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The result is an installation file which I can pass on to my students for easy installation. 17:20:10 Are there already some information how to do this? 17:20:12 We don't support that at the moment for licensing reasons (most freeware and trademarked open source app doesn't allow for it). 17:20:38 We are working on another way that will allow you to pass along a set of apps to other users, though. 17:21:33 I'm looking forward to it. 17:22:20 Until then, you can let you students know exactly how to get the apps they need within the PA.c Platform (ticking boxes is relatively easy) 17:26:44 It's easy, you're right but I see some organizational problems. If the students can't do it in class it is not so likely that they'll do it at home. And the Installation of app by app needs attention the students should pay to the lesson. 17:29:02 When will the way you mentioned above be available? (A rough guess is enough for me.) 17:29:34 Within the next month, I'd wager. It's partially dependent on file associations which is coming in 12.0. 12.0 Beta 1 should launcher later this week, beginning of next. 17:29:46 Don't hold me to the time estimate, though. Things change a lot. 17:31:55 I don't as I know how projects can develope. 17:32:28 I was thinking about quaters instead of ?one? month. 17:33:11 Thank you very much for your answers. You helped me a lot! 17:33:45 CU! 17:36:10 Sure thing. Have a good one! 17:36:41 Thanks, U2. Bye! 17:36:49 *** pa_3721 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 17:41:02 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@mctnnbsa51w-156034013141.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nb.bellaliant.net) has joined #portableapps 17:41:02 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 17:41:02 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 17:41:03 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 17:41:09 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 18:04:25 *** AlleyKat (~Miranda@0x573a587c.ronnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) has joined #portableapps 18:08:47 happy Canadian thanksgiving everyone 18:09:35 Maple syrup for all :) 18:09:57 lol 18:10:14 *** rainroom69 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:10:17 can you elaborate on file associations in 12.0? 18:10:22 well more like Turkey than Maple Syrup 18:10:30 Elaborate how? What did you want to know? 18:11:26 i assume you are meaning if portableapps launcher is running and you double click a file, it will open it with a default app in portableapps as opposed to the system default application? 18:13:07 that would actually be kinda cool. intercept the open command and let you choose if you want to open it with a portable app or system app 18:13:14 It's part of the platform, and enabled by default. If you double-click on a DOC and have LibreOffice Portable installed, for example, the first time you try to open one, it will ask you. It will ask if you want to use LibreOffice Portable, choose another portable app, or let the local Windows OS handle it with its default. And it will let you tick a box to remember the choice for next time. 18:13:45 wow. that is coming in 12.0? 18:13:57 man. that will be sweet! 18:14:15 All apps in PortableApps.com Format are configured with their supported file types. Proper icons for said file types plus defaults within the platform for things like docs, spreadsheets, MP3s, etc. 18:14:19 Yes, that's coming in 12.0 18:14:54 nice. i'm looking forward to that. 18:15:18 The platform can read all the apps installed and know which file types it can support. In 12.0, we'll be debuting all of that. In 13.0, we'll be adding in the ability for the App Directory to understand them, too. That way you can right-click on any filetype (whether you have an app or not) and have the platform help you find something to open it. 18:15:19 will that be only available for files located in the documents folder or system wide? 18:15:28 System-wide. 18:16:22 wow. that is awesome. i have a bunch of pdf files, docs, avi, mp3, etc that would be nice to have it default to the portable app. i'm really excited about that 18:17:07 It works in explorer windows, other apps, etc. And with both file types and protocols (torrent, http, mailto, etc) 18:17:45 Yeah, a lot of folks are. Enough that it makes sense for it to be built in instead of using PortableFileAssociator or Cafe separately anymore. We did the same thing with the updater. Originally, it was an add-on. 18:18:28 If you're curious how the apps advertise it to the platform, it's part of the appinfo.ini's [Associations] and [FileTypeIcons] section (toward the end of the appinfo.ini section): http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format#appinfo 18:18:34 oh yeah. i'm really liking that as well 18:19:58 We debuted the updater in 2008 and added it to the platform in 2010. File associations debuted sometime in 2008 with the add-ons. Realistically, we should have added them to the platform earlier, but we didn't realize there was as much interest as there has been. So, we're going to add them now and add them right. 18:20:47 cool 18:21:08 i actually just switched to portableapps.com platform in the last month or so. i was using another launcher called lupo pen suite but i was getting sick of manually updating all the programs i had (which were a lot) 18:21:47 so i weeded out a ton of programs i never really used ever and now i have a basic set that you have out there that i use most often 18:22:05 Yeah, Lupo is mostly just ASuite with a bunch of our apps added in. We don't support them as they don't upgrade properly in his format. He strips them out of the PA.c Installer, so the upgrade code never gets used. Really poorly thought-out. I think he's violating Mozilla's trademarks as well. 18:22:24 doh 18:22:52 yeah. it was just getting to be a pain to maintain what i had. now, just a couple clicks and i know i'm running latest versions 18:23:23 Yeah, we try and keep it as easy as possible. Incremental updates is helping make it faster for users, too. 18:24:26 simple is good. lupo you could customize a ton of stuff too. now i don't waste so much time trying to tweak every little detail which really didn't matter in the end anyway 18:25:15 The discontinued ASuite launcher is pretty customizable. But was abandoned years ago. The last things added were the graphical view which is also based on PortableApps.com, right down to the pixel. 18:25:51 ha 18:26:32 sounds like you have a little anymosity towards them. i probably would be a little peeved too if people were ripping off my work 18:26:57 Lupo was originally using a ton of our apps and disabling the splash screens so people wouldn't know they were ours. 18:27:16 that sucks. i had no idea 18:27:46 Most folks don't. That said, we've been ripped off worse by others than him. It happens. Especially with 'free' software. 18:28:35 i actually would get most of my apps from portablefreeware.com. i liked the rss feed (which you have as well) so i knew when to manually update 18:28:49 i just used their "lite" version which was only the launcher and that was all 18:29:22 rss is nice. when i see an app get updated in the rss feed, i know to run the app updater 18:29:22 Ah yeah. He has a rudimentary updater, but it doesn't properly upgrade our apps, so things break. 18:29:46 True. You can also run the app store in New or Recently Updater mode whenever you want, too. 18:30:00 We'll likely be adding in a 'check for updates every X time' this month, too 18:30:34 oh man. that would be nice. an option to run background updates when portableapps runs 18:30:49 completely automatic and i wouldn't even have to worry about it 18:31:26 We're working on that, too. At first, it'll be like the update check on launch. Silent unless you have updates, then it lets you know. 18:31:57 ok. yeah. that would be great too. maybe better than completely automated 18:32:14 Some people want it one way, some the other. So we'll likely do both. 18:32:23 sweet! 18:33:03 the only "manual" updating right now is for spybot and clam antivirus to update virus defintions. would be nice to somehow automate those definition updates somehow 18:34:06 Working on that, too. At least for ClamWin. I added configuration bits into the 0.97.6 release we just posted allowing the freshclam commandline updater to work automatically in the portable config whether or not ClamWin Portable is running. The next step is adding in a quick checker for that as well. 18:34:42 i just got that update... autoupdate is in there? 18:34:55 are there instructions somewhere for activating that? 18:35:22 oh. working on it. so it isn't completely implemented 18:35:40 The first piece of it. You can run freshclam.exe within the App\ClamWin directory and it'll automatically update the virus definitions for you now. I added configuration for that. The next piece is allowing something to trigger that on a regular basis, either within the platform or a platform add-on that autoruns. 18:37:06 *** george2 has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 18:37:31 *** george2 (~42@wl-dhcp178-214.Mines.EDU) has joined #portableapps 18:37:55 imma look for that now 18:38:43 I'm adding in a couple things to the platform so we can have apps that work in special ways when autorun. Stuff like updating ClamWin without needing to do anything special. 18:40:19 speaking of autorun, i tried getting start.exe to show up in the autoplay menu but windows 7 doesn't allow the action/open commands in the autorun.inf file. 18:40:45 at least i couldn't get it to show up in the list of options. maybe my machine messed up or something 18:40:55 No OSes do anymore. By design due to malware. 18:41:13 right. that's what i found out 18:41:37 We're gonna re-release a little utility that allows you to have it auto-run on your PC when you plug it in soon. 18:42:08 you thinkin of everything 18:42:28 you found a way to bypass the OS security for autoplay? 18:42:39 Here's the old test version for the old platform: http://portableapps.com/node/13770 18:43:20 Nope, special utility you install locally that lets the PA.c Platform be able to auto-start on drive insertion. Uses WIndows APIs to monitor drive insertions so uses almost no resources while waiting. 18:43:37 That old one looks for StartPortableApps.exe in the drive root (which we used to use) 18:43:59 oh. nice. i think the exe on mine is just start.exe 18:44:30 i did find another program that was simpler but it was more generic. called usb detect and launch 18:45:02 had its own basic scripting to run a command when it detects a particular storage device 18:45:09 similiar* not simpler 18:45:19 Right, the big holdback for us is keeping it really simple but at the same time ensuring it can't be used by malware later. IE, ensure it gets used by legit PA.c platform only 18:45:34 right 18:45:58 i mainly used usb detect and launch to run freefilesync program to do backups of my thumbdrive 18:46:15 but i don't need that anymore b/c portableapps has the built in backup utility that i use 18:46:21 Yeah. Lots of folks do. We need to add in automated backups to the platform at some point 18:46:21 so much nicer and much simpler 18:46:37 yes^^ 18:46:37 At least prompt folks to do it on a regular basis to start. 18:46:45 yep. just about to say that 18:46:53 give the user and option if they'd like to backup 18:46:58 That'll be step 1. Step 2 is letting users config it to automatically backup on their home PC on a set schedule. 18:47:31 does the backup utility ignore open files? 18:47:50 i've only run it when only the launcher menu was open and no other apps. on a schedule, other apps may be open 18:47:52 Yes, it just backs everything up using 7-Zip. It's really simple by design. 18:48:13 On a schedule, we may have to think of some other options. 18:48:28 so it'll backup open applications as well. that's nice 18:48:31 right 18:48:41 Possibly. Need to come up with the right balance of options. 18:48:58 yeah 18:49:00 My current next steps are the app and icons cache and the site upgrade so we can better service non-English folks. 18:49:20 i gotcha 18:49:43 speaking of backups, that reminds me when i get home, i should probably do one 18:49:59 Good. Always back up! 18:51:05 11.2 will likely drop later this week. 18:51:42 cool! 18:52:08 how can i add freshclam to the menu? is there a way i can do that 18:52:14 The app cache will help a lot with startup speed and refresh speed on app install/update 18:52:32 Not at the moment. I'm working on some test stuff to add it well so it can run manually or in an automated fashion. 18:52:55 Oh, still gotta pick a couple new apps for this week, too 18:53:55 you add a couple new apps each week? 18:54:16 At least 1. New apps every week: http://portableapps.com/news/new 18:54:31 Easily accessible in the platform by viewing New Releases in the app directory. 18:55:26 oh yeah. i saw that chm viewer come into my rss feed. 18:55:33 and the rbtray 18:57:51 almost done working on some new patches for PChat to improve some functionality and stability there John 18:58:01 coolcoolcool 18:58:25 looking in spybot directory, it looks like it has an updater exe as well (hint hint) :) 18:59:24 one of the things I'm trying to fix is my installer script for the desktop installer to remove all the necessary files and for looking at existing processes before updating etc 18:59:45 I think that update.exe is for updating the app as it has admin rights configured on for it. 19:00:16 there is an sdupdate.exe which does the definitions i believe 19:01:03 sd = spybot definitions most likely 19:02:37 You can run SpybotPortable.exe feeding it /autoupdate and /autoclose as options. 19:03:05 But it will show its GUI. No way to avoid that easily. 19:03:34 hmm 19:03:45 it not a big deal 19:05:07 http://www.safer-networking.org/faq/are-there-any-command-line-parameters-that-can-be-used-with-spybot-sd/ 19:08:26 there not a way though to add a shortcut with command line parameters in the menu. would have to wait until that functionality is added. or find an addon that will do it 19:08:47 Correct. That's coming, too 19:09:38 the portable exe that launches the app, they already have support to handle command line parameters for the actual exe? 19:10:15 Yeah. And you can add your own using the INI as explained in the readme. It's in the help.html file. 19:10:42 nice 19:19:31 a standalone rss feed reader like greatnews would be nice if you are looking for a freeware app to make portable 19:20:23 Abandoned over 2 years ago as a beta. Stable and functional? 19:24:18 Hmm... decent app, but it uses an embedded IE browser which affects portability 19:27:07 true 19:27:38 well, that one i have used and it is actually a good one but any. i have used feeddemon which is nice b/c it syncs with google reader 19:27:44 it has that ability 19:28:33 rssowl but it is java based which i try to stay away from java based apps 19:28:46 We're adding Java apps to the directory shortly. 19:28:49 *** pa_8069 (180267a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.2.103.164) has joined #portableapps 19:28:59 The PA.c Launcher works with jPortable so no Java need be installed. 19:29:05 nice 19:29:06 what version java is the java PA? 19:29:16 The latest one 19:29:28 Anyway to get an old version 6 19:29:30 http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/java_portable 19:29:53 well, maybe think about a stand alone rss reader. would be nice rather than a plugin for FF or thunderbird. just an idea :) 19:30:14 You can from our SourceForge project, but it will be unsupported and insecure 19:30:28 the rss reader is the only app i have on my usb drive that isn't from portableapps.com 19:30:42 Sk1llSh0t: Which one are you using now? 19:30:48 I've installed that java but am having issues that claim to be cause by java7 not java6. 19:30:51 jPortable old versions: https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Java%20Portable/Additional%20Versions/ 19:30:56 currently greatnews 19:31:26 it is portable with the zip version. but if it isn't being developed, may need to find something else 19:31:31 Just finding this great project! Thanks for the amazing work!! 19:31:50 Thanks pa_8069. Enjoy! And please join the forums to help make suggestions, etc 19:36:18 *** pa_8069 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 19:38:19 oh. i used rss bandit at one point. i remember liking that one as well 19:38:54 except it requires .net framework :( 19:39:33 Yeah. But we're adding support for that, too. Well, as much as we can. Letting the apps let the platform know what .NET it needs and the platform check for it and, if it's the users own PC, offer to automatically download and install it. 19:39:54 very nice 19:40:00 you are thinking of everything 19:40:21 We've been doing this for a while :) I created the first portable app back in March 2004 19:40:25 rss bandit might be a good one then. it looks like it is free and open source 19:40:49 .net runs a little faster than java i think 19:41:12 I think they're about the same, honestly. Even on my quad core Win7 x64 machine. .NET apps definitely drag 19:41:26 ha. truth 19:43:36 if i had more time, i'd probably try to make rss bandit a portableapp 19:52:00 http://docs.rssbandit.org/v1.8/html/advanced/howto_make_rss_bandit_a_portable_application.htm 19:52:19 nice. instructions on making rss bandit portable. lucky finding it. 19:52:39 even instructions for using with portableapps 19:52:51 Yeah. Would be nice to get them distributing a real PAF. 19:52:58 yes 19:53:08 maybe i send them an email :) 19:53:22 I think GreatNews is a candidate for portablization. 19:53:25 DO it 19:54:45 maybe this weekend if i have some time, i'll sit down and figure out how to make a paf installer for it 20:15:02 *** AluisioASG (~kg-gecko@201-43-2-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #portableapps 20:15:02 ... 20:15:35 WDYM GizmoBot? 20:19:11 hm. Hello everybody! 20:19:17 hi 20:26:59 hey JohnTHaller, do you intend to stay here for the next hour? 20:27:29 I'll be gone for a bit but back after. Got a few things to do. 20:30:14 OK. I'd like to discuss releasing Chromium Portable as an official app later. 20:30:39 Ok 20:36:22 *** Sk1llSh0t has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:45:27 *** AluisioASG has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20:56:37 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 21:24:22 *** pa_6643 (ad1c241f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.28.36.31) has joined #portableapps 21:24:52 Does portableapps.com work with software not within the list on your website? i.e. commercial applications we might use? 21:29:10 *** pa_6643 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:28:49 *** vf2nsr (~PatrickPo@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 22:28:50 vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620 22:32:56 *** vf2nsr has quit (Client Quit) 22:34:30 *** AluisioASG (~kg-gecko@189-47-58-112.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #portableapps 22:34:30 AluisioASG is a PortableApps.com developer and translator, previously known as kAlug. 22:51:22 *** george2 has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 22:51:50 *** george2 (~42@wl-dhcp178-214.Mines.EDU) has joined #portableapps 23:01:42 *** george2 has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 23:02:10 *** george2 (~42@wl-dhcp178-214.Mines.EDU) has joined #portableapps 23:13:46 *** george2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:13:52 *** george2_ (~42@wl-dhcp178-214.Mines.EDU) has joined #portableapps 23:14:41 *** george2_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 23:15:37 *** george2 (~42@wl-dhcp178-214.Mines.EDU) has joined #portableapps 23:20:52 *** AluisioASG has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23:23:15 *** gluxon (~gluxon@unaffiliated/gluxon) has joined #portableapps 23:32:08 *** AluisioASG (~kg-gecko@187.101.115.60) has joined #portableapps 23:32:09 AluisioASG is a PortableApps.com developer and translator, previously known as kAlug.