IRC Log from 2009-03-02

00:00:05 <dbdii407> Or maybe you will end up just like me and................ nevermind.
00:00:09 <onestoploser> Hi ZachThibeau
00:00:17 <onestoploser> Hi all
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00:00:48 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
00:01:13 <rbrt13> iv got to go, bye
00:01:31 <daBomb69> goodbye rbrt13
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00:01:44 <alpha1beta> bye
00:03:28 <daBomb69> question: Does a PA.com program NEED to have that fancy PA launcher, or could it be a self-extracting 7zip file?
00:03:32 <Oni-Neoxes> maybe I should try to develop something. i dont know :P
00:04:01 <Oni-Neoxes> If I do develop. its prolly for the most random apps
00:04:10 <JacobMastel> It need to be fancy
00:04:25 <JacobMastel> *needs
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00:05:32 <daBomb69> :-(
00:06:17 <TimClark> daBomb69: john used to use other forms, he does not not, it does more than just extract things
00:06:32 <daBomb69> wat else does it do?
00:06:34 <TimClark> It makes changes to old installs and can move and fix things
00:06:42 <daBomb69> oh
00:06:53 <ZachThibeau> even upgrade apps too to keep their original settings too :)
00:07:15 <daBomb69> oh
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00:21:18 <JacobMastel> Hello dzjepp can we help you?
00:28:03 <Oni-Neoxes> it's soo quite
00:28:31 <Oni-Neoxes> what the word
00:28:45 <TimClark> quiet
00:29:05 <Oni-Neoxes> i hate having the keyboard almost eye level XP
00:29:05 <TimClark> I have a problem with that too :)
00:29:06 <JacobMastel> I'm trying to get the rt guys to do some work but to no avail...
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00:29:15 <JacobMastel> Hello matborden
00:29:19 <matborden> hello
00:29:32 <ZachThibeau> howdy matborden play any good games lately :)
00:29:40 <matborden> portal
00:29:56 <ZachThibeau> I've been meaning to try that out but never got to doing it :P
00:30:13 <Oni-Neoxes> portal ftw
00:30:16 <matborden> i own the orangebox for the PC
00:30:17 <ZachThibeau> btw matborden since you are in my gaming clan we do have an IRC Channel
00:30:29 <ZachThibeau> #pagamesclan if you are interested
00:31:03 <matborden> >.> is it provided by xfire?
00:31:17 <Oni-Neoxes> xfire ftw
00:36:01 <dbdii407> <Kitsune> this is a family channel, not a family making channel
00:36:02 <dbdii407> LOL
00:36:07 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
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00:38:04 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
00:38:18 * Oni-Neoxes pokes gluxon's big head
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00:38:26 <ZachThibeau> howdy App_Guy
00:38:28 <gluxon> Hey
00:38:35 <ZachThibeau> btw nice ahk script in the ot forum :)
00:38:41 <JacobMastel> Hi App_Guy
00:38:41 <ZachThibeau> pointed at App_Guy
00:38:49 <App_Guy> Hello all, and thank you
00:39:05 <gluxon> The search one?
00:39:18 <JacobMastel> gluxon: yes
00:39:29 <gluxon> :P
00:39:59 <gluxon> Okay, what's a name server? :P
00:40:10 <JacobMastel> So App_Guy what exactly do you want todo with you app?
00:40:21 <gluxon> I'm trying to get this thing to work :P http://www.computofixer.co.cc/
00:40:45 <gluxon> I just entered cfixer.000hosted.com in the name server bar and that failed... :P
00:41:26 <App_Guy> I have a layout established but I still need some code: here is what I have so far http://embed.mibbit.com/pb/e5gtgw
00:42:31 <JacobMastel> hang on...
00:42:33 * JacobMastel copies
00:42:38 <Oni-Neoxes> WOW! http://lifehacker.com/5162029/doodling-increases-focus-and-recall
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00:44:31 <JacobMastel> You have an error line 9
00:44:58 <App_Guy> Oh sorry I will fix and reupload
00:45:02 <JacobMastel> k
00:47:11 <Oni-Neoxes> ftw: http://lifehacker.com/5158832/flux-changes-your-screen-brightness-by-time-of-day
00:47:42 <App_Guy> Here is the link JacobMastel: http://embed.mibbit.com/pb/0u6zrA
00:47:47 <dbdii407> Oni-Neoxes: LOL
00:47:52 <Oni-Neoxes> ill stop posting links now :P
00:48:00 <daBomb69> lol
00:49:23 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: interesting though, could be useful
00:50:50 <Oni-Neoxes> I need it x.x
00:50:58 <TimClark> I had to adjust mibbt's background from white to grey to make it easier on my eyes
00:51:22 <JacobMastel> App_Guy: Okay it works better for em now
00:51:23 <JacobMastel> *me
00:51:27 <Oni-Neoxes> omg! My eyes feel so much beeter
00:51:36 <TimClark> Still can't get the bookmark side bar in FF to not be white :(
00:51:58 <JacobMastel> But I don't see any radio buttons
00:52:26 <Oni-Neoxes> wow. was my room originally this bright >_>
00:52:50 <JacobMastel> It's a cool app
00:52:54 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: lets go to -ot and give JacobMastel and App_Guy space
00:53:01 <Oni-Neoxes> ok
00:53:06 <JacobMastel> Or we could go to -dev
00:53:22 <JacobMastel> Which is probably what we're supposed to do...
00:53:40 <JacobMastel> Anyways so App_Guy are there supposed to be radio buttons on the GUI?
00:53:41 <App_Guy> JacobMastel: the radiobuttons should show up
00:53:52 <JacobMastel> I don't see them
00:53:52 <App_Guy> They show up for me
00:54:01 <JacobMastel> I only see the old GUI..
00:54:15 <JacobMastel> I don't see the drop down either...
00:54:59 <App_Guy> Here is a stupid question: Are you using the old script?
00:55:51 <JacobMastel> No
00:56:02 <JacobMastel> Shit I am
00:56:02 <JacobMastel> ...
00:56:16 <JacobMastel> I have more than one copy apparently NP++ wasn't saving where I thought it was...
00:56:24 <App_Guy> Well we found the problem
00:57:06 <JacobMastel> lol
00:57:20 * JacobMastel hangs his head in shame.
00:57:50 <JacobMastel> Okay well I see one problem right off the back. I can't unclick a radio button
00:58:21 <JacobMastel> And it should also be set so that if one is clicked the other is unclicked. That can be accomplised by a simple controlclick
00:59:19 <App_Guy> That is already established, only one radio button can be selected
00:59:46 * App_Guy Stares into space, thinking
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01:02:17 <JacobMastel> I can select both radios...
01:03:51 <App_Guy> Ok that may be a problem, what do you propose
01:04:49 <JacobMastel> Okay fixed it
01:04:59 <JacobMastel> Make it so that the two radio controls are side by side
01:05:04 <JacobMastel> One right below the other
01:05:09 <JacobMastel> That fixes the problem
01:05:25 <JacobMastel> I'm a little slow with GUI's I don't use them often
01:05:40 <App_Guy> That is understandable
01:06:31 <JacobMastel> Although there should also be a radio button on top marked as default so if a user decides he doesn't want to use one of the other options he can go back and do it normally
01:07:11 <App_Guy> Wouldn't default be content
01:07:38 <JacobMastel> Well yeah but the way it's set up you have to use one of the drop downs.
01:07:40 <App_Guy> And the radio buttons still select both
01:07:51 <JacobMastel> He're I'll paste my new code
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01:09:12 <JacobMastel> http://mastel.pastebin.com/d4037f86c
01:10:47 <App_Guy> Sorry JacobMastel but I have to go do my homework
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01:10:54 <JacobMastel> Okay no prob
01:10:56 <JacobMastel> ...
01:11:49 <TimClark> JacobMastel: as long as no one else wanted to talk about a papps issue, i have no problem with your using this channel
01:12:02 <JacobMastel> Okay
01:12:07 <JacobMastel> I guess this room is open again
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01:30:12 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
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01:33:58 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
01:35:44 <ZachThibeau> sorry guys computer went to sleep :(
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01:51:21 <TimClark> So, we have a new spammer :(
01:51:56 <TimClark> on the fourm, JTH has been notified and topics cleared
01:52:04 <Oni-Neoxes> ?
01:52:06 <Oni-Neoxes> link me?
01:52:42 <Oni-Neoxes> nvm
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01:53:17 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: why would you want a link to spam :P
01:53:29 <Oni-Neoxes> because spam is delicious :D
01:53:39 <daBomb69> Spam is delicious when fryed and served with bacon
01:54:06 <daBomb69> :D
01:54:27 <Oni-Neoxes> http://inventorspot.com/files/images/1559606_340_1116081430036-spam.jpg
01:54:28 <TimClark> I once fed spam to a dog ...:D
01:54:29 <Oni-Neoxes> om nom nom
01:54:35 <TimClark> He bit me :P
01:54:54 <alpha1beta> lmao
01:54:57 <daBomb69> Spam to a dog, i feel sorry for the dog:P
01:55:24 <TimClark> it was a joke, i like dogs, i would never do that :D
01:55:25 <alpha1beta> I wouldn't feed spam to mix master trixz'
01:55:41 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
01:55:46 <daBomb69> alpha1beta: ur right, that would be mean to the spam
01:55:51 <alpha1beta> LMAO
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01:56:26 <daBomb69> just wondering, has anyone banned mix master trixz' yet?
01:56:35 <alpha1beta> permanently, no
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01:56:45 <TimClark> no daBomb69 , and please don't discuss banning users
01:56:52 <daBomb69> Sorry
01:57:20 <TimClark> ty
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01:57:39 <daBomb69> Sorry, but really, Gmail portable, wtf
01:58:02 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
01:58:06 <TimClark> witno is preferred
01:58:09 <alpha1beta> and it's just the lastest of 100's of stupid comments
01:58:23 <daBomb69> yes, i've read up on his posts
01:58:54 <TimClark> daBomb69: why would you waste you time tracking a user you don't like
01:59:08 <daBomb69> Cause it's interesting reading the comments
01:59:29 <Oni-Neoxes> I can't believe PA had to actually ban a user
01:59:34 <daBomb69> And, i wanted to see if he ever said anything as stupid as Gmail portable
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01:59:47 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: spammers are always banned
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01:59:54 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
02:00:03 <alpha1beta> hey purple, hey ChrisMorgan
02:00:19 <ChrisMorgan> hey alpha1beta '
02:00:25 <TimClark> hello ChrisMorgan are you here and available for a while :D
02:00:27 <daBomb69> hello purple
02:00:27 <daBomb69> hello ChrisMorgan
02:00:54 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: yes, I should be here for ~half an hour, but you never know, IE on this machine sometimes crashes the PC
02:01:14 <TimClark> ok, you have the floor :D
02:01:17 <ChrisMorgan> I think I've worked out what it is though (closing windows) so I'm being careful and it hasn't happened since I started being careful
02:01:43 <ChrisMorgan> Still don't understand why you do that, TimClark... ah well
02:01:50 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
02:01:59 <alpha1beta> bye gents
02:02:05 <ChrisMorgan> bye alpha1beta
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02:02:29 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: i am not available to give support or op help, but i'm not logged out, i'm just going to dinner
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02:02:45 <Oni-Neoxes> om nom nom
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02:02:53 <pabot> JacobMastel is an ameture AHK coder. If you need/want a script ask him he might do it for ya ;)
02:03:05 <App_Guy> Great your back
02:03:16 <TimClark> I don't understand why folks stay opped if there not here ... ah well
02:03:37 <JacobMastel> Hang on gotta print some pics for mother
02:04:29 <ZachThibeau> JacobMastel: you got amateur spelled wrong in your def :P
02:04:34 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: ok, it's just that when I go away I put a change in my nick as well as unopping
02:04:40 <ChrisMorgan> i.e.
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02:04:43 <JacobMastel> ZachThibeau: So fix it for me :P
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02:04:56 <JacobMastel> TimClark: So deop him yourself :P
02:04:57 <TimClark> way over done ChrisMorgan
02:04:57 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
02:05:00 <ZachThibeau> JacobMastel: you can in #rmccue
02:05:18 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: could be... but I don't think so.
02:05:34 <TimClark> anyway, food
02:05:39 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: you doin' SwordBible Portable?
02:05:50 <ChrisMorgan> I was intending to look at it some time soon, but you can have it if you like
02:06:00 <ZachThibeau> possibly
02:06:01 <ChrisMorgan> Personally though I reckon BPBible's much better.
02:06:10 <ChrisMorgan> Pretty much all the features SwordBible has plus loads more
02:06:46 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: I tried to explain but the guy just doesn't want to listen to reason :(
02:07:00 <ChrisMorgan> I'm commenting there too now :-)
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02:07:30 <ZachThibeau> go ahead ChrisMorgan :)
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02:09:19 <alpo41> Hi do any of the apps work with u3
02:09:42 <ChrisMorgan> alpo41: U3 and PortableApps.com are completely different systems.
02:09:55 <ZachThibeau> you should be able to install it to your u3 drive just not in the u3 menu though
02:10:08 <ChrisMorgan> U3 is a proprietary system with apps in a format quite different from the PortableApps.com Format.
02:10:20 <ChrisMorgan> They thus maintain different "menus" if you wish to call it that
02:10:55 <ChrisMorgan> Does that answer your question, alpo41?
02:11:38 <alpo41> yes what one is the best
02:12:06 <ChrisMorgan> U3 is drive-dependant, proprietary and dying
02:12:20 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com is a booming, open-source, drive-independant solution.
02:12:23 <ZachThibeau> PortableApps.com :) always developing :)
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02:12:36 <ChrisMorgan> Currently we only have open-source applications, but this will be changing soon.
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02:13:00 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM|Sleep: sleep-connecting, eh? :P
02:13:02 <alpo41> I can delete u3 and then install these
02:13:03 <daBomb69> alpo41: Dont forget, this is an IRC chanel 4 PortableApps.com, so, we're rather biased
02:13:11 <ChrisMorgan> daBomb69: ;-)
02:13:19 <daBomb69> :)
02:13:29 <daBomb69> ;-)
02:13:39 <ChrisMorgan> alpo41: yes, you can uninstall U3 and use PortableApps.com applications, or you can just install our apps on the drive while leaving U3 there.
02:14:37 <ChrisMorgan> If there is a particular app which you have on U3 which we don't have yet, you /may/ wish to keep U3. If not though, many like to get rid of it so that it doesn't keep on auto-running every time you start, and waste space, et cetera
02:14:41 <alpo41> I an new to this
02:15:14 <alpo41> will the pop up list open like it does now
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02:16:16 <alpo41> Chris are you for Coral Springs
02:16:28 <ChrisMorgan> I am from Melbourne, Australia
02:16:47 <ChrisMorgan> The PortableApps.com Platform is a menu like the U3 menu. However, because of the nasty hacky technique that U3 uses which we don't, you will need to start the PortableApps.com Platform manually or click the button in the auto-play window if it comes up
02:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, I walk aroud upside down singing crazy songs while I hop along through the bush on my pet kangaroo ;-)
02:17:26 <ChrisMorgan> ... or something :P
02:17:43 <Oni-Neoxes> o-o
02:17:43 <alpo41> Thanks
02:17:47 <Oni-Neoxes> kangaroo :D
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02:20:07 <alpo41> do you have teamviewer or something like it
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02:20:26 <Oni-Neoxes> Teamviewer V3
02:20:29 <Oni-Neoxes> PA format
02:20:31 <Oni-Neoxes> yes
02:20:46 <ChrisMorgan> Oni-Neoxes: a launcher, maybe.
02:20:54 <ChrisMorgan> Unchecked by anyone really though, and an old version
02:21:04 <Oni-Neoxes> i use it
02:21:05 <ChrisMorgan> You can use software like UltraVNC though
02:21:18 <ChrisMorgan> It's not so polished, but works fine from a USB disk
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02:21:49 <ZachThibeau> welcome back App_Guy
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02:22:23 <ChrisMorgan> Yeouch... SwordBible's SVN repository is a /mess/!
02:22:55 <Oni-Neoxes> Never heard of UltraVNC
02:22:57 <ZachThibeau> it's probably better than my svn repository XD
02:23:03 <ZachThibeau> Oni-Neoxes: :O
02:23:09 <ZachThibeau> you never heard of it
02:23:10 <Oni-Neoxes> :O?
02:23:12 <Oni-Neoxes> no
02:23:29 <ChrisMorgan> Unlikely... svn/SwordBible/SwordBible [version]/...
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02:23:52 <ChrisMorgan> Whereas it should be svn/trunk/... and svn/tags/[version]/... ...
02:23:54 <ChrisMorgan> :s
02:24:08 <Oni-Neoxes> ZachThibeau: Mind to introducing me to a link?
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02:24:11 <ChrisMorgan> uh oh... I can feel a rant about SVN directory structures coming...
02:25:07 <excid3> /me likes bazaar better tahn svn
02:25:17 <ChrisMorgan> :o
02:25:21 <ChrisMorgan> SVN ftw!
02:25:27 <excid3> svn ftnoobs
02:25:28 <excid3> :P
02:26:02 <excid3> have you ever used bzr?
02:26:03 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: ouch I guess you saw that one coming XD
02:26:05 <excid3> its really good
02:26:19 <ZachThibeau> no but I got a feeling you are going to tell us anyways :/
02:26:24 <ChrisMorgan> I have used SVN. I need go no further.
02:26:24 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: get ready in case he does
02:26:25 <ZachThibeau> :P
02:26:47 <ChrisMorgan> *ARGH* WHY DO PEOPLE IGNORE THE STANDARD SVN DIRECTORY STRUCTURES SO OFTEN...
02:26:49 * ChrisMorgan sobs
02:26:51 <excid3> i got introduced to it because all the ubuntu devs use it
02:26:55 <ChrisMorgan> ...it came...
02:27:03 <excid3> thats what she said ChrisMorgan
02:27:53 <ChrisMorgan> close... I almost closed an IE window then
02:27:59 <ChrisMorgan> and then I would've been done for.
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02:29:36 <ChrisMorgan> ok, g2g guys
02:29:45 <daBomb69> goodbye ChrisMorgan
02:29:57 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: take over, you have the floor *and* the ceiling ;-) :P
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02:33:08 <TimClark> hello PatrickPatience :D
02:33:14 <PatrickPatience> Hi.
02:33:27 <daBomb69> hello PatrickPatience
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02:37:49 <pabot> rbrt13 is Robert. He scripts php for fun and usually manages his site daily a bit too much ;) And... He likes potatos :D and is Robert. rbrt13 scripts in PHP for fun and likes to speak in the third person without using pronouns
02:37:54 <rbrt13> hello
02:38:03 <ZachThibeau> howdy rbrt13
02:38:08 <daBomb69> hello rbrt13
02:38:34 <dbdii407> hello friend that lives 5 miles from me (rbrt13)
02:38:35 <dbdii407> :P
02:38:51 <rbrt13> getting PHP help david?
02:39:04 <dbdii407> For what?
02:39:10 <rbrt13> your on ##php
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02:39:12 <pabot> JacobMastel is an ameture AHK coder. If you need/want a script ask him he might do it for ya ;)
02:39:14 <rbrt13> hello
02:39:18 <JacobMastel> Hi
02:39:22 <JacobMastel> Printer problems :-\
02:39:23 <JacobMastel> :(
02:39:25 <dbdii407> rbrt13: Ah yes. Along time ago
02:39:28 <dbdii407> (4 months ago)
02:39:33 <daBomb69> hello JacobMastel
02:39:38 <JacobMastel> How's it going daBomb69
02:39:42 <rbrt13> you are still registered as in that channel
02:39:47 <JacobMastel> heh?
02:39:58 <rbrt13> to dbdii407
02:40:02 <dbdii407> rbrt13: I know.
02:40:02 <JacobMastel> oh lol
02:40:08 <dbdii407> I decided to hang
02:40:10 <daBomb69> JacobMastel: wat kind of printer do u have?
02:40:19 <JacobMastel> Desjet D42660
02:40:35 <daBomb69> .g Desjet D42660
02:40:41 <JacobMastel> It's defaulty ink cartiridge gotta return it to staples
02:40:43 <pabot> daBomb69: No results found for 'Desjet D42660'.
02:40:50 <daBomb69> Sadly, i've never heard of it
02:40:52 <rbrt13> does anyone know how to include a config file in AHK
02:41:04 * dbdii407 points at JacobMastel
02:41:12 <JacobMastel> 4260
02:41:14 <JacobMastel> Sorry
02:41:19 <JacobMastel> rbrt13: yes
02:41:23 <excid3> -.-
02:41:28 <rbrt13> could you tell me how?
02:41:36 <JacobMastel> Why don't you move to -dev
02:41:38 <Bensawsome> hello guys >_>
02:41:40 <rbrt13> i am making something that could be useful
02:41:42 <JacobMastel> Looks like other people are using the room
02:42:02 <JacobMastel> #portableapps-dev
02:42:06 <rbrt13> ok
02:42:31 <Bensawsome> hey guys have there been any global messages lately?
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02:43:28 <TimClark> Bensawsome: nope
02:43:52 <Bensawsome> hmmm ok :/ there was a big netsplit a little while ago so i thought they might have said something... guess not :/
02:44:01 <TimClark> unless you count the world wide alert "Bensawsome is on the run, Get Him!"
02:44:04 <Oni-Neoxes> Holy Ben is Breathing!
02:44:05 <Bensawsome> :P
02:44:26 <Bensawsome> i been playing gta for the last.....2 or 3 hours i think
02:44:31 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
02:44:41 <Oni-Neoxes> I just finally got my Friends Doom 3 disc
02:44:43 <Bensawsome> lets see how many hours total i got :D
02:44:55 <Oni-Neoxes> and is expansion :3
02:45:13 <Bensawsome> lol
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02:47:30 <Bensawsome> gta time played: last 7 days = 15 hours, total = 106 hours XD
02:49:49 <TimClark> This is just rude " SplashKiller portable - stop splash screens on PA's" http://portableapps.com/node/18305
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02:50:39 <TimClark> the site requires javascript, so i can't download it, ZachThibeau did you download it, maybe upload it to our virus testing sites ?
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02:51:01 <ZachThibeau> I didn't download it yet but sure I'll do a scan for you
02:51:30 <TimClark> can i get a link to the download please
02:51:33 <ZachThibeau> that user I had to talk too about the use of his caps too
02:51:38 <Bensawsome> hey guys can virustotal.com scan inside archives?
02:51:43 <ZachThibeau> http://www.digitallis.co.uk/pc/downloads/SplashKiller.zip
02:51:44 <PatrickPatience> Not as rude as that chick complaining about us putting our logo on the menu.
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02:51:46 <pabot> kai_62656 is here. He's developing LMarbles, Lincity-NG, WinHTTrack Website Copier, Gourmet, and NVDA Portable.
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02:52:18 <kai_62656> hi pa_2584, how can we help you?
02:52:19 <JacobMastel> Hi pa_2584 how can we help you?
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02:52:58 <PatrickPatience> Lol, we just sound like freaky robots.
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02:53:20 <JacobMastel> Oh shut up PatrickPatience :P
02:53:38 <ZachThibeau> :P
02:54:09 <ZachThibeau> TimClark: for the exe file in the archive http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/dbff7db9d3ddc12926b87ce98f65146e
02:54:09 <PatrickPatience> I say next user looking for support 20 of us flood him with that canned line. :-)
02:54:29 <dbdii407> :D
02:54:44 <ZachThibeau> I say let's not and say we did ;)
02:54:56 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: how about the .dll ?
02:55:02 <dbdii407> i say we do and ignore ZachThibeau's idea. :P
02:55:19 <ZachThibeau> TimClark: scanning now
02:55:29 <ZachThibeau> TimClark: http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/abfc8833838498f55d15008497b8795a
02:56:36 <JacobMastel> As far as I can tell it's clean
02:56:41 <JacobMastel> He's just stupid
02:56:49 <JacobMastel> Someone might wanna tell him about our .ini's...
02:57:17 <TimClark> He will say it's a way to zap them all at once
02:57:39 <JacobMastel> ...
02:57:41 <JacobMastel> so what.
02:57:51 <JacobMastel> The autorun thing fails in of it's self
02:58:06 <JacobMastel> You can't run both PAM and his thing via the same .inf
02:58:13 <JacobMastel> Windows will only let you choose one..
02:59:24 <dbdii407> Take a risk, Take a chance, make a change!
02:59:39 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: if you have the download link i would like to see it
02:59:46 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: make that in pm
03:00:00 <JacobMastel> lol
03:01:35 <dbdii407> This will sure to make you download his app! "save the rainforests with one mouse-click"
03:01:43 <dbdii407> O_o Not..
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03:02:03 <JacobMastel> Hi daBomb69
03:02:08 <daBomb69> Hello
03:02:25 <JacobMastel> Did ya miss us?
03:02:32 <daBomb69> perhaps...
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03:03:57 <TimClark> JacobMastel: it looks like it can be run without the autorun as well, it's a resident program that will just try to kill any and all splash screens, interesting if it works
03:04:12 <JacobMastel> But pointless
03:04:22 <TimClark> But kinda tacky to post it in our forum
03:04:41 <TimClark> as a way to block our splash screens
03:04:48 <JacobMastel> Wouldn't it just be better to make a script that will just move the .ini's from the other folder to the proper place automatically?
03:05:09 <dbdii407> JacobMastel: We're to lazy to do that. :/
03:05:17 <JacobMastel> You might be...
03:05:26 <TimClark> it stops all spash screens, not just ours JacobMastel
03:05:32 * dbdii407 uses Linux. Lol
03:06:15 <TimClark> any way, it seems like at least it's not infected as far as I can tell :O
03:06:47 <JacobMastel> Interesting nick...http://portableapps.com/node/17954#new
03:07:24 <dbdii407> A link you cannot copy. :O
03:08:08 <TimClark> JacobMastel: wonder why he posted it there ?
03:08:32 <JacobMastel> Who posted what?
03:08:46 <dbdii407> JacobMastel: REmove splash app
03:08:58 <TimClark> oh, nm, he's from canada
03:09:10 <TimClark> no dbdii407 the one with the interesting nick
03:09:19 <dbdii407> Oh. Gotcha
03:09:20 <dbdii407> :)
03:09:44 <TimClark> anyway, he is from canada, so we have to give him a break i guess :P
03:10:12 <JacobMastel> Yeah being that close to PatrickPatience would kinda mess me up too :S :P
03:11:36 <JacobMastel> Dinner! :D
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03:13:08 <TimClark> Someone in a gov department downloaded a file sharing program and the Iranians got the plans for Marine One [the presidents helicopter] :O
03:13:23 <daBomb69> orly?
03:14:03 <Bensawsome> o_0
03:14:10 <dbdii407> -_O
03:14:10 <Bensawsome> oh shit....... thats not good
03:14:20 <TimClark> Carefull with those file sharing programs kids
03:14:20 <daBomb69> did they really?
03:14:32 * dbdii407 is not a kid
03:14:45 <TimClark> daBomb69: yes, why would i say it if it were not true
03:15:46 <daBomb69> where the heck did the people get the marine one planes anyway? And wat ideot was stupid enough to allow their file sharing program to share it?
03:17:15 <dbdii407> daBomb69: The government
03:17:49 <TimClark> daBomb69: reply is in -ot
03:17:59 <daBomb69> thnx
03:24:17 <TimClark> Good night all, PatrickPatience the floor is yours :D
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03:27:04 <dbdii407> If he's even here...
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03:36:59 <PatrickPatience> (10:35:01 PM) TimClark: [17:13:43] Someone in a gov department downloaded a file sharing program and the Iranians got the plans for Marine One [the presidents helicopter] :O
03:37:00 <PatrickPatience> Hahahahaha!
03:37:31 <Bensawsome> no not haha PatrickPatience :/
03:37:31 <daBomb69> PatrickPatience: U live in Canada, right?
03:37:47 <Bensawsome> now they prbly will have to redesign marine one :/
03:38:12 <daBomb69> And the redesining money will come from us, the taxpayers :-(
03:38:33 <Bensawsome> exactly :/
03:38:40 <Bensawsome> and the president will be in danger :/
03:38:54 <Bensawsome> I HAZ NO SCHOOL TOMORROW :D
03:39:01 <daBomb69> LUCKY!!
03:39:13 <Bensawsome> wow they canncled it already :/
03:39:43 <daBomb69> where do u live?
03:42:52 * Mir has no school tomorrow
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03:43:16 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is wondering why he hangs out here. I mean... He doesn't develop or anything...
03:43:37 * daBomb69 is saddened that he does have school 2morrow
03:43:42 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello everyone :D
03:43:53 <daBomb69> hello Oni-Neoxes
03:43:54 <Mir> because i can go in any @$% time i want because i paid $$$ so i $(*& well better have a flexable class
03:44:30 <Oni-Neoxes> thats odd
03:44:54 <Oni-Neoxes> I was getting 160 kb/s downloads now im getting 15kb/s downloads
03:45:31 <dbdii407> O_o
03:45:32 <Oni-Neoxes> or maybe its the speeds ftp. gives?
03:45:32 <daBomb69> wow, thats messed up yo
03:45:46 <Oni-Neoxes> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/win32/ im getting the update there
03:45:55 <Oni-Neoxes> its going at 10 kb/s
03:46:14 <Oni-Neoxes> Bytes FTI
03:46:20 <Oni-Neoxes> FYI
03:46:59 <Oni-Neoxes> ima try someting
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03:53:39 <daBomb69> g'night ya'll
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04:02:53 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
04:03:56 <JohnTHaller> hi all
04:07:39 <rbrt13> hello
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04:07:57 <JacobMastel> Hi all
04:08:03 <rbrt13> hello
04:09:29 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
04:09:54 <JacobMastel> I second that greeting :P
04:10:04 <ZachThibeau> lol
04:11:06 <ZachThibeau> anyways I think I will hit the sack :) night all
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04:11:20 <JacobMastel> Don't hit it too hard
04:11:25 <JacobMastel> you'll hurt yourself
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04:13:36 <pabot> LOGAN is a person that's crazy over fun portable stuff.
04:14:13 <LOGAN> morning
04:14:35 <JacobMastel> hi LOGAN
04:14:40 <JacobMastel> And it's night :S
04:14:44 <JacobMastel> :P
04:17:36 <LOGAN> after 12PM?
04:18:07 <JacobMastel> 8:18pm
04:18:34 <LOGAN> Oo really? its 5:18AM here
04:18:46 <JacobMastel> Yeah amazing things happen when you live on a round planet
04:18:47 <JacobMastel> :P
04:19:06 <LOGAN> nah YOU live on the other side :P
04:20:08 <LOGAN> aand I created my first (test) DVD with DVD Styler
04:20:57 <JacobMastel> Where do you live?
04:20:57 * JohnTHaller is tired
04:21:13 * JacobMastel feels for you
04:22:13 * PatrickPatience wants to write an iPhone application.
04:23:13 <LOGAN> I live in Europe
04:23:17 <JacobMastel> PatrickPatience: why?
04:23:29 <LOGAN> money money money
04:23:50 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: Eww... why? It's a mess to develop. Most don't make money now. And it may not even make it into the app store.
04:24:48 <JacobMastel> Iphone apps are just a fad. Honestly there used to be a ton of pay only apps most are slowly turning free :P
04:25:27 <JohnTHaller> Developing free apps for iPhone that you hope to make money on ads is a waste of time. Most people use an app for about a day.
04:25:44 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Yeah, it's a locked down system, but there's tons of cool open source folks that have got some apps in their (Colloquy, TwitterFon [developer of TwitterFox], WordPress).
04:25:58 <PatrickPatience> And it's a quick buck. You sell it for 99 cents and you could mke some good money.
04:26:23 <PatrickPatience> Yeah, the cracked app scene is huge, and there's plenty of folks reverse engineering apps with extra protections, I've been watching the scene.
04:26:43 <LOGAN> people are willing to pay 99cents for an iapp
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04:27:04 <PatrickPatience> Like a 10 buck app, FTP On The Go. Great app, steep price. Kindly enough, they didn't lock down the entire app when it knew it was cracked, they simply disabled bookmarks.
04:27:05 <JacobMastel> Not me. ther'es enough free stuff that probably does whatever that payed app does
04:27:18 <PatrickPatience> Sadly, that was hacked and removed by a cracker.
04:27:40 <LOGAN> lol
04:27:45 <PatrickPatience> JacobMastel: I've been in and watching the App Store scene for months now, some people are making a killing, some are just breaking even.
04:27:59 <PatrickPatience> Then again, there's a developer who confronted the cracked of his application.
04:28:11 <PatrickPatience> He was kind the to cracked, and the cracked replied in email a few times.
04:28:19 <JohnTHaller> Slashdot.org: We're Just Not That Into You, iPhone Apps: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/21/2157206 (next day, paid app return is only 30% of people. free only 20%. drops off dramatically after)
04:28:26 <PatrickPatience> He wound up offering a 1 buck version, and a free version with that.
04:28:35 <PatrickPatience> And sales increased 100 percent in on day.
04:28:51 <PatrickPatience> So yeah, there's a lot of people using cracked apps, but it's semi-good promotion as well.
04:29:18 <LOGAN> hope any jailbreaked iphone gets the brick threatment :)
04:29:20 <PatrickPatience> Colloquy is doing pretty well.
04:29:44 <PatrickPatience> They're charging 2 bucks and making some good money for their work finally, keeping the mobile version open source as well.
04:30:07 <JohnTHaller> In order to make money, you need to have it real cheap and get 20,000 downloads before you're in, so you need a userbase outside the appstore first.
04:30:19 <JohnTHaller> Appstore Secrets: http://www.pinchmedia.com/appstore-secrets/
04:30:32 <LOGAN> JohnTHaller: 20.000 times 2 dollor = rich :)
04:30:54 <JohnTHaller> you need to have that many downloads BEFORE it'll grow organically in the app store
04:31:09 <JohnTHaller> which means you need to spend $ to advertise it or partner with a big brand
04:31:27 <PatrickPatience> Granted, the App Store sucks... it sucks horribly. Apple is filled with idiots.
04:31:28 <LOGAN> imagine you make 1 small 1 dollar app a month and sells hmm enough for a months worth
04:31:46 <PatrickPatience> In Canada we can't use PayPal or Gift Cards, therefore tons of folks are forced to the cracked app scene.
04:31:58 <JacobMastel> Why not?
04:31:59 <PatrickPatience> Crackulous is released for one-tap cracking and Apple hasn't said a word.
04:32:01 <JohnTHaller> what are the chances of anyone FINDING your small app, though, now that there are thousands of useless apps
04:32:28 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: It depends what you write and how you promote it.
04:32:38 <LOGAN> by becoming a one dollar app creator with regular apps
04:32:46 <PatrickPatience> Cheat the system, start it of free for a couple weeks, but let them know it will be going up to a buck.
04:32:49 <LOGAN> make a small name for yourself
04:33:23 <PatrickPatience> JacobMastel: Because Apple = Idiots?
04:33:26 <LOGAN> have your own .com to advertise your apps
04:33:26 <JohnTHaller> most devs i talked to aren't doing iphone apps anymore. combo of it being too crowded a space and apple's 'we can pull your app for no reason if we feel like it' attitude
04:33:39 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Yeah, that is BS too.
04:33:47 <PatrickPatience> Another reason the App Store sucks.
04:33:55 <LOGAN> then do it for the newer platforms up and coming
04:34:14 <PatrickPatience> But I'm a kid. Potentially, if I write a simple app that catches on, I could make a good bit of cash.
04:34:14 <LOGAN> Qt will be LGPL this month and has mobile applications too
04:34:16 <JohnTHaller> i know several that are doing android apps now instead. less competition (for now anyway) and no worries about google shutting them down.
04:34:29 <PatrickPatience> Apposed to writing something else and trying to get it out on the internet.
04:34:50 <PatrickPatience> I heard the Android will be quite locked down as well, unfortauntely.
04:34:50 <JacobMastel> PatrickPatience: What happened to OSS?
04:34:53 <PatrickPatience> Not that I don't love mit.
04:35:00 <LOGAN> I had a laugh at KDE for Windows
04:35:02 <PatrickPatience> JacobMastel: What happened to making a living? :-P
04:35:02 <JacobMastel> What's Android?
04:35:02 <LOGAN> lol
04:35:07 <PatrickPatience> It can still be open source.
04:35:08 <JacobMastel> :A
04:35:11 <JacobMastel> :S
04:35:19 <PatrickPatience> Collloquy is open source and charge 2 bucks.
04:35:22 <PatrickPatience> Seems quite fair to me.
04:35:27 <LOGAN> googlrd mobilr OS
04:35:30 <PatrickPatience> Considering the desktop client is still free.
04:35:30 <LOGAN> google
04:36:01 <JohnTHaller> Nope. The Google app store will only remove harmful apps. And you can install it directly yourself (sans app store) unlike the iPhone.
04:36:21 <PatrickPatience> And then there's this lameness with Apple declaring jailbreaking illegal.
04:36:37 <PatrickPatience> THAT is one hell of an open source scene.
04:36:40 <LOGAN> with enough competition Apple might consider open their iphone eventually
04:36:46 <PatrickPatience> All the iPhone Dev Teams tools are open source.
04:36:50 <PatrickPatience> Along with their methods.
04:36:58 <PatrickPatience> And oddly enough, Crackulous is planned to be open source.
04:37:04 <PatrickPatience> Bad idea IMHO. :-P
04:37:06 <JohnTHaller> iphone will always be a closed system. it's the way apple works
04:37:16 <LOGAN> eventually
04:37:17 <PatrickPatience> yuuup.
04:37:42 <PatrickPatience> VLC Remote is a nice app. Offer a free version as well.
04:38:45 <PatrickPatience> I wish the Open Moko would move.
04:38:47 <LOGAN> anyway I dont earn enough to have a iPhone anyway. in europe iphones only sold by single provider thus makes it very expensive
04:38:51 <PatrickPatience> *Openmoko
04:38:58 <JacobMastel> LOGAN: ouch
04:39:01 <JohnTHaller> openmoko is dead
04:39:19 <LOGAN> here in the land of the cheap ill wait for a real open platform
04:39:26 <PatrickPatience> Pshh. They're just REEAAAALY slow. :-P
04:39:36 * dbdii407 is going to bed. Gn
04:39:38 <JacobMastel> I've got a friend from the Czech Republic and he said that when he bought his here it was like a 1/3 cheeper
04:40:22 <PatrickPatience> I just find the iPhone appealing because there's so many application possibilities.
04:40:28 <LOGAN> hmm maybe i look at Qt ( http://www.qtsoftware.com/ ) now from Nokia
04:40:31 <PatrickPatience> Tethering the internet is my favorite.
04:40:35 * JacobMastel loves his Zune
04:40:47 <PatrickPatience> As Rogers launched their data plan to quickly they didn't put a restriction on the usage methods.
04:41:08 <PatrickPatience> Though the HTC Dream looks sexy. :-)
04:42:01 <LOGAN> zune... MicroSoft Zune??? I rather have no smart phone :P
04:42:17 <PatrickPatience> The Zune is just an MP3 player.
04:42:20 <JohnTHaller> Same possibilities on Android as on iPhone. Similar on WinMo.
04:42:30 <LOGAN> I have a dumb phone, but one with electronic paper
04:42:47 <JacobMastel> Yes LOGAN I love my zune :D
04:42:54 <JacobMastel> And yes it is just an mp3 :p
04:43:02 <LOGAN> LALALALA I'm not hearing you
04:43:12 <JacobMastel> LOGAN: don't like zunes?
04:43:26 <JacobMastel> you don't have to hear me I don' think I can yell all the way to Europe...
04:43:29 <LOGAN> its microsoft, always behind and well...
04:43:30 <JacobMastel> Just see my text :P
04:43:34 <JacobMastel> :O
04:43:46 <JacobMastel> notice this community is a MS community...:P
04:43:54 <LOGAN> so?
04:44:03 <LOGAN> it's just an OS
04:44:12 <LOGAN> and runs my apps
04:44:22 * JacobMastel doesn't like Linux for the most part ;P
04:44:43 <LOGAN> Linux doesnt run my games nor my developement software
04:44:58 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Windows Mobile drives me crazy.
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04:47:25 <PatrickPatience> Has anyone ever seen Plan 9 From Outer Space?
04:47:58 <LOGAN> not yet
04:48:33 <PatrickPatience> Not yet? It came out like 30 years ago. :-P
04:48:52 <JacobMastel> lol
04:49:33 <LOGAN> i planned to view some movies on the classic science fiction channel
04:49:42 <SergentSiler> :P
04:49:52 <SergentSiler> oops, wrong windows XD
04:49:53 <LOGAN> its in google video
04:49:56 <SergentSiler> window*
04:50:01 <JacobMastel> .g Plan 9 From Outer Space
04:50:03 <pabot> JacobMastel: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052077/
04:50:05 <PatrickPatience> My apologies, 50 yeats ago.
04:50:10 <LOGAN> indeed
04:50:12 <LOGAN> lol
04:50:17 <PatrickPatience> It's the worst movie of all time.
04:50:19 <PatrickPatience> SO funny.
04:50:23 <PatrickPatience> I suggest you watch it some time.
04:50:46 <LOGAN> i had bookmarked the rimworlds link
04:51:04 <LOGAN> is it out of copyright yet?
04:51:17 <PatrickPatience> Not too sure.
04:51:36 <PatrickPatience> Man, I can't wait for Watchmen.
04:52:04 <LOGAN> Night Of The Living Dead was (due to the fact that they forgot to copyright the movie, lol) I got the 3D version. (Dons his 3D goggles
04:53:50 <PatrickPatience> Anyone seen Mr. Accident?
04:53:54 <PatrickPatience> By / with Yahoo Serious.
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04:55:02 <LOGAN> nope. gonna watch some vids now... hope to see something new soon ;)
05:00:39 <PatrickPatience> Nobody's seen Mr. Accident?
05:00:43 <PatrickPatience> Man, so good.
05:01:22 <PatrickPatience> Bahahah! http://xkcd.com/550/
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05:02:43 <PatrickPatience> 4 meme's in one.
05:02:45 <PatrickPatience> Amazing.
05:03:05 <SergentSiler> lol
05:03:16 <PatrickPatience> Does anyone know them all?
05:04:00 <PatrickPatience> Xibit meme with object in your object.
05:04:00 <PatrickPatience> How is babby formed?
05:04:00 <PatrickPatience> I accidentally the whole coke bottle.
05:04:00 <PatrickPatience> All your base are belong to us.
05:04:00 <PatrickPatience> Amazing.
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05:22:04 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually).
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05:45:35 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
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05:48:10 * ChrisMorgan wishes Sun would let us redistribute Java as Java Portable...
05:50:33 * Bensawsome noms on Sun then goes to bed....maybe
05:51:40 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I think that we're ready to go with your reorg table for d/t/s - I think we've got 5 of people saying yes, and rmccue saying he doesn't care - i.e. ~50%. The rest haven't commented.
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05:52:08 <SrgSiler|Sleep> g'nite all
05:52:13 <JohnTHaller> sorry... was compiling an update for the platform test.
05:52:47 <Bensawsome> hey JohnTHaller and sweet ^_^
05:52:49 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, btw, I tested TEST4, looks fine to me.
05:53:00 <ChrisMorgan> And I made that list of language variables for Bart.S from it :-)
05:53:00 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/Platform_1.2_TEST5.7z
05:53:03 <Bensawsome> :D
05:53:08 <ChrisMorgan> What's new in T5?
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05:53:28 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: sorry? You responded within a minute, that's pretty good in my books as they go...
05:53:48 <JohnTHaller> Just minor updates.. You install to X:\ now as it includes the Start.exe and custom folders with the new icons we're using. A minor bug in the English locale was fixed. And Backup/Restore is now multilignaul (English, German, Portuguese)
05:54:14 <ChrisMorgan> Renamed to Start.exe from StartPortableApps.exe?
05:54:15 <Bensawsome> ok JohnTHaller thanks ^_^
05:54:23 <JohnTHaller> no, just didn't type it all
05:54:30 <Bensawsome> shoot its on my other comp -_-
05:54:30 <ChrisMorgan> ok
05:54:35 <Bensawsome> grawr
05:54:58 <JohnTHaller> It's self contained, so you can unzip it anywhere just to see it and the new backup/restore in german/portuguese and custom folder icons
05:55:08 <ChrisMorgan> So, shall we scrap all the discussion and random tables/lists in d/t/s and go with your table?
05:55:09 <JohnTHaller> It doesn't need an existing setup now
05:55:23 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: yeah, i say we go with it and get moving.
05:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> OK! Shall I clear the page?
05:56:02 <JohnTHaller> Go for it Chris. Edit my example as a sample line so all of it is there. And then add an app or two you've tested.
05:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> We go with one table for PR+DT, not one each I hope?
05:57:04 <JohnTHaller> one table for all me thinks
05:57:25 <ChrisMorgan> Good. It'll be much cleaner and easier to maintain.
05:57:38 <Bensawsome> wait john did you say the test5 comes with a start.exe?
05:58:17 <JohnTHaller> i already said i was just abbreviating. just look in the zip
05:58:37 <Bensawsome> i know but i mean it comes with it? cause im nopt seeing it :/
05:58:48 <JohnTHaller> SIGH
05:58:56 <JohnTHaller> once again, it is called StartPortableApps.exe\
05:59:09 <Bensawsome> i know but its not there....
05:59:14 <JohnTHaller> haha
05:59:22 <JohnTHaller> and I'm an idiot since I linked the wrong test
05:59:30 <JohnTHaller> http:\\portableapps.com\temp
05:59:37 <JohnTHaller> http:\\portableapps.com\temp\Platform_1.2_TEST6.7z
05:59:47 <JohnTHaller> TEST6. TEST5 is from yesterday... DUH
05:59:48 <JohnTHaller> sorry
05:59:54 <Bensawsome> oooooo lol sry didnt know there had been a test5 already :/
06:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> No, nor did I...
06:01:59 <Bensawsome> ah there we go ^_^
06:03:15 <ChrisMorgan> He he he... should I put myself as a "Part-time (voluntary) worker at PortableApps.com"?
06:03:15 <ChrisMorgan> on my resume?
06:04:07 <ChrisMorgan> Sometimes it gets more towards full-time :P
06:04:23 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: You don't have to specify part-time, full-time. You need to make it clear it's not a job. But you could put it under relevant experience
06:04:38 <ChrisMorgan> :P
06:04:43 <ChrisMorgan> Of course :P
06:04:49 <Bensawsome> :D
06:04:50 <Bensawsome> nice
06:05:11 <ChrisMorgan> When there's a job opening at PortableApps.com, I'll be there ;-)
06:05:20 <ChrisMorgan> So long as I can work from Australia :P
06:07:41 <JohnTHaller> well, i can pay you negative money like myself
06:08:21 <Bensawsome> :/
06:09:36 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: do you have hopes of it becoming a profitable enterprise after you've got hardware bundling sorted out and going?
06:10:28 <JohnTHaller> Oh definitely. We're on the right track
06:10:34 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
06:10:39 <Bensawsome> :D
06:10:40 <JohnTHaller> I have another meeting this week here in NY actually.
06:10:42 <Bensawsome> ya JohnTHaller ^_^
06:10:46 <Bensawsome> YAAAA
06:10:47 <ChrisMorgan> I hope it does go that way for you - you definitely deserve it!
06:10:53 <ChrisMorgan> Any in Melbourne for me? :P
06:10:56 <Bensawsome> ya totally ^_^
06:11:07 <Bensawsome> how about CT >_>
06:11:09 <Bensawsome> lol
06:11:42 <Bensawsome> shoot i hate my old computer... being SOOO slow
06:12:09 <Bensawsome> oh there we go
06:12:18 <Bensawsome> wow it took about 5 minutes to load...
06:12:34 <ChrisMorgan> Bensawsome: probably 'cos you've got so many apps
06:12:43 <Bensawsome> lol true dat
06:12:54 <Bensawsome> i prbly have around... 200?
06:13:00 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: will a later release of PAP cache entries in some way (don't know how it could)
06:13:10 <Bensawsome> YES PLZ
06:13:20 <JohnTHaller> entries?
06:13:24 <Bensawsome> and also the mod did it with a simple file :)
06:13:31 <Bensawsome> JohnTHaller: the list of apps
06:13:42 <Bensawsome> i have 200 or so that need to load every time i start it :/
06:13:57 <ChrisMorgan> More to the point, the icons.
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06:14:03 <JohnTHaller> The list isn't the issue... it's getting the icons outta EXEs. 1.5 gets the icons directly from appicon.ico for PAF apps anc caches ones for non-PAF.
06:14:05 <ChrisMorgan> If you don't do the icons, it's lightning fast.
06:14:10 <JohnTHaller> It was gonna be in 1.2 but I didn't have time
06:14:14 <Bensawsome> :D
06:14:52 <JohnTHaller> Oh, old-school 7-zip self-extractors are less supported now. You need to run the installer (from menu or not) and then do Refresh App Icons./
06:15:05 <Bensawsome> ok
06:15:11 <Bensawsome> lol i remember those... XD
06:15:14 <JohnTHaller> It's because the PortableApps.com Installers run out of process and now tell the menu when they're done.
06:15:32 <JohnTHaller> So, even ifg you start an installer from the menu, you can go back to using the menu and your apps while it is installing.
06:15:46 <ChrisMorgan> When I was loading the images into a ListView with AutoHotkey, I actually found that using the icon and details from the exe was about 2-3% faster than getting them from the appinfo.ini and appicon.ico files.
06:16:04 <ChrisMorgan> But that's AutoHotkey.
06:16:32 <Bensawsome> ok...... one reccomendation.. do not click the about updater in the help part of the menu....
06:16:39 <JohnTHaller> why not
06:16:47 <Bensawsome> it just opened 50 tabs of the same thing...
06:17:00 <Bensawsome> and my computer is now frozen -_-
06:17:05 <Bensawsome> the one im doing it on i mean
06:17:15 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what should we do about the language variables for launchers (see http://portableapps.com/node/18293#comment-112781 )?
06:17:17 <JohnTHaller> odd. worked fine for me on multiple tests
06:17:24 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon that a table would be good, but where?
06:17:34 <JohnTHaller> i already answered: http://portableapps.com/node/18293#comment-112858
06:17:46 <Bensawsome> hmm JohnTHaller ill try it one more time if my computer will come back to life :/
06:17:48 <JohnTHaller> we'll just be linking to resources that describe it
06:18:06 <ChrisMorgan> whoops... missed it before!
06:18:08 <JohnTHaller> Bensawsome: did you have Firefox Portable installed in that suite instance?
06:18:10 <ChrisMorgan> k
06:18:26 <Bensawsome> ya
06:18:27 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: so why do the OO.o people want a copy of PAP?
06:18:40 <JohnTHaller> they're distributing it at cebit this week in germany
06:18:53 <ChrisMorgan> PAP+OO.oP?
06:18:59 <Bensawsome> could that effect it JohnTHaller?
06:19:06 <JohnTHaller> The whole German suite
06:19:15 <JohnTHaller> Bensawsome: no, it also works fine in my text
06:19:20 <Bensawsome> oh ok
06:19:22 <Bensawsome> hmmm
06:19:23 <ChrisMorgan> ah! sounds good for them :-)
06:19:35 <Bensawsome> i think its responding now so ill close it and try again :/
06:20:56 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: yeah, they're giving away drives with it. and talking about oo.o portable in one of the presentations at the show
06:21:41 <JohnTHaller> yeah, Bensawsome I just tested it with and without FFP and it works fine
06:21:42 <ChrisMorgan> Giving away!
06:21:48 * ChrisMorgan whizzes off to Germany :P
06:21:51 <Bensawsome> ah there we go JohnTHaller... only opened one this time... must have just been a one time fluke :/
06:22:07 <ChrisMorgan> Bensawsome: which makes it worse... :-(
06:22:14 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: yeah. so I wanted one with our new branding for them to do. Hence the quick 1.2 release instead of waiting for 1.5
06:22:44 <JohnTHaller> menu definitely feels snappier without the fade
06:22:52 <Bensawsome> now i must bid you guys adoo (or however you spell it)
06:22:55 <Bensawsome> nite ^_^
06:22:58 <JohnTHaller> adieu
06:23:05 <Bensawsome> ah ok
06:23:08 <Bensawsome> ty ^_^
06:23:19 <Bensawsome> either way though g-nite
06:23:31 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I still think that the sad thing is the slow start-up speed which dispels all traces of snappiness for the first use :-(
06:23:41 <ChrisMorgan> Hopefully 1.5'll speed this up
06:25:20 <ChrisMorgan> ajoo Bensawsome
06:26:02 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: with a live check there is no way around it. at all. you'd have to cache it, which means you miss all changes until the user manually hits refresh.
06:26:33 <JohnTHaller> ... which means users have to manually do everything, really
06:26:55 <ChrisMorgan> I dunno, could you do something like cache a list of the directories in PortableApps and check any new directories which may be there?
06:27:39 <JohnTHaller> debated that, but then you'd miss changes in the apps, which can happen (new icon graphics, new entries for multi-icon apps, etc). so it's either auto like ours or manual like pstart. etc
06:29:08 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm; you can't really depend on the platform always running when people install apps
06:29:21 <JohnTHaller> yeah that's the issue
06:29:56 <JohnTHaller> so i may cache it and do a quick directory comparison. users will need to manually refresh if an app has changed internally, though. it may be an option, off by default, which would work
06:30:18 <ChrisMorgan> D'ya reckon it'd be worthwhile having an Options item "Cache entries" which put up a message box explaining the pros and cons?
06:30:27 <ChrisMorgan> ah, you suggested it!
06:31:05 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon that that's probably the best way of doing it, quick dir check, config option.
06:31:16 <ChrisMorgan> As to whether it should be off by default or not, I don't know.
06:31:31 <JohnTHaller> it'll be a bit complicated with the PAF apps and the nonPAF apps, though, to ensure renaming and hiding entries stay consistent
06:31:36 <ChrisMorgan> It'd feel more snappy though if you showed the menu at the start, and put "Loading..." and a throbber, or something like that
06:32:05 <JohnTHaller> it's gonna be off by default for absolute sure. many users are non-techies and they shouldn't have to do anytying manually
06:32:15 <JohnTHaller> there will be a splash in 1.5+
06:32:19 <JohnTHaller> with a progress bar
06:32:54 <JohnTHaller> which will be important when loading apps, loading theme, loading portable fonts, auto-starting apps.
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06:33:33 <JohnTHaller> may forgo splash and just incorporate into the menu. will see
06:33:34 <ChrisMorgan> Splash... what sort of splash? I feel rather uneasy about having a system modal splash waiting until it's done if it takes more than a few seconds
06:33:49 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: Loading portable fonts? Good :-)
06:33:55 <JohnTHaller> a splash is never system model, chris
06:34:02 <JohnTHaller> unless you fail. badly. at developing
06:34:11 <JohnTHaller> modal
06:34:16 <JohnTHaller> (i fail at typing apparently)
06:34:26 <ChrisMorgan> The NSIS ones are system modal
06:34:35 <JohnTHaller> the platform is delphi
06:34:46 <ChrisMorgan> I know that, just didn't know what you'd do
06:35:03 <JohnTHaller> it'll be a simple form with a splash graphic and a graphical progress bar.
06:35:08 <ChrisMorgan> Your portable fonts loader would use the gdi32.dll [Add/Remove]FontResource I presume
06:35:23 <JohnTHaller> it would have to be in delphi since all the stuff we're tracking is in the delphi menu/platform
06:35:26 <JohnTHaller> yup[
06:36:24 <ChrisMorgan> oh yeah, followed by HWND_BROADCASTing the WM_FONTCHANGE :-)
06:36:48 <JohnTHaller> yup
06:36:53 <JohnTHaller> and same on menu exit
06:37:05 <ChrisMorgan> yes :-)
06:37:11 <ChrisMorgan> Good, glad to hear that'll be implemented in the platform :-)
06:37:21 <JohnTHaller> and the splash with the progress bar has icons for the different bits that startout faded and become colored as they are accomplished
06:37:28 <ChrisMorgan> It's just those sorts of useful little things... :-)
06:37:51 <JohnTHaller> I may be incorporating it directly into the menu. Have it appear on the app icons list. May make more sense
06:38:09 <ChrisMorgan> Like the Mac OS 7 and old versions of Linux startup... *sigh* :-)
06:38:36 <JohnTHaller> Hehe... yup. I like it :-)
06:38:41 <ChrisMorgan> You'd want a "Portable Font Manager" thing
06:38:43 <JohnTHaller> They'll be tiny, though.
06:38:46 <ChrisMorgan> I like that sort of thing too.
06:38:48 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well :P
06:39:29 <ChrisMorgan> ARG! I just forgot a semicolon :P
06:39:31 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: There won't be any interface to add/remove fonts for now. You just place em in the directory before you start the platform for now. The GUI will be in 2.0 when we have time for translations
06:40:16 * ChrisMorgan wishes he had such a bank of translators... BPBible has now got German and Hungarian, I s'pose that's a start :P
06:40:27 <ChrisMorgan> Bengali, Telugu and Hindi should come some time soon...
06:41:04 <ChrisMorgan> While we were in Kolkata we taught the person we want to do the Bengali translation how to type in Bengali (using Avro Keyboard) - and very successfully, too :-)
06:41:34 <ChrisMorgan> Avro Keyboard has a portable mode - which, presumably, uses the Add/RemoveFontResource technique to load and unload its fonts
06:42:02 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I think your original post asking for translators turned some people off since you'd said Christian only.
06:42:10 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah... :-(
06:42:19 <ChrisMorgan> That didn't exactly go off very well :-(
06:42:48 <JohnTHaller> I know if I'd read that and was thinking of translating, I'd say no permanently unless the project lead was changed.
06:43:00 <ChrisMorgan> The two we've got came from a request at bpbible.com though
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06:46:45 <upnPAD> Anyone good with the cmd line/.bat files? I've got the USB version of IRSSI for Windows (which runs from a .bat file), and I'm wondering if the cmd prompt through IRSSI runs through can be configured in the bat file?
06:48:31 <ChrisMorgan> explain?
06:48:44 <ChrisMorgan> pastebin?
06:50:30 <upnPAD> ChrisMorgan, http://pastebin.com/d72d47bf4
06:50:37 <upnPAD> and
06:50:41 <upnPAD> see the table at the bottom of this site
06:50:43 <upnPAD> http://commandwindows.com/configure.htm
06:50:49 <upnPAD> you can configure the cmd prompt like that
06:50:51 <upnPAD> but
06:50:58 <JohnTHaller> oh yeah, final note for any platform test6 users, on windows 9x machines, it'll use the background_opaque.png with no rounded corners (since transparent bits just show as pink on wind9x anyway)
06:51:02 <upnPAD> hm, im not even sure if the bat file calls the cmd or if irssi does
06:51:11 <JohnTHaller> upnPAD: how about longer posts rather than 6 short ones in a row?
06:51:30 <upnPAD> JohnTHaller, rightio ;)
06:52:27 <ChrisMorgan> upnPAD: colours, title, yes.
06:52:36 <ChrisMorgan> QuickEdit, don't think that that can be done with command line stuff
06:52:49 <upnPAD> ChrisMorgan, yeah, but, how would I do it in that .BAT file then?
06:53:00 <ChrisMorgan> Do which?
06:53:08 <upnPAD> Change the colours etc
06:53:13 <upnPAD> .g QuickEdit
06:53:15 <pabot> upnPAD: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100449/
06:53:16 <ChrisMorgan> Try color 3a :D
06:53:21 <ChrisMorgan> don't worry about that
06:53:30 <ChrisMorgan> "color" is the colour changing command.
06:53:37 <upnPAD> Where would I put that :?
06:53:52 <upnPAD> Yeah, I saw that, but how would I do it in the .bat?
06:54:18 <upnPAD> So that, every time I laucnhed IRSSI, it would use the same settings?
06:54:26 <upnPAD> *launched
06:55:04 <ChrisMorgan> Have a line in the bat file which contains "color 0a" or whatever
06:55:19 <upnPAD> oh ok :S, didn't know itd be as simple as that, thanks :)
06:56:08 <ChrisMorgan> Here is the contents of my Command Prompt Portable commandprompt.bat file: http://mibbit.com/pb/cFhUKJ
06:56:35 <ChrisMorgan> title %username%:, e.g., currently sets my window title to "MarkM:" (that's the username on this machine)
06:56:54 <ChrisMorgan> And doskey macros are about the most wonderful thing with command prompt :-)
06:57:17 <upnPAD> ah cool
06:58:10 <ChrisMorgan> The doskey maros file can have lines like "vi=%PADIR%\gVimPortable\gVimPortable.exe $*" which, when you type "vi foo.bar" will run gVimPortable.exe foo.bar
06:58:12 <ChrisMorgan> It's really cool.
06:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> Very economical
06:58:26 <ChrisMorgan> e.g. ff=%PADIR%\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe $*
06:58:36 <ChrisMorgan> then to start firefox portable I just type "ff"
06:59:18 <ChrisMorgan> oh yeah JohnTHaller, I cleared up http://portableapps.com/development/test/status
06:59:39 <rmccue> OMG JohnTHaller is here.
06:59:48 <ChrisMorgan> Now to put in a table of rt members
06:59:55 <ChrisMorgan> rmccue: please don't say it like that :-(
07:00:11 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: Why?
07:00:28 <ChrisMorgan> It stands for..?
07:00:46 <rmccue> Oh, you mean OMG? Oh my gosh.
07:01:28 <ChrisMorgan> Not usually. The third word is usually "God" when people say it... methinks you're covering up or something
07:02:01 <rmccue> I don't say that.
07:02:24 <JohnTHaller> what's u rm
07:02:25 <rmccue> I either actually say "oh-em-gee" or "oh my gosh"
07:02:41 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: Me's human. :P
07:02:51 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: OMG is an acceptable abbreviation 99.9% of places online
07:03:18 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
07:03:46 <JohnTHaller> stuff like WTF is also acceptable here. all though the actual F word is not.
07:04:09 <JohnTHaller> (for the younger ones, wtf can be interpreted as 'what the freak')
07:04:16 <ChrisMorgan> Well it definitely wouldn't be allowable in #bpbible :P
07:04:19 <rmccue> WTF is awesome, I use it all the time: http://new.myfonts.com/whatthefont/
07:04:23 <JohnTHaller> this isn't bpbible
07:04:29 <ChrisMorgan> No, it isn't... :P
07:04:37 <JohnTHaller> OMGWTFBBQ!
07:04:42 <JohnTHaller> i have that on a shirt
07:04:49 <ChrisMorgan> :/
07:05:04 <JohnTHaller> I like the cooking apron that has it, personally
07:05:07 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: WordPress specifies security bugs with the priority "highest omgwtfbbq"
07:05:14 <JohnTHaller> hah
07:05:26 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... what should OliverK's abbreviation be?
07:05:45 <JohnTHaller> rmccue: Here is the latest test for you: http://portableapps.com/temp/Platform_1.2_TEST6.7z
07:05:45 <rmccue> OliverK?
07:05:52 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: Thanks.
07:06:00 <JohnTHaller> that's going to attendees of cebit this week courtesy of openoffice.org
07:06:08 <JohnTHaller> not all attendees... the ones who stop by
07:06:14 <rmccue> Awesome!
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07:08:23 <ChrisMorgan> rmccue: OlK?
07:08:36 <rmccue> Eh?
07:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK
07:09:06 <ChrisMorgan> No, not Eh. Doesn't suit him :P
07:09:36 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: IMHO, after releasing after dragging the menu, it should snap to the area, since that's all it saves.
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07:11:07 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I cleaned it up a bit: http://portableapps.com/development/test/status
07:11:09 <ChrisMorgan|away> "yum"
07:11:27 <ChrisMorgan|away> yeah, just lookin at that, add the table of users bit later, couldn't submit it because of your changes
07:11:30 <ChrisMorgan|away> bbl
07:11:35 <JohnTHaller> rmccue: I don't know. some people may want it in a specific spot for then
07:13:19 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: Yeah, but it will reset on the next view. Better not to "lie" to them, IMHO.
07:13:52 <JohnTHaller> rmccue: it's not a lie, they can position exactly for that run if they want. but we don't save the exact position as it wouldn't work when they switch resolutions
07:14:23 <JohnTHaller> having it snap to one of the 9 positions every time you move it would annoy the crap outta some people
07:15:08 <rmccue> Yeah, I suppose.
07:15:15 <rmccue> Might be nice to note it though.
07:15:57 <JohnTHaller> considering no one has asked about it at all yet... except you right now... i think we're good :-P
07:16:19 <rmccue> No one realised it happened until I mentioned it the other day. :P
07:16:35 <JohnTHaller> hundreds of thousands of people are using it without ANY mention
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07:17:24 <rmccue> I didn't realise you could drag it until someone mentioned, until then I was editing the INI.
07:17:44 <JohnTHaller> well, there
07:18:03 <JohnTHaller> there's no need to mention it in the app. but we could add a line about positioning it to the support page
07:18:13 <rmccue> Sounds OK to me.
07:18:43 <JohnTHaller> there are a few more that need adding,. too
07:18:51 <JohnTHaller> did you test any of the 1.2 tests yet?
07:20:28 <rmccue> That isn't a 1.2 test?
07:20:41 <rmccue> Or you mean the apps themselves?
07:21:03 <JohnTHaller> i mean had you tried one of thr 1-5 tests of it. do you know what's new in it compared to 1.1?
07:21:42 <Scriptdaemon> Is the new status page meant to replace the old test page?
07:21:44 <rmccue> Supports the [AppsHidden] and [AppsRemoved] or whatever they were.
07:22:03 <JohnTHaller> Scriptdaemon: no, it;s for the dev team to track progress
07:22:46 <JohnTHaller> rmccue: yeah, new theme, new locales, lang env strings for app lang switching, PNG personal pic, rename/hide/menu fade/menu alpha in INI
07:23:04 <JohnTHaller> it's 1.5 with some of the untested untranslated stuff stripped so i could do the release in time for cebit
07:23:12 <Scriptdaemon> So one will just remain a general page of all apps being worked on, and the other will basically be a detailed version of that? Or is it not meant for the public to view?
07:23:44 <JohnTHaller> Scriptdaemon: the status page is intended for the dev test team to marshall apps through the testing process. the other page is a list of all apps.
07:23:53 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: Ah, didn't see some of those.
07:24:10 <Scriptdaemon> Ah. So only apps that are close to release will be on the status page?
07:24:36 <JohnTHaller> only apps the release teams has tested and reported on. it is for the release team and only them. others can look if they want.
07:24:45 <Scriptdaemon> K, gotcha.
07:29:15 <JohnTHaller> also uses a square menu bg on win9x since it can't do transparency. just for kicks
07:31:12 <JohnTHaller> so give it a try. specially the lang switching of apps like GIMP, Pidgin, etc. Backup/Restore are localized and auto-swicth now, too (just German, Portuguese and English, though). it's going out as a full german suite at cebit. and i'm releasing it to our users tomorrow. just need to do the installer... too tired now.
07:36:35 <ChrisMorgan|away> ok, updated http://portableapps.com/development/test/status
07:36:38 <ChrisMorgan|away> g2g now
07:37:00 <ChrisMorgan|away> put in link to PAF and rt members table (including you, JohnTHaller, even if you aren't one :P)
07:37:06 <rmccue> Catch you later ChrisMorgan|away.
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07:37:58 <JohnTHaller> alright, i need sleep. been hectic weekend
07:40:01 <rmccue> Catch you later JohnTHaller.
07:42:42 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
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08:45:04 <rmccue> excid3: Nice blog.
08:45:39 <excid3> thanks rmccue
08:46:41 <rmccue> excid3: Oh, and I hadn't noticed it before (only seen old design), but nice work on http://keryx.betaserver.org/, it looks awesome.
08:47:28 <excid3> thank ya, wish i could say i made that theme, just edited the text on it, its a really good theme
08:47:41 <rmccue> Yeah, I noticed.
08:50:04 <rmccue> excid3: What font is that used for the page header?
08:50:16 <excid3> for keryx?
08:50:29 <rmccue> Yeah, page_header.png
08:50:47 <excid3> i believe its Sansation
08:58:40 <rmccue> Haha, http://skittles.com/
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09:04:33 <excid> stupid jdownloader...
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09:30:07 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
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11:46:22 <TaffinFoxcroft> hi.
11:46:52 <dbdii407> hi.
11:48:15 <TaffinFoxcroft> anything happening?
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12:25:15 <ZachThibeau> morning everyone
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13:20:03 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
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13:28:15 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is wondering why he hangs out here. I mean... He doesn't develop or anything...
13:28:36 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello Everyone!
13:28:47 <MaienM> hello Oni-Neoxes
13:29:12 * Oni-Neoxes is listening to ScatMan :D
13:31:42 <Oni-Neoxes> also today is Dr. Suess's Birthday >_>
13:32:01 * MaienM is coding a bit (as usual)
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13:44:48 <Oni-Neoxes> ಠ_ಠ
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14:08:31 <ZachThibeau> howdy onestoploser
14:08:45 <onestoploser> Hat thar ZachThibeau
14:08:49 <onestoploser> Good morning
14:08:53 <onestoploser> *Hay
14:09:18 * ZachThibeau is watching Star Trek DS9 :)
14:10:19 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
14:12:11 * ZachThibeau is a hige trekie :)
14:12:17 <ZachThibeau> **huge
14:12:20 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
14:12:27 <ZachThibeau> kahplah :P
14:12:42 <ZachThibeau> meaning success in klingon :P
14:15:15 <ZachThibeau> thats how much of a trekie I am XD
14:17:59 <onestoploser> lmao
14:18:14 <onestoploser> I like Star Trek, but not that much. XD
14:25:02 <onestoploser> Can anyone recommend a good Linux photo printing program? All the ones I've tried suck horribly.
14:25:56 <onestoploser> I can't seem to print borderless photos, and the print interface is really bad.
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15:40:39 <onestoploser> Wow..
15:40:49 <onestoploser> Extremely dead in here
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15:46:22 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
15:46:29 <JohnTHaller> hola
15:46:38 <SilentWalker> hey john...how it going?
15:46:54 <JohnTHaller> it's goin
15:47:06 <SilentWalker> haha:P
15:49:24 <SilentWalker> JohnTHaller: just a question bout the new menu (bcuz im not really aquainted with how an app becomes official)........the 1.2 (and the 1.5 thats comin out next week)...theyre in alpha? which means theyre not tested?
15:49:35 <SilentWalker> then theyll move in to beta?
15:49:44 <SilentWalker> for public testing?
15:49:46 <JohnTHaller> 1.2 is a release candidate. it's basically ready
15:49:54 <SilentWalker> oh.....really?
15:50:02 <SilentWalker> and what about the 1.5?
15:50:10 <SilentWalker> will that b official?
15:50:12 <JohnTHaller> 1.5 isn't even posted yet. why don't you wait and see
15:50:25 <SilentWalker> ok then
15:50:38 <SilentWalker> well thanks...
15:50:57 <onestoploser> Hmmm...
15:51:15 <onestoploser> I must have missed it on the forums. What's the link for 1.2?
15:51:29 <JohnTHaller> there isn't one. it's been in testing in IRC only
15:51:54 <onestoploser> I see.
15:52:33 <onestoploser> Can I have the link to IRC test? lol
15:52:44 <SilentWalker> http://portableapps.com/temp/Platform_1.2_TEST1.7z
15:52:47 <JohnTHaller> it'll be posted within the next couple hours to the forums
15:52:50 <JohnTHaller> that's the OLD one
15:52:56 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/Platform_1.2_TEST6.7z
15:52:58 <JohnTHaller> that's the last one
15:52:59 <SilentWalker> oh....sorry...my bad
15:53:06 <onestoploser> Thx
15:53:17 <SilentWalker> wow......waaaaaay old...sry again
15:54:42 <onestoploser> Very nice. I like the new default skin better than the last one.
15:55:02 <SilentWalker> i agree
15:56:00 <JohnTHaller> we spent a long time working on it last year
15:56:12 <JohnTHaller> i'm gonna release the classic skin in the new theme format, too
15:57:13 <onestoploser> Cool. There are no new buttons that I can see either. I'm assuming the old themes will work also?
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15:57:33 <JohnTHaller> Nope. 1.2 doesn't support old themes
15:57:35 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
15:58:12 <onestoploser> Ahhh. That's ok. I like the default.
15:58:15 <onestoploser> :)
15:58:28 <JohnTHaller> i'm gonna build in the ability to load old themes, though
15:58:43 <onestoploser> Cool
15:58:49 <JohnTHaller> prob be in 1.5 which comes out next week. 1.2 only came out because of openoffice.org distributing it at cebit this week
15:59:36 <onestoploser> Right. I heard about that. That will be some excellent advertising for PA.com IMO
15:59:46 <SilentWalker> u mean they actually distributed the OOo portable
16:00:03 <SilentWalker> onestoploser: definitely
16:00:59 <JohnTHaller> openoffice.org has been highlighting oo.o portable for a while now. we've been on the openoffice.org homepage before. we work pretty closely with them now. like with mozilla.
16:01:16 <JohnTHaller> it helps that we're the only portable version of openoffice.org that isn't violating copyright law/gpl :-)
16:01:23 <SilentWalker> cool
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16:13:15 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
16:13:52 <dbdii407> How is gluxon here? O_o
16:14:05 <SilentWalker> hey gluxon...can I PM u?...im the dude who needs help with the objectdock portable launcher:D
16:14:12 <gluxon> Sure.
16:14:22 <gluxon> ... Wait, you're mghany?
16:14:25 <gluxon> :P
16:14:32 <dbdii407> ?
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16:14:37 <SilentWalker> yup:D
16:14:40 <gluxon> :P
16:14:44 <gluxon> Okay,
16:15:19 <dbdii407> Weird...
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16:18:01 <pabot> markomlm is the developer of the PortableApps.com Updater; OpenOffice.org Portable and the head of the German translation team
16:18:37 <markomlm> hello @all
16:19:02 <SilentWalker> hi marko:D
16:19:04 <markomlm> THX for the good job ;-) JohnTHaller
16:19:16 <markomlm> hi SilentWalker
16:20:26 <JohnTHaller> hi markomlm
16:20:28 <JohnTHaller> you're welcome :-)
16:20:47 <JohnTHaller> i'm actually working on the 1.2 installer since it needs to handle a 1.1 to 1.2 upgrade with the new directories
16:20:50 * dbdii407 will brb. Going to choke school tech department
16:20:55 <dbdii407> bbl*
16:22:29 <markomlm> JohnTHaller: OK. Should the updater offer an option to save the data folder as archive file?
16:24:24 <JohnTHaller> nope
16:24:25 <JohnTHaller> no need
16:24:29 <markomlm> ok
16:24:37 <JohnTHaller> you're not bundling the updater for the cebit distro are you?
16:24:58 <markomlm> nope! no beta stuff
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16:25:05 <JohnTHaller> ok, just checkin :-)
16:25:55 <markomlm> ;-) The suite is exactly the one I've got from You. (with You last update)
16:26:54 <LOGAN> no beta stuff..
16:28:14 <markomlm> LOGAN:???
16:29:12 <LOGAN> they cn get that on the forums
16:29:23 <JohnTHaller> LOGAN: it's not included.
16:33:25 <markomlm> LOGAN:it is a great difference between downloading beta stuff an use it and find it in a bundle. The updater is stable, but it is'nt released yet.
16:36:11 <LOGAN> i never claimed otherwise
16:37:14 <LOGAN> but do i understand correct that cebit people get something different than is available on site?
16:38:00 <JohnTHaller> not quite
16:38:12 <JohnTHaller> 1.2 is being released in the forums today and at cebit tomorrow
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16:43:25 <LOGAN> thats good news JohnTHaller
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16:51:27 <markomlm> LOGAN: :-)
16:51:42 <LOGAN> markomlm: woo
16:52:18 <markomlm> To say it with Arnie... I'll be back :B
16:52:48 <LOGAN> he said 'SHE'll be backk'
16:56:21 <Mir> you mean the governator?
16:56:46 <onestoploser> Hasta la vista, baby!
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16:57:16 <Mir> hasta la vista your schools budget :D
16:57:39 <onestoploser> XD
16:57:53 <Mir> whe i was in school our computers where 20 years out of date
16:58:04 <Mir> and internet? whats that?
16:58:18 <Mir> there wasnt a single school hooked up
16:58:20 <Mir> >:|
16:58:32 <Mir> except for RICH schools
16:58:33 <Bensawsome> lol
16:58:34 <SergentSiler> XD
16:58:55 * Bensawsome has a rich school ^_^
16:59:02 * SergentSiler too (^_^)
16:59:10 <SergentSiler> interwebz ftw
16:59:16 <Mir> and even if we had the internet how the hell would we hook a Apple ][e to the web?
16:59:31 <SergentSiler> XDD
16:59:35 <Mir> each class had about 10 apple 2es
16:59:37 <Bensawsome> XD
16:59:43 <Bensawsome> NICE
16:59:43 <SergentSiler> ROFLMFAO
16:59:52 <Bensawsome> I WANT EM
17:00:02 <Mir> too late
17:00:10 <Mir> they where destroyed
17:00:11 * SergentSiler has PowerPC Preforma 6200 CD FTW
17:00:11 <Mir> D:
17:00:27 * Mir had a PowerPC 6500
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17:00:34 <pabot> OliverK is liking his days off
17:00:40 <Mir> u lie
17:00:47 <Mir> you are hating your day off
17:00:51 <Mir> :D
17:00:56 * SergentSiler has a snowday :D
17:00:58 * onestoploser hates OliverK's days off.
17:01:01 <onestoploser> XD
17:01:10 <SergentSiler> Snowday FTW
17:01:24 <Mir> sadly the school i went to is now closed
17:01:27 <Mir> :|
17:01:32 <onestoploser> D:
17:01:37 * SergentSiler turns off badger song after about 40 mins of looping
17:01:38 <Mir> stupid governator
17:02:12 <OliverK> Mir: onestoploser you wish YOU had the day off :D
17:02:13 <Mir> i see things i see them with my eyes i see things they're often in disguise
17:02:22 <Mir> like....
17:02:32 * onestoploser agrees with OliverK
17:02:33 <onestoploser> lol
17:02:42 <Mir> i do have a day off
17:02:44 <Mir> :D
17:02:57 <SergentSiler> FTW
17:03:06 <LOGAN> oooh good action, destroy computers while theres a crisis
17:03:07 <OliverK> nice :D
17:03:28 * Mir is listening to Love To Hate by Slayer on Diabolus In Musica [Amarok]
17:03:38 * Mir starts yelling at things
17:03:52 <onestoploser> Slayer FTW
17:03:57 <SergentSiler> lo
17:03:59 <SergentSiler> lol*
17:04:03 <onestoploser> I haven't listened to them since I was a kid.
17:04:13 <Mir> all inn FLACy goodness
17:04:14 * SergentSiler pokes Bensawsome's unmoving body
17:04:20 <Mir> @__@
17:04:24 <SergentSiler> he dead D:
17:04:30 <Mir> their whole discography
17:04:44 <Mir> in flac
17:04:47 <Mir> @__@
17:04:49 <SergentSiler> nice
17:04:49 <onestoploser> Nice. I love flac.
17:04:59 <onestoploser> Lossless = winrar
17:05:12 <Mir> now to figure out how to play it at work
17:05:14 <SergentSiler> i have to many mp3 files to convert all to flac :/
17:05:36 <onestoploser> Converting mp3 to flac defeats the purpose.
17:05:44 <SergentSiler> i know
17:05:47 <onestoploser> brb
17:05:48 <JohnTHaller> heh
17:05:58 <Mir> all i have is VLC before playlists where added, WMP10 and irfranview
17:06:01 <Mir> D:
17:06:07 <SergentSiler> i meant that i have such a large amount of mp3 files that it would be useless to start a flac collection
17:06:11 <onestoploser> WMP can play flac
17:06:25 <onestoploser> Just needs a plugin
17:06:42 <onestoploser> brb
17:06:48 <Mir> we cant install codecs
17:06:56 <Mir> its a codec not a plugin
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17:10:04 <JohnTHaller> ok... platform testers anybody?
17:10:30 <ZachThibeau> I'm in
17:10:32 <JohnTHaller> Anybody wanna test Platform 1.2 RC1 installer before I release it?
17:10:39 <matborden> im in
17:10:41 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.2_RC1_TEST1.exe
17:10:50 <JohnTHaller> If you're using a MOD menu, the installer may kill it
17:11:03 <onestoploser> I'm all over it.
17:11:12 * SrgSiler|AFK clicks before i go
17:11:49 <JohnTHaller> Oh yeah, and it's multilingual now
17:11:56 <ZachThibeau> awesome
17:11:59 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: heck yeah!
17:12:02 <onestoploser> I saw that.
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17:12:36 <LOGAN> microsoft helps apple to make OSX safer.... ermm....
17:12:41 <JohnTHaller> the installer i mean. and it'll set the menu's lang on install based on what you pick. and, of course, the platform now sets the app's language. so it goes all the way down based on your single selection when you install the platform
17:12:54 <OliverK> did I miss the forum posting? :(
17:13:02 <onestoploser> No forum post yet
17:13:11 <JohnTHaller> this is pre forum post
17:13:21 <JohnTHaller> just to make sure i didn't screw anything up before posting it
17:13:37 <onestoploser> It works correctly as far as I can tell.
17:13:40 <ZachThibeau> everything seems to be in running order
17:13:43 <ZachThibeau> :)
17:13:49 <matborden> the PA backup and restore show in the menu for me
17:13:54 <LOGAN> today was first day of cebit
17:13:54 * onestoploser too
17:14:03 <JohnTHaller> matborden: where did you install it to?
17:14:23 <matborden> my usb mp3 player
17:14:23 * OliverK wonders why it extracts all the extra locales :(
17:14:39 <ZachThibeau> matborden: not what he meant
17:14:50 <ZachThibeau> I think
17:14:57 <onestoploser> I installed it over my previous installation, and it still shows up in the menu.
17:15:05 <onestoploser> It didn't before.
17:15:07 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: Oh horror, 34 WHOLE KB
17:15:28 <onestoploser> lmao
17:15:40 <OliverK> heh :D Hey, I wrote a script deleting the extra stuff. 34 kb in a 100 folders add ups
17:16:04 <onestoploser> ZachThibeau: Did you see that link?
17:16:08 <JohnTHaller> matborden: did you use the old test version or are you upgrading a 1.1 install?
17:16:13 <ZachThibeau> onestoploser: yes I did
17:16:26 <onestoploser> lol
17:16:30 <OliverK> it overwrote my INI file
17:16:45 <matborden> i see why , the old PA backup utilitys are still there, and you moved them ingo the same as the pa menu
17:17:01 <matborden> the old backup is showing
17:17:20 <JohnTHaller> matborden: It will automatically remove the old menu and backup utilities and convert their INIs over UNLESS you already have a X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com directory
17:17:34 <JohnTHaller> so if you used any of the other test versions, it'll leave em
17:17:43 <matborden> ok
17:17:51 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: it doesn't overwrite the existing iNI
17:17:55 <JohnTHaller> it moves it
17:18:26 <OliverK> to where?
17:18:39 <OliverK> oops, my autorun.inf
17:18:41 <JohnTHaller> matborden: it does that in case someone is testing unofficial mods. though there is no upgrade path from a mod back to official
17:18:53 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: yes, it currently does that. will until 1.5
17:19:12 <OliverK> it also deleted all my old themes. Thankfully I did a backup
17:19:24 <OliverK> i do like the new icons though
17:19:28 <JohnTHaller> where were the themes?
17:19:41 <OliverK> PortableApssMenu
17:19:49 <OliverK> ugh, typitis setting in again
17:19:50 <JohnTHaller> they shouldn't have been in the PortableAppsMenu directory since there is no place for them there
17:20:26 <OliverK> I rename the folder for the theme I currently want, then start the menu
17:20:54 <JohnTHaller> remember, there is only a path for official upgrades of expected stuff. nothing should be manually put into the portableappsmenu, portableappsbackup, portableapps.com directories
17:21:29 * OliverK didn't want to move them back and forth from folder a to folder be
17:21:31 <OliverK> b*
17:21:48 <OliverK> I was younger then and couldn't code. What I did was the simplest solution.
17:21:59 <OliverK> These are the things that I'm seeing
17:22:02 <JohnTHaller> there will be a theme loader next week (english only though)
17:22:12 <JohnTHaller> will partially support older BMP themes
17:22:19 <OliverK> diesn't matter if they get deleted
17:23:58 <OliverK> i have a backup, I made it last night. But the point is not what I have, but what I should have. It SHOULDN'T delete anything that it doesn't need to. Themes, etc
17:26:14 <JohnTHaller> No one should be manually adding things to an application's directory without direction. It has not been and never will be supported.
17:26:34 <JohnTHaller> In the platform or in any of our apps.
17:27:10 <JohnTHaller> The PA Installer is actually written like that. Most apps, by default, will remove the entire App and Other directories on each upgrade unless the dev has set it preserve stuff (like plugins)
17:27:16 <OliverK> Arguing won't get me anywhere, will it?
17:27:29 <OliverK> must stuff doesn't store data in the app directory
17:28:01 <JohnTHaller> The PA Platform doesn't either. The theming was unofficial. And it was stated that each upgrade would wipe out what you had when I announced it.
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17:29:00 <OliverK> i remebered it did that when I upgraded the last time. I wondered about it dioing that this time. BUt last time, it only wiped one theme out, not all mof my themes
17:29:35 <JohnTHaller> you can't expect to be adding your own stuff to a directory called AppNamePortable\App\DefaultData and have it preserved.
17:30:27 <OliverK> no. This is true. So, the themese should have been held in data since the beta 1.4
17:30:52 <OliverK> I have reread the support page, and you're right, themeing is not officially supported.
17:31:01 <JohnTHaller> No. Theming was never official. Never done. Never real. It was a built-in theme. That you could unofficial hack to change if you wanted to. Themes when real will be contained in the Data directory
17:31:37 <OliverK> again, arguing won't get me anywhere, will it?
17:32:07 <OliverK> I should expect that a folder named defualtdata2 would be presevered, though.
17:32:11 <JohnTHaller> Nope. I'll never support adding unofficial stuff or adding overly complex code to take into account every users possible additions.
17:32:17 <JohnTHaller> Nope
17:32:27 <JohnTHaller> Nothing in App is ever preserved in anything unless specifically stated
17:32:58 * OliverK makes sure that any of his GTK themes are preserved. Which I only have one. BUt I really really like it
17:33:04 <OliverK> and anybody elses.
17:33:15 <OliverK> I can understand the coding challenge.
17:33:21 <JohnTHaller> It would be insane
17:33:31 <JohnTHaller> We'd need Delete statements for every single file,.
17:33:37 <JohnTHaller> And to WinMerge every release to see what changed
17:33:40 <JohnTHaller> For every single app
17:33:42 <JohnTHaller> No way
17:34:42 <Gizmokid2005> not to interrupt - but for anyone looking for a good, cheap, USB "stick"/backup device: http://www.buy.com/prod/western-digital-elements-400gb-usb-2-0-portable-hard-drive-black/q/loc/101/210411579.html?adid=17070&dcaid=17070
17:37:31 <OliverK> Gizmokid2005: staples has a 640 for 79.99
17:38:02 <Gizmokid2005> OliverK: lol, shipping?
17:38:10 <OliverK> Gizmokid2005: walk in to the store :D
17:38:35 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: you'll put big lettering about what it does, right?
17:38:59 <Gizmokid2005> OliverK: touche...
17:39:18 <Gizmokid2005> http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p16_Western-Digital-640GB-Elements-External-Hard-Drive_271236_Business_Supplies_10051_true_SEARCH
17:39:25 <Gizmokid2005> it's DELIVERY ONLY according to that page...
17:39:36 <Gizmokid2005> you have to order to the store
17:39:38 <Gizmokid2005> it looks like
17:39:59 <OliverK> item qualifies for free shipping, wonders what that means
17:40:32 <Gizmokid2005> OliverK: it says to a store near you...but then it says it's free...who knows...I might have to go to staples and guy one lol
17:40:35 <Gizmokid2005> it's not a bad deal, really
17:40:42 <OliverK> it sure it tempting. I wanna get on to back up some stuff on my laptop before genius takes four hours to replace the mother board
17:40:50 <OliverK> yeah, I 've been watching.
17:40:56 <Gizmokid2005> but i don't need another ext drive...what I need is an HDD cradle and another 1TB drive...
17:41:24 <OliverK> heh. I don't wanna break 32 GB vitrual hard drive into 3.5 GB pices :(
17:41:55 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
17:42:19 <OliverK> plus some toher ISO's and stuff
17:43:07 <OliverK> call the store and see if they'll sell you one for the listed price. They one I'm near is really good about price matching
17:45:35 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...but I don't need the portability really, I just need more actual space...though that is UBER tempting
17:46:03 <onestoploser> That's my issue. Not enough space.
17:46:37 <onestoploser> I finally got my new external working in Ubuntu though, so I now have another 600 GB to work with.
17:47:00 <Gizmokid2005> onestoploser: awesome
17:47:23 <onestoploser> :D
17:47:27 <Gizmokid2005> well, mine isn't really space so much as I want to start ripping my parent's DVD collection too...and with over 1000 DVDs @ ~700MB each...it adds up
17:47:55 <onestoploser> last.fm fails hard today...
17:48:43 <OliverK> Gizmokid2005: NAS!
17:48:59 <Gizmokid2005> OliverK: too expensive
17:49:04 <Gizmokid2005> I just need the drives
17:49:24 <OliverK> get FreeNAS and the old cimputer laying in the back :D
17:49:35 <OliverK> FreeNAS, open source goodness
17:49:51 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but I don't have any old computers laying around that have sata drives...plus that's what I have my server for
17:50:33 <OliverK> dang :(
17:50:52 <Gizmokid2005> but my server has a 750GB drive that's shared right now
17:51:02 <Gizmokid2005> and my desktop has a 1TB that I mainly use for ISOs and backup images
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17:51:31 <OliverK> wow. You has space.
17:52:16 <LOGAN> wow you has lots of 'iso's
17:52:30 * LOGAN raises an eyebrow
17:52:49 <Gizmokid2005> OliverK: space??? pss...I have a 250GB as a primary, 320GB as a secondary, 1TB as a backup (all in my desktop), I have a 160GB main, and 750GB secondary in my server, then Ih ave a 160GB ext for my macs time machine, then a 400GB just laying around not to be used yet...
17:53:05 <Gizmokid2005> PLUS, I just found a 200GB that I didn't know i had
17:53:12 <ZachThibeau> O_o
17:53:14 <LOGAN> sigh
17:53:31 <LOGAN> theres some good open source for backing up your dvds
17:53:35 * OliverK has a 320 GB hard drive for main, 160 that I store stuff, plus boot windows, and my laptops 250 gb hardrive
17:53:43 <Gizmokid2005> LOGAN: I just use handbrake for mac
17:53:46 <OliverK> the 160 is almost full
17:54:04 <OliverK> my 8gb flashdrive has about 2gb left :D
17:54:27 <ZachThibeau> LOGAN: mencoder ;) a very simple command line utitlity by the people that work on mplayer :D which is also available for windows
17:54:40 <ZachThibeau> I use mencoder to backup all my dvds :)
17:54:47 <LOGAN> handbrake rules
17:54:58 <Gizmokid2005> LOGAN: yup it does...if only it worked on PC too
17:55:08 <LOGAN> i use it on pc tbh
17:55:09 <Gizmokid2005> I mean, it works, but it doesn't rip any dvd like it does ont he mac
17:55:12 <Gizmokid2005> *on the
17:55:23 <LOGAN> if you have vlc it does
17:55:25 <LOGAN> sigh
17:55:52 <LOGAN> usually i do it in a seerate process
17:55:58 <LOGAN> seperate
17:56:11 <onestoploser> .g handbrake
17:56:13 <pabot> onestoploser: http://handbrake.fr/
17:57:09 <onestoploser> Cool
17:57:27 <onestoploser> There are precompiled .debs for Ubuntu.
17:57:29 <onestoploser> :D
17:57:48 <LOGAN> im still experimenting with settings
17:58:27 <LOGAN> i set width 640 and size 700MB then xvid and get nice quality avis of 722/723MB
17:59:00 <onestoploser> It looks pretty good to me. I use AVIDemux most of the time, but I'll definitely check this out.
17:59:04 <Gizmokid2005> LOGAN: I just use the default settings as .m4v files, set the target size as 700MB and It works just about EVERY time
17:59:10 <Gizmokid2005> I suppose I'll have to isntall VLC...
17:59:11 <LOGAN> but MVK with x264 rules
17:59:25 * onestoploser doesn't use mkv
17:59:42 <Gizmokid2005> it uses h.264 encoding too :)
17:59:54 <onestoploser> They won't play on my Xbox 360. ;)
17:59:55 <LOGAN> i dont use m4v ... mvk with x264 has like 20% better compression or quality
17:59:59 <onestoploser> MP4 FTW
18:00:11 <Gizmokid2005> onestoploser: lol
18:00:26 <Gizmokid2005> sorry
18:00:30 <Gizmokid2005> most of mine are mpeg4
18:00:31 <Gizmokid2005> :D
18:00:34 <JohnTHaller> Ok.... here we go...
18:00:38 <Gizmokid2005> and they play on my XBMC fine :)
18:00:46 * LOGAN does a drummroll
18:01:28 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: PortableApps.com Platform 1.2 RC1: http://portableapps.com/node/18315
18:01:40 * onestoploser high fives JohnTHaller
18:02:43 <ZachThibeau> yay :)
18:03:26 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: what version of Delphi did you use?
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18:05:18 <JohnTHaller> 2006
18:05:21 <JohnTHaller> same as before
18:05:25 <JohnTHaller> no other version is supported
18:06:14 <ZachThibeau> ok
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18:06:30 <ZachThibeau> so turbo delphi should still work in compiling it then right?
18:06:41 <JohnTHaller> nope
18:06:43 <JohnTHaller> never has\
18:06:45 <JohnTHaller> not since 1.1
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18:07:13 <ZachThibeau> ahh ok
18:08:08 <ZachThibeau> well then... I guess I'll have to wait until I get enough money to purchase a license of 2006 then
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18:08:58 <JohnTHaller> if we supported turbo, we couldn't use pngs
18:09:14 <ZachThibeau> true
18:09:41 * OliverK votes C++ :D
18:10:47 <ZachThibeau> believe it or not I felt the urge to code a PortableApps.com Platform look alike for myself to keep myself coding :)
18:11:02 * OliverK believes
18:12:17 * Mir points ZachThibeau to yarr bay
18:12:22 <ZachThibeau> of course I believe if I remember ryan wanted it in python though XD
18:12:23 <LOGAN> i dont have money for Delphi... i have like 4 old versions :(
18:12:25 <Mir> ~_0
18:13:58 <LOGAN> wasnt there an wexternal lib for turbo as well supporting pngs?
18:14:16 <OliverK> LOGAN: wasn't open source, at least fully
18:14:33 <LOGAN> you know what would be the ultumate best thing? assembly :D
18:14:37 <OliverK> which does raise and interesting question, John, how did you pull it off?
18:14:43 <OliverK> LOGAN: heck yeah :D
18:14:53 <Mir> Magick
18:14:57 <Mir> :)
18:14:57 <LOGAN> then maybe the menu would be 10KB lol
18:15:12 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> JohnTHaller: did you notice Pidgin 2.5.5 was released (half officially?)
18:15:31 <LOGAN> half?
18:15:36 <LOGAN> sigh
18:15:46 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> LOGAN: look on pidgin.im, it says 2.5.4
18:15:54 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> but in the pidgin downloads on SF it shows 2.5.5
18:16:15 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=235&package_id=230234
18:16:34 <LOGAN> who is maintainer of DVD styler? Gizmokid2005|AFK well yeh maybe its coming. btw anyone know a good windows shell?
18:16:53 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> LOGAN: I think ZachThibeau is, and yeah...and no
18:16:58 <ZachThibeau> LOGAN: I am and I'm putting out a fix I've been putting off
18:17:35 <ZachThibeau> is there anything specific you want to know?
18:17:42 <LOGAN> I tested litestep and sharpe. no actual window skinning though. (And no support for vista size, although can set 256px icons
18:18:07 <LOGAN> ZachThibeau: ah ok. I noticed the new one has some more support for some thingies
18:18:16 <LOGAN> and an updated ffmpeg lib
18:18:23 <ZachThibeau> I noticed that too
18:18:55 <ZachThibeau> and a new icon thanks to Zach_Hudock
18:19:09 <JohnTHaller> i wait for pidgin.im
18:19:14 <LOGAN> that version introduced a new icon itself
18:19:40 <LOGAN> or did zach do that one
18:20:10 <JohnTHaller> ok, gotta walk my girlfriend to the train and eat. please test the new platform 1.2 and post feedback!
18:20:12 <ZachThibeau> LOGAN: ZachThibeau> and a new icon thanks to Zach_Hudock
18:20:20 <ZachThibeau> ;)
18:21:43 <LOGAN> i thought he was referring to portable version
18:21:46 <LOGAN> lol
18:21:49 <ZachThibeau> ohh no :P
18:21:56 <ZachThibeau> it's in dvdstyler.de's site :P
18:22:39 <LOGAN> know dvdflick?
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18:23:16 <ZachThibeau> Slow piece of crap that needs .net
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18:27:16 <LOGAN> isee
18:27:34 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SergentSiler
18:28:39 <LOGAN> im gonna reboot and check kubuntu.. maybe later KDE for windows :P
18:28:44 <LOGAN> laters
18:29:03 <onestoploser> later man
18:29:36 * LOGAN puts in his shiney original pressed kubuntu cd
18:29:51 <onestoploser> lol
18:29:58 <onestoploser> Oooohhh.... Shiny.....
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18:36:03 <ZachThibeau> :P
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18:38:50 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> JohnTHaller|away: I figured, I just found it weird...learn something new every day when you are in that IRC room
18:38:53 * Gizmokid2005|AFK goes out now
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18:47:58 <SilentWalker> hey John....i found a minor bug in the RC1
18:48:19 <LOGANonUBUNTU> I started Ubuntu after kubuntu... kubuntu misses apps I use on windows :P
18:48:35 <OliverK> SilentWalker: make a forum posting please
18:48:42 <SilentWalker> ok
18:49:28 <OliverK> its alright, you didn't know
18:49:52 <OliverK> things can get lost in IRC, so its generally to put them on the forum if they are of any importance
18:50:07 <SilentWalker> thanks 4 the hint:)
18:54:57 <leftyfb> it's funny. For a site/channel all about running portable windows applications, this channel has a lot of discussion on ubuntu :)
18:55:15 <onestoploser> lol
18:55:21 <onestoploser> Yeah, it does.
18:56:41 <OliverK> this channel discusses alot. Linux/Windows/Mac/coding
18:57:18 <OliverK> we has fun. The only rule we're really strict about is that if someone needs support, and you can't help, be queit. That, and the channel is G-Rated :D
18:58:07 <LOGANonUBUNTU> a lot discussion of Ubuntu? lol never noticed... but thats what you get when you put tech freaks together
18:58:51 <onestoploser> lol
19:00:12 <OliverK> tech freaks? Whoyou calling freak, freak :p
19:00:22 <MaienM> someone called for me?
19:00:29 <OliverK> heh :D
19:00:36 <MaienM> :P
19:00:38 <OliverK> score one for MaienM
19:00:50 <ZachThibeau> :P
19:00:54 <MaienM> yay, I has a point!!!
19:00:58 <OliverK> oh, and pineapplee :D
19:01:03 <MaienM> canIhaspoint??? :D :P
19:01:09 <SergentSiler> FTW
19:01:15 <OliverK> MaienM: youcanhazpoint
19:01:26 <MaienM> someone should make a lolcat pic from that :P
19:01:29 <OliverK> PineApple: Natures candy
19:01:30 <SergentSiler> icanhascheezburger?
19:01:43 <MaienM> yayz, mecanhazpoint!!!
19:01:53 <OliverK> oh noes, he noze?
19:01:56 <OliverK> !*
19:02:05 <SergentSiler> ai iz hungriee :|
19:02:20 <SergentSiler> feed meh
19:02:35 * SergentSiler NOMs air
19:02:53 * Bensawsome eats SergentSiler's lungs
19:03:02 <SergentSiler> D:
19:03:08 <onestoploser> When you live in teh ghetto, you have sleep for dinner.
19:03:09 <Bensawsome> NOM NOM NOM
19:03:17 <SergentSiler> icanhaslungz?
19:03:21 <Bensawsome> im a ghetto gangsta
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19:03:50 <Bensawsome> hello pa_0804. Can we help you with something?
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19:04:47 <SergentSiler> damn u peer!!! D:
19:04:54 <Bensawsome> wow never seen that message with mibbit
19:04:56 <ZachThibeau> Good Job ghetto gangsta ;)
19:05:02 <Bensawsome> wait that SHOULDNT happen with mibbit
19:05:14 <Bensawsome> it cant....
19:05:14 <SergentSiler> Bensawsome, they have been changing that
19:05:24 <Bensawsome> really? thats stupid :/
19:05:29 <Bensawsome> XD
19:05:37 <SergentSiler> like it only says (Client Quit) on exit now
19:05:40 <SergentSiler> :P
19:05:47 <SergentSiler> instead of the mibbit crap
19:05:49 <Bensawsome> oh thats good
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19:08:45 <Bensawsome> hello aporras. Can we help you with something?
19:09:44 <aporras> I justinstalled erese is there a tutorial I cant use it
19:10:08 <Bensawsome> erese? you mean erase?
19:10:27 <aporras> ye
19:10:31 <aporras> yes
19:11:05 <Bensawsome> hmmm no i dont think there is :/ and i dont use it so maybe there is someone else here who can help
19:11:25 <aporras> ok thanks
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19:22:34 <Bensawsome> hmmm anyone here use frets on fire?
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19:25:42 <Bensawsome> hello DoctorDude. Can we help you with something?
19:25:45 <DoctorDude> Hi is there a portable software so I can download Documents from wikipedia. And maybe Convert in PDF files
19:26:00 <Bensawsome> i dont think so :/
19:26:10 <DoctorDude> That sucks
19:26:17 <Bensawsome> you should be able to just save the wikipedia docs as an html file :/
19:26:26 <Bensawsome> using like ff's save as dialog :/
19:27:11 <DoctorDude> It would be so usefull software otherwise
19:27:35 <Bensawsome> like i said try firefox's save as dialog when ur on the wikiepdia page
19:27:40 <Bensawsome> i do0nt think it can save as pdf
19:27:47 <Bensawsome> but its better then nothing :/
19:28:07 <DoctorDude> But would it save i other format?
19:28:17 <Bensawsome> i do0nt think it can save as pdf
19:28:20 <Bensawsome> like i said i dont thin
19:28:24 <Bensawsome> err
19:28:29 <SilentWalker> DoctorDude: i have a suggestion if you are willing to install an add-on in firefox
19:28:30 <Bensawsome> but its better then nothing :/
19:28:44 <DoctorDude> Which addon?
19:28:53 <SilentWalker> hold on..im finding it
19:29:08 <DoctorDude> What about the price?
19:29:15 <Bensawsome> price.....?
19:29:21 <SilentWalker> its free
19:29:25 <DoctorDude> What does it cost?
19:29:36 <SilentWalker> see this.....i love it...its free.......https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/636
19:29:37 <Bensawsome> umm no addon costs money :/
19:29:37 <DoctorDude> really are you sure?
19:29:44 <Bensawsome> umm no addon costs money :/
19:29:59 <DoctorDude> Alright
19:30:06 <SilentWalker> im am using it for almost half a year....so yes im sure
19:30:06 <Bensawsome> oh wait
19:30:16 <Bensawsome> SilentWalker: doesznt that only download pdfs?
19:30:22 <Bensawsome> does it covert files to pdf?
19:30:44 <SilentWalker> yes.....it converts the entire webpage to PDF if you wish
19:30:47 <Bensawsome> he wants to save html files as a pdf file
19:30:56 <Bensawsome> ah ok cool
19:31:17 <DoctorDude> But I can just the use a PDF Converter
19:31:27 <SilentWalker> its faster this way
19:31:35 <SilentWalker> no external applications needed
19:31:49 <DoctorDude> How do I install the addon?
19:31:52 <SilentWalker> just 1 click and you can save the webpage as a pdf
19:32:10 <SilentWalker> r u using firefox right now?
19:32:19 <Bensawsome> DoctorDude go to the web page in firefox portable and click the install link
19:32:24 <Bensawsome> err
19:32:29 <Bensawsome> the link will say "add to firefox"
19:32:35 <SilentWalker> DoctorDude: r u using firefox right now?
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19:33:08 <DoctorDude> I am use just The Portable Version
19:33:14 <Bensawsome> ya thats fine
19:33:20 <Bensawsome> so go to the linmk SilentWalker just gave ytou
19:33:29 <Bensawsome> and click the "add to firefox" link
19:33:40 <SilentWalker> DoctorDude: good in firefox....click the "Add to Firefox" link on the page i just gave u
19:34:10 <SilentWalker> Bensawsome: agh.....u got to him first!!!!!:P
19:34:34 <Bensawsome> lol
19:34:44 <SilentWalker> Bensawsome: but u fail....look at all those typos....hahaha
19:35:07 <Bensawsome> SilentWalker: go to -ot for a se
19:35:10 <Bensawsome> *sec
19:35:14 <DoctorDude> Yeah like you said better then nothing
19:35:24 <SilentWalker> ok
19:36:09 <SilentWalker> DoctorDude: tell me if thats what u wanted....and if u successfully installed it
19:36:56 <DoctorDude> I am gonna do that later. Little busy now. But thanks for the help
19:37:33 <SilentWalker> DoctorDude: no prob
19:38:30 <DoctorDude> I did believe before that the addons cost. Because it just says download. Nothing about if it cost or if it is free
19:39:06 <Bensawsome> ya firefox addons never cost anythuing :/
19:39:41 <DoctorDude> So all addons are free
19:39:41 <Bensawsome> i actually dont think they are allowed to :/
19:39:48 <Bensawsome> they should be
19:40:29 <SilentWalker> does anyone know if you can delete tracks from you PA.com account? and can add a track without adding a comment to the thread?
19:40:39 <Bensawsome> track?
19:40:46 <Bensawsome> you mean the tracking module?
19:40:51 <SergentSiler> ...
19:40:55 <Bensawsome> no you cant...
19:41:00 <Bensawsome> why would you want to....................
19:41:03 <SilentWalker> yes.....
19:41:04 * SergentSiler pulls out 8track player
19:41:23 <Bensawsome> XD
19:41:42 <SilentWalker> because i hav tracks to a lot of threads that are no longer important or out of date
19:41:59 <OliverK> SilentWalker: there are RSS feeds that you could subscribe to . . .
19:42:30 <SilentWalker> ok
19:42:51 <ZachThibeau> SilentWalker: only moderators can remove comments etc
19:43:37 <OliverK> at least for the forums
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19:46:25 <DoctorDude> I am gonna go now. But thanks for you help
19:47:00 <DoctorDude> I would be lost without your guys
19:47:06 <DoctorDude> you
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19:47:45 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
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19:56:30 <Brando> any new version releases today? :)
19:56:47 <ZachThibeau> check the forums ;)
19:57:01 <ZachThibeau> http://portableapps.com/node/18315
19:57:17 <ZachThibeau> just a test of 1.2 though
19:57:31 <ZachThibeau> 1.5 will be later though
19:57:58 <SergentSiler> i still have yet to see full theming capabilities :/
19:58:09 <gluxon> Is John thinking of password encryption?
19:58:14 <Brando> awww no "remove app" option yet?
19:58:17 <gluxon> For the menu?
19:58:26 <gluxon> All of my friends whine about that :P
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19:58:43 <ZachThibeau> it's called open the damn PortableApps folder and remove the app manually :P
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19:58:47 <pabot> TimClark thinks "We are one but we are many | And from all the lands on earth we come | We share a dream and sing with one voice | I am | You are | We are PAppsian " :D
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19:58:56 <SergentSiler> hello TimClark
19:59:00 <SergentSiler> and Suiseiseki
19:59:01 <ZachThibeau> hello fellow PAppsian TimClark
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19:59:10 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: they can whine all they want, there is no such thing as truly portable whole drive encryption that is software only. period. end of story.
19:59:13 <TimClark> hello SergentSiler and ZachThibeau
19:59:19 <TimClark> The time is now 2:00pm CST, Yes, the 1.2 is out :-D! Have you tested it :/ ? If not why were you complaining for the past 3 months :-(
19:59:29 <TimClark> :P
19:59:32 <ZachThibeau> TimClark: I have :)
19:59:32 <SergentSiler> XD
19:59:36 * SergentSiler has
19:59:40 <ZachThibeau> infact we are talking about it :D
19:59:52 <JohnTHaller> Brando: Only no remove cuz we don't have translations for a GUI at the moment
19:59:54 <ZachThibeau> also found this interesting game :) http://www.yofrankie.org/
20:00:01 <TimClark> I should make that my new .def :P
20:00:25 <ZachThibeau> lol
20:00:50 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: I didn't know you were here :P Anyway, then how did u3 do it?
20:01:05 <onestoploser> ZachThibeau: dling
20:01:09 <ZachThibeau> afaik all hardware
20:01:11 <gluxon> Oh, the fake cd partition.
20:01:31 <ZachThibeau> hardware as well
20:01:51 * OliverK wants GTK to redirect :(
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20:02:39 <Bensawsome> hey anyone use frets on fire here?
20:02:42 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: looks like not much feed back on the 1.2 from the forum :-( , no news is good news I guess :)
20:02:46 <JohnTHaller> it's hardware
20:02:52 <ZachThibeau> Bensawsome: I do :)
20:02:56 <Bensawsome> :D
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20:03:03 <Bensawsome> ZachThibeau: do you use the local at all?
20:03:07 <ZachThibeau> yup
20:03:11 <Bensawsome> :DDDDDDD
20:03:12 <ZachThibeau> well kind of
20:03:14 <JohnTHaller> doesn't matter what you release, people bitch about what you didn't include
20:03:16 <Bensawsome> im installing it local
20:03:30 <Bensawsome> and im wondering what multisamples means?
20:03:46 <eeexcid3> multiple samples
20:03:49 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: it's like the call center I used to work for for rogers communications no matter what you offer them it isn't enough :(
20:03:49 <eeexcid3> more than one sample
20:03:50 <Bensawsome> .....
20:03:53 <eeexcid3> :)
20:03:54 <Bensawsome> i mean what do i select?
20:04:00 <Bensawsome> there is 0 2 or 4
20:04:13 <eeexcid3> eenie meanie miney moe
20:04:32 <Bensawsome> ...
20:04:33 <Bensawsome> ok.......
20:04:41 <Bensawsome> so which is best for performance :/
20:04:45 <Suiseiseki> so it's 2
20:04:47 <Suiseiseki> :P
20:04:56 <ZachThibeau> good one :P
20:04:57 <Bensawsome> lol Suiseiseki
20:05:13 <Bensawsome> but seriously which is best for performance :/
20:05:17 <Suiseiseki> wait is two seletions or three?
20:05:21 <Bensawsome> 3
20:05:22 <ZachThibeau> Just pick one
20:05:24 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: is SilentWalker's / MGhany's bug a real bug ?
20:05:26 <Bensawsome> oh ok :/
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20:05:30 <JohnTHaller> Read the forum
20:05:41 <JohnTHaller> Can we please stop the random convos and talk about PA studf
20:05:51 <SilentWalker> Y must u use my real name?:P
20:05:51 <Bensawsome> sorry >_>
20:05:56 <JohnTHaller> I'm thinking we may need to banish all ot stuff to -ot permanently
20:06:02 <ZachThibeau> all other conversation to #portableapps-ot
20:06:08 <JohnTHaller> The pages and pages of ubuntu and random posts is annoying
20:06:09 <TimClark> I am sorry JohnTHaller , was my question -ot ?
20:06:13 <OliverK> nobody asked
20:06:22 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: Read the forum
20:06:57 <TimClark> ahh, you just replied :P
20:07:43 <OliverK> you mean, they follow the cursor around wherever you clicked on the button?>
20:07:47 <OliverK> yeah, I can confirm that
20:08:14 <SilentWalker> yes, that is what happened
20:08:31 <JohnTHaller> It;s a Windows API or Delphi issue. It's not the code.
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20:08:52 <SilentWalker> but only if the click is below the search button and above the arrow tip
20:09:17 <JohnTHaller> what does that even mean silent. what arrow tip. in the theme?
20:09:33 <SilentWalker> yes...the background/theme of the menu
20:09:44 <OliverK> yeah, cuase I'm not reproducing what you're screenshots show . . .
20:10:00 <ZachThibeau> anyways later all. I need to prepare for work tonight
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20:10:38 <OliverK> got it!
20:11:02 <OliverK> click on the options button. Then click outside of the options popup, and magically, a new window appears
20:11:29 <JohnTHaller> ah, figured it out.. it IS my code. ignore it for now. it'll be fixed in the next reelease
20:11:29 <OliverK> yeah, I'll confirm that as a bug on WIndows XP
20:11:46 <SilentWalker> yes....thats what i was saying all along.......havent u read the post?
20:11:46 <SilentWalker> but like john said...it may not be the PAM code
20:12:08 <OliverK> now, the popp following the mouse on the initial click is windows API\delphi
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20:12:12 <pabot> markomlm is the developer of the PortableApps.com Updater; OpenOffice.org Portable and the head of the German translation team
20:12:14 <SergentSiler> JohnTHaller, have you enabled the font color and transparencey color lines in the config file for the next release?
20:12:14 <OliverK> I.E not his fualt
20:12:16 <JohnTHaller> ignore it for now. i fixed it in the next reklease
20:12:22 <JohnTHaller> SergentSiler: no
20:12:36 <SergentSiler> :/
20:13:42 <JohnTHaller> wait, this release or next... it's enabled in next.
20:13:52 <SergentSiler> next
20:14:08 <SergentSiler> Schweet
20:14:12 <JohnTHaller> but we won't be doing themes based on it yet. not til i post the theme switcher. and it'll get it's own forum now :-)
20:14:23 <SergentSiler> :O
20:14:24 <SergentSiler> FTW
20:14:29 <onestoploser> Nice
20:14:47 <onestoploser> It's own forum will make it a lot easier to keep track of.
20:14:51 <SilentWalker> is there anyway to use my old driveSpace slider in the new PAM?
20:15:07 <JohnTHaller> you get 4 colors to set in the theme. app icon font color, folder icon font color (which also does backup. options, etc), drivespace fore color and drivespace shadow color
20:15:21 <JohnTHaller> SilentWalker: i have no idea what you mean
20:15:24 <SergentSiler> :O reminds me! is the drive space slider still the squish-the-picture type?
20:15:53 <JohnTHaller> onestoploser: yeah. and the forum will only be for new themes in pa theme format, so you don't have to worry about random stuff that doesn't apply
20:16:10 <onestoploser> That sounds great!
20:16:40 <SilentWalker> the drive space slider......i want to use the 1 I used in the 1.1 in the 1.2 menu....i.e. replace the grey slider with the 1 I previously used (blue)
20:17:19 <SergentSiler> methinks i have an upgrade solution for 1.1 themes :)
20:17:32 * SergentSiler will wait till the final release of the menu tho
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20:19:09 <JohnTHaller> SilentWalker: you have the same exact control over the slider as you did in 1.1
20:19:36 <JohnTHaller> SergentSiler: The theme switcher will support older themes (with caveats) as the eject/exit buttons won't hover
20:19:44 <SergentSiler> ah
20:19:53 <SilentWalker> but isnt it longer in the 1.2?
20:20:11 <gluxon> What is the slider?
20:20:29 <JohnTHaller> it works exactly the same
20:20:33 <SergentSiler> gluxon, the drive space slider
20:20:37 <SilentWalker> oh....ok
20:20:45 <JohnTHaller> please try things before asking people
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20:23:07 <eeexcid3> there we go
20:23:20 <SergentSiler> about time :P
20:23:25 <eeexcid3> stupid fedora
20:23:25 <OliverK> eeexcid3: I'm having pinapple!
20:23:49 * SergentSiler is having Ju Ju Bees
20:23:49 <eeexcid3> hehe :D
20:23:54 * eeexcid3 is having nothing
20:24:13 <JohnTHaller> sorry if i'm jumpy. been a shitty few days
20:24:30 <OliverK> heh
20:24:35 <SergentSiler> np JohnTHaller
20:24:38 <SergentSiler> dont sweat it :P
20:25:13 <JohnTHaller> now shutup and test :-P
20:25:21 <SergentSiler> FTW :D
20:25:40 <onestoploser> lol
20:25:54 <JohnTHaller> find everything now and i'll do an rc2 shortly
20:26:20 <SilentWalker> JohnTHaller: being a total noob....when u say test...u just mean look for abnormal behaviour? right?
20:26:39 <eeexcid3> try to break it :)
20:26:51 <SilentWalker> ok.....i just did
20:27:04 <SilentWalker> its about the drive_space_slider
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20:27:27 <SilentWalker> if its not a png...a whole set of crap comes up on the menu when it starts
20:27:29 <JohnTHaller> try all the stuff listed
20:27:47 <JohnTHaller> SilentWalker: of course it does, the theme is the theme. it MUST be in that format
20:27:58 <SilentWalker> oh...sorry:(\
20:27:59 <JohnTHaller> where did i say you could start changing random stuff?
20:28:03 <PatrickPatience> Hey, a RC.
20:28:06 <PatrickPatience> Swell.
20:28:14 <SergentSiler> :P
20:28:28 <JohnTHaller> bad SergentSiler. no cookie
20:28:28 <JohnTHaller> :-P
20:28:36 <SergentSiler> D:
20:28:38 * SergentSiler hides in corner
20:28:45 * SergentSiler weeps softly
20:28:49 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: yeah, try it out now. i'm gonna post rc2 shortly
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20:31:43 <JohnTHaller> test me: http://portableapps.com/node/18315
20:32:30 * OliverK tests http://portableapps.com/node/18315
20:32:35 <OliverK> the link is good! :p
20:32:53 <SilentWalker> to some1 else except John (I think I pissed john off enough already....sorry) - will the 1.5 have the ability to categorize apps?
20:33:15 <JohnTHaller> SilentWalker: No. 2.0 will
20:33:34 <SilentWalker> ok...thanks
20:33:45 <PatrickPatience> So did everyone love this? http://xkcd.com/550/
20:33:52 <PatrickPatience> I know Bensawsome would. :-P
20:34:05 <Bensawsome> >_>
20:34:10 * Bensawsome clicks
20:34:13 * SergentSiler did
20:34:21 <dbdii407> Twitter feel in the garbage today.
20:34:27 <Bensawsome> XD
20:34:32 <dbdii407> It's taking a few Z's
20:34:34 <SergentSiler> dbdii407, yarly
20:34:46 * SergentSiler sensed a phail whale earlier today :P
20:35:03 <PatrickPatience> Hey John, maybe send out a tweet about the RC?
20:35:18 <JohnTHaller> i would if twitter would work for 5 mins :-P
20:35:27 <SergentSiler> lol
20:35:38 <onestoploser> lol
20:35:49 <onestoploser> Twitter and last.fm in the same day. :(
20:36:14 <Bensawsome> :/\
20:36:14 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Heh, yeah. I just had to reload twice.
20:36:15 <SergentSiler> last.fm has been taking a crap for the past week and a half :P
20:36:20 <JohnTHaller> Twitter: What are you doing? - FAILing
20:36:44 <SergentSiler> XD
20:36:45 <PatrickPatience> Ahhh. I hate the word.
20:36:49 <PatrickPatience> Fail!
20:36:50 <PatrickPatience> Epic!
20:36:53 <PatrickPatience> Epic fail!
20:36:54 <onestoploser> lmao
20:36:55 <PatrickPatience> *stab*
20:36:56 <Bensawsome> lolololol
20:37:02 <SergentSiler> EPIC PHAILUREZ
20:37:03 <JohnTHaller> Twitter Server: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/07/funny-pictures-i-have-the-dumb/
20:37:34 <SergentSiler> rofl
20:37:51 <PatrickPatience> Alphabetizaconia International eh?
20:37:53 <onestoploser> XD
20:38:00 <SergentSiler> XD
20:39:08 <TimClark> I take it the testing is on hold, at least for a few minutes
20:39:13 <PatrickPatience> Whoa... highlighting is so sext.
20:39:21 <PatrickPatience> *sexy
20:39:27 <OliverK> PatrickPatience: I has geany portable!
20:39:29 <TimClark> Everybody, ...Breath :D
20:39:30 <OliverK> well, sorta :D
20:39:36 <PatrickPatience> PatrickPatience: Do it up, do it up!
20:39:55 <OliverK> ?
20:39:56 <PatrickPatience> ... *waits for catch*
20:39:58 <SergentSiler> everybody needs to take a break and listen to the Gorillaz :D
20:40:06 <JohnTHaller> ohai TimClark. you haz cheezburger?
20:40:09 <PatrickPatience> No, they really don't.
20:40:11 <SergentSiler> .o lastfm sergentsiler
20:40:14 <pabot> Now playing Man Research by Gorillaz from the album Greatest Hits - http://www.last.fm/music/Gorillaz/_/Man+Research
20:40:34 * SergentSiler steals TimClark's cheezburger
20:40:38 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: where is the real JohnTHaller and what have you done to him :P
20:40:44 <SergentSiler> ohaithar (^_^)
20:41:10 <JohnTHaller> ok, ok, i'm done. so, any other platform issues with the 1.2 release?
20:41:14 <onestoploser> rofl
20:41:27 <PatrickPatience> Haha. So StartPortableApps.exe runs PortableAppsPlatform.exe which runs PortableAppsPlatform.exe?
20:41:32 <SergentSiler> none that i can find
20:41:33 <onestoploser> Other than the one bug reported, I think it's great.
20:41:41 <TimClark> Back to work :O //snap whip
20:41:43 <onestoploser> I like it better than the old one.
20:41:53 <JohnTHaller> so far i'm gonna (1) add INI option to disable lang switching (2) fix the phantom button below help (3) enable the font color in the theme (4) a few surprises
20:42:08 <SergentSiler> :O
20:42:11 <PatrickPatience> Eww... font color.
20:42:11 <SergentSiler> Easter Eggs FTW
20:42:11 <onestoploser> 4 sounds excellent. ;)
20:42:45 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: No. PortableApps\PortableApps.com\PortableAppsPlatform.exe is the real one. The one in the App directory is for the installers which were keyed to it running from there (it no longer does)
20:43:07 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Ahhh! There we go.
20:43:27 <PatrickPatience> Whai... wha?
20:43:29 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: Our theme will be black. But others can set the theme font colors independently. (app list, folder list, free space foreground and shadow)
20:44:01 <JohnTHaller> The PA installer looks for it in PortableApps\PortableApps.com\App. And we have lots of releases looking for it there.
20:44:07 <PatrickPatience> Did previous installers look for it in a "PortableApps" folder, not "PortableApps.com"
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20:44:47 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Always looked in X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com. Old menu didn't support the refresh message. This only affects the refresh message. As for install location, it just looks for X:\PortableApps
20:44:56 <JohnTHaller> hi pa_8077. how can we help you
20:45:03 <pa_8077> hello, i wanted to know if its possible to add like applications from my computer to my flashdrive using portble apps
20:45:17 <pa_8077> but apps like google chrome
20:45:22 <pa_8077> stuff thats not .paf
20:45:35 <OliverK> pa_8077: you should never use something that is not portable from a flashdrive
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20:45:50 <JohnTHaller> pa_8077: some apps yes, some apps no. basically, only if they are portable already. if they are portable but not PAF, read here: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
20:45:57 <OliverK> you could leave data behind on computers that would allow individuals to steal your identity.
20:46:33 <OliverK> As for google chrome, if you search in the forums you will find numerous packages. PortableApps.com doesn't offciially support them.
20:46:34 <pa_8077> i have cc cleaner on my drive
20:46:50 <onestoploser> Here is a Chrome Portable beta\http://portableapps.com/node/18051
20:46:51 <pa_8077> ok, thank you
20:46:52 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Why don't you rename the two word locales to include spaces so it's not like CamelCase in the menu? Or even just grab the "Name" value from the locale.
20:46:55 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/node/18051
20:47:09 <JohnTHaller> pa_8077: and we have a google chrome portable test in the forums here: http://portableapps.com/node/18051
20:47:10 <OliverK> pa_8077: http://portableapps.com/node/18051 Look here.
20:47:51 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: It will be using the Name value later. Just using the filename now.
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20:48:00 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
20:48:13 <OliverK> pa_8077: cc cleaner leaves behind information. But there is also a portbale package of that, if memory serves. Just use the handy serach feature on the site and you might find what you're looking for. I do
20:48:15 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Ahh, mmmkay.
20:48:16 <JohnTHaller> pa_8077: anything else we can help you with?
20:48:22 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/search/
20:48:29 <pa_8077> nope, thank you very much
20:48:45 <JohnTHaller> pa_8077: sure thing. pop back in or post in the forums if you have other questions
20:48:51 <pa_8077> k
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20:49:40 <JohnTHaller> finally twitter cooperated. platform tweet sent
20:49:49 * SergentSiler recieved in spaz :P
20:50:25 <PatrickPatience> .o twitter PortableApps
20:50:28 <pabot> <@PortableApps> PortableApps.com Platform 1.2 Test: http://portableapps.com/node/18051 :-) (http://twitter.com/PortableApps/statuses/1270754716)
20:51:04 <PatrickPatience> Anyone seen the recent Flight of the Conchord songs?
20:52:51 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: when I mouse over a application, it going to show anything?
20:53:19 <JohnTHaller> No hover popup atm
20:53:29 <JohnTHaller> will have location, version, publisher, etc later
20:53:53 <OliverK> k
20:55:08 <SilentWalker> JohnTHaller: will you implement a side scrollbar? i saw a lot of requests for it in the forums...
20:55:25 <JohnTHaller> no scrollbar planned.
20:55:32 <SilentWalker> ok
20:55:39 <JohnTHaller> forgot about the "Run As" feature. Added: http://portableapps.com/node/18315
20:55:45 <PatrickPatience> I don't get it. The keyboard is so where it's at.
20:55:47 <OliverK> i don't think its needed, though I wish the arrows were a black or red
20:55:58 <PatrickPatience> Agreed.
20:56:02 <PatrickPatience> Throw some colors in the arrows.
20:56:11 <JohnTHaller> It's kinda assumed most people will use the mouse wheel
20:56:22 <PatrickPatience> I use the arrow keys. But I have a laptop.
20:56:23 <JohnTHaller> oh, and I forgot to update the buttons. they're gonna scroll a full page now
20:56:26 <PatrickPatience> I would use the mouse wheels.
20:56:29 <PatrickPatience> Is so much easier.
20:56:38 <OliverK> we've had a few request or complaints (take your pick)
20:56:50 <OliverK> I like the mouse wheel as well, but not all people have them
20:57:21 <JohnTHaller> i can't imagine not having a mouse wheel. everything has had em for years and years now. except macs. fail.
20:57:43 <JohnTHaller> (i kid. i like multitouch scrolling)
20:58:04 <SergentSiler> One button mouse FTL
20:58:31 <PatrickPatience> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEUfrCTfrRc&feature=channel_page
20:58:34 <pabot> PatrickPatience: YouTube - Poice Beat Down Young Girl
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20:58:46 <SergentSiler> i cant imagine life without a right click and scrollwheel
20:59:01 <OliverK> neither can I
20:59:02 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: that doesn't need to be posted here
20:59:26 <PatrickPatience> Mmmkay. Just Philly D.
21:00:10 <OliverK> not that young
21:00:24 <OliverK> and it would have been better to see the part before they jumped here
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21:03:59 <alpha1beta1> hello
21:04:04 <OliverK> alpha1beta1: howdy :D
21:04:08 *** alpha1beta1 is now known as alpha1beta
21:04:12 <SergentSiler> ohaithar alpha1beta
21:04:17 <alpha1beta> hey OliverK long time no see
21:04:43 <alpha1beta> hey Siler, what's going on?
21:04:57 <SergentSiler> not much
21:04:59 <JohnTHaller> alpha1beta: This is: http://portableapps.com/node/18315 :-)
21:05:10 <SergentSiler> Oh yeah! that :P
21:05:18 <alpha1beta> Thank you! you just made my day John :D
21:06:04 <alpha1beta> sweet!
21:07:43 <JohnTHaller> alpha1beta: I try :-)
21:08:01 <alpha1beta> that's saying something since we had a snowday :P
21:09:18 <alpha1beta> wow we got all the ops in today, Patrick, John, Tim, Marko, and Gizmo, wow, just missing ryan
21:10:01 <OliverK> isn't this a room record?
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21:10:27 <alpha1beta> 29? no, i think it's a tie
21:10:36 <alpha1beta> wheres ryan when you need him :P
21:10:38 <TimClark> don't forget OliverK and ChristM :(
21:11:17 <alpha1beta> Well who cares about Chris :P
21:11:22 <OliverK> heh :D
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21:11:34 <alpha1beta> lets see he'd be sleepiing, like 6am for him maybe 7
21:12:41 <alpha1beta> hey, now it's 30, can anyone confirm that as NOT a new record?
21:12:48 <dbdii407> JohnTHaller:
21:12:53 <dbdii407> .o twitter
21:12:55 <pabot> <@dbdii407> @PortableApps Thats Google Chrome. Wrong link. (http://twitter.com/dbdii407/statuses/1270851715)
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21:14:20 <gluxon> Hello rcmaehl :P
21:14:20 <alpha1beta> ok, now this is a record, for sure
21:14:25 <rcmaehl> hi
21:14:36 <alpha1beta> can we help you with anything?
21:14:47 <dbdii407> rcmaehl: Welcome back. :)
21:14:55 <rcmaehl> thnks
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21:19:45 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: You realize the version number of the menu is still 1.2, eh?
21:19:49 <PatrickPatience> *1.1
21:19:58 <alpha1beta> lol.
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21:20:40 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: where?
21:21:02 <JohnTHaller> it's 1.1.991 on purpose in the actual exe. 1.2 RC 1 in the description
21:21:27 <PatrickPatience> Okay, I just wanted to make sure it was on purpose so you didn't forget and have the updating screwed up.
21:21:27 <JohnTHaller> 991 is 1.2 RC1, 992 will be RC2. 1.2.0 will be 1.2 final
21:21:34 <PatrickPatience> Okay.
21:22:27 <JohnTHaller> oh yeah... also for non-PAF apps, if there is an AppNamePortable.exe within a directory named AppNamePortable, it'll only add that and ignore all other EXEs.
21:22:36 <JohnTHaller> i'll try and add that to 1.2 RC2
21:22:56 <alpha1beta> omg, that's awesome.
21:22:59 * OliverK thinks easter is comign earlies?
21:23:23 <OliverK> that would fail for my sig luancher for spicebird.
21:23:34 <JohnTHaller> PAF apps it doesn't apply to
21:23:35 * alpha1beta thinks christmas is coming early, snow and a new menu :)
21:23:38 <OliverK> I'd have to monkey more then I did, and I don't like doing that :(
21:25:36 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: So you settled on showing all OpenOffice.org launchers?
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21:26:36 <JohnTHaller> no, the openofficeprotable.exe should not be shown
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21:26:40 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
21:27:36 <OliverK> could a mode stick some pre tags in this post pleas? http://portableapps.com/node/18165#comment-112892
21:27:38 <OliverK> thanks
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21:28:17 <alpha1beta> Yea I see the OO portable exe along with each app
21:30:53 <TimClark> OliverK: check please
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21:31:22 * OliverK mails check
21:31:25 <alpha1beta> that'll be $42.99 sir :P
21:31:47 <TimClark> OliverK: :-( just tell me if that is what you wanted
21:31:52 <OliverK> alpha1beta: cheap skate. Mine was 3 easy payments of 14.99
21:31:57 <OliverK> TimClark: that is excellent
21:31:59 <alpha1beta> lol
21:32:09 <OliverK> exactly what I was looking for.
21:32:20 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> alpha1beta: we're missing ChrisM too (in regards to your earlier comment about ops)
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21:32:37 * JohnTHaller is annoyed with vista
21:32:47 <alpha1beta> Wow that was late Gizmo, and we said that already :P
21:33:38 <Gizmokid2005> alpha1beta: I was afk, and saw I had a ping
21:33:41 <Gizmokid2005> so I had to see what it was about
21:33:44 <alpha1beta> i know :P
21:34:07 <alpha1beta> JohnTHaller, I know exactly how you feel, my win7 install got screwed up and everything from win2k to 7 BSOD on install. windows sucks :P, you should give win7 a shot,kicks vista's fat butt
21:34:42 * OliverK 's ISO was corrupt :(
21:34:54 <OliverK> or whatever. I can't boot it in VM
21:35:01 <alpha1beta> i pulled down 2 of them
21:35:06 <alpha1beta> both BSOD
21:35:24 <OliverK> i'm ulp getting a copy from my buddy
21:35:35 * rcmaehl thinks vista has some good things but needs a LOT of improvement
21:35:39 <OliverK> I've got the keys and everything, so it should be *fairly* legal
21:36:05 <alpha1beta> I got a vista restore disk in the mail from HP, should be here tomorrow, but it's still a day without a computer for school, sort of
21:37:04 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Did you get that message from David on Twitter?
21:37:17 <JohnTHaller> i don't check twitter messages
21:37:27 <PatrickPatience> http://twitter.com/dbdii407/status/1270851715
21:37:48 <PatrickPatience> 'Epic' clipboard 'fail'.
21:37:57 <dbdii407> Lol. Okay. ;)
21:38:02 <JohnTHaller> hah oops
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21:38:46 <JohnTHaller> fixed
21:39:04 <dbdii407> Ty.
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21:43:01 <OliverK> GOSH!
21:43:36 <OliverK> I just got a blessing from (I believe) the developer of Geany to create a PAF version!
21:43:45 <onestoploser> Geany?
21:43:51 <onestoploser> .google geany
21:43:58 <SergentSiler> .g geany
21:44:00 <pabot> SergentSiler: http://www.geany.org/
21:44:03 <onestoploser> oops
21:44:08 <onestoploser> thanks
21:44:10 <SergentSiler> pffffft :P
21:44:11 <dbdii407> .wik geany
21:44:13 <pabot> "Geany is a lightweight cross-platform GTK+ text editor[2]| based on Scintilla with basic Integrated Development Environment (IDE) features." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geany
21:44:26 <JohnTHaller> me thinks we don't need another scintilla based text editor
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21:44:28 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
21:44:29 <OliverK> it is some sweetness
21:44:41 <OliverK> me thinks people should try it
21:44:44 <alpha1beta> we have like 10 text editors in beta
21:44:56 <SergentSiler> methinks we dont need another text editor, period
21:45:00 <alpha1beta> sciTE is good, and notepad++ it awesome
21:45:05 <OliverK> its actually more of a C++ IDE
21:45:25 <OliverK> inline support for compilers. supports NSIS. also walks dogs
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21:45:35 <alpha1beta> we have code blocks for that
21:45:36 * OliverK wonders if anyone catches the heinlien reference
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21:45:46 <SergentSiler> OliverK, installs kitchen sinks too ;)
21:45:48 <SergentSiler> :P
21:45:51 <SergentSiler> too?*
21:46:05 <OliverK> alpha1beta: code blocks doesn't work. Stuff goes astray and the plugins don't work right
21:46:34 <onestoploser> I've been looking for a Linux alternate text editor. I'll try this one out.
21:47:15 <alpha1beta> never tried it in Dept so idk
21:47:27 <OliverK> yes, this is cross platform
21:47:41 <OliverK> which is why I like it and thinks its a valid addition
21:48:08 <onestoploser> I like notepad++, but doesn't run in Linux.
21:48:24 <alpha1beta> it runs well under wine
21:48:26 <OliverK> me too
21:48:35 * OliverK doesn't wanna dork with wine
21:48:43 * SergentSiler slaps OliverK
21:49:07 <onestoploser> I couldn't get it to work with Wine.
21:49:09 <OliverK> its fine for getting something you need on occasion or when you can't get an alternative. But its better to use a native port
21:49:34 * onestoploser agrees
21:49:58 <alpha1beta> usually, but i've seen somethings the run better on wine then the port
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21:53:23 <alpha1beta> that's 32, another new record
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21:55:40 <SrgSiler|AFK> alpha1beta, watson was onestoploser
21:55:50 <SrgSiler|AFK> brb in a few
21:56:02 <alpha1beta> damn
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21:57:34 <OliverK> alpha1beta: how do you work the python command line?
21:58:39 <alpha1beta> umm i'm not the best one to ask, but whatcha need, (excid3 would probably be better)
21:59:13 <OliverK> nah, I just wanna know in genral how to get something like phenny running from the python commandline
21:59:34 <alpha1beta> idk how to run that, i know how to compile some stuff, and use py2exe
21:59:47 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Compiled any installers with the 0.12.2 languages yet?
21:59:58 <PatrickPatience> It doesn't seem to like Swedish, and I can't find the error.
22:00:01 <OliverK> k
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22:00:51 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: ... lig avsluta den innan du fortsätter.\r\n\r\nKlicka på \"Nästa\" för att fortsätta."
22:00:57 <PatrickPatience> I don't think it likes those quotes.
22:01:58 * PatrickPatience remotes quotes.
22:02:07 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: Yes, there are errors in Catalan, Swedish and a couple otehrs. I'm releasing 0.12.3
22:02:35 <PatrickPatience> Kay, I shall wait then.
22:03:58 <JohnTHaller> hang on, I'll do it now for ya
22:04:08 <JohnTHaller> i found it when doing the platform installer since it uses the same locales
22:04:52 <OliverK> later taters :D
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22:07:21 <PatrickPatience> Thanks.
22:10:01 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: PortableApps.com Installer 0.12.3: http://portableapps.com/node/14939
22:11:38 <gluxon> Did you change anything in PortableApps.comInstallerConfig.nsh?
22:12:11 <gluxon> Cause I hate reupdating that thing...
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22:12:15 <pabot> ptmb is a blogger and wannabe programmer that uses Linux. He is an OpenSource fanatic too. You can see more about him at http://ptmblogger.co.cc/
22:12:20 <gluxon> Hello ptmb
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22:12:38 <ptmb> Hi everybody! Hi gluxon!
22:14:35 <alpha1beta> hey pmtb!
22:14:43 <ptmb> Hi alpha1beta!
22:15:02 <alpha1beta> we needed you the other night...sooo badly...we had support, the guy only spoke Portuguese
22:15:08 <JohnTHaller> read the announcement. i'm tired of saying it over and over :-P
22:15:35 <ptmb> :P
22:15:41 <alpha1beta> pmtb http://portableapps.com/node/18315
22:16:01 <ptmb> alpha1beta: http://portableapps.com/node/18315#comment-112881
22:16:02 <ptmb> :D
22:16:27 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: read. always read first. http://portableapps.com/node/14939#comment-112899
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22:16:58 <gluxon> :P
22:17:01 <gluxon> Sorry.
22:17:04 <Bensawsome> gluxon: RTFM
22:17:05 <Bensawsome> lol
22:17:25 <gluxon> ?
22:17:46 <gluxon> Great, now I gotta look up whatever RTFM means in the acryonym dictionary...
22:18:14 <Bensawsome> gluxon: read the F****** manual
22:18:17 <Bensawsome> ;)
22:18:25 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: yes, read the freaking manual
22:18:33 <JohnTHaller> Read The Frakkin Manual
22:18:40 <Bensawsome> frakkin nice ^_^
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22:19:04 <gluxon> Read The Furnished Manual... That's not right... :P
22:19:15 <Bensawsome> LOL
22:20:32 <Bensawsome> w00t i modded the startportableapps.exe to launch the 1.2 menu and the old menu mod :D
22:20:44 <gluxon> ... That's not so hard...
22:20:57 <Bensawsome> lol
22:20:58 <gluxon> I already did that like, 3 days ago...
22:21:06 <Bensawsome> it took a sec for me to get it right :P
22:21:11 <Bensawsome> soooooooory :P
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22:24:01 <tmg> hey, neither mplayer nor coolplayer can play the .pls streams from shoutcast.com, and I don't know why. They seem to be complaining about a lack of album art...or something?
22:24:33 <JohnTHaller> you know if the base apps can play them? ie local mplayer or coolplayer? did you try VLC?
22:24:42 <tmg> is there some internet setting I need to configure? A while back I could play shoutcast stuff with mplayer fine, but now I can't.
22:25:33 <tmg> .pls is a pretty common playlist format, I'd be surpised if it didn't work.
22:25:44 <tmg> and they both support streaming, so...
22:26:04 <JohnTHaller> did you try them locally? streamcast may have messed up their PLS files
22:26:12 <JohnTHaller> (pretty common)
22:26:38 <tmg> I don't know if I can install mplayer or coolplayer locally.
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22:26:52 <pabot> SergentSiler is awsome and is the most.... Hey, wait, OMG!!!! PIE!!!! <3
22:27:20 <JohnTHaller> if they both used to and suddenly both don't... it's either they're blocked network wise (new policy by your school or work) or shoutcast changed their PLS files and they're broken
22:27:36 <tmg> btw, its not streamcast, its shoutcast (or are they the same)?
22:27:41 <JohnTHaller> different
22:28:08 <alpha1beta> try using shoutcast via songbird or winamp
22:28:56 <JohnTHaller> i just tried the 1st PLS link on shoutcast.com and it worked fine in coolplayer
22:28:58 <JohnTHaller> and winamp
22:28:59 <tmg> I'm on a lab computer...I'm sort of limited
22:29:12 <JohnTHaller> i'd guess your school is now blocking it
22:29:25 <tmg> hmm, odd
22:29:26 <alpha1beta> college or HS?
22:29:30 <tmg> college
22:29:39 <tmg> but they didn't used to block it...
22:29:59 <JohnTHaller> not surprising really. lots of bandwdith. colleges and offices often suddenly block stuff that's nonessential like that.
22:30:05 <alpha1beta> well i know my school blocks more stuff daily
22:30:09 <alpha1beta> and we're a HS
22:30:29 <JohnTHaller> especially with a global depression and slashed IT budgets
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22:30:42 <pabot> KevinPorter is an interesting fellow who you might see here and there, blogging about various things and Twittering a bunch.
22:31:32 <tmg> that bot is annoying...
22:32:06 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. It's useful when people have a real description. But everyone seems to have put up useless jokes now. :-(
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22:32:28 <alpha1beta> I hate that bot.
22:32:49 <gluxon> I love it :P
22:32:58 <alpha1beta> *smack gluxon with pabot*
22:33:04 <gluxon> ...
22:33:06 <ptmb> I made my description usefull (I hope :P )
22:33:08 * Bensawsome loves it too
22:33:14 * Bensawsome slaps alpha1beta with gluxon
22:33:22 <gluxon> Bensawsome!!!
22:33:23 <JohnTHaller> stop guys
22:33:31 <JohnTHaller> tmg: is there anything else we can assist you with?
22:33:38 <KevinPorter> Lovely way to enter the room. :)
22:34:13 <tmg> I can stream MP3s into WMP just fine...
22:34:28 <tmg> but apparently not playlists.
22:35:36 <tmg> I'm going to see if it will work with XMPlay. If all else fails, XMPlay usually succeeds.
22:35:37 <JohnTHaller> PLS files just have info on the streaming server. Entries like this: http://scfire-ntc-aa09.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1074 So your school may have decided to block that
22:36:04 <alpha1beta> or they blocked the port, you can always try another port
22:36:43 <tmg> port 80? then how am I talking to you? :)
22:36:57 <Gizmokid2005> tmg: not every service uses port 80
22:37:04 <JohnTHaller> they have have blocked all stream.aol.com servers
22:37:15 <JohnTHaller> or the port on the other PLS files (many don't use port 80)
22:37:18 <alpha1beta> yeah, i would think that the port would be different
22:39:26 <tmg> hey, is there a way to turn off the Portable<X> splash that shows up for each app?
22:40:02 <JohnTHaller> Check out ther Other\Source directory. There is an INI. You can copy it to the AppNamePortable directory and change a setting. Sometimes this will enable advanced features, though
22:41:55 <tmg> ok...how can I change the port to use for streaming playlists/MP3s/whatever? the playlist file just has an IP in it with some giant port number, if I change it to :80 I just get a website
22:42:20 <JohnTHaller> you can't. servers only serve on specific ports
22:42:54 <tmg> ok...then do I need to use a proxy or something?
22:43:44 <JohnTHaller> if your school blocked it, you're done. unless you setup a proxy on a home machine and bounce through that or something.
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22:45:09 <alpha1beta> SSH works well for that, with Xming
22:45:54 <Bensawsome> w00t go ssh ^_^
22:45:59 <SergentSiler> lol
22:47:11 <alpha1beta> I'm already on the non filtered area at my school, cause of my work with tech, but i love using FF via ssh from home to go places
22:51:10 <gluxon> Is support over? Or is it still going?
22:51:38 <TimClark> What is your question gluxon ?
22:52:14 <gluxon> Well, can somebody help me set up logs for my channel? Online? Like what palogbot does?
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22:52:58 <LOGAN> is it normal that I see PortableApps.com Platform in list of apps?
22:55:43 <LOGAN> I removed portableappsmenu and portableapps.com folder and reinstalled the RC1
22:55:48 <LOGAN> now its gone
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22:57:10 <LOGAN> maybe i forgot to close menu so it got a little weird
23:00:26 * LOGAN yawns
23:00:35 <LOGAN> well nite all, gonna do something else
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23:02:42 <tmg> ...I just found a playlist that works in XMplay.
23:02:44 <tmg> unfortunately its some really annoying death metal. :P
23:02:45 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: not really what we do here
23:02:46 <JohnTHaller> tmg: yeah, sounds like your scool is selectively blocking
23:02:47 <pabot> LOGAN is a person that's crazy over fun portable stuff.
23:02:49 <tmg> it was from the same place that I got all the of the playlists that didn't work...I guess that means trial and error is the only way to find working playlists.
23:02:55 <JohnTHaller> yeah, but it doesn't matter the server hosting the PLS. it matters the server connected to inside the PLS
23:03:00 <tmg> i know, but it's not easy to check what server that is from the website...and even if you could, who's to say if its one of the "forbidden" servers or not
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23:04:04 <pabot> TimClark thinks "We are one but we are many | And from all the lands on earth we come | We share a dream and sing with one voice | I am | You are | We are PAppsian " :D
23:04:07 <TimClark> Welcome Back Everybody, where'd you all go :D
23:04:08 <TimClark> only 3 of us were left :O
23:04:09 <TimClark> matborden: Sui_Dorimu and me :)
23:04:09 <TimClark> We missed You
23:04:10 <KevinPorter> Afternoon TimClark. :)
23:04:11 <dbdii407> You missed me? :O *me is happy*
23:04:12 <dbdii407> LOGAN: No.
23:04:12 *** powerjuce is now known as powerjuce|away
23:04:13 <TimClark> dbdii407: may i quote you from mibbit ?
23:04:13 <dbdii407> TimClark: Onto what channel sir?
23:04:13 <JohnTHaller> LOGAN: Are you using the new 1.2 platform?
23:04:14 <dbdii407> TimClark: If it's a official pa.com channel, sure. :)
23:04:14 <TimClark> this one, i may find this of value some day "16:53.38 dbdii407> yogurtfrozen: Don't flood the room with your random keyboard slashes and [insert language here] stuff.
23:04:15 <dbdii407> Lol. Thanks. :)
23:04:15 <tmg> hey, is there a good PortableSvn or something like that?
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23:04:33 <KevinPorter> Oh nice.
23:04:37 <Gizmokid2005> again
23:04:38 <Gizmokid2005> beautiful
23:04:45 <KevinPorter> Gotta love netsplits.
23:04:52 <Gizmokid2005> oh yeah
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23:05:16 <KevinPorter> Okie dokie, that was fun.
23:05:50 <pabot> KevinPorter is an interesting fellow who you might see here and there, blogging about various things and Twittering a bunch.
23:05:50 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
23:05:50 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
23:05:50 <pabot> palogbot is the logging bot for #portableapps . Logs are found at http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs . If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart
23:05:50 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually).
23:05:50 <pabot> Mir is Mir, a lurker whom likes emulators. oh please will you give him some.
23:05:54 <SergentSiler> netsplit FTW
23:06:02 <Gizmokid2005> well pabot, hello..?
23:06:06 <dbdii407> That was awesome. Can we see that example again Mr. Freenode?
23:06:13 <TimClark> And again, Welcom back, How Come I never get Split ?
23:06:18 <excid3> netsplit?
23:06:30 <dbdii407> .wik netsplit
23:06:32 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: you do, the room splits into two
23:06:32 <pabot> "In computer networking, specifically Internet Relay Chat (IRC), netsplit is a term used to describe the disconnection of a given node from the previously established network or between two nodes." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
23:06:34 <Bensawsome> wooooo netsplit XD
23:06:49 <SergentSiler> [ATT All] just had a netsplit
23:06:56 * tmg is still listening to the annoying death metal station...
23:07:01 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: but it's always me and 2 or 3 other folks, and the REST all leave :O
23:07:13 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: there was 15 of us in here during the split
23:07:14 * tmg decides its actually not too bad
23:07:15 <Gizmokid2005> including KevinPorter
23:07:40 <SergentSiler> yep
23:07:47 <SergentSiler> for once i wasnt on the dead server :D
23:07:49 <Guest3680> <TimClark> matborden: Sui_Dorimu and me :) ???
23:07:52 <Guest3680> crad!
23:08:00 <KevinPorter> Yesh. And that's how it all happened.
23:08:03 <Guest3680> *crud
23:08:20 <tmg> holy crad.
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23:09:20 <Guest3680> heh
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23:12:47 <SergentSiler> for anone who didnt catch the global notice:
23:12:49 <SergentSiler> -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all. A couple of our hubs lost connectivity for a minute or so there resulting in a rather large and noising split. We have worked around the issue for now and are hopeful things will now settle down. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for using freenode!
23:14:45 <Suiseiseki> Gotta love thos splits
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23:16:58 <tmg> well, I think I've learned everything I need to know for now. I think I'll stop trying to evade the school's draconianism by quitting my IRC session.
23:17:01 <tmg> babye.
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23:18:14 <gluxon> What's up with pabot?
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23:23:36 <pabot> ptmb is a blogger and wannabe programmer that uses Linux. He is an OpenSource fanatic too. You can see more about him at http://ptmblogger.co.cc/
23:25:42 <rcmaehl> rcmaehl
23:26:32 <rcmaehl> .def rcmaehl
23:26:33 <pabot> rcmaehl: I have no idea who or what rcmaehl is.
23:26:40 <rcmaehl> .ptmb
23:26:45 <rcmaehl> .def ptmb
23:26:46 <pabot> rcmaehl: ptmb is a blogger and wannabe programmer that uses Linux. He is an OpenSource fanatic too. You can see more about him at http://ptmblogger.co.cc/
23:26:53 <ptmb> Hi rcmaehl!
23:27:03 <rcmaehl> hi
23:27:29 <rcmaehl> hey .def pptmb
23:27:33 <rcmaehl> hey .def ptmb
23:28:04 <ptmb> I think it only workis if .def has nothing behind it
23:28:49 <rcmaehl> hey add me to the .def of pabot with my (you know what {coughs...site...coughs again})
23:29:23 <ptmb> I think you need to go to Ryan's channel to change your .def rcmaehl
23:29:30 <ptmb> what was it?
23:30:22 <ptmb> I don't want to misspell anything, but I think it was #rmcue or something, just wait till you see pabot in there
23:30:51 <ptmb> it is with 2 "c"s after all
23:31:13 <ptmb> there, you type .def yourname yourdef to change the def
23:31:47 <ptmb> and .def forget yourname, or something like that if you want to eraze it, remember you need to eraze it first if you want to change it
23:31:50 <TimClark> rcmaehl: please don't do random .defs on folks, take it to -ot , #rccmue, or PM with pabot :-(
23:31:52 <ptmb> *erase
23:31:53 <powerjuce|away> hey JohnTHaller pm?
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23:43:51 * dbdii407 will not let mibbit's #mibbit down. :)
23:44:55 * dbdii407 has to concentrate now.
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23:45:16 <Suiseiseki> lol
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23:49:38 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is wondering why he hangs out here. I mean... He doesn't develop or anything...
23:50:02 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello Everyone!
23:50:36 <ptmb> Hi Oni-Neoxes!
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23:52:30 <Bensawsome> o noez
23:52:48 <Oni-Neoxes> o:
23:52:53 <Bensawsome> :o
23:57:59 <dbdii407> _-