00:01:19 <PatrickPowell> Wow John reading your post in forum on this  "up to 2000tb" I WANT one of them drives lol
00:03:15 <JohnTHaller> heh
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10:28:31 <pa_1259> Hi
10:28:49 <pa_1259> I am wondering if a new update for T-bird will include support for MailTweakz
10:29:18 <pa_1259> I'm still using 3.1 because the newer ones can't recognize MailTweakz as an addon for Thunderbird...
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16:14:01 <PatrickPowell> JohnTHaller: Got you beat just answered a user on the RNB answer wiki  he said took 5 min on first launch lol
16:14:30 <JohnTHaller> nice
16:15:03 <PatrickPowell> settled him down though  he thought it was crashed
16:15:14 <PatrickPowell> Still doin ginvestigation on it
16:16:03 <PatrickPowell> sorry about typo    me and keys not cooperating today
16:16:31 <JohnTHaller> no worries
16:17:11 <PatrickPowell> that and I am installing windows 8 consumer preview in a virtual drive
16:20:46 <PatrickPowell> did you happen to see the bug I posted on Peazip  was not sure how to post it
16:21:41 <JohnTHaller> can't reproduce it at all here.  can you or was it a one time thing?
16:22:05 <PatrickPowell> has happened 4 times to day that I used it
16:22:15 <PatrickPowell> Never actually needed it till today
16:22:29 <PatrickPowell> then thought woukd try it  and that is what I got
16:22:32 <PatrickPowell> each time
16:22:39 <PatrickPowell> Usually use 7Zip
16:22:58 <JohnTHaller> can you try using the standard peazip zip package and see if it happens?
16:23:27 <PatrickPowell> the local install?
16:24:21 <JohnTHaller> their standard zip portable package
16:24:36 <PatrickPowell> ok will download it momentarily
16:24:48 <PatrickPowell> that is different that the PA one?
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16:26:15 <JohnTHaller> yeah, they have their own portable version.  not in PA.c format.  seperate packages and EXEs for 32 and 64 bit.
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16:26:31 <PatrickPowell> ok will go get it and see
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16:27:20 <PatrickPowell> you want ne to ge the 32bit or 64 bit?
16:28:09 <JohnTHaller> whatever one is appropriate for your system
16:28:39 <PatrickPowell> ok
16:31:18 <PatrickPowell> 64 bit same results  tried 32 bit as well same result
16:31:28 <PatrickPowell> Maybe just hold out and see if any other reports?
16:32:04 <PatrickPowell> both give me same error
16:32:47 <JohnTHaller> How are you producing the error.  Just running and closing?  What OS?
16:33:11 <PatrickPowell> yes opening then closing
16:33:18 <PatrickPowell> win 7 64 bit
16:33:33 <PatrickPowell> just tried forcing uac admin and same error
16:34:21 <JohnTHaller> any antivirus running?  can you scan the app, disable A/V and run it again
16:34:42 <PatrickPowell> ok sure thing
16:35:00 <PatrickPowell> AV is Vipre Internet Security  will disable for min ute
16:35:08 <PatrickPowell> Nothing personal but brb
16:35:21 <PatrickPowell> Cause not disabling while online
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16:38:27 <PatrickPowell> same results deopped firewall and av
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16:39:18 <PatrickPowell> this time I even went and viewed a zip folder then went to exit it
16:39:49 <JohnTHaller> it's either a bug in the base app or something really odd about your PC then.  it works fine for me on Win7 x64
16:40:46 <PatrickPowell> hmm ok going to try the 4.3 for giggles
16:42:44 <PatrickPowell> Guess it is me for whatever reason
16:42:52 <PatrickPowell> 4.3     not working either
16:43:14 <PatrickPowell> Odd this is only app my sytem not liking
16:43:14 <JohnTHaller> I'd say google the error more and report it to the main dev.  It's not something we can fix on our end.
16:43:24 <PatrickPowell> np
16:43:44 <PatrickPowell> just wanted to make you all aware  personally I prefer 7zip anyway
16:44:57 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: Any word on Geany?  I have another dev that's already built a test package of 0.21 based on yours if you'd like to move on that.
16:47:08 <PatrickPowell> definitely must be system just installed locally with same error
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16:52:53 <PatrickPowell> TPFC-SYSTEM:  Good  not sure what time so will just leave it as good lol
16:53:49 * TPFC-SYSTEM is just confused now...
16:54:36 <PatrickPowell> well the other day I said good morning and was 12 hours off your time
16:54:48 <PatrickPowell> so figure it is almost midnight for you?
16:54:56 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPowell: no, it's 12pm here now
16:55:00 <Gizmokid2005> we're both on ET
16:55:03 <Gizmokid2005> GMT-5
16:55:17 <Gizmokid2005> ohh...whopps
16:55:20 <Gizmokid2005> ignore me...lol
16:55:22 <PatrickPowell> I meant TPFC-SYSTEM
16:55:24 <PatrickPowell> lol
16:55:46 <TPFC-SYSTEM> PatrickPowell: "Good" by itself doesn't even look like a greeting. :D
16:55:56 <PatrickPowell> ok Hi
16:56:11 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hi then.
16:56:23 <PatrickPowell> :)
16:58:16 <JohnTHaller> Good (insert period of day)!
16:59:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Likewise!
17:00:09 <PatrickPowell> That is as bad as what I do in th eother chat I work on  I say Hi {insert  your name here}
17:01:32 <PatrickPowell> Me thiks a work around on RNB is to install fonts into the program then only have it cahce those fonts....just need to figure out how to do  that
17:16:18 <PatrickPowell> bbl all got some chores to get done
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17:40:58 <TPFC-SYSTEM> JohnTHaller: I've answered to your post at TPFC.
17:44:59 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: go for it
17:45:08 <OliverK> i don't seem to be getting it done now do I?
17:45:21 <OliverK> i ran into a problem making the installer work like it should
17:47:41 <JohnTHaller> what problem did you run into?  is it an installer bug?
17:47:53 <OliverK> installer, I updated the main package just fine
17:48:04 <OliverK> actually, I have the latest uploaded on github
17:48:09 <OliverK> lemme check . . .
17:49:42 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: github repo: https://github.com/oliverkrystal/GeanyPortable
17:50:19 <OliverK> who it is?  If we can I think it'd be neat if he could for the repo, then I can just backport the patches even if he releases his package
17:50:29 <OliverK> wow, 4 months ago - I freaking suck
17:51:01 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's why I was bugging you about it.  It was the only outdated app for a while and it's... a bit... outdated.
17:51:26 <OliverK> far enough - I swapped over to a thrid shift job and I tend to just sleep my weekends away
17:52:05 <OliverK> so, the issue is this: https://github.com/oliverkrystal/GeanyPortable/blob/master/Other/Source/PortableApps.comInstallerCustom.nsh
17:52:30 <OliverK> I need(?) it to be able to upgrade from 0.19 to 0.21
17:53:10 <OliverK> I switched over to just using the distributed GTK, but then I had to start moving the gtkrc back and forth which was fine
17:53:17 <OliverK> and the code worked in 0.20
17:53:39 <OliverK> but now it is not working - so it either never worked or ???
17:55:31 <OliverK> and I had Gizmokid2005 but he couldn't reproduce the issue
17:55:33 <JohnTHaller> So what is/isn't working.  DId you try and put some Message boxes in there?
17:55:38 <OliverK> of course
17:55:58 <OliverK> lemme check logs for the channel
17:56:03 <OliverK> because I don't remember
17:56:15 <OliverK> also of note:
17:56:42 <OliverK> Sysinfo for 'Serenity': Linux 2.6.42.7-1.fc15.i686 running KDE Development Platform 4.6.5 (4.6.5), CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 3.06GHz at 3066 MHz (6131 bogomips), HD: 9/36GB, RAM: 1896/2013MB, 160 proc's, 2.38h up
17:56:53 <OliverK> I'm now on linux :/
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18:06:19 <JohnTHaller> TPFC-SYSTEM: I replied to your post.
18:12:06 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: I'll take a look at it a bit later in the day
18:16:14 <OliverK> http://pastebin.com/z2C8JvdX
18:16:20 <OliverK> that's the issue I was having
18:16:40 <OliverK> just shoot me an email please, or file an issue on github I guess
18:17:08 <OliverK> i need more static-y modes of communication then IRC provides
18:17:08 <JohnTHaller> Hang on a sec
18:17:27 <OliverK> I also still have a windows 7 box - I just only use it when I need windows
18:17:29 <JohnTHaller> Why not just include GTK within Geany itself and not worry about wiping all of App on upgrade?
18:17:52 <OliverK> I do
18:18:07 <OliverK> you have the post loaded?  its set to expire
18:18:13 <JohnTHaller> I do
18:18:21 <OliverK> k
18:18:36 <JohnTHaller> Or are you moving the user's GTK settings with the installer?
18:18:39 <OliverK> yes
18:19:17 <OliverK> well - only if its 0.19 or before
18:19:25 <JohnTHaller> Ah.  Far better would be to move those right into Data and move them back n forth with the launcher.  We do that with a couple apps now.
18:19:29 <OliverK> since Geany Portable 0.19 I had GTK split out
18:19:56 <OliverK> but then I'm puuting upgrade into the launcher - not installer
18:20:22 <JohnTHaller> No no.  Have the launcher move em back n forth.  Have the installer just move the old ones in 0.19's App directory to the right place in Data.
18:20:47 <OliverK> which is what it did in 0.20 but I can't get it to behave like so in 0.21
18:20:47 <JohnTHaller> As for themes, everybody is likely on 0.20 already, so no worries upgrading from 0.19 anymore.  Just preserve them from 0.20 onward.
18:21:16 <JohnTHaller> Realistically, I wouldn't worry about upgrades from 0.19 at all anymore.
18:21:40 <OliverK> I was thinking about that - maybe just putting in a message box for users upgrading for 0.19 t0 0.21 warning them that they may lose themes
18:21:51 <OliverK> but then I guess that would need to be translated
18:21:55 <OliverK> :/
18:22:04 <JohnTHaller> We really only need to worry about getting gtkrc into Data (and moved appropriately by the launcher) and then preserving the themes directory going forward (just in installer.ini)
18:22:24 <OliverK> wat
18:22:25 <JohnTHaller> So few people use custom themes.  And of those, likely 0 are on 0.19 now.
18:22:28 <OliverK> you lost me
18:22:56 <JohnTHaller> gtkrc, the gtk settings file.  we need to keep that in Data.  and have the launcher move it back and forth,
18:23:18 <JohnTHaller> themes can stay in App just fine, and we just preserve that directory on upgrades with an installer.ini directive.
18:24:06 <JohnTHaller> [DirectoriesToPreserve] PreserveDirectory1=App\GTK\share\themes or wherever it lives
18:24:10 <OliverK> k
18:24:49 <JohnTHaller> We don't worry about moving things like gtk themes into Data or another location.  We treat them as plugins, essentially.  A user can go back and get them if they need to on a rebuild where they only backed up their data.
18:25:55 <OliverK> so, basically, dump all the upgrade code that was present for going from 0.19 to 0.20
18:26:08 <JohnTHaller> all they
18:26:10 <JohnTHaller> yeah
18:26:25 <OliverK> as all users should be on 0.20 at this point, so its not worth trying to hop it over
18:26:34 <OliverK> k
18:26:43 <JohnTHaller> I think you're good on that now.  0.20 was released over a year ago now
18:26:52 <OliverK> i'm going to have to work on it tomorrow then as I need to head to bed
18:27:00 <JohnTHaller> no problem.  get some sleep man
18:27:10 <OliverK> who's the other dev?  It honestly may be worth haivng him do a upkeep release
18:27:22 <OliverK> and then I can work on 0.22 or something
18:28:00 <OliverK> since I really don't feel like guaranteeing that I will be able to work on it tomorrow - because I honestly don't know
18:28:10 <JohnTHaller> I can't remember offhand.  One of our regulars.  Maybe vf2nsr.  He wasn't fully confident in it as he'd just updated the Geany bits and hadn't touched the launcher or installer code.
18:28:38 <OliverK> alright, I'll try to work on it tomorrow or get it updated this weekend
18:28:50 <OliverK> if he's not confident . . . eh
18:29:02 <OliverK> my code is goofy :D
18:29:08 <JohnTHaller> he didn't know everything your launcher did since it's all custom
18:29:15 <JohnTHaller> btw is your launcher unicode yet?
18:29:43 <OliverK> should be
18:30:05 <OliverK> is there anything different from switching over to the unicode version of the installer?
18:30:11 <OliverK> er, compiler
18:30:59 <JohnTHaller> any system calls need to be switched from A to U or just left off (since it works for either)
18:31:23 * OliverK checks his repo
18:31:56 <JohnTHaller> you can ditch the gtklegacy stuff, too
18:32:06 <OliverK> System::Call 'Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariableA(t, t) i("PATH", "$0").r0'
18:32:07 <OliverK> System::Call 'Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariableA(t, t) i("GTK_BASEPATH", "$GTKDirectory").r0
18:32:12 <OliverK> do you have a github?
18:32:45 * OliverK fixes those calls
18:32:54 <JohnTHaller> It compiled with NSISu Portable.  And Geany comes up and seems working fine.
18:32:59 <OliverK> I can just leave off the letter?
18:33:09 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's really the only difference in those calls.
18:33:47 <JohnTHaller> I just remove it.  I do convert the .nsi to UTF8 format and often rename to GeanyPortableU.nsi just so I know at a glance it is Unicode.
18:34:15 <OliverK> should be UTF8 format
18:34:19 <OliverK> file bugs man :D
18:42:18 <JohnTHaller> off to lunch, back in a bit
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20:27:24 <pa_1045> "help!"
20:27:38 <JohnTHaller|away> how can we help you pa_1045
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20:29:16 <pa_1045> do you know any portable office application  which can be used on htc incredible running android?
20:29:42 <JohnTHaller> we do portable software... as in Windows software that runs on Windows PCs but can be moved around.  We don't do mobile apps (for phones).
20:30:08 <pa_1045> ok thanks
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20:45:21 <Simeon> hi all
20:45:37 <Simeon> hi John, Oliver, Gizmo
20:46:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hi Simeon
20:46:21 <Simeon> hi
20:47:44 <Simeon> @John: Scorched 3D will be done weekendish.
20:53:47 <JohnTHaller> hola. ok
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21:18:21 <PatrickPowell> JohnTHaller: Did you get my message when you were away?
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21:28:41 <JohnTHaller> PatPowell|away: yes, thanks
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21:39:24 <Simeon> gninght guys.
21:39:58 <JohnTHaller> gnight man
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21:49:45 <kAlug> Hi JohnTHaller; got my email?
22:00:14 <JohnTHaller> hi kAlug, yeah.  just been busy dissambling a couch and taking it down 4 flights of stairs
22:01:48 <JohnTHaller> PM ok?
22:01:54 <kAlug> always
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22:24:50 <kAlug> hi PatrickPowell
22:25:02 <PatrickPowell> Hi ya kAlug
22:25:36 <PatrickPowell> JohnTHaller: Happen to see the response about Peazip?
22:26:26 <JohnTHaller> makes sense.  we've seen it before.  one of our launchers even corrects for it
22:26:43 <JohnTHaller> you talk to the dev directly at all?
22:28:00 <PatrickPowell> nope
22:28:07 <PatrickPowell> Had not had a chance to
22:28:32 <PatrickPowell> but isn't that he who responded?
22:28:38 <PatrickPowell> according to tag line
22:28:51 <JohnTHaller> yeah.  just wondered if you had emailed him.  he reads our forums pretty regularly
22:29:38 <PatrickPowell> nope been busy  playing Win8
22:30:08 <PatrickPowell> thank goodness I know how to shut down the VM cause still trying to figure how to shut down 8 lol
22:39:18 <PatrickPowell> bbl meeting to go to
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22:49:07 <JohnTHaller> brb new couch here
23:11:43 <JohnTHaller> back
23:12:18 <JohnTHaller> Proud owner of a (relatively cheap) new couch.  Old one broke, literally, after 18 years.