IRC Log from 2009-04-10

00:03:04 <gluxon> Hm... a question... I've googled but can't find answers, what advantages/disadvanteges are there of C and C++?
00:03:22 <daBomb69> C++ is C with some more commands and stuff
00:03:58 <gluxon> That's the only difference?
00:04:20 <daBomb69> Yup, basically
00:05:08 <Gizmokid2005> C++ is more widely used also
00:05:14 <Gizmokid2005> more popular, it's better to know
00:07:22 <gluxon> OKay.
00:07:26 <gluxon> What about platform support?
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00:08:30 <gluxon> Hello AppGuy
00:09:54 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: can't say for sure on that.
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00:10:16 <gluxon> OKay.
00:10:19 <gluxon> I'll go for C++
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00:18:15 <daBomb69> Do we have enough ZachThibeau's?
00:18:25 <Oni-Neoxes> no
00:18:29 <Oni-Neoxes> We need 16 more
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00:18:47 <daBomb69> I guess Zach decided we had more than enough of him
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00:30:31 <gluxon> daBomb69: What are you talking about?
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00:58:36 <Gizmokid2005> hello rmccue
00:58:47 <rmccue> O_O
00:58:56 <daBomb69> Hi rmccue
00:59:04 <Gizmokid2005> o_O
00:59:07 <Gizmokid2005> ?
01:01:52 <gluxon> YES!!! Fully functional, Portable Java supported Eclipse Portable is on the way!!! :D
01:07:01 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: you going to revive pabot?
01:07:10 <Gizmokid2005> or shall I bring gizmobot back in after I'm done updating?
01:12:29 <rmccue> Gizmokid2005: Father dearest was using the computer. I shall now rectify.
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01:13:13 <Gizmokid2005> haha k :)
01:13:24 <daBomb69> pabot!
01:13:25 <pabot> daBomb69!
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01:14:32 <rmccue> Bye Gizmokid2005|AFK!
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01:38:21 <pabot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
01:38:23 <Bensawsome> >_>
01:38:27 <Bensawsome> :DDDDDDDDD
01:40:26 <gluxon> Crude...
01:40:35 <gluxon> Google Code does have a file limit size!!! :(
01:40:49 <gluxon> Bensawsome: How old are you?
01:41:16 <Bensawsome> D:
01:41:19 <Bensawsome> it does gluxon? D:
01:41:24 <gluxon> 100 MB
01:41:28 <Bensawsome> :/
01:41:31 <Bensawsome> damn file hosters
01:42:09 <gluxon> (6:44:38 PM) gluxon: Bensawsome: How old are you?
01:43:11 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> wow...after downloading 89 updates, AND SP3, I still have 24 more updates to install...
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01:43:56 <Bensawsome> ?
01:43:58 <Bensawsome> why
01:44:07 <Bensawsome> @ gluxon i mean
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01:44:37 <SergentSiler> :o
01:44:47 <daBomb69> pabot :'(
01:44:55 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: ??
01:44:57 <Gizmokid2005> pabot already?
01:45:21 <gluxon> Bensawsome: If you're over 18, do you mind setting up a SF.net account for me?
01:45:42 <Bensawsome> get in ot for a sec gluxon
01:45:42 <ZachThibeau> sf.net=FTL
01:47:00 <rmccue> Oh carp.
01:47:08 <gluxon> Ya know what? acronyms are overrated.
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01:47:54 <daBomb69> Hi powerjuce
01:48:07 <powerjuce> wassup
01:48:10 <powerjuce> btw where is pabot
01:48:23 <daBomb69> He died about 2 minutes ago
01:48:50 <Bensawsome> lol rmccue failed :P
01:48:56 <ZachThibeau> howdy powerjuce
01:49:10 <powerjuce> hahaha
01:49:14 <powerjuce> hey ZachThibeau
01:49:20 <powerjuce> hey ben
01:52:48 <Bensawsome> ohai powerjuce
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02:27:32 <rmccue> pabot died because the computer was unplugged. :P
02:27:41 <daBomb69> lol
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02:32:35 <Gizmokid2005> good job rmccue :P
02:35:00 <Bensawsome> LOL rmccue :P
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02:49:09 <daBomb69> Night Ya'll
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03:39:41 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is now working on a youtube Series about open source games and apps (also uploads random ones too)!Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/user/onineoxes
03:40:55 <Oni-Neoxes> pabot is back :D!
03:44:14 <Oni-Neoxes> who is the Warden?
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03:45:12 <pabot> dragonmage is a skinner, who mostly just ports other's skins to different apps. Beta tester, Feature Suggester, and pretty much an idea man.
03:45:44 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello there dragonmage
03:46:00 <dragonmage> hello
03:46:14 <Oni-Neoxes> what are you up to?
03:47:25 <dragonmage> just got in from work
03:47:34 <Oni-Neoxes> cool
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04:09:41 <TaffinFoxcroft> ohai everyone
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04:11:08 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello TaffinFoxcroft!
04:11:19 <TaffinFoxcroft> how goes the zdoom?
04:11:48 <Oni-Neoxes> awesome
04:11:54 <Oni-Neoxes> although no one wants to play with me D:
04:11:57 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
04:14:53 * Bensawsome stabs Oni-Neoxes
04:14:58 <Oni-Neoxes> D:
04:16:00 * TaffinFoxcroft pours anti-stab onto Oni-Neoxes
04:16:05 <Oni-Neoxes> :D
04:16:26 <Oni-Neoxes> TaffinFoxcroft: Bensawsome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGo0qzAxdAw
04:16:31 <Oni-Neoxes> mah newest video :D
04:16:36 <Oni-Neoxes> still being processed though
04:16:43 * TaffinFoxcroft then pours some anti-anti-stab on Oni-Neoxes and Bensawsome :P
04:16:59 <Oni-Neoxes> o-o
04:17:00 <Oni-Neoxes> .-.
04:19:53 <Oni-Neoxes> TaffinFoxcroft: Bensawsome: Watch mah Video O:<
04:24:27 <Oni-Neoxes> OH YEA HQ :D!
04:25:09 <TaffinFoxcroft> ...hunh?
04:25:39 <Oni-Neoxes> TaffinFoxcroft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGo0qzAxdAw
04:25:43 <Oni-Neoxes> watch it!!!
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04:25:57 <pabot> Whibo is a portableapps.com user
04:26:29 <TaffinFoxcroft> ohai Whibo
04:26:32 <Bensawsome> wow
04:26:33 <Bensawsome> nice
04:26:39 <Bensawsome> i just got this AWESOME script :D
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04:27:40 <Oni-Neoxes> Thats Call of Cthulhu Bensawsome :B
04:28:22 * Bensawsome slaps Oni-Neoxes
04:28:25 <Bensawsome> stfu im testing
04:28:27 <Bensawsome> :P
04:28:30 <Oni-Neoxes> D:
04:29:11 <rmccue> .o youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGo0qzAxdAw
04:29:15 <pabot>  like this? http://media.skateboard.com.au/forum/images/peeeriudz.jpg
05:39:45 <Horusofoz> aww foul dude
05:40:25 <TaffinFoxcroft> australian skater people are full of strange things
05:42:09 <ChrisMorgan> huh?
05:43:02 <TaffinFoxcroft> the comic was posted on the skateboard.com.au forums, which is a site for australian skateboarders
05:43:23 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, but so what?
05:43:32 <ChrisMorgan> I'm more questioning /any/ relevance...
05:43:43 <Horusofoz> Umm I'll thinkyou'll find that humor type is universal amongst many sub-cultures within many countries incluing the US.
05:44:16 <TaffinFoxcroft> yes, but they don't make forum threads 500+ pages long with only that type of humour
05:47:41 <Horusofoz> Have you checked all the forum threads amongst all the US skateboarding forums?
05:48:48 <ChrisMorgan> Hey... I like the quote in ZachThibeau's signature... "The day Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start producing vaccuum cleaners." :D
05:49:00 <Horusofoz> :D
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05:52:54 <rmccue> I like this quote:
05:53:06 <rmccue> "Chris, often known as a whinging pom..."
05:53:20 <ChrisMorgan> rmccue: entirely inaccurate if talking about me.
05:53:24 <TaffinFoxcroft> =D
05:53:41 <TaffinFoxcroft> i dont know about that... =P
05:53:54 <rmccue> Anyway, I'm gonna go play some COD.
05:53:55 <rmccue> Let's vote.
05:53:57 <Horusofoz> I thought Chris was Aussie?
05:54:01 <ChrisMorgan> My parents are both Australian. They each had one Australian and one English parent.
05:54:09 <rmccue> Modern Warfare or World at War.
05:54:14 <rmccue> * ?
05:54:21 <TaffinFoxcroft> WaW
05:54:24 <Horusofoz> Nexuiz :p
05:54:38 <ChrisMorgan> Code::Blocks!
05:54:47 <ChrisMorgan> Portable!
05:54:49 <rmccue> ...
05:54:54 <Horusofoz> :p
05:55:00 <ChrisMorgan> ...:-)...
05:55:06 <rmccue> You must choose MW or WaW.
05:55:11 <ChrisMorgan> 8.02 Development Test 2!
05:55:18 <rmccue> ...
05:55:26 * TaffinFoxcroft disagrees until Code::Blocks has support for AHK
05:55:36 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft!?
05:55:47 <rmccue> OK, I'm going to play MW first, then WaW.
05:55:49 <rmccue> Bye all!
05:55:57 <ChrisMorgan> It's a C++ IDE! Why would it support AHK, and in what capacity!?
05:55:58 <Horusofoz> ciao
05:55:59 <rmccue> (I'll be on Steam if anyone needs me)
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05:56:35 <ChrisMorgan> letting off steam by playing games, that it?
05:56:52 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, you may groan if you must :D
05:56:54 <TaffinFoxcroft> steam as in the gamer network.
05:57:25 <Horusofoz> I'm gonna jet too. catch ya'll :)
05:57:35 <ChrisMorgan> I know... only because of previous mentions though...
05:57:38 <ChrisMorgan> bye Horusofoz
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06:51:42 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: how're you going commenting on Code::Blocks Portable 8.02 Development Test 2?
06:52:01 <TaffinFoxcroft> oh, I got sidetracked working on TwoNote
06:52:30 <ChrisMorgan> TwoNote? Twice as bad as OneNote, or twice as good? Can't be anything either way though ;-)
06:52:55 <TaffinFoxcroft> its a OneNote clone in AHK
06:53:02 <ChrisMorgan> Scary.
06:53:19 <TaffinFoxcroft> it uses XML files for notes btw.
06:53:34 <ChrisMorgan> :-( I just ran out of memory (currently 32MB maximum for PHP) fetching about 9000 rows from an Access Database (42 fields, some enormous)...
06:53:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hardly surprising though!
06:53:50 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: Even scarier
06:54:22 <ChrisMorgan> Isn't it tragic... it fails trying to allocate a mere 16 bytes :P
06:56:10 <TaffinFoxcroft> wanna try it chris?
06:56:23 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly; what does it actually do?
06:56:26 <ChrisMorgan> How big is it?
06:56:41 <TaffinFoxcroft> size is small
06:56:53 <ChrisMorgan> Good... so it should be.
06:58:57 <TaffinFoxcroft> http://cubegames.net/taneth/uploads/ahk/TwoNote.zip
06:59:32 <ChrisMorgan> 3648 bytes... big... ;-)
07:00:02 <TaffinFoxcroft> if you want me to compile it...
07:00:07 <ChrisMorgan> :P
07:00:44 <ChrisMorgan> Error at line 230
07:00:53 <TaffinFoxcroft> grrr
07:01:05 <ChrisMorgan> If Not , eTitle Or Not NoteCategory
07:01:22 <ChrisMorgan> Looks like it should be If, Not eTitle Or Not NoteCategory
07:02:53 <ChrisMorgan> If (!NoteTitle Or !NoteCategory)
07:03:09 <TaffinFoxcroft> aha, thats the one.
07:03:20 <ChrisMorgan> Of If (Not NoteTitle Or Not NoteCategory
07:03:21 <ChrisMorgan> )
07:03:25 <ChrisMorgan> *Or
07:03:34 <ChrisMorgan> Then it chokes on xpath_load
07:03:38 <ChrisMorgan> nonexistant function
07:03:43 <ChrisMorgan> *nonexistEnt
07:04:14 <TaffinFoxcroft> ah, i forgot to include xpath
07:04:28 <ChrisMorgan> Really, how do you expect it to work when line 23 is commented out and I don't get xpath.ahk?
07:05:28 <TaffinFoxcroft> geez chris, useful comments only :P
07:05:40 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
07:05:41 <ChrisMorgan> :P
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07:07:17 <TaffinFoxcroft> ohai SergentSiler_
07:10:19 <ChrisMorgan> Yeouch... those 8712 rows of 42 fields each worked with a 64M PHP memory limit, and encoded as JSON, all up it's... 7 megabytes.
07:11:38 <TaffinFoxcroft> why do you have that many fields in an access database anyway?
07:12:48 <ChrisMorgan> Don't ask me... it isn't my database. I'm just making an CodeIgniter + Ext JS + Google Gears (later) + anything else we think of frontend to it... mainly for centralisation.
07:13:33 <TaffinFoxcroft> ah, k
07:14:19 <TaffinFoxcroft> brb, restart
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07:21:45 * ChrisMorgan made the mistake of trying to load the whole thing (i.e. getting Ext JS to load this 7MB/8712 rows into a grid) in Google Chrome... :D
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07:22:59 <ChrisMorgan> I stopped it before it got too far... and memory usage (512MB total) went down to less than 50% (was at about 100%)
07:23:03 <ChrisMorgan> pabot!
07:23:03 <pabot> ChrisMorgan!
07:23:24 <TaffinFoxcroft> ChrisMorgan: clear cache and redownload?
07:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> Ah good, I didn't drop out completely (lost connection to Mibbit temporarily)
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07:23:42 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: of your TwoNote thing?
07:23:49 <TaffinFoxcroft> yeper
07:23:51 <Horusofoz> forums just been hit by a spammer
07:23:52 * ChrisMorgan uses wget... no need to clear caches!
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07:24:07 <Horusofoz> user wowgold
07:24:09 <TaffinFoxcroft> good move chris
07:24:44 <Horusofoz> 5 spams as far as I can tell
07:24:53 <TaffinFoxcroft> Horusofoz: wow, i hate most things WoW related
07:25:27 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: wow, it's grown!
07:25:44 <TaffinFoxcroft> i pre-compiled this time as well, for ease
07:25:48 <ChrisMorgan> Why did you include the exe?
07:26:04 <TaffinFoxcroft> for ease
07:26:13 <ChrisMorgan> I prefer it out myself.
07:26:19 <ChrisMorgan> I have my own copy of AHK :-)
07:26:35 <ChrisMorgan> btw, you should always specify an include as absolute (e.g. %A_ScriptDir%\xpath.ahk)
07:26:45 <ChrisMorgan> That way it doesn't depend on the correct working directory
07:26:55 <TaffinFoxcroft> yeah, I'll fix that next release
07:27:11 <TaffinFoxcroft> Horusofoz: he hit 6 threads
07:27:19 <TaffinFoxcroft> http://portableapps.com/user/112049/track
07:28:02 <Horusofoz> any mods here who can delete the posts?
07:28:22 <ChrisMorgan> Sadly not :-(
07:28:37 * ChrisMorgan summons JohnTHaller ;-)
07:28:39 <ChrisMorgan> *summon*
07:28:47 <ChrisMorgan> Unfortunately my summoning radius is not large enough ;-)
07:29:13 <TaffinFoxcroft> although you contact rmccue on steam
07:30:00 <Horusofoz> Please make note of it for John. Should help when he knows the user name so can remove the account and all posts quicker. Hopefully people replying saying spam to the posts doesn't make it harder
07:30:07 <Horusofoz> never used steam
07:30:17 <ChrisMorgan> I commented at http://portableapps.com/node/18877
07:30:41 <ChrisMorgan> No, admins can delete post trees easily
07:30:51 <Horusofoz> cool :)
07:31:33 <Horusofoz> I wonder if blizzard have any idea how much there product is used by spammers
07:31:57 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: have you done a more in-depth review for http://portableapps.com/development/test/status?
07:32:00 <Horusofoz> would the spammers be getting paid by blizzard or ould there be a few marketing\advertising middlemen between them?
07:32:11 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: safer not to ask :P
07:33:05 <Horusofoz> :D
07:33:33 <Horusofoz> that status page is pretty out of date for the mana world. it shows dev test 3 when its up to pre-release 3
07:34:27 <Horusofoz> hope its ok I looked at it. Never seen it before but think it's a good idea
07:34:39 <ChrisMorgan> That's because the PRs haven't been RTT
07:35:07 <ChrisMorgan> I'd say that DT3 was the latest RTT
07:35:29 * ChrisMorgan feels sorry for Gizmokid2005|AFK with the whole KVIrc mess :-(
07:35:32 <Horusofoz> ok
07:36:07 * ChrisMorgan just wishes that Trolltech had just released one last version of 3.5 with the new licensing to fix up apps temporarily :-(
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08:24:39 <Horusofoz> kkkoooeeee
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08:30:41 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
08:31:03 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: kkkoooeee :-)
08:31:50 <Horusofoz> :D
08:32:00 <ChrisMorgan> The computer froze completely... so I reset it. Then we had tea. Hamburgers... not white/green/maroon/puce/{color\*} tea... then I got to start this once more
08:32:07 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: thanks for the d/t/s update :-)
08:32:11 <ChrisMorgan> Do you reckon it's ready for PR?
08:32:44 <TaffinFoxcroft> grr, halo just froze up
08:32:53 <ChrisMorgan> Hah!
08:33:02 <ChrisMorgan> Good to see mod SL has removed the spammer's posts :-)
08:33:30 * TaffinFoxcroft is not happy that halo died :(
08:33:40 * TaffinFoxcroft starts it again
08:34:00 <Horusofoz> steves on?
08:34:03 <ChrisMorgan> :o
08:34:10 <Horusofoz> time for toucan support :)
08:34:20 <ChrisMorgan> Not on IRC, but on the fora at least long enough to fix the spam posts
08:34:35 <ChrisMorgan> Singular = forum, plural = fora :D
08:34:45 <ChrisMorgan> (And yes, that is technically correct)
08:37:46 <Horusofoz> :'(
08:40:52 <ChrisMorgan> .tell daBomb69 C++ is a further development of C; its major feature is support for classes. Don't *ever* say to a geek that it's just "C with some more commands and stuff"! ;-)
08:40:53 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I'll pass that on when I next see daBomb69.
08:41:13 <ChrisMorgan> (http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/2009-04-10.txt right at the top if you're interested... :P)
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08:44:55 <pabot> ChrisMorgan42 is ChrisMorgan. ChrisMorgan is the Bible guy :D
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08:59:27 <pabot> sar3th is happy that i'm back :)
08:59:42 <ChrisMorgan> Is that, sar3th is happy that pabot's back?
08:59:49 <sar3th> good morning everyone
08:59:55 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: yes :)
09:00:23 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: what are you thinking about doing with MinGW Portable?
09:00:58 <ChrisMorgan> If I can catch JohnTHaller on IRC, I suspect that we will soon be wanting it to be going ahead in some form, to go with Code::Blocks Portable
09:01:57 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: i'm working on it again now, i already have a few little modifications; however, i have not yet fixed the bug that the fstab file for msys is not handled properly, i want to fix that before releasing another dev test
09:02:12 <ChrisMorgan> fstab... what is the issue?
09:02:33 <sar3th> the driveletter is not replaced properly
09:02:56 <ChrisMorgan> OK... so you're needing to update the drive letter somewhere, that it?
09:03:00 <sar3th> fstab contains mountpoints, and mingw will be mounted to /mingw
09:03:04 <sar3th> yes
09:03:21 <sar3th> i used textreplace in file, but i must have mixed something up..
09:03:38 <ChrisMorgan> /mingw? Shouldn't that be /usr/bin or something like that?
09:04:10 <sar3th> usually not
09:04:21 <sar3th> in msys you invoke configure with --prefix=/mingw
09:04:32 <ChrisMorgan> ah k
09:04:34 <ChrisMorgan> that makes sense
09:04:39 <ChrisMorgan> What's the syntax of the file like?
09:04:40 <sar3th> and msys brings its own /usr/bin if i remember correctly
09:04:42 <ChrisMorgan> text file?
09:04:44 <ChrisMorgan> ah
09:04:45 <sar3th> yes
09:05:11 <ChrisMorgan> Could you pastebin a sample file for me?
09:05:17 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't downloaded your thingy
09:05:20 <sar3th> yes, hang on a second..
09:05:27 <ChrisMorgan> Or, what's the filename, fstab?
09:05:33 <sar3th> yeah
09:05:43 <sar3th> no extention
09:05:58 <ChrisMorgan> (MSYS is installed on this machine)
09:06:19 <ChrisMorgan> My one here is just two lines:
09:06:19 <ChrisMorgan> c:/programs/cbuilderx/mingw /mingw
09:06:21 <sar3th> its in /etc/fstab
09:06:21 <ChrisMorgan> c:/programs/mingw /mingw
09:06:26 <ChrisMorgan> I found it :D
09:06:40 <sar3th> yep
09:06:47 <ChrisMorgan> What's yours like, just that sort of thingy?
09:07:01 <ChrisMorgan> So your problem is that it's changing them to \?
09:07:12 <ChrisMorgan> You need to use a TextReplace of \ to /
09:07:20 <sar3th> no, i think i got that right, only the driveletter is not replaced properly
09:07:28 <ChrisMorgan> lowercase?
09:07:42 <ChrisMorgan> Could you please pastebin your fstab file and your code?
09:08:56 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: yes, but you have to wait a second, i'm not at home and i have to download the current dev files from my host
09:08:57 <ChrisMorgan> That way I can look at it for you :-)
09:10:07 <ChrisMorgan> OK, if you're happy doing that then thanks :-)
09:10:35 <ChrisMorgan> 'Cos I can't at the moment... downloads go in the morning, otherwise we'd go over our monthly allowance too early
09:10:57 <ChrisMorgan> 4GB 12am-12pm, 2GB normal... and once the 2GB is gone, you lose the off-peak stuff
09:11:08 <sar3th> no problem
09:13:14 <ChrisMorgan> Doing our Bible readings now, be back here soon
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09:14:09 <sar3th> http://pastebin.com/d5e986f6d
09:14:23 <sar3th> and default fstab:
09:14:27 <sar3th> http://pastebin.com/d69182923
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10:15:10 <ChrisMorgan> bak
10:19:50 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th|afk: your problem is that it'll set it once, and then it'll never work again, as after the first time it'll be trying to replace MINGWDIR and HOMEDIR instead of X:/PortableApps/MinGWPortable/whatever
10:20:39 <ChrisMorgan> So what you need to do is write the path to the Settings.ini file (LastMinGWDirectory and LastHomeDirectory) and then find and replace /them/
10:20:53 <ChrisMorgan> Look at how other launchers do it... um... which launchers...
10:22:50 <TaffinFoxcroft> CoolPlayer+
10:24:06 <ChrisMorgan> thx
10:24:19 <TaffinFoxcroft> I think WinWGet's launcher does it, as well as XChat, VLC, and winmerge
10:24:43 <ChrisMorgan> I do it in a few of my launchers, just they get fuddled in my head :P
10:25:03 <ChrisMorgan> Most launchers will do it for the drive letter. Some will do it for full paths.
10:25:26 <TaffinFoxcroft> bbl
10:25:29 <ChrisMorgan> All apps that store MRU lists or *ever* use absolute paths should have it done
10:25:36 <ChrisMorgan> bye TaffinFoxcroft
10:25:41 <ChrisMorgan> .def bbl
10:25:41 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
10:25:42 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: bbl is "Be Back Later", or "bubble" to ChrisMorgan ;-)
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10:33:10 <Horusofoz> how is it you all get the pabot talking so much?
10:35:50 <ChrisMorgan> .def ChrisMorgan
10:35:52 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
10:36:08 <ChrisMorgan> .def #portableapps
10:36:09 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: #portableapps is for discussion of PortableApps.com - stop going off topic, or go to #portableapps-ot ;-)
10:36:23 <ChrisMorgan> .def squiggle
10:36:24 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I have no idea who or what squiggle is.
10:36:29 <ChrisMorgan> .def Horusofoz
10:36:31 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I have no idea who or what Horusofoz is.
10:36:36 <ChrisMorgan> see?
10:37:16 <Horusofoz> how do you set the definition?
10:38:08 <ChrisMorgan> pabot: help def
10:38:09 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: .def <thing> is|are|has|was|runs|thinks|knows|may|wants <definition> - Heralds people as the enter and can recall definitions with .def <thing>. Definitions compound
10:38:09 <pabot> e.g. .def pabot is cool!
10:38:32 <Horusofoz> .def horusofoz
10:38:33 <pabot> Horusofoz: I have no idea who or what horusofoz is.
10:38:37 <ChrisMorgan> .def Horusofoz is something or other... but you can only change his def outside #portableapps - try PM
10:38:38 <pabot> .def manipulation is only allowed in #rmccue
10:38:54 <ChrisMorgan> Actually it's just anywhere other than #portableapps*
10:38:58 <ChrisMorgan> So PM works
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10:39:19 <sar3th> Horusofoz: please change your .defs only in #rmccue
10:39:36 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: ok, got what I said? If not, look back a bit
10:39:39 <Horusofoz> how to get there
10:39:41 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: please only suggest changing in #rmccue
10:39:48 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: reading at the moment
10:39:54 <sar3th> Horusofoz: /join #rmccue
10:40:17 <Horusofoz> cheers
10:40:26 <ChrisMorgan> PM works just as well.
10:40:47 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: isn't that what my lines 199-209 do?
10:41:07 <ChrisMorgan> No - I'll take the first
10:41:14 <Horusofoz> .def Horusofoz
10:41:15 <pabot> Horusofoz: Horusofoz is an Ubernoob who will probably ask a lot of noobish questions.
10:41:30 <ChrisMorgan> It only replaces the string "MINGWDIR" with X:\path.
10:41:46 <ChrisMorgan> Then next time I come to it and the file has X:\path in - not a "MINGWDIR" around to replace!
10:41:47 <ChrisMorgan> see?
10:42:10 <sar3th> yes..then line 188 will head over to line 199
10:42:21 <sar3th> at least that's what i wanted it to do
10:42:30 <ChrisMorgan> ah yeah, didn't notice that.
10:43:02 <ChrisMorgan> "Fehler korrigieren"?
10:43:14 <sar3th> german for 'correct mistake' :-[
10:43:25 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
10:43:53 <ChrisMorgan> You really should make it always put in the correct path, so that:
10:43:54 <sar3th> i have forgotten to change it to english
10:44:28 <Horusofoz> who scripted the pabot responses?
10:44:41 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: talk to pabot about it:
10:44:45 <ChrisMorgan> pabot: help?
10:44:47 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is rmccue.
10:45:05 <ChrisMorgan> I install to X:\abc. It sets the path to X:/abc. I move it to P:\xyz. All it does is change the stored thing to "P:/abc" which is not where it is any more
10:45:43 <ChrisMorgan> That's why storing the last paths is a more accurate way of doing it whereever it's not just a drive letter you're using but a reference to the installation directory
10:45:44 <sar3th> ah k..i see your point
10:45:55 <ChrisMorgan> You could look at how BPBible does
10:45:56 <ChrisMorgan> it
10:46:04 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible does *three* such things!
10:46:13 <ChrisMorgan> And may do more once SwordBible Portable paths are sorted out properly
10:47:00 <sar3th> okay, i'll look at bpb's source as soon as possible then :)
10:47:24 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible's codebase is also a bit old. I need to update it to use things like the new ReadINIStrWithDefault macro
10:47:32 <TaffinFoxcroft> ChrisMorgan: SwordBible portable stores its modules in Data, doesn't it?
10:47:37 <ChrisMorgan> No.
10:47:49 <ChrisMorgan> They've got to go in App\SwordBible I believe
10:47:58 <ChrisMorgan> \mods.d and \modules then of course
10:48:07 <TaffinFoxcroft> they go in Data for me.
10:48:18 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible Portable was the first launcher for PortableApps.com I did, and the most complex I've done.
10:48:23 <ChrisMorgan> huh?
10:48:30 <ChrisMorgan> Does your copy also do the ODBC stuff then?
10:48:43 <TaffinFoxcroft> my copy is DT2, and I haven
10:48:49 <TaffinFoxcroft> 't checked that yet
10:49:28 <ChrisMorgan> I downloaded DT2, definitely DT2, but it doesn't do any of that stuff. The launcher purely shows the (incorrect) splash screen (in the wrong way), sets the outpath and launches it.
10:49:38 <ChrisMorgan> It doesn't use the Data directory *at all*
10:50:27 <ChrisMorgan> btw TaffinFoxcroft I don't like the way you were describing my talk about it... though I have gone too far... I think it would have helped if jc1 actually tried to fix the issues :-(
10:50:36 * TaffinFoxcroft does tree of Data
10:51:13 <TaffinFoxcroft> http://pastebin.com/d3ed226ab
10:51:21 <ChrisMorgan> If he hadn't done it I would have done it by now I think. But now PortableApps.com developer ethics (:s) are keeping me from just making a proper launcher for him :-(
10:52:07 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: "C:."?
10:52:31 <TaffinFoxcroft> not sure why. But i was in SwordBiblePortable\Data when i did that.
10:52:33 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: pa dev ethics?
10:52:56 <ChrisMorgan> Strange. Very strange.
10:53:04 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: not taking over another person's app...
10:53:13 <sar3th> ah k
10:53:42 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: this is the launcher that I have: http://pastebin.com/m58e44594
10:54:31 <ChrisMorgan> Is that the Other\Source\SwordBiblePortable.nsi you have?
10:54:34 <TaffinFoxcroft> same, he made the changes to the base app
10:54:44 <ChrisMorgan> But... but..?
10:55:05 <TaffinFoxcroft> it works for me. try a fresh install.
10:55:38 <ChrisMorgan> It runs OK, I just (quietly, with an embarassed look) hadn't run the install manager
10:55:52 <ChrisMorgan> He's not allowed to do that! It should be SwordBible proper, not a modified version. If he wants to modify it, he can modify it, commit the code and put in some switch or something!
10:55:56 <ChrisMorgan> :o
10:56:14 <ChrisMorgan> I just (erroneously, it seems) assumed that he would use the official release of SwordBible...
10:56:32 <ChrisMorgan> Unethical behaviour, modifying the base app ;-)
10:57:19 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I guess I'd better get back there, apologise, and ask that he produce his modifications - under the GPL - so that a) it can be legal at PortableApps.com and b) we can check the code
10:58:01 <sar3th> imo that's a good idea..i followed part of your discussion and personally think it'd be best :)
10:58:18 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah. Hopefully he'll come back.
10:59:08 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible uses a different /build/ for the Portable version, but the same code. The separate build just bundles the files and compresses it (at py2exe level rather than just upx level which it also does).
10:59:29 <ChrisMorgan> If you have a Python project, steal BPBible's make_py2exe and make_release scripts - they're /really/ good!
11:00:21 <TaffinFoxcroft> why not use the more compressed version in the main app?
11:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean? That's what it does.
11:00:49 <TaffinFoxcroft> i.e. offer the compressed version in a installer (not PAF)
11:00:55 <ChrisMorgan> ah
11:01:08 <ChrisMorgan> Because the installer is smaller not compressed, and will normally run a bit faster
11:01:20 * TaffinFoxcroft takes note that he needs to practise his wording
11:01:25 <ChrisMorgan> :P
11:01:45 <ChrisMorgan> It's actually a difference something like 5.5MB to 6-7MB
11:01:52 <ChrisMorgan> Can't remember the exact figures.
11:02:35 <TaffinFoxcroft> so its a bit, but still livable.
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11:02:58 <ChrisMorgan> oh yeah, it'll be bigger than that when a XUL version comes out.
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11:03:05 <TaffinFoxcroft> XUL version?
11:03:10 <TaffinFoxcroft> hmmm.
11:03:13 <ChrisMorgan> XUL.
11:03:18 <ChrisMorgan> Look at the XUL branch in SVN
11:03:24 <ChrisMorgan> Coming along nicely.
11:03:53 <sar3th> Horusofoz: join me in #rmccue again please
11:03:59 <ChrisMorgan> It'll be larger because it has to include XULRunner, PyXPCOM and Python
11:04:17 <TaffinFoxcroft> and theres an installmgr in there as well :D
11:04:20 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: you should add your favourite line "Don't make me make you turn the other cheek" to your def :P
11:04:27 <ChrisMorgan> installmgr in where?
11:04:44 <TaffinFoxcroft> in the SVN under branches
11:05:00 <TaffinFoxcroft> http://code.google.com/p/bpbible/source/browse/#svn/branches/installmgr
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11:05:04 <pabot> ChrisMorgan42 is ChrisMorgan. ChrisMorgan is the Bible guy :D
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11:05:17 <ChrisMorgan> got caught again :-(
11:05:22 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: try it ;-)
11:05:22 <TaffinFoxcroft> that seems to be happening alot.
11:05:43 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah... I think I'll fix it now so it can't happen again tonight. BRB
11:05:57 <TaffinFoxcroft> .def brb
11:05:58 <pabot> TaffinFoxcroft: brb is "Be Right Back", or "brub" to ChrisMorgan ;-)
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11:06:08 <pabot> ChrisMorgan42 is ChrisMorgan. ChrisMorgan is the Bible guy :D
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11:06:38 <ChrisMorgan> OK, fixed now.
11:07:35 <ChrisMorgan> The problem is that in Google Chrome if you open a site from a new tab, it's not the first in the history - the "new tab" page is. So when you go Alt+Left to go to a tab to the left in Mibbit... wham.
11:07:59 <TaffinFoxcroft> lulz
11:08:04 <ChrisMorgan> So the solution is to open a /link/ to http://mibbit.com/chat/ in a new tab. That way it has no history, so alt+left and alt+right both work properly.
11:08:15 <TaffinFoxcroft> which version of chrome?
11:08:16 <ChrisMorgan> In Firefox the web page can catch it. In Google Chrome it can't.
11:08:20 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: another solution would be to use xchat instead ;)
11:08:26 <ChrisMorgan> 1.0.154.53 (Official Build 11798)
11:08:34 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: SACRILEGE!
11:08:40 <TaffinFoxcroft> why not use the latest SVN compiles?
11:08:52 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: because this is what we've got installed.
11:08:53 <TaffinFoxcroft> btw, there's nothing wrong with xchat
11:09:09 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll just stop talking about it now.
11:09:33 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: installmgr branch is a stationary work in progress. It doesn't really work properly at all.
11:09:40 <ChrisMorgan> Ben hasn't been working on it for quite some time.
11:10:22 <TaffinFoxcroft> 0.6 is going to be the first XUL version, right?
11:10:28 <ChrisMorgan> Mayhap.
11:11:00 <ChrisMorgan> 0.4.3 is due out 9 days ago -> today -> tomorrow -> who knows when
11:11:06 <ChrisMorgan> 0.5 is due out when it comes.
11:11:08 <ChrisMorgan> 0.6 is due out when it comes.
11:11:13 <ChrisMorgan> There may be other releases too
11:11:32 <sar3th> it comes "when it's done" :D
11:11:52 <ChrisMorgan> Marvellous. Because someone used a space in the table name, I can't do anything with the table.
11:12:09 <ChrisMorgan> Correction! I can do [table name] and it works! :-)
11:12:29 * TaffinFoxcroft wonder what chris is doing
11:13:27 <Horusofoz> rmmcue
11:13:55 <sar3th> Horusofoz: #rmccue
11:19:30 <Horusofoz> .def Horusofoz
11:19:31 <pabot> Horusofoz: Horusofoz is a long-term PortableApps.com user who can offer some low-level app support. But be nice and don't make him make you turn the other cheek!
11:19:37 <Horusofoz> :)
11:20:06 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: part and rejoin!
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11:20:31 <pabot> Horusofoz is a long-term PortableApps.com user who can offer some low-level app support. But be nice and don't make him make you turn the other cheek!
11:20:48 <Horusofoz> Sweet :)
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11:36:00 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: just checking, the place where the modules go, was that SwordBiblePortable\Data or SwordBiblePortable\Data\installMgr?
11:36:44 <TaffinFoxcroft> I would say the first
11:37:09 <ChrisMorgan> So they end up with SwordBiblePortable\Data\(mods.d and modules)?
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11:37:23 <TaffinFoxcroft> yes.
11:37:25 <ChrisMorgan> Good, thanks TaffinFoxcroft :-)
11:37:42 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/18584#comment-116828
11:38:00 <TaffinFoxcroft> if you wanted to, you could rewrite the SwordBible launcher and add interoperability into that as well...
11:38:31 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know; it'd probably easier to do it in with the C++ using the database connection or whatever that you've already got.
11:38:54 <ChrisMorgan> Now I'll actually look at the structure of the access database it uses.
11:39:20 <Horusofoz> ciao
11:39:24 <ChrisMorgan> OK. Data.mdb is bible reading planners
11:39:29 <ChrisMorgan> bye Horusofoz
11:39:38 <TaffinFoxcroft> bye Horusofoz
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11:40:14 <ChrisMorgan> And personal.mdb is a single table PersonalTable, which has two fields (Verse and Text) and one row in it ("NULL", "NULL")\
11:40:29 <ChrisMorgan> So I've got no closer to working out whether it supports multiple book locations :-(
11:41:15 <ChrisMorgan> Pity :-(
11:41:29 <TaffinFoxcroft> you could always help him code in a command line parameter or some form of environment variable
11:41:44 <TaffinFoxcroft> but that would require learning C/C++
11:42:09 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know enough about SwordBible - it may be that it does it some other way :-(
11:42:25 <ChrisMorgan> I'd really need to get to talk to him about it on IRC or something
11:42:38 * TaffinFoxcroft removes :-( from chris' vocabulary
11:42:41 <ChrisMorgan> 'Fraid I still feel the same way about the horribleness of its interface windowing system though :P
11:42:47 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
11:43:35 <TaffinFoxcroft> epic win on my behalf - I killed all the ESDs in a den! </pardus>
11:44:15 <ChrisMorgan> epic win on my behalf - TaffinFoxcroft didn't didn't remove ":/" from my vocabulary!
11:44:28 <ChrisMorgan> So now I'll use it: :/
11:44:30 <ChrisMorgan> :s
11:44:42 <ChrisMorgan> :/, :s as well, in fact!
11:44:45 <TaffinFoxcroft> StringReplace, ChrisVocab, ChrisVocab, :*
11:45:09 <TaffinFoxcroft> wait a sec, that command doesn't support wildcards...
11:45:47 <ChrisMorgan> No, it doesn't, does it!
11:46:12 <TaffinFoxcroft> I would have to use RegExReplace, but it never worked for me
11:46:18 <ChrisMorgan> s/:[-'^]?.//
11:46:25 <ChrisMorgan> Why not? Works for me...
11:46:40 <ChrisMorgan> You need to know how to use regular expressions, sure, but that's no problem.
11:46:57 <TaffinFoxcroft> any form of regex looks like disassembled ascii art to me :P
11:47:09 <ChrisMorgan> btw, my regex gets rid of : followed by any character, with an optional -, ' or ^ inbetween.
11:47:13 <ChrisMorgan> >_<
11:47:15 <ChrisMorgan> :P
11:47:17 <ChrisMorgan> ^_^
11:47:20 <ChrisMorgan> :s
11:48:50 <TaffinFoxcroft> darn it, ran out of APs and i dont have any "candy"
11:49:34 <ChrisMorgan> :s indeed!
11:49:41 <ChrisMorgan> Indeed, "very :s"!
11:49:52 <ChrisMorgan> So much so that I'm wondering whether I should get out of here...
11:50:11 * TaffinFoxcroft thinks that chris needs to get outside more
11:50:21 <ChrisMorgan> We need to get to the bottom of this N++ 5.1.3 breakage though
11:50:26 <ChrisMorgan> That's what I'm looking at ATM
11:50:56 <TaffinFoxcroft> 5.1.3? the latest is 5.3.1
11:51:08 <ChrisMorgan> s/5.1.3/5.3.1/
11:51:16 <ChrisMorgan> s/5\.1\.3/5\.3\.1/
11:51:17 <ChrisMorgan> :P
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11:53:06 <TaffinFoxcroft> /kick ChrisMorgan RegEx showoff
11:53:55 <TaffinFoxcroft> quick, someone place a ban :P
11:54:46 * TaffinFoxcroft thinks that chris is refreshing the logs...
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11:56:24 <pabot> ChrisMorgan thinks that curiosity killed the cat... BUT WHAT'S GOING ON WHILE I'M AWAY!? :P
11:56:46 <ChrisMorgan> There, now I can fix up my def :P
11:57:20 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: I actually only looked at the logs after I'd rejoined.
11:57:30 <ChrisMorgan> ain't it a pity that palogbot can't show kicks?
11:57:53 <ChrisMorgan> for the logs: /I/ kicked myself with the info "RegEx showoff" :P
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12:01:05 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I want to see what happens when I try to load 1509 results of 31 fields each from an Access database into an Ext JS grid panel... I want all the memory I can get for this final test, so goodnight all y'all ;-)
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12:12:17 <pabot> Horusofoz is a long-term PortableApps.com user who can offer some low-level app support. But be nice and don't make him make you turn the other cheek!
12:12:29 <Horusofoz> Back again:)
12:12:36 <sar3th> wb Horusofoz
12:13:12 <onestoploser> halloo Horusofoz
12:13:16 <Horusofoz> sar3th: ?
12:13:28 <sar3th> .def wb
12:13:32 <pabot> sar3th: I have no idea who or what wb is.
12:13:36 <sar3th> D:
12:13:39 <Horusofoz> lol
12:13:55 <Horusofoz> Can anyone help with a portable alternative to windows movie maker?
12:13:56 <onestoploser> lmao
12:14:07 <onestoploser> VirtualDub?
12:14:29 <onestoploser> wb = welcome back
12:14:34 <Horusofoz> Something a little easier preferably
12:14:41 <Horusofoz> ohh
12:14:43 <Horusofoz> cheers
12:15:07 <Horusofoz> I undrstand VirtualDub has decent functionality but I can't figure the GUI
12:15:13 <onestoploser> VirtualDub really isn't very hard.
12:15:25 <Horusofoz> I can't figure the GUI :(
12:15:28 <onestoploser> Any good tutorial online should help you.
12:15:46 <taneth111> you could try Avidemux
12:15:50 <onestoploser> As far as other programs, I don't know of any other portable ones.
12:16:23 <onestoploser> Avidemux is like an easier VirtualDub, but the DT one on PA.com is a pretty old version.
12:16:45 <Horusofoz> I used to have Avidemux but alpha1 seems to have dropped dev. Pity it only leaves a folder behind in my documents. search the forums for more detail
12:16:50 <onestoploser> .g avidemux
12:16:51 <pabot> onestoploser: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
12:17:27 <onestoploser> http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/download.html
12:17:28 <Horusofoz> I've used and really like Avidemux but portable development seems to have ceased
12:17:40 <Horusofoz> I know the app onstop loser
12:17:46 <onestoploser> There's a .zip version there, but I don't know if it leaves anything behind.
12:17:55 <sar3th> .pa avidemux
12:18:05 <onestoploser> Horusofoz: I know. ;)
12:18:21 <onestoploser> I was just checking if there was a portable version on the main site.
12:18:34 <Horusofoz> I actually really like it but no one had picked up alpha1's development :(
12:18:46 * onestoploser likes it too.
12:18:48 <Horusofoz> --hint hint nudge nudge
12:18:59 <onestoploser> I use it for basic encoding and such on Linux.
12:19:01 <Horusofoz> how to doo that thing
12:19:12 * onestoploser says This?
12:19:31 <onestoploser> ./me
12:19:36 <onestoploser> without the .
12:20:05 <Horusofoz> *** looks at all present with a pleading look and says Avidmeux is realy good
12:20:10 <Horusofoz> :p
12:20:12 <onestoploser> lol
12:20:25 <Horusofoz> *** Horusofox looks at all present with a pleading look and says Avidmeux is realy good
12:20:37 <Horusofoz> did any of them work?
12:20:49 <onestoploser> Horusofoz: /me looks at ...
12:21:27 <onestoploser> Try that command
12:22:25 * taneth111 notices that onestoploser seems new to IRC...
12:22:36 <onestoploser> Me?
12:22:52 <onestoploser> I was trying to show Horusofoz the /me command
12:23:06 <onestoploser> ;)
12:23:31 * Horusofoz tries this
12:23:39 * Horusofoz smiles :)
12:23:46 <onestoploser> ;)
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12:27:45 <onestoploser> >_>
12:29:12 * Horusofoz runs scared
12:29:28 <Horusofoz> gtg but take care and thanks again guys
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13:00:23 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
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13:17:25 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
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13:26:10 <alokdescent2002> is THERE ANY itunes portable
13:27:08 <KevinPorter> No, unfortunately, iTunes' license agreement makes a portable version illegal.
13:27:47 <KevinPorter> If you are looking for similar functionality, you might want to try the Songbird Portable beta: http://portableapps.com/node/17000
13:28:43 <alokdescent2002> portable apps are great but still they write to windows registry
13:29:18 <KevinPorter> The only keys from portable apps that are written are written by Windows, and we can't help that.
13:29:24 <KevinPorter> No settings are left on the host PC.
13:29:50 <sar3th> KevinPorter: yet we do write to the registry sometimes..we only clean up afterwards
13:30:06 <KevinPorter> Yes "No settings are left on the host PC." :)
13:31:24 <alokdescent2002> actually I'm using Limited User A/C in windows ... whenever i launch a portable apps it says You are not allowed to write to registry ... .What's that
13:31:36 <dbdii407> Ouch. :x
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13:32:08 <KevinPorter> What application are you running?
13:33:11 <alokdescent2002> chrome 2.173 portable , pidgin 2.5.5 , vlc 0.9.9
13:33:48 <KevinPorter> Interesting, because I use a limited account and each of those applications work just fine for me.
13:33:49 <ZachThibeau> did they come from portableapps.com at least the vlc and pidgin ones?
13:34:06 <alokdescent2002> yeah ..
13:35:21 <ZachThibeau> just making sure as there are some places where they take our apps and recompile them with their own changes and say they are from us or call it their own
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13:35:54 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually), and is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18711
13:37:10 <Gizmokid2005> hello all
13:37:21 <Gizmokid2005> onestoploser: I saw your mention of the first run window
13:37:26 <Gizmokid2005> I think I have that fixed in the next launcher.
13:37:37 <onestoploser> Sweet!
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13:38:08 <MaienM|Gone> hello Gizmokid2005
13:38:35 <Gizmokid2005> onestoploser: you can DL it here, it was just a quick fix that I did mainly for myself because a DLL that was needed wasn't included and my fresh VM didn't have it so I figured I'd package it into the app itself so that all the dependencies are there...and it includes the first run fix: http://gizmokid2005.com/files/portableapps/index.php?file=KVIrc_Portable_4.0.0.0_r3155_Dev_Test_3.paf.exe
13:38:38 <Gizmokid2005> hello MaienM|Gone
13:38:56 <onestoploser> Sweet
13:39:07 <onestoploser> brb
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13:40:37 <alokdescent2002> ADMIN
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13:42:43 <pabot> onestoploser is teh curry master and can't get enough PortableApps.com
13:42:48 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't posted it up yet, as I want to do more to it...but use away, and it should be ok...let me know if you find any issues with it.
13:45:44 <alokdescent2002> Google Chrome portable hard to find on P...A..com
13:46:07 <DaveDixonII> We dont have everything on PortableApps.com alokdescent2002
13:46:24 <onestoploser> .pa chrome portable
13:46:42 <DaveDixonII> Last I heard about Chrome Portable, JohnTHaller was doing something.
13:47:00 <onestoploser> http://portableapps.com/node/18051
13:47:02 <onestoploser> .title
13:47:06 <pabot> onestoploser: Google Chrome Portable 2.0.162.0 | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
13:47:20 <onestoploser> Dev Test
13:48:11 <onestoploser> .g srware iron
13:48:12 <pabot> onestoploser: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
13:48:40 <onestoploser> That's the best chrome portable I've used so far.
13:48:58 <onestoploser> Just dl the .zip and erxtract to your portable drive.
13:49:20 <alokdescent2002> chrome is available although on other sites like http://portableappz.blogspot.com/ even updated to latest build
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13:49:56 <onestoploser> That site hosts warez and such. I wouldn't trust anything from it.
13:50:07 <sar3th> please don't link that site in here!
13:50:15 <sar3th> and welcome andreasma
13:50:35 <andreasma> hi sar3th
13:51:04 <alokdescent2002> i wasn't aware since i Have used only Chrome from that Website
13:51:07 <andreasma> hi all
13:53:17 <KevinPorter> alokdescent2002: If you're interested in Chrome, I'd recommend you use this: http://portableapps.com/node/18051
13:54:29 <alokdescent2002> The build is old there
13:54:51 <alokdescent2002> chrome has reached 2.173
13:55:07 <sar3th> alokdescent2002: try srware iron, as onestoploser suggested previously
13:55:37 <onestoploser> As I said before, it's the best Chrome portable there is.
13:57:43 <alokdescent2002> Srware is good ....
14:00:08 <alokdescent2002> P..A..com doesn't releases beta or incremetal builds frequently
14:00:17 <alokdescent2002> isn't it
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14:00:35 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
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14:01:41 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello All
14:01:58 <onestoploser> hi Oni-Neoxes
14:02:36 <MaienM|Gone> alokdescent2002: it does of some apps, firefox for example
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14:04:11 <alokdescent2002> i will be glad if the same could done for other apps to like chrome
14:04:47 <alokdescent2002> :)
14:04:58 <onestoploser> Chrome is actually starting to shape into a better browser than a lot of people originally expected.
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14:05:25 <onestoploser> I don't think it's out of the question to seemore updates.
14:05:32 <onestoploser> *see more
14:06:04 <alokdescent2002> i bet
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14:06:37 <alokdescent2002> chrome is definitely a better Portable app .. slim and fast
14:07:50 <MaienM|Gone> I wouldn't agree on chrome being better then firefox, but it would (imho) be a good thing to have alternatives available.
14:07:58 <Oni-Neoxes> yesh
14:08:06 <Oni-Neoxes> It is very fast and I got my family to use it
14:08:10 <Oni-Neoxes> it's that simple!
14:08:28 <onestoploser> I didn't say it was better than Firefox, but it's still good.
14:08:38 <onestoploser> Opera FTW IMO
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14:09:23 <Oni-Neoxes> IMHO firefox is still top here
14:09:34 <Oni-Neoxes> but my second would be Opera or Chrome
14:10:13 <alokdescent2002> Firefox has great feature .... but Chrome still beats other in speed and Clean simple UI
14:10:42 <onestoploser> alokdescent2002: Use Iron. You'll love it. I guarantee. ;)
14:10:52 <Oni-Neoxes> onestoploser: that doesn't save anything though
14:11:21 <Oni-Neoxes> My Firefox is as fast as Chrome when loading >_>
14:11:23 <onestoploser> The official Iron Portable from their site works fine.
14:11:28 <onestoploser> SRWare
14:11:42 <onestoploser> Saves settings etc.
14:11:45 <Oni-Neoxes> Thats that German site. isn't it?
14:11:55 <onestoploser> Yeah, but it's in english too.
14:12:06 <Oni-Neoxes> :P
14:12:28 <Oni-Neoxes> But yea. Chrome has been shaping up lately and it's looking loads better
14:12:36 <onestoploser> Check the english link above. ^^^^^^
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14:15:19 <alokdescent2002> thanks all ... bye :-[
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14:17:39 <Gizmokid2005> You know...I was thinking...and this fix for KVIrc shouldn't be that hard.
14:19:10 <onestoploser> What fix?
14:20:07 <Gizmokid2005> onestoploser: to take care of the registry entries....because of the nature of them, I shouldn't have to back any up, as they are just file associations, it can just use the ones that currently exist, if there are any, and if not, just delete them on close..
14:20:18 <Gizmokid2005> I just have to figure out if there are different ones for limited accounts...then I can go from there
14:20:32 <onestoploser> Sounds like a plan. :)
14:20:43 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...
14:20:57 <Gizmokid2005> so depending on my mood today, and my level of motivation, I might do that.
14:21:07 <onestoploser> Nice!
14:21:13 * onestoploser motivates Gizmokid2005
14:21:23 <Oni-Neoxes> >_>
14:21:31 <Gizmokid2005> :P
14:22:33 <Gizmokid2005> it's no big hurry, it's not like KVIrc will be released anytime soon...
14:22:56 <onestoploser> Yeah, but you are starting to get quite a few users. :D
14:23:14 <Gizmokid2005> that I am.
14:23:24 <Gizmokid2005> but those users who have already used it, will have the associations already and the fix will be pointless
14:23:25 <Gizmokid2005> lol
14:23:35 <onestoploser> lol
14:23:46 <onestoploser> It will delete them though. XD
14:24:26 <Gizmokid2005> true...but it's going to check if they exist, and if they do it's not going to do anything...
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14:32:43 <KevinPorter> Hi pa_8727. Is there anything we can do for you?
14:33:30 <pa_8727> I just installed portableapps and was wanting it to autostart when you plug in the usb stick and to stay running when you select an app
14:34:06 <pa_8727> right now it goes away if you click an app in the menu.. and I have to browse to the startup exe again to get the menu back
14:34:11 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8727: the menu stays running, it just minimizes.
14:34:23 <Gizmokid2005> you should see an icon in your taskbar by your clock after you click an item
14:34:26 <Gizmokid2005> the menu doesn't close
14:34:50 <KevinPorter> Windows does not allow programs to be autorun from a USB drive as well.
14:35:10 <pa_8727> no, no icon on the taskbar
14:35:28 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8727: what version of windows, and there should be, in the bottom right...the Portableapps icon
14:35:33 <pa_8727> actually even when it runs there is no icon
14:35:41 <pa_8727> oh.. in tray. .could be
14:36:23 <pa_8727> okay in tray yes, thanks.. and I can make an autorun.bat no?
14:36:42 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8727: also, if you want the menu to not minimize when you click an app, set the following in the Portableapps Menu ini
14:36:42 <Gizmokid2005> RemainVisible=True
14:36:55 <pa_8727> great.. thank you
14:37:26 <Gizmokid2005> you are welcome pa_8727
14:37:35 <Gizmokid2005> and you could make an autorun bat, but windows still won't execute it
14:37:38 <pa_8727> please... call me Robb :)
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14:38:30 <pa_8727> where is the ini
14:39:03 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8727: under X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\Data
14:39:06 <Gizmokid2005> called
14:39:11 <Gizmokid2005> PortableAppsMenu.ini
14:39:14 <pa_8727> ty
14:39:17 <Gizmokid2005> yw
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14:43:57 <pabot> JohnTHaller is the founder and lead developer of PortableApps.com and "is kind of a big deal"
14:44:29 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
14:44:32 <Gizmokid2005> anything else pa_8727
14:45:03 <pa_8727> sorry.. was just going through things to see..
14:45:17 <pa_8727> nothing atm
14:45:27 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8727: no, it's fine. If you want to hang around, feel free, I'm just checking to make sure we've answered your questions already
14:45:42 <pa_8727> yes thank you :)
14:46:01 <Gizmokid2005> ok :) you're welcome
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14:46:43 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
14:46:55 <Gizmokid2005> hello ZachThibeau
14:47:32 <JohnTHaller> how goes it in here
14:47:46 <Gizmokid2005> it goes JohnTHaller, and you?
14:48:23 <JohnTHaller> Eh, getting ready for the weekend. Catching up on forums posts. Tired of Bart.S harping on old issues and making snide comments.
14:48:57 <Oni-Neoxes> really?
14:49:09 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: so, SSDD?
14:49:25 <JohnTHaller> basically
14:50:50 <Gizmokid2005> go figure
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14:51:54 <pa_8727> question.. can portableapps take temporary control of file associations? I mean for example if winamp is the default player for mp3's on a pc and I come along and pop in my usb stick and select music.. can coolplayer take control while portableapps is running and go back to winamp when it's not?
14:52:12 <sar3th> pa_8727: not yet
14:52:13 <Oni-Neoxes> that would be cool O:
14:52:50 <JohnTHaller> pa_8727: it will in an upcoming release
14:52:57 <pa_8727> k ty
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14:57:46 <pa_8727> thanks for all the help. Time to hit the road
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15:08:10 <ZachThibeau> lol speaking of file associations I finally learned how to do it in Xenon's Beta release XD
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15:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I have a question regarding reg entries and launchers.
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15:14:51 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: what's up
15:15:52 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I need to handle some reg entries, that of course differ from normal users and guest/limited users, where the normal users have to handle HKLM\SOFTWARE keys and the guests have to handle HKU keys
15:15:59 <Gizmokid2005> what launcher do we have that I can use to base my code from?
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15:19:11 <JohnTHaller> I've done that in a couple. Do you need to save the HKLM entries?
15:19:18 <JohnTHaller> I think Thunderbird Portable has it in it
15:21:05 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: well, that's debatable. The way I see it, the entries that are created are just mainly file assoc entries...and if they already exist, just leave them the way they are as KVIrc wont' need to create them again. But if they don't exist, the launcher needs to kill them on exit.
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15:23:25 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, stuff like that we just backup and restore the existing one. Don't need to be saved back to the drive.
15:24:12 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: that's what I figured...and i noticed that NP++ had some work with it. But if TBP has the better example that's what I'll use
15:26:12 <JohnTHaller> Use em both. Pick and choose what you need.
15:26:31 <Gizmokid2005> k
15:26:33 <Gizmokid2005> thanks JohnTHaller
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15:28:47 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
15:28:55 * Oni-Neoxes pokes gluxon
15:28:56 <Oni-Neoxes> rawr
15:29:07 <gluxon> ...
15:29:13 <gluxon> Yay, pabot's back! :D
15:29:17 <Oni-Neoxes> yesh he is :D
15:36:45 <Oni-Neoxes> how do I make a pastebin?
15:37:05 <Gizmokid2005> Oni-Neoxes: your own, like on your own website?
15:37:09 <Oni-Neoxes> no
15:37:12 <Gizmokid2005> oh
15:37:12 <Oni-Neoxes> just a random paste
15:37:20 <Gizmokid2005> just go to pastebin.com
15:37:21 <sar3th> go to pastebin.com
15:37:24 <Gizmokid2005> and paste it in there
15:37:27 <Gizmokid2005> hit submit at the bottom
15:37:29 <Gizmokid2005> voila
15:37:30 <Oni-Neoxes> kk
15:37:36 <Oni-Neoxes> this is great XD
15:37:49 <ZachThibeau> or type in onineoxes.pastebin.com :P
15:37:58 <ZachThibeau> and then follow the above instructions :P
15:38:14 <ZachThibeau> thats for a private pastebin account :P
15:38:21 <ZachThibeau> kind of private I should say
15:38:33 <Gizmokid2005> not too private, if they know the name you used...anybody can get to it :P
15:38:55 <ZachThibeau> yeah hence the reason I said Kind of :P
15:39:03 <gluxon> ... haven't they heard of a ps?
15:39:25 <ZachThibeau> ps?
15:39:50 <ZachThibeau> brb guys
15:39:52 <ZachThibeau> away
15:39:54 <ZachThibeau> oops
15:40:16 <Oni-Neoxes> ZachThibeau: gluxon: Gizmokid2005: http://pastebin.com/m2a388011
15:40:44 <gluxon> Hey, wasn't that last night?
15:41:21 <Oni-Neoxes> no
15:41:24 <Oni-Neoxes> it just happened
15:41:59 <gluxon> oh :D
15:42:07 * Gizmokid2005 will read after phone call
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15:44:11 <pabot> ...
15:44:35 <gluxon> ...
15:44:42 <gluxon> I got rejected by SourceForge.net :D
15:44:51 <Oni-Neoxes> how?
15:44:54 <gluxon> Um..
15:45:09 <gluxon> I'll paste their message in pastebin... wait...
15:45:22 <Oni-Neoxes> mummy bites D:
15:45:54 <gluxon> http://gluxon.pastebin.com/d7fbb8981
15:46:14 <Gizmokid2005> nice Oni-Neoxes, I want to play!
15:46:23 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
15:46:28 <Oni-Neoxes> join #jsswolfbot
15:46:33 <Oni-Neoxes> #jswolfbot
15:46:48 <gluxon> actually... ##jswolfbot
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16:11:55 <Oni-Neoxes> http://www.everythingusb.com/images/list/resident_evil_5_saw_flash_drive_news.jpg
16:13:14 <onestoploser> lol
16:13:17 <onestoploser> Sweet!
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16:27:18 <Oni-Neoxes> Im out
16:27:21 <Oni-Neoxes> see you guys later
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16:28:49 <pabot> sar3th is happy that i'm back :)
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16:38:17 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
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16:54:55 <expatg2> May I ask a question? I'm probably going to be reamed as a "newbie" for this. :p
16:55:50 <sar3th> expatg2: of course, just go ahead and ask :)
16:56:06 <expatg2> Okay.
16:56:38 <expatg2> I set up my 4GB USB drive in the PC format.
16:57:30 <expatg2> Would I be able to take my drive over to say, a Mac, plug it in, and have it function normally?
16:57:52 <JohnTHaller> yes
16:58:09 <expatg2> Great!
16:58:12 <JohnTHaller> As long as you formatted it as FAT32 and not Microsoft's proprietary exFAT format which doesn't work anywhere
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16:58:53 <expatg2> As far as I know, I did not use exFAT.
16:59:57 <expatg2> And when I format memory cards, I usually use the FAT32 setting.
17:02:24 <expatg2> Many thanks for the help.
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17:17:49 <gluxon> KevinPorter: You there?
17:20:05 <Mir> i'm late im late for a very importiant date (~_0) not time to say godby hello im late im laye im late
17:20:37 <onestoploser> Mir: Hello Rabbit
17:20:54 <Mir> HELLO WORLD
17:21:07 <onestoploser> HELLO NURSE
17:21:14 <Mir> %20HELLO%20WORLD
17:21:29 <Mir> no no
17:21:42 <Mir> its HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO%20NURSE
17:22:06 <onestoploser> XD
17:22:29 <Mir> but then agian i know that if you say that to a nurse around here they will be the first face you see when you wake up in the Intensive Care Unit
17:22:31 <Mir> :S
17:23:37 <onestoploser> hahahahaha
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17:24:27 <Mir> PS my moms a nurse and the first face i saw when i woke up in the ER was her
17:24:33 <Mir> O_O
17:24:43 <Mir> i still dont know what happened
17:24:52 <Mir> i dont know if i want to know
17:26:25 <onestoploser> D:
17:26:45 <Mir> oh i just bought 4X 4gb SD cards for 10 bucks a pop no shipping :)
17:27:18 <onestoploser> Sweet :D
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17:31:33 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually), and is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626
17:34:59 <powerjuce> pidigin fails
17:35:12 <powerjuce> hey giz i have a question about pidigin
17:35:19 <Gizmokid2005> ask away
17:35:20 <powerjuce> how do u make multiple irc connections?
17:35:27 <Gizmokid2005> just add another account...
17:35:48 <powerjuce> i do that
17:35:52 <powerjuce> but it nvr connects
17:36:13 <Gizmokid2005> does it give an error?
17:36:22 <Gizmokid2005> and are you sure you've enabled it?
17:36:39 <powerjuce> no error
17:36:44 <powerjuce> just does not connect
17:36:47 <powerjuce> it is enabled
17:36:58 <Gizmokid2005> if it doesn't connect, and no error, then it's not even attempting to connect...ie it has to be disabled
17:37:11 <powerjuce> no it attempts to connect
17:37:14 <Gizmokid2005> what network?
17:37:19 <powerjuce> freenode
17:37:31 <Gizmokid2005> it should be fine then...
17:37:33 <Gizmokid2005> and connect
17:37:52 <powerjuce> tat is wat i thought
17:37:59 <powerjuce> but it keeps getting rejected
17:38:19 <Gizmokid2005> right...an error...what is it?
17:38:21 <Gizmokid2005> it has to be throwing one
17:38:25 <Gizmokid2005> what did you use for the host?
17:38:35 <Gizmokid2005> irc.freenode.org?
17:38:36 <powerjuce> all i get is that the server rejecteed the connection
17:38:54 <powerjuce> irc.freenode.net
17:39:10 <Gizmokid2005> Hmm...
17:39:35 <Gizmokid2005> are you sure you haven't used/changed any other settings for the connection?
17:39:54 <Gizmokid2005> like enabling ssl
17:40:01 <Gizmokid2005> or changing the port
17:41:11 <Gizmokid2005> yes/no/maybe?
17:41:12 <Gizmokid2005> lol
17:46:38 <powerjuce> sry
17:46:40 <powerjuce> hold up
17:46:43 <Gizmokid2005> lol k
17:46:46 <powerjuce> no changed port
17:46:51 <powerjuce> no ssl
17:47:01 <Gizmokid2005> do you already have an account that's connected?
17:47:50 <Gizmokid2005> and are you trying to use a nick that's already online?
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17:55:35 <pabot> SteveLamerton is the developer of Toucan and a moderator on PortableApps.com as well as one of its longest serving members, so show some respect ;)
17:55:40 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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18:05:14 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton
18:05:58 <SteveLamerton> Hi Gizmokid2005, how are you today?
18:06:34 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: I'm alright...surviving. Sitting at the shop right now getting my exhaust replaced on my truck...but they ordered the wrong pipe so I'll be here a while until they get the right one and get it on...
18:06:37 <Gizmokid2005> how about you?
18:08:03 <SteveLamerton> How annoying, I am ok I think, just working through Toucan Pre-Release bugs :(
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18:10:03 <Gizmokid2005> lol
18:10:05 <Gizmokid2005> it is
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18:10:49 <Gizmokid2005> I would be working on kvirc, but I don't have my vms on my mac, just on my desktop, and i'm trying to conserve battery as the plug i"m next to is non-standard without a ground, and I need a ground to plug in my laptop...so no remoting into my home pc
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18:12:54 <SteveLamerton> Fair enough, how is it going?
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18:13:44 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
18:14:19 <Gizmokid2005> eh...I'm dropping KVIrc3...
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18:14:41 <Gizmokid2005> there's no sense in working on it for it to not be released...so I'm working solely on KVIrc4.
18:14:53 <Gizmokid2005> it looks like the reg entries are close, but not the same...
18:14:57 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello all
18:14:59 <Oni-Neoxes> o:
18:14:59 <Gizmokid2005> so I'm going to work on those later.
18:15:01 <Oni-Neoxes> cool
18:15:02 <Gizmokid2005> hello again Oni-Neoxes
18:15:04 <SteveLamerton> Gizmokid2005: Fair enough, and that is typical
18:15:09 <SteveLamerton> Oni-Neoxes: Hello :)
18:15:32 <Oni-Neoxes> argh. I'm stuck on the Attack of the FishMen on call of Cthulhu D:
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18:20:07 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
18:42:35 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: I think you have a ghost.
18:42:52 <Gizmokid2005> nope
18:43:39 <gluxon> ...
18:43:49 <gluxon> there's a Gizmokid2005 (you) and a Gizmokid2005|AFK
18:44:06 <Gizmokid2005> yes...home PC
18:44:08 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not at home
18:44:12 <Gizmokid2005> I"m at the shop with my truck.
18:44:31 <SteveLamerton> RELEASE: Toucan 2.1.0 Pre-Release 3 http://portableapps.com/node/18705
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18:52:11 <[PortableApps> I have some thing to ask about IM
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18:52:46 <Oni-Neoxes> guys?
18:52:56 <Oni-Neoxes> gluxon: gizmokid2005: we got a question
18:53:05 <gluxon> Sure...
18:53:11 <Gizmokid2005> ask away
18:53:11 <gluxon> Oh..
18:53:22 * Oni-Neoxes points to [Fred]
18:53:24 <gluxon> Ask your question :D
18:54:19 <Oni-Neoxes> [Fred]: Whats your question about IM?
18:55:54 <trixie26> After seeing this about on the Gadget show I downloaded the portableapps to my hard drive but how do you use it to download to a usb drive please help me I am going crazy trying to work it out.
18:56:12 <gluxon> Just run the installer.
18:56:40 <[Fred]> I am soon done
18:56:51 <trixie26> where do I find that I double clicked on the download and how do you install it into the usb drive
18:57:08 <gluxon> Double click on the installer you downloaded.
18:57:34 <trixie26> do I put the usb drive in at the same time
18:58:01 <gluxon> ...
18:58:07 <gluxon> Read what i said.
18:58:28 <gluxon> OKay.. I'll go through this step by step for you.
18:58:33 <gluxon> Go to PortableApps.com
18:58:38 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/
18:59:07 <gluxon> Hit the "Download Now" button.
18:59:19 <gluxon> If you can't find it, go here: http://portableapps.com/download
18:59:30 <gluxon> Select what version you wish to download.
18:59:53 <gluxon> Full, Lite, or just the Menu only with no programs.
19:00:23 <gluxon> Done?
19:00:52 <gluxon> Okay, you'll end up in SourceForge.net
19:01:11 <gluxon> Wait a while and the a pop-up will open. Click on Save.
19:01:21 <gluxon> Browse to your Desktop and save the file.
19:01:42 <gluxon> Once it's done downloading, Double click on the file you downloaded.
19:02:16 <gluxon> Follow the Wizard/Installer, and when you get the the 2nd page, type in your Flash Drive's Letter "Example: D:
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19:02:32 <gluxon> Make sure you save to the desktop though.
19:02:40 <gluxon> Not some other folder.
19:06:27 <gluxon> trixie26: Got it? :D
19:06:36 <[Fred]> I was thinking if people can add Video effects or Change background when they are using there webcams. Is there a software so I can add recorded videos. I was thinking. If I am gonna get something to it. But I dont would show them that I did not leave. And broadcast videos through IM Messenger to my friends. Like Amsn. But using a software for broadcasting vi
19:06:38 <trixie26> thank you very much for explaining what to do I am 70 but I am not normally so thick
19:07:32 <gluxon> trixie26: And thank you for using our software :D
19:08:08 <gluxon> Never download the installer to your flash drive though.
19:09:06 <trixie26> so how do you use it to download anything
19:09:13 <gluxon> ?
19:10:33 <gluxon> trixie26: the apps here hosted on the site are completely Portable. We cannot guaranty that anything you download from any other site will be portable.
19:10:44 <gluxon> But you can have almost anything on your drive.
19:10:50 <gluxon> I have to go for a while.
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19:11:10 <[Fred]> Waite I misspelled some where
19:12:23 <[Fred]> I was thinking if people can add Video effects or Change background when they are using there webcams. Is there a software so I can add recorded videos. I was thinking. If I am gonna get something to eat. But I dont would show them that I did not leave. And broadcast videos through IM Messenger to my friends and family. with software like Amsn. But using a so
19:12:33 <[Fred]> But using a software for broadcasting videos
19:15:39 <[Fred]> I did find a software which can do that. It's called Broadcaster Studio Pro and they say that is a freeware. If you dont read the fine print
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19:18:36 <onestoploser> brb
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19:19:13 <[Fred]> Thanks for your time. I am gonna go now.
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19:19:30 <pabot> onestoploser is teh curry master and can't get enough PortableApps.com
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19:21:25 <gluxon> You now what's really sad?
19:21:41 <gluxon> I can't use Eclipse Portable to Edit Eclipse Portable source :D
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19:46:07 <pa_0463> when I click on a portable app I get the install then I install to usb
19:46:18 <pa_0463> click on it again and I get the install again?
19:46:22 <gluxon> ?
19:46:50 <gluxon> Well, if it's already install on your flash drive, the installer will update the PortableApp, even though it still says "Install"
19:47:03 <gluxon> Hope that helps because I have to go.
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19:48:45 <pa_0463> am i suppose to download an installer with the suite? I keep getting install
19:48:54 <pa_0463> everytime I click on it
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19:50:51 <popo> I downloaded the suite but I can't get a program to install
19:51:19 <popo> I click on it it says installed then I click on it again and the install comes up again
19:51:25 <popo> what am I missing?
19:52:54 <popo> help
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20:01:30 <pabot> TimClark thinks "We are one but we are many | And from all the lands on earth we come | We share a dream and sing with one voice | I am | You are | We are PAppsian " :)
20:01:40 <TimClark> popo: are you still here
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20:01:49 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
20:02:05 <TimClark> do not click on the installer again, go to the place you installed to and run the program you find there
20:02:37 <TimClark> the installer just installs the program, it is not the program itself
20:10:14 <TimClark> popo: as you are not replying I hope that answered your question, time for me to go back to work, good luck
20:10:15 <popo> yea I'm here sorry someone at the door
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20:12:21 <popo> hello
20:12:40 <popo> I understand to go back to where I installed it
20:12:58 <popo> but I thought you suppose to install it back on the USB
20:13:12 <popo> so you create a folder on the USB
20:13:42 <popo> and if you do that then what the use in having the menu?
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20:15:10 <pa_7904> hello anyone can help me?
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20:15:58 <pa_7904> help!
20:15:58 <JacobMastel-Away> Hi all
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20:16:15 <JacobMastel> How can I help you pa_7904
20:16:16 <pa_7904> hey jacob you got a minute
20:16:22 <JacobMastel> shure
20:16:23 <pa_7904> thanks
20:16:29 <pa_7904> I download the suite
20:16:33 <JacobMastel> K
20:16:37 <pa_7904> when I click on a program I get the installer
20:16:54 <pa_7904> when I click on it again I get the installer again/
20:17:10 <pa_7904> do you make another folder on the usb for the install
20:17:12 <JacobMastel> Correct you must install the downloaded file.
20:17:34 <JacobMastel> Are you trying to get it on a flashdrive?
20:17:42 <pa_7904> yes
20:17:50 <pa_7904> I get install each time I click on it
20:18:04 <JacobMastel> Wait each time you click on the drive? Or the downloaded file?
20:18:22 <pa_7904> oh wait a minute I should of downloaded to hard drive
20:18:31 <pa_7904> installed to flashdrive/
20:18:44 <JacobMastel> You must install to a flash drive then you will be able to run it.
20:19:00 <pa_7904> I downloaded the suite to a flash drive
20:19:18 <JacobMastel> Right but that's not the applicatoins themself. Just the installer for them.
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20:19:36 <JacobMastel> Like when you download a normal app. You get an installer. Install it to your drive.
20:19:41 <JacobMastel> Then run the startportableapps.exe
20:20:09 <pa_7904> oh ok so its run off of the hard drive
20:20:30 <pa_7904> I'm lost
20:20:34 <JacobMastel> No. Run the installer. I don't care where it is.
20:20:44 <JacobMastel> Then when it asks to install install it to your flash drive.
20:20:52 <pa_7904> ok
20:20:58 <pa_7904> i did thta
20:21:02 <pa_7904> that
20:21:13 <JacobMastel> Okay so what's your flash drive letter?
20:21:19 <pa_7904> e:
20:21:25 <JacobMastel> Go to E:\
20:21:34 <JacobMastel> Then click StartPortableApps.exe
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20:22:09 <pa_7904> oh ok, don't click the program itself just click startportableapps.exe
20:22:17 <JacobMastel> Yes
20:22:51 <pa_7904> I was clicking the program on the menu after install and gettig install again
20:23:13 <JacobMastel> So the menu is now open?
20:23:19 <pa_7904> yes
20:23:27 <JacobMastel> Okay now you can run an app off that menu.
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20:25:46 <pa_7904> you mind if I run thru it one more time I mean I feel like a dork and I am a+ certified duh
20:26:09 <pa_7904> download suite to usb flash drive
20:26:23 <JacobMastel> K
20:27:06 <pa_7904> after that for example md5sum and I get the installer
20:27:24 <pa_7904> now where do I install md5sum
20:27:53 <JacobMastel> ? You don't install an md5sum
20:28:03 <JacobMastel> That's just a method of verifying you have the right executable.
20:28:14 <JacobMastel> It's used mostly for security.
20:28:16 <pa_7904> That's one of the apps I downloaded
20:28:24 <JacobMastel> OH okay
20:28:34 <JacobMastel> Run the installer. It should auto detect your flash drive
20:29:37 <pa_7904> the md5sum installer detects my flash drive yes where do I install it to
20:29:48 <JacobMastel> Just click next.
20:30:06 <pa_7904> ok but it ask me for a drive and folder
20:30:13 <JacobMastel> It will auto place itself where it needs to be. It should say something like E:\PortableApps\MD5CheckerPortable
20:30:52 <pa_7904> ok cool got you so far
20:31:13 <pa_7904> then once that's done I can click on md5sum on the menu and it will run?
20:31:19 <JacobMastel> Yes
20:31:45 <pa_7904> alright we straight I REALLY appreciate it I felt dummer than a doorknob
20:31:58 <JacobMastel> No problem
20:32:30 <JacobMastel> I had to do this in portugeze once via google translator :P
20:34:44 <pa_7904> this is a nice little chat area
20:35:02 <pa_7904> and I really like the port apps
20:35:05 <JacobMastel> Feel free to lurk you could lurn by listening and helping others
20:35:11 <JacobMastel> *learn
20:35:29 <JacobMastel> btw you can change you nick by typing "/nick YOURNICKHERE"
20:35:31 <JacobMastel> Without quotes
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20:36:06 <rtrahan> test
20:36:13 <JacobMastel> Done
20:36:16 <rtrahan> cool
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20:36:52 <JacobMastel> Also you can use a better irc client then what's on the PA page if you want. Pidgin on the app page is good as well as the no install Mibbit.com
20:37:25 <rtrahan> yea I plan on going down each one and learning them
20:37:40 <rtrahan> most I already know I did linux for a while
20:38:09 <rtrahan> got out of that seen though back to windows where stuff really works
20:42:46 <rtrahan> I see a lot of people online are there diff rooms
20:47:30 <rtrahan> help one more time
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20:48:23 <rtrahan> help please
20:48:46 <ptmb> what is the problem?
20:49:04 <rtrahan> is there anyway to uninstall an app
20:49:12 <JacobMastel> Sorry rtrahan I walked away
20:49:14 <JacobMastel> Yes you can
20:49:17 <ptmb> very simple: simply delete the folder where it is at
20:49:18 <JacobMastel> simply delete it's folder
20:49:35 <JacobMastel> E:\PortableApps
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20:49:57 <rtrahan> ok I did that, but the menu item did not go away until I took the usb out then
20:50:02 <rtrahan> put it back in
20:50:07 <rtrahan> is that normal
20:50:13 <JacobMastel> Options > Refresh Menu
20:50:28 <ptmb> yes, you need to refresh the list, but there is a faster way, that is the one JacobMastel said
20:50:40 <ptmb> On the menu sidebar, go to Options > Refresh Menu
20:50:44 <rtrahan> dang...thanks I should of know that one I add programs that way
20:51:10 <ptmb> no problem, we are glad we helped
20:51:24 <JacobMastel> No prob
20:51:25 <Shanghai> Need to uninstall a couple portable apps but cannot find the way to do so. Programs are PNotes and Pidgin
20:51:27 <JacobMastel> Any other questions?
20:51:35 <rtrahan> thanks guys nope good for now
20:51:53 <ptmb> Hi Shanghai, it is very simple to unninstall an app: simply delete its folder
20:52:04 <Shanghai> Thank you.
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20:53:18 <JacobMastel> brb
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20:54:16 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
20:54:16 <ptmb> Hi ZachThibeau!
20:54:33 <ZachThibeau> howdy
20:56:40 <rtrahan> hi Zach we are among royalty
20:56:47 <JacobMastel> rtrahan: what?
20:57:15 <rtrahan> Zach is royalty just a joke since he is a developer
20:57:30 <JacobMastel> Then so am I :P
20:57:57 <rtrahan> yes him heiness or her heiness whatever
20:58:00 <ZachThibeau> lol
20:58:22 <ZachThibeau> I'm not XD I'm your average joe :P
20:59:39 <rtrahan> not joe the plumber the guy with McCain I hope
20:59:55 <JacobMastel> lmfao
20:59:56 <ZachThibeau> no no :P
21:00:05 <ZachThibeau> I'm Canadian :P
21:00:16 <JacobMastel> rtrahan: that makes him worse :P
21:00:29 <ZachThibeau> your a fine one to speak JacobMastel :P
21:00:30 * JacobMastel ducks as Zach throws something heavy at him
21:00:31 <JacobMastel> :P
21:00:41 <ZachThibeau> at least we don't have Obama as our leader ;)
21:00:52 <JacobMastel> ZachThibeau: I woulda voted for McCain.
21:01:02 <JacobMastel> Although he wasn't my first choice either.
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21:01:09 <rtrahan> now that's just low (I can't do a smiley)
21:01:18 <JacobMastel> rtrahan: :P
21:01:22 <JacobMastel> HAHA ;)
21:01:24 <JacobMastel> :D
21:01:27 <JacobMastel> X-D
21:01:40 <JacobMastel> You still in the pa interface?
21:01:58 <rtrahan> ya freakin me out man
21:02:15 * JacobMastel was just bragging that he could do smilies
21:02:20 <ZachThibeau> rtrahan: I don't blame you, he's has that affect on people ;)
21:02:42 <JacobMastel> ZachThibeau "He is has that affect"?
21:02:48 <rtrahan> and hes good at it
21:02:50 <JacobMastel> Where do I begin?
21:02:50 <JacobMastel> :P
21:03:02 <JacobMastel> *he has that effect on people" :P
21:03:22 <ZachThibeau> JacobMastel: that's generally not a good thing there bud
21:03:46 <JacobMastel> What correcting you pathetic sentence/grammar/spelling structure? :P
21:03:49 <JacobMastel> *your
21:04:11 <ZachThibeau> you are a fine one to speak young man :P
21:04:13 <JacobMastel> You can correct mine if it makes you feel better.
21:04:23 <ZachThibeau> be nice to your elders :P
21:04:26 <JacobMastel> Now come on you're only like what 2 years older than me?
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21:04:46 <ZachThibeau> 21 years of age I am :P
21:04:54 <JacobMastel> Thanks yoda.
21:05:08 <ZachThibeau> no, thats not yoda speach :P
21:05:08 <JacobMastel> Okay so like barely 5...
21:06:40 <ZachThibeau> sorry t'was eating, so sorry for the late response: "I am older than you so therefore be nice ;)"
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21:08:00 <rtrahan> where did smiley go
21:10:24 <rtrahan> :Dha you not the king no more buddy
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21:59:54 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
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23:06:28 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
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23:23:03 <JacobMastel> Hello Don_Miguel
23:23:40 <Don_Miguel> Hello JacobMastel
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23:26:00 <Bensawsome> >_>
23:26:54 <Oni-Neoxes> <_<
23:27:01 <SrgSiler|AFK> Orly?
23:27:10 <Don_Miguel> I seem to be pinging out ...
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23:28:30 <Don_Miguel> or maybe ... not quite yet ...
23:28:51 <JacobMastel> lol
23:28:54 <JacobMastel> Having issues?
23:29:17 *** JacobMastel is now known as JacobMastel-Away
23:30:20 <Don_Miguel> yep
23:30:45 <Don_Miguel> Third world issues porbably
23:31:03 <Don_Miguel> sigh
23:31:55 <KevinPorter> Evenin' everyone.
23:33:19 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello
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23:34:47 <pabot> Roamer is one of the Linux geeks that are found here from time to time.
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23:39:45 <pabot> upnPAD wants Code::Blocks, Inkscape, XChat, X-Moto, and Chris Morgan Portable. His website is http://www.upnpad.com/.
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