IRC Log from 2009-03-10
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00:53:43 <pabot> JacobMastel is an ameture AHK coder. If you need/want a script ask him he might do it for ya ;)
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01:12:45 <Soike> oooooooooooooooooooh, lotsa people to get here :)
01:12:51 <SrgSiler|AFK> ya
01:13:06 * Soike knuckle cracks
01:13:13 <Soike> TO WORK
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01:18:45 <pabot> TimClark thinks "We are one but we are many | And from all the lands on earth we come | We share a dream and sing with one voice | I am | You are | We are PAppsian " :)
01:19:00 <TimClark> Hello All
01:19:12 <daBomb69> Hello TimClark, how are you today?
01:19:32 <TimClark> daBomb69: who is you new best friend ?
01:19:45 <daBomb69> uhh..
01:19:53 <daBomb69> TimClark is:P
01:20:09 <TimClark> Well, it's obvious I don't intend to be your best friend anymore: 23:36:28 * daBomb69 is very glad TimClark isn't here
01:20:20 <TimClark> 23:37:21 * daBomb69 will hide from TimClark if/when he comes
01:20:26 * daBomb69 hides
01:20:38 <TimClark> Shame to, wasted a lot of time trying to help you too
01:20:49 <daBomb69> Well, me did nick change
01:21:26 <TimClark> Of course if you NEED an OP, that's fine, but please don't bug me with your petty crap anymore, thanks
01:21:35 * daBomb69 has the normal name now, so no longer needs to hide from TimClark
01:25:03 <DaveDixonII> daBomb69: Don't do what i did. You'll regret it. :P
01:25:20 <daBomb69> DaveDixonII: what did u do?
01:25:24 <DaveDixonII> No here.
01:25:45 * DaveDixonII doesn't want to speak of the 11 pg long reason. :P
01:25:59 <daBomb69> 11 pg long... wow!
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01:26:02 <pabot> Roamer is one of the Linux geeks that are found here from time to time.
01:26:11 <daBomb69> hello Roamer
01:26:40 <Roamer> hello
01:26:46 <daBomb69> How are you today?
01:26:55 <Roamer> good. lol
01:27:03 <daBomb69> cool
01:27:59 <TimClark> Hello Roamer , long time no chat
01:28:43 <Roamer> hi TimClark. Work, eh? that's my reasoning.
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01:29:32 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
01:29:41 <daBomb69> hrllo ZachThibeau
01:30:08 <Roamer> daBomb69: sppeking engrish are we? ZachThibeau: hello
01:30:22 <daBomb69> Roamer: No senyor
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01:30:27 <Roamer> lol
01:30:31 <daBomb69> *Hello
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01:30:35 <daBomb69> Statbot!
01:30:41 <Roamer> hi Havvy
01:31:03 <Roamer> Bensawsome's coming back online...
01:31:28 <Bensawsome> lol yep
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01:33:06 <Havvy> Hello Roamer.
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01:34:06 <Soike> ohhh, theres a wastepotatoe here
01:34:08 <Soike> i remember that yelling guy
01:34:28 <Roamer> hi Soike.
01:34:39 <Soike> do i know you?
01:34:52 <Roamer> nope just me being nice
01:34:58 <lilg> is there a way to make apps other than the ones offered on the site portable?
01:35:26 <daBomb69> Yes
01:35:32 <lilg> how?
01:35:47 <daBomb69> You just need to make an NSIS launcher for the app
01:35:56 <lilg> ???nsis
01:35:57 <daBomb69> So, you have to learn NSIS
01:35:59 <Soike> ok then , hi roamer
01:36:01 <Soike> I IZ DUNN
01:36:02 <daBomb69> .g nsis
01:36:03 <pabot> daBomb69: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
01:36:12 <daBomb69> lilg: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
01:36:37 <lilg> do i downloa?
01:36:51 <daBomb69> Yes
01:36:58 <Soike> you people have lotsa channels
01:37:05 <daBomb69> or, you could search the PA.com forums for a portable version
01:37:54 <daBomb69> And, what OS are you using?
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01:38:35 <lilg> widows XP
01:39:06 <daBomb69> ok. In order to make a portble program, you need to learn some NSIS
01:39:06 <lilg> i'v downloaded it now i install?
01:39:13 <lilg> ok
01:39:17 <lilg> how and where
01:39:42 <daBomb69> Yes, to whereever it's default location is
01:40:03 <lilg> it's?
01:40:20 <daBomb69> You've downloaded the installer, correct?
01:40:38 <lilg> yes
01:40:47 <daBomb69> ok, run it
01:40:51 <lilg> done
01:41:04 <daBomb69> ok, you've installed it?
01:41:08 <lilg> yes
01:42:55 <daBomb69> Next, is the hard part
01:43:05 <lilg> ok hit me
01:43:06 <daBomb69> What app do you want to make portable
01:43:16 <lilg> aim adn zune software
01:43:34 <daBomb69> And, you've already installed them both, right?
01:43:39 <lilg> yes
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01:44:56 <daBomb69> Ok then, well, first, you need to learn how PA.com makes it's launchers, open up Windows Notepad
01:45:14 <TimClark> daBomb69: before this goes on too much longer, it might be time to move to PM or -dev
01:45:19 <lilg> can it be notepad++?
01:45:28 <daBomb69> yes, that works too
01:45:33 <lilg> done
01:48:16 <lilg> ok
01:50:20 <lilg> uh now what
01:53:58 <lilg> hello?
01:54:56 <Roamer> daBomb69: Your support...
01:55:05 <Roamer> is needing help.
01:55:13 <daBomb69> TimClark told me to take it out of #portableapps
01:55:19 <Roamer> Ah
01:55:47 <JacobMastel> lilg: did you read this?:
01:55:50 <JacobMastel> .def adding_apps
01:55:50 <pabot> JacobMastel: adding_apps is supported by the Portableapps menu. Documentation on how to do so can be found at http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
01:56:50 <TimClark> daBomb69: i recommand PM or #portableapps-dev if he was going to go on very long
01:57:04 <TimClark> and thank you for that link JacobMastel
01:57:07 <daBomb69> I PM'ed, to no responce
01:57:38 <TimClark> lilg: did you get daBomb69 's PM [private message] ?
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01:58:45 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
01:59:01 <daBomb69> hello ChrisMorgan
01:59:22 <TimClark> first no roamer and then 2 in one day, :D , are you having a connection problem roamer?
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01:59:26 <ChrisMorgan> hello daBomb69
01:59:33 <daBomb69> How are you today?
01:59:38 <TimClark> HI ChrisMorgan
01:59:39 <Roamer> TimClark: ya...
01:59:40 <ChrisMorgan> fine
01:59:46 <daBomb69> thats good
01:59:57 <Roamer> anyway... I actually have to goes... laters!
02:00:07 <ChrisMorgan> I went away from Friday night till Monday night... and I'm hopelessly out of date! :o
02:00:11 <TimClark> Take Care Roamer
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02:00:47 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: Yes, releases all over the place, John has been busy
02:00:58 <ChrisMorgan> lilg: I recommend that you read the Guerilla Field Guide to making portable apps - it'll give you a much better overview. Read it at http://portableapps.com/node/14868
02:01:07 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, marvellous isn't it :-)
02:01:46 <TimClark> and yes, ChrisMorgan , thank you for that link, between that and JacobMastel I think it will help him lilg alot
02:02:01 <TimClark> JacobMastel: 's link *
02:02:36 <JacobMastel> I gotta go now....
02:02:41 <ChrisMorgan> Bye JacobMastel
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02:02:52 <TimClark> Take care jacob
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02:03:48 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau_ ... having nick trouble?
02:04:15 <ZachThibeau_> no ChrisMorgan interwebz problem
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02:04:26 <ChrisMorgan> interwebz?
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02:04:38 <ChrisMorgan> internet connection?
02:04:46 <ZachThibeau> yeah meaning wifi connection is bad tonight for me
02:04:54 <ChrisMorgan> ah k
02:11:20 <TimClark> I always liked "hardwire" myself, just seems more stable ZachThibeau
02:12:33 <ZachThibeau> TimClark: I like hardwire too but my parents doesn't like the cables being stretched from the router to my computers
02:13:11 <TimClark> gotcha
02:13:40 <ChrisMorgan> :-( I think JohnTHaller's right about what the RT's doing atm... within 5 weeks I should be in a position to test many though, I'm hoping.
02:14:03 <ChrisMorgan> At the moment though I'm busy with schoolwork...
02:14:15 <ChrisMorgan> Otherwise I'd have tested every DT there is to test... ;-)
02:14:26 <ChrisMorgan> Well, not the violent games, but anything else... ;-)
02:14:33 <TimClark> Priorities are important ChrisMorgan , school is a big one
02:14:45 <ChrisMorgan> That'd get us stuck down at 28.8Kbps for the rest of the month pretty quickly :P
02:14:50 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, I agree.
02:21:25 <TimClark> Well guys, got to go handle a few things, it's been an ...well....enlightening evening :O
02:21:36 <ChrisMorgan> Bye Tim
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02:29:18 <ChrisMorgan> Bye... g3g
02:29:20 <ChrisMorgan> :P
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03:01:19 <lilg> can anybody help me understan NSIS codes im trying to make a portable app
03:03:43 <Scriptdaemon> The easiest thing to do is start off by looking at another portableapp's code and work from there.
03:04:06 <lilg> i till dont know what to change
03:05:09 <Scriptdaemon> Well, try to understand what each thing inside the code does. Renaming the variables to fit your app should be easy to start, no?
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03:06:04 <lilg> fit my app ?im stupid
03:06:45 <Scriptdaemon> There are variables, like one for the name of the program you are trying to make portable, do you see where that when looking at the code of another app?
03:16:50 <lilg> iv renamed the stuff and changewd the version what do ido now
03:18:49 <Scriptdaemon> There should be a file named according to the program it's for. Look in that and try to find out where the settings related functions are, if you can.
03:19:05 <Scriptdaemon> Then based on that, make your own or copy and edit it.
03:23:04 <lilg> Help, I'm not sure HOW to get the registry stuffs to stay out of the host computer's Registry
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03:56:45 <pabot> JacobMastel is an ameture AHK coder. If you need/want a script ask him he might do it for ya ;)
03:57:03 <daBomb69> hello JacobMastel
03:57:09 <JacobMastel> hi daBomb69
03:57:22 <daBomb69> How are you todaY?
04:01:04 <JacobMastel> Good
04:01:05 <JacobMastel> Tired
04:01:23 <daBomb69> oh
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04:03:17 <alpha1beta> hello all
04:03:25 <JacobMastel> Hi Mike
04:03:28 <JacobMastel> How goes it?
04:03:29 <daBomb69> hello alpha1beta
04:03:37 <JacobMastel> Lost it yet?
04:03:40 <alpha1beta> yep
04:03:44 <alpha1beta> complelty :P
04:03:54 <alpha1beta> hey dabomb69 what's up
04:04:08 <alpha1beta> JacobMastel 7 day weekend! :P
04:04:15 <JacobMastel> :O
04:04:22 <JacobMastel> That's a lot of snow days...
04:04:28 <daBomb69> not much, you?
04:04:31 <JacobMastel> That means you gotta make them up in the summer though :P
04:04:38 <alpha1beta> nope!
04:04:46 <alpha1beta> nope, senior trip and teacher inservices
04:05:03 <alpha1beta> I'm not going on trip, so I get the week off
04:05:19 <daBomb69> lucky!
04:05:40 <alpha1beta> yep :P
04:06:11 <alpha1beta> ought to help my stablize my mentality
04:07:41 <alpha1beta> jacob, lot of snow days for you?
04:07:56 <JacobMastel> Nope
04:08:07 <JacobMastel> I just remembered you had snowdays a while back...
04:08:22 <alpha1beta> and I don't make those up either
04:08:37 <alpha1beta> I graduate before the rest of the kids finish school, so seniors don't make them up
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04:22:14 <alpha1beta> wow the room is dead today
04:23:09 <Havvy> Whole internet is.
04:23:36 <alpha1beta> yay the internet is dead! long live the interwebs!
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04:25:25 <alpha1beta> Wb Patrick
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04:33:41 <PatrickPatience> Hi.
04:35:00 <daBomb69> night ya'll
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04:36:21 <alpha1beta> so any word or how long ryan is grounded for, I get the feeling we won't see him for a long time
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04:38:46 <alpha1beta1> hey alpha1beta!
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04:38:59 <alpha1beta> hi and bye alpha1beta1
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04:43:09 <homexcid3> lol
04:44:08 <ZachThibeau> howdy alpha1beta
04:44:38 <alpha1beta> hey zach, how's it going?
04:45:53 * homexcid3 is tired of screwing around with CSS trying to get some freakin corners to work
04:50:20 <ZachThibeau> alpha1beta: not much :) just got my server running :P
04:54:39 <PatrickPatience> Man, Trent is amazing.
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05:00:02 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
05:00:10 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
05:00:40 <ChrisMorgan> howdy ZachThibeau
05:00:56 <ZachThibeau> I'm off to bed now
05:01:01 <ChrisMorgan> goodnight
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05:01:07 <ChrisMorgan> homexcid3: need any help?
05:01:22 <homexcid3> ChrisMorgan: its me, excid3 :P
05:01:34 <alpha1beta> oh dear...chris is here :P
05:01:47 <ChrisMorgan> I know, you were saying you were tired of screwing around with CSS...
05:01:55 <homexcid3> oh :P
05:02:04 <ChrisMorgan> If it's CSS3 corners, just the simple border-radius line...
05:02:17 <ChrisMorgan> If it's graphical background corners, they can be more troublesome.
05:02:19 <homexcid3> well, what all browsers support CSS3?
05:02:23 <ChrisMorgan> Still not too hard generally.
05:02:29 <homexcid3> right now im using a javascript borders thing
05:02:35 <alpha1beta> FF3 safari 4..idk what else
05:02:41 <homexcid3> its called, nifty cube
05:03:10 <ChrisMorgan> Rather, which browsers support border-radius. FF, Safari, (other WebKit based browsers), just about everything except IE.
05:03:32 <homexcid3> yeah, this is gonna need to be IE compat for sure
05:03:37 <alpha1beta> cause Ie sucks
05:03:37 <ChrisMorgan> I've used the Nifty Cubes ones before, don't like them particularly much, but for most they work fine.
05:03:42 <homexcid3> this nifty cube thing is working pretty well so far
05:04:08 <homexcid3> ive never dabbled with CSS before so this is new territory for me
05:04:09 <Havvy> If only IE finally got around to developing it, the styles of the internet would be developing a lot quicker.
05:04:17 <ChrisMorgan> For me it was just not liking it because of its technique and the fact that it breaks smooth scrolling in Firefox bigtime.
05:04:43 <homexcid3> what do you recommend ChrisMorgan?
05:04:45 <ChrisMorgan> Havvy: ... so it's just as well IE stays behind ...
05:04:58 <ChrisMorgan> homexcid3: oh, probably the nifty corners thing
05:05:13 <homexcid3> hehe
05:05:15 <Havvy> Heck, they'd save millions of dollars (for every other company) due to not having people try to figure out how to learn rounded corners in IE
05:05:51 <homexcid3> its kind of odd watching the corners being applied
05:06:04 <ChrisMorgan> homexcid3: is your computer that old?
05:06:23 <homexcid3> no, but i am on dialup :P
05:06:40 <ChrisMorgan> That shouldn't change anything: it won't start until it's all loaded.
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05:07:44 <homexcid3> well, it loads everything as rectangles then applies the rounded corners
05:08:50 <ChrisMorgan> Hey, Chris Little finally committed something useful to the BibleCS SVN repository... comment 'added commandline option "--noreg" to prevent writing private protocol stuff to registry (look, magically we have a PortableApps edition--that was difficult)' - Jon's comment is 'I would not be surprised if this doesn't make it "portable" in a Portable Apps sense. Never mind.'
05:08:53 <ChrisMorgan> I think I agree.
05:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> Nevertheless, it's a good start...
05:11:04 <homexcid3> lol
05:11:12 <ChrisMorgan> ah ha! I find a few more command line arguments for Code::Blocks which are not documented!
05:12:16 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... should Code::Blocks Portable not allow the DDE server to run?
05:12:23 <ChrisMorgan> Or the IPC server (whatever that does)?
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05:13:21 <homexcid3> i dont know what either of those are
05:13:30 <homexcid3> i havent used codeblocks in such a long time
05:13:41 <homexcid3> I'm not much of an IDE fan
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05:25:16 <homexcid3> ChrisMorgan: do you remember if the "same-height" option in nifty cube only applies to lists?
05:25:31 <ChrisMorgan> lists?
05:25:32 <homexcid3> it makes sense if that is the only way to do it
05:25:33 <ChrisMorgan> it's divs
05:25:51 <ChrisMorgan> Or any other block element, but DIVs is the usual
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05:25:58 <pabot> dragonmage is a skinner, who mostly just ports other's skins to different apps. Beta tester, Feature Suggester, and pretty much an idea man.
05:26:28 <homexcid3> well, no i was looking at the same-height columns
05:26:38 <homexcid3> the examle uses an unordered list for each column
05:26:46 <homexcid3> i think that is the only way to have it make them the same height
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05:27:22 * dragonmage has news
05:28:33 <dragonmage> I just made a Rainmeter config to act as a Start button for opening PAM
05:29:28 <ChrisMorgan> um, what am I meant to say? :P
05:30:01 <dragonmage> has hover and pressed state, and can even play a sound
05:30:13 <ChrisMorgan> um, what am I meant to say? :P
05:30:35 <dragonmage> um, what am I meant to say? :P
05:30:48 <dragonmage> Hi everyone
05:30:53 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, "um, what am I meant to say? :P"
05:30:59 <ChrisMorgan> Hi dragonmage
05:32:44 <dragonmage> I'm just not sure I want to tell leogx, that with Rainmeter in 15 minutes I made what he has actually been trying to code as an app for weeks
05:33:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I suggest that you tell him that with Rainmeter in 15 minutes you made what he has actually been trying to code as an app for weeks.
05:33:26 <ChrisMorgan> :P
05:33:31 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll stop now :P
05:33:39 <dragonmage> plus bypassed the problems he's been having and added a sound on click
05:34:12 <alpha1beta> god we need more ops, to kick some of the existing ops...
05:34:32 <dragonmage> SuperOps?
05:34:47 <dragonmage> RoboOps?
05:34:50 <alpha1beta> or just someone to kick chris
05:34:54 <alpha1beta> :P
05:35:06 <dragonmage> TheWizardofOps?
05:35:28 <alpha1beta> sthu
05:36:05 <dragonmage> was that really needed?
05:36:21 <dragonmage> I had already run out of ideas
05:36:23 <alpha1beta> borderline yes
05:36:39 <alpha1beta> I didn't say st*u now did I
05:37:04 <dragonmage> except for maybe OpzyOpzbourne
05:37:50 <homexcid3> UberOps
05:37:58 <ChrisMorgan> alpha1beta, please keep your language clean
05:38:04 <dragonmage> that's the spirit
05:38:09 <alpha1beta> I didn't say anything chris
05:38:12 <homexcid3> lol @ OpzyOpzbourne...
05:38:23 <homexcid3> watch your abbreviations
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05:38:47 <dragonmage> The Prince of Freakin Darkness Ops right?
05:38:53 <homexcid3> just use blanks (_____ you!)
05:39:04 <ChrisMorgan> Or just be quiet...
05:39:07 <homexcid3> which really means, hey you!
05:39:25 <homexcid3> of course ChrisMorgan chooses the logical, non lulzy way.
05:39:27 <homexcid3> :)
05:39:34 <alpha1beta> omg it little F is such a big issue, well F this then
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05:39:58 <homexcid3> lol
05:39:59 <dragonmage> bye
05:40:11 <ChrisMorgan> insert wry look.
05:40:18 <ChrisMorgan> That wasn't it at all.
05:40:23 * dragonmage shrugs
05:40:24 <homexcid3> why do i get the feeling he will be back fairly soon
05:40:50 <ChrisMorgan> I dunno. He may, he may not. If I didn't know him better, I'd think he'd be reading the logs online :P
05:41:12 <homexcid3> alpha1beta is a n00b!
05:41:19 <homexcid3> yeah, i hope hes reading the logs
05:41:19 <homexcid3> :D
05:42:22 <homexcid3> this site isnt turning out too bad with nifty cube
05:42:24 <dragonmage> all this over a little word game...
05:43:33 <dragonmage> I thought thewizardofops was pretty good to btw
05:43:37 <ChrisMorgan> Nifty Corners Cube is quite good. It's just it wasn't what I was wanting when I looked at it. If I were doing something more now, I might well use it.
05:44:21 <homexcid3> yeah, i like it a lot, except for the fact that it requires javascript, id rather not use images though so this works out pretty nicely
05:46:02 <ChrisMorgan> It also has the benefit in many cases of column equalising. Though with images you'd normally just use a table and get the same result.
05:46:37 <homexcid3> yeah
05:46:50 <homexcid3> well, im pissed off enough at this dialup
05:46:58 <homexcid3> time to go find something better to do...
05:47:03 <homexcid3> like watch The Office!
05:47:34 <dragonmage> my mouse needs to be cleaned
05:48:20 <dragonmage> too bad I never think about it when the computer is off
05:48:21 <ChrisMorgan> Lucky you.
05:48:33 <ChrisMorgan> Why does the computer need to be off to clean the mouse?
05:48:42 <homexcid3> you could just unplug it
05:49:14 <dragonmage> doesn't have to be, but I always accidentally click stuff
05:49:16 <ChrisMorgan> or just clean it plugged in.
05:49:30 * ChrisMorgan reckons that http://www.html.it/articoli/niftycube/nifty4.html looks pretty nice
05:49:32 <dragonmage> ps/2 mouse
05:49:48 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, so?
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05:50:15 <ChrisMorgan> PS/2 mice work if you take 'em out and put 'em back in, just so long as they're in at boot up time
05:50:32 <dragonmage> really?
05:51:04 <homexcid3> yessir
05:51:11 <dragonmage> if it wasn't such a pain to get to I'd try it now
05:51:14 <homexcid3> ChrisMorgan: yeah im using that for the site
05:51:30 <homexcid3> and i also really liked...the one with the 5 different colored blocks
05:52:12 <ChrisMorgan> dragonmage: or go to the device manager, disable the mouse, clean it, and reenable it :-)
05:52:39 <dragonmage> ahh, good call
05:53:03 <ChrisMorgan> Should work, though I haven't tried it
05:53:14 <ChrisMorgan> So long as you also don't disable the keyboard :P
05:53:23 <ChrisMorgan> Then you'd need another kbd to get it going again...
05:54:01 <dragonmage> I have a couple in the closet I think
05:54:12 <ChrisMorgan> Most people seem to...
05:54:40 <dragonmage> along with some old computers...
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05:56:17 <dragonmage> turns out microsoft doesn't think I should disable the mouse
05:56:38 <ChrisMorgan> No?
05:56:53 <ChrisMorgan> Does it say "hey you can't do that, how will you turn it back on" or something like that?
05:57:38 <dragonmage> no it just greys out the dropdown where you select disable
05:58:40 <ChrisMorgan> Reahlee?
06:01:54 <dragonmage> yes really
06:02:52 <dragonmage> so, I just cleaned the mouse anyways
06:03:17 <dragonmage> turns out there was a mouse living in there
06:08:39 <ChrisMorgan> Really? How surprising.
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06:28:16 <pabot> TimClark thinks "We are one but we are many | And from all the lands on earth we come | We share a dream and sing with one voice | I am | You are | We are PAppsian " :)
06:30:20 <ChrisMorgan> Hey rmccue, TimClark :-)
06:30:29 <ChrisMorgan> Welcome aboard :-)
06:31:00 <TimClark> Hello ChrisMorgan
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06:32:54 <pabot> markomlm is the developer of the PortableApps.com Updater; OpenOffice.org Portable and the head of the German translation team
06:35:04 <TimClark> It looks like both of you are here, so i think i will just disappear ChrisMorgan , rmccue can deal with the "kids" and you can deal with rmccue :P
06:35:18 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I'm somewhat here
06:35:29 <ChrisMorgan> Hey markomlm
06:36:04 <rmccue> Join the Callipygous Club!
06:36:25 <TimClark> Hello markomlm , how are things things on the german front
06:36:46 <markomlm> hey ChrisMorgen, TimClark
06:38:13 <markomlm> TimClark: I don't like words like front and war :-( ... but PortableApps.com Manager is nearly complete now ;-)
06:39:07 <TimClark> did i say war ?
06:41:05 <TimClark> and sorry if front was offensive, i meant the german side of things :(
06:43:53 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com Manager?
06:44:46 <ChrisMorgan> An app manager, inc. updater, app selector/downloader, etc.?
06:44:55 <ChrisMorgan> Not NSIS I hope?
06:47:08 <ChrisMorgan> markomlm?
06:49:52 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: you have not heard of the portableapps updater ?
06:50:16 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, but this is the PortableApps.com *Manager*, and so I'm asking what that is, I'm guessing it's a continuation.
06:50:34 <ChrisMorgan> 'Cos really, the Updater written in NSIS is just fatally flawed.
06:50:44 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS is just not adequate as it's been used.
06:52:19 <MaienM|Sleep> NSIS is adequate as a installer/launcher, but not really that adequate to write programs in
06:52:56 <ChrisMorgan> Well, not for the updater anyhow. Far too much hardcoding is necessary, making it not at all futureproof.
06:53:45 <MaienM|Sleep> I personally never really liked NSIS that much
06:53:54 <TimClark> Well, no matter what you think of it, I think that is what he is referring to, the Portableapps updater that is
06:54:27 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/node/16779
06:55:30 <TimClark> last updated March 4, 2009 - 7:09am
06:58:31 <TimClark> correction: last updated March 9, 2009 - 1:10am
07:03:36 <ChrisMorgan> Well I don't think that it is, as the PortableApps.com Updater is as "complete" as it can be while it's NSIS, and I vaguely remember something about a PortableApps.com Manager... can't recall any details. markomlm! Enlighten us please!
07:04:05 <markomlm> Sorry I was was afk. And yes P-A-M is formerly known as PortableApps.com Updater. Its still NSIS yes, but ...
07:04:28 <ChrisMorgan> Still NSIS? :-(
07:04:50 <ChrisMorgan> I am of the opinion that it cannot be as good as it should be while it's NSIS. Too many inbuilt limitations in NSIS.
07:05:06 <ChrisMorgan> e.g. sections hardcoded, section sizes hardcoded
07:05:34 <markomlm> ... works now with local files instead hardcoded language strings, is able to detect all pafed stuff and delet em, is able to use different repositories
07:05:51 <ChrisMorgan> You could sort of get around some by using an InstallOptions page for some of it, but I think that Delphi or C++/wx would be better.
07:06:16 <markomlm> full support for all wget option over .wget
07:06:23 <markomlm> Sure.
07:06:51 <markomlm> Will be in future. But Delphi and C++ has also limitation
07:07:01 <markomlm> not in coding but in license
07:07:10 <ChrisMorgan> I've been wondering, why do you use wget rather than just the NSIS download plugin thing?
07:07:24 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean, not in coding but in license?
07:07:33 <markomlm> The download plugin is used by default
07:07:34 <ChrisMorgan> And what limitations would those be?
07:07:51 <ChrisMorgan> Is it? I haven't looked at the code for a while. So why do you put wget in at all?
07:07:53 <markomlm> one question after the other ok?
07:07:57 <ChrisMorgan> :P
07:08:20 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon that it should be done in Delphi and integrated with the platform.
07:09:00 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... 3 questions outstanding :P
07:09:05 <ChrisMorgan> And a comment :P
07:09:43 <markomlm> first, the P-A-M uses inetc plugin as default. For advanced usage (proxy authentification and so on) he is able to use an installed winwget portable :-9
07:09:49 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: "error assumed" - you're nice :-)
07:10:03 <ChrisMorgan> ok, so does it no longer include wget in App\wget?
07:10:09 <ChrisMorgan> And App?
07:10:23 <markomlm> Some libraries in Delphi an C## are not GPL compatible :-(
07:10:42 <ChrisMorgan> But you don't need to use those ones, others will suffice perfectly well.
07:10:50 <ChrisMorgan> bbl, tea time.
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07:11:13 <markomlm> So You have to code some things by Your self or find substitutes and this takes time :-(
07:12:45 <TimClark> hate when folks do that :(
07:13:05 <dragonmage> I don't think he needs more caffiene...
07:13:26 <TimClark> it's like folks who leave in the middle of support :(
07:14:39 <TimClark> oh, I can't deal with this anymore, I have to do to the store, bbl :(
07:14:58 <markomlm> LoL but I need some ...
07:15:05 <markomlm> I'll be back!
07:15:07 <markomlm> ;-)
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07:15:27 <TimClark> yeah, but you not in the middle of a convo markomlm :P
07:16:00 <TimClark> and you always need more caffeine :O
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07:18:21 * TimClark hates upnPAD at the moment :(
07:19:12 <TimClark> I had to search the logs for XChat and upnPAD 's .def kept coming up :P
07:19:43 <upnPAD> ;D
07:19:53 <TimClark> It took FOREVER ! :P
07:23:26 <MaienM|Sleep> hmm, time for a new .def
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07:44:09 <ChrisMorgan> .tell TimClark I didn't really have much choice about it... when it's meal time, you go.
07:44:09 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I'll pass that on when I next see TimClark.
07:45:06 <ChrisMorgan> markomlm: I really can't think what you'd need that you couldn't easily get with C++/wx or Delphi code.
07:45:25 <MaienM> I just hate it when parents call me for food while I'm in the middle of something :(
07:45:32 <MaienM> which I always am xD
07:54:47 <ChrisMorgan> :P
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08:49:55 <markomlm> ChrisMorgan:try to code the upadte in Delphi or c## and You'll see what I mean ;-). Code it and I'll be happy to drop the nsis version. Untill today there was no one with a working updater. Only partial work or ideas or offers "I could, ... better will be..., Perhaps You should" :-) Don' talk about it, just DO IT ;-)
09:13:15 <ChrisMorgan> No one with a working updater?
09:13:23 <ChrisMorgan> Other than you, I presume.
09:13:40 <ChrisMorgan> I'd enjoy rewriting it properly, but I'm too busy with other stuff, so ftm that's off.
09:13:55 <MaienM> I might take a shot at it, if thats okay with you
09:14:04 <ChrisMorgan> PAFChecker is currently my main PA.c project other than some apps
09:14:10 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: what would you do it in?
09:14:14 <MaienM> C++
09:14:19 <ChrisMorgan> C++/wxWidgets?
09:14:23 <MaienM> yes
09:14:25 <ChrisMorgan> ok, sounds good :-)
09:14:35 <ChrisMorgan> You have half an hour *click*
09:15:05 <MaienM> hmm, better get started on it then
09:15:21 <ChrisMorgan> :D
09:21:00 <MaienM> what, my app is not in the updater? :O blashphemy!!! :P
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09:24:18 <silenTDev79> hallo
09:24:32 <silenTDev79> I downloaded the latest portableapps.com suite
09:25:12 <silenTDev79> now I need to know how-to update from release 1.1 to 1.5
09:25:45 <silenTDev79> anyone can help meù?
09:28:31 <ChrisMorgan> hello silenTDev79
09:28:59 <ChrisMorgan> All you need to do is run the Platform 1.5 installer. It'll do everything else.
09:29:17 <silenTDev79> ok
09:29:24 <silenTDev79> but my firefox addons?
09:29:35 <silenTDev79> my keepass database and plugins?
09:29:42 <silenTDev79> my documents?
09:29:49 <MaienM> all your settings should be fine
09:29:53 <ChrisMorgan> They'll be fine. If you're really not certaain then you can back it all up, but it won't destroy anything.
09:30:15 <ChrisMorgan> It installs over the top, removing the old platform and apps (but leaving the data) and then putting the new versions in.
09:31:10 <silenTDev79> you're sure?
09:31:15 <silenTDev79> absolutely sure?
09:31:38 <ChrisMorgan> I have faith in John :-)
09:31:53 <MaienM> if you don't trust it, make a backup to be sure
09:31:59 <ChrisMorgan> It'll be fine. If you're not confident, you may wish to back it all up before you install it.
09:32:09 <MaienM> but I've never heard any complaints about lost data.
09:32:33 <ChrisMorgan> No, nor I, and that'd be a pretty big issue. With our size userbase, you'd hear about it within an hour of release...
09:33:14 <MaienM> and from that moment on, once every 10 minutes..... a horrifying thought, to say the least :P
09:35:44 <ChrisMorgan> Very much so. So John makes sure that such doesn't happen.
09:38:27 <silenTDev79> thanks for all
09:38:27 <silenTDev79> I trust you
09:38:31 <silenTDev79> bye bye
09:38:47 <ChrisMorgan> bye silenTDev79!
09:39:44 <MaienM> ChrisMorgan: damn, I've run out of time, haven't I? :(
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09:48:38 <ChrisMorgan> Yup, looks like you have. Where's your code?
09:49:09 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh* You need to learn to work to deadlines and all that guff they tell you at school...
09:49:28 <MaienM> lol
09:49:55 <MaienM> I think as far as the computer part at school is concerned, I'll be fine :P
09:50:25 <MaienM> since I just got a 11 (out of 10) back for a examn :P
09:51:00 <ChrisMorgan> huh?
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13:14:23 <DaveDixonII> Should i bug you now or do you want me to wait?
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15:20:58 <DaveDixonII> KevinPorter: PM
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15:25:16 <pa_3588> help! Is there a way to create folder in PortableApps Application Menu?
15:26:00 <KevinPorter> Not at this time.
15:26:07 <KevinPorter> We might add that feature in the future though. :)
15:26:24 <pa_3588> Thanks for confirming KevinPorter!
15:26:39 <KevinPorter> You're very welcome.
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15:28:29 <ZachThibeau> KevinPorter: I think he meant categories :P
15:28:37 <onestoploser> http://lifehacker.com/5167293/portableappscom-suite-15-improves-menu-looks-customization
15:31:14 <KevinPorter> ZachThibeau: Meh.
15:32:45 <KevinPorter> Second commenter on that story must be a tad loopy.
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16:13:23 <leftyfb> congrats on the new release and lifehacker article
16:20:02 <ZachThibeau> thanks leftyfb
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16:22:53 <JohnTHaller> hola
16:23:39 <leftyfb> JohnTHaller: congrats on the new release and lifehacker article
16:25:45 <JohnTHaller> thanks
16:26:39 <JohnTHaller> Has anybody here been able to recreate this issue: http://portableapps.com/node/18418
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16:35:50 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: I've heard about that before I think, if I remember correctly it was because the user has two instances of the menu open (one older version)
16:37:20 <MaienM> ehm, see that not the issue, my bad
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19:51:37 <pa_2829> how
19:51:41 <sar3th> the mehthod is still beeing developed by John
19:51:58 <pa_2829> is there a beta?
19:52:06 <Bensawsome> oh
19:52:08 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/node/13770
19:52:23 <anc96> hi john
19:52:31 <SergentSiler> there are also other methods that take advantage of a program called u3, but it only works on drives that have this program pre installed
19:54:29 <pa_2829> so ow oes u3 do it hn?
19:54:34 <pa_2829> then*
19:54:36 <anc96> anyone have a 16GB+ memory pen?
19:55:00 <Bensawsome> pa_2829: its a hardware thing
19:55:06 <SergentSiler> pa_2829, there is a low level hack that you can do that makes u3 autostart the menu, but it requires special hardware
19:55:12 <SergentSiler> and u3 preinstalled
19:55:20 <SergentSiler> otherwise it will not work
19:55:24 <Bensawsome> it requires a U3 drive.
19:55:30 <SergentSiler> yep
19:56:08 <anc96> What are the best portable games?
19:56:11 <Bensawsome> what it does is the U3 drives have the USB drive partition and a fake CD partition. the CD autoruns their menu.
19:56:46 <SergentSiler> we take advantage of their menu that allows autoruning, insert the portableapps menu into the autorun line up and voila
19:56:46 <pa_2829> is that legal and can u do it for this?
19:57:05 <Bensawsome> if you have a u3 drive
19:57:05 <SergentSiler> im not sure if it is legal
19:57:05 <daBomb69> anc96: LBreakout2 Portable
19:57:22 <anc96> daBomb69: I didn't like that
19:57:27 <anc96> deleted it :(
19:57:36 <SergentSiler> anc96, minesperfict portable
19:57:38 <anc96> i like them sorta games
19:57:38 <sar3th> anc96, me2
19:57:41 <daBomb69> Frets on Fire Portable
19:57:42 <pa_2829> any other way
19:57:52 <SilentWalker> numpty physics....love but its still a beta
19:57:54 <Bensawsome> pa_2829: not without a u3 drive
19:58:02 <pa_2829> k thx
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19:58:49 <SilentWalker> anc96: http://portableapps.com/node/16490
19:59:08 <daBomb69> Hello pa_8796
19:59:44 <pa_8796> is tere apogram to make he program (manager) open up automatically?
19:59:46 <anc96> SilentWalker: download now
19:59:51 <pa_8796> There*
19:59:59 <pa_8796> the*
20:00:28 <Bensawsome> pa_8796: you mean the menu?
20:00:46 <anc96> I think I found a bug
20:01:05 <SilentWalker> Bensawsome: i think he means task manager
20:01:06 <daBomb69> pa_8796: Not without a U3 drive
20:01:07 <Bensawsome> anc96: tell us plz :O
20:01:35 <anc96> When you install an app (its happened with all the ones I have installed) when it is Refreshing the PA menu, it doesnt finsih
20:01:37 <pa_8796> really that sucks
20:01:49 <anc96> you have to CTRL ALT DEL and end process
20:01:54 <daBomb69> anc96: Which app did u try to install?
20:02:14 <Bensawsome> pa_8796: also you just asked the question :/ just because you come in again doesnt mean we are ghonna give you a different answer :/
20:02:28 <anc96> they install fine and appear on the menu, but the installer wont end
20:02:34 * daBomb69 has noticed that bug 2 with certain apps
20:02:42 <Bensawsome> anc96: do you have any other menu?
20:02:46 <Bensawsome> installed on ur drive?
20:02:51 <Bensawsome> like a mod?
20:02:53 <anc96> no
20:02:56 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: he's right
20:02:57 <Bensawsome> hmmm
20:03:00 <anc96> Kompozer, Notepad
20:03:05 <Gizmokid2005> I had it happen with all my apps I updated the other day from JohnTHaller
20:03:08 <anc96> notepad++ i mean
20:03:09 <Bensawsome> ya
20:03:11 <Bensawsome> i did too
20:03:23 <anc96> what can i do?
20:03:29 <Bensawsome> JohnTHaller told me it was because of the menu mod i had on my drive :/
20:03:42 <Gizmokid2005> I have no menu mods, just the menu.
20:03:44 <SilentWalker> no...you have to wait for the process to terminate....its copying and saving the settings on your drive.......it will disappear from the process list after a while
20:03:45 <Bensawsome> anc96: does it say "refreshing portableaps.com platform"
20:03:48 <anc96> i dont have any mods
20:03:51 <anc96> no
20:03:58 <daBomb69> Well, I've tried this with mods, with out mods, etc. it still hangs
20:04:05 <Bensawsome> wierd....
20:04:05 <anc96> it says something like refreshing portable apps menu
20:04:11 <Bensawsome> :D
20:04:15 <Bensawsome> thats what i mean
20:04:18 <Bensawsome> i got the same thing
20:04:22 * daBomb69 did 2
20:04:23 <Bensawsome> so its not the mods i have installed
20:04:40 <JohnTHaller> Ok, we've had a few reports of this, so lets try and nail this diwbn
20:04:42 <JohnTHaller> down
20:04:45 <anc96> ok
20:04:56 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: fire away
20:04:57 <daBomb69> Yay
20:04:57 <JohnTHaller> No matter what I do, I can't recreate the issue, so please bare with me.
20:05:13 <daBomb69> Should we do a screenshot of it?
20:05:14 <Gizmokid2005> one question though JohnTHaller, and it might be the issue
20:05:16 <JohnTHaller> Where is your copy of the PortableApps.com Platform installed to?
20:05:25 <anc96> My pen drive
20:05:26 <JohnTHaller> screenshot will not help
20:05:30 <anc96> ok
20:05:30 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: what
20:05:38 <anc96> i need an app to install :D
20:05:54 <SilentWalker> do bonkenc
20:05:54 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I am willing to bet that most of us didnt' remove the previous install of the menu, so, I know for me, I have a PortableApps.com folder and a PortableAppsMenu folder...
20:05:58 <Gizmokid2005> maybe it's dying on that?
20:06:11 <anc96> this is my first version of AP
20:06:12 <JohnTHaller> No, I mean what path. Normally it is installed to the root directory of your portable device. like X:\. and that is where StartPortableApps.exe is
20:06:12 <anc96> PA
20:06:15 <daBomb69> X:\PortableApps\Portableapps.com
20:06:28 <anc96> it is installed to the root of my drive
20:06:32 <Bensawsome> Gizmokid2005: anc96 said he didnt have any mods or anything though and his hanged :/
20:06:44 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: those weren't mods, just the OLD version of the menu
20:06:48 <anc96> could it be the fact that i have another folder in the root?
20:06:52 <JohnTHaller> STOP THE NOISE PLEASE
20:06:54 * daBomb69 did remove the old menu, still hangs
20:06:57 <JohnTHaller> NOW!
20:07:03 <anc96> noise?
20:07:16 <Gizmokid2005> IE - shut up. PLEASE.
20:07:31 <JohnTHaller> the continuous I did this then that. we're trying to work thruogh a series of steps and possibilities. and having others chattering doesn't help
20:07:37 <JohnTHaller> anc96: not you
20:07:43 <anc96> oh, ok
20:07:51 <anc96> i am gonna install an app and take a screenie
20:07:56 <JohnTHaller> anc96: Ok, next, close your copy of the PortableApps.com Platform and make sure no copies are running
20:08:02 <JohnTHaller> screenshots will NOT help
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20:08:10 <anc96> oh, ok
20:08:14 <JohnTHaller> Please run through these steps one at a time
20:08:24 <anc96> exited AP
20:08:25 <anc96> PA
20:08:28 <JohnTHaller> Close all your portable apps and close the PortableApps.com Platform
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20:08:32 <pabot> TimClark thinks "We are one but we are many | And from all the lands on earth we come | We share a dream and sing with one voice | I am | You are | We are PAppsian " :)
20:08:34 <anc96> have done
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20:08:39 <JohnTHaller> except Firefoxp Portable if that's what you're using to communicate
20:08:51 <anc96> i am using FF installed on my pc
20:09:20 <JohnTHaller> Ok, bring up task manger (right-click on your windows start bar to get it) and be sure you see no copies of PortableAppsPlatform.exe
20:09:44 <anc96> none :D
20:10:16 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Browse to X:\PortableApps on your portable device and ensure in there you have a PortableApps.com directory and no PortableAppsMenu directory
20:11:01 <anc96> i have a PortableApps.com directory and not a PortableAppsMenu directory
20:11:13 <JohnTHaller> Ok
20:11:30 <JohnTHaller> Run StartPortableApps.exe within the root directory of your drive and start the menu
20:12:01 <anc96> opened :D
20:12:16 <JohnTHaller> Ok, check task manager again and be sure only one copy of the platform is running
20:12:32 <JohnTHaller> PortableAppsPlatform.exe
20:12:50 <anc96> yep
20:12:52 <anc96> only one
20:13:21 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Do you have 7-Zip Portable installed?
20:13:32 <anc96> no, should I?
20:13:55 <JohnTHaller> Nope. But it's tiny (1mb download) and has the latest installer to be sure.
20:13:56 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/7-zip_portable
20:14:10 <anc96> I'll install it then :)
20:14:19 <JohnTHaller> Ok, where are you downloading the installer to/
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20:14:51 <JohnTHaller> :-(
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20:15:00 <anc96> my desktop
20:15:07 <anc96> sorry, clicked i link by accident
20:15:11 <JohnTHaller> Ok, download it and run it.
20:15:21 <JohnTHaller> ANd let me know the path is gives by default in the installer
20:15:27 <anc96> run it or install it from inside the PA?
20:15:34 <JohnTHaller> run it directly
20:15:37 <anc96> ok
20:16:00 <anc96> G:\PortableApps\7-ZipPortable
20:16:09 <JohnTHaller> Good it found it. Ok, continue on..
20:16:27 <anc96> installing on my G drive
20:16:32 <anc96> nice blue light flashing :)
20:16:36 <JohnTHaller> heh
20:16:43 <anc96> and it's stuck
20:16:51 <JohnTHaller> On Refreshing Menu
20:16:54 <anc96> not frozen, it just can't see to do it
20:16:56 <anc96> yes
20:17:05 <JohnTHaller> Ok, can you access the PortableApps.com Platform/
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20:17:22 <anc96> yes, and as always, its there
20:17:24 <JohnTHaller> bring up the menu, click help about. stuff like that
20:17:32 <anc96> ok
20:17:54 <anc96> I just terminated the installer as i usuallly do
20:17:58 <JohnTHaller> no no
20:18:02 <anc96> crap
20:18:04 <JohnTHaller> I didn't want you to do that yet
20:18:04 <anc96> sorry
20:18:09 <anc96> one sec
20:18:13 <anc96> i will uninstall it
20:18:52 <JohnTHaller> alright. close it all. uninstall 7zip and start again. same set of steps
20:18:56 <anc96> there we go
20:18:57 <anc96> will do
20:19:07 <anc96> do i have PA open at the same time?
20:19:14 <JohnTHaller> yes, pa menu should be open
20:19:19 <anc96> ok
20:19:21 <JohnTHaller> running, that is
20:19:28 <anc96> yeh
20:19:56 <JohnTHaller> when it gets stuck aghain, be sure the menu still works. like you can bring it up. click on help about and get the about window, basically
20:19:58 <anc96> there we go, back to the bit where i was
20:20:05 <JohnTHaller> but don't kill the installer
20:20:10 <anc96> ok
20:20:15 <anc96> i can get to the about section
20:20:26 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so the message isn't getting received by the platform
20:20:34 <JohnTHaller> (if it was, it would have frozen the menu)
20:20:38 <anc96> ok
20:20:46 <anc96> well, it does appear in the platform
20:20:50 <anc96> and i could open it if u want me to
20:20:54 <JohnTHaller> Wait, it appeared?
20:21:14 <anc96> yes, it always does, its just the installer stops when it is refreshing the menu
20:21:34 <JohnTHaller> that's what that means, though. if it appears, then the installer DID refresh the menu
20:22:03 <anc96> but it isnt closeable
20:22:13 <anc96> it has to be terminated
20:22:28 <JohnTHaller> yeah, i know... which is weire
20:22:40 <JohnTHaller> Ok, some details on your system..
20:22:51 <SergentSiler> JohnTHaller, im doing a manual install right now, one of the installers finished refreshing the menu and then the menu went all funkey after it was frozen
20:22:54 <anc96> ok, feel free to laugh:
20:22:55 <JohnTHaller> what OS and what service pack level. what antivirus are you running. what firewall are you running.
20:23:08 <anc96> Windows XP SP3
20:23:11 <JohnTHaller> SergentSiler: STOP, I'm working with one set
20:23:29 <anc96> Anti virus, firewall: I'm pretty sure I have none running
20:23:40 <anc96> i know - noobish :D
20:23:47 <JohnTHaller> Not even Antivir or AVG. Or the built in Windows Defender?
20:23:58 <anc96> i MIGHT have windows firewall
20:24:00 <anc96> will check
20:24:25 <anc96> windows firewall is also off :D
20:25:09 <anc96> and I download stuff all the time
20:25:16 <anc96> but never seem to come across any viruses
20:25:48 <anc96> next step?
20:26:09 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... what else is running on your PC atm. Posting a screenshot of task manager would be fine
20:26:31 <anc96> which tab? apps? process?
20:26:47 <JohnTHaller> processes
20:27:17 <anc96> I cant fit it all in one screenie
20:27:46 <JohnTHaller> 2 then
20:28:12 <anc96> ok
20:30:00 <anc96> i put them in order, most memory consuming at the top
20:30:30 <anc96> JohnTHaller: http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8525/32312702.png
20:30:51 <anc96> click it for a new windows
20:30:54 <anc96> window
20:31:00 <anc96> brb
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20:31:44 <anc96> back
20:32:08 <anc96> JohnTHaller: u get the pic?
20:33:03 <JohnTHaller> Ok. What else is running on your system. Can you close all nonessentials and then close anything else running in systray?
20:33:19 <anc96> exited autobahn
20:33:30 <anc96> will terminate vnc server now
20:33:53 <anc96> there we go
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20:34:29 <JohnTHaller> anything else running?
20:34:33 <anc96> all i have open now really is firefox and the 'frozen' installer
20:34:42 <JohnTHaller> kill off the installer
20:34:56 <JohnTHaller> delete the 7-zip portable install and click options - refresh app icons in the PA menu
20:35:14 <anc96> terminate the installer?
20:35:51 <JohnTHaller> yea
20:36:04 <anc96> app icons refreshed
20:36:26 <anc96> froze for a sec but back now
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20:37:01 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is liking his new desktop: http://tinyurl.com/dz2xmb
20:37:17 <JohnTHaller> ok, try installing 7-Zip portable again just in case oner of those other apps was messing it up
20:37:33 <anc96> ok
20:37:42 <anc96> ill uninstall it first :D
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20:37:50 <anc96> so that means i will need to exit PA
20:38:02 <JohnTHaller> no,7-zuip is gone right?
20:38:15 <JohnTHaller> you can delete apps with the menu running
20:38:19 <anc96> oh
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20:38:26 <anc96> i will reopen it them
20:38:29 <anc96> then
20:38:43 <anc96> should i install from menu or directly?
20:39:05 <JohnTHaller> directly again
20:39:09 <anc96> ok
20:39:10 <JohnTHaller> just to see fi it still freezes
20:39:49 <anc96> k
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20:40:33 <anc96> yep
20:40:35 <anc96> frooze
20:40:57 <anc96> same palce
20:40:59 <anc96> place
20:41:00 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Thanks. I think I have enough infor on it.
20:41:04 <anc96> trying to refresh the menu
20:41:05 <JohnTHaller> Still refreshed in the menu right?
20:41:06 <anc96> ok
20:41:20 <JohnTHaller> no, i mean without clicking options - refresh, did the menu auto refresh
20:41:27 <anc96> yes
20:41:31 <anc96> the installer refreshed it
20:41:36 <anc96> as the 7zip icon is there
20:41:58 <JohnTHaller> yeah. Ok. something else on your system is holding it up, just not sure what. So I'll disable this in the 1.5.1 build to avoid these issues and approach it differently in the PA installer
20:42:13 <anc96> ok
20:42:20 <anc96> any idea when it will be released?
20:42:51 <JohnTHaller> tonoght or tomorrow am
20:42:58 <anc96> ok
20:43:12 <anc96> what tz you in? gmt?
20:43:58 <anc96> btw, can i kill the installer now? :)
20:44:02 <JohnTHaller> nyc
20:44:05 <JohnTHaller> yes
20:44:09 <anc96> thanks
20:44:22 <anc96> thanks for helping me :D
20:45:00 <anc96> is it you that makes the fork, geekmenu, or is that someone else?
20:45:30 <anc96> pabot: I like your desktop
20:45:44 <anc96> how did you get the PA start button?
20:46:21 <SilentWalker> anc96: u mean Oni-Neoxes
20:46:31 <anc96> oh :D
20:46:34 <Oni-Neoxes> ?
20:46:49 <Oni-Neoxes> what about me?
20:46:59 <anc96> Oni-Neoxes: how did you make that task bar with the PA icon on it?
20:47:13 <Oni-Neoxes> OH!
20:47:14 <Oni-Neoxes> okay
20:47:21 <Oni-Neoxes> hold on. I get a few links
20:47:24 <anc96> ty
20:49:22 <Oni-Neoxes> ok
20:49:34 <Oni-Neoxes> http://ptc.kain-planet.de/details.php?file=119
20:49:37 <Oni-Neoxes> Thats the Theme
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20:50:12 <Oni-Neoxes> So download that and extract it
20:50:28 <anc96> does it only activate when PA is running?
20:50:55 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: sorry for the interuptions during your support, it is a recurrent problem with some folks :(
20:51:07 <Oni-Neoxes> Its a Windows XP Theme
20:51:12 <Oni-Neoxes> it's always there
20:51:12 <anc96> oh
20:51:17 <anc96> nvm then
20:51:25 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: If you want more testing, let me know, I'll try it to. It hangs like it did for anc96 on my desktop, but if i load it in my Vista VM it works as it should.
20:51:38 <Oni-Neoxes> oh. okay
20:51:53 <anc96> it would be good if PA had the ability take activate a custom theme when running :P
20:53:00 <anc96> btw, I tried the desktop switcher and when i run the app, the desktop bkg just turns blue
20:54:14 <Oni-Neoxes> you need a hacked uxtheme.dll file
20:54:54 <SrgSiler|AFK> uxthemepatcher
20:54:56 <SrgSiler|AFK> FTW
20:55:02 <Oni-Neoxes> yerp
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20:55:36 <anc96> oh
20:55:46 <anc96> is that mentioned in PA?
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20:58:43 <TimClark> Hello Blister75 :)
20:58:47 <Blister75> hi
20:58:57 <anc96> hi
20:59:08 <TimClark> Do you need help with anything , or just visting Blister75 ?
20:59:27 <Blister75> i need help with removing a icon
20:59:54 <anc96> Which icon?
20:59:54 <TimClark> support is now occuring with Blister75
21:00:05 <anc96> ok
21:00:28 <TimClark> as anc96 said, what icon Blister75
21:00:34 <Blister75> one in the portable apps menu
21:00:53 <TimClark> you want to make it invisible
21:00:58 <Blister75> yes
21:01:23 <TimClark> right click on it and put in a - <-
21:01:59 <TimClark> also see this Blister75 http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#hidingicons
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21:02:34 <Blister75> i can't right click
21:03:20 <Blister75> like i said i can't right click
21:03:25 <TimClark> Blister75: please explain, you mouse does not have a right click
21:03:47 <Blister75> no when i right click in the menu window, nothing happens
21:04:16 <TimClark> what version of the menu are you using, when did you download it
21:05:15 <Blister75> i downloaded it last week
21:05:29 <TimClark> download the new version please
21:05:33 <Blister75> it's version 1.1
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21:05:36 <pabot> SilentWalker is new to the #portableapps IRC channel, but loves it:)
21:06:00 <TimClark> you need 1.5 :)
21:06:19 <Blister75> i see
21:06:27 <Blister75> when did it get updated?
21:06:45 <TimClark> this weekend
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21:07:21 <Blister75> do i just install it, or do i need to uninstall first?
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21:07:38 <TimClark> you can install it right over your old menu
21:07:43 <Blister75> cool
21:08:16 <Blister75> how often do you update it?
21:09:21 <TimClark> that is a difficult question to answer, we may be testing a 2.X version next week, but it will be beta
21:10:02 <Blister75> i installed the new version and the icons i was trying to remove disappered
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21:10:23 <Blister75> also they are a non-portable apps folder
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21:11:04 <TimClark> Blister75: that is what you wanted, right ?
21:11:35 <Blister75> yes, but i didn't rename it even.
21:12:06 <TimClark> you did not ask about renameing it, you wanted to hide it, remember
21:12:40 <Blister75> yes but you have to rename it to - to do that, right?
21:12:50 <TimClark> oh, you mean it did it on its own ?
21:13:04 <Blister75> yes, but i found out why
21:13:15 <TimClark> Ok, tell us ?
21:13:44 <Blister75> i have a ini file that i had placed the entry's into
21:14:22 <Blister75> i thought the ini was replaced.
21:14:29 <TimClark> where is the .ini file located ?
21:14:51 <Blister75> \PortableApps\PortableApps.com\Data
21:15:40 <TimClark> so, are you ok now ?
21:15:48 <Blister75> i read the help page and figured what the line would be from where it tells you how to get the icon back
21:15:56 <Blister75> yes thanks! :)
21:16:03 <TimClark> good for you :D
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21:16:48 <anc96> TimClark: would you need any testers for 2.x?
21:16:59 <TimClark> And guys, thanks for not trampleing support :)
21:17:22 <TimClark> anc96: all are welcome to test, just make you back up your original
21:18:14 <TimClark> And yes guys, I looked into -ot for you ideas ;)
21:18:38 <TimClark> The floor is open for general p-appsian chat :D
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21:19:33 * MaienM slaps C++
21:19:42 <SergentSiler> loool
21:20:01 <TimClark> MaienM: is that you way of saying you are having a problem with C++
21:20:09 <MaienM> kinda :P
21:20:27 <MaienM> I wouldn't slap it if it would just do what I want it to
21:20:50 <Bensawsome> lol
21:21:38 *** PatrickP|Away is now known as PatrickPatience
21:22:00 <PatrickPatience> Well that 'Friends' box is just comical: http://lifehacker.com/people/JohnTHaller/
21:22:39 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPatience: lol! THat it is.
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21:22:55 <PatrickPatience> Granted mine is the same. :-P
21:23:09 <Bensawsome> lol
21:23:09 <Gizmokid2005> I don't even have one :) (trying to save face)
21:23:23 <PatrickPatience> And back to work.
21:23:24 <PatrickPatience> Peace.
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21:24:18 <MaienM> do any of you guys know whether sf.net allows FTP downloads?
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21:26:27 <DoctorDude> Hi I need help
21:26:40 <sar3th> hello DoctorDude, how can we help you?
21:26:41 <Gizmokid2005> DoctorDude: what can we assist with?
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21:30:42 <TimClark> DoctorDude: Gizmokid2005 is ready and willing to help you, do you need more time ?
21:30:53 <DoctorDude> almost done
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21:31:44 <DoctorDude> soon have a lot to write
21:33:39 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: No FTP downlolads ffom SF
21:33:49 <JohnTHaller> Most places have ditched public FTP downlolads
21:34:01 <MaienM> :(
21:34:55 <dragonmage> http://portableapps.com/node/18467
21:35:17 <dragonmage> John, you up for discussion on that topic yet?
21:36:35 <JohnTHaller> we will. not be doing that. there's no value to 99.99% of users
21:36:54 <DoctorDude> I was on a website http://www.videodownloader.fdrlab.com/ and they have a software called Easy Video Downloader. And I did download it. But It can only be installed on a computer. And there are only without the installer. And i was thinking about making it to a portable. But I am not sure if it is legel. Because It says that I can not get pissed of if it makes my computer work funny. And to use it for personal use
21:38:48 <dragonmage> No value in having a menu that only shows the apps you need for the particular task you are doing?
21:39:04 <DoctorDude> sorry misspelled
21:39:32 <DoctorDude> I mean And there are only with the installer.
21:39:51 <dragonmage> Or loading an app to perform a particular function without loading the whole platform?
21:40:20 <JohnTHaller> Everything we do is platform specific. The platform is designed for a single user. Profiles are primarily of value to multiple users.
21:40:47 <JohnTHaller> Have something that asks if you want to load this or that... that's what the platform is.
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21:40:59 <JohnTHaller> As for stuff for specific tasks, that's what categories are for.
21:41:36 <pa_5334> Higuys, quick question,what is the name of the folder for theVideo link out of the app?
21:42:02 <JohnTHaller> X:\Documents\Video when the platform is installed to the root directory
21:42:03 <dragonmage> yes, but say you want to just plug your drive in and have it run a virus scan, and walk away, without having to load the platform, then clamwin then set up a scan
21:42:08 <DoctorDude> No just if it is legel to make one software portable if they dont say anything about that in the agreement.
21:42:32 <JohnTHaller> DoctorDude: No, it is not. You can probably mess with it personally. But you can't give it to someoneo else.
21:42:34 <sar3th> DoctorDude: do they say anything about distributing the app? and modifying?
21:42:57 <JohnTHaller> Unless you have something that SPECIFICALLY give you permission, you can not.
21:43:22 <JohnTHaller> dragonmage: So the platform comes up and you run clamwin then close it and leave
21:43:32 <pa_5334> thx
21:43:32 <dragonmage> or, plug in drive and run Updates and walk away
21:44:03 <DoctorDude> No just in basic words install on your own risk. And use it for home use.
21:44:05 <JohnTHaller> the thing that lets you choose which app to run IS the platform. why would we have ANOTHER app picker come up before it?
21:44:26 <JohnTHaller> DoctorDude: Then it is illegal unless you get permission from them.
21:44:44 <DoctorDude> I did emailed but they did not emailed back to me
21:44:49 <dragonmage> or plug in drive run Download podcasts and walk away
21:45:02 <dragonmage> Ok, ok I see where you are coming from
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21:45:42 <dragonmage> I still think it would be handy though
21:46:06 <DoctorDude> Should I email to them again?
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21:46:14 <pabot> Roamer is one of the Linux geeks that are found here from time to time.
21:46:23 <JohnTHaller> extra work and kludgey, honestly
21:46:40 <dragonmage> and it wouldn't really be an app picker, it would be a task starter, predfined commands to perform specific functions then exit
21:47:12 <dragonmage> but I aquiesce to your argument
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21:49:01 <dragonmage> but, say I wanted to learn a language to make something like that for myself...
21:49:12 <dragonmage> nsis? ahk?
21:49:50 <dragonmage> autoit?
21:51:37 <sar3th> dragonmage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language
21:52:43 <dragonmage> You know, John I can see why you cringe when I pop up, but one day you will say "You know, I'm glad dragonmage was there coming at this thing from all sorts of crazy directions..."
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21:56:08 <alpha1beta> hey guys
21:56:31 <alpha1beta> songbird 1.1.1 is out!
21:56:58 <Roamer> !_! Must get!
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21:57:42 <Gizmokid2005> alpha1beta: !!! WOOT!
21:57:49 <Gizmokid2005> I'll have to drop it in my portable folder for it :0
21:57:51 <Gizmokid2005> *:)
21:57:55 <alpha1beta> yea, and read their blog, bunch of new things!
21:58:10 <Gizmokid2005> there better be :P
21:58:32 <alpha1beta> it was funny, cause I checked for updated about an hour ago one 1 computer, and it was still b3, I checked on another computer now, and there it was :D
21:58:33 <dragonmage> John, Rainy released another test today that is supposed to correct the reporting of drive space for removable drives problem I was talking about
21:58:49 <dragonmage> I'm going to test now
21:59:32 <dragonmage> new songbird things? oooohhh
21:59:50 <alpha1beta> yea, including using it to play music from a url
21:59:52 <alpha1beta> songbird:open?url=http%3A%2F%2Flast.fm
21:59:55 <dragonmage> no. no distractions, gotta test rainmeter
22:00:11 <Bensawsome> O_O NEW SONGBIRD ^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^
22:00:19 *** JohnTHaller has quit ("Leaving.")
22:00:32 <sar3th> you scared him off!
22:00:33 <alpha1beta> dragonmage lol *distract*
22:00:44 <Roamer> Bensawsome: you scared John!!!
22:00:50 <Bensawsome> lol
22:01:21 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep
22:01:26 <Bensawsome> wtf? i just opened songbird... and my firewall told me its trying to acces the internet via microsoft activesync...
22:01:28 <Bensawsome> wierd...
22:01:31 <Bensawsome> nite MaienM|Sleep ^_^
22:01:51 <alpha1beta> update addons maybe?
22:01:56 <Bensawsome> :/
22:02:08 <Bensawsome> i dont think i have addons which intereact with as
22:04:50 <dragonmage> YES!!!
22:04:58 <dragonmage> I love Rainy
22:05:03 <dragonmage> he fixed it
22:05:56 <alpha1beta> holy crap, songbird uses a lot less resources now
22:06:07 <Bensawsome> what is 7digital?
22:06:22 <alpha1beta> a music store
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22:06:44 <Bensawsome> i know that...
22:06:53 <Bensawsome> lol
22:07:06 <alpha1beta> beyond that idk, but addon is for intergration with songbird and 7digital
22:07:34 <Bensawsome> you know what would be amazing? if they somehow got it integrated with the itunes store XD THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS
22:07:46 <Bensawsome> what would be even more hilarious is that apple would LET them XD
22:07:59 <alpha1beta> that would be the death if itunes
22:08:06 <Bensawsome> lol ya
22:08:23 <alpha1beta> the program, not the service
22:08:27 <Bensawsome> ya
22:08:55 <Bensawsome> well if songbird can ever get itself to sync with iphones/ipod touches
22:09:14 <sar3th> AND scrobble the played tracks to last.fm
22:09:21 <Bensawsome> lol
22:09:33 <alpha1beta> it does that already sar3th
22:09:37 <alpha1beta> works very well
22:09:47 <sar3th> really? o0
22:09:53 <alpha1beta> yep
22:10:12 <alpha1beta> there's a number of addons to do it with, last.fm is the best
22:10:13 <sar3th> tracks that i played on my ipod? it scrobbles them?
22:10:25 <alpha1beta> oh no, tracks played in sb
22:10:39 <alpha1beta> but there is a songbird remote for the itouch
22:10:48 <Bensawsome> YA I KNOW! its so cool ^_^_^_^
22:10:52 * daBomb69 hopes someone does songbird portable 1.1.1:D
22:11:01 <alpha1beta> rmccue will
22:11:03 <Bensawsome> rmccue it will be >_>
22:11:10 <daBomb69> OhRly?
22:11:13 <Bensawsome> yarly!
22:11:25 <alpha1beta> it'll tell him the new version is out and he'll update it soon enough
22:11:59 <Bensawsome> i bet someone will post on the forums for it if it isnt done within a day XD
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22:12:22 <daBomb69> I bet 3 people will post, and 10 will yell at them to wait
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22:12:42 <alpha1beta> nahh not yet, it just came out like an hour ago
22:12:50 <daBomb69> So!
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22:13:57 <alpha1beta> new itouch remote thingy too, sweet!
22:14:06 <Bensawsome> AGH ITS NOT AN ITOUCH
22:14:12 <Bensawsome> its an iPod Touch
22:14:13 <Bensawsome> RAWR
22:14:21 *** sar3th (n=sar3th@port-92-205-52-68.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #portableapps
22:14:22 <pabot> sar3th is working on LyX portable
22:14:28 <alpha1beta> bad puppy
22:14:29 <Roamer> ...
22:14:42 <Roamer> iTouch! iTouch! iTouch!
22:14:50 * Bensawsome kills Roamer
22:14:52 <KevinPorter> Roamer: I'm actually with Ben on this one. :P
22:14:53 <daBomb69> iPod Touch!!!
22:15:04 <Bensawsome> EXACTLY
22:15:05 <Bensawsome> lol
22:15:12 <alpha1beta> itouch
22:15:19 <alpha1beta> utouch
22:15:22 <alpha1beta> wealltouch
22:15:31 <Bensawsome> KevinPorter: mute the next one who says it XD
22:15:38 <Bensawsome> lol nice alpha1beta :P
22:15:38 <daBomb69> itouch
22:15:43 <KevinPorter> I'm not *that* evil Bensawsome. :P
22:15:48 <Bensawsome> darn >_>
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22:16:07 * daBomb69 thinks that either way, it's still an over-pirced restricteve chuck of hardware
22:16:11 <anc96> hello
22:16:12 <alpha1beta> I agree
22:16:15 <Bensawsome> chuck?
22:16:16 <Bensawsome> :P
22:16:19 <KevinPorter> I love my iPod touch.
22:16:20 * Roamer puts +q on daBomb69.
22:16:22 <daBomb69> *chunck
22:16:27 <alpha1beta> hey anc09 can we help you?
22:16:28 <anc96> i have an ipod touch!
22:16:28 <KevinPorter> But then again, I jailbroke mine.
22:16:30 <daBomb69> wat does +p mean?
22:16:31 <alpha1beta> 96*
22:16:36 <Bensawsome> ipod touch ftw ^_^
22:16:40 <Bensawsome> daBomb69: thats +q
22:16:43 <Bensawsome> and it mutes you
22:16:46 <daBomb69> oh
22:16:47 <anc96> KevinPorter: When generation?
22:16:50 <alpha1beta> guys!
22:16:55 <daBomb69> that didn't work
22:16:57 <KevinPorter> anc96: First gen.
22:16:59 <alpha1beta> anc96 do you need help?
22:17:07 <anc96> I was in here earlier
22:17:14 <anc96> just came in here coz I could :D
22:17:14 <alpha1beta> ok
22:17:24 <Bensawsome> lol
22:18:16 <daBomb69> wat ya'll think is worse, the iPod, ur the zune?
22:18:23 <Roamer> Zune
22:18:26 <anc96> Zune
22:18:42 <KevinPorter> iPod touch > Zune > iPod.
22:18:54 <anc96> KevinPorter: yeh :D
22:18:57 <anc96> XD
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22:19:06 <Roamer> I had a Zune. The warrenty ran out. Zune died.
22:19:10 <anc96> what does xd actually mean?
22:19:12 <Roamer> I no like zunes.
22:19:18 <daBomb69> It's very sad when the audio world is ruled by either MS or Apple
22:19:24 <Roamer> big laugh, anc96
22:19:24 *** daBomb69 is now known as daBomb69|Eating
22:19:26 <anc96> Roamer: its like that with all M$ products
22:19:37 <anc96> thanks roamer
22:19:48 <Roamer> I know. That why i use linux as much as i can :D
22:19:57 <anc96> when my 360 died, i was lucky enough to have a warranty!
22:20:58 <Roamer> hmm...
22:21:09 * Roamer gets an idea... he goes off to search...
22:21:12 <dragonmage> I've never had an ipod or zune, but as far as audio players, I'm happy with my little Sansa Express
22:21:19 <alpha1beta> sansa connect FTW
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22:21:38 <pabot> ptmb is a blogger and wannabe programmer that uses Linux. He is an OpenSource fanatic too. You can see more about him at http://ptmblogger.co.cc/
22:22:04 <dragonmage> don't know about the sansa connect, I don't use it
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22:22:45 <anc96> who or what is pabot?
22:22:54 <alpha1beta> a bot
22:23:21 <alpha1beta> it provides help like .pa stuff
22:23:30 <alpha1beta> .pa firefox portable
22:23:43 <alpha1beta> pabot?
22:23:47 <alpha1beta> pabot!
22:23:48 <pabot> alpha1beta!
22:23:54 <alpha1beta> hi pabot!
22:23:54 <pabot> Hi alpha1beta
22:24:10 <Roamer> .g Firefox Portable
22:24:11 <Bensawsome> alpha1beta: i think that has been broken for a while :/
22:24:12 <pabot> Roamer: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
22:24:18 <sar3th> .yi
22:24:19 <pabot> Not yet...
22:24:19 <Bensawsome> or...
22:24:21 <alpha1beta> .pa toucan
22:24:28 <alpha1beta> hmm seems so
22:24:34 <anc96> pabot is alive!
22:24:36 <Bensawsome> .g toucan site:portableapps.com
22:24:37 <pabot> Bensawsome: http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/toucan
22:24:43 <Bensawsome> that works too ^_^
22:24:48 <Bensawsome> thats all that .pa does :/
22:24:55 <alpha1beta> except it makes a P
22:24:58 <alpha1beta> :P*
22:25:20 <dragonmage> pabot should have a command to tell what modules it has loaded
22:25:35 <Bensawsome> it does
22:25:41 <Bensawsome> /msg pabot .commands
22:26:24 <anc96> how do we make the pabot talk?
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22:27:12 <sar3th> use a command
22:27:19 <sar3th> .o christmas_yet
22:27:21 <pabot> No! Thou purpled dread-bolted death-token!
22:28:07 <anc96> i dont know how to comand the pabot
22:28:13 <Roamer> .o echo Oh really?
22:28:14 <pabot> Oh really?
22:28:22 <anc96> ah
22:28:26 <Roamer> nope lol
22:28:27 <anc96> .o echo Hiya
22:28:28 <pabot> Hiya
22:28:38 <anc96> .o echo Kool!
22:28:39 <pabot> Kool!
22:28:41 <TimClark> the echo command wil result in being kick
22:28:43 <anc96> thats fun
22:28:45 <anc96> oh
22:28:48 <anc96> sorry
22:28:50 <TimClark> no anc96 it is not
22:28:51 <Roamer> none of us really do. lol
22:29:06 <anc96> oh
22:29:17 <anc96> i didn't read the kick but until after i said thats fun
22:29:21 <anc96> soz guys
22:29:21 <rcmaehl> i need help with the AppCompactor
22:29:26 <alpha1beta> pabot is a tool! you use it to help you
22:29:38 <sar3th> hello rcmaehl, ask your question
22:30:40 <rcmaehl> I tried using App Compactor on some of my apps and the apps didn't get smaller
22:30:45 <rcmaehl> why is that?
22:30:56 <Bensawsome> rcmaehl: on apps release from portableapps.com?
22:31:06 <rcmaehl> yes
22:31:11 <Bensawsome> thats because they are already compressed to their max
22:31:25 <Bensawsome> also you might have broken the apps by doing that :/
22:31:34 <rcmaehl> ...oh
22:32:23 <rcmaehl> No one told me that they where as small as possible... and couldn't get smaller :(
22:33:29 <Bensawsome> all portableapps.com apps are compressed as much as they can be without breaking
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22:36:27 <dragonmage> Question about launchers and saving settings:
22:37:08 <BjornH> Trouble to login at comminity. Used "Request new password" and got e-mail. Open link and got next message: "Access denied
22:37:08 <BjornH> You are not authorized to access this page." I have try befora. Time to give up?
22:37:39 <dragonmage> Do most of the launchers copy the settings files to \Data on exit or do they move them there?
22:38:30 <rcmaehl> hey since all the portable apps are (that one term (SBL?)) does that mean we can do what ever we want with it (other than redistribute)
22:38:54 <alpha1beta> GPL*
22:39:03 <rcmaehl> yeah that
22:39:21 <alpha1beta> basically, yes and you can redistrubte some, not all, and you can't claim you made them
22:40:03 <rcmaehl> i'm talking about editing,converting them to other formats,etc
22:40:15 <alpha1beta> like what
22:40:22 <alpha1beta> 7zipping them?
22:40:34 <rcmaehl> U3ing them for personal use
22:40:49 <rcmaehl> as in myself only
22:41:08 <alpha1beta> I don't see anything to say you can't do that, but if your gonna distribute, I'd ask john
22:41:31 <alpha1beta> but you can't do that with mozilla apps, they use the MPL, but any GPL apps you can do it with
22:41:44 <rcmaehl> MPL?
22:41:54 <alpha1beta> mozilla public licence
22:42:22 <alpha1beta> basically it's the GPL, but it states you can't use their logo, or name, so you can recompile FF, but you need to change the name
22:42:42 <sar3th> reminds me of xchat
22:43:05 <alpha1beta> yea, kinda the same idea
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22:44:25 <rcmaehl> hey... if get a program, (such as AVG free) are you allowed to put it in U3 format?
22:44:42 <alpha1beta> it's not GPL, so no
22:45:20 <rcmaehl> are you allowed to atleast put it on a flashdrive?
22:45:34 *** KevinPorter|away is now known as KevinPorter
22:45:41 <alpha1beta> that would depend on their licence
22:48:20 <TimClark> rcmaehl: you could just get avast for u3
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22:49:22 <rcmaehl> one sec
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22:49:47 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
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22:50:33 <rcmaehl> whats with all the nick changes
22:50:39 <dragonmage> So, I'm assuming most launchers copy settings to \Data
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22:50:59 <excid3|home> sorry forgot to msg nickserv to identify in time
22:51:01 <KevinPorter> dragonmage: They should, yes.
22:51:04 <Roamer> we fail at id'ing in time
22:51:18 <dragonmage> are there any that move them to save space?
22:51:24 <excid3|home> can anyone point me to a very good cross browser way of making rounded corners on websites?
22:51:49 <Roamer> excid3|home: images, png
22:51:57 <KevinPorter> dragonmage: I'm not sure what you mean by that, because no matter where something is stored, it takes up the same amount of space.
22:52:20 <alpha1beta> try this app, stylizer
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22:52:27 <dragonmage> I mean by not having two copies of the same files on the drive
22:52:29 <alpha1beta> lemme find a link
22:52:36 * daBomb69 <3 stylizer
22:52:50 <alpha1beta> http://www.skybound.ca/
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22:53:14 <alpha1beta> try that excid3|home
22:53:22 <excid3|home> has anyone heard of 'Rico' ?
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22:53:41 <KevinPorter> dragonmage: Hmm... not too sure.
22:54:18 <dragonmage> I'm looking to make Rainmeter pap compliant, and the configs would have to be put into \Data to be backed up
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22:54:48 <daBomb69> excid3|home: Rico like Puerto Rico?
22:54:50 <rcmaehl> avast for u3 costs $$
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22:54:53 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is liking his new desktop: http://tinyurl.com/dz2xmb
22:55:18 <rcmaehl> lol
22:55:24 <excid3|home> daBomb69: no :P
22:55:36 <excid3|home> thanks for the stylizer link guys, looks nice
22:55:43 <dragonmage> my current \Skin folder is 720k so if it were to be copied to \Data it would be using close to a meg and a half on the drive
22:55:54 <daBomb69> 1 bad part of stylizer, it needs .net
22:56:00 <TimClark> rcmaehl: i use it and it did not cost me a cent
22:56:08 <alpha1beta> yea, it's awesome, but it only works for 15 days on the professional version until you have to pay or use the basic version
22:56:31 <sar3th> it looks like a firefox browser with custom extensions
22:56:35 <excid3|home> Oni-Neoxes: you should replace luigi with pedobear and it would be perfect
22:56:37 <TimClark> alpha1beta: that's only for folks who don't know the secrect trick :P
22:56:45 <Oni-Neoxes> XD Excid
22:56:46 <Oni-Neoxes> Nice
22:56:59 <alpha1beta> oh and hi timclark, don't think I said hi yet today :P
22:57:13 <dragonmage> however if it were to be moved it would only use the 720k, but there would be greater chance of data loss if something happened
22:57:29 <excid3|home> brb
22:57:30 <TimClark> oh, wait alpha1beta were talking to me about the u3 think when you said "...15 days ..."
22:57:42 <TimClark> and hi alpha1beta to you too :D
22:58:15 <KevinPorter> dragonmage: 720k... I'm not sure I'd worry too much about it unless someone whines.
22:58:25 <sar3th> dragonmage: and that's why we don't want to move it
22:59:19 <dragonmage> yes, but if people start putting in multiple sets of configs the size would start jumping up
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23:00:03 <alpha1beta> the basic version just lacks some cool feature, but still works
23:00:15 <DoctorDude> Hi They are many PortableApps Aterntives. But which are legel and which are not?
23:00:31 <dragonmage> Mine is only the configs that I am making for the Sputnik theme I am doing, and I'm not close to done adding stuff to it
23:00:35 <daBomb69> Portableapps.com and Portablefreeware.com are legal
23:00:49 <daBomb69> Most of the rest have some quality of illicitness
23:01:13 <dragonmage> nice word
23:01:15 <KevinPorter> DoctorDude: There are hundreds out there, and it's hard to go through each one, but just stick to ones that are well-known and respected. That'll keep you safe. :)
23:01:17 <alpha1beta> lol
23:01:49 <dragonmage> how bout illiciticity?
23:01:52 <rcmaehl> is putting itunes on a usb drive illegal?
23:02:02 <daBomb69> No, but it won't work.
23:02:25 <Oni-Neoxes> <_<
23:02:27 <rcmaehl> why
23:03:04 <Oni-Neoxes> registry files most likely
23:03:18 <daBomb69> Ya, all of ur info is in registry
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23:04:04 <Oni-Neoxes> Ghost!
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23:04:20 <Roamer> boo
23:04:41 * alpha1beta jump
23:04:45 <alpha1beta> jumps*
23:04:53 <dragonmage> I think the easiest solution to my problem, is to try and get Rainy to make it configurable where rainmeter looks for it's configs
23:05:00 * alpha1beta lands on roamer and kills him :P
23:05:08 <rcmaehl> well just see if i can make itunes work on a flash drive
23:05:12 * Roamer is a ghost again... great.
23:05:14 <rcmaehl> :D
23:05:17 <alpha1beta> or use songbird!
23:05:41 <daBomb69> Songbird! FTW!
23:06:02 <Oni-Neoxes> I dont like it
23:06:12 <Oni-Neoxes> buuut. since I recently got more RAM. I'll try it out
23:06:29 <alpha1beta> new release as of like 2 hours ago, 1.1.1
23:06:29 * Roamer points at Oni-Neoxes! "Judas!"
23:06:31 <dragonmage> if I can tell rainmeter to look in \Data\Skins\ for configs then I could store them there and not have to copy or move them
23:06:32 <Roamer> lol
23:06:44 <Oni-Neoxes> Judas?
23:06:48 <DoctorDude> Really? Is Portablefreeware.com legel? Makes hard to believe
23:06:56 <Oni-Neoxes> yea. It's legal
23:07:15 <Oni-Neoxes> link me to songbird someone >_>
23:07:25 <dragonmage> of course that would mean more \..\'s to get the paths working
23:07:28 <Roamer> Oni-Neoxes: major biblical tradior
23:07:28 <sar3th> .g songbird
23:07:30 <KevinPorter> We only use free and open source software DoctorDude. :)
23:07:30 <pabot> sar3th: http://www.getsongbird.com/
23:07:32 <daBomb69> http://songbirdnest.com
23:07:42 <Oni-Neoxes> portable version
23:07:51 <daBomb69> .pa songbird
23:08:15 <Oni-Neoxes> >_>
23:08:17 <Gizmokid2005> there isn't an official one yet.
23:08:24 <Gizmokid2005> there was a beta release a while back
23:08:27 <daBomb69> y doesn't that ever work:(
23:08:36 <Roamer> it needs to be fixsed
23:08:38 <dragonmage> Plus once Songbird is full grown it'll be itunes' daddy
23:08:39 <rcmaehl> .pa myfeedmaker
23:08:40 <Oni-Neoxes> I dont want to get a local version
23:08:41 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: http://portableapps.com/node/17000
23:08:49 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
23:08:53 <Gizmokid2005> that was by rmccue back in Dec
23:08:57 <Gizmokid2005> with 1.0DT1
23:09:42 <rcmaehl> yay PAC works on off-brand apps
23:10:30 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: yes...read the description...it's supposed to
23:10:31 <Oni-Neoxes> so portable songbird is not up to date?
23:10:35 <Gizmokid2005> Oni-Neoxes: correct
23:10:40 <Oni-Neoxes> D:
23:10:42 * Bensawsome has the new version of xchat >_>
23:10:45 <Gizmokid2005> there was a reason too...but I don't remember why
23:11:29 <rcmaehl> i got itunes to work on a flash drive!
23:11:40 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: now go to a different PC
23:11:42 <Gizmokid2005> it will NOT work
23:11:46 <daBomb69> Now, go to someone else's computer and test it
23:12:12 <alpha1beta> bye gents
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23:12:16 <dragonmage> oh it might work, but it won't have his settings
23:12:43 <Gizmokid2005> dragonmage: it won't work.
23:12:44 <Gizmokid2005> period
23:12:53 <Gizmokid2005> itunes requires reg entries in windows
23:13:13 <dragonmage> it won't just make it's own default entries?
23:13:26 <Gizmokid2005> dragonmage: nope, they are made upon install
23:13:27 <Gizmokid2005> not launch
23:13:31 <Gizmokid2005> they are required for launch
23:13:38 <dragonmage> ahh
23:14:10 <dragonmage> but it would use the hosts existing ones if they had itunes installed right?
23:14:19 <Gizmokid2005> dragonmage: most likely, yes
23:14:27 <Gizmokid2005> but if you take it to a PC w/o iTunes, it won't work
23:14:37 <rcmaehl> it works! and it has all my setiing
23:14:44 <rcmaehl> settings*
23:14:58 <dragonmage> unless it had a gripe about itunes running from a directory that it doesn't recognize...
23:15:02 <rcmaehl> b/c
23:15:32 <rcmaehl> i got a program that allows you to take the programs registry files with you
23:15:51 * Oni-Neoxes face palms
23:15:56 <sar3th> xD
23:16:10 * sar3th prepeares for the worst
23:16:55 <dragonmage> rcmaehl, does it also backup the other computers existing settings and restore them when you close itunes? or does it just overwrite their settings and say screw them?
23:17:16 <rcmaehl> si
23:17:35 <sar3th> rcmaehl: name?
23:18:07 <rcmaehl> idk it's a collection of dll files or something
23:19:28 <sar3th> rcmaehl: you said you had a program which allows you to make any app portable. please tell me its name
23:19:32 <dragonmage> and does it adjust the paths in the settings to point to the music on your portable, so that it can still find them when the drive letter changes?
23:20:23 <rcmaehl> one sec...
23:20:43 <daBomb69> .o christmas_yet
23:20:44 <pabot> No! Thou queasy toad-spotted barnacle!
23:21:32 <TimClark> daBomb69: what was the pupose of that ?
23:22:02 <daBomb69> The purpos was... umm... there was no purpose.
23:22:15 <TimClark> then don abuse the bot for no reason please
23:22:32 <daBomb69> Well, it was something interesting to ponder!
23:22:57 <TimClark> ponder it else where
23:22:58 <daBomb69> And, can YOU think of a good reason to ever use .o christmas_yet
23:23:05 <Oni-Neoxes> whats the .o command?
23:23:08 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: don't question him.
23:23:09 <Gizmokid2005> period
23:23:15 <Gizmokid2005> if you must do that, do it in PM or -ot
23:23:17 <Gizmokid2005> don't abuse the bots.
23:23:33 <daBomb69> Oni-Neoxes: .o christmas_yet
23:23:43 <Oni-Neoxes> thats it?
23:23:46 <daBomb69> ya
23:23:51 <Oni-Neoxes> brb, updating xfire
23:23:53 <Gizmokid2005> Oni-Neoxes: no, the .o module does a few things
23:23:54 <Oni-Neoxes> oops
23:24:01 <Gizmokid2005> .o lastfm Gizmokid2005
23:24:01 <Oni-Neoxes> not xfire. I ment xchat
23:24:06 <pabot> No user details found.
23:24:08 * daBomb69 requests permision to show Oni-Neoxes what it does
23:24:13 <Oni-Neoxes> brb
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23:24:16 <Gizmokid2005> Oni-Neoxes: that's how it is "supposed" to work
23:24:31 <TimClark> daBomb69: take it to -ot if you must, or #rmccue
23:24:40 <daBomb69> #rmccue?
23:24:47 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: yes.
23:24:55 <Gizmokid2005> that's rmccue's channel, where the bot also resides.
23:25:24 <daBomb69> So, the PAbot doesnt reside in the channel for PortableApps, but instead in #rmccue?
23:25:39 <TimClark> daBomb69: it was discussed earlire with you in -ot
23:25:50 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: it resides in multiple channels....do a /whois pabot
23:25:53 <daBomb69> No, the how to make the .def command was
23:26:01 <TimClark> that is where you do .def changes
23:26:07 <daBomb69> ok then
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23:37:11 <SergentSiler> split/join fest!! w00t
23:37:26 <sar3th> =E
23:37:36 <SergentSiler> :3
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23:48:37 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is liking his new desktop: http://tinyurl.com/dz2xmb
23:50:02 * rcmaehl is liking windows 7
23:50:33 * sar3th curses the windows 7 installer
23:51:12 * rcmaehl has windows xp and windows 7 in a dual bootable computer
23:51:49 * sar3th had xp in a truecrypt-encrypted hd - until he installed 7 and it broke everything
23:51:58 <TimClark> enough emotes guys
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