IRC Log from 2009-03-11

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00:11:03 <sancas> what's is your opinion for this http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6769/prograsancaslogo.png
00:11:04 <sancas> ??
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00:26:52 <brisa> Hey guys, someboy here knows the name of this theme ? http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7087/comugdporkutep6.jpg
00:29:57 <Gizmokid2005> brisa: the XP theme?
00:30:01 <Gizmokid2005> it's just a vista skin.
00:31:39 <brisa> But I guees the OS it's the XP
00:32:52 <Gizmokid2005> brisa: that's what it looks like
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00:33:33 <sar3th> it looks like xp disguised as vista :P
00:34:22 <brisa> do you guys know the theme name ?
00:34:48 <sar3th> sorry, i don't know the name of this theme
00:36:09 <brisa> thanks sar3th =D
00:36:32 <sar3th> however, i know a theme which looks a bit similar to it
00:37:00 <brisa> What is the name ?
00:37:08 <sar3th> http://www.chip.de/ii/124246035_500d3d4f89.jpg
00:37:22 <sar3th> zune theme from microsoft
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00:37:41 <brisa> yeah, that one i do
00:38:41 <brisa> it's very nice, but i used for a very long time
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00:45:48 <brisa> is everybody here from USA ?
00:45:55 <sar3th> no
00:46:30 <brisa> where are you from ?
00:47:00 <sar3th> europe
00:47:30 <brisa> what country ?
00:47:38 <sar3th> germany
00:49:17 <SergentSiler> FTW
00:49:24 * SergentSiler <3 germany
00:49:47 <sar3th> =)
00:49:54 <sar3th> SergentSilerm,
00:50:01 <SergentSiler> ?
00:50:01 * daBomb69 <3 germany
00:50:09 <sar3th> SergentSiler, where are you from?
00:50:14 <SergentSiler> States
00:50:21 <sar3th> (it's pretty late for me :P )
00:50:26 <sar3th> & daBomb69 ?
00:50:32 <SergentSiler> third genoration in the us
00:50:38 <daBomb69> USA (But Germany still ROX)
00:50:39 <SergentSiler> mah grandparents were german :P
00:50:44 <SergentSiler> er
00:50:48 <SergentSiler> great grandparents
00:51:10 <sar3th> =D so you have german roots
00:51:14 <sar3th> root>all
00:51:15 <SergentSiler> yes!
00:51:30 * daBomb69 cheers for Grmany!
00:51:32 * SergentSiler is from teh Griesbach family
00:51:36 <brisa> i'm from Brazil
00:51:52 <sar3th> nice
00:52:00 * SergentSiler has family crest (^_^)
00:52:13 * daBomb69 has his faimly (^_^)
00:52:26 <brisa> Brazil rocks =D
00:52:28 <SergentSiler> lol
00:52:51 <daBomb69> Doens't Brazil have annacondas?
00:53:06 <brisa> yes!
00:53:10 <SergentSiler> lol
00:53:17 * daBomb69 is scared of Brazil
00:53:20 <brisa> big snakes
00:53:29 <sar3th> python!
00:53:32 <SergentSiler> OMG
00:53:32 <sar3th> pabot!
00:53:33 <pabot> sar3th!
00:53:39 <daBomb69> pabot!
00:53:39 <pabot> daBomb69!
00:53:46 <brisa> brazil has very nice girls dude
00:53:49 <SergentSiler> doesnt brazil has teh Irucandji?
00:53:59 <SergentSiler> or however its spelt
00:54:04 <daBomb69> brisa: USA has better ones! XD
00:54:11 <SergentSiler> teh super tiny box jellyfish
00:54:17 <SergentSiler> super poisonus
00:54:22 <brisa> no way, brazilian girls are the best
00:54:26 <daBomb69> SergentSiler: Thats Australia
00:54:28 <SergentSiler> ah
00:54:32 * daBomb69 wants 2 go to Brazil now
00:54:46 <SergentSiler> and brisa, we has teh best girlz next to Brazil ;)
00:54:55 <SergentSiler> and germany
00:54:58 <SergentSiler> :)
00:55:11 <brisa> =D
00:55:15 <brisa> big ass here, and bobs too
00:55:20 <daBomb69> bobs?
00:55:22 <SergentSiler> spelling FTW
00:55:24 <SergentSiler> lol
00:55:27 <SergentSiler> boobz
00:55:31 <SergentSiler> XD
00:55:32 <daBomb69> yay!
00:55:37 <SergentSiler> wait till the admins see teh logz
00:55:42 <brisa> yeah, that is it
00:55:44 * SergentSiler runs and hids
00:55:46 <SergentSiler> er
00:55:48 <SergentSiler> hides
00:55:53 * daBomb69 was never here!
00:55:59 <SergentSiler> lol
00:56:17 * sar3th is still afk
00:56:39 <brisa> "was never here" that one was good =D
00:56:49 <daBomb69> :P
00:57:13 <dragonmage> G-Rated channel guys
00:57:14 <daBomb69> Everyone involed in the Brazil conversation, don't come here 2morrow
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00:57:22 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
00:57:25 <SergentSiler> hi JohnTHaller
00:57:26 <JohnTHaller> hola again
00:57:30 <brisa> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk'
00:57:30 <daBomb69> Hello JohnTHaller
00:57:33 <sar3th> hi JohnTHaller
00:57:34 <dragonmage> see now you're all in trouble
00:57:38 <SergentSiler> :P
00:57:49 <JohnTHaller> Is there anybody in here that was having the whole app installer hang issue with PAP 1.5?
00:57:57 <daBomb69> Me!
00:58:03 <JohnTHaller> Yeah? Every time?
00:58:07 <daBomb69> Yup
00:58:07 <SergentSiler> i only had the menu freeze and go funky
00:58:20 <JohnTHaller> Ok
00:58:23 <JohnTHaller> SergentSiler: Every time?
00:58:28 <SergentSiler> no
00:58:40 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: you gonna be around for a bit?
00:58:44 <daBomb69> ya
00:58:59 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Like how long?
00:59:11 <daBomb69> like couple hours minimum.
00:59:39 <JohnTHaller> good. I could really use your help. I can't reproduce it no matter what I do
00:59:46 <daBomb69> Oh, really?
00:59:54 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: does it happen with all the different app installers?
01:00:07 <daBomb69> Like 90% of them at leaste
01:00:11 <Gizmokid2005> me too JohnTHaller
01:00:29 <JohnTHaller> Ah good. Two data points, even better
01:00:39 <JohnTHaller> Does it happen even the first time you run PAP after a reboot?
01:00:52 <sar3th> i will go to sleep now, bye all
01:01:00 <daBomb69> goodbye sar3th
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01:01:16 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I have rebooted, but haven't tried since.
01:01:16 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller: Computer reboot, or PAP reboot?
01:01:26 <Gizmokid2005> and PAP reboot, yes. Same thing
01:01:39 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: please try again after the reboot
01:01:48 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: please DON'T reboot, just in case it fixes it
01:01:54 <daBomb69> ok
01:02:26 * daBomb69 won't reboot
01:05:30 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: will cornice suffice as an installer?
01:05:58 <brisa> hey guys, i've to go now, bye and see you next! =D
01:06:12 <daBomb69> goodbye brisa
01:06:14 * brisa going out
01:06:18 <daBomb69> yay
01:06:20 <Gizmokid2005> bye brisa
01:06:21 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: yea
01:06:30 <JohnTHaller> brb... gotta reboot... loose sata cable
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01:07:16 <dragonmage> is it new apps or upgrading existing apps guys?
01:07:25 <daBomb69> both
01:07:27 <Gizmokid2005> dragonmage: doesn't matter
01:08:04 <daBomb69> ALL (or at least 90%) PA.com NSIS installers freaze
01:08:04 <dragonmage> I can't get it to happen here either
01:08:14 <Gizmokid2005> it happens without issues with me...every time it happens
01:08:18 <Gizmokid2005> all the new installers that is
01:08:32 <Gizmokid2005> it's been hung for 1.5 mins now
01:08:32 * daBomb69 thinks he's figured it out!
01:08:42 <daBomb69> I had one hang for 3 hours
01:08:48 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: what do you think the issue is.
01:08:50 <Gizmokid2005> ?
01:09:18 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005: Go into the beta forums, go to the first page, and download the ondest program with a NSIS launcher you can find.
01:09:37 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: explain
01:09:40 * daBomb69 thinks that there's a bug in the recent launchers
01:09:46 <dragonmage> it's only the new installers?
01:09:51 <Gizmokid2005> dragonmage: yes.
01:09:59 <Gizmokid2005> any installer that wants to refresh the menu
01:10:00 <daBomb69> Well, no one talked about this problem till recently
01:10:10 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: it wasn't a problem before because the feature wasn't there
01:10:14 <dragonmage> let me try the newest
01:10:23 <Gizmokid2005> for instance dragonmage, cornice
01:10:31 <Gizmokid2005> or 7zip
01:10:33 <Gizmokid2005> or miranda
01:10:39 <Gizmokid2005> or bonkenc, taskcoach, toucan...
01:10:41 <daBomb69> Yeah, try a really old one. Or, DL PAM 1.1 and try a new one
01:10:48 <SergentSiler> i had the menu screw up with 7zip
01:11:18 <Gizmokid2005> I had all the installers (toucan, 7zip, miranda, bonkenc, task coach, and cornice) hang when they tried to refresh the menui
01:11:19 <Gizmokid2005> *menu
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01:11:41 <daBomb69> Ya. So, its either a PAP 1.5 bug, or a NSIS bug
01:12:32 <dragonmage> install from menu or run directly?
01:13:27 <dragonmage> does it matter?
01:14:04 <Gizmokid2005> I never update with the menu
01:14:06 <Gizmokid2005> always directly
01:14:24 <Gizmokid2005> it's been 8 minutes...killing the installer.
01:14:25 <dragonmage> ok, I'll do that then
01:14:44 <daBomb69> Both
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01:15:27 <dragonmage> does it hang at a particular stage of install?
01:15:39 <daBomb69> Yes, the refreash the menu stage
01:15:46 <daBomb69> the very end
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01:16:06 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
01:16:59 <JohnTHaller> ok, think I got the sata cable fixed. one of the reasons I'm trying to get off of this PC.
01:17:51 <dragonmage> ok, brb
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01:18:45 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
01:20:07 <Gizmokid2005> welcome back JohnTHaller
01:20:10 <Gizmokid2005> still hangs
01:20:48 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller: I think that it might e a problem with the recent NSIS installers
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01:22:16 <JohnTHaller> it's actually all of em lately... but I just enabled it in the platform in 1.2/1.5 so it's only showing up now...
01:22:25 <daBomb69> oh
01:23:53 <Gizmokid2005> just as I told you daBomb69
01:23:56 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: see my report?
01:24:11 <JohnTHaller> yeah, thanks
01:24:13 <JohnTHaller> working on it now
01:24:14 <Gizmokid2005> np
01:24:21 <Gizmokid2005> let me know when you need help again
01:24:37 <Gizmokid2005> and just for curiosities' sake, do you think it's the installer code, or the actual menu?
01:25:27 <JohnTHaller> I'm not sure yet. Could be either.
01:25:38 <JohnTHaller> Hoping it's the menu... easier to fix.
01:30:15 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: can we open the floor for now?
01:31:26 <JohnTHaller> yes. I'm working on code to fix it
01:32:00 <TimClark> Please give him your attention if he comes back guys, thanks :)
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01:37:40 <pabot> dragonmage is a skinner, who mostly just ports other's skins to different apps. Beta tester, Feature Suggester, and pretty much an idea man.
01:38:18 <dragonmage> well, no hang here
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01:40:53 <JohnTHaller> Ok, Gizmokid2005 and daBomb69 ready?
01:40:56 <Gizmokid2005> sure
01:41:15 <daBomb69> ok
01:42:14 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: has the floor, all other chat to -ot please if you are not working with him
01:42:20 <JohnTHaller> Close the platform. Browse to your X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com directory. And rename PortableAppsPlatform.exe to PortableAppsPlatformOld.exe
01:42:51 <Gizmokid2005> k
01:42:54 <Gizmokid2005> done
01:43:31 <JohnTHaller> Then place this file in that directory: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/1/PortableAppsPlatform.exe
01:43:49 <Gizmokid2005> k
01:44:12 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: you with us?
01:44:18 <daBomb69> Oh, yes
01:44:28 <JohnTHaller> Ok, start the platform back up. and try and install a new app
01:45:19 <daBomb69> platform Backup?
01:45:37 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: no, just start the menu again
01:45:41 <daBomb69> ok, ok
01:45:41 <Gizmokid2005> same issue for me JohnTHaller
01:45:42 <JohnTHaller> start the platform back... up. as in start it
01:45:47 <Gizmokid2005> hanging
01:45:48 <JohnTHaller> hangs at the same spot?
01:45:51 <Gizmokid2005> yup
01:45:51 <daBomb69> oh, duh
01:45:55 <JohnTHaller> how many apps do you guys have?
01:46:09 <Gizmokid2005> I have probably 2 dozen or so...maybe more
01:46:30 <Gizmokid2005> but now, the menu is completely unresponsive to me...i can open and close it, but I can't click anything
01:46:31 <daBomb69> same here
01:46:43 <Gizmokid2005> Yet...I can open apps...
01:46:48 * daBomb69 needs to find something to install
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01:47:01 <Gizmokid2005> I just can't use any of the links on the right side of the menu
01:47:34 <Gizmokid2005> can I kill the installer?
01:49:11 <daBomb69> Ya, all right side is inresponcive
01:49:19 <daBomb69> and the up/down buttons
01:49:37 <JohnTHaller> yea, kill it
01:50:03 <JohnTHaller> go into your X;\pa\pa.c directory and delete that test EXE I gave you after closing the platform down
01:50:46 <daBomb69> ok
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01:51:15 <JohnTHaller> Now download and try this one: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/2/PortableAppsPlatform.exe
01:51:42 <dragonmage> Please hold comments appguy and ben, testing going on
01:53:21 <daBomb69> Slould we run the new PAP?
01:53:41 <JohnTHaller> Yes. This time you may have to click on the PAP icon as a oppup message should show
01:54:47 <daBomb69> Slhd we attempt to install new app?
01:54:51 <JohnTHaller> yes
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01:55:23 <JohnTHaller> the installer should hang, then click on the PA icon in your systray and you should see a "got message" box. click ok and let me know of the installer resumes
01:55:38 <Gizmokid2005> I got the popup box
01:55:41 <Gizmokid2005> but the installer didn't die
01:55:45 <Gizmokid2005> it's still hanging
01:55:51 <JohnTHaller> even after you click ok, right
01:55:54 <Gizmokid2005> correct
01:56:07 <daBomb69> I didnn't get the pop-up
01:56:22 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: is your installer hanging?
01:56:25 <daBomb69> Yes
01:56:37 <JohnTHaller> did you click the PA icno in the systray to reshow the menu?
01:56:47 <daBomb69> yes
01:56:58 <JohnTHaller> you should then see a small popup in the center of the screen. it may get lost if you have other windows up
01:57:03 <JohnTHaller> it's tiny
01:57:44 <daBomb69> Nothing, i'll try it again
01:57:56 <JohnTHaller> you sure you're using the new release2?
01:57:59 <daBomb69> Yes
01:58:14 <JohnTHaller> alright... nevermind. close PAP, kill the installer, delete the last test EXE
01:58:23 <JohnTHaller> and now try this one: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/3/PortableAppsPlatform.exe
01:58:39 <JohnTHaller> Place that in X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com and run it. Then try and run an installer
01:59:39 <Gizmokid2005> still hangs
01:59:50 <Gizmokid2005> but the menu is usable now
01:59:59 <JohnTHaller> damn, I don't even have it doing anything.... ok, one more test...
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02:00:29 <ChrisMorgan> So is the problem here that the call from the installer to the platform ain't working?
02:00:35 <daBomb69> I can't get the right side of the menu to do anything at all
02:00:44 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't tried anything newer than 1.2 RC2 yet... :-(
02:01:10 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: it doesn't refresh the menu this time either.
02:01:18 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: yes, but please hold other conv
02:01:20 <daBomb69> R we supposed to install throught the menu, or directly?
02:01:28 <JohnTHaller> run it directly.
02:01:40 <daBomb69> ok, good
02:01:51 <JohnTHaller> yeah, i had refresh turned off on that last test
02:02:16 <Gizmokid2005> I figured
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02:02:40 <JohnTHaller> Ok, once more. Close PAP, kill installer, delete test EXE. Now try: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/PortableAppsPlatform.exe
02:03:32 <Gizmokid2005> ok installed and launched
02:03:33 <Gizmokid2005> installing now
02:03:48 <Gizmokid2005> still hangs.
02:04:10 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so it looks like something else on your system is accepting that Windows message and not responding back.
02:04:26 <JohnTHaller> Very bad form and coding... but not much we can do about it from our end.
02:04:44 <JohnTHaller> That last one I gave you isn't even listening for anything.
02:04:45 <Gizmokid2005> the menu didn't refresh, and it does respond still on this revision
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02:05:06 <daBomb69> yeah, this one responds, does not refreash, but app install still hangs
02:05:17 <Gizmokid2005> exactly as daBomb69 said JohnTHaller
02:06:29 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Just to make sure we can get the installers working... browse to X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\App\PortableAppsPlatform.exe and rename it to PortableAppsPlatformOld.exe
02:06:59 <Gizmokid2005> done
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02:07:11 <pabot> JacobMastel is an ameture AHK coder. If you need/want a script ask him he might do it for ya ;)
02:07:25 <daBomb69> ok
02:07:41 <JohnTHaller> then try installing an app
02:07:46 <Gizmokid2005> ok
02:07:49 <JohnTHaller> it shouldn't hang
02:08:16 <Gizmokid2005> hmmm...I may have found another issue
02:08:17 <Gizmokid2005> h/o
02:08:35 <daBomb69> Nope, doesn't hang when installing w/o menu in existance
02:08:50 <Gizmokid2005> exactly
02:08:53 <Gizmokid2005> same here JohnTHaller
02:09:01 <Gizmokid2005> and it DOES refresh
02:09:07 <JohnTHaller> wait, what?
02:09:14 <JohnTHaller> it can't possibly
02:09:15 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: it does EXACTLY as it should.
02:09:22 <Gizmokid2005> I'm going to try one more time
02:09:28 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005: The menu, or the app?
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02:09:36 <Gizmokid2005> hang on
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02:09:54 <Gizmokid2005> menu is running...installing cornice portable, no item in the menu or in the folder list
02:09:57 <Gizmokid2005> starting installer
02:09:59 <JacobMastel> When I install a new app I get a hang of about 5-15 seconds (depending on the app), and the instller says refreshing menu. But it's no big deal I don't get a not responding message or anything..
02:10:07 <Gizmokid2005> installed.
02:10:15 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm...no refresh this time.
02:10:18 <JohnTHaller> yeah, it doesn't appear, I just checked
02:10:18 <Gizmokid2005> but no HANG either
02:10:26 <JohnTHaller> JacobMastel: I know, the menu is refreshing during that time
02:10:57 <JacobMastel> I thought someone was saying that was what the problem was sorry shuting up..
02:12:28 <daBomb69> I'm getting the same results as Gizmokid2005
02:12:47 <JohnTHaller> Ok. ditch your last test EXE
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02:13:16 <JohnTHaller> Rename X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\App\PortableAppsPlatformOld.exe and remove old
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02:13:24 <JohnTHaller> same with X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\PortableAppsPlatformOld.exe
02:13:44 <daBomb69> So, get rid of all of our PAPs
02:13:59 <ChrisMorgan> No, rename from PAPOld to PAP
02:14:09 <daBomb69> oh
02:15:07 <Gizmokid2005> done
02:15:14 <JohnTHaller> basically we're switching back to the standard 1.5 platform layout with original EXEs in both places
02:15:16 <daBomb69> ok
02:16:02 <JohnTHaller> Delete Cornice from your current setup. Start up PAP. Then download and run this: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST.paf.exe
02:16:42 <daBomb69> Run directly
02:17:08 <JohnTHaller> yes
02:17:15 <daBomb69> kk
02:17:57 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: With us?
02:18:16 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yeah, hang on...FF died.
02:18:42 * daBomb69 is just using Free Download Manager
02:18:43 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST.paf.exe download and run that installer. it should refresh the menu and not hang
02:18:49 <JohnTHaller> it's 4.5MB
02:18:58 <daBomb69> It hangs
02:19:02 <JohnTHaller> be sure you deleted cornice and it's not in your menu, too
02:19:21 <Gizmokid2005> works for me
02:19:34 <JohnTHaller> Cornice installed and your menu refreshed?
02:19:49 <Gizmokid2005> Yup.
02:19:51 <Gizmokid2005> works perfect
02:19:55 <Gizmokid2005> no lag either on the refresh
02:19:58 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: please go back over the steps I laid out
02:20:22 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Yeah, I set it to timeout after 1s. So whatever other window on your PC is holding it up can't.
02:20:34 <Gizmokid2005> worked perfect for me JohnTHaller
02:20:36 <Gizmokid2005> brb
02:21:17 * daBomb69 is still getting hangs, and, now menu won't popup at all:(
02:21:17 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Kill the installer. Close PAP. Make sure you're back to the original PAP 1.5 stuff (reinstall the 1.5 platform if need be). Download and install my special Cornice (not the official release from the main site). http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST.paf.exe
02:21:31 <JohnTHaller> Kill it and close it all daBomb69 before starting any of it
02:21:38 <JohnTHaller> and check task manager to make sure all is dead
02:22:25 <ChrisMorgan> In short murder it all :P
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02:24:03 <JohnTHaller> so Gizmokid2005, is your menu ok after the install and it refreshed? both sides of it work?
02:24:13 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yup
02:24:16 <Gizmokid2005> works as expected
02:24:40 <JohnTHaller> Ok, cool. That's what I thought.
02:24:44 <Gizmokid2005> yup
02:24:44 <Gizmokid2005> thanks JohnTHaller
02:24:48 <Gizmokid2005> I'm off to bed now
02:24:52 <Gizmokid2005> just let me know if you need anything else
02:24:55 <JohnTHaller> Would still love to know what on your system is hanging onto that windows messsage
02:24:55 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I presume that you changed a bit of the code in the installer where the message is sent?
02:25:03 <Gizmokid2005> I would too
02:25:17 <JohnTHaller> no, thanks a lot, man. I have a way to update the platform to disable the send for current installers and work for newer ones.
02:25:23 <JohnTHaller> and yeah, it requires an installer fix
02:25:26 <Gizmokid2005> anytime JohnTHaller :)
02:25:31 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: you believe that it's an isolated issue, not a widespread problem?
02:25:45 * daBomb69 has redone EVERYTHING, and still gets the hang
02:25:46 <daBomb69> :(
02:25:49 <JohnTHaller> relatively isolated. i couldn't reproduce it no matter what I did on 3 OSes and two PCs
02:25:57 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Let'
02:26:05 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Interesting
02:26:16 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: let's start from scratch because it shouldn't lechnically be possible
02:26:17 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: it'd be nice if at some point you'd comment on the Delphi extensions/things which won't work with FreePascal that PAP uses at http://portableapps.com/node/18088#comment-113831
02:26:23 <daBomb69> ok
02:27:00 <JohnTHaller> close PAP, kill the installer, check task manager for any running installers or platform instances and kill them
02:28:03 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: It's incompatible code. Turbo Pascal doesn't let you install add-ons like that on purpose (to make you buy the real one). And Free Pascal doesn't support them.
02:28:25 <JohnTHaller> but let's leave that til later, i have to ensure this works with daBomb69. it's holding up a platform release
02:28:32 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, that's what I thought.
02:28:51 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I've got to go now :-(... bye, cul84
02:28:54 <ChrisMorgan> *cul8r
02:28:56 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: you with me? all closed, killed and ensured not running in task manager?
02:29:12 <daBomb69> Closed, killed, and, to be sure, I'm Reinstalling PAP 1.5
02:29:25 <daBomb69> to be 110% I've got the right PAP
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02:29:55 <JohnTHaller> Ok.
02:30:34 <JohnTHaller> Once you're done. Start up the platform. Then download and run this: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST.paf.exe
02:30:42 <JohnTHaller> Don't use the standfard COrnice installer (it'll still hang)
02:33:24 <daBomb69> The menu refreashed (And showed the new Cornice), the menu works perfectly, but the installer still hangs:(
02:34:14 <JohnTHaller> You're doing something wrong then. It couldn't possibly refresh or hang.
02:34:40 <daBomb69> Here's EXACTLY what i did
02:35:04 <JohnTHaller> Are you sure you only have a single install of the platform anywhere on your system?
02:35:23 <daBomb69> Hold on, I'll check
02:37:18 * daBomb69 feels EXTREAMLY stupid, he had 1.1 on D: drive:'(
02:37:37 <JacobMastel-Away> LMAO
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02:37:42 <JohnTHaller> Where were you installing to?
02:37:51 <daBomb69> Installing to L:
02:38:00 <daBomb69> Killed D: now trying
02:38:20 <JohnTHaller> Was PAP 1.5 on L in root. And installing Cornice to L:\PortableApps\CornicePortable?
02:38:27 <daBomb69> Yes
02:39:28 <JohnTHaller> Was the 1.1 platform running or anything?
02:39:33 <daBomb69> No
02:39:58 <JohnTHaller> Are you sure you weren't installing to D:? The installer would have defaulted to D:\Portableapps...
02:40:11 <daBomb69> No, it defaulted to L
02:40:20 <JohnTHaller> where was 1.1 installed on d?
02:40:45 <daBomb69> D: portable apps\something else\portableappsmenu
02:40:54 <JohnTHaller> ah ok
02:41:08 <JohnTHaller> Well, let's do this one step at a time, please... just to be absolutely sure, ok?
02:42:50 <daBomb69> Ok, PAP has been killed, installer is dead, there is only 1 PAP/PAM on my computer, it's the released version, the Special Cornice is ready to install.
02:43:13 <JohnTHaller> Just bare with me... 1. Close kill or whatever all PAP and installer instances
02:43:17 <daBomb69> ok
02:43:26 <dragonmage> John, this may have something to do with a cheap usb extension cable I'm using but it may pertain to this problem...
02:43:48 <JohnTHaller> dragonmage: please hold
02:44:02 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: 2. Reinstall PAP 1.5
02:44:28 <JohnTHaller> (i know it's annoying, but please bare with me)
02:44:40 <daBomb69> Ok, install to L: right
02:44:45 <JohnTHaller> Yes
02:44:56 <daBomb69> installing'
02:45:04 <JohnTHaller> don't launch it yet
02:45:10 <daBomb69> ok
02:45:45 <JohnTHaller> When done installing, browse to L:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com, right click on PortableAppsPlatform.exe and go to properties. Tell me the Created Date.
02:46:28 <daBomb69> Friday, March 06, 2009, 10:16:32 AM
02:46:45 <JohnTHaller> Ok, good. Start up the platform. Run PortableAppsPlatform.exe directly
02:47:28 <daBomb69> ok
02:47:35 <JohnTHaller> Is Cornice showing?
02:47:41 <daBomb69> No.
02:47:44 <JohnTHaller> Ok, good.
02:47:47 * daBomb69 deleated cornice
02:48:01 <JohnTHaller> Now find that special cornice installer. Right-click on it, select properties and tell me the created date
02:48:13 <daBomb69> Today, March 10, 2009, 9:24:57 PM
02:48:58 <JohnTHaller> ok. try running it. see if it hangs.... note that I *expect it might*
02:50:09 <daBomb69> Hang:(
02:50:12 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Are you still here?
02:50:21 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Don't worry, it's MY fault
02:50:25 <JohnTHaller> ... i think...
02:50:28 <daBomb69> ok
02:50:49 <JohnTHaller> Kill the installer. Delete CornicePortable directory. Close and repoen PAP.
02:50:59 <JohnTHaller> Then grab this new one and install it: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST2.paf.exe
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02:53:51 <daBomb69> installing
02:54:30 <daBomb69> Hang... again:'(
02:54:44 <JohnTHaller> installer says refreshing the menu?
02:54:56 <daBomb69> yup
02:55:07 <daBomb69> DONE!!
02:55:11 <daBomb69> It worked!!!!
02:55:14 <daBomb69> :D:D:D:D
02:55:53 <JacobMastel> Horray! :D
02:56:03 <daBomb69> So, what was wrong with the other installers?
02:56:11 <JohnTHaller> did it only pause for about a second or longer?
02:56:27 <daBomb69> about a minute in refreash time
02:56:49 <JohnTHaller> hmm... run it again for me and time it if you could from the moment you see the message until it appears ok
02:57:18 <JohnTHaller> (btw - thank you for being patient through all this mess)
02:57:46 <daBomb69> Well, it's worth it to get the PAP menu working:D
02:58:02 <daBomb69> should i restart PAP?
02:58:11 <JohnTHaller> nope. just rerun the installer
02:58:15 <daBomb69> ok
02:58:33 <daBomb69> Do you have a sugestion for a timer?
02:58:39 <JohnTHaller> rough estimate
02:58:42 <daBomb69> ok
02:58:47 <JohnTHaller> count it out is fine.
03:00:16 <daBomb69> About a minute
03:00:29 <JohnTHaller> really odd.
03:00:35 <JohnTHaller> what else is running on your system at the moment?
03:00:43 <JohnTHaller> and what's your CPU load in task manager
03:02:12 <daBomb69> Right now, i'm running Pidgin Portable, OO.o, Safari, CPU load is System Idle Process at 95-99, so nothing much happening, but i think it might be the AV.
03:02:34 <JohnTHaller> hmmm... ok... I have another test build: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST3.paf.exe
03:02:43 <JohnTHaller> this one should hang. but should give additional info when it does
03:03:06 <daBomb69> oh, ok
03:05:47 <JohnTHaller> got it or still dling?
03:06:02 <daBomb69> at the hang
03:06:34 <JohnTHaller> What is the info it lists just before refreshing
03:06:36 <daBomb69> and, theres like no CPU load, so its not that
03:06:39 <JohnTHaller> there should be 3 lines of it
03:06:47 <JohnTHaller> click details
03:06:48 <daBomb69> it says
03:07:06 <daBomb69> MessageStr: PortableApps.comPlatformWindowMessageToRefreshL:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\App\PortableAppsPlatform.exe
03:07:06 <daBomb69> Message: 49576
03:07:06 <daBomb69> Refreshing PortableApps.com Menu
03:07:13 <daBomb69> thats the bottum three lines
03:07:26 <JohnTHaller> Ok, that makes sense
03:07:35 <daBomb69> what does it mean?
03:07:49 <JohnTHaller> It's the internal stuff used to communicate between the apps
03:07:52 <daBomb69> oh
03:08:09 <daBomb69> So, my apps arn't playing nicely with each other?
03:08:25 <JohnTHaller> Something else is hanging it. Doesn't matter what, though, we need to deal with it.
03:08:32 <daBomb69> oh, ok
03:09:25 <JohnTHaller> Ok, up for one more/
03:09:28 <daBomb69> ok
03:09:37 <daBomb69> but, this one is still hanging
03:09:40 <daBomb69> kill it?
03:09:40 <JohnTHaller> Ok, kill installer, delete CornicePoratble, restart PAP
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03:10:34 <daBomb69> Hold one just a sec. brb
03:10:41 <JohnTHaller> Ok.
03:11:38 <JohnTHaller> Lemme know when you're back
03:12:09 <daBomb69> back
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03:12:23 <JohnTHaller> PAP up with no cornice, right?
03:12:28 <alpha1beta> hello
03:12:44 <JohnTHaller> alpha1beta: hang on... big platform testing of a bug going on
03:13:00 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: PAP up with no Cornice right?
03:13:04 <alpha1beta> oh, tell me if you need a hand, I'll see if I can test
03:13:08 <daBomb69> yup
03:13:14 <JohnTHaller> Ok, DL and run this: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST4.paf.exe
03:13:48 <daBomb69> Page Not Found (404 Error)
03:14:10 <JohnTHaller> Oh, wait...
03:14:17 <daBomb69> nvm, there now
03:14:22 <JohnTHaller> No
03:14:23 <JohnTHaller> WAIT
03:14:27 <daBomb69> oh
03:14:35 <daBomb69> ok
03:15:53 <JohnTHaller> DL and run this: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST5.paf.exe
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03:18:06 <daBomb69> Hang:(
03:18:26 <JohnTHaller> how long so far?
03:18:41 <daBomb69> at least a minute
03:18:49 <daBomb69> i think more than that
03:19:19 <daBomb69> so, the TIMEOUT IS 0 thing apperently didn't work:(
03:19:33 <JohnTHaller> Ok... one more thing...
03:19:40 <JohnTHaller> Kill installer, delete cornice, restart PAP
03:20:20 <JohnTHaller> and then DL and run this: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/4/Cornice_Portable_0.6.1.2TEST6.paf.exe
03:21:53 <daBomb69> Wow, that worked great!!
03:22:04 <JohnTHaller> did cornice show up in the menu?
03:22:13 <daBomb69> yes
03:22:18 <JohnTHaller> Ok, that did it
03:22:27 <daBomb69> what did u do?
03:22:27 <alpha1beta> yay!
03:22:29 <JohnTHaller> apparently it interprets a timeout of zero as no timeout
03:22:34 <daBomb69> oh
03:22:34 <JohnTHaller> so I set it to 1 millisecond
03:22:48 <daBomb69> wow. How do you set it as that?
03:23:03 <JohnTHaller> since 1 second took 1 minute on your box for some reason, 1ms was still instantaneous as it would be for anyone else
03:23:15 <daBomb69> oh, yay!
03:23:42 <daBomb69> So, do u now have to edit all the apps to one milisecond?
03:24:36 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so that should fix it for others. I can update the platform in 1.5.1 to disable the auto-refresh for current installers. New installers we roll out will be updated to work with it and autorefresh.
03:24:48 <daBomb69> yay
03:25:27 <JohnTHaller> Bit annoying, unfortunately :-(
03:25:34 <daBomb69> oh
03:25:35 <daBomb69> true
03:25:44 <JohnTHaller> Wish there were some way to determine WHAT it is
03:25:48 <JohnTHaller> What antivirus do you use?
03:25:59 <daBomb69> Windows Live One Care
03:26:07 <JohnTHaller> Ew
03:26:19 <alpha1beta> my thoughts exactly!
03:26:31 <JohnTHaller> Can you temporarily disable it and try the regular cornice installer just to test?
03:26:38 <daBomb69> Actually, it works better than both Norton or McAffe.
03:26:41 <daBomb69> and sure
03:27:30 <daBomb69> Install the regular Cornice
03:27:48 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, disable onecare and try the regular cornice installer to see if it hangs
03:28:12 <daBomb69> DLing it now
03:30:23 <daBomb69> AV off, installing now
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03:31:00 <daBomb69> hang
03:31:22 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so it ain't your AV
03:31:28 <JohnTHaller> What else is in your task manager?
03:34:53 <daBomb69> Windows processes, the currantly running apps, java, a bunch a svchost.exe
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03:35:32 <daBomb69> Did PAP 1.5 have the Font thing?
03:35:53 <JohnTHaller> if you don't mind, close off all apps, kill java and anything else extra. then try it again
03:38:11 <daBomb69> ok
03:38:20 <daBomb69> now trying again
03:39:59 <daBomb69> hanf
03:40:01 <daBomb69> *hang
03:40:14 <daBomb69> hang over
03:40:24 <alpha1beta> been drinking much lol
03:40:33 <daBomb69> XD
03:41:09 <daBomb69> Well, now it's an EXTREAMLY small hang:D
03:41:20 <JohnTHaller> You mean it winds up finishing?
03:41:32 <daBomb69> Yes, it finishes, but with a lag
03:41:46 <daBomb69> it sloooooooooowly finishes
03:42:05 * daBomb69 will install once more
03:42:36 <JohnTHaller> alright... something on your PC is definitely interfering with that system message... just not sure what it ios
03:44:08 <daBomb69> no hang:D:D
03:44:25 <JohnTHaller> heh.. very odd indeed
03:44:48 <daBomb69> Well, fixed now!
03:45:03 <daBomb69> Although the 1 millisecond one was faster
03:45:16 <JohnTHaller> not for everybody, though. I'm gonna pack up a 1.5.1 RC now...
03:45:32 <daBomb69> So, wats different between 1.5 and 1.5.1?
03:46:08 <ZachThibeau> local files afaik
03:46:22 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller: Thanks for the help:D
03:46:48 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Thank you so much for working through all that with me
03:46:59 <daBomb69> your welcome:D
03:47:16 <daBomb69> That was very interesting
03:47:18 <JohnTHaller> 1.5.1 will disable refreshing from the current installer but enable it from the next installer. and it fixes some locale issues
03:47:32 <ZachThibeau> I was half right :P
03:47:34 <daBomb69> The chinese task coach thing?
03:50:02 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Yea
03:50:07 <daBomb69> ok
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03:50:31 <alpha1beta> Wb Patrick
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03:54:41 <alpha1beta> hey Duz can we help you?
03:55:38 <Duz> I need a copy of autorun.inf because my desapear
03:56:15 <Duz> How i doing a new autorun,inf ?
03:56:16 <JohnTHaller> you can just run the PortableApps.com Platform 1.5 installer again. It won't hurt anything
03:56:28 <JohnTHaller> and if you don't have it it's only a 1MB download
03:56:47 <Duz> i have 8gb
03:57:47 <Duz> but... and my apps, i lose?
03:58:04 <alpha1beta> nope
03:58:22 <JohnTHaller> nope. it's just the menu, backup, custom folders, etc.
03:58:32 <JohnTHaller> You're running Platform 1.5 now? Or Maybe 1.1?
03:59:22 <alpha1beta> if your running 1 or 1.1, upgrade to the new Portableapps platform (replaced the PAM) which is at 1.5 and has a awesome new theme
04:01:01 <Duz> ok , and about new theme , where i found skins other colors, customizable?
04:01:38 <alpha1beta> right now, there's no themes for it yet, but JohnTHaller correct me if I'm wrong, but the old themes should still work with it (right?)
04:02:59 <JohnTHaller> No, the old themes do not currently work with 1.5. It was a quick release for a trade show. The 2.0 release will have a theme switcher and 5 official themes when it is released in a couple weeks. First test release is coming shortly. Just working on a 1.5 bug first.
04:03:44 <alpha1beta> oh wow, so what modifications would you need to turn a 1.1 theme into a 1.5 theme, or is it not possible?
04:03:58 <JohnTHaller> comvert the BMPs to PNGs
04:04:30 <alpha1beta> that's easy enough, so themers should do that? or wait up til 2.0 final?
04:05:05 <JohnTHaller> wait
04:05:17 <alpha1beta> ok, thanks John
04:05:28 <JohnTHaller> we're gonna discuss theme format this week. there is already a thread in the forums
04:05:34 <Duz> hey how i convert other apps portables to .paf.exe?
04:05:47 <JohnTHaller> Duz: You can install other non-PAF apps in the Menu.
04:05:59 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
04:06:08 <alpha1beta> damn, beat me to it :P
04:06:22 <JohnTHaller> But for developers wanting to create PAF apps, we have the specs installer, etc here: http://portableapps.com/development
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04:09:53 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPatience: I'm putting together an RC of 1.5.1 which fixes the locale issue that crashes task coach among other things
04:10:32 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller: when u release1.5.1 it'l be on the home page, right
04:11:26 <JohnTHaller> yea
04:11:32 <daBomb69> ok, thnx
04:15:12 <JohnTHaller> hey, daBomb69 can you test one more thing for me?
04:15:17 <daBomb69> sure
04:15:26 <JohnTHaller> You have the 1.5 platform up and running/
04:15:31 <daBomb69> yes
04:15:38 <JohnTHaller> click off it to another window (so the menu hides)
04:15:45 <daBomb69> ok
04:15:51 <JohnTHaller> then browse to L:\ and run StartPortableApps.exe and see what happens
04:16:21 <daBomb69> the menu poped open
04:16:25 <JohnTHaller> Ok
04:16:35 <JohnTHaller> odd. same method that it uses to tell the menu to refresh
04:17:11 <daBomb69> Oh, really?
04:18:01 <daBomb69> Well, after running it, menu pops up in under 5 seconds
04:19:38 <JohnTHaller> install still working for unmodded cornice installer/
04:20:05 <daBomb69> ice is still working
04:20:09 <daBomb69> *Cornice
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04:30:16 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Sweet, thanks.
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05:09:41 <Athenon> http://portableapps.com/node/10907 <---- the download link doesnt work :(
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05:18:49 <pabot> upnPAD wants Code::Blocks, Inkscape, XChat, X-Moto, and Chris Morgan Portable. His website is http://www.upnpad.com/.
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05:25:26 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
05:30:00 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, doncha love it when a teacher uses the handouts from last year and 2 of the 4 links from which you are to get all your information don't work at all because of a site redisign...
05:30:48 <ChrisMorgan> Foiled... they're on web.archive.org :-(
05:31:17 <ChrisMorgan> oh, the first one didn't work either :D
05:37:38 <ChrisMorgan> So... http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/liberta/AutoStart/src/deveject.cpp?revision=35&view=markup line 146 holds its key to USB ejection
05:39:34 <Athenon> http://portableapps.com/node/10907 <---- the download link doesnt work :(
05:40:03 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: ping!
05:40:15 <ChrisMorgan> oh, wait
05:40:20 <ChrisMorgan> Athenon: it's now a Pre-Release
05:40:36 <Athenon> What does that mean? XD
05:40:54 <ChrisMorgan> It means http://portableapps.com/node/15971 :-)
05:41:01 <ChrisMorgan> Closer to official release
05:41:24 <Athenon> heck yes
05:41:30 <Athenon> i love xchat :P
05:41:37 <Athenon> do i need my license file for the portable to work?
05:41:41 <PatrickPatience> Hey.
05:41:49 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry PatrickPatience
05:41:56 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean by that Athenon?
05:42:10 <PatrickPatience> Athenon: No.
05:42:15 <Athenon> ok cool
05:42:40 <PatrickPatience> Athenon: This is a publicly compiled build using the open source code.
05:42:48 <Athenon> ahh, ok
05:43:00 <Athenon> i did legally purchase it...so i was just wondering :P
05:43:18 <ChrisMorgan> oh that thingy
05:43:41 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon I'd describe the XChat/X-Chat story as "murky"...
05:43:43 <ChrisMorgan> pity
05:43:51 <PatrickPatience> If you do happen to have an officially purchased copy, you can try copying C:\Program Files\X-Chat\* to X:\PortableApps\XChatPortable\App\XChat\*
05:44:05 <PatrickPatience> First deleting all files in the latter directory. As that build is behind a few releases.
05:44:10 <PatrickPatience> And a notable one for Windows.
05:44:28 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: what's the difference?
05:44:40 <Athenon> yeah. thats what i was about to ask :P
05:45:42 <PatrickPatience> ChrisMorgan: Nothing... all his code is open source. However, since the compiling process is so long and tedious, the official build is like 25 bucks and those that provides 3rd-party build do it infrequently.
05:45:42 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: is http://google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#zMTHZro4T5c/jvcl/common/CfgMgr32.pas&q=CM_Request_Device_EjectW any use for a Delphi device ejection basis of some sort?
05:45:54 <ChrisMorgan> :/
05:46:01 <PatrickPatience> And I heard purple saying something about the new version being GTK-independent... and payed version only.
05:46:06 <PatrickPatience> I really have no idea what's going on.
05:46:08 <ChrisMorgan> So why would you buy it?
05:46:19 <ChrisMorgan> OK, even murkier than I thought!
05:46:22 <PatrickPatience> ChrisMorgan: I don't know... I just don't.
05:46:32 <PatrickPatience> Not knowing it's open source...?
05:46:36 <PatrickPatience> Supporting the developer.
05:46:58 <ChrisMorgan> When it's made so difficult and all that, I wonder whether I'd even want to support the developer...
05:47:10 <PatrickPatience> I'd rather donate 25 bucks then spend 25 bucks on purchasing a 'license' for open source software.
05:47:11 <PatrickPatience> It's wierd... and has quite a few legal issues.
05:47:13 <PatrickPatience> .wik xchat
05:47:15 <pabot> "XChat, commonly written X-Chat or xchat, is a popular Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xchat
05:47:32 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, me too
05:47:36 <PatrickPatience> Haha, yes! http://www.silverex.org/news/
05:47:40 <PatrickPatience> Good freakin' timing.
05:48:18 <PatrickPatience> Man, I'll try to fix that puppy up tomorrow evening.
05:48:43 <PatrickPatience> Wait... what.
05:48:47 <PatrickPatience> Still behind in versions.
05:48:49 <PatrickPatience> I have no idea.
05:49:25 <PatrickPatience> I bet he closed of the source or something bizarre like that.
05:49:44 <ChrisMorgan> idunno
05:51:45 <PatrickPatience> http://www.xchat.org/files/source/2.8/
05:51:45 <PatrickPatience> That wasn't very nice of him.
05:52:11 <PatrickPatience> He just throws himself at more and more legal issues.
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05:52:33 <ChrisMorgan> Huh? Why not very nice?
05:52:39 <Athenon_> coming to you live off my jumpdrive
05:52:39 <Athenon_> XD
05:52:46 <Athenon_> with my licensed version btw ;P
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05:52:51 <PatrickPatience> ChrisMorgan: Check out the latest tarball version.
05:53:00 <PatrickPatience> Heh, that can't be good.
05:53:00 <ChrisMorgan> Download it?
05:53:04 <ChrisMorgan> No, can't do that now
05:53:09 <PatrickPatience> No, it's a previous version.
05:53:20 <Athenon> works great. awesome. now i just gotta set putty up to tunnel ;P
05:53:21 <ChrisMorgan> It is almost a year old...
05:53:25 <PatrickPatience> Seems like he stopped posting the source after 2.8.6
05:53:31 <PatrickPatience> ChrisMorgan: Yeah.
05:53:40 <ChrisMorgan> uh oh... ttk. (time to kill)
05:54:00 <PatrickPatience> Unfortauntely it has a couple instabilities.
05:54:13 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh*
05:54:25 <PatrickPatience> Such as the mentioned tray-icon crashing. My portable version should have fixed that, I thought the plugin was enabled and tray icon disabled.
05:54:34 <PatrickPatience> Apparently not according to scriptdaemon
05:54:47 <PatrickPatience> I'll see how she's running, haven't used it in a while.
05:55:01 <PatrickPatience> Which I should, as I'm on so many server these days.
06:00:29 <JohnTHaller> man this installer-platform link is annoying
06:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
06:00:54 <ChrisMorgan> Device ejection is playing second fiddle atm I guess :P
06:00:56 <JohnTHaller> i've got it... just a lot of work to handle possible scenarios
06:01:13 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
06:01:15 <JohnTHaller> considering we have a bug that causes app installers to hang... yes
06:01:19 <PatrickPatience> Patrick Patience be partin' PortableApps.com party place. Peacout perky people. Phosphorescence be pestering ma picky peeves.
06:01:42 <ChrisMorgan> pgoodbye ppatrick ppatience
06:01:53 <PatrickPatience> Pah!
06:02:10 <PatrickPatience> Peachy.
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06:02:54 <ChrisMorgan> humph.
06:10:22 <ChrisMorgan> Hey! http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;165721 looks good for intricate details on how to eject a device :-)
06:13:01 <ChrisMorgan> cfgmgr32.pas should also be needed
06:13:15 <ChrisMorgan> To do it in Delphi, anyhow
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06:21:10 <ChrisMorgan> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.withopf.com%2Ftools%2Fdeveject%2F&langpair=de|en (German: http://www.withopf.com/tools/deveject/) seems to be OK
06:21:32 <ChrisMorgan> Problem is I don't happen to want to test it atm :P
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06:29:45 <ChrisMorgan> ouch... DevEject listing includes my USB disk and: "'Plug and Play Monitor' 'DISPLAY\PHL0818\5&E9627F0&0&22446688&02&00' [REMOVEABLE]"
06:29:53 <ChrisMorgan> Wonder what'd happen if I did that... :/
06:31:02 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I reckon that when it comes to device ejection, DevEject is pretty good. Only problem, license unspecified, no indication, just a line in the cpp file // (c) 2003-07 Matthias Withopf
06:31:42 <ChrisMorgan> And you just run it "DevEject.exe -EjectDrive:X:"... the only problem is not leaving it behind, you'd need to have something special to do that
06:32:08 <ChrisMorgan> e.g. NSIS installers do it (especially uninstallers, which copy themselves to TEMP first and then kill it all afterwards)
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06:46:06 <ChrisMorgan> Hey! http://quick.mixnmojo.com/software#usbdiskeject is written in Pascal!
06:46:23 <sar3th|linux> heya ChrisMorgan
06:46:34 <ChrisMorgan> /And/ it has a command-line argument /REMOVETHIS...
06:46:49 <ChrisMorgan> No word on license, though... or source code easily visible...
06:47:45 <ChrisMorgan> Though it does have the disclaimer "The software is provided "as-is" and without warranty of any kind, express, implied or otherwise, including without limitation, any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. In no event shall the initial developer or any other contributor be liable for any special, incidental, indirect or consequential damages of any kind, or any damages whatsoever result
06:49:27 <JohnTHaller> PortableApps.com Platform 1.5.1 RC1: http://portableapps.com/node/18475 Please test ASAP
06:49:39 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, can't test today :-(
06:49:54 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: we should contact the dev on licensing
06:49:57 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I'm going to ask the USB Device Ejector author what the licensing is
06:50:04 <ChrisMorgan> I'm in the middle of it :-)
06:50:14 <ChrisMorgan> In Pascal, that'd make it even easier to integrate
06:50:45 <JohnTHaller> it'll be sep probably
06:51:01 <JohnTHaller> we'd compile it to a simple eject so it could run from temp and delete itself
06:51:17 <ChrisMorgan> It can already to that with /REMOVETHIS
06:51:39 <ChrisMorgan> In my opinion, all you would want is possibly to remove the GUI and excess junk and leave just teh REMOVETHIS functionality
06:53:38 <sar3th|linux> http://www.uwe-sieber.de/drivetools_e.html
06:56:39 <ChrisMorgan> RemoveDrive is Freeware.
06:56:41 <ChrisMorgan> Allowed:
06:56:43 <ChrisMorgan> - usage in any environment, including commercial
06:56:45 <ChrisMorgan> - include in software products, including commercial
06:56:52 <JohnTHaller> but can't host on SF
06:56:55 <ChrisMorgan> Not allowed: changing any of the files
06:56:56 <JohnTHaller> so nope
06:57:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it's the licensing. The reason I looked more at the Q&E solution was because its disclaimer looks like the GPL one, and they haven't specified the license
06:57:52 <sar3th|linux> k, just thought it might be helpful (the code part)
06:58:05 <ChrisMorgan> Except it's closed source
06:58:10 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: "Hi! I'm one of the PortableApps.com developers. We would like to use USB Disk Ejector in the PortableApps.com Platform to improve our "eject" functionality, which currently just loads the Windows ejection dialogue box. What is the license of USB Disk Ejector? If it's open source, e.g. GPL, we'd like to use it. It's just that you don't specify what it is on the website."
06:58:15 <ChrisMorgan> How's that?
06:58:24 <JohnTHaller> sure
06:58:47 <ChrisMorgan> ok, sent
07:00:09 <ChrisMorgan> Wonder whether I'll get an answer.
07:00:19 <ChrisMorgan> Or whether they'll be like Sun and never respond... :-(
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07:02:22 <dragonmage> hi all
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07:03:53 <dragonmage> John, Rainy put up another test of Rainmeter today that fixed the free\used space for removable drives
07:04:17 * rmccue now has WinMerge and Songbird to update :/
07:06:15 <ChrisMorgan> Hey, news: source code *is* available for USB Disk Ejector!
07:06:25 <ChrisMorgan> It was hidden at the bottom of the page... :-(
07:06:33 <dragonmage> how's the new Songbird running ryan?
07:06:49 <ChrisMorgan> "All... should work with Delphi 7"
07:07:09 <ChrisMorgan> http://quick.mixnmojo.com/files/source/USBDiskEjector1.1Source.zip
07:07:17 <sar3th|linux> ChrisMorgan: i was talking about http://www.codeproject.com/KB/system/RemoveDriveByLetter.aspx
07:07:33 <ChrisMorgan> Whereas I wasn't ever at all :P
07:07:40 <ChrisMorgan> ah well.
07:09:45 <ChrisMorgan> So, source code is found, but still not license - whew, my email won't make me look silly :P
07:10:24 <dragonmage> nah, the email didn't do it...
07:10:29 <dragonmage> :P
07:11:04 <sar3th|linux> since i speak delphi, i'd like to help out at this one
07:11:19 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: USB Disk Ejector has a component of unknown origin according to the readme... so impossible to license
07:11:37 <rmccue> dragonmage: It's not.
07:11:53 <dragonmage> eh?
07:11:53 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, just noted that :-(
07:12:04 <JohnTHaller> alright. i got the fix up for the app installer hang, locale issues (toucan crash) and the backup crash in german. i need sleep now
07:12:39 <dragonmage> let me get you guys' advice while you are here
07:12:41 <ChrisMorgan> goodnight JohnTHaller :-)
07:12:52 <sar3th|linux> sleep well JohnTHaller
07:13:01 <rmccue> Bye JohnTHaller, I hardly knew ye. :P
07:13:08 <dragonmage> I'm thinking of pafing Rainmeter
07:13:17 <dragonmage> night John
07:13:51 <dragonmage> so, Rainmeter looks in it's directory for the Skins driectory
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07:14:46 <ChrisMorgan> http://quick.mixnmojo.com/your-opinion-is-sought-usb-disk-ejector-should-be-it-open-sourced
07:14:49 <sar3th|linux> well, gotta go now
07:15:02 <sar3th|linux> time for school :D
07:15:27 <dragonmage> now to properly back Rainmeter up, the whole skins folder would have to be put into \Data right?
07:15:36 <ChrisMorgan> So, if I'd searched, I could have found :-(
07:15:36 <dragonmage> later sar3th|linux
07:15:54 <ChrisMorgan> .tell JohnTHaller http://quick.mixnmojo.com/your-opinion-is-sought-usb-disk-ejector-should-be-it-open-sourced - he discusses the issues there... sorry for using a tell :P
07:15:54 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I'll pass that on when I next see JohnTHaller.
07:16:14 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: It beats using MemoServ :P
07:16:23 <sar3th|linux> ChrisMorgan: i guess uwe sieber won't have a problem with his code being GPL'd..we'd have to ask him
07:16:40 <ChrisMorgan> yeah, maybe we can do his open sourcing for him :P
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07:17:05 <dragonmage> the Skins folder could start to get rather large if people want to keep a lot of configs
07:17:11 <ChrisMorgan> well, goobie evrywun
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07:18:09 <dragonmage> so keeping two copies of the Skins folder might not be a good idea
07:19:09 <dragonmage> and the cow jumped over the moon
07:20:09 <dragonmage> anyone have any opinions
07:23:32 <dragonmage> really? I should try to get Rainy to make it configurable where Rainmeter looks for configs at? So, I can just have it look in \Data\Skins?
07:23:55 <rmccue> Sounds good.
07:23:56 <dragonmage> That's exactly what I was thinking...
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07:24:51 <dragonmage> well, that's the best solution I can think of, to save space
07:25:50 <dragonmage> I don't want to trust the folder being moved back and forth on load and exit
07:26:09 <dragonmage> more risk of data loss
07:28:58 <dragonmage> are there any other apps here that move folders around like that?
07:33:24 <dragonmage> So what were you saying about Songbird rmccue ?
07:33:46 <rmccue> I need to do it :P
07:34:27 <dragonmage> yes, you do :p
07:35:56 <dragonmage> I think I can do Rainmeter, it should be a pretty simple launcher
07:37:11 <dragonmage> but I need to figure out what to do about the Skins folder first
07:38:16 <dragonmage> because that's going to determine how the relative paths to portableapps specific stuff will have to be written in configs
07:42:49 <dragonmage> I wonder if John would put an exception in the autobackup for Rainmeter?
07:42:59 <dragonmage> naaahh
07:43:22 <dragonmage> you know, you guys are tons of help
07:43:29 <rmccue> We know.
07:44:07 <dragonmage> you say so little and yet...
07:44:15 <dragonmage> say so little
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07:47:08 <dragonmage> hey TaffinFoxcroft
07:47:29 <TaffinFoxcroft> hi dragonmage.
07:47:34 <TaffinFoxcroft> anything happening?
07:48:06 <dragonmage> well I'm discussing how I'm think about making Rainmeter portable
07:48:14 <dragonmage> no one else is though
07:48:33 <rmccue> He's discussing with himself.
07:48:44 <TaffinFoxcroft> lulz.
07:49:11 <dragonmage> you know, just bouncin ideas off of me
07:49:32 <TaffinFoxcroft> y rainmeter setup was just showing my downloads (getting PAP 1.5.1) at full, then just stopping all of a sudden
07:49:44 <TaffinFoxcroft> *my
07:49:56 <dragonmage> guess what
07:50:11 <TaffinFoxcroft> what?
07:50:12 <dragonmage> there's a new rainmeter test version...
07:50:18 <TaffinFoxcroft> ORLY?
07:50:35 <dragonmage> actually 2 in the last 2 days :)
07:50:56 * TaffinFoxcroft is on the case
07:51:04 <dragonmage> http://code.google.com/p/rainmeter/
07:51:22 <dragonmage> Rainy fixed a couple issues
07:52:00 <TaffinFoxcroft> yayz! http://code.google.com/p/rainmeter/source/detail?r=18
07:52:01 <dragonmage> it now can properly show free\used space on removable drives. Yay!
07:52:19 <dragonmage> which is that the recyclemanager?
07:52:48 <dragonmage> oh
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07:52:53 <dragonmage> heheh
07:53:01 <dragonmage> the one I mentioned
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07:53:10 <TaffinFoxcroft> nope, rainmeter currently can only show disk statistics for hard drives
07:53:21 <TaffinFoxcroft> but rev. 18 fixed it!
07:53:47 <dragonmage> yeah I know I've been using it for a few hours now :p
07:54:41 <TaffinFoxcroft> you compiled it?
07:55:19 <dragonmage> I have a meter set up for drive P: which is a substitute drive, thx ryan btw for the substitute drive
07:56:13 <dragonmage> no, I downloaded the installer, ran it and copied rainmeter.exe and rainmeter.dll to my portabl
07:56:27 <TaffinFoxcroft> oh, they offer pre-compiled :P
07:56:40 <TaffinFoxcroft> hows the status on rainmeter portable?
07:56:48 <dragonmage> yeah, Rainy is cool like that
07:57:26 <dragonmage> well, I haven't gotten started yet
07:57:46 <dragonmage> I'm trying to figure out what to do about the Skins folder
07:58:15 <TaffinFoxcroft> dont paths in the skins ini work portably?
07:58:38 <dragonmage> kinda
07:59:29 <dragonmage> I can't get them to go to root, they have to go up the proper number of directories
07:59:46 <dragonmage> that's not the issue really
08:00:06 <dragonmage> I've figured out how to make those work
08:00:29 <TaffinFoxcroft> pastebin?
08:00:34 <dragonmage> the issue is backup
08:01:44 <dragonmage> if people start loading the folder up with configs, having to have a copy of the Skins folder in \Data could start to use some space
08:02:28 <TaffinFoxcroft> thats why you could use Rename so that they're shifted instead of copied
08:02:50 <dragonmage> oh?
08:02:59 <TaffinFoxcroft> and then when starting detect if the skins folder is in App\Rainmeter
08:03:05 <dragonmage> how's that work?
08:03:18 <TaffinFoxcroft> Rename can move files, but only on the same drive.
08:03:48 <TaffinFoxcroft> e.g. Rename "$EXEDIR\Data\Skins" "$EXEDIR\App\Rainmeter"
08:04:06 <TaffinFoxcroft> although i'm not sure if it would move it to the right place
08:05:11 <TaffinFoxcroft> (ot) the new rainmeter was the best birthday present ever :D
08:05:47 <dragonmage> it would have to move from RainmeterPortable\App\Rainmeter to RainmeterPortable\Data
08:06:12 <dragonmage> would a rename do that?
08:06:22 <TaffinFoxcroft> yep, but you would replace RainmeterPortable with $EXEDIR
08:07:12 <dragonmage> $EXEDIR meaning the dir of launcher...
08:07:20 <TaffinFoxcroft> yeper
08:07:36 <TaffinFoxcroft> i.e. G:\PortableApps\RainmeterPortable
08:08:22 <dragonmage> would that actually be moving though? like if the power went out while that was happening would the data be lost in transition?
08:09:27 <TaffinFoxcroft> yes, it would. but in a power out or other failure, it would move the half-moved copy back to the app dir so it would move normally next time
08:10:32 <dragonmage> oh, I made a PortableAppsMenu Start Button config btw
08:10:43 <TaffinFoxcroft> nice
08:10:48 <TaffinFoxcroft> pastebin it plz?
08:11:04 <TaffinFoxcroft> it could replace the floating PAMDI thingy in the forums :D
08:11:06 <rmccue> plz kthxbai
08:11:15 <dragonmage> with normal,hover,pressed and even a sound
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08:12:29 <dragonmage> well this version only fits in with my Sputnik configs, I'm gonna rework one that will allow people to use their own images
08:13:00 <TaffinFoxcroft> ah, k
08:13:07 <TaffinFoxcroft> Sputnik configs?
08:13:35 <TaffinFoxcroft> i uses Enigma and GeoSans
08:14:02 <dragonmage> have you ever seen any skins of the Sputnik suite?
08:14:52 <dragonmage> started as a windowblind, winamp, iconpackage, and kept growing
08:15:35 <dragonmage> http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=03112009041737.png
08:15:59 <dragonmage> you'll have to excuse the wb skin, I'm on my gf's account
08:16:36 <TaffinFoxcroft> wb skin looks kinda tacky.
08:17:02 <dragonmage> she likes green
08:17:10 <dragonmage> and doesn't like dark
08:17:17 <TaffinFoxcroft> i do
08:17:37 <TaffinFoxcroft> http://cubegames.net/taneth/uploads/desktop.jpg
08:17:48 <TaffinFoxcroft> ^^ my current desktop
08:18:34 <dragonmage> everything else showing is work in progress rainy configs and a Sputnik skin for mod r34
08:18:52 <dragonmage> all running of flash drive
08:19:00 <dragonmage> off
08:19:31 <dragonmage> oh, and Stickies on the leftsidebar
08:19:46 <dragonmage> hereto referred to as LSB
08:20:12 <TaffinFoxcroft> not bad
08:21:32 <dragonmage> nice, you make those configs?
08:23:14 <dragonmage> See, I made my PAM Start Button quick, it's an actual BUTTON meter which as it turns out you can't move
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08:23:44 <dragonmage> because clicking causes the Action
08:24:04 <dragonmage> So I had to give it a background to move
08:24:27 <dragonmage> brb
08:29:26 <upnPAD> yo Gizmokid2005
08:29:41 <upnPAD> .def Gizmokid2005
08:29:42 <pabot> upnPAD: Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually).
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08:52:15 <cos1982> Hello
08:52:31 <upnPAD> yo
08:53:06 <cos1982> i need help with my thunderbird portable
08:57:01 <cos1982> thanks a lot for an answer ... have a nice day
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08:58:59 <upnPAD> lol wut
08:59:01 <upnPAD> did he ask a question
08:59:16 <upnPAD> anyway
08:59:27 <upnPAD> .p toucan backup multiple DVD
08:59:37 <upnPAD> .pa toucan backup multiple DVD
09:02:58 <TaffinFoxcroft> .g toucan backup multiple DVD site:portableapps.com
09:02:59 <pabot> TaffinFoxcroft: http://portableapps.com/node/6092
09:03:09 <TaffinFoxcroft> .title http://portableapps.com/node/6092
09:03:14 <pabot> TaffinFoxcroft: What's on your portable#2? | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
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09:43:14 <FR> Hi/Hello/Bonjours
09:43:33 <FR> Who are french ? Y aurait-il des français ?
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09:44:29 <Ammonium> How install portable apps in my usb keys ?
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11:41:58 <sar3th|school> hi all
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11:42:39 <pabot> onestoploser is teh curry master and can't get enough PortableApps.com
11:43:53 <sar3th|school> hi onestoploser!
11:44:16 <onestoploser> Good morning!
11:44:19 <onestoploser> :D
11:44:28 <sar3th|school> it's 12:46 :P
11:44:47 <onestoploser> It's 7:46 here :P
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11:45:45 <MaienM> gmornin
11:46:20 <sar3th|school> heya MaienM
11:46:35 <MaienM> just got called, no school for me today :D
11:47:30 <sar3th|school> lucky you
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11:54:47 <ZachThibeau> hola folks and good morning Gizmokid2005 :P
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12:29:21 <pabot> daBomb69 is the awesome person responsible for: Gnumeric Portable http://portableapps.com/node/18311
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13:41:39 <daBomb69> Quiet... so quiet
13:45:58 <Bensawsome> orly?
13:46:10 <daBomb69> yarly
13:46:23 <Bensawsome> daBomb69: look in ot for a sec
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13:49:39 <DoctorDude> Hi
13:49:54 <daBomb69> hello
13:50:18 <DoctorDude> I got a idea
13:53:37 <DoctorDude> What about creating a Suite for other companies and calling it maybe PortableApps Business or PortableApps Enterprise
14:04:10 <ZachThibeau> DoctorDude: to small a market, not only that we are talking with hardware vendors to make portableapps.com on flash drives in stores ;)
14:06:09 <DoctorDude> Cool. They should done that long time a go.
14:06:17 <DoctorDude> And delete U3
14:06:28 <DoctorDude> ago
14:07:01 <Gizmokid2005> hello ZachThibeau - I was actually afk earlier..
14:07:18 <ZachThibeau> DoctorDude: u3 is pretty much dead already
14:08:41 <DoctorDude> Really.
14:09:01 <DoctorDude> PortableApps rocks.
14:09:37 <daBomb69> Yes. Yes it does.
14:12:38 <DoctorDude> Well now PortableApps be installed on USB Flash Drive? Maybe next year?
14:13:27 <daBomb69> Will they look like the cool flash drives in the PA splash screens?
14:13:50 <ZachThibeau> I don't know the exact details only JohnHaller does
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14:23:41 <jonhutch> Morning everyone :)
14:23:48 <daBomb69> morning
14:23:55 <jonhutch> I am having an issue with Portableapps, anyone available to help?
14:24:12 <daBomb69> whats your issu?
14:24:26 <daBomb69> *issue
14:25:10 <jonhutch> When I click on the Documents button it comes up "G:\Documents" not found. Now I understand that the name of the file on the drive is Document (no "s"), but I was wondering where I could change it to turn the link into "Documents"?
14:25:54 <daBomb69> ur running Windows, right
14:25:59 <jonhutch> Yes sir
14:26:07 <Bensawsome> well it is named Documents :S
14:26:15 <Bensawsome> and you cant change it on the menu currently
14:26:28 <Bensawsome> you could just rename Document to Documents and then it would work :)
14:26:35 <Bensawsome> *should
14:26:35 <Bensawsome> lol
14:26:41 <daBomb69> In Explorer, open the G: drive, right click the Document folder, click rename, and rename it to Documents
14:27:11 <Bensawsome> ya on all my drives it is named Documents :S
14:27:17 <daBomb69> same here
14:27:32 <jonhutch> Yeah, I was going to do that. I was just curious of I could change it somewhere so the shortcut points to "documents"... purely for asthetics
14:29:37 <jonhutch> And I was more curious why the shortcut on the menu would point to "<install drive>:\Documents" and create the file "Document" instead... bug?
14:30:01 <Bensawsome> it did?
14:30:09 <Bensawsome> hmmm very strange....
14:30:23 <Bensawsome> lemme download it and see if it happens for me
14:30:34 <daBomb69> Didn't happen 4 me
14:30:36 <jonhutch> Yeah this is the newest version by the way
14:30:39 <Bensawsome> oh and jonhutch: which one did you download?
14:30:41 <daBomb69> 1.5
14:30:42 <jonhutch> If I need to reinstall that's fine
14:30:44 <jonhutch> 1.5
14:30:51 <jonhutch> It's just rather... odd...
14:31:00 <Bensawsome> i mean which ummmm
14:31:03 <Bensawsome> package
14:31:08 <jonhutch> Standard
14:31:13 <jonhutch> The biggest one
14:31:16 <Bensawsome> ah ok
14:31:17 <Bensawsome> lol
14:31:24 <Bensawsome> it should only take a minute ^_^
14:31:31 <Bensawsome> 30mb connection ftw ^_^
14:31:45 <Bensawsome> its installing thats the long part :/
14:32:12 <Bensawsome> lol 1 minute remaining ^_^
14:32:24 <daBomb69> SLOW!
14:32:35 <Bensawsome> ...
14:32:50 <Bensawsome> well its still limited by the read/write speed of the usb connection...
14:32:53 <jonhutch> Yeah... heh. Thanks for helping me out though. It's not a BIG deal, I mean I can change the file name easily enough. I am just wanting to make sure if it is a bug, that the right people know so it can be fixed. :)
14:32:56 <Bensawsome> and unfortunately its usb 1.1 :/
14:33:12 <Bensawsome> ya it might have been a mistake they made when compiling it
14:33:31 <jonhutch> I'm a developer so I understand how these things happen ;)
14:33:52 <Bensawsome> ^_^
14:34:34 <Bensawsome> also jonhutch are you on your home computer now?
14:35:34 <jonhutch> Work computer SHHHHHHHHH
14:36:05 <jonhutch> It's how I get around some of the install policies at work ;)
14:36:17 <daBomb69> nice
14:36:23 <jonhutch> Can't have firefox installed on our system... that's fine... it's installed on a USB drive.
14:36:36 <Bensawsome> ok installing... we will see what happenms
14:36:38 <Bensawsome> lol
14:36:42 <daBomb69> They won't let you have FF. Thats just mean
14:36:50 <Bensawsome> jonhutch: fight the powa!
14:36:51 <jonhutch> Believe I know I'm breaking the spirit of the rule... but I'm following the letter of it ;)
14:37:01 <Bensawsome> lol
14:37:32 <jonhutch> Our admins are super paranoid about firefox securities... and then they make us use IE... :: facepalm ::
14:37:48 <daBomb69> IE+Security=FAILZ
14:37:56 <Bensawsome> eh i work in an it department.... we are allowed to put "whatever is neccesary to complete our work" on our computers
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14:38:09 <Bensawsome> so i say ff is necesary :P\
14:38:29 <daBomb69> Do u have to pay for ur onw software?
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14:38:52 <Bensawsome> well i mean if you have to pay for it oyu have to ask first though :/
14:38:55 <jonhutch> It's like saying, "Hey! That gun is dangerous! Here take this hand grenade instead!"
14:39:03 <Bensawsome> ya :/
14:39:15 <daBomb69> :(
14:39:25 <Bensawsome> ugh come on finish installing
14:39:37 <jonhutch> I have bought my own software for development, but they don't make us....
14:39:37 <MaienM> they pull the pin out before giving it to you though..... sadists
14:39:47 <jonhutch> haha exacly MaienM
14:39:47 <Bensawsome> ok its installed checking...
14:40:09 <Bensawsome> nope mine installed as Documents
14:40:15 <Bensawsome> just tried it
14:40:23 <Bensawsome> and now i must go to my classes cya guys
14:40:29 <jonhutch> Alright... reinstall time
14:40:33 <jonhutch> Thanks bensawesome :)
14:40:43 <daBomb69> goodbye Bensawsome
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14:45:00 <jonhutch> Going to reinstall, I'll be back to let everyone know if it worked or not.
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14:52:47 <Gizmokid2005> I love my internet :)
14:52:50 <Gizmokid2005> 1.2MB/s :)
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14:53:00 <Gizmokid2005> redownloading my ubuntu 8.10 iso
14:53:00 <Bensawsome> i love mine better :P 30mb/s :P
14:53:09 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: you shush :P this is the fastest I can get here.
14:53:10 <daBomb69> IO love mine best
14:53:15 <daBomb69> 50mb/s
14:53:20 <Bensawsome> lol
14:53:27 <Bensawsome> daBomb69: at your school?
14:53:30 <daBomb69> No
14:53:35 <Gizmokid2005> now...if I was at work, I'd have you all beat :P
14:53:43 <daBomb69> Me school gets like 60mb/s
14:53:51 <Bensawsome> lol
14:54:01 <Bensawsome> daBomb69: at home?
14:54:11 <Gizmokid2005> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/funny-jokes/message/2077 <---- LOL :)
14:54:13 <Bensawsome> daBomb69: speedtest.net do it now
14:54:43 <Bensawsome> and show me the proof
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15:06:24 <DUZ> hello, i lost my autorun, i re-installed the plattform but is not the same
15:07:07 <ImBSD> ur running windows, right?
15:07:11 <Gizmokid2005> DUZ: what do you mean, you lost your autorun? can you be more specific?
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15:09:36 <DUZ> the file autorun
15:10:34 <DUZ> in os xp, the file autorun lost , in the os vista ok
15:10:46 <DUZ> i need the copy of file
15:10:53 <Gizmokid2005> DUZ: is the file missing, or is windows just not popping up the autorun dialog?
15:11:56 <DUZ> into the pendrive dont have the file
15:12:21 <DUZ> the windows popping up normal
15:12:57 <Gizmokid2005> DUZ: it's a hidden file...do you have hidden files and folders shown?
15:13:12 <Gizmokid2005> or is it? maybe not.
15:13:23 <Gizmokid2005> what drive is the portableapps platform installed to DUZ?
15:14:33 <DUZ> i have a micro cruzer 8gb with the platform only v1.5 installed
15:15:16 <Gizmokid2005> did you install the platform to the root of the drive?
15:16:15 <DUZ> in the first time that i plug in vista ok, but in another computer with xp the file missing dont
15:16:20 <DUZ> autorun
15:16:44 <ZachThibeau> sounds like autorun is disabled on xp and that the file isn't missing
15:20:03 <DUZ> somebody can past the text into the autorun to me
15:21:06 <Gizmokid2005> DUZ: http://pastebin.com/m68d8502a
15:21:07 <Gizmokid2005> there you go
15:25:55 <DUZ> thanks Giz
15:26:07 <Gizmokid2005> yw daBomb69
15:26:11 <Gizmokid2005> yw DUZ*
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15:27:42 <jonhutch> FYI reinstalling fixed it.
15:28:05 <jonhutch> I guess it was just a bad install first go around. Thanks for all the help! :)
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15:32:54 <pabot> sar3th is working on LyX portable
15:33:06 <sar3th> hi all
15:33:26 <daBomb69> hello sar3th
15:33:31 <sar3th> heya daBomb69
15:33:44 <daBomb69> how r u 2day?
15:33:55 <sar3th> quite tired^
15:33:57 <ZachThibeau> howdy sar3th
15:34:20 <sar3th> heya ZachThibeau, any luck with the no-install-forums?
15:34:29 <ZachThibeau> nope
15:34:59 <sar3th> aaw :(
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15:41:32 <JohnTHaller> hi
15:41:46 <daBomb69> hello JohnTHaller.
15:41:49 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
15:41:50 <sar3th> hi JohnTHaller
15:44:37 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Did you test this yet? http://portableapps.com/node/18475
15:45:06 <daBomb69> DLing wright now
15:45:20 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Could you in particular test this, too, since you had issues? http://portableapps.com/node/18475
15:45:44 <JohnTHaller> daBomb69: Thanks. Also check to see if the old installer for cornice official release is still hanging 1.5 for you. And that it works with 1.5.1
15:48:29 <Gizmokid2005> give me just a minute JohnTHaller
15:49:56 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: still running the standard menu, correct?
15:50:58 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: the installertest of cornice, works beautifully with 12.5
15:51:07 <Gizmokid2005> *1.5 with a manual direct installer run
15:51:41 <Gizmokid2005> same when installing through the menu
15:51:48 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller: No, no hang from origianal installer
15:52:06 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: you still getting a hang from the original installer on 1.5?
15:52:33 <Gizmokid2005> I just used the isntallertest you posted on that node
15:52:36 <Gizmokid2005> that worked
15:52:46 <Gizmokid2005> I can try the original installer that you posted of cornice if you'd likea
15:52:47 <Gizmokid2005> *like
15:53:13 <JohnTHaller> please. i want to see if your PC is in the state where it fails.
15:53:20 <JohnTHaller> hopfully it is
15:53:27 <Gizmokid2005> k
15:53:41 <Gizmokid2005> hahaha....nope.
15:53:44 <Gizmokid2005> but h/o
15:54:11 <Gizmokid2005> it works fine now...
15:54:17 <daBomb69> Same here.
15:54:54 <JohnTHaller> sigh
15:55:08 <JohnTHaller> you guys reboot since last night?
15:55:11 <Gizmokid2005> idk JohnTHaller, I really don't...
15:55:12 <Gizmokid2005> nope
15:55:15 <Gizmokid2005> I leave my PC on 24/7
15:55:38 <daBomb69> Nope
15:55:58 <daBomb69> Same here.
15:56:45 <ZachThibeau> ditto
15:58:25 <JohnTHaller> well, damnit
15:59:04 <Gizmokid2005> sorry JohnTHaller :(
15:59:11 <JohnTHaller> ah well, please try the new stuff in the combinations listed (old instller with 1.5.1, new installer with 1.5.1, in and out of the menu, new installer with 1.5 in and out of menu, etc) in that thread and post results. I really wanna post this today./
15:59:27 <daBomb69> ok
16:02:04 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I am downloading
16:02:09 <Gizmokid2005> will this replace the current PAP?
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16:02:22 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: yes. but you can install 1.5 back over it
16:02:54 <Gizmokid2005> just checking
16:02:55 <Gizmokid2005> installing now.
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16:03:14 <Simeon> Hi All!
16:03:16 <daBomb69> installing origianal cornice via 1.5.1 menu
16:03:16 <JohnTHaller> hi
16:03:24 <Gizmokid2005> well that's odd...whatever just happened...PAP didn't remove my background...
16:03:37 <daBomb69> yeah, same here
16:04:03 <Gizmokid2005> lemme try something real quick.
16:04:24 <daBomb69> origianal install via menu=no hang
16:04:47 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm...that isn't it...*shrugs* installing 1.5.1 now
16:05:27 <Gizmokid2005> original installer via 1.5.1 manual run - no hang
16:05:29 <Simeon> JohnTHaller: Could you check the redirects for the Apps? Some arent working...
16:06:02 <JohnTHaller> currently busy simeon
16:06:12 <Simeon> ok
16:06:15 <JohnTHaller> platform issues / app installer issues take precedence
16:06:16 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: original installer, running menu 1.5.1, installing manually, no hang, but no refresh of the menu either.
16:06:26 <JohnTHaller> working on a fast 1.5.1 release
16:06:37 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Yeah, manual install of old should not refresh
16:06:40 <Gizmokid2005> k
16:06:47 <Gizmokid2005> installing via menu now.
16:07:12 <Gizmokid2005> via menu - no hang, good refresh :)
16:07:36 * daBomb69 is now insatlling origianal firectly
16:07:41 <daBomb69> *directly
16:07:49 <Gizmokid2005> test installer, run directly, menu 1.5.1 - no hang, menu refreshed.
16:08:25 <Gizmokid2005> same results with a menu install.
16:08:45 <daBomb69> no hang, no refreash, installing origianal directly
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16:11:02 <Hestus> _HELP!
16:11:16 <Gizmokid2005> Hestus: what can we do for you?
16:12:17 <Hestus> How can i insert my own links in the programs list in Protable Apps
16:12:53 <Gizmokid2005> Hestus: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
16:13:29 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I have something else, that may or may not help, that I noticed in common with daBomb69 and myself
16:14:54 <Hestus> Well, i mean REALY my own Applikations that are not protable by PortableApps
16:15:12 <Gizmokid2005> Hestus: that link, is how you add them to the menu.
16:15:14 <Gizmokid2005> period.
16:20:52 <JohnTHaller> Hestus: You just have to put them in the right place on the drive and the menu will find em automatically.
16:20:59 <JohnTHaller> Read the 2nd paragraph here:
16:20:59 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
16:26:52 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: what were you gonna say you and daBomb69 have in common?
16:27:58 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: him and I both have a common issue with explorer, though we are on different OS. I have XP Pro Sp3, he's on XP home SP2...but randomly Explorer will crash and restart itself, as well as IE, OE, and WMM icons typically are missing in the windows start menu until the app is launched from that location. We both ahve noticed that during this testing explorer has crashed more often than
16:27:59 <Gizmokid2005> normal
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16:28:32 <pabot> LOGAN is a person that's crazy over fun portable stuff.
16:28:53 <Hestus> yes i have done what it said but the applicationdoes not open :S
16:30:17 <JohnTHaller> Hestus: You sure it's portable?
16:31:09 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Have you tried it without the wallpaper swapper?
16:31:24 <JohnTHaller> Do you have... ehem... unoffficial copies of Windows?
16:31:36 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: no I haven't. And no. This is a legit copy.
16:31:45 <Hestus> no but it reqiers no regestry or other kind of enviroment saving, but it miogth be somthing with the application
16:31:47 <Gizmokid2005> all my software is legit.... =-O I know!
16:32:37 <JohnTHaller> Hestus: Can you browse to the directory and run the EXE directly? If not, the PA.c Platform can't make it work.
16:36:27 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Have you checked to see if you have a search process somewhere? Nero Burning Rom shipped with a buggy file indexer for years. It could hang explorer, lock files, cause all sorts of weirdness.
16:36:57 <Gizmokid2005> not sure what you want me to look for. I don't use, nor ever installed Nero.
16:37:10 <daBomb69> Same here, Nero's 2 expencive
16:41:39 <daBomb69> Would Google Desktop cause the same problem?
16:42:13 <JohnTHaller> it might. all of those widget engines and windows dock programs are buggy if I recall.
16:42:22 <Gizmokid2005> I don't have any thought :(
16:42:24 <Gizmokid2005> *though
16:42:50 * daBomb69 had Google Desktop once, but uninstalled it after not using it for like 5 months
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16:43:33 <JohnTHaller> How come you never reinstalled windows or dug deeper into your explorer problems?
16:43:45 <JohnTHaller> Any custom explorer toolbars? any other OS customizations?
16:43:50 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: this was a FRESH install of XP Pro...
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16:43:59 <pabot> LOGAN is a person that's crazy over fun portable stuff.
16:44:00 <daBomb69> I don't have an XP disk
16:44:18 <Gizmokid2005> I installed it twice because i had the issue originally and thought it was an install issue...used a fresh legit ISO and disc and STILL have the issue...
16:44:27 * daBomb69 has a computer where a recovery crap is in the D: drive
16:44:35 <Gizmokid2005> there's only so much I can figure out...I can't get to the bottom of it...it doesn't make sense on a fresh install
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16:48:58 <Simeon> see yall around - gotta go.
16:49:05 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Did you reinstall over old or format and reinstall?
16:49:15 <Gizmokid2005> format and reinstall
16:49:16 <Gizmokid2005> always do
16:49:21 <Gizmokid2005> *when I have to
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16:50:26 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: In that case. if the issue persisted, it would seem you have a defective piece of hardware or a bad driver
16:50:58 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: it's good hardware, and I don't know what would be defective...if I have no issues with any other OS, live CDs etc...
16:51:18 <JohnTHaller> then it's a driver issue
16:51:25 <Gizmokid2005> and explorer almost never crashes, except for recently with this testing...and the icons not being right unless clicked on...everything else was and still is solid
16:51:49 <JohnTHaller> if it happens on a base install, thuings like disappearing icons... something is wrong
16:52:01 <Gizmokid2005> only a few icons of stupid MS apps I'll never use.
16:52:03 <Gizmokid2005> that's what i don't undersatnd
16:52:05 <Gizmokid2005> *understand
16:52:35 <daBomb69> same
16:52:56 <Gizmokid2005> and they've been fine ever since the first boot when I clicked on them to cache the icons...
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16:57:11 <JohnTHaller> please test: http://portableapps.com/node/18475
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16:57:14 <JohnTHaller> for everyone else
16:58:36 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: referring to me?
16:59:51 <JohnTHaller> no, you tested it
17:00:05 <Gizmokid2005> just making sure
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17:05:47 <anc96> Hello
17:05:54 <sar3th> hi anc96
17:06:02 <anc96> how do i set up a proper acc on this chat?
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17:14:39 <ZachThibeau> ok...
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17:50:18 <D3z> hey
17:50:25 <Bensawsome> hello D3z. Can we help you with something?
17:50:36 <D3z> is it possible to like open more than 1 app at a time with the platform?
17:50:39 <D3z> the new one
17:50:56 <D3z> because the old one like "lagged" when it faded out so you could open mutliple apps....
17:50:58 <Bensawsome> you mean before it minizmies to the tray again?
17:51:06 <Bensawsome> hmmm
17:51:09 <Bensawsome> i dont think you can
17:51:26 <D3z> :/
17:51:30 <Bensawsome> lemme see on mine
17:51:42 <Gizmokid2005> D3z: you can set the menu to stay visible so you can open multiple apps
17:51:43 <Gizmokid2005> then close the menu
17:51:58 <Bensawsome> lol thats what im looking for >_>
17:52:08 <D3z> :D
17:55:03 <D3z> not found it?
17:55:18 <Gizmokid2005> you have to edit the ini to do my method D3z
17:55:31 <D3z> which ini?
17:55:37 <Gizmokid2005> the portableapps.ini
17:56:01 <Gizmokid2005> x:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\Data\PortableAppsMenu.ini
17:56:05 <Gizmokid2005> where X is your drive letter
17:56:17 <Gizmokid2005> RemainVisible=True <-- that's the option you want to set
17:56:47 <D3z> ...
17:56:59 <D3z> I dont think I have that particular folder? :/
17:57:18 <Gizmokid2005> where did you install portableapps to?
17:57:23 <Gizmokid2005> and what menu version are you running?
17:57:40 <D3z> I have X:\PortableApps\PortableApps (and then the apps) and the documents folder
17:57:50 <D3z> the new one
17:57:55 <D3z> 1.5 I think
17:58:04 <D3z> ye 1.5
17:58:09 <Gizmokid2005> if you have 1.5, then you will have a PortableApps.com folder under PortableApps
17:58:13 <Gizmokid2005> as that's the location of the menu.
17:58:48 <D3z> oh soz didnt know that :/
18:01:40 <D3z> ok wait now how do you close it? ...:P
18:02:16 <D3z> without quitting it
18:02:21 <D3z> or cant you?
18:02:27 <Gizmokid2005> just click the tray icon
18:02:40 <D3z> :P woops
18:02:45 <D3z> k thanks
18:03:28 <Gizmokid2005> yw
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18:25:37 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable and is a Developer at PortableApps.com and also a long standing member of PortableApps.com for 2 years now
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18:45:09 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
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19:12:56 <ZachThibeau> later all, time for work for me
19:13:02 <Bensawsome> cya ZachThibeau >_>
19:13:12 <Gizmokid2005> bye ZachThibeau
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19:19:49 <andreasma> hi
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19:22:25 <pabot> daBomb69 is the awesome person responsible for: Gnumeric Portable http://portableapps.com/node/18311
19:24:50 <Gizmokid2005> hello andreasma
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19:25:45 <andreasma> hi Gizmokid2005
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19:28:22 <SergentSiler> Desu!
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19:28:42 <SergentSiler> D:
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19:29:08 <Suiseiseki> meh, wrong client
19:29:29 <SergentSiler> Desu! (Again :P)
19:30:44 <Bensawsome> lol
19:32:24 <excid3> /b/tards
19:33:15 <Bensawsome> lol excid3 :P
19:36:35 <excid3> :)
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19:36:43 <anc96> Hi
19:36:46 * excid3 looks for his loltoast habbo raiding tool
19:36:55 <anc96> I have a questions about Numpty Physics
19:37:34 <anc96> when you open the game, nothing happens when I click the start button
19:38:23 <onestoploser> excid3: Pool's Closed
19:38:45 <Gizmokid2005> anc96: to answer your question earlier about setting up an account, type this (without the quotes) "/msg nickserv help"
19:38:53 <anc96> thanks
19:39:26 <Gizmokid2005> yw anc96
19:39:39 <anc96> a windows with the pabot has opened
19:41:10 <anc96> is said: " Say something, you have tells waiting for you."
19:41:26 <anc96> I said: "How do I register an account?" "in this chat"
19:41:34 <anc96> but i have no reply
19:42:11 <anc96> Gizmokid2005: also, how do I join portableapps-ot ?
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19:43:07 <excid3> onestoploser: Pool has aids.
19:43:13 <Suiseiseki> click #portableapps-ot since you are using mibbit
19:43:39 <anc96> ah, thank you
19:43:57 <anc96> so, does anyone know how i start a game in numpty physiscs?
19:44:09 <MaienM> anc96: I don't think anyone in here knows numpty physics, so you're probably better of posting at the forums.
19:45:15 <anc96> i dont yet have a forum acc :(
19:45:41 <excid3> my favorite pic, /b/tard-obama http://www.flickr.com/photos/20473873@N03/3231044754/
19:53:28 <anc96> bye :P
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19:55:39 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is liking his new desktop: http://tinyurl.com/dz2xmb
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19:56:00 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is liking his new desktop: http://tinyurl.com/dz2xmb
19:56:31 <Oni-Neoxes> sorry bout that
19:56:40 <Oni-Neoxes> http://portableapps.com/node/18484 <-- looks very cool o:
19:57:17 <onestoploser> Yarly
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19:58:25 <Oni-Neoxes> <_<
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20:09:29 <SrgSiler|AFK> >_>\
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20:36:48 <dbdii407> .tell ZachThibeau Redirect it to my computer. I'll be gone @ 6:30 (Ur time) and will be back around 10:30 (ur time)
20:36:48 <pabot> dbdii407: I'll pass that on when I next see ZachThibeau.
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20:51:02 <JohnTHaller> Anyone in here who has not tested 1.5.1 and reported back on results will receive a FAIL tag near the name in the forums :-P
20:51:03 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/node/18475
20:51:39 <onestoploser> I installed, but didn't have problems with the previous one.
20:51:51 <onestoploser> This one seems to work fine.
20:51:52 <KevinPorter> JohnTHaller: Forgot to report, I had no problems either.
20:52:00 * daBomb69 reports back, it works grate!
20:52:04 <JohnTHaller> heh
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20:52:18 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
20:54:42 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller: Are you still going to have to mess with the installers even though PAP 1.5.1 works?
20:55:32 * SrgSiler|AFK downloads and tests in order not to recieve fail status
20:55:56 * daBomb69 HAD to DL and test, so he doesn't get FAIL tag:D
20:57:14 <gluxon> daBomb69: There's a PAM 1.5.1???
20:57:26 <JohnTHaller> No, the old installers just won't cause the menu to refresh. So, the menu will pause when it runs them from Options - Install a New App
20:57:38 <daBomb69> oh, ok
20:57:43 <daBomb69> gluxon: "3:53:29 PM) JohnTHaller: Anyone in here who has not tested 1.5.1 and reported back on results will receive a FAIL tag near the name in the forums :-P
20:57:43 <daBomb69> (3:53:30 PM) JohnTHaller: http://portableapps.com/node/18475"
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21:07:01 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: nice note
21:07:07 <Gizmokid2005> and I better not get a fail tag :P
21:07:23 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: FAIL.
21:07:26 <rmccue> Err.
21:07:34 <rmccue> Gizmokid2005: FAIL. Dunno why.
21:07:37 <Gizmokid2005> watch it rmccue you are on that list :P
21:07:58 <rmccue> List? :O
21:08:08 <PatrickPatience> Man, only two reports on the menu test so far?
21:08:20 <KevinPorter> Gizmokid2005: Why'd you have to mention it to him? :P
21:08:28 <PatrickPatience> I'm on it.
21:08:36 <KevinPorter> PatrickPatience: He's got a few in IRC here.
21:09:03 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPatience: no, dabomb and I did it in here with John earlier
21:09:16 <Gizmokid2005> wow...sounds dirty, please refrain from gutter thoughts on that statment...
21:09:40 <rmccue> Gizmokid2005: Did what?
21:09:47 * rmccue has no idea what's going on.
21:09:53 <Gizmokid2005> read the LOGS :P
21:09:56 <PatrickPatience> Baha... I wasn't thinkin' anything before you mentioned it.
21:10:02 <Gizmokid2005> [16:51:27] <@JohnTHaller> Anyone in here who has not tested 1.5.1 and reported back on results will receive a FAIL tag near the name in the forums :-P
21:10:02 <Gizmokid2005> [16:51:28] <@JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/node/18475
21:10:06 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: ^^^
21:10:31 <rmccue> Ah, awesome. I always wanted one of those.
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21:11:46 <PatrickPatience> JohnTHaller: Neither of the previous bugs seem to be present for me.
21:11:57 <PatrickPatience> I'll play around with it a bit more to make sure nothing else was introduced.
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21:17:33 <PatrickPatience> Whoa... a Task Coach release.
21:17:35 <ptmb> Hi everybody.
21:18:24 <JohnTHaller> anybody here use bartpe at all?
21:18:28 <PatrickPatience> Hey.
21:18:32 <PatrickPatience> Not I, sir.
21:19:09 <PatrickPatience> >Howdy,
21:19:09 <PatrickPatience> >... Although English is the only language I speak, it doesn't look like it would be hard to clean up some of the strings in both the client and on your support site.
21:19:09 <PatrickPatience> Dear Howdy,
21:19:14 <ptmb> Hi JohnTHaller and PatrickPatience, no, unfortunatelly I don't use bartpe
21:19:19 <PatrickPatience> Most certainly made my day.
21:19:32 <JohnTHaller> too bad. i just figured out a fix for it crashing on bartpe due to there being no systray
21:19:43 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I do
21:19:48 <PatrickPatience> The man who called me Howdy later went on to say that he though the translations were fairly correct.
21:20:11 <ptmb> Hi Gizmokid2005
21:20:14 <Gizmokid2005> typically I only use it restore a backup from driveimagexml
21:20:16 <Gizmokid2005> hello ptmb
21:20:22 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Do you run it on a flash drive?
21:20:46 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: no, I run it from a livecd
21:20:57 <JohnTHaller> ah ok. nvm
21:21:01 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't updated it in ages either...
21:21:12 <Gizmokid2005> though I do have a spare flashdrive I could set it up on...it might be easier to use than a CD
21:22:20 <JohnTHaller> it's ok. it doesn't impact anything else, so I'm gonna drop it in 1.5.1
21:23:11 <PatrickPatience> Heh: http://www.taskcoach.org/changes.html
21:23:42 <PatrickPatience> Apparently drag + drop from Thunderbird Portable is now fixed... though I /thoroughly/ tested in in the past version and it worked fine.
21:24:08 <Gizmokid2005> lol
21:24:28 <Gizmokid2005> I'll be back guys. Going to reboot, and i am finally going to update my TrueCrypt from 4 to 5
21:24:52 <PatrickPatience> Haha, it seems like such a lame release. Smallest bug fixes ever.
21:25:04 <Gizmokid2005> Hi Frank,
21:25:04 <Gizmokid2005>
21:25:04 <Gizmokid2005> I'm sorry to say, but drag and drop from Thunderbird Portable still isn't working for me.
21:25:04 <Gizmokid2005>
21:25:04 <Gizmokid2005> I've downloaded the newest Taskcoach and the newest Thunderbord Portable.
21:25:05 <Gizmokid2005>
21:25:05 <PatrickPatience> Nonetheless, good for us I guess, since apparently it wasn't working.
21:25:07 <Gizmokid2005> Martin
21:25:18 <PatrickPatience> Gahhh.
21:25:21 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPatience: OMG...sorry guys...stupid formating...but that's from the mailing list for TC
21:25:23 <PatrickPatience> Well he's just a special case.
21:25:26 <Gizmokid2005> lol
21:25:30 <Gizmokid2005> kinda like dabomb and I for JohnTHaller
21:25:31 <Gizmokid2005> lol
21:25:38 <PatrickPatience> He can go not use Thunderbird Portable.
21:25:46 <Gizmokid2005> just a thorn in the side
21:25:46 <Gizmokid2005> lol
21:25:53 <PatrickPatience> Props to him for not telling /us/ though.
21:25:58 <Gizmokid2005> lol I agree
21:26:07 <Gizmokid2005> well, now I shall be off for a few, bbs
21:26:10 <Gizmokid2005> don't miss me too mcuh
21:26:11 <Gizmokid2005> *much
21:27:02 <PatrickPatience> Wow... TIME.com has popups...
21:27:10 <Gizmokid2005> so does snopes.com
21:27:13 <JohnTHaller> Anything else missing from 1.5.1? So far got the locale fixes in, menu refresh fix, german backup crash fix, crash when no systray, scroll up/down buttons now scroll a page at a time, removed packageversion from hover over app icons...
21:27:26 <JohnTHaller> Anything else small and quick that should be in?
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21:27:52 <ptmb> JohnTHaller: maybe the opaque wallpaper in WINE?
21:28:21 <JohnTHaller> that's another WINE bug we've hit... and I ain't touching that at the moment
21:28:29 <ptmb> ok
21:28:41 <JohnTHaller> WINE is buggier than we thought :-(
21:29:14 <JohnTHaller> so is it the wallpaper switcher? it changes the wallpaper?
21:29:30 <ptmb> oh, I meant the menu background john :P
21:29:45 <ptmb> (it is not quite posiible to change the wallpaper in WINE)
21:30:01 <JohnTHaller> Oh ok... I guess I could check on that with that registry key... remember it offhand?
21:30:03 <ptmb> the wallpaper is managed by nautilus or KDE or whatever DE is being ran
21:30:12 <ptmb> one sec...
21:30:51 <ptmb> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine
21:31:06 <ptmb> that is the place where more keys related to WINE are
21:31:27 <JohnTHaller> any chances those would be a on a regular windows machine?
21:31:55 <ptmb> have no idea, but only if a user as an app that coincidentally is called WINE too I gess
21:33:11 <andreasma> good night
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21:34:09 <ptmb> and even in the possibility above I am not sure if that registry key would exist in Windows
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21:36:13 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually).
21:36:39 <ptmb> oh, it seemed fixed in the RC you made JohnTHaller, but was the icons bug in WINE fixed already?
21:36:43 <Gizmokid2005> Wasn't expecting such a long wait for this copying...so I figured I'd hang out for a bit...
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21:43:10 <JohnTHaller> ptmb: No, that is a more complicated fix.
21:43:27 <JohnTHaller> I'm not gonna do the Wine fixes without broader testing. So it'll be the next release
21:43:34 <ptmb> ok
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21:58:33 <pabot> sar3th is working on LyX portable
21:58:45 <sar3th> hello to everyone
21:58:55 <AppGuy> hello
21:59:18 <PatrickPatience> Hey hey.
21:59:41 <MaienM> hello
21:59:46 <sar3th> nothing going on in here?
21:59:53 <daBomb69> Nope
22:00:10 * AppGuy is tired
22:00:36 * sar3th too
22:01:56 * daBomb69 took a nap earlyer...'
22:02:44 * MaienM took a nap, once, in a long forgotten past.
22:03:37 <ptmb> daBomb69, MaienM: naps are portals... think of it :D
22:03:49 * daBomb69 is confuzed
22:04:08 <ptmb> that was my intention :D
22:04:33 <MaienM> ptmb: I prefer not to think atm :P
22:04:42 <ptmb> ok, think later :P
22:04:53 * daBomb69 tried to think once, it broke his brain
22:05:19 <ptmb> daBomb69: this time read the instructions manual before trying ot think :D
22:05:33 <daBomb69> :P
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22:10:00 <elek> hello could somebody tell me how to install portableapps in my flash drive
22:10:54 <sar3th> hello elek, do you mean the launcher (=platform) or just a portable app, like for example firefox?
22:11:21 <elek> yes, the launcher, i've downloaded if from portableapps site
22:11:34 <MaienM> elek: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#installing
22:12:10 <MaienM> and for adding apps, http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
22:12:50 <elek> oh, thanks for your help, thanks sar3th and thanks MaienM
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22:17:03 <mib_adl7cr> hello?
22:17:13 <mib_adl7cr> need a little help
22:17:39 <sar3th> hello mib_adl7cr, just go ahead and ask your question, we'll try our best
22:18:58 <mib_adl7cr> ive moded my r34 menu skin and other stuff ,the ini file and fsi file but i cant figure out how to embed and media skin to the menu
22:19:15 <mib_adl7cr> anyone have any idea's
22:19:25 <MaienM> mib_adl7cr: r34 is a mod of the menu and unsupported.
22:19:50 <mib_adl7cr> pam mod
22:20:01 <mib_adl7cr> unsupported?
22:20:06 <MaienM> yes
22:20:13 <mib_adl7cr> what you mean
22:20:26 <MaienM> as in, we did not make it and do not offer support for it
22:20:40 <MaienM> we will try to help but since we use the regular version we probably cannot
22:20:46 <mib_adl7cr> oh,my bad,didnt know this was a diff forum
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22:21:05 <JohnTHaller> mib_adl7cr: It's an unofficial fork of a much older version of the PortableApps.com Platform that was not created by or supported by PortableApps.com. It's used by a few thousand people but fewer now that the official 1.5 is released with hiding and renaming built in.
22:21:20 <mib_adl7cr> ok, does the one you use support embeding
22:21:28 <JohnTHaller> mib_adl7cr: embedding of what?
22:21:59 <mib_adl7cr> media player
22:22:35 <JohnTHaller> nope. to my knowledge the MOD didn't either. you could create custom buttons that ran specific EXEs, I believe.
22:22:37 <mib_adl7cr> like when you embed a media player onto a web page
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22:22:55 <mib_adl7cr> try to embed to the menu
22:22:57 <JohnTHaller> mib_adl7cr: why do you want to embed media into the menu itself?
22:23:05 <mib_adl7cr> ya
22:23:10 <mib_adl7cr> it be cool
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22:24:18 <mib_adl7cr> think i would have to make indidual icons and destinations
22:24:26 <mib_adl7cr> somthing in that route
22:24:42 <JohnTHaller> This is actually the first request I've heard of it. It would be a bit difficult as we'd need to depend on the local PC having the proper windows media player version and stuff
22:24:55 <mib_adl7cr> well no
22:25:49 <mib_adl7cr> my make a drop down menu inside of the menu and then put clickable destination links for each song
22:26:28 <mib_adl7cr> mybe from vlc
22:26:58 <mib_adl7cr> embeding of the bottons and file /open
22:27:01 <MaienM> I personally don't see the added value of this, since this is something that the portable apps we do can do perfectly fine, and they are made to do so.
22:27:27 <mib_adl7cr> yea i love the portable theme
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22:27:50 <mib_adl7cr> ive used ceedo then i went to this one
22:28:11 <mib_adl7cr> this is the far best
22:28:12 <daBomb69> Ceedo's 2 expencive.
22:28:16 <JohnTHaller> mib_adl7cr: So you'd want hard-coded links to songs?
22:28:25 <mib_adl7cr> mybe
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22:29:26 <sar3th> JohnTHaller: do you think it's possible to localize the folder names in the "documents" folder?
22:30:43 <JohnTHaller> it will be tricky. i have a possible way but not til 2.0 or later
22:31:02 <JohnTHaller> we don't want to actually use localized names as it will break all nonunicode apps
22:31:45 <sar3th> yeah i didn't mean just use localized foldernames but make them look localized, like vista does with c:\users
22:32:09 <JohnTHaller> we're gonna do that with the same trick using a delphi-compiled resource file
22:33:03 <sar3th> and then some desktop.ini with LocalizedResourceName?
22:33:24 <JohnTHaller> yup
22:33:36 <sar3th> awesome! =)
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22:40:21 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually).
22:46:04 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I think I /may/ have pinpointed what my issue is/was with my icons in my start menu
22:46:15 <Gizmokid2005> I think it's because I changed the default Program Files folder from C: to D:
22:47:45 <Gizmokid2005> at least that's why OE and Address Book weren't happy
22:47:58 <PatrickPatience> Heh, yesterday was MAR10 day.
22:48:13 <Gizmokid2005> lol
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22:50:10 <PatrickPatience> Heh, talk about an amazing girlfriend: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/11/gameflavored-cookies.html
22:50:49 <Gizmokid2005> haha
22:50:51 <Gizmokid2005> no doubt
22:51:14 <Gizmokid2005> but an amazing one, is one who can beat pacman for gameboy or mrs. pacman...in less than 30 minutes...start to finish.
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22:58:40 <MaienM> thats not really a skill I find important in a girl..... xD
22:59:42 <Gizmokid2005> lol me neither, it's just nifty ;)
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23:00:43 * daBomb69 finds that skill important in a girl
23:01:08 <KevinPorter> Nerds.
23:01:15 <KevinPorter> *cough*
23:02:19 <Gizmokid2005> *cough*aint that like the pot calling the kettle black?*cough*
23:02:35 <daBomb69> No, it's just POT
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23:03:06 <KevinPorter> Gizmokid2005: Let me have my momentary glory. :P
23:03:18 <Gizmokid2005> KevinPorter: I did...for 1:05 mins
23:03:32 <KevinPorter> Bleh.
23:03:46 <Gizmokid2005> a moment can be as short as a second or two
23:03:58 <Gizmokid2005> .dict moment
23:04:02 <pabot> moment - 1. short time, 2. particular instant
23:04:14 <homexcid3> lol
23:04:31 <KevinPorter> Whatever, you win. :P
23:04:35 <Gizmokid2005> thanks :P
23:04:48 <homexcid3> mibbit's smilies are ugly
23:04:50 <solrack520> Help - I'm having a problem when I load a new portableapp it never get to finish, but when I ctl-alt delte I can close it & it works. what should I do?
23:04:51 <pabot> solrack520: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
23:05:07 <JohnTHaller> Ok, anybody wanna test a special build?
23:05:11 <daBomb69> Me!
23:05:14 <Gizmokid2005> solrack520: that's currently being worked on by JohnTHaller
23:05:18 <Gizmokid2005> it's a known issue
23:05:52 <JohnTHaller> solrack520: Try this 1.5.1 test release: http://portableapps.com/node/18475
23:06:05 <solrack520> ok thanks
23:06:14 <JohnTHaller> It's stable and can install right over your existing release. It should fix your issue.
23:06:45 <solrack520> ok I'll give it a try
23:06:49 <JohnTHaller> Only caveat is that existing installers that you run directly (not through Options - Add a New App in the menu) will not automatically appear in the menu
23:07:18 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller: Is this the same one that you released this morning?
23:07:28 <JohnTHaller> that link is, yes
23:07:39 <JohnTHaller> but I have a special test for folks in here to test if they're up for it
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23:07:48 <pabot> Roamer is one of the Linux geeks that are found here from time to time.
23:07:49 <daBomb69> Oh Really:D!!
23:07:52 <Gizmokid2005> I'll test it JohnTHaller
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23:08:40 <MaienM> I have some time, so count me in
23:09:00 <JohnTHaller> Ok, for advanced folks, this can drop into a 1.5 or 1.5.1 setup.
23:09:15 <JohnTHaller> Download: http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/1/PortableAppsPlatform.exe
23:09:35 <JohnTHaller> Place it in X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com. You can rename your existing one PortableAppsPlatformOld.exe to save it first.
23:10:14 <Gizmokid2005> k
23:10:15 <Gizmokid2005> saved
23:10:57 <MaienM> downloading the latest 1.5 release to be sure
23:11:01 <Gizmokid2005> well...trying...FF is locking up now.
23:11:45 <MaienM> done
23:12:33 <JohnTHaller> Ok, that new release, you should see just the DisplayVersion in hovers over PAF apps now. No package version at the end in brackets
23:13:11 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: correct
23:13:22 <MaienM> yup
23:13:34 <JohnTHaller> The scroll up down buttons when clicked now do a page at a time instead of a single app
23:13:53 <MaienM> I don't have nearly enough apps to test that
23:13:59 <daBomb69> Yup
23:14:04 <JohnTHaller> (you can use the arrow keys up and down to go singly still if you want)
23:14:37 <daBomb69> yup
23:14:38 * sar3th suggest shift+click for that
23:14:39 <JohnTHaller> Ok, if anyone wants to be creative. Close ALL your apps and files on that portable drive except the platform menu...
23:14:50 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: scrolling works
23:14:55 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: Nope. No real reason to only go one at a time at all
23:15:04 <daBomb69> Hol on, me will do that!
23:15:28 <ptmb> bye everybody, gonna sleep
23:15:32 <JohnTHaller> gnight
23:15:33 <Gizmokid2005> bye ptmb
23:15:34 <sar3th> bye ptmb
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23:15:39 <JohnTHaller> ok, so who wants to live dangerously?
23:16:15 <MaienM> I would, but I'm testing from C: atm
23:16:22 <JohnTHaller> Anyone who does. Close EVERYTHING on your portable device except the platform. Watch to be sure that your drive isn't being used (no light flashing). Then pull the drive (aka unsafe eject, aka what you should NOT do).
23:16:24 <MaienM> I could perform the test in wine though
23:16:38 * daBomb69 is not testing from C, so will do that
23:17:03 <MaienM> I'll try with wine
23:17:16 <JohnTHaller> The menu should automatically close, swap the wallpaper back (if you are using the switcher) and not have the error about being unable to write to the INI we used to get.
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23:18:23 <daBomb691> Pull out unsafely
23:18:36 <MaienM> the platform is still running (using WINE)
23:18:46 <JohnTHaller> wine = fail
23:18:59 <daBomb691> PAP died
23:19:13 <JohnTHaller> died?
23:19:18 <daBomb691> like closed
23:19:21 <JohnTHaller> good
23:19:30 <JohnTHaller> wallpaper switch back (if you had custom wallpaper)
23:19:31 <JohnTHaller> ?
23:19:38 <JohnTHaller> that's what it's supposed to do
23:19:42 <daBomb691> Hold on, let me restart w/wallpaper
23:20:14 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: I think I know how to get it working in Wine... lemme check something
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23:22:36 <daBomb691> starting up PAP now
23:23:48 <JohnTHaller> Ok guys, try this one now. Same deal. (This doesn't fix Wine): http://portableapps.com/temp/livetests/2/PortableAppsPlatform.exe
23:24:18 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: It;s another Wine bug. It doesn't properly send notifications of device removals to apps that ask for it.
23:24:24 <daBomb691> Wats different between this one and #1?
23:24:31 <MaienM> one of the many -_-
23:24:43 <Gizmokid2005> I can't test the unsafe removal protection right now, but the previous question about the versioning is still good
23:24:46 <JohnTHaller> #2 should work the same way. it uses a backup method to detect removal just in case
23:26:13 <JohnTHaller> Oh, and if anyone is equally adventurous. Close the platform. You can hop in task manager and kill explorer. Keep it open and manually go and start the platform. It'll run (it used to crash with no systray). You can re reun it to appear when it goes away. close it like normal. then run explorer.exe in task manager
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23:27:53 <daBomb691> So, run PAP, then kill explorer, then run explorer again?
23:28:54 <daBomb691> right?
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23:30:10 <daBomb691> ok, explorers dead
23:30:11 <JohnTHaller> no. kill explorer. then run PAP (you can use task manager). it'll work. then you can restart explorer
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23:32:54 <daBomb691> it worked!
23:35:50 <JohnTHaller> cool. that's what was preventing it from working in bartpe and similar
23:35:57 <daBomb691> oh
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23:36:27 <pabot> JacobMastel is an amature AHK coder. If you need/want a script ask him he might do it for ya ;)
23:41:25 <daBomb691> So, now there's 3 bug fixes in 1.5.1, are there any more bugs we need to test?
23:42:07 <daBomb691> JacobMastel: You fixed your spelling!
23:42:13 <JacobMastel> I did :P
23:42:19 <daBomb691> Yay!
23:44:14 <JohnTHaller> i think we're good
23:44:28 <daBomb691> yay!
23:44:47 <JacobMastel> K I got Xenon up on the Dev page...any requests for the next?
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23:45:05 <daBomb691> Hello pa_0054
23:46:59 <sar3th> gotta go now. l8tr guys
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23:47:56 <Roamer> lol, nice quit...
23:48:02 <JohnTHaller> ok, i think we're good on the testing now.
23:48:08 <Roamer> hey wait a second...
23:48:19 <JohnTHaller> I'm just verifying XP/vista/2k normal and guest and win98
23:48:22 <MaienM|Sleep> JacobMastel: you mean the test releases page?
23:48:25 <JacobMastel> Yes
23:49:01 <MaienM|Sleep> I updated TMWPortable (and made a post for it) but it hasn't been updated on the test releases page yet
23:49:11 <JohnTHaller> Ok, back later
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23:49:17 <MaienM|Sleep> JacobMastel: http://portableapps.com/development/test#comment-113520
23:49:49 <JacobMastel> no I ment this
23:49:51 <JacobMastel> http://portableapps.com/development/test/status
23:50:07 <MaienM|Sleep> oh, well then, my bad :P
23:50:29 <MaienM|Sleep> anyway, really off to bed now
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23:50:44 <daBomb691> goodnight MaienM|Sleep
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