IRC Log from 2009-02-10

00:00:39 <matborden> iv been waiting for the authur to login to ask him.
00:01:02 <JacobMastel> He doesn't come on very often
00:01:24 <JacobMastel> You'd probably get better results on the forums sorry :(
00:01:30 <matborden> kk
00:03:11 <TimClark> The author is very likely to see it and reply
00:03:24 *** gluxon (n=gluxon@c-76-19-180-72.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps
00:03:25 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
00:03:34 <TimClark> Guys my ride is here have to go, Good bye and good luck
00:03:40 <gluxon> Bye
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00:04:33 <JacobMastel> Bensawsome: The installers for PS and DW CS3 are working perfectly thanks! :D
00:04:36 <JacobMastel> I won't loose these :D
00:04:37 *** Mir__ is now known as Mir
00:04:39 <Bensawsome> lol n ice
00:04:43 <JacobMastel> lose
00:05:15 <JacobMastel> hmm
00:05:25 <JacobMastel> Crap..I'm done to a single CD and they won't fit on the same one :P
00:05:47 <JacobMastel> *down
00:05:54 <JacobMastel> EMAIL ME ONE :P
00:08:17 <Bensawsome> huh?
00:08:28 <JacobMastel> Mail me a new CD :P
00:08:29 * Bensawsome says compress them more
00:08:38 * sar3th says use 7zip
00:09:06 <JacobMastel> I just though of that
00:09:13 <JacobMastel> I'm putting into a tar and then I'll gz it..
00:09:38 <Bensawsome> use....
00:10:00 <Bensawsome> shoot there was this really good one that i can found that can compress it to like... 10% of its oroiginmal size...
00:10:22 <sar3th> kgb? uha?
00:10:27 <Bensawsome> UHA
00:10:28 <JacobMastel> Bensawsome: The installers are already compressed...gz is probably the only thing that can help?
00:10:31 <Bensawsome> i think that was it :D
00:10:38 <JacobMastel> Never heard of it
00:10:41 <Bensawsome> JacobMastel: UHA
00:10:53 <Bensawsome> Uharc
00:10:55 * sar3th prefers 7z though..it's faster
00:10:57 <JacobMastel> Never heard of it...
00:11:19 <sar3th> .g winuha
00:11:20 <JacobMastel> What's better .gz or bz2?
00:11:20 <pabot> sar3th: http://www.klaimsoft.com/winuha/
00:11:25 <JacobMastel> One way to find out...
00:11:44 <Bensawsome> JacobMastel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHarc
00:12:02 <sar3th> pabot is useful :)
00:12:23 <JacobMastel> Wow even putting it in a .tar.gz isn't do much...
00:12:37 <JacobMastel> It's archiveing at 99%...
00:12:40 <sar3th> try uha then..
00:12:47 <JacobMastel> The installer's a pretty welll compressed :P
00:13:06 <Bensawsome> WOW guys: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/767/1050767/linux-overtaken-hackintosh
00:13:06 <sar3th> use upx XD
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00:13:25 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
00:13:47 <Bensawsome> ohaithar powerjuce!
00:16:14 <sar3th> well, i'll go now, it's pretty late and i gotta get up early tomorrow..see ya then
00:16:22 <Bensawsome> cya >_>
00:16:32 <JohnTHaller> sorry... back, what did I miss?
00:16:51 <dbdii407> ZachThibeau: I have a question. But i forget it. O/o
00:16:54 <JacobMastel> matborden: needs help with the redirect appdata script by ZachHuddock
00:17:06 <sar3th> bye
00:17:11 <JacobMastel> Bye
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00:17:20 <JohnTHaller> I haven't used that script yet... but what are you trying to do matborden?
00:17:24 <ZachThibeau> JacobMastel: the appdata script is by Chrismorgan. I told you last night
00:17:32 <Bensawsome> lol
00:17:52 <JacobMastel> ZachThibeau: sorry didn't notice...
00:17:58 <ZachThibeau> no worries
00:18:01 <JacobMastel> oopss...
00:18:02 <JacobMastel> :P
00:18:05 <matborden> the app im working on saves some of its setings in appdata
00:18:25 <matborden> the way i handle it now only works corectly on vista
00:18:33 <JohnTHaller> how are you handling it now?
00:19:23 <matborden> #
00:19:23 <matborden> CopyFiles /SILENT $APPDATA\IMVU\*.* $APPDATA\IMVU2
00:19:23 <matborden> #
00:19:23 <matborden> RMDir /r $APPDATA\IMVU
00:19:23 <matborden> #
00:19:24 <matborden> CopyFiles /SILENT $SETTINGSDIRECTORY\IMVUPortableappdata\IMVU\*.* $APPDATA\IMVU
00:19:48 <JacobMastel> matborden: please use pastebin
00:19:57 <matborden> http://pastebin.com/mbdb3594
00:20:04 <JacobMastel> Thank you
00:20:07 <JacobMastel> It's much easier to red
00:20:09 <JohnTHaller> Ok, just a quick not first, we do IMVU-BackupByIMVUPortable by default (to make it clear)
00:20:14 <JacobMastel> *read
00:20:47 <JohnTHaller> Second, I recommend renaming rather than copying files.
00:20:57 *** JacobMastel is now known as JacobMastel-Away
00:21:06 <JohnTHaller> So Rename $APPDATA\IMVU $APPDATA\IMVU-BackupByIMVUPortable
00:21:16 <JohnTHaller> then copy files in, run app, copy back, ditch IMVU and rename back
00:22:14 <matborden> how do you rename in nsis?
00:22:24 <JohnTHaller> that was an actual line of code...
00:22:31 <JohnTHaller> Rename $APPDATA\IMVU $APPDATA\IMVU-BackupByIMVUPortable
00:22:43 <matborden> ok, srry
00:22:48 <JohnTHaller> np
00:22:59 <matborden> im still new at nsis..
00:26:08 <JohnTHaller> if you have more issues, make a post in the forums... I gotta run :-)
00:26:16 <matborden> kk thnkx
00:26:26 <JohnTHaller> see you later all
00:26:42 <JohnTHaller> (still taking it easy to get better)
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00:35:11 <pabot> kai_62656 is here. He's developing LMarbles, Lincity-NG, WinHTTrack Website Copier, Gourmet, and NVDA Portable.
00:35:40 <kai_62656> gluxon! :P
00:37:32 <Bensawsome> kai_62656! :P
00:37:35 <Bensawsome> lol
00:37:45 <kai_62656> Bensawsome! :P
00:38:13 <Bensawsome> people seem to like gourmet kai_62656 :P
00:38:20 <kai_62656> I know!
00:38:22 <kai_62656> :DD
00:39:10 <Bensawsome> i have used only 8% of my bandwitdh too :D
00:39:14 <Bensawsome> which is good :D
00:39:22 <kai_62656> :D
00:40:16 <kai_62656> yeah. I guess people like it.
00:42:40 <Bensawsome> yep ^_^
00:42:46 <kai_62656> I know
00:47:17 *** KevinPorter (n=KevinPor@unaffiliated/KevinPorter) has joined #portableapps
00:47:18 <pabot> KevinPorter is an interesting fellow who you might see here and there, blogging about various things and Twittering a bunch.
00:47:34 <kai_62656> .t OliverK
00:47:35 <pabot> Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:49:32 CST
00:47:47 <kai_62656> .o twitter KevinPorter
00:47:49 <pabot> <@KevinPorter> Someone pinch me. The Scrobbler daemon for the iPhone is actually working again. Apparently a restart every here and there helps it along. (http://twitter.com/KevinPorter/statuses/1193819592)
00:48:05 <KevinPorter> Evenin' everyone. :)
00:48:16 <kai_62656> hi KevinPorter
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00:50:32 <Bensawsome> ohaithawr excid3|lab :)
00:50:50 <Bensawsome> i gots mai xubuntu laptop running :D
00:51:09 <KevinPorter> Did you take my advice Bensawsome?
00:51:19 <Bensawsome> yes ^_^
00:51:28 <Bensawsome> except i didnt upgradde to 8
00:51:35 <JacobMastel-Away> Why not?
00:51:36 *** JacobMastel-Away is now known as JacobMastel
00:51:41 <KevinPorter> So you like it? :)
00:51:52 <Bensawsome> si si si
00:52:07 <Bensawsome> lol im going to get one of the old goose neck imacs next XD
00:52:14 <Bensawsome> gonna put xubuntu 8.10 on it :D
00:52:25 <JacobMastel> Is there a tool that will balance the volume levels of all of the music within say my Music folder?
00:52:34 <Bensawsome> >_>
00:52:56 <JacobMastel> I have some that are way high and others that are failry low and it's kinda a pain...
00:53:27 <kai_62656> :P
00:53:31 <kai_62656> :-P
00:53:33 <JacobMastel> What?
00:53:35 <JacobMastel> ...
00:53:49 <excid3|lab> hey Bensawsome
00:55:05 <Bensawsome> SWEET i can also get some of the edubuntu software :D
00:55:10 <Bensawsome> perfect for the kids :)
00:55:49 <Bensawsome> (since im donating it to kids :D)
00:56:05 <excid3|lab> Bensawsome: you ARE the kid
00:56:09 <Bensawsome> :P
00:57:10 <Bensawsome> hmmm maybe i should try 8....
00:57:43 <KevinPorter> JacobMastel: I hate to recommend it (actually, I don't), but iTunes does.
00:57:49 <Bensawsome> XD
00:57:52 <JacobMastel> NEVER
00:57:55 <JacobMastel> I HATE ITUNES!!!
00:58:00 <Bensawsome> songbird should soon
00:58:00 <kai_62656> Why?
00:58:01 * DaMouse_ hugs JacobMastel
00:58:02 <DaMouse_> it's ok
00:58:06 * DaMouse_ pats JacobMastel
00:58:07 <DaMouse_> it's ok
00:58:11 <Bensawsome> .....
00:58:12 <KevinPorter> JacobMastel: I agree completely, just saying. :P
00:58:57 <JacobMastel> It's a pain in the a** to use, it's slow, it's ugly, I hate how it organizes the music, I hate that it deletes stuff off ipods before allowing you to sinc and the list goes on and on 0'_'0
00:58:58 * Bensawsome wonders if this wifi card will work with xubuntu out of the box...
00:59:19 <Bensawsome> IT DOES
00:59:22 <Bensawsome> FREAKING SWEET
00:59:31 <JacobMastel> I was surprised to see that the Zune software was actually really good
00:59:37 * Bensawsome slaps JacobMastel
00:59:41 <Bensawsome> DIIIIIIE
00:59:43 <Bensawsome> lol
00:59:47 <KevinPorter> JacobMastel is right Bensawsome. :P
00:59:50 <JacobMastel> Although does anyone else find it weird that Zune is made by Microsoft yet doesn't work with WMP?...
01:00:07 <JacobMastel> I mean really?
01:00:07 * Bensawsome slaps KevinPorter
01:00:09 <Bensawsome> DIIIIIIE\
01:00:13 <KevinPorter> Remember, this is the same company that made Windows 7 version 6.1. :P
01:00:25 <JacobMastel> KevinPorter: that's assult...I'm thinking that deserves a kick :P
01:00:31 <Bensawsome> lol
01:00:31 <JacobMastel> Good point ;P
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01:00:40 <KevinPorter> Should I kick myself then?
01:00:40 <Bensawsome> you know what... i think i will try 8.04 :/
01:00:44 <Bensawsome> lol
01:00:48 <JacobMastel> No Bensawsome stupid :P
01:00:58 * Bensawsome slaps JacobMastel
01:01:07 * kai_62656 slaps Bensawsome
01:01:11 * JacobMastel shoots Bensawsome
01:01:17 <JacobMastel> With an AA-12
01:01:26 <kai_62656> <_<_<_<_<_<_>_>_>_>_>
01:01:26 <KevinPorter> Bensawsome: That's your best bet. 8.04 is more compatible than 8.10 is from my experience.
01:01:27 * Bensawsome eats JacobMastel's guns and bullets and kai_62656's hands
01:01:39 * kai_62656 runs away before that
01:01:48 <Bensawsome> i already said it :P
01:01:55 <kai_62656> Sooo?
01:02:02 <Bensawsome> you cant go back in time :P
01:02:07 <kai_62656> Yes I can.
01:02:10 <JacobMastel> Bensawsome: First off I used one gun and secondly good luck getting close enough to a person with a fully automatic shotgun that can gold 100 rounds :P
01:02:27 <Bensawsome> gold?
01:02:34 <JacobMastel> Plus they got new rounds that shoot a small missle out of a standard shotgun :D
01:02:35 <Bensawsome> me is kirby
01:02:39 * Bensawsome is kirby
01:02:46 <kai_62656> sigh
01:02:47 <kai_62656>
01:02:47 <kai_62656>
01:02:49 <Bensawsome> I EATS UR WEAPONS AND USE IT AGAINST YOU
01:02:51 <kai_62656>
01:02:53 <kai_62656>
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01:02:56 <JacobMastel>
01:02:57 <Bensawsome> ....
01:02:57 <kai_62656>
01:02:57 <JacobMastel>
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01:03:02 <KevinPorter> Hey, guys stop. Now.
01:03:03 <kai_62656>
01:03:03 <JacobMastel>
01:03:04 <Bensawsome> KevinPorter KICK THEM
01:03:05 <kai_62656>
01:03:05 <JacobMastel>
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01:03:09 <JacobMastel>
01:03:10 <KevinPorter> Last warning.
01:03:11 <JacobMastel>
01:03:13 <JacobMastel> :P
01:03:15 <JacobMastel> AHK TIME :P
01:03:17 <JacobMastel> kai_62656: time to stop :P
01:03:22 <kai_62656> I did.
01:03:28 <JacobMastel> Lag? :P
01:03:35 <kai_62656> yeah. :(
01:03:36 <Bensawsome> KevinPorter: i would have kickbanned them after the second one :/
01:03:37 <KevinPorter> JacobMastel: That's why you weren't kicked. :|
01:03:52 <JacobMastel> Wait why wasn't I kicked?
01:04:00 <KevinPorter> JacobMastel: I figured it was lag.
01:04:11 <JacobMastel> Oh
01:04:18 <kai_62656> wow
01:04:24 <KevinPorter> Bensawsome: I probably should have. :|
01:04:29 <kai_62656> 1.25 seconds
01:04:38 <JacobMastel> If you want you can kick me anyways :P
01:04:43 <Bensawsome> DO IT
01:05:16 <Bensawsome> and also KevinPorter: they can do /flushq and it makes them stop their spamming ^_^
01:05:18 <JacobMastel> Sorry for the spamming but it was fun ;)
01:05:27 <Bensawsome> so i would have kicked em anyways :P
01:05:50 <kai_62656> ?
01:06:25 <KevinPorter> Just stop talking about it guys, the deed is done.
01:06:32 <JacobMastel> Okay
01:06:55 <JacobMastel> Bensawsome: You know after all of this now I have a client that wants CS4
01:06:56 <JacobMastel> :P
01:07:18 <Bensawsome> well screw them :/
01:07:29 <JacobMastel> So now I gotta download it for em :P
01:07:32 <Bensawsome> JacobMastel: tell them from Ben Kaufman, "SCREW YOU"
01:07:38 <JacobMastel> ?
01:07:39 <JacobMastel> Why?
01:07:40 <kai_62656> ?
01:07:48 <JacobMastel> What's wrong with them wanting to buy CS4?
01:08:02 <excid3|lab> ?_?
01:08:07 <Bensawsome> cause im ben kaufman and it took me like half an hour to get those ready to send to you and another day and a half to send them to you ://
01:08:17 <JacobMastel> No different person :P
01:08:20 <kai_62656> I know.
01:08:20 <excid3|lab> Bensawsome: its because you are a n00b
01:08:24 <JacobMastel> notice the "a"
01:08:31 <Bensawsome> excid3|lab your face is a noob :P
01:08:32 <JacobMastel> not "the"
01:08:33 <excid3|lab> THE noob actually
01:08:38 <excid3|lab> a noob
01:08:42 <excid3|lab> one of the many noobs
01:08:56 <Bensawsome> watch it excid3 :P i have many friends on this server =-=
01:09:10 <excid3|lab> like chanserv? :P
01:09:15 <Bensawsome> no
01:09:26 <Bensawsome> like operserver friends :P
01:09:27 <kai_62656> Who?
01:09:30 <Bensawsome> *operserv
01:09:31 <kai_62656> ?
01:09:34 <Mir> as teh king of teh n00bz i dub you all my loyal servants
01:09:39 <Bensawsome> oh you will find out when the need comes =_=
01:09:45 <Mir> you all are n00bz
01:09:47 <KevinPorter> Not exactly a distinguished title Mir.
01:09:53 <kai_62656> S_S
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01:31:34 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
01:32:00 <ZachThibeau> howdy y'all
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01:35:05 <KevinPorter> Evenin' ZachThibeau. :)
01:35:12 <KevinPorter> Guess I'm a tad late. :P
01:35:14 <ZachThibeau> evening KevinPorter
01:35:18 <ZachThibeau> no woriies
01:35:22 <ZachThibeau> **worries
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01:37:08 <KevinPorter> Reminds me of the old Australian saying "no wucking furries."
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01:43:00 <ZachThibeau> O_o
01:55:41 <DaveDixonII> o_O
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01:56:35 * ZachT|Madagascar is watching Madagascar 2 :D
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01:57:20 <PatrickJPatience> Well i've just redefined sad.
01:57:57 <KevinPorter> How many times have you done this now PatrickJPatience?
01:58:06 <PatrickJPatience> Set up my Dell in the basement with the webcam running watching the TV.
01:58:31 <ZachT|Madagascar> wow that is sad
01:58:33 <PatrickJPatience> Mac is connected via VNC to let me know wwhen commercials are over.
01:58:43 <PatrickJPatience> No, that's the sad part.
01:58:51 <KevinPorter> Lol.
01:58:56 <PatrickJPatience> And 24 is on!
01:58:59 <KevinPorter> Geek.
01:59:26 <PatrickJPatience> Haha, fir sure.
01:59:51 <KevinPorter> I can't say much better about myself. :P
02:01:01 <PatrickJPatience> *connects iPhone to Mac via VNC just for fun?*
02:01:09 <PatrickJPatience> Gosh I love technology.
02:01:31 <KevinPorter> And I thought *I* was a bit of a VNC nut.
02:01:46 <PatrickJPatience> Mmm, VNC.
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02:17:47 <pabot> SergentSiler is awsome and is the most.... Hey, wait, OMG!!!! PIE!!!! <3
02:19:56 <SergentSiler> Orly?
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02:24:44 <Bensawsome> ....
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02:56:11 <killnine> anyone having trouble DLing from PA.com (sourceforge)?
02:56:27 <killnine> I cant get anything to download and its pissing me off....;P
02:57:57 <killnine> VLC, MPlayer, Pidgin, none of it works for me. And if it does download, it downloads a 0kB file...Firefox and IE
03:00:08 <killnine> oh yeah, servers are back up ;)
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03:20:10 <pabot> alpha1beta is sick of support, and needs a shrink, he is also the insane admin of http://alpha1beta.co.cc and http://tablet-pc.co.cc if he goes nuts, blame the support!
03:20:16 <alpha1beta> hello
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03:22:14 <pabot> Roamer is a linux geek cursed to use windows until he gets his own laptop.
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03:35:37 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
03:36:01 <ZachThibeau> howdy alpha1beta
03:36:35 <alpha1beta> hey zach, what's happening
03:36:45 <ZachThibeau> not much
03:36:53 <ZachThibeau> went to a funeral today
03:37:07 <ZachThibeau> and then did some work
03:37:07 <Roamer> :(
03:37:31 <ZachThibeau> went to the doctors office who refuses to believe I have asthma based on one test that was good
03:37:41 <ZachThibeau> and refuses to read my record
03:37:51 <ZachThibeau> ignorant bastard :(
03:37:52 <Bensawsome> :/
03:38:04 <Bensawsome> damn canadian health care system ;)
03:38:12 <Bensawsome> jk ;)
03:38:12 <ZachThibeau> no just this one doctor
03:38:20 <Roamer> True, ZachThibeau. I know what you mean...
03:38:21 <Bensawsome> ya ;)
03:38:24 <Bensawsome> damn doctors =_=
03:38:26 <Bensawsome> lol
03:38:38 <Bensawsome> mine is pretty good...
03:38:49 <ZachThibeau> my old family doctor actually did something about my asthma at least, my new one is a crack job :/
03:38:52 <alpha1beta> langague!
03:38:53 <Roamer> Bensawsome: and their thousands of dollars paychecks
03:39:02 <Bensawsome> TRUE DAT
03:39:12 <Bensawsome> although... i still have the one from my childhood XD i will have to get a new doctor soon :/
03:39:18 <Roamer> lol same
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03:41:24 <PatrickPatience> Where are those fires in Australia?
03:41:39 <Roamer> ?
03:42:48 <Bensawsome> the fires in the continent of australia are in the country of australia ;)
03:43:00 <PatrickPatience> Aha... aha... aha.
03:43:02 <PatrickPatience> Thanks Ben.
03:43:03 <Roamer> lol
03:43:15 <PatrickPatience> .g australia forrest fires
03:43:17 <pabot> PatrickPatience: http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
03:43:20 <Bensawsome> ...
03:43:22 <Bensawsome> lol
03:43:26 <PatrickPatience> Well that can't be it.
03:43:56 <Roamer> lol
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03:45:15 <Roamer> PatrickPatience: http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/09/asia/09australia.php is this it?
03:45:44 <PatrickPatience> That sounds right, thanks.
03:45:48 <PatrickPatience> And Sydney it is.
03:45:48 <Roamer> near Melbourne in southeastern Australia according to yahoo
03:45:58 <PatrickPatience> Ryan is okay. *whipes forehead*
03:46:20 * Roamer sighs relief.
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03:47:12 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
03:48:34 * ZachThibeau is working on 3 different PortableApps.com Packages in one night :S
03:48:39 <ZachThibeau> make that 4
03:48:47 <ZachThibeau> I forgot QtWeb
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03:49:00 <Roamer> Wow. Multitasking ftw...
03:49:45 <ZachThibeau> yeah...
03:49:47 <ZachThibeau> maybe
03:50:02 <ZachThibeau> if not I'll work in finishing it by morning :P
03:50:22 <Roamer> lol
03:51:20 <ZachThibeau> but I am working on a perfect release of visualboyadvance-mportable again :D
03:51:31 <ZachThibeau> with no dependencies needed :D
03:51:37 * Roamer will be happy to use it!
03:51:38 <ZachThibeau> finally :D
03:52:01 <ZachThibeau> it's a frontend written in C++ (custom made too) for the sdl binary of vba-m
03:52:16 <Roamer> wow. nice
03:52:20 <ZachThibeau> yup
03:52:34 <ZachThibeau> it's written but the projects team leader named mudlord
03:53:04 <ZachThibeau> it isn't OSS only freeware but he written it for me to use for PortableApps.com and gave me permission to use it only for PortableApps.com
03:53:32 <Roamer> nice of him
03:54:01 <ZachThibeau> yup :)
03:54:18 <ZachThibeau> only 80kb uncompressed :P when compressed it's 20kbs :P
03:54:26 <ZachThibeau> so it's a small frontend :D
03:54:37 <Roamer> wow O_o
03:54:40 <ZachThibeau> but functionable
03:55:19 <Roamer> yay!
03:55:21 <Roamer> lol
03:55:22 <Bensawsome> ZachThibeau: PORTABLE :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
03:55:23 <ZachThibeau> :)
03:55:30 <ZachThibeau> ultra portable :D
03:55:56 <Roamer> Tiny... o_O hide-able... lol
03:55:58 <ZachThibeau> I'm also working on an md5 checksum utility he made too that he licensed under a BSD License
03:56:16 <ZachThibeau> it's smaller than the one on portableapps.com :P
03:56:19 <Roamer> cool cool
03:56:29 * Bensawsome high fives ZachThibeau
03:56:33 <Bensawsome> YA BOY! YA!!!
03:56:40 <Bensawsome> oh and ZachThibeau how nsis coming :D
03:56:42 <ZachThibeau> like 14kbs :P
03:56:49 * Roamer would use it... (space saving rules!)
03:56:51 <ZachThibeau> coming tomorrow :D
03:56:56 <ZachThibeau> NSISPortable that is
03:57:46 <ZachThibeau> the md5 tool original worked in visual studio 2006 (compiling that is) but I got it compilable in mingw as it's source code is pure win32api in C
03:58:03 <Bensawsome> ZachThibeau: SWEET :D
03:58:13 <ZachThibeau> yup :D
03:58:33 <Roamer> and the open source community pwns microsoft yet again...
03:58:52 <ZachThibeau> :D
03:59:03 <Bensawsome> ^_^
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03:59:38 <Roamer> btw Mozilla joined the EU in suing microsoft
03:59:47 <Roamer> in case ya'll don't know
03:59:55 <Bensawsome> O_O SWEET
04:00:02 <ZachThibeau> :P
04:00:05 <ZachThibeau> bout time
04:00:57 <Roamer> They are going for the neck... IE to be no longer included with windows.
04:02:12 <Bensawsome> O
04:02:13 <Bensawsome> M
04:02:14 <Bensawsome> G
04:02:32 <Bensawsome> how would they do the updates though? make it compatible with other browsers? :DDDDD
04:02:48 <Bensawsome> and also how will people browse the internet to get another browser....
04:03:02 <Roamer> include alturnitives on disk
04:03:05 <Roamer> i guess
04:03:08 <Bensawsome> :/
04:03:35 <Bensawsome> i wonder if they would just do it it europe...
04:04:17 <Roamer> I think it's being done in US too, b/c mozilla operates out of the US...
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04:09:44 <PatrickPatience> Gosh... I'm going to turn into a fanboy. Someone stop me now.
04:10:21 * Roamer stops PatrickPatience... with a fist breaking what he is becoming a fanboy to!
04:10:36 <Roamer> lol fanboy to what anyway?
04:11:37 <PatrickPatience> Lol, Apple obviously.
04:11:45 <PatrickPatience> Hooked on the iPhone and now the Mac.
04:13:25 <Roamer> True... I like Apple out of respect. But they're too proprietary for me. Give me Linux, or I'll get it myself! :D
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04:13:44 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
04:16:01 * ZachThibeau is going to sleep now
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04:17:16 * Roamer is going offline... Yawn...
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04:23:31 * Mir is hopped up on......
04:23:50 <Mir> DECAFFINATED HERBAL TEA :D
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04:41:02 <PatrickPatience> Ahahahahaha!
04:41:06 <PatrickPatience> AMAZING! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/3264312469/sizes/l/
04:41:32 <PatrickPatience> http://digg.com/apple/When_a_Mac_fanboy_meets_Bill_Gates
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10:12:18 <sar3th> hi all
10:18:51 *** ChrisMorgan (i=79f7ea39@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2f9af802abde2072) has joined #portableapps
10:18:52 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
10:19:57 <ChrisMorgan> palogbot: uri?
10:19:57 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-02-10#T10-19-57
10:20:04 <ChrisMorgan> muchas gracias ;-)
10:21:00 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, so the IMVU person came in here earlier
10:21:06 <ChrisMorgan> ah well :-(
10:24:24 <sar3th> hi ChrisMorgan
10:24:38 <ChrisMorgan> Hey sar3th
10:24:46 <ChrisMorgan> Say, I don't recognise your nick?
10:25:13 <sar3th> yeah, was here yesterday using some incognito nick^^
10:25:30 <ChrisMorgan> Were you the LyX person?
10:25:45 <sar3th> yep, mib_boyen2 :D
10:25:48 <ChrisMorgan> Ah! Hello once more then :-)
10:25:52 <ChrisMorgan> How's that going?
10:26:23 <ChrisMorgan> And yeah, I'm the one that matborden was wanting about the AppDataRedirect script... ah well, at least he posted on the forums so I can respond to that :-)
10:26:40 <sar3th> well, i haven't had the time to take a closer look at your script yet, but i will today
10:27:09 <sar3th> is there a template for the launcher jpg?
10:27:29 <ChrisMorgan> No, you use the Development Test one for Development Tests
10:27:37 <ChrisMorgan> When it goes Pre-Release, that's when you get to have a special splash :-)
10:27:47 <sar3th> =D
10:28:03 * ChrisMorgan notes the splash check down for PAFChecker on Development Tests
10:28:10 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for reminding me ;-)
10:28:48 <sar3th> np
10:30:50 <ChrisMorgan> ARGH!
10:31:32 <sar3th> waht's the matter?
10:31:38 <ChrisMorgan> .tell JacobMastel You moving gavin to #portableapps-dev at http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2009-02-09#T04-19-27 has meant that I can't follow your whole conversation with him about the APPDATA problem (of which I now know almost all the ins and outs) :-(
10:31:39 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I'll pass that on when I next see JacobMastel.
10:31:44 <ChrisMorgan> That :P
10:31:57 <ChrisMorgan> #portableapps-dev is not logged, so I can't follow it in the logs :-(
10:32:14 <ChrisMorgan> Bensawsome: do you just happen to have a log of that bit?
10:33:28 <ChrisMorgan> .tell JacobMastel I do come on very often, more often than you I think, it's just at different times - look at the logs to find me :-)
10:33:29 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I'll pass that on when I next see JacobMastel.
10:34:55 <sar3th> pabot is quite useful..is there a more detailed description than at http://inamidst.com/phenny/ ?
10:35:34 <ChrisMorgan> pabot is a phenny bot. Other than some custom modules, it's all at the phenny home page - which is that.
10:35:49 <ChrisMorgan> pabot itself is more helpful though...
10:35:51 <ChrisMorgan> pabot: help
10:35:52 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is rmccue.
10:36:02 <sar3th> aah thx
10:36:09 <ChrisMorgan> ".commands" will show you more
10:36:21 <ChrisMorgan> In private, i.e. private message
10:36:21 <rmccue> Only in PM.
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10:36:34 <sar3th> yep
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10:37:11 <ChrisMorgan> Whoops... pressed Alt+Shift and suddenly started typing in Hindi... :s
10:37:17 <rmccue> Stupid close button + inadvertent hitting of mouse.
10:37:39 <ChrisMorgan> Except I must have done it twice, otherwise it would have been Bengali :D
10:40:28 <sar3th> is the functionality of having pabot announce something when you join reserved to relese crew members?
10:40:44 <ChrisMorgan> No, it's through a def
10:40:49 <ChrisMorgan> .def ChrisMorgan
10:40:50 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
10:40:51 <ChrisMorgan> .def pabot
10:40:52 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I have no idea who or what pabot is.
10:40:55 <ChrisMorgan> .def palogbot
10:40:56 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: palogbot is the logging bot for #portableapps . Logs are found at http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs . If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart
10:41:02 <rmccue> You can change them in PM or in #rmccue
10:41:11 <sar3th> aah k :)
10:41:20 <ChrisMorgan> try pabot: help def
10:41:34 <rmccue> Dunno if that will work.
10:41:38 <rmccue> pabot: help def?
10:41:39 <pabot> rmccue: .def <thing> is|are|has|was|runs|thinks|knows|may|wants <definition> - Heralds people as the enter and can recall definitions with .def <thing>. Definitions compound
10:41:39 <ChrisMorgan> it will :D
10:41:40 <pabot> e.g. .def pabot is cool!
10:41:45 <rmccue> Ah, it does.
10:41:54 <rmccue> I thought I named it herald.
10:41:58 <ChrisMorgan> With or without a "?"
10:42:05 <ChrisMorgan> .def pabot is cool!
10:42:06 <rmccue> I know the module is herald.py
10:42:06 <pabot> .def manipulation is only allowed in #rmccue
10:42:09 <ChrisMorgan> :o it doesn't work :P
10:42:30 <sar3th> .def sar3th
10:42:31 <pabot> sar3th: sar3th is testing pabot
10:43:09 <sar3th> as rmccue said, change in a pm or in #rmccue
10:43:23 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: I know :D
10:43:28 <ChrisMorgan> So now if you really want to you could part and rejoin... are you using the widget or are you using mibbit.com/chat?
10:43:44 <ChrisMorgan> And you'd be heralded with "sar3th is testing pabot"
10:43:58 <ChrisMorgan> With the widget you can't part and rejoin, you'd need to refresh which is a pain
10:43:59 <sar3th> widget i suppose - http://portableapps.com/support/chat/live
10:44:03 <ChrisMorgan> and anyway, you know it works :D
10:44:05 <ChrisMorgan> yeah, widget
10:44:13 <ChrisMorgan> you could join e.g. #portableapps-dev
10:44:13 <ChrisMorgan> and it'll herald you
10:44:22 <ChrisMorgan> *part and then rejoin
10:44:22 <sar3th> currently at school, at home i use xchat
10:44:29 <rmccue> Erm, /part and /join should work.
10:44:56 <ChrisMorgan> rmccue: not for the default channels, which for the PA.c widget is #portableapps - it you can't close.
10:45:15 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: I intend to prove you wrong.
10:45:15 <ChrisMorgan> He can close and reopen #portableapps-dev though
10:45:27 <ChrisMorgan> Good luck. You'll find I'm right though :-)
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10:45:56 <ChrisMorgan> :D
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10:46:06 <rmccue> I believe we call that "owned".
10:46:21 * rmccue|mibbit high-fives rmccue
10:46:28 * rmccue returns the favour
10:46:30 <ChrisMorgan> No...
10:46:42 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: I did "/part" then "/join #portableapps"
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10:46:51 <pabot> sar3th is testing pabot
10:46:52 <ChrisMorgan> Try again then...
10:46:56 <sar3th> it works
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10:47:03 <pabot> rmccue|mibbit is rmccue, but he's desparate - he's using MIBBIT! :o All hide!
10:47:08 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
10:47:09 <rmccue> Owned, again.
10:47:17 <ChrisMorgan> That time I struck back with a def ;-)
10:47:23 <sar3th> lmao
10:47:30 <ChrisMorgan> I should ahve done rmccue|mibbit is wrong :P
10:47:32 <ChrisMorgan> *have
10:47:42 <rmccue> It's because of things like that that people complain about heralds :)
10:47:55 <ChrisMorgan> ah well. :P
10:47:58 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: And s/done/known/
10:48:01 <ChrisMorgan> You cleared it I see...
10:48:21 <ChrisMorgan> No... s/known/done/g
10:48:40 <ChrisMorgan> the g for replace all occurances in the line, not jsut the first :D
10:49:13 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: There was only one occurrence.
10:50:04 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well :D
10:50:13 * ChrisMorgan <3 gVim
10:52:01 <sar3th> here at school xchat doesn't work due to our crappy proxy which our admins are unable to set up properly :(
10:52:16 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: Set a def for rmccue|mibbit again, I want to test something.
10:52:53 <ChrisMorgan> .def rmccue|mibbit
10:52:54 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: Please do not mess with others' definitions.
10:53:26 <ChrisMorgan> So is it a hardcoded list?
10:53:29 <rmccue|mibbit> DAY-UM!
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10:53:35 <rmccue> Yep.
10:53:37 <rmccue> Opt-in.
10:53:44 <rmccue> Tell your friends!
10:53:51 * ChrisMorgan opts in
10:54:01 * ChrisMorgan opts JohnTHaller in
10:54:03 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
10:54:08 *** rmccue changed the topic to: "Welcome to the PortableApps.com Support Channel | New Releases & Updates: http://PortableApps.com/News | Looking for support? Try saying "help!" | This channel is G-rated | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | Please do not discuss illegal software (e.g. Portable Photoshop, Microsoft Office)"
10:54:36 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: Your definition will be permanent then.
10:55:00 <ChrisMorgan> I presume I can still modify it?
10:55:20 <rmccue> No.
10:55:28 <ChrisMorgan> Huh?
10:55:29 <rmccue> No one can.
10:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> Then /me opts out!
10:55:57 <ChrisMorgan> The user should be a able to modify it if they are identified.
10:57:07 <rmccue> There is no way of checking if a user is identified from the bot.
10:57:10 * sar3th has to go within 2 minutes
10:57:16 <ChrisMorgan> bye sar3th
10:57:28 <ChrisMorgan> rmccue: that should be rectified...
10:57:29 <sar3th> i'll be back in approx 4 hrs
10:57:36 <ChrisMorgan> ah well, for the moment leave me out of it then
10:57:44 <sar3th> see you then, bye!
10:57:50 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: How exactly? It's not exactly trivial.
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10:58:07 <ChrisMorgan> Why isn't it? Isn't it just part of the WHOIS information?
10:58:25 <ChrisMorgan> btw, I approve of your cleaning up of the last bit of the topic
10:58:46 <rmccue> Yes, but I'm not doing a WHOIS for each user that tries to change a definition then parsing through the result.
10:59:55 <ChrisMorgan> I would have thought it'd be as simple as: does the username match one which is locked? No, let them modify it; yes, are they identified? Yes, let them modify it; no, don't.
11:00:09 <rmccue> That's the easy part.
11:00:17 <rmccue> The hard part is working out if they are identified.
11:00:33 <ChrisMorgan> What's hard about it? Isn't it just a regex/whatever match?
11:00:35 <ChrisMorgan> .def rmccue
11:00:36 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: Please do not mess with definitions. (Definition set as protected)
11:00:42 <ChrisMorgan> I can't even view your def...
11:00:46 <ChrisMorgan> Not that you have one
11:00:52 <rmccue> Exactly.
11:00:53 <ChrisMorgan> If you had one could I view it?
11:01:13 <rmccue> And no, but the herald would still work.
11:01:28 <ChrisMorgan> ":-("
11:02:03 <ChrisMorgan> ':D' <-- that smiley has ears in Mibbit because the smiley and text are just the right size in relation to one another ';-)'
11:02:38 <rmccue> Also, it's currently impossible to get the result of a WHOIS command from pabot.
11:02:46 <ChrisMorgan> :o
11:02:54 <ChrisMorgan> pabot: fix it!
11:02:54 <ChrisMorgan> :P
11:03:34 <rmccue> Go ahead and write a phenny module to do it if you want it, otherwise don't complain :)
11:03:46 <ChrisMorgan> :P
11:08:33 <rmccue> .def rmccue
11:08:34 <pabot> rmccue: I have no idea who or what rmccue is.
11:08:38 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: Happy?
11:09:32 <ChrisMorgan> .def rmccue
11:09:32 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I have no idea who or what rmccue is.
11:09:37 <ChrisMorgan> pabot: nor do I...
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11:49:45 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
11:50:13 <ZachThibeau> spammer strikes again :(
11:50:29 <ZachThibeau> I should say spammer/spambot
11:50:49 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: what, you? :P
11:50:59 <ZachThibeau> witno :P
11:51:10 <ChrisMorgan> Haven't seen any IRC spam in here, myself
11:51:13 <ChrisMorgan> Only had it reported
11:51:20 <ChrisMorgan> And that only once
11:51:25 <ZachThibeau> no not irc spam
11:51:26 <ChrisMorgan> And I would hope that you were above that :P
11:51:29 <ChrisMorgan> :D
11:51:30 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
11:51:54 <ZachThibeau> goodness I had enough irc spam to make me go to a nut house
11:53:17 <christianweiss> i'm missing a "what to backup" campain at portableapps.com. There should be a standard where settings and data is stored be the applications. (I know there is a folder, but it seems that most apps do not use it). What do you think?
11:53:33 <ChrisMorgan> compaiGn :D
11:54:01 <ChrisMorgan> There /is/ - it's all in AppNamePortable\Data.
11:54:08 <christianweiss> i missed the key ;-)
11:54:15 <ChrisMorgan> The PortableApps.com Backup tool offers you the choice of which type to backup.
11:54:21 <ChrisMorgan> It's in the Platform download
11:54:45 <christianweiss> it do not work for XAMPP and others
11:54:51 <ChrisMorgan> It has three types of backup: data, documents and everything
11:55:00 <ZachThibeau> correct
11:55:03 <ChrisMorgan> christianweiss: That's because XAMPP is not in the PortableApps.com Format
11:55:24 <christianweiss> portableapps.com Backup do not have command line options
11:55:24 * ChrisMorgan should finish off his stop-gap XAMPP-in-PAF package
11:55:30 <ChrisMorgan> And then publish it
11:55:32 <ZachThibeau> and if you want custom backup there is an advance backup tool by a member from PortableApps.com called Toucan
11:55:45 <ChrisMorgan> christianweiss: why would you want command line options, automation?
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11:57:05 <christianweiss> i want to make a backup every time i put my stick to my PC / Notebook (autorun)
11:57:08 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, majd! How can we help you today?
11:57:17 <majd> hi
11:57:21 <majd> i want to know
11:57:24 <majd> how to
11:57:32 <majd> auto run the nice interface
11:57:55 <ChrisMorgan> majd: which nice interface? The PortableApps.com Platform?
11:58:03 <ChrisMorgan> If so, that's done when you install it.
11:58:06 <majd> i mean the when i put my flashdisk on my computer auto pop up the interface of the programs and stuff
11:58:23 <majd> sorry for my bad english
11:58:29 <majd> but it dont :S
11:58:31 <ChrisMorgan> It's just that on certain systems it may be disabled, and on XP and Vista, it requires the user to specify "run the program from the disk"
11:58:34 <majd> maybe some proplems
11:58:34 <christianweiss> toucan is bad. it hangs, brake down, thinks keeepass.kdb is a folder, ...
11:58:52 <ChrisMorgan> Toucan is /not/ bad - it's just advanced.
11:59:17 <majd> how to do it auto run i am using win xp
11:59:28 <majd> i have done istall it
11:59:28 <ChrisMorgan> majd: you installed the platform?
11:59:32 <majd> yes
11:59:35 <christianweiss> autorun is not the problem, i have a good to to solve it
12:00:00 <majd> it dos not auto run for me
12:00:04 <ChrisMorgan> majd: Then if your system supports it, it will work. If not, try searching the internet for "USB autorun" or something like that
12:00:36 <christianweiss> autorun => use: usbdlm
12:00:39 <majd> aa i understand u mean like the virsu that autorun but make it for that exe portable ?
12:01:07 <ChrisMorgan> christianweiss: I think that you'll find that you can use the standard NSIS "silent" install option if you want it not to show the window. If you want it to backup automatically... remember it's not synchronization. It does a separate backup each time - that takes quite a while normall and guzzles space.
12:01:30 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: take over, doing a Bible reading now
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12:02:33 <majd> ok but the norml mode , is to run automaticly when i put the usb inside the computer ?
12:02:35 <christianweiss> ChrisMorgan: sorry i do not understand your post
12:03:04 <majd> ??
12:03:06 <christianweiss> i want to use a backup tool via command line
12:03:12 <christianweiss> in a batch file
12:03:27 <christianweiss> without GUI
12:03:45 <majd> help pls
12:03:51 <christianweiss> i do not need sync, backup is ok
12:04:20 <majd> help me to make autorun
12:05:04 <majd> the portableapps.com meanu do not auto run when i put my usb what to do /.?
12:05:34 <majd> anyone can help me ?
12:06:20 <christianweiss> majd: use usbdlm (www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm.html) it ensures that no unwanted files are executed
12:07:28 <christianweiss> Example:
12:07:28 <christianweiss> [Autorun]
12:07:28 <christianweiss> Open=StartPortableApps.exe
12:07:28 <christianweiss> Action=Start PortableApps.com
12:07:28 <christianweiss> Icon=StartPortableApps.exe
12:07:28 <christianweiss> Label=PortableApps.com
12:07:37 <majd> i have this file
12:07:51 <majd> Autorun.inf
12:07:56 <christianweiss> use usbdlm
12:08:09 <christianweiss> install it
12:08:15 <christianweiss> configure the ini file
12:08:17 <christianweiss> done
12:09:21 <majd> do you think that it may be my intevirus stop it becuse it is .exe ?
12:10:47 <christianweiss> this tool is secure, i scanned it with some anti virus and had good contact with the developer last time (good support)
12:11:48 <majd> what u mean by configure the ini file , i downlod it and open the rar file
12:11:51 <majd> what to do now ?>
12:12:36 <majd> USBDLM.exe this file dont open , error come out to me
12:12:38 <christianweiss> stop asking as long as you did not read the manual, please
12:13:14 <majd> sorry
12:13:44 <christianweiss> md c:\programm files\USBDLM_BETA\
12:13:44 <christianweiss> copy USBDLM_BETA c:\programm files\USBDLM_BETA\
12:13:44 <christianweiss> c:\programm files\usbdlm_BETA\usbdlm -install
12:15:08 <christianweiss> restart the service after you did changes to the ini file
12:15:39 <christianweiss> majd: are you german?
12:16:02 <majd> no
12:16:10 <majd> I am from palestine
12:16:24 <majd> u know it ?
12:16:29 <Bensawsome> majd: you want to fix your autorun file?
12:18:26 <christianweiss> what is the best portable backup tool? (not Toucan)
12:18:54 <majd> Bensawsome> yes i need
12:19:06 <Bensawsome> christianweiss the one that came with the menu
12:19:13 <majd> yes
12:19:18 <majd> the nice interface
12:19:47 <christianweiss> Bensawsome: no, no command line support
12:20:13 <Bensawsome> christianweiss: the best one that is portable is either toucan or the pam one so....
12:20:35 <Bensawsome> majd: To fix the Autorun and make it the portableapps menu one again just reinstall the base menu :)
12:20:40 <Bensawsome> here i give you a link to it
12:20:46 <christianweiss> and the 3rd best program?
12:21:04 <Bensawsome> :/ there isnt a 3rd best portable one.... or atleast that i know of :/
12:21:55 <majd> how to reinstall the base menu ?
12:21:55 <Bensawsome> majd: download this and install it to your usb drive and it should fix the autorun: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=portableapps&filename=PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.1.exe
12:22:00 <Bensawsome> that ;)
12:22:01 <Bensawsome> lol
12:22:12 <Bensawsome> majd: what it is is *just* the menu
12:22:20 <christianweiss> how can i use toucan to backup my keepass.kdb
12:22:20 <Bensawsome> no other apps except the menu
12:22:31 <Bensawsome> but it also includes the autorun.ini :D
12:23:11 <majd> i done downloding
12:23:15 <Bensawsome> christianweiss: hmmmmm I never really used toucan that much :/ I just know that it should be able to backup everything :/
12:23:21 <majd> i save in the usb drive abd run the install
12:23:36 <Bensawsome> ya just install it to the usb drive ^_^
12:23:51 <Bensawsome> hmmmm now christianweiss: lemme open toucan one sec
12:23:54 <majd> i will try to take the usb out and put again hop it work
12:24:03 <christianweiss> toucan thinks keepass.kdb is a folder, but it is a file => error
12:24:11 <Bensawsome> o_0
12:24:14 <Bensawsome> wow. wierd
12:24:23 <Bensawsome> lemme see what it does with mine
12:24:48 <majd> it dont auto run :S
12:24:53 <christianweiss> if this is the best program, ...oh my god
12:24:56 <majd> i install it in the usb driver
12:25:36 <Bensawsome> majd: then autorun is disabled on your computer :/
12:25:55 <Bensawsome> majd: is it your home computer?
12:26:14 <christianweiss> majd: your problem is not the stick or the software on your stick, your problem is windows (use USBDLM to solve it)
12:26:33 <Bensawsome> christianweiss: if it isnt his computer then he shouldnt enable autorun
12:26:48 <Bensawsome> whoever did it did it in good cause...
12:27:14 <majd> mayne my kaspersky have something to stop autoruns
12:27:24 <majd> ?
12:27:43 <Bensawsome> but majd: is it your computer you are trying it on?
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12:28:48 <m-p{3}> hi
12:29:06 <Bensawsome> hey m-p{3}, support
12:29:43 <m-p{3}> Man I hate working at 7am (GMT-5, currently 7:30)
12:30:08 <Bensawsome> :/
12:30:37 <m-p{3}> It's way to early for me :P
12:30:41 <m-p{3}> too*
12:31:35 <majd> yes my laptop
12:31:41 <christianweiss> majd: read "AutoRun works or does not" on http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html download this tool, too
12:32:02 <Bensawsome> ya you should be able to enable it.....
12:32:10 <Bensawsome> i just cant remember how :/
12:33:04 <christianweiss> this page solved all my problems (but i had to read a lot to understand what my problem was)
12:33:20 <Bensawsome> there we go :D
12:33:22 <majd> i remaber that i downlod a tool to stop autoruning stuff becuse it was a virus on my usb and each time i put he auto run my c driver
12:33:28 <Bensawsome> :/
12:33:58 <Bensawsome> majd: if you dont want to autorun just once, then hold down the shift key while you are pluggin the cd or usb drive in :)
12:33:59 <majd> so this tool will make me apply to autorun stuff again ?>
12:35:02 <Bensawsome> hmmm from what i read this one should :) http://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/autorunsettings.zip
12:35:12 <Bensawsome> its available a little down the page :)
12:38:19 <majd> i have to put the X on the driver that i want to autorun them ?
12:39:34 <Bensawsome> christianweiss: can you help him? i never used the software before :/
12:40:21 <majd> it works , but when i put the usb he ask me to chose a way to open , i chose the prtableapps and clokc ok then he open the interface
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12:41:31 <majd> windos too nub dont autorun it he ask me before "what to do want windos to do?
12:41:48 <majd> and i have to chose the startproableapps.com and click ok to open it
12:42:10 <majd> any way to avoid this screen and just opn the interface directly
12:42:47 <Bensawsome> majd: no there isn't...
12:43:02 <Bensawsome> that only works with cds
12:43:13 <Bensawsome> not with usb drives
12:44:05 <majd> this scren out to me when i put my usb
12:44:14 <m-p{3}> majd: It's a security feature to avoid installing something potentially dangerous on the system. Imagine if a spyware replaced the StartPortableApps.exe file, and was autorunning everytime you plugged it in a system?
12:44:33 <majd> hahaha :P
12:45:04 <majd> ok think everybody , and sorry again for my bad english
12:45:26 <majd> its my 3rd languish hope u understand all i say
12:45:30 <Bensawsome> no problem :) and i thought your english was really good :)
12:45:50 <majd> i may back her , for asking for more help xD
12:46:00 <Bensawsome> come back any time ^_^
12:46:09 <m-p{3}> I guess it could be possible to do a local launcher which would only launch the StartPortableApps.exe if it finds it on an external drive if the file checksum match the one saved on the system?
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12:46:12 <majd> my usb size only 2GB lol , want to buy biger size one :D
12:46:22 * ChrisMorgan is reading what's happened while he's been away
12:46:22 <Bensawsome> hmmm that could work
12:47:06 <m-p{3}> This way you could avoid launching a potentially insecure application when inserting it.
12:47:18 <majd> i wonder what will hapend if i put the startporatbleapps on a U3 cuzer usb , coz it alredy have interface !!
12:48:06 <Bensawsome> oh its fine
12:48:06 <m-p{3}> majd: U3 is going out of the market, I would purchase something else if they are more expensive than a normal USB thumbdrive.
12:48:28 <Bensawsome> and also you can put portableapps on a u3 drive
12:49:07 <Bensawsome> it wont interfere with anything ^_^
12:49:12 <Bensawsome> although i uninstalled u3 :/
12:49:27 <ChrisMorgan> majd: so yeah, your system does have it turned off as I said. You can turn it on, or, on one machine, you could run the PortableApps.com Autorun Utility thingy, I'll need to find it. It checks whenever you put in a USB drive for the PortableApps.com Platform and runs it without the bother of the Windows autorun stuff.
12:49:39 <Bensawsome> it was just annoying having it popup each time even when i disabled the autorun on it :/
12:51:35 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/13770
12:51:36 <ChrisMorgan> .title http://portableapps.com/node/13770
12:51:41 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: PortableApps.com AutoRun/AutoPlay Test 0.1 | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
12:51:51 <ChrisMorgan> majd: That's probably what you want.
12:51:57 <m-p{3}> One cool thing about the U3 drive is that people managed to use it as a bootable USB CD drive by injecting an ISO in it.
12:52:37 <ChrisMorgan> m-p{3}: you can do that on any USB drive. It's not all that hard, just some formatting.
12:52:52 <ChrisMorgan> Though most formatting tools won't let you do it as UFS (CD partition)
12:53:19 <m-p{3}> ChrisMorgan: My system doesn't allow to boot a system with a USB thumbdrive (old PC), but U3 simulate a USB CD drive and it works..
12:54:05 <ChrisMorgan> m-p{3}: I repeat what I say. It's the UFS partition which is the key. You can do it with some formatting tools.
12:54:20 <ChrisMorgan> Or with some low-level modifying ;-)
12:54:40 <ChrisMorgan> /dev/[usb] ;-)
12:54:43 <m-p{3}> ChrisMorgan: UFS eh? Maybe I need to read more. ;)
12:54:50 <ChrisMorgan> You do ;-)
12:55:02 <ChrisMorgan> Isn't it fun using this smiley after every line? ;-)
12:55:52 <m-p{3}> Indeed ;)
12:56:07 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
12:56:15 <ChrisMorgan> Come on someone, break it for us ;-)
12:56:31 <m-p{3}> please? ;)
12:56:43 <m-p{3}> My eye's stuck ;)
12:56:50 <majd> hehe ;)
12:56:52 <ChrisMorgan> :P ;-)
12:57:41 <majd> i will buy 16 GB U3 usb and put the portableapps.com on it :d
12:57:54 * ChrisMorgan kicks majd ... mwah hah hah! ... oh ok, I give up ... ;-)
12:58:01 <m-p{3}> ChrisMorgan: By UFS, do you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_File_System
12:58:09 <ChrisMorgan> no...
12:58:14 <m-p{3}> :P
12:58:17 <m-p{3}> sorry
12:58:32 <ChrisMorgan> um... whoops: ;-)
12:58:40 <majd> kick me :O?
12:58:57 <ChrisMorgan> majd: really, why would you go for a U3 drive when you can get better, cheaper ones, without pesky U3?
12:59:07 <christianweiss> majd: turn of windows autorun (see tools above), then use USBDLM to add an own autorun function to windows or waste your time with chatting
12:59:28 <ChrisMorgan> christianweiss: don't suggest things like USBDLM, please.
12:59:39 <majd> i prefer to waste time chating
12:59:43 <majd> :P
12:59:51 <ChrisMorgan> Just use the PortableApps.com AutoRun Test 0.1 - http://portableapps.com/node/13770
12:59:53 <christianweiss> ChrisMorgan: why
13:00:01 <majd> i do test it
13:00:39 <ChrisMorgan> Because it's a supported thing from us. Things like USBDLM are horrible hacky bits of software. And John T. Haller's one is much easier to use anyway :-)
13:01:05 <majd> Last drive : F , Palmfrom founded : Yes(almfrom lucnhed)
13:01:12 <m-p{3}> ChrisMorgan: What do you mean by UFS, got a Wikipedia article on it?
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13:01:35 <m-p{3}> If I can learn something new, I would gladly read it.
13:01:55 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, may have made a mistake in the name... finding...
13:02:42 <majd> who know Starcraft-brood war ?
13:03:12 <ChrisMorgan> majd: that's really off-topic, things like that should go in #portableapps-ot
13:04:00 <ChrisMorgan> m-p{3}: UDF I think I meant
13:04:12 <ChrisMorgan> .wik Universal Disk Format
13:04:16 <pabot> "The Universal Disk Format (UDF) is a format specification of a file system for storing files on optical media." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format
13:05:04 <m-p{3}> Oh
13:05:19 <m-p{3}> the UDF DVD specs?
13:05:26 <ChrisMorgan> ?
13:05:50 <majd> her only serious business ?
13:05:54 <ChrisMorgan> UDF is the format spec for CD partitions - the U3 partition is a UDF partition.
13:05:57 <ChrisMorgan> ?
13:06:00 <ChrisMorgan> majd: ?
13:06:01 <m-p{3}> It is considered to be a replacement of ISO 9660, and today is widely used for (re)writable optical media.
13:06:34 <ChrisMorgan> If you can put a UDF partition on a USB disk, you'll get on XP a proper CD-type autorun.
13:06:57 <ChrisMorgan> majd: what was that last thing you were talking about?
13:07:37 <majd> heh about buying new biger size usb :)
13:07:58 <ChrisMorgan> No, I mean the ast bit, "her only serious business"?
13:08:01 <m-p{3}> ChrisMorgan: alright, thanks for the info
13:08:27 <majd> hehe , nvm about it
13:08:45 <ChrisMorgan> ?
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14:06:01 <m-p{3}> *test*
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14:34:47 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
14:34:48 <JohnTHaller> hola
14:34:48 <Bensawsome> hey JohnTHaller :)
14:35:48 <pa_2823> can help me create an portbale application? I do not understand "A Field Guide Guerilla". Please help...
14:37:50 <JohnTHaller> pa_2823: what are you trying to do?
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14:39:01 <pabot> sar3th is testing pabot and is looking for someone he can help; he currently works on LyX Portable
14:39:21 <sar3th> hi all
14:40:25 <sar3th> .u
14:40:26 <pabot> sar3th: You gave me zero length input.
14:41:17 <sar3th> palogbot: uri?
14:41:17 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-02-10#T14-41-17
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14:45:26 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: FileZilla Portable 3.2.1: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-02-10_-_filezilla_portable_3.2.1
14:46:10 <pa_2823> I try make new portable app
14:46:35 <JohnTHaller> pa_2823: what app and what are you having trouble with?
14:47:04 <pa_2823> musicmatch jukebox
14:47:20 <JohnTHaller> have you learned NSIS enough?
14:48:16 <m-p{3}> JohnTHaller: Thanks for the release :D
14:48:31 <pa_2823> No much
14:49:08 <JohnTHaller> pa_2823: it helpes to learn some NSIS first at the moment. we're going to have a no coding required launcher within the next month that'll make it easier, though.
14:49:14 <m-p{3}> Looks like this worm is doing some damage since October : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conficker
14:49:28 <JohnTHaller> there are a couple unofficial launchers that can help like the portable app template in the forums
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14:52:26 <pa_2823> my problem is appdata folder
14:53:01 <JohnTHaller> what's the problem, moving stuff back and forth?
14:53:10 <pa_2823> ye
14:53:23 <pa_2823> like Firefox
14:53:32 <JohnTHaller> you can use the new appdata functions that oliver wrote (in the dev forums) to move files back and forth
14:53:44 <JohnTHaller> firefox uses a command line switch so it doesn't store its data in APPDATA
14:54:16 <pa_2823> Ah
14:55:17 <JohnTHaller> but if you're doing it yourself... you rename the existing APPDATA\MusicMatch to APPDATA\MusicMatch-Backup. then copy your settings from the USB drive locally. run it. when it closes, move the settings back. and the rename the local settings back. that's the basics of what you need to do in code.
14:55:55 <pa_2823> ok
14:56:25 <pa_2823> i try this
14:56:29 <pa_2823> thanks
14:57:23 <pa_2823> and reg changes?!
14:58:24 <pa_2823> or system files?
14:58:25 <JohnTHaller> check em out with regshot to monitor what changes
14:59:24 <JohnTHaller> and then do the same backup restore thing. we have lots of apps with code you can look at that do that like putty portable
14:59:35 <JohnTHaller> system files something like musicmatch shouldn't touch
15:01:37 <pa_2823> Thanks ! try your tips
15:02:30 <JohnTHaller> sure thing. just be sure if you want to distribute it, you only distribute the launcher and source, no music match in the package (they don't allow it)
15:03:32 <pa_2823> ok
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15:06:26 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
15:06:52 <ChrisMorgan> Missed an APPDATA support person by 4 minutes! :-(
15:07:05 <JohnTHaller> i got him. he's still learning so not quite ready yet
15:07:16 <ChrisMorgan> I saw - I read logs :D
15:07:23 * ChrisMorgan knows just about all that he thinks there is to know about APPDATA handling etc.
15:07:40 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: do you have the source code for the Java Portablizer?
15:07:54 * ChrisMorgan just made a Google Gears Portablizer - he'll upload it now
15:07:57 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Nope. I never released it.
15:08:16 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Hold off on that. I have a better way of doing it that I'm working on.
15:08:17 <ChrisMorgan> Nice tiny NSIS scripts - ~75KB :-)
15:08:26 <ChrisMorgan> What way?
15:08:28 <JohnTHaller> The PA installer can download it from Google for you
15:09:12 <ChrisMorgan> I'd thought of that, but would Google like that, sure you can put up the EULA but do they want it exclusively on their site? I think they probably do
15:09:50 <JohnTHaller> the way my flash plugin installer for FF works. i'm incorporating that code into the 0.11.2 installer release along with an md5 sum checker (for the download) and unzipping
15:10:17 <JohnTHaller> if they don't like it and block it, we can switch to pulling the local one. but the local one requires you to install it locally which requires admin rights
15:10:29 <ChrisMorgan> ok! btw, GearsSetup.exe is non-openable by 7z
15:10:37 <ChrisMorgan> "cannot open as an archive"
15:10:38 <ChrisMorgan> just tried
15:11:14 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon that it should start by checking $PROGRAMFILES\Google\Google Gears\Firefox
15:11:18 <ChrisMorgan> Then go online if needed
15:11:30 <JohnTHaller> it's not a real installer
15:11:41 <JohnTHaller> All google stuff uses a stub installer that downloads the actual installer.
15:11:44 <ChrisMorgan> It's very ... automatic
15:11:58 <ChrisMorgan> ? I don't think that's the case in GearsSetup.exe
15:12:07 <JohnTHaller> it is. i pulled it apart and looked at it
15:12:07 * sar3th thinks that google is evil
15:12:13 <ChrisMorgan> half a MB
15:12:36 <JohnTHaller> the full installer is 1mb and gets downloaded by that stuv
15:12:49 <ChrisMorgan> ok, you're the boss :D
15:13:01 <ChrisMorgan> Though I don't see at all why the downloader should be half a MB...
15:13:13 <ChrisMorgan> What file does it download, you've got that?
15:13:19 <JohnTHaller> it has google updater built-in which it can install along with all localiazations
15:13:42 <sar3th> do you know uniextract?
15:13:46 <ChrisMorgan> ah... that'd explain it
15:13:48 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: I do
15:14:00 <ChrisMorgan> I never use it really, 7z does for most things
15:14:13 <ChrisMorgan> I've got a copy of it though when I really need to get something...
15:14:22 <sar3th> me2 but sometimes it's quite helpful^^
15:16:11 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: just wondering, have you ever done any work on a PortableApps.com Format Checker?
15:18:21 <JohnTHaller> hmm... it looks a bit messy. it downloads an MSI. which can be pulled apart with msi2xml.
15:19:10 <ChrisMorgan> So how exactly are you analysing this stuff?
15:22:37 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: is your appdata workaround a copy&rename-solution?
15:23:09 <ChrisMorgan> No, it's a rename as much as is necessary, but inside the USB drive, and modify APPDATA and if necessary USERPROFILE so that it all works.
15:23:21 <ChrisMorgan> Thus if an app depends on the desktop, it's not a good solution :-(
15:23:28 <ChrisMorgan> But for many apps it's ideal.
15:23:56 <JohnTHaller> we won't do that for any apps that have a file-open or save
15:24:01 <JohnTHaller> as it'll break the box :-(
15:24:08 <JohnTHaller> dialog box that is
15:24:29 <ChrisMorgan> Inkscape, e.g., uses GTK+ open/save so it's ok
15:24:49 <ChrisMorgan> Unless you also create a folder inside the phony USERPROFILE called "Desktop" or the localised name?
15:24:53 <ChrisMorgan> Would that work?
15:25:20 <JohnTHaller> it does, but then it ism't the desktop as the user expects
15:25:31 <ChrisMorgan> Of course, ideally what you'd want would be to be able to cheat it into thinking \Documents is the desktop... :P
15:25:40 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it'd be a bit of a nasty shock!
15:25:41 <JohnTHaller> also you can't do it on an app that launches another app as it'd inherity the bad userprofile
15:26:13 <ChrisMorgan> I still haven't worked out why/how subcommander's SVN passwords evade APPDATA redirection...
15:26:21 <ChrisMorgan> Haven't tried much either :-(
15:26:38 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: so, have you ever done a PAF checker at all?
15:26:49 * ChrisMorgan hopes you say no - he's done a fair bit of one
15:27:20 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: nope, I haven't. only some of it can be auto-checked. but if you're doing one it'd be awesome. what are you writing it in?
15:27:35 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS, but it generates a full report in HTML and opens it
15:28:05 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: so you set change the environmet settings to point %USERPROFILE% to the USB-drive?
15:28:13 <sar3th> *set/change
15:28:18 <ChrisMorgan> Current source code (probably won't compile, good for looking at only): http://mibbit.com/pb/WGiQ1L
15:29:43 <ChrisMorgan> If an app uses the complex APPDATA method, then you need to have USERPROFILE set to anything, and APPDATA set to a subdirectory of it, which varies from system to system, and must be exact - XP English it's "Application Data", Vista English it's "AppData\Roaming", Vista German it's something horrible in German, etc.
15:29:59 <ChrisMorgan> But some apps just use %APPDATA%, in which case it's easy - just change %APPDATA%
15:30:22 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I put a note on the PAFInfo section in the full report saying that it may need checking, see?
15:31:03 <ChrisMorgan> And I'll put in a custom page to specify what the App name, short and long, portable and not, should be, and version and dev test/pr/official should be, and even check for dev tests whether they've got the right splash screen :D
15:31:37 <ChrisMorgan> "These are things which the PortableApps.com Format Checker can't check itself, and which may or may not require action. Please review them."
15:31:56 <ChrisMorgan> Need to change that to PAFChecker...
15:32:22 <JohnTHaller> looks like a good start, chris. may incorporate it into the installer generator or allow calling it before or something
15:32:46 <ChrisMorgan> That'd be good...
15:33:17 <ChrisMorgan> I was thinking also of a PAF barebones generator, give it the name, version etc. and it'll make the directories for you, set it up, etc.
15:33:18 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
15:33:20 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks :-)
15:33:26 <MaienM> quick question, is the latest version of regshot 1.8.2?
15:33:34 * ChrisMorgan shruts
15:33:36 <ChrisMorgan> *shrugs
15:33:38 <ChrisMorgan> .g regshot
15:33:41 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: http://sourceforge.net/projects/regshot
15:33:41 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: that'd be a great idea
15:34:11 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Oh, that's coming. Part of the generic launcher actually. You'll be able to do a whole portable app for general stuff without writing code using a simple wizard.
15:34:13 <MaienM> yea the latest version there is 1.8.2, just wondering since the last file was from over a year ago;)
15:34:13 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: sf is slow... but it seems so
15:34:27 <ChrisMorgan> ok then, I won't bother with it :-)
15:34:30 <ChrisMorgan> Just PAFChecker
15:34:35 <ChrisMorgan> Not a whole PAFTools suite :D
15:35:13 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: when an app has everything it can have, it dies because it's perfect... if you follow the logic :P
15:35:32 <MaienM> :P
15:35:41 <ChrisMorgan> But it is sadly true.
15:35:45 <MaienM> there is no such thing as perfect though ;)
15:35:56 <ChrisMorgan> winMd5sum is an example. It's got everything it can have.
15:36:07 <JohnTHaller> cept it stopped working on win9x
15:36:07 <sar3th> .g winMd5sum
15:36:09 <pabot> sar3th: http://www.nullriver.com/products/winmd5sum
15:36:12 <JohnTHaller> not that that matters much anymore
15:36:30 <MaienM> md5 is kinda.... pointless nowadays ;)
15:36:35 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: http://portableapps.com/winMd5SumPortable :D
15:36:43 <sar3th> :D
15:36:53 <Bensawsome> .... MaienM?
15:36:58 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how out of date is it, PAF-wise!? :P
15:36:58 <Bensawsome> why is it pointless
15:37:12 <Bensawsome> i wanna make sure people arent sending me bad stuff =_=
15:37:14 <sar3th> we should have a .pa <app> command to search the pa-site and return the first hit :D
15:37:16 <Bensawsome> anywho gtg
15:37:26 <JohnTHaller> it's also not multilingual
15:37:27 <MaienM> ah, that use of md5 xD
15:37:33 <JohnTHaller> wonder if anyone would wanna pick it up
15:37:43 <sar3th> sha!
15:37:49 <MaienM> I meant md5 for encrypting passwords, as done in php frequently ;)
15:38:04 <sar3th> SecureHashAlgorithm is the keyword
15:38:06 <ChrisMorgan> Bad idea... :P
15:39:46 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how's the platform 1.2 release coming along?
15:39:52 <ChrisMorgan> and the first alpha of 2.0?
15:40:27 <JohnTHaller> well, i've been basically down for the count for 2 weeks... hence the total lack of updates.
15:40:50 <ChrisMorgan> oh yeah... I'd forgotten about that, I guess we probably all have...
15:41:01 <ChrisMorgan> Are you just about better?
15:41:12 <JohnTHaller> had a nasty cold then got an upper respiratory infection. finally hit the doc on friday to get antibiotics. was feeling better sunday. then spent most of yesterday laying down with a severe migraine.
15:41:21 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
15:41:29 <ChrisMorgan> migraines aren't nice.
15:41:51 <JohnTHaller> yeah. feeling mostly better today. woke up a little after 6am and started working on filezilla and catching up.
15:42:36 <ChrisMorgan> Well here in Kolkata I haven't been sick beyond a touch of cold... and I escaped the 158-year-of-record-keeping record temperature in melbourne - 46.2 degrees Celcius... :o
15:42:54 <ChrisMorgan> After a heatwave with temperatures over 40 for four or five days...
15:43:13 <JohnTHaller> eww
15:43:17 <ChrisMorgan> Whereas here it was 20-30 all the time during the day :D
15:43:36 <ChrisMorgan> And now with bushfires started after that lot, about 200 people dead now, and fires still going.
15:44:14 <ChrisMorgan> Fires travelling under their own steam, at 100km/h, winds from the fires blowing rooves of and houses over, ouch.
15:44:23 <ChrisMorgan> small townships destroyed.
15:44:40 <ChrisMorgan> Not pretty.
15:44:55 <JohnTHaller> yeah, i read about those
15:46:24 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: can you be bothered commenting about hardware bundling at http://portableapps.com/node/17910 ? I've tried, and I think I've given up now...
15:47:03 <ChrisMorgan> It's not that easy. You've got to get the money before you can store it anywhere. And I doubt that they know just how much money is on the expenses side of the table.
15:47:35 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: any progress with freeware hosting and downloads.portableapps.com?
15:47:43 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, they don't. I've commented on it more than once. Don't know that'll help to do more.
15:47:53 <JohnTHaller> I have one picked, but funds are really tight
15:48:18 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. And the only way to get money is to spend it... *sigh*
15:48:29 <ChrisMorgan> And they seem to think that "only" having open source is /bad/!
15:48:31 <ChrisMorgan> :o
15:49:19 <JohnTHaller> well, we need to grow beyond open source to be fully successful
15:49:37 <JohnTHaller> but the platform, launcher, installer, etc will stay open source of course
15:50:03 <JohnTHaller> and we'll be doing mostly open source apps ourselves (licensing is easier, more inline with what we do)
15:50:16 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, I agree with all of that. Just open source is a good start though and easier to manage :-)
15:50:36 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: $11,000/month isn't it for PortableApps.com server?
15:50:53 <ChrisMorgan> Just wanting to say that it's /already/ in the thousands, for the main traffic only...
15:51:03 <JohnTHaller> Current server is $1,000 a month with no downloads
15:51:13 <JohnTHaller> our current bandwidth if it was on our current host would be about $20,000
15:51:25 <ChrisMorgan> ok, $1,000
15:51:36 <ChrisMorgan> I thought you said somewhere $11,000 for PA.c?
15:51:41 <ChrisMorgan> ah well, not so impressive :P
15:51:47 <ChrisMorgan> What is the current host?
15:52:00 <JohnTHaller> $12,000 a year for hosting. then digital certs and some other stuff.
15:52:05 <JohnTHaller> RackSpace
15:52:33 <JohnTHaller> (they're basically the top-rated in the world)
15:52:39 <ChrisMorgan> ah, per year, that'd be it.
15:52:49 <MaienM> is regshot supposed to give differences even if you haven't done anything inbetween? (like, doing two shots right after each other)
15:53:09 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: When stuff is running on windows, some minor keys will be updated between runnings
15:53:17 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: unavoidable
15:53:34 <MaienM> k:)
15:53:35 <sar3th> MaienM: yes it is ;)
15:58:33 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how's this comment: http://portableapps.com/node/17910#comment-111085
15:59:26 <ChrisMorgan> Jimbo, Ed_P, Gimmick, they all miss the point :-(
15:59:29 <MaienM> from the field guide: "Useful Entry: HKU\S-1-5-21-1060284298-823518204-725345543-1003\Software\Texas Instruments\TI Connect\StartUp\" "# HKU: You can ignore these."
15:59:33 <ChrisMorgan> We all do to a certain degree.
15:59:41 <MaienM> thats kinda conflicting with each other isn't it? :P
15:59:53 <sar3th> MaienM: it is
16:00:07 <ChrisMorgan> That's the other HKU bits, he's already relegated HKU\S-1-2-34-5678910-1112131415-1617 to HKCU
16:00:20 <ChrisMorgan> But yeah, you're right :P
16:00:34 <ChrisMorgan> I noticed that a couple of days ago, but can't be bothered correcting it :P
16:01:11 <MaienM> so HKU keys like that, which are software specific, should NOT be ignored?
16:01:23 <ChrisMorgan> HKU should not be ignored.
16:01:48 <ChrisMorgan> The HKU\S-yh408y075045742865720936 bit is HKEY_CURRENT_USER
16:02:14 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: comment is fine
16:02:14 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: simple question to your script: wouldn't it be more useful to perform a FindProc to the launchexecutable from the ini file?
16:02:21 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: thanks :-)
16:02:36 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: huh?
16:02:48 <ChrisMorgan> What's that got to do with my script?
16:02:53 <ChrisMorgan> AppDataRedirect.nsh I presume you mean
16:03:05 <ChrisMorgan> oh, the check if it's running?
16:03:08 <sar3th> no, InkscapePortable.exe
16:03:11 <sar3th> *.nsi
16:03:14 <ChrisMorgan> Not needed - that may vary
16:03:20 <ChrisMorgan> hmm... /me digs it up...
16:03:23 * ChrisMorgan goes to bed soon
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16:04:16 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: line?
16:04:35 <ChrisMorgan> The CreateMutex?
16:04:49 <ChrisMorgan> If so, that checks for InkscapePortable, not Inkscape, and that's intentional
16:04:56 <sar3th> 171
16:05:18 <sar3th> oh line number's wrong sry
16:05:20 <sar3th> w8
16:05:42 <sar3th> line 176
16:06:37 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: checking for a local copy running, not the portable one which might be inkview.exe
16:06:46 <ChrisMorgan> I should add a check for inkview.exe
16:06:48 <sar3th> ah okay
16:06:49 <ChrisMorgan> as well
16:06:59 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what do you think of my table structure at http://portableapps.com/development/test/status?
16:07:39 <JohnTHaller> too many entries per app make it more confusing. may as well just go with a UL than a table
16:08:31 <JohnTHaller> i'm thinking a UL may be better at this point anyway. easier to edit
16:08:35 <ChrisMorgan> Could be, I'd still like the highlighting though :-)
16:08:40 <ChrisMorgan> Easieer to edit, yes
16:08:50 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: added a couple of lines of code in for ya :-)
16:09:05 <sar3th> =)
16:09:05 <ChrisMorgan> Now that bit is: FindProcDLL::FindProc "inkscape.exe"
16:09:06 <ChrisMorgan> StrCmp $R0 "1" WarnAnotherInstance
16:09:09 <ChrisMorgan> FindProcDLL::FindProc "inkview.exe"
16:09:11 <ChrisMorgan> StrCmp $R0 "1" "" DisplaySplash
16:09:24 <ChrisMorgan> And I uncommented the WarnAnotherInstance label
16:09:29 <ChrisMorgan> so that should work better :-)
16:09:40 <ChrisMorgan> thanks for that, even if it wasn't what you intended :P
16:09:51 <ChrisMorgan> goodnight all
16:09:53 * Bensawsome says pastebin
16:09:55 <Bensawsome> lol
16:09:56 <sar3th> sleep well
16:09:58 <Bensawsome> nite ChrisMorgan :)
16:10:21 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I've often thought that the Drupal Project module would be a better solution for all our project management - http://drupal.org/project/project
16:10:38 * ChrisMorgan gets away before the wrath of JohnTHaller is turned upon him :P
16:11:04 <ChrisMorgan> But really, it could be a better solution than these forum topics and dev/test and dev/test/statuses...
16:11:15 <ChrisMorgan> But a D6 version is not quite ready yet
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16:11:31 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't bother using CVS with it though... SVN or nothing!
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16:30:06 <sar3th> which plugins are required for PortableApps.comInstaller.nsi again?
16:31:12 <JohnTHaller> findproc
16:31:18 <JohnTHaller> think tjhats it
16:32:00 <sar3th> i have a error when compiling
16:32:09 <sar3th> Invalid command: MoreInfo::GetProductName
16:32:10 <JohnTHaller> what
16:32:14 <JohnTHaller> oh yeah
16:32:16 <JohnTHaller> moreinfo plugin
16:32:24 <sar3th> k
16:32:47 <sar3th> it's not in the list of required plugins, adding it would be useful ;)
16:32:53 <JohnTHaller> yeah
16:33:03 <JohnTHaller> hadn't tried it yet. gonna be a moot point shortly
16:41:38 <sar3th> hooray! managed to compile w/o errors!
16:43:26 <sar3th> hell, installer integrity check failed..wtf
16:47:48 <sar3th> 95mb for the installer...now that's horrible!
16:48:30 <JohnTHaller> what are you making an installer for?
16:48:34 <sar3th> LyX
16:48:49 <sar3th> including MiKTeX
16:48:51 <JohnTHaller> and that's what's in your APP and OTHER directories. It compresses as much as LZMA allows (the best algorithm)
16:49:06 <sar3th> yeah i know..it's painful though
16:49:10 <JohnTHaller> Only 7zip would be better but can't be directly integrated
16:49:20 <JohnTHaller> how big is it installed?
16:49:58 <sar3th> =-O 300mb
16:50:09 <JohnTHaller> yeah, that's why
16:50:44 <sar3th> oh noez
16:50:51 <sar3th> it dies because it lacks python
16:51:18 <sar3th> have to amend PATH iirc
16:51:44 <JohnTHaller> doable in the launcher
16:51:53 <sar3th> yes
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16:52:27 <sar3th> hi pa_3275, can we help you somehow?
16:53:08 <pa_3275> Hi
16:53:12 <pa_3275> Anybody know of any audio player (audio only) which hosts a cover of the album?
16:53:23 <pa_3275> portable
16:54:11 <sar3th> i don't.. JohnTHaller, do you?
16:54:22 <JohnTHaller> vlc will do album art, but it's media library is clunky
16:54:33 <JohnTHaller> songbird portable does it all but it can be slow on many drives
16:54:51 <JohnTHaller> (it's a pre-release at http://portableapps.com/development/test
16:55:21 <JohnTHaller> i mean development test: http://portableapps.com/node/17000
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17:02:44 <sar3th> okay, LyX launches but MiKTeX isn't found :(
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17:07:55 <pa_8388> help!
17:09:08 <sar3th> hi pa_8388, what's your problem
17:09:38 <pa_8388> Hi, I've tried to install 2 different apps, with both negative result
17:09:52 <pa_8388> However, FireFox did install sucessfully
17:09:52 <sar3th> which apps?
17:10:01 <pa_8388> Pidgin & 7zip
17:10:27 <sar3th> what happened? did you have a error message?
17:10:58 <pa_8388> Extract: error writing to ...
17:11:16 <pa_8388> I tried several times, with different files on the place of the dots
17:11:47 <Bensawsome> pa_8388: your disk isnt full?
17:11:55 <Bensawsome> (usb drive i mean)
17:11:59 <pa_8388> No it isn't
17:12:19 <pa_8388> I've plenty of space for both apps
17:12:39 <Bensawsome> it may be the usb drive isn't good then..... you may try reformatting it... but make sure to back it up first cause it will erase all your data
17:12:57 <pa_8388> I will try reformatting right now
17:13:08 <Bensawsome> ok but back it up if you have anything important on it ;)
17:13:31 <pa_8388> What maybe good to know is, that I have already had PA running half a year ago or something on the same USB device
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17:15:09 <pa_8388> Is FAT the standard file system for USB sticks?
17:15:17 <Bensawsome> how big is the u sb drive?
17:15:18 <Bensawsome> *usb
17:15:31 <pa_8388> The USB drive has a capacity of 128MB
17:15:35 <sar3th> FAT32, yes
17:15:43 <pa_8388> FAT32? Not FAT?
17:15:47 <Bensawsome> you want fat32
17:15:53 <pa_8388> Okay, will do
17:16:03 <pa_8388> Might be the problem?
17:16:14 <Bensawsome> no it should be
17:16:18 <Bensawsome> *shouldnt
17:17:51 <pa_8388> Hmm, still the same error
17:18:29 <Bensawsome> hmmm then i think the usb drive is screwed up :/
17:18:43 <pa_8388> It has worked before... :S
17:18:59 <Bensawsome> well thime has passed... time is not a friend to electronics ;)
17:19:01 <Bensawsome> lol
17:19:02 <Bensawsome> *time
17:19:10 <excid3> pa_3275, can you write other files to the drive?
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17:19:44 <pa_8388> Hmm, I don't think it is possible that is is the fault of my USB device
17:20:09 <excid3> pa_8388, can you create files on the drive yourself?
17:20:19 <pa_8388> Let me try...
17:20:57 <pa_8388> It does let me create a .txt file on it, yes.
17:21:16 <excid3> hmmm
17:21:22 <pa_8388> Hmm, after formatting, even FireFox won't install
17:21:27 <excid3> is the PortableApps folder set to read-only by chance?
17:21:35 <excid3> that is odd
17:21:41 <JohnTHaller> check the drive for errors
17:22:38 <pa_8388> @ excid3 : It is set as read-only for the files in that folder
17:22:53 <pa_8388> @ JohnTHaller: I already let Windows Vista do that for me...
17:23:04 <JohnTHaller> is it NTFS formatted?
17:23:09 <pa_8388> No
17:23:11 <pa_8388> FAT32
17:23:37 <JohnTHaller> can you install Firefox Portable to say your C drive and use it?
17:23:51 <excid3> pa_8388, try removing the read-only from that folder
17:24:26 <pa_8388> excid3: doesn't work
17:24:33 <excid3> :\
17:24:34 <pa_8388> @JohnTHaller: Let me try...
17:25:35 <JohnTHaller> i've gotta run... but if it works on other locations (like C) but not on your drive it's a drive issue. which could be: hardware failing on the drive, issue with the USB port or a software issue within Vista itself. other devs, please carry on support
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17:26:38 <pa_8388> To test JohnTHaller's solution, I need to quit this FireFox window
17:26:45 <pa_8388> Brb
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17:28:19 <sar3th> welcome back. did it work?
17:28:21 <pa_8388> Back ; FireFox Portable starts when installed on my C-drive
17:29:00 <excid3> hmmm
17:29:12 <sar3th> then it's not an error of the portable app
17:29:13 <excid3> this is an interesting problem
17:29:19 <sar3th> i guess
17:29:41 <pa_8388> Well, I noticed something else now aswell...
17:29:55 <sar3th> yes?
17:29:56 <Bensawsome> have you tried the usb drive in a different port?
17:30:13 <pa_8388> When I plug the device in, Windows Vista pops up a window asking me that there might be an error on the drive
17:30:20 <pa_8388> It wants to check possible errors
17:30:27 <excid3> you should do that
17:30:35 <Bensawsome> yep
17:30:37 <pa_8388> I did that twice
17:30:45 <pa_8388> Without result
17:30:49 <Bensawsome> have you tried the usb drive in a different port?
17:30:56 <pa_8388> Ben, let me try the ports on the backside of my PC
17:30:59 <Bensawsome> kk
17:32:03 <excid3> pa_8388, vista didnt say anything about what the error is?
17:32:34 <pa_8388> Oh, it found a problem now when I clicked to scan the drive again
17:33:18 <excid3> thats good
17:33:39 <pa_8388> Oh, no, Bill Gates trapped me... :(
17:33:49 <pa_8388> Portable Apps doesn't work now anymore
17:33:52 <Bensawsome> pa_8388: get a mac ;)
17:33:53 <Bensawsome> lol
17:33:53 <excid3> quick, throw money at him! :P
17:34:01 <pa_8388> I have a Mac aswell :P
17:34:06 * Bensawsome high fives pa_8388
17:34:08 <Bensawsome> :D
17:34:10 <pa_8388> Haha
17:34:13 <pa_8388> iMac G4
17:34:16 <pa_8388> uuh
17:34:17 <pa_8388> G5
17:34:21 <Bensawsome> pa_8388 so it does the same thing on the back ports?
17:34:27 <pa_8388> Yes
17:34:43 <Bensawsome> hmm then yes it is a hardware error... you gonna have to get a new one it looks like :/
17:34:55 <pa_8388> Oh c'mon
17:35:00 <pa_8388> How could it have ever worked?!
17:35:32 <Bensawsome> well eventually a usb drive does fail just like any other peice of equipment...
17:35:39 <excid3> pa_8388, try it on another computer if you can
17:36:00 <excid3> but ive had flash drives go bad, one of mine acted like it was a floppy drive, and PNY refused to fix it :(
17:36:14 <pa_8388> Hmm
17:36:20 <pa_8388> Weird ****
17:36:34 <Bensawsome> but ya there is nothing to do except get the company to fix it or buy a new one :/
17:36:48 <pa_8388> It was a free one :P
17:36:59 <Bensawsome> lol
17:37:02 <pa_8388> The money is not the problem
17:37:18 <pa_8388> I just don't get this...
17:37:30 <excid3> does OSX detect any problems with the drive?
17:37:52 <excid3> ive gotta go sorry pa_8388 i couldnt help much :(
17:37:53 <pa_8388> My G5 is for sale ;)
17:37:53 <Bensawsome> oh! dude! osx has a much better disk checking utitliy
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17:38:00 * Bensawsome wants to buy it!!!!
17:38:04 <pa_8388> Thanks for the help
17:38:05 <Bensawsome> lol past that point...
17:38:08 <Bensawsome> pa_8388 wait
17:38:13 <pa_8388> Okay
17:38:15 <Bensawsome> go to your mac
17:38:23 <Bensawsome> open up disk utilty
17:38:25 <pa_8388> It's not connected anymore
17:38:29 <Bensawsome> oh :/
17:38:36 <Bensawsome> ok :/
17:38:42 <pa_8388> I don't really bother actually
17:38:51 <sar3th> can you try a manual chkdsk /f then?
17:39:04 <pa_8388> How do I do that?
17:39:08 <sar3th> 1. find out your drive's letter
17:39:12 <sar3th> example g:
17:39:25 <sar3th> 2. press Windows+R
17:39:36 <sar3th> run dialog box appears
17:39:53 <sar3th> 3. type in "chkdsk /F g:" (without "")
17:40:06 <sar3th> hit enter and wait for checkdisk to finish
17:40:44 <pa_8388> Rofl, it was so quick, I couldn't read the result
17:40:52 <sar3th> then start a cmd
17:40:57 <sar3th> and type it there
17:41:24 <pa_8388> There are no props found
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17:41:50 <sar3th> weird stuff
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17:54:38 <pabot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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18:11:15 <pa_2264> hi all
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18:11:34 <sar3th|delphi> hello, pa_2264, how can we assist you?
18:12:12 <pa_2264> I'm fairly new to portableapps, but was wondering if it is possible to alter the sequence of application in the menu?
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18:14:16 <Bensawsome> pa_2264: you mean like change the order of the apps?
18:14:37 <pa_2264> indeed. I want to set my favorite ones on top
18:14:47 <Bensawsome> no you cant currently :/
18:14:56 <Bensawsome> they making that in a future release
18:15:04 <pa_2264> a folderstructure would be nice also
18:15:09 <Bensawsome> they making that in a future release
18:15:10 <Bensawsome> ;)
18:15:14 <pa_2264> ok thanx.
18:15:23 <Bensawsome> no prob
18:15:45 <pa_2264> this answer helps me reducing looking for the solution :-)
18:16:27 <Bensawsome> well you really should search the forums before asking :/
18:17:24 <pa_2264> ok, you are right. But I was looking in the support area
18:18:18 <pa_2264> I thought this was such a straightforward question that it would be mentioned in the featurelist
18:19:07 <sar3th|delphi> it would be if it was a feature ;)
18:19:15 <pa_2264> what about a personal question about the use of portable apps
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18:20:07 <pa_2264> yeah right sar3th :-)
18:20:30 <pa_2264> I currently using U3 on my cruzer ultimate
18:21:31 <pa_2264> but I do not find it userfriendly for adding apps like GIMP (not U3 supported)
18:21:56 <sar3th|delphi> the first thing i did to my cruzer was uninstall u3
18:22:12 <pa_2264> My precious experience with portableapps (on older and slower stick) was good.
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18:22:35 <pa_2264> Is portableapps smoother and quicker?
18:22:48 <pa_2264> precious was ment as previous..
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18:24:46 <sar3th|delphi> well, idk, i didn't want the u3 suite messing with my pcs everytime i plug the stick in
18:26:12 <pa_2264> ok, thanx for the answers I will browse the forums now...
18:26:17 <pa_2264> bye
18:26:32 <sar3th|delphi> bye
18:28:18 <pa_2264> last question if you don't mind... I can't find a portable webserver... any idea's?
18:29:03 <JohnTHaller> xampp
18:29:12 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/apps/development/xampp
18:29:18 <JohnTHaller> full portable development environment
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18:29:28 <pabot> SteveLamerton is the developer of Toucan and a moderator on PortableApps.com as well as one of its longest serving members, so show some respect ;)
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18:30:22 <Mensur> Hi John how did you get the idea to create PortableApps?
18:31:03 <pa_2264> you guys are great... thanx all. I will remove U3 and proceed with pa!!!
18:31:16 <JohnTHaller> happened in the mozillazine forums back in march 2004 when someone thought the new -profile switch for firefox might let you carry it around with you
18:34:32 <Mensur> Was the name PortablApps your first choice? Or did you maybe have another name. Maybe Portable SmartDrive
18:34:56 <JohnTHaller> portableapps.com was my first choice
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18:37:28 <TimClark> Hello All :D
18:37:53 <sar3th|delphi> hi TimClark
18:38:09 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: http://portableapps.com/node/17954#comment-111097 notes user id to deal with
18:38:10 <pa_2264> bye, I'm leaving, left.. gone....
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18:38:15 <Mensur> Is it allowed to recommend softwares for Applications website?
18:38:23 <TimClark> Hello sar3th|delphi
18:39:01 <TimClark> Mensur: you mean apps you would like to see made poratble?
18:40:19 <TimClark> Mensur: if so, see here: http://portableapps.com/node/4507 Un-official Request Apps Guidelines
18:42:05 <Mensur> I did discover a IM Messenger. It is called emesene It looks like a Pidgin / Amsn Hybrid. And on wikipedia it says that it is licensed under the GNU General Public License It is already a portable version
18:42:35 <MaienM> hello TimClark
18:42:44 <Mensur> for the computer and USB Flash Drive
18:42:50 <TimClark> MaienM: Hello
18:42:52 <JohnTHaller> we only list apps in portableapps.com format. and we're opening up the format to outside developers now
18:42:58
18:43:29 <Mensur> I dont know much about
18:43:37 <Mensur> Did not try it
18:44:01 <JohnTHaller> many apps have portable versions but thety're often zips, which are difficult to upgrade (you have to manually delete some files but not others and then unzip new ones), don't store data in a common place (all PAF apps use Data which works with out backup utility), many don't adjust paths for most recently used files, etc as you move PCs. and many leave registry keys or files in APPDATA or TEMP
18:44:04 <Mensur> On the Screenshots it looks cool
18:44:24 <TimClark> sar3th|delphi: Just so you know, what ever symbol you had between "Works and "? did not come out right, it looks like a question mark in a diamond
18:44:44 <MaienM> it is the tm symbol
18:44:50 <sar3th|delphi> yes
18:45:11 <Mensur> I was just be friendley
18:45:12 <TimClark> might be best to avoid coded symbols in IRC
18:45:30 <sar3th|delphi> want UTF8 <3
18:46:11 <JohnTHaller> this one work? ™
18:46:11 <Mensur> Strange that some people still use U3 Launchpad
18:46:16 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: your came out correctly
18:46:17 <sar3th|delphi> for me, yes
18:46:34 <JohnTHaller> Mensur: it's bundled. and the u3 apps are artificially tied to it
18:47:19 * TimClark hides as it does see some value in U3
18:48:00 <Mensur> Any new beta of new future PortableApps Menu?
18:48:20 <JohnTHaller> the only real value is the password protection, which on the lower end drives is marketed in a less than honest drives. and on the high end is the same as you can get on other encrypted drives
18:52:45 <Mensur> PortableApps is much better and easy
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18:58:10 <Bensawsome> JohnTHaller: the password protection isnt that good anyways...
18:58:42 <JohnTHaller> on the high end drives it's supposed to be hardware encrypted
18:58:47 <TimClark> Bensawsome: it works just fine for the average user and you know it
18:58:52 <JohnTHaller> on the normal drives, it isn't. but it's marketed the same
18:59:09 <JohnTHaller> simply reset it and you can unerase any files you want
18:59:13 <Bensawsome> if the computer you gonna use it on is off, and you plug a u3 drive in the computer before you turn it on, then turn it on... it doesnt ask for a password :/
18:59:25 <Bensawsome> and i tested it... its true unfortunately :/
18:59:32 <JohnTHaller> which drive, Bensawsome
18:59:46 <TimClark> I wish folks did not feel we need to defend our selves by putting down the u3 password stuff
18:59:47 <Bensawsome> my u3 drive
19:00:12 <sar3th|delphi> tc>all
19:00:13 <TimClark> Bensawsome: only if you unloced it first, then rebooted
19:00:29 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: it's not defending. just pointing out that it's insecure and marketed with some deception
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19:00:47 <JohnTHaller> most people think it is secure... as in actually secure.
19:00:53 <JohnTHaller> not like hiding a file secure
19:01:00 <TimClark> it is just fine for the average user, and it is what they ask for
19:01:45 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: 99% of users who come here think it is secure as in actually secure. it's not. and they need to be aware of that
19:01:46 <TimClark> Most of us just want the average snoop kept out, not the CIA or FBI, or an uber Geek
19:02:12 <JohnTHaller> you don't have to be an ubergeek. anybody with minimal knowledge can get the stuff off a u3 drive
19:02:15 <Bensawsome> all you need is an average google user.... and they can get into your files ;)
19:02:47 * TimClark does not want to get into a heated debate
19:03:40 <JohnTHaller> tim, it's basically no more secure than marking a folder as hidden. sure the average user can't see it then. but anyone with moderate tech expertise can get at it
19:03:57 <JohnTHaller> the average user can't find hidden files
19:04:35 <sar3th> dir /a:h
19:04:45 <JohnTHaller> i said average user
19:04:58 <Bensawsome> XD
19:05:02 <TimClark> But when do you need it, most folks are worried that they will lose their drive and someone might see stuff, not that someone is going to reset the drives and then go around using undelte tools
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19:05:50 <pabot> markomlm is the developer of the PortableApps.com Updater; OpenOffice.org Portable and the head of the German translation team
19:05:55 <JohnTHaller> same way the average user can't find files. average user also doesn't know to reset and then use their fav undelete tool: http://www.google.com/search?q=undelete
19:06:00 <TimClark> Hello markomlm :D
19:06:14 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: sure. so just hide the files. same thing. 95% of users won't find em
19:06:48 <markomlm> hello @all
19:07:01 <JohnTHaller> hi markomlm
19:07:06 <TimClark> not the same john , not the same, but let us agree to disagree
19:07:08 <Mensur> When I did have U3 I did have many problems
19:07:34 <markomlm> :-) one moment I have to update pa updater database ;-)
19:07:56 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: Why not? The standard install of XP/Vista/etc will show the drive as blank. 99% of users leave it like that.
19:08:06 <Mensur> Thanks so much John for creating PortableApps
19:08:51 <TimClark> The standard install of XP/Vista/etc, will not even let you into the drive w/o the password
19:09:13 <Bensawsome> lol you can easily get around it :/
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19:09:26 <TimClark> It's one layer of security that we don't offer, but it's a good start, we don't have to put it down
19:09:49 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: security by obscurity sold as actual security to anyone is dangerous
19:09:51 <TimClark> Bensawsome: no you can't NOT lol
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19:10:25 <TimClark> we have had many times when folks have said they just want a damn password, they don't want or need encryption
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19:11:02 <JohnTHaller> right. so i'm gonna add that. with a BIG HONKING WARNING if a user chooses to enable it.
19:11:09 <EJ631> May I ask a quick question?
19:11:21 <sar3th> yes
19:11:22 <JohnTHaller> EJ631: sorry, didn't see you there. what can we help you with?
19:11:23 <TimClark> of course EJ631
19:12:27 <EJ631> Hi John. Excellent programs. I recommend them to everyone. I'm just trying to find the area on the website that indicates O/S version compatibility.
19:12:39 <EJ631> with the different apps, that is.
19:13:45 <JohnTHaller> each app has a download details section which includes the list of operating systems supported
19:13:47 <EJ631> it's driving me nuts, cause I've seen it before
19:13:58 <JohnTHaller> all apps have to support windows 2000/xp/vista in order to be listed at all
19:14:08 <EJ631> ohhhhh ok, that's how I've seen it. Thanks and keep up good work!
19:14:10 <JohnTHaller> a few also support windows 9x but they are dwindling
19:14:23 <JohnTHaller> sure thing
19:14:31 <EJ631> g'day!
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19:15:33 <TimClark> My PortableApps run perfectly fine on my U3 drives. They just give me a layer of proctection that I don't have without them. For us to be good does not mean out competitors need to be evil
19:15:44 <TimClark> that was a mistake :O
19:16:12 <TimClark> i did not mean to enter that, it was left in the bar from before sorry
19:16:24 <TimClark> I am will to drop the topic
19:16:54 <JohnTHaller> educating people on technical realities is important. that's why we start educating people who ask for a 'password' thinking it makes anything secure. sure, there is some value in the low-end u3 drive approach... but not being clear what it is to the end user is dishonest and dangerous
19:17:39 <MaienM> sorry to interrupt, but I wanted to look at the source of the launcher of xchatportable, but the installer is down.... any chance anyone can pastebin it for me?
19:17:41 <TimClark> As i said, i did not mean to enter the above and am willing to let it go
19:17:50 <Bensawsome> MaienM: AGAIN?????
19:17:57 <Bensawsome> damnit patrick... fix your site :/
19:18:05 <Bensawsome> one sec MaienM i upload it to my server -_-
19:18:12 <MaienM> ty Bensawsome
19:18:32 <Bensawsome> ^)^
19:18:35 <MaienM> btw, any of you ever heard of "The Mana World"?
19:19:14 * sar3th is afk
19:19:33 <Bensawsome> err actually i have it on mediafire MaienM... one sec
19:19:50 <MaienM> brb
19:20:01 <Bensawsome> that will be qwuicker then trying to find it among my 2,000,000+ files XD
19:21:45 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: topic "Increased spam..." UNbumped
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19:23:40 <TimClark> Time for lunch guys, see you all around the neighborhood :D
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19:33:59 <MaienM> back
19:34:19 <MaienM> damn, freenode is being bad with all the netsplits lately :(
19:37:51 <MaienM> Bensawsome: you still there?
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20:37:34 <problems> heya
20:37:44 <JohnTHaller> hi
20:37:45 <problems> could some op please kick me (=sar3th)?
20:37:51 <problems> pc froze
20:39:09 <problems> whois will show that it's me
20:39:22 <MaienM> problems: I see you have the nickname registered, so you can do "/msg nickserv ghost USERNAME PASSWORD"
20:39:36 <problems> ah thx
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20:40:04 <MaienM> :)
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20:40:37 <sar3th> games crash when my fans don't run at max speed
20:41:24 * sar3th is playing again...
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20:50:42 <ZachThibeau> howdy all
20:50:44 <ZachThibeau> back
20:50:49 <KevinPorter> Afternoon ZachThibeau. :)
20:50:58 <ZachThibeau> twas away at a wake
20:51:10 <ZachThibeau> lasted nearly a good part of the day
21:00:22 <Bensawsome> MaienM! omg do you still need xchat? ><
21:00:36 <MaienM> would be nice :P
21:00:44 <Bensawsome> lol i needed to go do work stuff :/
21:01:59 <Bensawsome> MaienM: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ejeqmkzgqdy
21:02:16 <MaienM> ty Bensawsome :)
21:02:44 <Bensawsome> ^_^
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21:12:50 <rmccue> 'morn.
21:13:15 <Bensawsome> 'ftern rmccue ;)
21:13:16 <Bensawsome> lol
21:13:35 <rmccue> ...
21:13:44 <Bensawsome> how r ya rmccue ;)
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21:15:47 <rmccue> Feeling better.
21:16:12 <Bensawsome> good :)
21:17:33 <KevinPorter> You're up early aren't you rmccue? ;)
21:18:58 <Bensawsome> .t rmccue
21:18:59 <pabot> Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:21:09 AEST
21:19:01 <Bensawsome> lol
21:19:03 <Bensawsome> ya
21:19:53 <rmccue> KevinPorter: Yeah, before school.
21:20:07 <Bensawsome> ah ok
21:20:08 <Bensawsome> XD
21:20:12 <KevinPorter> Heh.
21:21:40 <rmccue> Anyway, gotta run, catch y'all later.
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21:27:24 <TimClark> Hello All :D
21:28:08 <KevinPorter> Afternoon TimClark. :)
21:29:00 <TimClark> KevinPorter: hello to you to and Bensawsome and ZachThibeau of course :D
21:32:56 <sar3th> re
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21:55:38 <TimClark> So, KevinPorter , anything good happening with you ?
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22:06:54 <pabot> chrisroby is blah, is blah, developer of blah blah, he likes blah, and blah, but not pink blah, or blah waffles, so blah :p
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22:07:23 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
22:07:37 <chrisroby> bighead?
22:07:40 <gluxon> :D
22:07:42 <gluxon> Yep
22:07:59 <chrisroby> can you explain this?
22:09:14 <sar3th> rejoin, brb
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22:09:49 <pabot> sar3th is looking for someone he can help; he currently works on LyX Portable
22:12:31 <gluxon> chrisroby: I'm smart :P That's all :P
22:12:44 <Bensawsome> pffft
22:12:49 * Bensawsome laughs
22:13:01 <gluxon> BTW, does anybody know a parameter that makes Powerpoint open a file in Full Screen?
22:13:09 <Bensawsome> lol jk ;)
22:13:13 <gluxon> I'm desparate for an answer!!!! :P
22:13:15 <Bensawsome> i thought F5
22:13:24 <Bensawsome> oh!
22:13:29 <sar3th> q8
22:13:32 <sar3th> *w8
22:13:46 <Bensawsome> you mean like open powerpoint.exe-OPENFULLSCREEN
22:13:51 <Bensawsome> that kind of thing?
22:14:22 <sar3th> POWERPNT.EXE /s "%1"
22:14:33 <sar3th> try it
22:14:44 <Bensawsome> there we go ^_^
22:14:58 <Bensawsome> sar3th: what about opening the file though >_>
22:15:12 <sar3th> replace %1 with filename & path
22:15:29 <Bensawsome> oh there ya go ;)
22:16:39 <chrisroby> gluxon: you are!?
22:16:59 <gluxon> Yep
22:17:10 <gluxon> OKay, so that'll work?
22:17:16 <gluxon> OPENFULLSCREEN?
22:17:19 <gluxon> I'll try it.
22:17:45 <sar3th> gluxon: powerpnt.exe /s "Path with spaces.ppt"
22:17:52 <gluxon> Thanks.
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22:18:12 <sar3th> found in registry
22:18:26 <sar3th> tell me if it works please :)
22:20:24 <gluxon> It won't allow spaces :(
22:21:05 <sar3th> woot?
22:21:43 <gluxon> So C:\Program(SPACE HERE!!!) Files won't work
22:21:56 <sar3th> ak
22:22:12 <gluxon> Wait... Let me try something else...
22:22:30 <sar3th> "C:\Program files\blah\Powerpnt.exe" /s "file in path with spaces"
22:22:51 <sar3th> always wrap paths with spaces neatly in ""
22:23:17 <gluxon> I'm going to launch it with NSIS instead of the Run thingy
22:26:29 <gluxon> Nope, no worky :(
22:26:51 <sar3th> how do you call ppt?
22:27:05 <sar3th> paste the command pls
22:28:11 <gluxon> ?
22:28:12 <gluxon> Oh
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22:28:59 <gluxon> '"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\POWERPNT.EXE" /s "M:\Documents\School\Social Studies\Inca.ppt"'
22:29:39 <gluxon> WAIT HOLD ON!!!! IT WORKED!!!
22:29:51 <sar3th> =)
22:29:58 <gluxon> Thanks bud :P
22:30:07 <sar3th> no problem :)
22:30:10 <sar3th> .def dar3th
22:30:11 <pabot> sar3th: I have no idea who or what dar3th is.
22:30:16 <sar3th> .def sar3th
22:30:17 <pabot> sar3th: sar3th is looking for someone he can help; he currently works on LyX Portable
22:30:34 <gluxon> LyX Portable?
22:30:49 <gluxon> .g LyX
22:30:50 <sar3th> yes
22:30:51 <pabot> gluxon: http://www.lyx.org/
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22:31:07 <gluxon> A word processor? :P
22:31:23 <sar3th> useful for presentations and stuff
22:31:26 <gluxon> What do you need help on?
22:31:52 <sar3th> right now on nothing, i'll tell you when i need some
22:32:21 <sar3th> however, i'm looking for people that need help in order to help them ;)
22:34:57 <gluxon> Okay, I owe you, okay?
22:35:01 <gluxon> :P
22:35:05 <sar3th> =D
22:37:38 <gluxon> It's kind of sad, I'm working harder on the special effects than the actual thing :P
22:38:13 <sar3th> which app are you on?
22:41:22 <gluxon> AkelPad Portable
22:41:29 <gluxon> It currently sucks though.
22:41:34 <sar3th> .g akelpad
22:41:36 <pabot> sar3th: http://akelpad.sourceforge.net/
22:41:38 <gluxon> :P
22:42:01 <sar3th> looks like notepad
22:42:14 <sar3th> why would you need powerpoint for that?
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23:05:21 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
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23:09:55 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
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23:52:45 <gluxon> b right back
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23:59:09 <JacobMastel> Hi all how's it going?