IRC Log from 2009-02-17

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00:09:26 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
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00:09:44 <JohnTHaller> hola
00:09:45 <SergentSiler> hello JohnTHaller
00:09:51 <KevinPorter|food> Hi JohnTHaller. :)
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00:09:59 <JohnTHaller> how goes the happenings in the room of chatting?
00:10:21 <KevinPorter> Been relatively silent.
00:10:44 <Roamer> daBomb69 needs help with NSIS, he's still waiting afaik
00:10:50 <JohnTHaller> what kinda help?
00:12:31 <Roamer> just said he needed help editing NSIS. That's all I know.
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00:19:25 <daBomb69> oh, hello Mr. Haller
00:19:44 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: GIMP Portable 2.6.5: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-02-16_-_gimp_portable_2.6.5
00:19:47 <daBomb69> that was probaly a rather late greeting
00:19:48 <JohnTHaller> hi, what's up?
00:20:09 <daBomb69> i need some help! *please*
00:20:39 <JohnTHaller> with what?
00:22:39 <daBomb69> NSIS Script, I'm trying to make a Blue Griffon portable (Basicaly just KompoZer only a bit better and i dont think even out of early beta yet), and I was trying to figure out, could I just edit the KompoZer NSIS script, and move around the program files, to run the Blue Griffon program instead?
00:23:46 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Same app should work the same way.
00:24:03 <daBomb69> ok, thnx
00:24:10 <JohnTHaller> Though you may need some more of the local host file checking from FF3 since I think Blue Griffon is based on it
00:24:23 <daBomb69> Oh, ok.
00:24:27 <JohnTHaller> (like it may leave behind a PROFILES folder locally whereas KompoZer doesn't)
00:25:01 <Havvy> Blue Griffon is actually considered unstable by the developers.
00:25:21 <Havvy> "Don't use this product unless it is for testing purposes"
00:25:27 <Havvy> or some similar warning
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00:25:54 <daBomb69> ok
00:25:58 <pa_pa> Hello
00:26:03 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it's far too early for anyone to use it for anything important :-)
00:26:10 <JohnTHaller> hi pa_pa, how can we help you?
00:26:29 <pa_pa> Thanks for the warm reply john
00:26:41 <pa_pa> This has probably been asked before :/
00:26:46 <Havvy> It isn't even in alpha yet, blue friffon
00:26:55 <daBomb69> oh
00:26:55 <pa_pa> but does portable apps work on apple machines?
00:27:24 <pa_pa> Does pa work on mac os?
00:27:35 <JohnTHaller> pa_pa: Yes and No. It will launch under parallels... but like everything in parallels, it runs slowly.\
00:27:47 <JohnTHaller> But it is a Windows app since most PCs you encounter out and about will be Windows
00:28:01 <pa_pa> Ok
00:28:07 <pa_pa> Thank you
00:28:27 <pa_pa> uhh what do you mean by parallel?
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00:30:03 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
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00:30:47 <daBomb69> pa_pa, Parallel is a software program that is designed to allow you to run your windows apps on a mac
00:31:04 <Bensawsome> there is mac portableapps... just not made by our site
00:31:10 <daBomb69> Basicaly like WINE for Linux.
00:31:11 <Bensawsome> lemme get you a link
00:31:25 <pa_pa> uhhh wine im familiar with
00:31:34 <pa_pa> i meant ahhh
00:31:34 <Bensawsome> no it is nowhere near wine :/
00:31:43 <pa_pa> Wine is superior?
00:31:46 <Bensawsome> parralels is basically a vm
00:32:05 <daBomb69> Same difference, they are both an emulator, right?
00:32:08 <JohnTHaller> I'm not sure there is an updated build of Wine for Mac
00:32:12 <Bensawsome> ya
00:32:19 <JohnTHaller> WINE = Wine is Not an Emulator :-)
00:32:20 <Bensawsome> pa_pa
00:32:22 <Bensawsome> http://www.freesmug.org/portableapps/
00:32:28 <Bensawsome> those are mac portableapps
00:32:37 <daBomb69> Ok, fine, a layer
00:32:38 <Bensawsome> they have alot of the same ones we have
00:33:20 <pa_pa> Thank you; you guys are good; hopefully they will have vlc
00:33:30 <daBomb69> Does anyone know if there is a difference between Parallel and Crossover?
00:33:44 <Bensawsome> yewp they do pa_pa ^_^
00:33:55 <Bensawsome> daBomb69: parelels emulates the whole windows os
00:34:09 <Bensawsome> crossover just runs individual apops
00:34:16 <JohnTHaller> parallels is an emulator like VMWare
00:34:18 <Bensawsome> it doesnt need the whole os
00:34:20 <pa_pa> Yay lol thanks everyone
00:34:22 <JohnTHaller> crossover is wine rebranded
00:34:41 <daBomb69> thanks for clarifiying that.
00:34:42 <JohnTHaller> wine isn't an emulator... it translates windows API calls to native ones so it is much faster than an emulator
00:34:48 <daBomb69> oh
00:35:14 <JohnTHaller> that's why portableapps run so well under wine on linux
00:35:37 <daBomb69> Oh:)
00:35:48 <JohnTHaller> ok, must eat dinner... back later
00:35:58 <Bensawsome> and now im off to learn visual basic XD cya guys
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00:36:24 <pabot> chrisroby is blah, is blah, developer of blah blah, he likes blah, and blah, but not pink blah, or blah waffles, so blah :p
00:36:56 <Roamer> Bensawsome: You need to go to bed now. Especially if VB looks like "a good idea"... lol
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00:38:04 <Bensawsome> Roamer its a class im taking and the only programming one htey offered :/
00:38:14 <daBomb69> Does anyone know if it's legal to use Thinstall to make an app portable?
00:38:28 <Bensawsome> ya
00:38:40 <Bensawsome> and if you have it.... your copy is prbly illegal too
00:38:55 <Bensawsome> it costs thousands of dollars :/
00:39:06 <chrisroby> to thinstall?
00:39:09 <chrisroby> i think not
00:40:53 <daBomb69> thnx 4 answers
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00:41:27 <chrisroby> thinstalling doesnt really make the app portable anyway...
00:41:35 <daBomb69> It doesnt?
00:41:46 <chrisroby> it will leave registry entries behind
00:41:54 <Bensawsome> oh im sry i meant that it is illegal XD
00:42:33 <daBomb69> Oh, ok then. And, with the illegal part, does it actually mess with the source code, or is it just like a wrapper?
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00:45:33 <chrisroby> the source code shouldn't change...
00:45:48 <daBomb69> mhmm
00:45:52 <daBomb69> tnx
00:45:59 <daBomb69> thnx, i mean
00:46:37 <chrisroby> yup
00:47:20 <daBomb69> Is there a way to make WINE portable?
00:47:35 <chrisroby> bensawsome: did you translate that stats page yet?
00:47:35 <KevinPorter> Nope.
00:47:47 <Bensawsome> chrisroby: huh?
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00:48:11 <daBomb69> :-(
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00:50:22 <chrisroby> bensawsome: you were trying to translate an irc stats page that was dutch on ircstats.info
00:51:17 <Bensawsome> oh ya
00:51:22 <Bensawsome> im still working on it
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00:52:52 <chrisroby> fun
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01:01:23 <SergentSiler> peer strikes again D:
01:02:23 <daBomb69> Does anyone know if there's a way to make it so that when you hit the explore/documents/pictures/music/video they open with Xenon File Manager Portable instead of Windows Explorer?
01:04:26 <chrisroby> youd have to mess with the coding of the menu... a lot
01:04:38 <daBomb69> oh
01:04:53 <daBomb69> guess i'll just stick with Explorer
01:09:47 <daBomb69> in the Firefox 3 source folder, could i deleate all of the extra language .nsh files? I only speak english, so everythin else is compleatly useless to me.
01:09:59 <daBomb69> oh, and its firefox portable
01:10:43 <Havvy> You should be able to
01:10:52 <Havvy> If not, just reinstall the portable
01:11:28 <daBomb69> kk, thanks
01:12:40 <daBomb69> Are all Firefox add-ons portable?
01:13:29 <Roamer> most, yes.
01:14:03 <daBomb69> great!!!!:-D
01:14:31 <Bensawsome> most... there are a select few that arent
01:15:05 <Roamer> very few though, mostly the odd ones.
01:15:18 <daBomb69> oh, like?
01:15:47 <Roamer> there is a photoshow one that is not portable.
01:15:54 <daBomb69> oh, kk
01:16:02 <Roamer> That's the only one I know of acctually, lol
01:16:26 <daBomb69> would cutemenus be portable, cause it sorrta messes with the hole right-click thing inside of Firefox?
01:16:54 <Roamer> It should be.
01:17:03 <daBomb69> kk, awesome
01:17:06 <daBomb69> :-D
01:18:12 <daBomb69> how would you tell if a program left regestry stuffs?
01:18:35 <chrisroby> use regshot
01:18:59 <chrisroby> it checks if any registry entries were created or modified
01:19:06 <daBomb69> oh
01:19:21 <daBomb69> is there a portable version of Regshot?
01:20:44 <daBomb69> nvm on that question, i found one
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01:46:09 <ZachThibeau> back y'all
01:46:17 <chrisroby> hey
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01:49:17 <JacobMastel> Hi all
01:49:18 <KevinPorter> Hi JacobMastel. :)
01:49:38 <JacobMastel> How's it going?
01:49:56 <KevinPorter> Not so bad if you don't mind homework.
01:50:01 <JacobMastel> lol
01:50:04 <JacobMastel> I did that friday night :P
01:50:39 <KevinPorter> As you can tell, I didn't. :P
01:51:05 <JacobMastel> Duh :P
01:51:25 <JacobMastel> Any one else notice that lifehacker is getting more and more adds :(
01:51:37 <ZachThibeau> howdy JacobMastel
01:51:45 <JacobMastel> Hi ZachThibeau
01:52:18 <ZachThibeau> I am terribly tired from work
01:52:23 <Roamer> JacobMastel: I noticed that... AdBlock plus can solve that... too bad i can't use firefox or ffpe at school. :(
01:52:41 <JacobMastel> Roamer: yeah but then it just has weird empty spaces.
01:53:08 <JacobMastel> It wasn't so bad at first but now between the huge pictures and random blue adds it's quickly becoming a very ugly site :(
01:54:06 <Roamer> there is an art extension that just puts different art there... is intresting...
01:54:20 <JacobMastel> Weird :P
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01:59:15 <JacobMastel> You know that you're a control freak when you use apps like TaskBar Shuffle :P
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02:04:55 <pabot> kai_62656 is here. He's developing LMarbles, Lincity-NG, WinHTTrack Website Copier, Gourmet, and NVDA Portable.
02:05:02 <JacobMastel> Hi kai_62656
02:05:07 <kai_62656> hello
02:05:08 <SergentSiler> ohai kai_62656
02:05:17 <Roamer> hi kai_62656
02:05:24 <kai_62656> hi SergentSiler, Roamer
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02:13:06 <chrisroby> ohaithar kai_62656
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02:15:44 <SergentSiler> lol
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02:22:23 <ZachThibeau> anyways brb guys shower time :)
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02:23:16 <JacobMastel> Yay I'm in charge! :D Grovel before me!! :D :P
02:23:23 <chrisroby> haha
02:23:29 <chrisroby> yeah right
02:23:44 <chrisroby> voice means nothing
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02:24:41 *** TimClark (i=8087e3dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c13af4309b63cfbf) has joined #portableapps
02:25:06 <TimClark> Hello All :D
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02:25:08 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
02:25:20 <JacobMastel> Hi TimClark'
02:25:25 <chrisroby> hey TimClark
02:25:39 <TimClark> Hi JacobMastel , how's the Groveling going :P
02:25:47 <JacobMastel> Not well :(
02:25:51 <JacobMastel> :P
02:25:52 <TimClark> Hello chrisroby
02:26:19 <excid3> hello
02:26:35 <TimClark> Hi excid3
02:27:18 <excid3> hey TimClark how goes it?
02:27:36 <TimClark> It goes fine ty :)
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02:33:22 <ZachThibeau> howdy TimClark
02:34:04 <TimClark> Hello ZachThibeau :)
02:34:13 <ZachThibeau> whats new :)
02:34:51 <TimClark> Nothin :-( , just doing updates
02:35:02 <ZachThibeau> ok
02:35:14 <ZachThibeau> will time for some command and conquer :)
02:35:16 <ZachThibeau> later
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02:35:50 <TimClark> I guess he is referring to a game, ... I hope :O
02:36:01 <chrisroby> yes
02:36:05 * TimClark puts up shields, just in case :O
02:36:29 <chrisroby> its a real time strategy game
02:36:36 <Roamer> TimClark: no, he's starting on his "take over Canada" plan. :P
02:36:56 <TimClark> What take over, just give it too him :P
02:37:12 * TimClark really likes Canadians :D
02:37:29 <Roamer> lol
02:38:03 <TimClark> It's the Australians you have to look out for :O
02:39:22 <chrisroby> good thing rmccue isnt here to hear this...
02:40:27 <TimClark> Well, he could see it in the logs of course, which, as I said, i why you have to look out for him :P
02:41:37 <TimClark> All Hail Ryan, \o/ Lord of the IRC , Oh great Mccue, do not harm us :O
02:41:55 <chrisroby> lol
02:42:06 <excid3> man pidgin is dying/dead on my computer :(
02:42:22 <Roamer> TimClark: true. lol
02:42:24 <TimClark> There, that should sate him for a while, at least till Bensawsome wakes up and we can sacrifice him :O
02:42:53 <TimClark> excid3: any idea what the problem is ?
02:43:18 <JacobMastel> TimClark: Did gluxon fix his comp?
02:43:29 <JacobMastel> TimClark: Yeah pidgin just crashes a lot
02:43:37 <TimClark> Have not heard JacobMastel ?
02:43:43 <JacobMastel> I have not :(
02:43:54 <excid3> TimClark, i think its stemming from upgrading from Ubuntu hardy to intrepid
02:44:06 <excid3> i just installed the latest 64 bit debs and that killed it completely
02:44:07 <TimClark> I, sorry, I mean, I have not heard, ? ? ?
02:44:12 <JacobMastel> Oh lol
02:45:15 <TimClark> Ah , yes excid3 , i see
02:45:19 * TimClark says as if he knows what he's talking about
02:45:24 <excid3> ;)
02:45:32 <excid3> im going to switch distros pretty soon i think
02:45:58 <JacobMastel> TimClark: Don't you love IRC it's the only place you can speak in third person :P
02:45:59 <TimClark> Oh, yeah, sure, sounds like a great idea, I like discos
02:46:06 <excid3> :D
02:46:09 <TimClark> :P
02:46:14 * JacobMastel groans
02:46:16 * excid3 starts listening to the BeeGees
02:46:44 * Roamer drowns out the BeeGees with Fall Out Boy!
02:46:52 <TimClark> ok, guys, sorry excid3 , i no nothing about this stuff
02:47:02 <excid3> haha TimClark its all good :P
02:47:08 <JacobMastel> *know :P
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02:50:53 <JacobMastel> hmm
02:50:58 <JacobMastel> How long was I dropped?
02:51:17 <TimClark> less then 1 minute
02:51:34 <JacobMastel> K...
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02:58:00 <DaveDixonII> TimClark: Hello. :)
02:58:16 <JacobMastel> He's alive! :D
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02:59:54 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
03:00:04 <JacobMastel> Hi ZachThibeau
03:00:18 <ZachThibeau> howdy
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03:07:49 <JacobMastel> Hi Oni-Neoxes
03:07:58 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello
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03:18:07 <TimClark> Hi All, sorry, I was gone, we have groceries to put away, will try to be back later, PatrickP|Away Wake Up ! :P
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03:37:34 <JacobMastel> Bensawsome & Anyone else that cares: Stickies Dev Test 5 is out
03:37:35 <JacobMastel> http://portableapps.com/node/17596
03:42:43 <JacobMastel> Is anyone else here alive?
03:43:18 <Scriptdaemon> Define "alive."
03:43:19 <daBomb69> Perhaps...
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03:44:09 <WastePuree> ohai
03:44:09 <JacobMastel> lol
03:44:11 <JacobMastel> Hi WasteP
03:44:23 <WastePuree> Sup, JacobMastel.
03:44:38 <JacobMastel> I'm bored..But just updated Stickies portable :D
03:45:13 * Bensawsome eats stickies
03:45:22 <JacobMastel> Bensawsome: ??
03:45:22 * Bensawsome then eats JacobMastel's arms
03:45:29 <JacobMastel> I thought you liked the program
03:45:29 <Bensawsome> im hungry
03:45:32 <Bensawsome> im hungry
03:45:34 <Bensawsome> ^_^
03:45:41 <JacobMastel> :(
03:45:52 <JacobMastel> Maybe you'll actually report on this one since you ate it :P
03:45:54 <WastePuree> Hmm. I'm in Windows right now. I should actually update FF Portable from 2.0.0.14
03:48:47 <Bensawsome> JacobMastel: its nice and crunchy with a slight after taste of glue ;)
03:48:58 <JacobMastel> :S
03:49:01 <Bensawsome> lol
03:49:02 <JacobMastel> RAWRRRR
03:49:06 <Bensawsome> theres ur report ;D
03:49:11 <JacobMastel> Not what I meant!! :O
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03:49:15 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
03:49:15 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
03:49:27 * JacobMastel :'( at Bensawsome's hopelessness
03:50:29 <Bensawsome> lol
03:50:35 <Bensawsome> wow pabot had a burp
03:50:50 <JacobMastel> PeaZip 2.5 should be release tonight...
03:50:54 <JacobMastel> :d
03:50:56 <JacobMastel> :D
03:50:57 <Bensawsome> lol
03:52:10 <JacobMastel> I can't wait until freeware is supported...Stickies will be the first out :D
03:52:24 <SrgSiler|sAFK> JacobMastel: in your dreams :P
03:52:29 <Scriptdaemon> Not if I do Revo Uninstaller faster.
03:52:36 <Bensawsome> lol
03:52:42 <JacobMastel> SrgSiler|sAFK: No I won't be dead by then I'll be 73 :P
03:52:49 <Bensawsome> JacobMastel acutally i just realized mac os x has a built in stickies app >_>
03:52:52 <JacobMastel> Scriptdaemon: I already told John :P
03:52:56 <JacobMastel> :O
03:53:01 <JacobMastel> Heathen!!
03:53:02 <Scriptdaemon> Hax.
03:53:05 <JacobMastel> Blashphemer!!!
03:53:07 <Bensawsome> lol
03:53:10 <SrgSiler|sAFK> XD
03:53:15 <Bensawsome> so now i usually use that :/
03:53:28 * JacobMastel & his Marines buddies declair war on Bensawsome
03:53:41 * Bensawsome eats them
03:53:44 <Bensawsome> ^_^
03:53:52 <JacobMastel> & the C4??
03:53:57 <JacobMastel> Good BOOM!!!!!!
03:53:58 <JacobMastel> :P
03:54:32 <Scriptdaemon> How long ago did Zach say he'd get NSIS up? >:(
03:55:01 <Bensawsome> XD
03:55:06 <Bensawsome> JacobMastel: no just the people
03:56:13 <JacobMastel> Bensawsome: No more cannibalism
03:56:20 <Bensawsome> lol
03:56:21 <Bensawsome> damn >_>
03:56:37 * Bensawsome gets cannibalism withdrawal
03:56:40 <Bensawsome> lol
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04:08:30 <Mir> i cant seem to get rid of -adult
04:08:32 <Mir> >:|
04:08:38 <Mir> nothing happens there
04:08:57 <Mir> drink a drugs and sex and rock and roll are talked about here
04:09:05 <Bensawsome> ...
04:09:51 <Bensawsome> lol nice Mir.... the only reason it hasnt Dropped yet is because of my bot in there >_>
04:10:27 <Mir> and gizzy
04:10:43 <Bensawsome> that too
04:10:54 <Bensawsome> speaking of....gizzy... i havent seen him in a while >_>
04:11:03 <Bensawsome> .seen GizmoKid2005
04:11:04 <pabot> Bensawsome: I last saw gizmokid2005 at 2009-02-13 23:38:34 UTC on #portableapps-ot
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05:01:45 <alpha1beta1> hello
05:04:22 <alpha1beta1> http://listen.grooveshark.com/
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06:23:51 <ZachThibeau> morning rmccue
06:28:45 <rmccue> Afternoon.
06:28:45 <ZachThibeau> tis true for you and mudlord :)
06:28:45 <ZachThibeau> as both of you are aussies :D
06:28:45 <rmccue> .t
06:28:45 <pabot> Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:28:28 AEST
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06:28:45 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
06:28:45 <ZachThibeau> night all
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07:25:00 <pabot> upnPAD wants Code::Blocks, Inkscape, XChat, X-Moto, and Chris Morgan Portable. His website is http://www.upnpad.com/.
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07:25:09 <pabot> MaienM is MaienM, and thats all. He has no idea what to put here, so.... hi!! Love him or hate him, it's your choice.
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07:26:12 <MaienM> ath?
07:26:14 <MaienM> *wth?
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07:42:05 <TimClark> Hello rmccue :D
07:42:25 <rmccue> HOLA SENOR!
07:42:57 <TimClark> I translate that as meaning greeting LP
07:43:39 <TimClark> Just stopping by, all is quiet I take it ?
07:44:08 <rmccue> Im #portableapps, nichts neues.
07:44:19 <TimClark> Danke
07:44:30 <rmccue> Im Western, nichts neues.
07:44:34 <TimClark> /translation Thanks
07:45:07 <TimClark> As you appear to be drinking I guess I will go
07:45:12 <rmccue> "Im Western, nichts neues" is the original German title of "All Quiet on the Western Front"; it means "Nothing new on the western front"
07:45:43 <TimClark> yes, rmccue , I know, but most people would not
07:45:57 <TimClark> Good night all
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07:46:15 <rmccue> Auf Wiedersprechen.
07:46:26 <rmccue> Mein Führer.
07:51:51 * TaffinF|Homework shoots rmccue
07:51:59 <rmccue> NEIN!
07:52:47 <TaffinF|Homework> i just finished reading Elli at school, and its a little disturbing
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07:58:00 <TaffinF|Homework> hi Scriptdaemon
07:58:09 <Scriptdaemon> Hello.
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08:36:53 <upnPAD> hrm
08:37:02 <upnPAD> would the best way of transferring my usb to a larger usb
08:37:11 <upnPAD> be creating a backup through the PA menu
08:37:32 <upnPAD> then installing the base pa menu on the new usb and restoring the backup?
08:40:01 <rmccue> I'd personally use Toucan to sync them.
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11:16:49 <SteveLamerton> And thus the log bot was returned
11:21:47 <DelphiWorld> SteveLamerton: what's about my script ?
11:22:36 <SteveLamerton> DelphiWorld: What about it? Did you look at the other apps to see what folder structure the installer expects?
11:23:27 <DelphiWorld> SteveLamerton: sur!
11:23:43 <DelphiWorld> i get that from the symplistic Sumatra PDF application
11:23:55 <DelphiWorld> installer work fine
11:24:04 <DelphiWorld> but launcher not compiled
11:25:33 <SteveLamerton> What was the error?
11:25:54 <DelphiWorld> only the string
11:26:23 <SteveLamerton> Can you paste it here please?
11:26:40 <DelphiWorld> ok
11:27:05 <SteveLamerton> Thanks :)
11:27:22 <DelphiWorld> no problem
11:28:15 <DelphiWorld> http://www.loncarek.de/downloads/ApplicationPortableTemplate.nsi
11:28:21 <DelphiWorld> this is the original template
11:29:40 <SteveLamerton> OK, do you have the plugins is says at the top of the page, you can get them here: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Category:Plugins
11:30:16 <DelphiWorld> Error:
11:30:17 <DelphiWorld> Error: unterminated string parsing line at C:\JAWSPortable\other
11:30:17 <DelphiWorld> \Source\JAWSPortable.nsi:234
11:30:17 <DelphiWorld> Error in script "C:\JAWSPortable\other\Source\JAWSPortable.nsi" on
11:30:17 <DelphiWorld> line 234 -- aborting creation process
11:32:17 <SteveLamerton> Ahhh ok, in your sourcecode is there a quote mark at the end of that line?
11:33:01 <DelphiWorld> in each line ?
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11:33:50 <DelphiWorld> this is the line:
11:33:51 <DelphiWorld> VIAddVersionKey /LANG=${LANG_ENGLISH} "ProductName" "${LONGAPP} Portable"
11:35:04 <SteveLamerton> What do you have on line 27? the line that says !define APP ""
11:35:25 <DelphiWorld> ok
11:35:51 <DelphiWorld> !define APP "JAWS" ; insert application name, e.g. "TestApp"; this one is used for the final executable an in the directory structure
11:36:20 <SteveLamerton> And then on line 28?
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11:37:14 <SteveLamerton> Does it just say !define LONGAPP "${APP}"
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13:06:11 <onestoploser> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/14/Most-Common-Source-of-Calories-in-US-is-LOADED-With-Mercury.aspx
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13:59:35 <sar3th|linux> hi @all
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14:42:56 <onestoploser> Coffee and doughnuts. Awwww yeaaaahhhh...
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15:01:27 <onestoploser> Hello ZachThibeau
15:01:52 <ZachThibeau> howdy onestoploser
15:02:27 <onestoploser> Did you get my pm yesterday?
15:03:00 <ZachThibeau> yup
15:03:07 <ZachThibeau> sounds like a bug in the front end
15:03:20 <onestoploser> Just thought I'd let you know.
15:03:51 <ZachThibeau> ty you should of reported it in the forum though ;)
15:04:03 <onestoploser> Sorry. I was in a hurry.
15:04:05 <ZachThibeau> that way I could keep a better track on it :P
15:04:20 <onestoploser> I can post it there now if you want.
15:04:27 <ZachThibeau> :) be great
15:04:43 <onestoploser> I'll take care of it. ;)
15:04:46 <ZachThibeau> awesome
15:05:35 <ZachThibeau> I've been playing some NFS Hot Persuit 2 :D
15:05:41 <ZachThibeau> good ol game :)
15:09:58 <sar3th|linux> =D
15:10:06 <onestoploser> GBA?
15:10:11 <onestoploser> I like Mother 3.
15:10:49 <ZachThibeau> onestoploser: nope pc :P
15:10:57 <onestoploser> lol
15:11:02 <sar3th|linux> luckily launchy works on linux :)
15:11:28 <onestoploser> I've been playing a game on Linux lately, but I can't remember what it's called...
15:12:02 <onestoploser> FreedroidRPG
15:12:06 <sar3th|linux> KPatience :-D
15:12:10 <onestoploser> Tux roleplaying FTW
15:12:33 <onestoploser> Kmahjongg is one of the best games ever made.
15:12:55 <ZachThibeau> I play the gnome version of mahjongg :)
15:13:25 <ZachThibeau> anyways nfs time :D
15:13:31 <sar3th|linux> hf ;)
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15:13:52 <sar3th|linux> i'm going to kill xchat developers
15:14:02 <onestoploser> xchat=FAIL
15:14:07 <sar3th|linux> they translate service messages like "is now known as"
15:14:28 <onestoploser> KVIrc FTW
15:14:43 <onestoploser> Nice and portable, and nowhere near as buggy as xchat
15:15:00 <sar3th|linux> onestoploser: i use it under win as well, so it's quite nice to have the same client ;)
15:15:18 <onestoploser> KVIrc works on Windows too. :P
15:15:27 <onestoploser> That's what I'm using right now.
15:15:37 <onestoploser> On my Windows computer at work.
15:15:40 <sar3th|linux> .g KVIrc
15:15:42 <pabot> sar3th|linux: http://www.kvirc.net/
15:16:52 <onestoploser> I use KVIrc at home on Linux too.
15:17:41 <sar3th|linux> i'll have a look at it
15:17:47 <onestoploser> :D
15:17:53 <sar3th|linux> thx for telling me :)
15:19:00 <onestoploser> No problem
15:19:59 <Bensawsome> kvirc sucks
15:20:02 <Bensawsome> xchat ftw\
15:26:59 <sar3th|linux> for starters it won't work at 1st try :P
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15:38:47 <onestoploser> Why won't it work?
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15:45:56 <sar3th|linux> idk doesn't connect..anyway, no time to test it atm
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16:07:03 <pabot> SteveLamerton is the developer of Toucan and a moderator on PortableApps.com as well as one of its longest serving members, so show some respect ;)
16:07:08 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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16:07:50 <ZachThibeau> howdt rkm
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16:11:12 <pabot> sar3th is working on LyX portable
16:11:33 <sar3th> heya hey
16:16:24 <DaveDixonII> .o twitter wescooldude3
16:16:28 <pabot> <@wescooldude3> Ill be gone for a year, mom took laptop away. Be back Feb 2010 (http://twitter.com/wescooldude3/statuses/1218882598)
16:16:39 <DaveDixonII> Wes|IT will not be on for about a year. Sorry peeps
16:17:10 <sar3th> lol
16:19:21 <ZachThibeau> :(*
16:20:45 <onestoploser> http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/video-samsung-show-w7900-projector-phone-gets-specced-demoed/
16:22:12 * sar3th wants it
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16:23:28 <pabot> SergentSiler is awsome and is the most.... Hey, wait, OMG!!!! PIE!!!! <3
16:25:23 <ZachThibeau> Hi SergentSiler
16:25:31 <SergentSiler> hi ZachThibeau
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17:04:00 <ZachThibeau> :( http://portableapps.com/node/17820#comment-111698
17:08:07 <ZachThibeau> I wonder what John's response will be
17:08:13 <onestoploser> D:
17:08:22 <onestoploser> Darn
17:08:48 <ZachThibeau> I personlly think it's a scam to avoid legal repercussions
17:09:05 <onestoploser> Maybe. Did you research it at all?
17:09:29 <ZachThibeau> I leaving all legal matters to john really. it's his claim
17:10:04 <onestoploser> brb
17:10:07 <onestoploser> Lunch
17:10:54 <ZachThibeau> for one thing he only provided an nsh file and not the main nsi file
17:15:01 <ZachThibeau> secondly the source to the firefox launcher he provided is newer than to what John is saying
17:15:49 <ZachThibeau> which tells me it's a scam
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17:19:21 <ZachThibeau> here is my response to the bugger <ZachThibeau> for one thing he only provided an nsh file and not the main nsi file
17:19:21 <ZachThibeau> <ZachThibeau> secondly the source to the firefox launcher he provided is newer than to what John is saying
17:19:21 <ZachThibeau> <ZachThibeau> which tells me it's a scam
17:19:22 <ZachThibeau> oops
17:19:28 <ZachThibeau> http://portableapps.com/node/17820#comment-111699
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17:21:14 <vistasux> help!
17:21:14 <pabot> vistasux: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
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17:23:08 <sar3th> hi pa_7942, how can we help you?
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17:23:39 <vistasux> Hi, I have used PortableApps for 4 months, and it has worked great with portablefirefox until recently, it is not saving my themes, bookmarks,addons and themes... Any Ideas???
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17:33:39 * VistaReallySuks Mac Rocs... With BootCamp and XP...
17:35:46 <VistaReallySuks> help!!!
17:35:46 <pabot> VistaReallySuks: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
17:36:00 <VistaReallySuks> Hi, I have used PortableApps for 4 months, and it has worked great with portablefirefox until recently, it is not saving my themes, bookmarks,addons and themes... Any Ideas???
17:36:38 <sar3th> sorry, i have no idea...did you choose the option for slow usb-drives or not?
17:37:00 <VistaReallySuks> I enabled session store (fast)
17:37:31 <sar3th> okay...then probably something is wrong with firefoxportable..w8..
17:38:11 <sar3th> developer is JohnTHaller, who is not here at the moment
17:38:56 <sar3th> http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#known_issues
17:39:11 <sar3th> it says here that some themes and other mods won't work
17:40:30 <VistaReallySuks> I'm on portable firefox, and I have the theme enabled, but when I close and re-open, the theme is still installed, but not in use...
17:41:02 <sar3th> okay, then it might be some problem with the configuration
17:41:55 <sar3th> though i don't know where you set the thema..
17:42:58 <sar3th> *theme, sorry
17:43:33 <sar3th> it must be some setting which is not dealt with by ff portable..
17:43:54 <sar3th> can you link me your theme please? i'll try myself to get it to work then, maybe it will help
17:46:08 <VistaReallySuks> just a sec
17:46:10 <VistaReallySuks> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6124
17:47:06 <sar3th> okay, i'm having a look now..
17:48:22 <sar3th> ff is awfully slow..
17:52:28 <sar3th> have you tried reinstalling or anything else?
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17:52:59 <ZachThibeau> howdy all
17:53:22 <sar3th> welcome back ZachThibeau
17:53:35 <ZachThibeau> ty
17:53:52 <sar3th> VistaReallySuks: i just tried it with my fresh firefox portable
17:53:56 <sar3th> it works perfectly
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18:04:56 <Mark_Mikkelsen> I neeed heelp (firefox)
18:05:24 <sar3th> Mark_Mikkelsen: what's your problem?
18:05:30 <Mark_Mikkelsen> How do I make a shortcut for a website which uses my portable firefox
18:05:44 <ZachThibeau> you mean a bookmark?
18:06:37 <Mark_Mikkelsen> I mean that i dobbelclick on a shortcut and a specifik website opens using portable firefox
18:06:48 <ptmb> Let me just search some things quickly Mark_Mikkelsen to see if I can help you
18:07:13 <Mark_Mikkelsen> THANKS :)
18:07:37 <ZachThibeau> ok what you need to do is make a file called yourname.url with notepad and save it to your desktop, in that file enter your site you want and save it again
18:08:02 <ZachThibeau> after that right click and select open with and select firefoxPortable by browsing to it
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18:08:23 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
18:09:45 <JohnTHaller> hola
18:09:47 <Mark_Mikkelsen> ZachThibeau: I can make the file, but I can't change anything in it
18:10:10 <Mark_Mikkelsen> Anyone else ?
18:10:24 <ZachThibeau> are you on an administrative account or a normal/guest account on windows
18:10:30 <Mark_Mikkelsen> yes
18:10:34 <Mark_Mikkelsen> admin
18:11:23 <ptmb> Mark_Mikkelsen: making such a shortcut is hard, as windows shortcuts are hardlinked, but if PortableFirefox is installed localy, you could right click > Create Shortcut and
18:11:29 <ZachThibeau> then it should work. another thing you could do is use xenon file manager which does have a file association editor so that you can associate it with it
18:12:07 <ptmb> and enther this into the path:
18:12:40 <ptmb> [path to]/PortableFirefox.exe "url to webpage you want to create shortcut"
18:13:07 <Mark_Mikkelsen> ptmb can I pm ?
18:13:18 <ptmb> have in mind that if you use it on a flash drive, or keep changing computers it wont work
18:13:25 <ptmb> and sure, but I don't see the reason to
18:13:40 <Mark_Mikkelsen> My portablefirefox.exe is in: C:\Dokumenter og indstillinger\Administrator\Skrivebord\My Dropbox\Programs\FirefoxPortable
18:13:41 <ptmb> if this is made in here, then everybody can learn with the experience
18:13:56 <Mark_Mikkelsen> yes, sorry
18:14:02 <ptmb> no problem
18:14:18 <Mark_Mikkelsen> Can you make a shortcut for me ?
18:14:20 <ptmb> maybe
18:14:28 <ptmb> I had an idea that may work
18:14:44 <Mark_Mikkelsen> Its not solved yes :(
18:14:50 <Mark_Mikkelsen> yes = yet
18:16:33 <ptmb> first, I'd like to know, is it possible to save that file into the bookmarks toolbar? it is easily accessible, and that would work better than any other method we make here
18:17:42 <Mark_Mikkelsen> It is posible but I would like it on my desktop
18:17:51 <ptmb> ok
18:18:12 <ptmb> so what is the path to your desktop, just to know?
18:18:24 <ptmb> wait
18:18:42 <ptmb> the shortcut will be used only on that computer, right?
18:19:04 <ptmb> then right click the desktop, and choose create shortcut
18:19:18 <Mark_Mikkelsen> yes
18:19:29 <ptmb> choose the name of the shortcut, and then, on path type the following:
18:20:21 <ptmb> C:\Dokumenter og indstillinger\Administrator\Skrivebord\My Dropbox\Programs\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe "link to website you want it to open in"
18:20:45 <ptmb> and save the shortcut, done :D
18:21:17 <Mark_Mikkelsen> "File did not find"
18:21:24 <Mark_Mikkelsen> File not found
18:21:34 <ptmb> then try
18:21:43 <ptmb> "C:\Dokumenter og indstillinger\Administrator\Skrivebord\My Dropbox\Programs\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe 'link to website you want it to open in'"
18:22:25 <Mark_Mikkelsen> same
18:22:36 <ptmb> this should work:
18:22:46 <ptmb> "C:\Dokumenter og indstillinger\Administrator\Skrivebord\My Dropbox\Programs\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe" link to website you want it to open in
18:23:23 <Mark_Mikkelsen> hehe sooo simple :)
18:23:46 <Mark_Mikkelsen> THANKS mate
18:24:00 <ptmb> no problem, I hope I have helped :D
18:24:31 <Mark_Mikkelsen> YOU HAVE :) :)
18:24:55 <ptmb> just test the shortcut to see if it works fine
18:25:06 <ptmb> to make sure there are no problems
18:25:18 <Mark_Mikkelsen> It does :)
18:25:29 <ptmb> then great! I'm glad I helped
18:25:53 <ptmb> I have to go now for a little, I'll be back later, bye
18:26:01 <Mark_Mikkelsen> ok :)
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18:26:48 <JohnTHaller> good work ptmb
18:27:02 <JohnTHaller> and ZachThibeau
18:27:13 <ZachThibeau> thanks John
18:27:53 <onestoploser> Get 'im JohnTHaller
18:28:02 <onestoploser> http://portableapps.com/node/17820#comment-111698
18:28:05 <JohnTHaller> You mean the XeroBank thing?
18:28:12 <onestoploser> Yeah
18:28:26 <JohnTHaller> yeah. I think my response offers enough proof for even a layman to see it.
18:28:35 * onestoploser = layman
18:28:41 <onestoploser> I understand it
18:29:01 <ZachThibeau> whats funny how he at first tried dancing around what I was saying
18:29:35 <ZachThibeau> he kind of got me for a moment and advised him to wait for John :)
18:29:45 <ZachThibeau> I don't work well without coffee
18:29:54 <onestoploser> lol
18:29:58 <onestoploser> Coffee FTW
18:30:02 * SrgSiler|AFK gives ZachThibeau some coffee
18:30:08 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: see what I mean now with the code examples?
18:30:38 <ZachThibeau> yes I do, I was trying to find some but like I said in here that I didn't have my coffee and wasn't concentrating well enough
18:31:23 <ZachThibeau> Caffeine withdrawel FTL D:
18:32:24 <SrgSiler|AFK> :'(
18:32:36 <ZachThibeau> Well I got some now so I'm good :)
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18:33:47 <Bensawsome> wow someones been a bad boy with the os licenses :/
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18:35:21 <pabot> SteveLamerton is the developer of Toucan and a moderator on PortableApps.com as well as one of its longest serving members, so show some respect ;)
18:35:31 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
18:35:57 <Bensawsome> ohaithar SteveLamerton ^_^
18:36:09 <onestoploser> Hello SteveLamerton
18:36:24 <SteveLamerton> Hello Bensawsome, onestoploser, JohnTHaller, ZachThibeau
18:36:25 <JohnTHaller> we're discussing this, SteveLamerton: http://portableapps.com/node/17820#comment-111698
18:36:32 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
18:37:13 <SteveLamerton> Ahhh yes, I spotted that earlier, I see you have replied, I shall have a read!
18:38:48 <JohnTHaller> lemme know what you think SteveLamerton
18:43:53 <SteveLamerton> JohnTHaller: The example you posted is clearly the same piece of code IMO, just has some debug bits sprinkled in, are there more bits like that?
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18:44:44 <JohnTHaller> yeah, but usually just a line or two here and there. I thought it best to post one that is clearly a multiline rip rather than posting 10 different ones.
18:45:35 <JohnTHaller> basically, I was sick of him lying and saying it was rewritten from scratch when it obviously wasn't and switching the license from GPL to one that's basically "shared source"
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18:46:20 <SteveLamerton> JohnTHaller: Yeah, I agree, very suspicious that there is a big chunk the same, shame there arent more big chunks but I still think he has just added more on
18:47:33 <JohnTHaller> Well, yeah, I originally assisted him with it back in the 1.5 days
18:47:48 <JohnTHaller> It was wholly based on PortableFirefox.nsh with some added Tor stuff
18:47:57 <ZachThibeau> I wouldn't be suprised it GPL Violations and FSF come in to this fiasko
18:48:39 <JohnTHaller> GPL Violations is usually when there are big companies and more $ at stake, I think
18:48:53 <JohnTHaller> I haven't notified them of it yet.
18:49:21 <JohnTHaller> FSF is more about clarifying things if need be. They only persue directly when the copyright is assigned to them, I think.
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19:03:54 <sar3th> hi TimClark
19:04:01 <TimClark> Hello ALL :D
19:04:14 <onestoploser> hi TimClark
19:06:00 <TimClark> Hi JohnTHaller , I don't understand code enough to understand when 2+2 must always equal 4 [i.e., the code must be written that way or it will not work ] but this part even a noob like me would understand "Nor would you be using the exact same notification language to the end user when profiles aren't found, need to be created, etc."
19:07:15 <TimClark> That I assume can be random, and there fore could and would be different
19:07:51 <JohnTHaller> hi TimClark. yeah. if you get the nsis code at all, you see that it's not coincidence either
19:08:10 <TimClark> I'm sure
19:08:17 <SteveLamerton> TimClark: Yeah, programmers name things in their own way, no way would someone name it exactly the same
19:11:17 <MaienM> hello TimClark :)
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19:11:31 <TimClark> Hi MaienM , how are you today
19:11:39 <MaienM> fine, and you?
19:11:43 * sar3th lols at xerobank's downloadbutton..it looks kind familiar
19:11:46 <TimClark> How is your app going ?
19:12:18 <MaienM> nothing changed really.... it just went down in the forum a bit since new topics came ;)
19:12:46 <TimClark> MaienM: what was the url to the topic again please
19:12:57 <MaienM> and my dl count script fails, so I still don't know how many downloads I got :(
19:13:19 <sar3th> dl count script?
19:13:25 <sar3th> self-made?
19:13:35 <MaienM> http://portableapps.com/node/18024
19:13:46 <MaienM> sar3th: yeah, screwed it up somewhere :P
19:13:59 <sar3th> which language is it in?
19:14:04 <MaienM> php
19:14:15 <sar3th> then help might be at your fingertips :D
19:14:22 <MaienM> I just need to convert it to use mysql instead of files, that way I'm sure it will work :)
19:14:32 <MaienM> I fail at fopen stuff with php ;)
19:14:40 <sar3th> files works as well
19:14:43 <Bensawsome> MaienM that program freezes mai comp ;_;
19:15:18 <MaienM> Bensawsome: I doubt thats the launcher, you should report that to the people of tmw itself....
19:15:43 <Bensawsome> lol i know :P
19:15:46 <MaienM> remember its version 0.0.28 atm, so it still is kinda buggy :P
19:15:51 <Bensawsome> :P
19:16:02 <MaienM> altho I haven't had any big issues with it myself......
19:16:15 <Bensawsome> :P
19:18:07 <TimClark> Well I don't do online games myself, but I know many folks love them, so good luck MaienM
19:18:52 <MaienM> I hope so ^_^
19:23:30 <sar3th> MaienM: i'd love to take a look at you download-script :)
19:23:57 <onestoploser> Nice! TMW runs on Linux! :D
19:24:08 <onestoploser> I wanna try it out.
19:24:17 <MaienM> sar3th: well I already was halfway editing it so its kinda totally broken right now.... but if you're willing to take a look at it, that would be great :D
19:24:27 <onestoploser> Can't play from here (work). It's kinda frowned upon.
19:24:45 <sar3th> of course, i'd love to have a look at it
19:24:50 <sar3th> =)
19:25:20 <MaienM> sar3th: http://pastebin.com/d409344d4 (and thanks :D)
19:25:41 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: can i delete this without comment, if i comment that just continues the BUMP :-( http://portableapps.com/node/16510#comment-111670
19:26:25 <sar3th> MaienM: this basic version w/o counter works, right?
19:26:40 <MaienM> yes, this part works fine
19:26:47 <sar3th> okay
19:27:40 <sar3th> do you want it to be wrapped up in some kind of neat class or just the hard functions?
19:28:51 <MaienM> I honestly don't care that much, as long as it works :D
19:29:57 <ZachThibeau> brb guys
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19:34:49 <TimClark> Hello purple
19:34:59 <purple> ey
19:42:03 <ZachThibeau> well I'm off guys :) talk to y'all later
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19:51:18 <sar3th> MaienM: look at this: http://pastebin.com/m1ff3ae2
19:52:32 <MaienM> this is pretty dang similiar to what I had first :P
19:52:39 <sar3th> :P
19:52:44 <sar3th> why did it not work then?
19:52:48 <MaienM> guess I wasn't failing that badly then :P
19:52:58 <MaienM> idk, maybe a file mode wrong or something....
19:52:58 <Bensawsome> >_>
19:53:00 <Bensawsome> ORLY?
19:53:07 <sar3th> i think so as well
19:53:12 <sar3th> did you use w+?
19:53:28 <Bensawsome> >_> maybe
19:53:45 <sar3th> ->dev
19:53:53 <TimClark> you did or you did'nt Bensawsome :(
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20:01:07 <WastePuree> >_>
20:02:13 <WastePuree> Are we ever gonna get some sort of app added into the suite which tells you when new versions of apps are available?
20:02:36 <Bensawsome> .pa portableapps updater
20:02:42 <WastePuree> Lulz.
20:02:42 <Bensawsome> ...
20:02:43 <pabot> Bensawsome: PortableApps.com Updater 1.0 Beta 1 (outdated) - http://portableapps.com/node/14735
20:02:49 <Bensawsome> wait
20:02:51 <Bensawsome> not that one
20:02:56 <Bensawsome> .pa portableapps updater beta 2
20:03:01 <pabot> Bensawsome: PortableApps.com Updater 1.0 Beta 2 - http://portableapps.com/node/16779
20:03:02 <WastePuree> Outdated. How ironic. :D
20:03:05 <Bensawsome> that one ^_^
20:03:12 <WastePuree> Thanks. :)
20:03:16 <Bensawsome> np ^_^
20:03:20 <TimClark> FFP http://portableapps.com/ this one :D
20:03:23 <Bensawsome> :P
20:03:47 <WastePuree> i c wut u did thar
20:03:49 <WastePuree> O:
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20:05:48 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
20:06:13 <ZachThibeau> back :)
20:06:22 <WastePuree> ohai
20:11:58 <ptmb> I'm back
20:12:07 <sar3th> wb ptmb
20:12:12 <TimClark> Hi ptmb
20:12:30 <ptmb> Hi sar3th, hi TimClark
20:13:03 <ZachThibeau> howdt ptmb
20:13:08 <ZachThibeau> **howdy
20:13:29 <ptmb> Hi ZachThibeau
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20:18:11 <Bensawsome> :O
20:18:24 <sar3th> -.-
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20:18:46 <pabot> KevinPorter is an interesting fellow who you might see here and there, blogging about various things and Twittering a bunch.
20:20:01 <TimClark> Hello KevinPorter
20:20:10 <onestoploser> Hi KevinPorter
20:20:25 <KevinPorter> Hi TimClark, onestoploser. :)
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20:20:27 <pabot> MaienM is MaienM, and thats all. He has no idea what to put here, so.... hi!! Love him or hate him, it's your choice.
20:21:33 <MaienM> for some reason, my pc decided to crash :/
20:21:42 <sar3th> :o
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20:31:58 <pabot> markomlm is the developer of the PortableApps.com Updater; OpenOffice.org Portable and the head of the German translation team
20:32:11 <TimClark> hello markomlm
20:32:30 <markomlm> Hello @all
20:32:39 <ZachThibeau> howdy markomlm
20:32:58 <markomlm> :-)
20:33:23 <TimClark> markomlm: have you read the latest goodie at PA.c
20:33:36 <markomlm> ???
20:33:48 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/node/17820
20:34:14 <TimClark> sorry, it was the only rececnt post I would call a "goodie"
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20:39:22 <sar3th> hi ehf1353, how can we help you?
20:39:26 <TimClark> hello ehf1353 can we help you todya
20:40:51 <ehf1353> Hi, I've XAMPP installed and working but I need to change the charset to show correctly in the client side,
20:40:58 <ehf1353> how I can do it?
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20:41:14 <ehf1353> I live in Argentina
20:41:33 <ehf1353> and want to to see accent characters
20:42:19 <ehf1353> sorry, I mean with Filezilla
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20:43:22 <TimClark> ehf1353: a few moments please
20:45:12 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: are you available for Filezilla support ?
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20:47:24 <TimClark> ehf1353: we are discussing this in the background, please stand by
20:47:58 <ehf1353> ok, thanks.
20:48:35 <ehf1353> I saw support page but I can't find the solution.
20:49:05 <TimClark> ehf1353: which support page please ?
20:49:30 <ehf1353> I think UTF8, I'm not sure
20:49:46 <ehf1353> I currently replace XAMPP for,
20:49:57 <TimClark> I mean can you give us a link to that support page
20:50:04 <ehf1353> IIS from Windows XP
20:50:39 <TimClark> ehf1353: please stand by
20:50:43 <ehf1353> My page? (sorry, my english no too well)
20:51:32 <ptmb> so ehf1353, you want to show directories with proper accents in filezilla, right?
20:51:52 <ehf1353> yes
20:52:01 <ptmb> on the server, right?
20:52:30 <ehf1353> In server it see ok
20:54:00 <ptmb> so you can see them folders correctly on the server, but when accessing them trough filezilla the accents are meesed up, right?
20:54:28 <ehf1353> yes
20:54:42 <ptmb> ok, so open your places manager
20:55:46 <ehf1353> yes, in this case Filezilla client or other.
20:56:04 <ptmb> the Fillezilla client
20:56:45 <ehf1353> I do It
20:57:33 <ptmb> ok, now select the server you want the accents and go to the "character map" tab
21:00:39 <ehf1353> I have Filezilla 2.2.17 but no find "character map" tab
21:01:29 <JohnTHaller> he's talking about FileZilla 3.2.1. FileZilla 2.x isn't supported anymore.
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21:02:02 <ehf1353> ok, I will update
21:02:15 <ehf1353> and try again
21:02:18 <MaienM> ehf1353: I advise you to ask support in #filezilla that is the official filezilla support channel and they probably know the answer
21:02:22 <ehf1353> thank.
21:02:47 <ptmb> we hope we have helped
21:02:56 <TimClark> ehf1353: you can also go here: http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/documentation/
21:03:10 <WastePuree> [20:59:46] <WastePuree> HALP! HALP![20:59:50] <WastePuree> http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5286/90390420vf8.png
21:03:12 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello Everyone!
21:03:22 <MaienM> ehf1353: and updating probably is a good idea too
21:03:34 <WastePuree> That didn't come out like I wanted it to, but still... Help!
21:03:50 <TimClark> WastePuree: and Oni-Neoxes support is occuring, -ot please
21:04:01 <Oni-Neoxes> kk
21:04:05 <WastePuree> I'm asking for support...
21:04:38 <TimClark> ehf1353: are we done for now ?
21:04:58 <JohnTHaller> i think the filezilla update will do it
21:05:02 <ptmb> WastePuree: the download was probably corrupt, and the installer noticed that, so you wouldn't install something corrupted, try to re-download
21:05:37 <WastePuree> It does the same _every_ time.
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21:07:56 <ptmb> try forcing another mirrir WastePuree
21:08:00 <ptmb> *mirror
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21:09:53 <WastePuree> How do I do that?
21:13:33 <ZachThibeau> anyways later guys
21:13:35 <ptmb> Actually WastePuree, I think that it might be better for you to manually download from the portableapps site
21:13:37 <ZachThibeau> guests at my house
21:13:39 <ptmb> bye ZachThibeau
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21:13:53 <WastePuree> Aight. Thanks. :)
21:14:11 <TimClark> WastePuree: are you WastePotato ?
21:14:44 <WastePuree> Yep. Why?
21:14:51 <TimClark> WastePuree, you are a regular, THAT btw,is not how you ask for support, especially During support
21:15:03 <WastePuree> ?
21:15:13 <TimClark> that's why I asked you to go to -ot
21:15:30 <WastePuree> I'm so confused...
21:15:56 <TimClark> 15:06 WastePuree> [20:59:46] <WastePuree> HALP! HALP![20:59:50] <WastePuree> and a link to a pic does not tell us you need support
21:16:24 <WastePuree> I said help...
21:16:59 <ptmb> actually you said "halp!" :P
21:17:04 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> yeah
21:17:15 <TimClark> you quoted something that said "HALP! HALP" not quite the same thing
21:17:16 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> TimClark has it right :/
21:17:19 <WastePuree> Actually, that was in #beta.
21:17:28 <Bensawsome> no
21:17:31 <Bensawsome> #BetaTalk2
21:17:32 <Bensawsome> :P
21:17:53 <WastePuree> TimClark: I didn't mean to copy that line, hence the "That's not how I wanted it do come out".
21:17:55 <TimClark> and as you were here already you should have noted support was already occuring , that's all i mena
21:18:06 <TimClark> ahhh
21:18:12 <WastePuree> Gawd.
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21:18:25 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> lulz
21:18:29 <Bensawsome> :/
21:18:34 <TimClark> Sorry, but he's not a noob
21:19:53 <sar3th> well, i'm going now..see ya guys!
21:20:12 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> bye sar3th
21:20:13 <TimClark> if the message had been 15:06 Bensawsome > [20:59:46] <Bensawsome > HALP! HALP![20:59:50] <Bensawsome > and a link to a pick I would assume it was a funny
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21:20:24 <Bensawsome> >_>
21:20:25 <Bensawsome> <_<
21:20:29 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> XD
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21:20:58 <TimClark> no offence Bensawsome , your always a good example name to use :P
21:22:27 <ptmb> well, gotta go earlier today, bye
21:22:34 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> D:
21:22:38 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> bye ptmb :(
21:22:43 <TimClark> bye ptmb thanks for good support
21:22:44 <ptmb> bye SrgSiler|Phoodz
21:22:49 <ptmb> Bye TimClark
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21:23:07 <onestoploser> lol
21:23:33 <onestoploser> ,Besawsome> HALP! HALP! FTW
21:23:39 <onestoploser> XD
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21:42:14 <pa_5043> how do you compress your apps
21:42:18 <pa_5043> ?
21:42:53 <TimClark> We use a special app compactor, i' try to find you a link
21:43:00 <pa_5043> k
21:43:05 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/appcompactor
21:43:29 <TimClark> ty JohnTHaller
21:43:36 <pa_5043> ill get it
21:45:11 <TimClark> pa_5043: note it is best to not use it on most of our apps as they are already compacted to the best size/format
21:45:20 <pa_5043> ok
21:45:24 <pa_5043> thnks
21:45:27 <pa_5043> bye
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21:46:00 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: are there apps other than FFP and TBP that are not fully compacted ?
21:46:29 <JohnTHaller> FF, TB and SB. that's it i think. all due to licensing. specific bits in GIMP, OOo, etc are not compressed due to breakage.
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21:46:33 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually).
21:46:52 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: ah, as i thought, forgot about SB
21:47:08 <Gizmokid2005> hello TimClark, JohnTHaller, KevinPorter, et al
21:47:14 <TimClark> Hello Gizmokid2005 :D
21:47:26 <Gizmokid2005> never fear, I have not died
21:47:35 <SrgSiler|Phoodz> lol
21:47:36 <JohnTHaller> hi Gizmokid2005
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21:48:12 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
21:48:14 <Gizmokid2005> and hi SergentSiler
21:48:35 <SergentSiler> hello
21:51:16 <SergentSiler> anyone feel like buying an IDE TR-4 tape drive? :P
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22:00:24 <MaienM|Sleep> gnight guys
22:01:37 <TimClark> good night MaienM|Sleep
22:08:57 <SergentSiler> anyone here good with bash?
22:09:23 <Gizmokid2005> SergentSiler: the website?? SURE! LOL.. J/k - no, I'm not.
22:09:29 <SergentSiler> :(
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22:15:47 <TimClark> Hello pa_8592 can we help you today ?
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22:16:06 <JohnTHaller> release team members have an email waiting about a possible new format for the status page: http://portableapps.com/development/test/status#johns_reorg
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22:19:38 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: when was it sent? I see ntohing
22:20:40 <JohnTHaller> like 3 mins ago :-)
22:20:52 <JohnTHaller> it'll prob take a bit
22:21:17 <Gizmokid2005> *nothing
22:21:17 <Gizmokid2005> lol
22:21:18 <Gizmokid2005> k
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22:21:35 <Gizmokid2005> I apparently can't type today...so in lieu of that, I'm going to play some Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 2....
22:21:35 <pabot> ptmb is a blogger and wannabe programmer that uses Linux. He is an OpenSource fanatic too. You can see more about him at http://ptmblogger.co.cc/
22:21:35 <Gizmokid2005> :D
22:22:21 <ptmb> Hi everybody, I have more 30 mins after all
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22:22:39 <TimClark> wb ptmb , thanks again for your help earlier
22:23:18 <ptmb> Hi TimClark, and no problem
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22:31:03 <TimClark> ptmb: really you did it well, and made good use of -ot for background support, saved a lot of confusion
22:31:51 <TimClark> meant to say that a minute or so but got pulled away by crap
22:32:23 <ptmb> thanks, you're making my head swallen :D
22:33:00 <ptmb> (is that how it is said, right? swalling? like a ballon? :P )
22:33:21 <SergentSiler> swollen?
22:33:34 <ptmb> swollen, that is it :P
22:33:40 <TimClark> ptmb: i knew what you meant, it's fine
22:33:42 <SergentSiler> :P
22:39:44 <ptmb> ok, I'm going now, see you tomorrow
22:39:59 <TimClark> Good bye ptmb
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23:03:21 <SergentSiler> he sure stayed long :P
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23:07:21 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
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23:11:48 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: it has been fixed, but jth has pointed out why I thought it was not what he wanted
23:13:31 <TimClark> The tor stuff is for keeping you "stealth" on the net, not just your machine, or something like that
23:14:02 <TimClark> opps, wrong tab :-(
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23:20:32 <pabot> OliverK is liking his days off
23:21:31 <Bensawsome> ohai OliverK ^_^
23:21:38 <OliverK> hey Bensawsome
23:21:48 <OliverK> any body know of a good floppy disc imager?
23:22:15 <Bensawsome> o_0
23:22:17 <Bensawsome> lol
23:22:54 <ZachThibeau> not off the top of my head
23:22:55 <OliverK> i've got licenses for windows NT
23:23:00 <TimClark> OliverK: you mean something then just making a copy of the floppy ?
23:23:03 <OliverK> now, I just have to VM them
23:23:11 <OliverK> for making a image, like an ISO
23:23:20 <TimClark> something differnt *
23:23:22 <OliverK> howdy tim
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23:24:21 <TimClark> OliverK: sorry, not really sure what you are trying to do that is different then just copying them to floppies :(
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23:24:52 <OliverK> I'm trying to create a "picture" of the the disc, so that I can mount it in virtual box
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23:25:09 <OliverK> found one, with source code. I wonder if its any good
23:25:20 * TimClark does make to his non-dev corner :-(
23:25:28 <OliverK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_image
23:25:32 <OliverK> :p
23:26:34 <ZachThibeau> later guys Gaming Time
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23:37:10 <OliverK> howdy daBomb69
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23:37:43 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
23:37:59 <OliverK> JohnTHaller!
23:38:00 <daBomb69> hello eveybody
23:38:02 <JohnTHaller> hello again
23:38:16 <JohnTHaller> just curious who is following this: http://portableapps.com/node/17820#comment-111727
23:38:30 <TimClark> me
23:38:56 <OliverK> the argument? I am. I can't side with anyone yet, I would like to look at the code myself. Though I'm tending to lean towards your side
23:39:29 <JohnTHaller> the code is right there in PRE tags in my post... or portions of it. All it takes is a few lines to see.
23:40:30 <OliverK> it looks different, that's all I can say. I'm going to compare them myself tonight (its only auarter til 6 here)
23:40:46 <JohnTHaller> look at my second post, the 3 lines he removed
23:41:21 <JohnTHaller> adding a simple tag or a couple lines doesn't change the fact that he's using bits of my code. yes, it's changed alot over the years he's been updating it. but there are still several lines in there.
23:42:10 <daBomb69> John, isn't your code open source? Couldn't he use it?
23:42:16 <TimClark> "If you're going to outright distort evidence right in front of everyone else, I think you should do a better job than that." :O wow
23:42:37 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: He took my GPLed code and switched the license and removed my copyright
23:42:48 <OliverK> i'm not a lawyer. I don't know. I haven't reviewed it fully, and I would like to before I say anyhting. I am giving yhim the benefit of the doubt. But if he acts like he has been, I'm no longer giving it
23:42:49 <JohnTHaller> his code is under a non-free license
23:43:15 <TimClark> daBomb69: long story short, he can
23:43:18 <TimClark> sorry
23:43:48 <TimClark> daBomb69: long story short, he can't turn code in a free licence into a code in not free licence
23:44:00 <daBomb69> Oh, ok.
23:44:23 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: is that about right, informally speaking
23:44:32 <JohnTHaller> yes
23:45:01 <daBomb69> So, if the xB dude changed the code into a GPL, would it be ok?
23:45:47 <OliverK> once he returned the copyrights
23:45:48 <TimClark> daBomb69: johns license says you can use my code but you can't put it in something that is not free
23:46:20 <dbdii407> dont you mean open source?
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23:46:26 <JohnTHaller> Technically, his code is GPLed whether he wants it to be or now.
23:46:28 <JohnTHaller> not
23:46:37 * DaveDixonII forgot how the licence went.
23:46:50 <daBomb69> Wait, the xB browser IS free
23:47:06 <JohnTHaller> free is different from Free (aka open source)
23:47:21 <JohnTHaller> it's basically freeware with the source available under a non-OSI license
23:47:26 <JohnTHaller> he has to keep it GPLed
23:47:48 <daBomb69> so it has to be free like free speach, not just free like free beer?
23:47:55 <JohnTHaller> yup
23:48:32 <daBomb69> but. i can download the source code, doesnt that make it free speach free?
23:48:42 <JohnTHaller> There are two types of open source license. Strong copyleft like the GPL which require you to release your changes back to everyone else. And weak like BSD/MIT that let others take your code and relicense it, pack it in proprietary software, etc.
23:49:05 <daBomb69> And, the xB browser is BSD/MIT?
23:49:19 <JohnTHaller> he switched the license. from one that fits the open source definition to one that doesn't. (it forbid commercial competition, which isn't permitted under the OSI definition)
23:49:31 <JohnTHaller> xB is a proprietary TESSLA license they made up
23:50:05 <JohnTHaller> forbids commercial competition, incompatible with most open source licenses, puts some user rights above others
23:50:38 <daBomb69> Ok, where can i find a copy of that license? It isn't even on Google
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23:50:53 <pabot> Roamer is a linux geek cursed to use windows until he gets his own laptop.
23:50:58 <JohnTHaller> it's only on their website and not linked anywhere from their website
23:52:12 <daBomb69> Torrify Ethical Software License Agreement. wtf, is that even a compleatly legal license?
23:52:56 <OliverK> got a link?
23:53:09 <JohnTHaller> it's not an open source license. they made it themselves. so it's probably contestable in court easily as it doesn't have the legal framework and proven cases like a real license (read; GPL)
23:54:26 <daBomb69> Ur right, after reading that license, it is a pile of crap. and i did find it on google, i spelled it rong the first time
23:54:47 <daBomb69> So, y don't u just sue XeroBank?
23:55:18 <JohnTHaller> it'll cost a good amount of $. and they probably don't have any.
23:55:32 <daBomb69> oh, ok.
23:55:42 <TimClark> daBomb69: that's what this may lead to, and john would rather avoid it
23:56:01 <daBomb69> And, they used John's FFX portable source code to make it?
23:56:45 <JohnTHaller> yes, i originally assisted with torpark (xerobank's old name). there are still lines of my code in the current release.
23:56:46 <TimClark> well, maybe not sue, but go to another authority and make them look bad, and ignore their license in the future
23:57:05 <JohnTHaller> I may just re-release it on SF as GPL to be sure it stays that way.
23:57:17 <JohnTHaller> maybe do a clean version without the ads for their services
23:57:54 <daBomb69> John, thats a great idea! But does Tor even work anymore?
23:58:24 <JohnTHaller> yeah. tor works like it always has... slowly
23:58:37 <JohnTHaller> xB services cost $
23:59:40 <daBomb69> have you tried having the numorous Portableapps members do a mass emailing to XeroBank asking them about their license and the code?