00:00:10 *** atrickPowell is now known as PatrickPowell 00:05:38 Anyone familiar with writing bat files? 00:15:37 *** marlop has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00:50:23 *** ptmb (~ptmb@a85-139-195-133.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 00:51:01 *** kAlug (~kalug@187.74.1.15) has joined #portableapps 00:51:17 PatrickPowell: I am. 00:51:34 ok I have a bat file I made to copy some files 00:51:42 and then to copy them back 00:52:31 I would like to be able to change &HOMEPATH% to go to the drive the bat is being executed to any way of doing it? 00:53:08 http://pastebin.com/frHeRi49 is currentl working bat 00:56:50 Try %~d0%HOMEPATH% 00:57:10 Use an echo to try. 00:58:42 ok let me try 00:59:50 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Saindo) 01:01:23 treied that but appears to not lik eit as I get back error when try an export that says xcopy not a valid command 01:04:00 appears to be looking for xcopy on the usb device 01:04:27 paste? 01:05:12 http://pastebin.com/7R3Y8AQC 01:05:26 that is error 01:05:30 is that what you needed 01:06:13 maybe we should od it in im so not to clog the log? 01:07:47 I got an idea 01:10:41 nope not work 01:14:20 Put an "Echo %Path%" right before XCopy. Post the result. 01:16:32 ok one moment 01:17:41 brb something weird on computer need to reboot 01:17:50 *** PatrickPowell has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 01:20:51 *** PatrickPowell (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 01:20:51 PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620 01:20:59 sorry about that 01:21:06 kAlug: http://pastebin.com/Q49EU6dz 01:22:27 think I see issue 01:22:35 *** kAlug is now known as kAlug|Away 01:28:12 *** kAlug|Away is now known as kAlug 01:29:12 kAlug: got it sort of running now 01:29:24 let me play you got me on right track though 01:29:43 Good. I think you're changing the path instead of adding to it. 01:31:49 Had a computer glitch earlier apparently the environmental variable on system were messed up 01:31:57 had same issue with python 01:32:04 had to add to class path 01:32:51 Your computer has many glitches. 01:33:38 it did 01:33:46 Totally lost boot up 01:33:53 and lost appdata too 01:34:08 I made a stupid programming mistake and deleted both 01:34:13 Got to set up a vm 01:34:31 ok let me try this now on a different machine 01:39:26 got the copy to wok on export now trying import 01:41:27 ok this is odd 01:42:01 Clean machine xp ( other was 7) does not like the export seems it is not in classpath 01:48:00 *** amila (af9de3e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.175.157.227.226) has joined #portableapps 01:49:59 * amila [Hi pal i came here with love and thankx for the world who created portableapps] 01:50:58 well th ecreator would be johnthaller 01:51:51 * amila [His Fb Profile please] 01:54:17 I think he doesn't have one. 01:55:02 * amila [I`m a poor jobless 31 year old stil strugling for a job I`m running www.marketslk.com ,I want to write an article on portable apps on my website i would like some details that you would ]like to be included. 01:55:15 Portableapps has facebook page 01:56:24 http://www.facebook.com/portableapps 01:56:52 try that 01:57:16 * amila [could someone please tell me advantages and disadvantages of using portable and would they continue support for windows xp ] 01:57:40 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:58:35 amila: XP will be supported for some time still. A few years. 01:59:00 Windows will support XP until 2014 01:59:27 About the benefits of portable apps: http://portableapps.com/about/what_is_a_portable_app (somewhere on this page) 02:00:09 or http://portableapps.com/platform/features features of Portableapps 02:00:31 Or better yet www.portableapps.com look around all types of info 02:01:01 kAlug: like the export part n ow just need to figure the import part 02:01:26 PatrickPowell: 1. These are for the Platform, right? 2. I think our support for XP depends on the number of installs, not on the official support (we support W2k always we can). 02:01:52 * amila [I would like to propose you a OS in future .Thanx my dearest all Pals I`m very kindly invite you to my little www.marketslk.com] 02:02:46 kAlug: 1 the links are for PA 2 I agree about XP support 3 not all apps are cpmpatible with the 2k 02:03:41 * amila [I`m waiting for a very short review of my www.marketslk.com] 02:04:13 * amila [tell me something to improve] 02:05:01 amila: Firefox can't find the server at www.marketslk.com]. 02:06:06 me [would you try again please] 02:06:08 what is that s ite a craigslist knock off? 02:07:25 me [you mean it is bad] 02:07:49 *** PatrickPowell is now known as PatPowell|away 02:10:18 *** PatPowell|away has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 02:14:09 *** amila has quit (Quit: Page closed) 02:19:58 *** kAlug has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 02:52:35 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.") 02:52:45 *** AppGuy (~App@70-100-139-201.dsl2-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net) has joined #portableapps 02:52:45 *** AppGuy has quit (Changing host) 02:52:45 *** AppGuy (~App@unaffiliated/appguy) has joined #portableapps 02:55:32 *** AlleyKat has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:57:57 *** AppGuy has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:52:34 *** agdurrette is now known as agdurrette|AFK 04:03:30 *** Zarggg (~zarggg@24.229.141.85.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 05:22:41 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-63-240.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 05:52:55 *** vf2nsr (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 05:52:55 vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620 05:53:14 hola john 05:53:18 hi 05:53:34 might have a solution to the RNB issue 05:53:38 oh? 05:53:51 if I install fonts diretory then I an get it to do fontsan to that 05:53:57 but wouldlimit the fonts 05:54:23 Also got questions out to Jendrik as well as fontonfig people 05:54:25 having trouble typing? 05:54:39 yup sorry been sik past few days 05:54:49 Sorry 05:54:57 I concentrate better 05:55:01 see 05:55:20 Think fever finally breaking 05:56:02 any way If I can install default fonts into rnb directory then get the fontcofig to only scan those fonts should speed things up 05:56:18 what about just using the base set from a clean xp install? 05:56:36 Should work But I do not have one. 05:56:46 I do. But your last build crashes on launch on XP 05:57:04 Does his? 05:57:19 I can go back to his and just add my custom nsh files 05:57:25 his whose? 05:57:40 the original build not my rev 2 05:57:40 the current stable RNP release doesn't seem to have a cache folder. 05:58:18 correct os If I included on e that might make it work? 05:58:26 Um, huh? 05:58:30 In other words replace my default with a clean one 05:58:45 I can try. But I am otherwise occupied doing releases atm 05:58:57 OK I was trying in rev 2 by using a default config 05:59:17 I have one from Gords GIMp 05:59:20 right, but my Win7 doesn't like it, has to rebuild it. and takes 1:20 to start anyway. 05:59:27 OK nevermind 05:59:43 I will figure out a way 05:59:44 I had a clean XP one in GIMP when I used to build it. 06:00:24 Ok gimme a min to try it 06:00:34 you do what you are doing I figure something else out......Not like people are beating the door for a fix 06:02:12 it's a good app, so I'd like to get it more functional for our users 06:04:10 true that is why I thought of the idea to include preset fonts then I can get the fontscan to scan only them for the fontconfig 06:04:20 I got the idea from you and the platform 06:04:29 adding fonts to platform 06:05:47 *** vf2nsr has parted #portableapps (None) 06:07:29 *** vf2nsr (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 06:07:29 vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620 06:07:42 sorry close wrong window 06:08:09 vf2nsr: For some reason, neither of your last 2 attempts is auto-creating the cache file 06:08:32 really? 06:09:03 Nope. I'm using the RN files from stable in App\Rednotebook, running it once (so default is copied in), closing, then deleting the cache file and running again. No dice. 06:09:20 hmmmm 06:09:26 Got another idea. Give me a minute... 06:09:37 ok I working on one as well 06:11:16 I can config the fontconfig to scan a specific location instead of th ewindows computer so my idea was to include fonts, put them in a folder and scan that folder then It would be same not matter what computer was used 06:17:17 Ok, a clean XP cache file is discarded when run on my Win7 box and it has to rebuild it. 06:17:32 Same 1:20 initial run. 06:18:14 It wouldn't be that awful that it is rebuilt as needed (as GIMP's is) but RedNotebook just locks up when it is building it with zero user feedback. That's a bug that should be fixed within the app itself. 06:19:00 ok well let me work a bit on my idea 06:21:04 Wonder if having one for each OS would work. Would require some custom coding... 06:21:11 I try to explain that it is a bug but since it works ok locally I am not getting anywhere with it 06:21:38 It doesn't work ok locally. It depends on how many fonts you have installed. An initial local run on my machine takes just as long. 06:21:50 I know I can config the fontconfig to skip th ehost computer I read it somewhere 06:22:17 I understand I ran it natively in Python and load up time was fast 06:22:56 The author is not agreeing that the issue is his he blames it on the way we made it portable 06:23:33 I can send him a capture of it hanging for 1+ minute on initial run on my Win7 box. I don't understand why he won't accept that it's a bug in the base app. 06:23:52 Just have feedback while fontconfig is running like GIMP does. GIMP takes a while on initial run on my box, too. 06:24:06 fontconfig is insanely slow in Windows if you have a good number of fonts 06:24:37 That's why VLC doesn't do it anymore. EVERYONE hated it. 06:25:33 Well I also have support ticket out with fontconfig people as well 06:25:48 I trying everyway to resolve this 06:51:28 *** techfreak244 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06:53:35 what about 2 default cahcew file a clean xp one and a clean 7 one? 07:04:01 JohnTHaller: thanks for trying, I guess I go back to drawing board on this one 07:04:29 *** vf2nsr is now known as vf2nsr|away 07:07:23 ok vf2nsr|away thanks for working on it still 07:08:28 JohnTHaller: Unfortunately I hate to be told something can not be done...a little obssesive there has to be a way short of re-writing the whole program 07:10:02 Yeah 07:34:33 *** Muhis91 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:38:59 *** vf2nsr|away is now known as vf2nsr 07:40:21 X:\PortableApps\RednotebookPortable\App\RedNotebook\etc\fonts\fonts how can I call this location in Windows terms ie ./,/RednotebookPortable\App\RedNotebook\etc\fonts\fonts is that correct? 07:41:11 what is the originating directory you want to reference it from? 07:42:39 it would depend on where RNBP was loaded 07:43:08 I would say the usb drive but if someone loads it in an unusual place? 07:43:16 No, I mean inside RNBP. What directory. RNP\App\RN? 07:43:52 RNBP\App\Rednotebook\etc\fonts\fonts 07:44:21 that is what I need to point it to 07:44:22 No. That is the directory we are going TO. Where are we going FROM. The current ACTIVE directory 07:44:52 hmmm 07:44:59 one sec 07:45:40 that is the location I am trying to tell FOntconfig to look for fonts in 07:45:57 previously it is windowsdir/fonts 07:46:23 I know that. But relative paths are relative FROM one place TO another on the same drive. So I need the ACTIVE path you are starting from. 07:46:25 so I need to point it to where I want it to look 07:46:53 it would be the location of RNBP install 07:46:54 I'm going to guess it's relative from RedNotebookPortable\App\RedNotebook 07:47:07 Since that would be where your rednotebook.exe is. 07:47:08 I am not making myself understood am I? 07:47:19 ok? 07:47:21 I don't think you understand what a relative path is. 07:47:51 relative path=where the file is located calling the file? 07:48:06 It's relative FROM something TO something. 07:48:21 FROM means the current working directory. 07:48:34 ok 07:48:41 So, I'm guessing that is RedNotebookPortable\App\RedNotebook 07:48:49 Since that is where your app EXE is. 07:49:02 And I don't recall you setting another working directory in the config 07:49:48 So, to get from RedNotebookPortable\App\RedNotebook to RedNotebookPortable\App\RedNotebook\etc\fonts\fonts the relative path would just be etc\fonts\fonts 07:50:06 ok 07:50:09 let me try 07:50:20 I'm off. Way past my bedtime. Gnight all 07:51:32 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 07:52:31 oh well that not work Guess time to learn GTK+ 08:40:11 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 08:41:52 *** vf2nsr (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 08:41:53 ... 08:42:25 *** vf2nsr has quit (Client Quit) 09:57:48 *** AlleyKat (~Miranda@0x573a5b86.ronnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) has joined #portableapps 11:10:37 *** vf2nsr (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 11:10:37 ... 11:11:32 .tell johnthaller I tried http://portableapps.com/node/31239#comment-191381 11:11:32 vf2nsr: I'll pass that on when johnthaller is around. 11:11:50 ty gizmobot 11:11:50 You're Welcome vf2nsr 11:13:07 *** vf2nsr has parted #portableapps (None) 11:50:55 *** TPFC-SYSTEM (~system@gateway/tor-sasl/tpfc-system) has joined #portableapps 12:34:38 *** jordanmkasla2009 (~androirc@CPE002401cef38a-CM000a735c3fa3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #portableapps 12:44:16 *** jordanmkasla2009 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 13:13:42 *** vf2nsr (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 13:13:42 vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620 13:20:38 *** jordanmkasla2009 (~androirc@CPE002401cef38a-CM000a735c3fa3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #portableapps 13:38:21 *** jordanmkasla2009 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14:05:14 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 14:13:23 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 14:16:43 *** PatrickPowell (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 14:16:44 PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620 14:38:22 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 14:50:59 *** agdurrette|AFK is now known as agdurrette 15:01:07 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 15:51:52 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 15:57:22 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/why) has joined #portableapps 16:15:00 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: print "This is python, go learn it :P") 16:25:53 *** ronjn (~ronjn@p5B13FAEF.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 16:27:16 *** ronjn___ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16:47:48 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 16:57:15 *** PatrickPowell has parted #portableapps (None) 17:23:32 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit () 17:30:54 *** PatrickPowell (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 17:30:54 PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620 17:32:41 *** PatrickPowell has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:18:39 *** PatrickPowell (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 19:18:39 PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620 19:55:05 *** agdurrette is now known as agdurrette|AFK 19:58:35 *** PatrickPowell is now known as PatPowell|away 20:17:57 *** agdurrette|AFK is now known as agdurrette 20:40:07 *** andreasma (~andi@p5B07E167.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 20:44:41 *** PatPowell|away has parted #portableapps (None) 20:51:40 *** andreasma has quit (Quit: Verlassend) 20:55:41 *** agdurrette is now known as agdurrette|AFK 21:03:55 *** PatrickPowell (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 21:03:55 PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620 21:30:46 *** andreasma (~andi@p5B07E167.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 21:50:07 *** kronophskiy (~kronophsk@wbs-41-208-196-244.wbs.co.za) has joined #portableapps 21:50:17 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 21:57:35 *** PatrickPowell has parted #portableapps (None) 22:05:41 *** kronophskiy has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22:23:26 *** agdurrette|AFK is now known as agdurrette 22:25:52 *** Bensawsome has quit (Read error: No route to host) 22:26:41 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-63-240.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 22:30:05 *** Guest21932 (~Bensawsom@c-71-235-5-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:42:10 *** andreasma has quit (Quit: Verlassend) 22:48:35 *** pa_8146 (18688332@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.104.131.50) has joined #portableapps 22:48:49 hello? 22:48:53 hi 22:49:21 I had a few questions and was wondering if someone might be able to answer them? or help me with them? 22:49:50 what do you need help with? 22:49:58 How does portable apps affect the host system if at all? 22:50:21 if nothing is installed on the host, what does the OS do for dependancies? 22:50:41 How does it work with the registry in Windows? 22:50:46 stuff along those lines 22:50:50 Everything you run affects a host PC. There will always be traces (like prefetch files) that you can't remove unless you have admin rights. And, of course, everything you do online is visible to a network admin. Or, if encrypted, they know you're doing something encrypted. 22:52:18 As for registry things, we avoid it whenever possible. For the occasional app that needs to store its settings in the registry, we move the portable app's settings into the registry on launch and back to the portable drive on exit. 22:52:28 interesting 22:52:33 If there is a local copy of the same app, we backup its settings in the registry while the portable one is running. 22:53:25 my questioning comes because I work at a school and our students are using your product to circumvent our security on our CPU's 22:54:11 *** PatrickPowell (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 22:54:11 PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620 22:54:41 Our products are not designed to circumvent any security measures in place. They stay within the confines of the permissions a given user has. Now, if you mean they are breaking school policy (example: ' 22:54:49 don't run apps'), that's another matter 22:55:32 what they're doing is running games on the portable apps that they cannot install on the system as they're not administrators on their computers here at school (we own hardware) 22:55:57 but they're able to do so with portable apps as there's no local installation 22:56:23 Right, that means they are violating a policy ('don't do this'), not a security measure you have in place on the machines. 22:56:47 Incidentally, they'd be able to install bad-behaving apps like Google Chrome and Dropbox, too. (they install to the user profile, not to Program Files). 22:58:18 I get that, but in essence your product allows them to circumvent the security measures in place as there's nothing to install with your product. so they're able to access whatever games they have on their portabelapp account 22:58:43 ugh, just more for us to work on here and try to suppress as Administration wants. 22:58:49 you could always lock down the usb ports 22:59:05 doesn't your product also run in the cloud? 22:59:21 Your security measure is designed not to allow installations. From a technical perspective, your users are not installing software. They are running it. If you don't want them running games, you'd need to update your written policy to match that for starters. 22:59:29 Not hard to block sites internally in a nat router 22:59:34 if I had it my way they'd own their hardware and be responsible for it as well 22:59:39 They can run it from a cloud drive liek DropBox. 22:59:57 Or if they mount a WebDAV drive to a drive letter (though that'd be slow). 23:01:04 If any user comes into our chat room or forum asking about getting around school/work written policies, they are always told (in no uncertain terms): don't do that. 23:01:32 Most schools/employers then have specific consequences for breeches of those policies. 23:02:06 You can also filter down to what apps are allowed to be run or where they can run from. There are software applications designed to filter at that level. So you can cover the technical bases as well as the beaurocratic ones. 23:03:31 I'm not as familiar with those solutions, though. Unfortunately, I need to head out. I am late for a meeting. 23:04:27 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 23:05:00 you xould also set up things that would not allow running of exe files from usb drives 23:06:46 Any computer wehther it be personal, networked, school or other is only as secure as the person or persons maintianing them 23:07:11 *** PatrickPowell has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:10:22 *** techfreak244 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23:26:40 *** agdurrette is now known as agdurrette|AFK 23:26:46 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 23:30:04 *** agdurrette|AFK is now known as agdurrette 23:42:13 *** techfreak244 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23:55:54 pa_8146, if you want to do a perfect lockdown, you will need a lot of security measures to enforce it