01:26:54 *** TRS-80 (d0365a8f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.90.143) has joined #portableapps 01:27:07 Hello! 01:28:12 Anyone around? 01:31:59 TRS-80: some are. if you have a question, just ask. If someone can reply they will. 01:35:34 Aah, OK thanks. 01:36:54 What I would like to do is set up some portable apps on a USB stick, to keep my settings the same between my main PC and my laptop. Can I do that and still make them the system default however (eg. Thunderbird, Opera browser, etc.)? 01:37:44 TRS-80: most apps will likely not be able to maintain the system default. At some point we forcibly made sure they couldn't be due to the fact that they're portable. 01:38:01 It could theoretically work though, I'm not 100% positive. 01:38:47 Yeah, doing some reading, it seems possible with some workarounds, at least for email (Thunderbird) and browser (FF or Opera). 01:38:54 I would expect so 01:39:01 at least with the apps running they'll take precedence usually 01:39:37 Well, I think to be system default, they need to be in the registry somehow. Which is fine with me on my own 2 computers. 01:40:19 I would want the "portable" aspects more for the continuity of settings between computers, and not as much for the "leave no trace behind" part. 01:40:52 You could also setup some kind of simple symlinks with a service like Dropbox to keep things sync'd 01:41:01 though that doesn't help the 'leave no trace' issue 01:41:13 one thing to note, if you do make them the default, you'll wind up leaving traces behind though. 01:42:05 Yeah I actually had mapped my Opera preferences and settings folder to be synced thru SugarSync, you wouldn't believe the number of cache files it generated. 01:42:56 oh I would :) 01:43:04 which then in turn started having a lot of conflicts of their own in SS, due to the sheer volume of them I am guessing 01:43:10 I've used both Dropbox and Owncloud for my syncing...it's interesting 01:43:35 IMO I think it's likely that owncloud handles them better of the two, but if both machines are using files at the same time, you'll run into a lot of issues. 01:44:03 yeah I am moving to a combination of dropbox + google drive as we speak, because SugarSync just eliminated their free plan 01:44:27 and the lowest paid plan they have is much more than I need 01:44:38 I self-host my Owncloud, but still use dropbox, largely for the few apps I use that can only use that as their sync providers :( 01:45:44 yeah I plan on placing a truecrypt volume into dropbox with some backups in it, I hear those work well together 01:46:49 and I am making another TC volume on a USB stick with some other things on it, figured I would try out a few portable apps on there while I was at it 01:46:57 Yeah, I wouldn't know why not. it's just one big file 01:47:02 I used to run everything in a truecrypt container 01:47:14 I haven't tried setting it back up since I switched to my super fast USB3 flash drive though. 01:48:19 well the issue becomes the delta updates, aparently dropbox will update only the changed parts and not the whole container. Others may do it too, but I found a lot of comfirmations of dropbox doing it, so I figured I would start there. 01:48:45 interesting...I'm not sure how that woudl work 01:48:50 because...the container isn't a bunch of small files 01:48:52 it's one big one... 01:49:30 yes but apparently DB hashes the one big file into a bunch of small chunks, and then will only update the changed chunks 01:50:01 for it to work, you need to add the files into an existing mounted TC volume, and then unmount it, and then DB will sync the changed bits 01:50:19 that is what I have read anyway, I am setting it up now and will see if it works 01:50:31 That would be pretty neat 01:50:39 good luck! 01:50:46 thanks :) 01:51:57 so, back to the portable thing, do you think I will be able to make a couple apps (email and browser mainly) the system default on the 2 systems I own, while still staying fully portable say if I plug into a friends computer? 01:52:21 I wouldn't know why not. Not 100% positive, but you'll most likely definitely not break the portable versions 01:52:50 I just want the convenience of being able to click a link and have it open in Opera. Copying and pasting it can get to be a pain, ya know? 01:54:10 alright, well I guess I will take a stab at setting it up then. Just didn't want to spend the time doing all that if it wsn't going to work anyway. 01:54:24 I definitely do 01:54:28 I can't see why it wouldn't work 01:54:35 like you said, it might require some registry tweaks or something 01:54:37 but it should be doable. 01:55:03 yeah I am thinking so, just thought I would ask someone with a little more experience using portable apps 01:55:21 TRS-80: I think there's two apps that might work 01:55:29 one is eXpresso and C.A.F.E. 01:55:42 I'm not sure if they're both actively developed and used, but last I knew those were options to help with what you were doing. 01:55:56 yeah I started reading a bit on it, it seems doable 01:55:56 This also may help: http://portableapps.com/node/25189 01:56:15 this as well: http://portableapps.com/node/37743 01:56:28 remember TRS-80 - it's not officially supported, but it theoretically should work. 01:56:56 I have just spent like 2-3 days researching encryption and other things, was just trying to save myself some time by asking someone with more experience in portable apps 01:57:16 This is a good place :) I don't think a lot of people try to do what you do though 01:57:18 yeah thanks, one of those links is purple already, so I guess I've already been there :) 01:57:21 I use all of my portable apps as my main apps 01:57:32 but I don't worry about default associations because the apps are always running. 01:58:17 mine would be too, usually, but say you click some link, it will open in whatever the system default browser is, even if you have your preferred browser open 01:58:23 it's a bit dumb, really 01:58:50 I mean like a link in a program, or elsewhere, not in the browser where you are already browsing 01:59:02 or in an email, etc... 01:59:08 I don't have that email problem 01:59:11 but I can understand the link on 01:59:13 *one 01:59:29 Firefox is my default browser on all the PCs I use (local installs) so it just routes to the open process when I click a link 02:00:14 yes but then how do you sync settings across all installs? or history? 02:00:31 bookmarks I actually handle completely separately... 02:01:03 I don't worry about it, because I always use FirefoxPortable 02:01:10 but my mac and portable version of firefox are using FF Sync 02:01:21 so bookmarks/history/passwords/etc are just sync'd 02:01:26 use it on my phone/tablet too 02:02:14 hmm, haven't tried ff on android, I prefer Dolphin 02:02:34 and usually Opera is my daily driver, but I use FF for some things on PC 02:02:37 My ONLY gripe with FF on Android is the long startup time for the first site after it gets unloaded from memory. 02:02:45 other than that, I love it. So much 02:02:48 it's just easy and intuitive to use 02:02:52 and I'm used to how it works. 02:02:55 yeah I love Opera but not on Android lol 02:03:49 maybe I will have to look into what you are doing, that would be nice "one browser to rule them all" lol 02:04:10 I just think that certain browsers are better for certain things, especially cross platform 02:04:38 yeah, see I don't have any issues with FF on OSX, Windows, Android or Fedora/CentOS (in the VMs I use it) 02:04:43 and it's always consistent 02:04:46 I can rely on the keyboard commands 02:04:57 it's FOSS, they're doig a lot to help the privacy of the average user 02:04:58 etc 02:05:23 that's why I have my bookmarks in a series of interlinked simple html files, which are synced across devices using Google drive, that way it's browser agnostic 02:06:10 That's why I use sync though :) 02:06:26 it also makes it SUPER easy on android to send tabs to my desktop for "bigger" viewing without having to bookmark/email/etc 02:06:38 I can share to Firefox Sync and send it to the firefox install that's linked to my desktop 02:06:39 and voila! 02:07:13 yeah I tried to do that, once upon a time, with Opera, but their Android app was crap at the time. Sounds like it's time to re-examine FF on all platforms 02:07:59 it's just so slow on PC, it's just as bad as IE now, I hate to say it. I am used to Opera, so much faster 02:08:23 See, FF has been WAY super fast for me 02:08:27 and believe me I am a big fan of FF and FOSS in general 02:08:30 they made some HUGE improvements after V20 02:08:36 and even more after v24 02:08:49 I've never run into a speed issue with mine and I usually have 30 tabs open and loaded 02:09:02 and of course, YMMV as always 02:09:22 just takes forever to load initially (forever = 2 more seconds, lol) 02:09:29 maybe 3 lol 02:09:32 but I've found that Firefox supports more stuff than Opera (the last time I checked it had better HTML5 support, faster benchmarks and also support GPUs on windows) 02:10:02 I don't trust chrome really. I like google's services, but their browser absolutely feels like IE take 2. 02:10:27 I have barely used it.. I think I tried once and put it back down immediately. 02:10:53 but did you know Opera is no longer continuing to develop their own engine? 02:11:22 I'm really not surprised 02:11:25 what's their base going to be now? 02:11:28 instead they are going to start using the same underlying engine as chrome, and start contributing to that codebase 02:11:36 :( /sadpanda 02:11:54 figures... 02:12:06 Google is getting out of hand 02:12:27 I can only hope that Opera influence (the browser engine at least) for the better 02:14:48 Alright, well thanks for the input. And nice chatting with you. :) 02:15:08 I think I will hang around for a few in case anyone else comes back from afk and has anything else to add... 02:30:06 *** TRS-80 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 02:40:54 *** TRS-80 (d0365a8f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.90.143) has joined #portableapps 04:23:32 *** TRS-80 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 04:27:39 *** ronjn has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04:28:33 *** ronjn (~ronjn@p5B13E0EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #portableapps 07:18:25 *** m3b has quit (Quit: Leaving) 08:16:08 *** pa_2287 (d9446544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.68.101.68) has joined #portableapps 08:17:34 Hello 08:53:20 *** m3b (~m3b@65.131.15.106) has joined #portableapps 11:02:35 *** aggelos_ (0254ab80@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.84.171.128) has joined #portableapps 11:02:48 hi 11:03:20 i am looking for dolfin portable 11:03:44 can you help me? 11:11:54 *** aggelos_ has quit (Quit: Page closed) 11:35:38 *** pa_2287 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16:14:42 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@d54C34389.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 18:28:33 *** aimless1 (M8R-ocx3u7@netblock-68-183-186-160.dslextreme.com) has joined #portableapps 18:30:34 *** aimless1 has parted #portableapps (None) 20:18:26 *** rainroom69 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:52:27 *** m3b has quit (Quit: Leaving) 23:55:45 *** george2|chakra (~42@c-67-177-211-65.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 23:56:29 *** george2|chakra has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 23:56:51 *** george2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)