IRC Log from 2009-04-14

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00:44:02 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
00:44:16 <ChrisMorgan> Is there anyone in here that cares about Code::Blocks/Code::Blocks Portable?
00:45:13 <ChrisMorgan> .tell TimClark Thanks for clearing the comments at d/t (I won't post a comment there, it'd mess it up!) :-)
00:45:14 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I'll pass that on when I next see TimClark.
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00:58:49 <ChrisMorgan> Hello Don_Miguel
00:59:36 <Don_Miguel> Hey ChrisMorgan
00:59:39 <Don_Miguel> ty
01:01:09 <ChrisMorgan> Were you having trouble connecting or what?
01:01:30 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... MinGW Portable is not UPX-compressed.
01:01:49 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe that's part of the reason why it's almost double the size of my older MinGW thingy
01:02:06 <ChrisMorgan> And it includes ADA and Java support
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01:04:41 <rbrt13> hello
01:04:50 <ChrisMorgan> Hey rbrt13
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01:09:22 <JacobMastel> Hello all
01:09:29 <SergentSiler> ello JacobMastel
01:09:36 <JacobMastel> What's up SergentSiler
01:09:38 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JacobMastel
01:09:42 <JacobMastel> Hi ChrisMorgan
01:09:42 <rbrt13> hello
01:09:47 <JacobMastel> hi rbrt13
01:10:28 * JacobMastel is setting up his virtual Ubuntu
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01:10:43 * ChrisMorgan has compressed MinGW Portable!
01:10:53 <JacobMastel> ChrisMorgan: how much space did that save?
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01:11:31 <ChrisMorgan> 47753 KB
01:11:41 <JacobMastel> Nice!
01:11:42 <ChrisMorgan> 24.2%
01:11:47 <ChrisMorgan> Worthwhile.
01:11:54 <ChrisMorgan> Now I'll try rebuilding the installer...
01:11:54 <JacobMastel> Yeah definately
01:12:09 <rbrt13> yay 3 GB downloads
01:12:29 <rbrt13> ive had one before
01:12:36 <JacobMastel> rbrt13: no that's never fun :P
01:12:47 <ChrisMorgan> The installer will be bigger.
01:13:00 <JacobMastel> How big do you think it will be?
01:13:09 <rbrt13> it was 3 GB for the compressed installer
01:13:49 <ChrisMorgan> rbrt13: what is it you're downloading?
01:14:24 <rbrt13> where
01:14:32 <rbrt13> AutoDesk Inventor
01:14:43 <rbrt13> iv already downloaded
01:15:14 <rbrt13> who likes long car rides
01:15:25 <JacobMastel> rbrt13: depends
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01:15:32 <JacobMastel> On where I'm going and what the country looks like ;P
01:15:38 <JacobMastel> Also who's in the car with me.
01:15:38 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
01:15:52 <rbrt13> for me, depends of if i have my laptop and a power inverter
01:16:03 <JacobMastel> lol
01:16:27 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible Portable 0.4.3 Pre-Release 1 will be built *entirely* with BPBible's make_release.py! :-)
01:16:33 <rbrt13> a 14 hour ride from Michigan to Atlanta, Georgia, a group of friends, at least one with a power inverter
01:16:36 <ZachThibeau> :P
01:16:46 <ChrisMorgan> python make_release.py --portable --pre-release=1 0.4.3
01:16:47 <rbrt13> and a laptop
01:17:02 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: got to love simplicity :)
01:17:05 <rbrt13> how do i compile a python script
01:17:12 <ChrisMorgan> ... And it'll do version numbers in appinfo and the installer config, compile the launcher, compile the installer :-)
01:17:18 <ZachThibeau> by invoking python rbrt13
01:17:21 <JacobMastel> There's an app for it.
01:17:23 <ChrisMorgan> rbrt13: look at BPBible's SVN repository :D
01:17:28 <JacobMastel> py2exe I think.
01:17:31 <ChrisMorgan> yup
01:17:38 <ChrisMorgan> make_py2exe.py and make_release.py are what BPBible uses.
01:17:41 <rbrt13> does it come with python?
01:17:44 <ChrisMorgan> y
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01:17:45 <pabot> daBomb69 is the awesome person responsible for: Gnumeric Portable http://portableapps.com/node/18311
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01:18:03 <ChrisMorgan> Look at http://code.google.com/p/bpbible/source/browse/trunk/make_py2exe.py
01:18:07 <ChrisMorgan> Hey rmccue|mibbit
01:18:12 <rmccue|mibbit> Speaking of python.
01:18:17 <rmccue|mibbit> pabot will be back.
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01:18:22 <rbrt13> YAY
01:18:24 <SrgSiler|AFK> yay
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01:18:41 <rbrt13> i cannot get my python r-bot to work
01:18:46 <ChrisMorgan> yay? When pabot /goes/!?
01:18:50 * rbrt13 wonders
01:19:12 <JacobMastel> Isn't that what GizmoBot is for?
01:19:23 <rmccue|mibbit> It's only temporary.
01:19:26 <ChrisMorgan> :-( MinGW Portable installer post-upx-compression is 36.8MB: 41% larger :-(
01:19:30 <rmccue|mibbit> Trying to install pabot as a service.
01:20:18 * ZachThibeau is working on a package with OliverK :D VirtualBoxOSE Portable :D
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01:21:18 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, equbee! How can we help you today?
01:21:19 <JacobMastel> Hello equbee
01:21:49 <rbrt13> hello equbee
01:21:49 <rbrt13> /me thinks that pronouns is bad ( and maybe grammer too )
01:21:56 <JacobMastel> *grammar
01:22:15 <rbrt13> maybe
01:22:23 <equbee> Hi has PA been tested with wine?
01:22:29 <JacobMastel> Yes it has
01:22:33 <JacobMastel> It works well.
01:22:48 <equbee> it works fine with no problems at all
01:22:59 <equbee> not all apps with thinstall work
01:23:06 <JacobMastel> Thinstall?
01:23:10 <JacobMastel> We don't support thinstall apps
01:23:12 <JacobMastel> At all.
01:23:17 <equbee> I know
01:23:18 <JacobMastel> They're illegal.
01:23:23 <equbee> just comparing
01:23:50 <equbee> i mean with regards to runing them in wine
01:24:10 <JacobMastel> Please look at the topic. "Please do not discuse illegal applcations..."
01:24:22 <ChrisMorgan> OK. Almost all of our apps work perfectly in WINE. A few have minor issues.
01:24:23 <ZachThibeau> JacobMastel: he wasn't in a sense
01:24:35 <equbee> im not
01:26:19 <ZachThibeau> yeah we have a compatibility chart about our apps and what operating system they have been tested on. give me a moment and I'll give you the url
01:26:21 <equbee> how about AIR can it be made portable?
01:26:28 <equbee> kool ty
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01:27:11 <ZachThibeau> equbee: no adobe air isn't open-source and would be illegal for us to make portable due to the nature of adobe's licenses
01:27:21 <rbrt13> Hello Oni-Neoxes
01:27:21 <rbrt13> so which is more prefered: PHP Python C C++ C# BASIC
01:27:36 <ZachThibeau> rbrt13: support is occuring so not now please
01:27:41 <rbrt13> sorry
01:27:45 <ZachThibeau> np
01:27:50 <equbee> if you guys dont mind ill give you an idea on what im working on, id like to know if PA would be a possible choice to solove my problems
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01:28:19 <rmccue|mibbit> WOO!
01:28:22 <rmccue|mibbit> pabot!
01:28:22 <pabot> rmccue|mibbit!
01:28:23 <SrgSiler|AFK> pabot!
01:28:23 <pabot> SrgSiler|AFK!
01:28:25 <SrgSiler|AFK> lol
01:28:28 <rmccue|mibbit> Phew.
01:28:36 <equbee> Ic lets put it in another way if I get permission top add the air distro from adobe then would it be possible
01:28:40 <ZachThibeau> rmccue|mibbit: SrgSiler|AFK not now
01:28:47 <SrgSiler|AFK> oh ya srry
01:28:52 <rmccue|mibbit> OK, pabot is now running as a service, so if it crashes, it should restart itself. That is all.
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01:29:02 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello
01:29:47 <ZachThibeau> equbee: it would have to be something to get permission, it would probably take a lot of modifications to make one if we did, modifications that wouldn't be worth the time Adobe would want to put in
01:30:44 <equbee> im working on a browser that is being developed in flex and uses AIR im also using autoit for certain python based modules
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01:32:20 <equbee> was wondering if a PA application can sort the trouble fo
01:32:45 <equbee> \of having both python based kernel and AIR based app running at same time
01:32:54 <equbee> does it make sence to anyone here?
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01:33:35 <equbee> Air is being used as a GUI and pyhton for implementing download manager torrentrs etc...
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01:36:50 <ZachThibeau> I personally would stay away from adobe products when it comes to app development, it's not really portable for 1 since you would need air to be installed on each computer
01:37:35 <rmccue> Yeah, I agree. Air is not portable, nor are Air-based apps.
01:38:09 <rmccue> Write it all in Python, with PyGTK or WxPython, then use py2exe to compile it.
01:38:38 <equbee> ok just confirmed from an adobe employee it is alowed to be distrobuted
01:38:46 <equbee> also provided this link http://www.adobe.com/products/air/runtime_distribution1.html
01:38:55 <rmccue> Just because it's allowed to be, doesn't mean you should.
01:39:06 <ZachThibeau> but does it allow to be modified is the question you need to ask equbee
01:39:08 <equbee> well exactly thats the current aproach
01:39:15 <rmccue> The user would have to install that on each computer they use it on.
01:39:51 <equbee> I know, also it opens the problem of loosing multiplatform support
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01:41:16 <equbee> well ive run into too many dead ends with the security measures taken in Air i have to
01:41:39 <ZachThibeau> equbee: you are kind of failing to see the point, not everybody understands that redistributing it and modifying it are totally different things, the runtime you would need to install to a specific place in order for it to work, and it would need system specific resources that not all computers will have
01:42:06 <equbee> im not exactly fond of the idea of having to compile different versions of my python code for all the platforms i want to support plus providing installer for all of them
01:42:37 <equbee> exactly something that thinstall can do thats why i was asking
01:42:52 <JacobMastel> Yeah but can you afford Thinstall?
01:42:53 <equbee> I already checked
01:42:54 <JacobMastel> I doubt it.
01:43:30 <ZachThibeau> equbee: think about this, thinstall'd apps are not allowed to be redistributed, it's in the thinstall license
01:43:36 <equbee> I can but i plan to release this as an open source project dont want to bog my self down with closed source
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01:44:05 <ZachThibeau> well here is another thing Thinstall plus GPL = license violation
01:44:36 <rmccue> equbee: You don't have to compile different versions of Python for all the platforms. If you use a cross-platform toolkit, like PyGTK or WxPython, you only need to actually compile it for Windows, as it doesn't include Python.
01:44:47 <equbee> well as far as jonathan explained its not really violating GPL
01:45:07 <ZachThibeau> equbee: with thinstall yes it does
01:45:13 <rmccue> It is violating the GPL.
01:45:21 <equbee> whats ur reasoning?
01:45:30 <rmccue> If you use Thinstall, you are modifying the compiled code.
01:45:33 <equbee> because of the compression???
01:45:51 <JacobMastel> equbee: are you aware that the cheepest version of Thinstall is 6 grand?
01:46:09 <rmccue> The fact you can't redistribute Thinstall removes a user's rights, and thus, violates the GPL.
01:46:09 <JacobMastel> If you distribute an illegal copy of thinstall that would definately violate the GPL
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01:46:57 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
01:47:15 <ZachThibeau> there is a fee you have to pay to distribute each app. And for things like shareware, freeware and payware you need publisher's permission otherwise it's illegal. Plus Thinstall can't be used for most open source software (it is GPL incompatible), so anything licensed under the GPL and packaged with Thinstall is also illegal.
01:47:44 <equbee> thats why i dont want to use it ...
01:48:01 <JacobMastel> So why do you keep blabering about it?
01:48:08 <equbee> and im the developer so im distrobuting my own app
01:48:10 <ChrisMorgan> BTW guys why do you keep on going on about thinstall when it's called ThinApp? ;-)
01:48:23 <equbee> now it is after vmware bought it
01:48:35 <ChrisMorgan> equbee: the ThinApp distribution fee is to VMware. Not the app publisher.
01:48:39 <ZachThibeau> JacobMastel: you are kind of doing more harm than good, though I'm not doing a good job either
01:48:43 <equbee> its an old habit srry
01:48:57 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm off, I got be ready for work tomorrow
01:48:58 <ZachThibeau> night all
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01:49:04 <equbee> ty anyway
01:53:34 <ChrisMorgan> equbee: anything else I can help with?
01:53:59 <rmccue> * we
01:54:21 <ChrisMorgan> rmccue: OK, you win :P
01:54:41 <ChrisMorgan> JacobMastel: full (as far as I've gone) report on MinGW Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18601#comment-117019
01:55:35 <ChrisMorgan> 'twas sad that I disconnected from Mibbit temporarily... it was because I was loading a 1500x20 Ext JS grid... ;-)
01:55:57 <ChrisMorgan> No, actually it was because I was resizing a column. The actual loading process went fine. If slow :P
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01:59:54 <equbee> ok was going over the thinapp licence terms and i agree with you guys about that i can't redistribute Thinstall
02:00:49 <equbee> is there any white paper available about how PA works?
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02:01:54 <ChrisMorgan> equbee: there is a guide for it
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02:02:16 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/14868
02:02:56 <equbee> anything else available besides the draft?
02:03:21 <ChrisMorgan> Lots of apps to base your work on!
02:03:49 <equbee> yes kool im checking the link now
02:05:13 <ChrisMorgan> If you have the temperament of a programmer or some experience in programming, you'll should be fine from there on :-)
02:05:37 <equbee> yes ty alot
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02:13:27 <equbee> with regards to portable app being permitted to modify registry entries and files on the local drive...
02:13:34 <ChrisMorgan> Yes?
02:13:37 <equbee> it would require admin privilege
02:13:40 <equbee> right?
02:13:52 <ChrisMorgan> Not normally.
02:14:16 <ChrisMorgan> registry entries: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE requires admin, but not HKEY_CURRENT_USER or HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT
02:14:43 <equbee> ok
02:14:49 <ChrisMorgan> files on the hard drive: if in the user profile, permissions will be fine, but if it's in e.g. %WINDIR%, it will be restricted
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02:34:54 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
02:35:18 <rmccue> HA!
02:35:49 <ChrisMorgan> rmccue: HA?
02:36:03 <powerjuce> rmccue: ?
02:36:12 <SergentSiler> rmccue, ??
02:39:13 <ChrisMorgan> g2g, cul8r
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02:39:54 <rmccue> bi gais! c u l8r, kthxbai
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02:41:43 <equbee> ok i decided to give it a try ill use PA for my browser distro will keep you guys updated with how things go ^_^
02:42:23 <equbee> bb
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03:03:12 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
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03:03:36 <Bensawsome> how old am i powerjuce :P
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03:03:55 <powerjuce> 16-17?
03:04:08 <SrgSiler|Sleep> fail
03:04:21 <powerjuce> great one sex
03:04:26 <powerjuce> sec*
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03:04:40 <SrgSiler|Sleep> XP
03:04:49 <SrgSiler|Sleep> [insert inuendo here]
03:05:33 <Bensawsome> lol intertubez
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03:05:37 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
03:05:49 <SrgSiler|Sleep> powerjuce, check the logz
03:05:51 <SrgSiler|Sleep> palogbot, uri
03:05:51 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-04-14#T03-05-51
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06:24:35 <csharp> hi
06:24:45 <csharp> I gotta ask
06:24:57 <csharp> why the hell is Sharp Develop portable not hosted here?
06:25:16 <Havvy> Not all apps are.
06:26:23 <csharp> that is an amazing application, you guys could port so much traffic here if you hosted it
06:26:23 <csharp> I had to google if their was an actual
06:26:23 <csharp> version
06:26:23 <csharp> I see, is this due to the costs of bandwith or storage space?
06:27:01 <MaienM|Sleep> csharp: it uses .NET and thus it cannot really be made portable
06:28:13 <csharp> Havvy: I don't know if you type slow, or if your ignoring me, but think about it, if this website were to integrate Cost Per Impression ad's, and host popular portable app software's you guys could be pullin in extra funding to upgrade servers, possibly fund new open source projects, and more.
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06:29:02 <Havvy> Ignoring, I am. And I don't work here. Also, you quit.
06:29:20 <MaienM|Sleep> palogbot didn't however, keep that in mind.
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06:30:19 <pabot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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06:34:35 <pabot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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06:39:47 <pabot> dragonmage is a skinner, who mostly just ports other's skins to different apps. Beta tester, Feature Suggester, and pretty much an idea man.
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06:57:12 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
06:57:23 <MaienM|Sleep> hello ChrisMorgan
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06:57:39 <ChrisMorgan> hello MaienM
06:58:05 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: it's Tuesday! Should I remind you about a Dutch translation for BPBible? :-)
06:58:09 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for offering :-)
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06:58:26 <MaienM> ah, yes, I was just going to ask what it was you had to remind me about again :P
06:58:56 <ChrisMorgan> Oh come on, think I'd forget?
06:59:22 <MaienM> nope, but I did ;)
06:59:40 <MaienM> thats why I was going to ask, I remembered there was something, just not what :P
06:59:53 <ChrisMorgan> It's interesting though, having enabled in the PAI config German, Hungarian and Chinese (Simplified and Traditional), in the MUI_LANGDLL_DISPLAY call only "D(e)ut(s)ch" (doich :P) and English show up...
07:00:05 <ChrisMorgan> Though if you run it through PAP with Hungarian selected it starts in Hungarian.
07:00:13 <ChrisMorgan> (This is for BPBible of course)
07:00:28 <MaienM> "D(e)ut(s)ch"? thats sounds like "Deutsch" or "Dutch" are the same
07:00:33 <ChrisMorgan> :P
07:00:33 <MaienM> which they are not :P
07:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> I know :P
07:01:09 <MaienM> anyway, what was the link for the translate page again?
07:01:59 <ChrisMorgan> http://bpbible.com/translators
07:03:27 <ChrisMorgan> *ARGH*! I can't join ##php (*@gateway/* no doubt) so I can't see if I can find a way to do a substr-like call for an array (subarray?) because Microsoft Access through ODBC doesn't support the LIMIT clause:-(
07:04:30 <MaienM> try to use mibbit maybe?
07:05:05 <MaienM> I used it once to evade I ban I had accidentally put on myself xD
07:05:06 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: huh? I *am* using Mibbit: that's the problem.
07:05:15 <MaienM> oh....
07:05:23 <ChrisMorgan> I get "474: | [0] ChrisMorgan, [1] ##php, [2] You're banned from that channel"
07:05:45 <ChrisMorgan> There's probably a ban on *@gateway/* for security :-(
07:05:47 <MaienM> hmm.... well then what exactly do you want to know? :P
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07:05:57 <ChrisMorgan> I said that :P
07:06:06 <MaienM> ah, one sec then
07:06:28 <ChrisMorgan> In python you'd just do results[offset:limit]...
07:06:35 <ChrisMorgan> In PHP though... I dunno.
07:06:54 <MaienM> ChrisMorgan: http://nl2.php.net/manual/en/function.array-slice.php
07:07:22 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, /array_slice/! I'd forgotten about it, so long since I used it :-)
07:07:24 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks MaienM
07:07:26 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
07:07:27 <MaienM> yw
07:08:14 <ChrisMorgan> You can get the /first/ n results with SELECT TOP n * FROM ... but no ofset.
07:08:34 <MaienM> I'm pretty sure it has a limit function
07:08:39 <MaienM> its just called a bit different
07:08:42 <ChrisMorgan> Not through ODBC :-(
07:08:46 <MaienM> :(
07:08:54 <ChrisMorgan> It's reported as an issue by MS themself
07:13:21 * Don_Miguel thinks M$ is an "issue"
07:14:03 <ChrisMorgan> Don_Miguel: to quote someone's signature, "The first time Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck will be when they make vacuum cleaners" or something along that line
07:14:04 <MaienM> M$ should report itself :P
07:14:14 * Don_Miguel grumbles
07:14:37 <ChrisMorgan> Let me rephrase what I said 5 minutes ago:
07:14:41 <ChrisMorgan> It's reported as an issue by MS: themself
07:14:48 <ChrisMorgan> The colon makes all the difference :P
07:15:03 <MaienM> indeed :P
07:15:17 <ChrisMorgan> You get US$, AU$, NZ$ etc... what is the M$?
07:15:18 <ChrisMorgan> :P
07:16:17 <Don_Miguel> pain in the butt
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07:16:18 <MaienM> its worth nothing, thats for sure :P
07:16:26 <Don_Miguel> less
07:16:37 <ChrisMorgan> Ah! The Zimbabwean dollar! :P
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07:17:17 <Don_Miguel> yes THOSE may be worth slightly less than M$
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07:24:04 <pa_4931> need some help...
07:24:10 <ChrisMorgan> Yes?
07:24:13 <ChrisMorgan> What's your question?
07:24:56 <pa_4931> i am running portable since two years on an SD card succssfully and I plugged the card into a newly installed XP
07:25:31 <pa_4931> when running Firefox or thunderbird I now have a command window open and both apps don't start
07:25:41 <pa_4931> noissues with e.g. 7zip or others
07:25:42 <ChrisMorgan> It sounds as though something is corrupted.
07:25:58 <pa_4931> not on the card itself
07:26:08 <ChrisMorgan> Try running a command prompt and run "chkdsk /f X:" where X: is the drive letter of your card
07:26:10 <pa_4931> plugin it into another machine...
07:26:37 <ChrisMorgan> There may be issues with it because of improper removal when it was in the middle of writing something
07:26:55 <ChrisMorgan> chkdsk will confirm the state of things. It may take a while though
07:27:05 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, and you need admin privileges.
07:28:08 <pa_4931> that's no problem
07:28:14 <pa_4931> just running
07:28:20 <ChrisMorgan> So can you run that, and then see if it finds any problems.
07:28:52 <ChrisMorgan> I should say it probably will find some issues, but it probably won't be able to fix them all up.
07:29:21 <ChrisMorgan> You could also try reinstalling Firefox and Thunderbird: their data will be preserved, but the app will be cleaned up if the issue is file corruption.
07:29:32 <pa_4931> ok...will try that
07:29:34 <pa_4931> thx
07:29:39 <ChrisMorgan> It's likely to be file system corruption though which needs fixing, otherwise it may happen again.
07:30:00 <ChrisMorgan> And remember to use the "Unplug or Eject Hardware" icon in the system tray before pulling it out.
07:36:41 <ChrisMorgan> How're you going pa_4931?
07:37:48 <pa_4931> just reinstalling after download
07:38:53 <ChrisMorgan> OK :-)
07:39:10 <ChrisMorgan> Have you tried chkdsk at all, or don't you have administrative privileges?
07:42:08 <pa_4931> i did an repaired some elements
07:42:36 <pa_4931> but when now installing the fresh load, it stops when trying to write to one of the xml to the disk
07:43:33 <pa_4931> I will try the same on the my other PC
07:44:14 <ChrisMorgan> OK
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07:50:53 <pa_4931> Chris: guess its an issue with the SD card
07:51:10 <pa_4931> need to format and reload a backup
07:51:36 <pa_4931> thx nevertheless...
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07:57:23 <dragonmage> http://www.jeffbridges.com/images/somethingtodo1.gif
07:57:28 <dragonmage> try this
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11:41:06 <Kiljacken> Hey, how do you uninstall a app you have installed?
11:42:01 <rmccue> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#removingapps
11:42:10 <Kiljacken> Thanks
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11:42:21 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
11:42:48 <ZachThibeau> howdy all
11:42:54 <MaienM|School> hello ZachThibeau
11:43:22 <ZachThibeau> whats up
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11:46:13 <ZachThibeau> why hello watson/Onestoploser :D
11:58:14 <watson> Hey there ZachThibeau
11:58:16 <watson> :D
11:58:19 <ZachThibeau> :D
11:58:45 <ZachThibeau> I'm installing Ubuntu 9.04 on may freshly compiled VirtualBoxOSE :D
11:59:20 <watson> Sweet!
11:59:32 <watson> How is portable going?
11:59:59 <ZachThibeau> well it still needs a driver but for kernel functions though
12:00:32 <ZachThibeau> all I need it to do is get it to execute SUPUninstall.exe and SUPInstall.exe before virtualbox.exe is run
12:00:53 <ZachThibeau> but the thing is that it would need administrator privledges though :(
12:00:58 <watson> Hmmm...
12:01:10 <ZachThibeau> thats one thing I need to speak with OliverK since we are working together on it
12:01:17 <watson> Right
12:01:25 <watson> It's a great idea though
12:01:29 <ZachThibeau> yup
12:01:51 <watson> I'm goin gto install Moblin on VirtualBox at home just to check it out.
12:01:55 <ZachThibeau> I'm going to make an NSIS Installer though and host it on my site :)
12:01:57 <watson> *going
12:02:05 <watson> :D
12:04:10 <ZachThibeau> the only thing though that my package needs is the guest additions :( so no enhancements for the VM yet unless you want to take the one from the puel version and use it your self
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12:36:46 <Bensawsome> >_>
12:36:48 <Bensawsome> <_<
12:37:21 <watson> http://lifehacker.com/5208533/six-best-portable-operating-systems
12:37:24 <watson> :D
12:37:30 <watson> hi Bensawsome
12:37:51 <Bensawsome> omg im using 98% of the ram on mai server comp D:
12:38:02 <watson> D:
12:38:20 <Bensawsome> come on virtual memory!
12:38:21 <Bensawsome> lol
12:38:40 <watson> This is also pretty interesting: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/13/find-software-alternatives/
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12:42:14 <pabot> SteveLamerton is the developer of Toucan and a moderator on PortableApps.com as well as one of its longest serving members, so show some respect ;)
12:42:18 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
12:42:24 <Bensawsome> ohai SteveLamerton :)
12:42:34 <SteveLamerton> Hello Bensawsome, much happening?
12:42:46 <Bensawsome> not really :/
12:42:53 <Bensawsome> not since i got here atleast
12:43:15 <SteveLamerton> Oh well, I can deal with quiet ;)
12:43:34 * Bensawsome starts yelling
12:43:35 <Bensawsome> :P
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13:11:45 <pabot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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13:44:04 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
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13:49:43 <Bensawsome> hey ZachThibeau ^_^
13:50:08 <ZachThibeau> you're late in your response Bensawsome :P
13:50:33 <Bensawsome> :P
13:50:41 <Bensawsome> only like a few minutes
13:52:07 <Bensawsome> lol interwebz
13:54:27 <Bensawsome> oh damn ZachThibeau people are spamming mai sitez D:
13:54:50 <ZachThibeau> Bensawsome: I'll take care of that :D just give me a moment, I need to restart mah pc
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13:54:55 <Bensawsome> oh ok
13:54:59 <Bensawsome> ... lol
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13:59:57 <pabot> dragonmage is a skinner, who mostly just ports other's skins to different apps. Beta tester, Feature Suggester, and pretty much an idea man.
14:01:29 <Bensawsome> hey dragonmage >_>
14:01:54 <dragonmage> hey Bensawsome
14:04:55 <Bensawsome> hehehe i haz an evil idea for the people who spam mai domain =_=
14:05:08 <Bensawsome> ima use this :D http://johnhaller.com/jh/contact/spam_policy/ john rules btw :D
14:05:23 <Bensawsome> except slightly modify it to include forum posts too :D
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14:06:27 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
14:06:51 <Bensawsome> ZachThibeau ZOMG im gonna implement this on mai site: http://johnhaller.com/jh/contact/spam_policy/
14:06:53 <Bensawsome> btw
14:06:55 <Bensawsome> john RULES
14:07:13 <Bensawsome> ZachThibeau but i do need to slightly modify to include the forums >_>
14:07:16 <WastePotato> Bensawsome is awsome.
14:07:21 <Bensawsome> ty WastePotato :D
14:07:23 <Bensawsome> lol
14:07:25 <WastePotato> :)
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14:43:09 <RayRunner> Been looking in the Support section for how to handle this problem
14:43:55 <Gizmokid2005> RayRunner: what's the issue?
14:44:05 <RayRunner> I am using Open Office and it is looking for my apps on drive F and it is now at drive G
14:44:25 <Gizmokid2005> RayRunner: did you install openoffice from Portableapps.com?
14:45:10 <RayRunner> yes on another computer which worked fie
14:45:57 <RayRunner> Is there a way to chaneg the drive letter from the apps side?
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14:49:05 <RayRunner> sorry got disconnected
14:49:45 <Gizmokid2005> RayRunner: that's what the launchers are doing...
14:49:51 <Gizmokid2005> how are you trying to startup openoffice?
14:50:22 <RayRunner> it starts up find but I have the wrtier tool in which access the database.
14:51:00 <Gizmokid2005> so the issue isn't with the apps, its with a link in one of your files?
14:51:20 <RayRunner> It gives and error and when I check the database in Office it is pointing using the F: drive when in fact I am on the G drive on this computer.
14:51:59 <RayRunner> I am assuming the program is designed for portable apps
14:52:04 <Gizmokid2005> RayRunner: that's not something we can really fix...that's file based...you'll have to change it in the file itself, or change the drive letter on the machine.
14:52:36 <Gizmokid2005> RayRunner: the apps are portable...but the files that use associations won't be if they use full static paths instead of relative paths.
14:53:18 <RayRunner> so when I put extension into Open Office I have to be careful about drive position?
14:53:41 <RayRunner> Which is hard when you are using a open computer at a hotel or cafe
14:54:20 <Gizmokid2005> RayRunner: a lot of extensions aren't portable because they use full paths...
14:54:38 <Gizmokid2005> and it is hard...that's not something we can deal with unfortunately
14:55:08 <RayRunner> got it and thanks I did not know if there was a apps that could remap drive file paths
14:55:30 <Gizmokid2005> RayRunner: you're welcome, sorry we can't help more.
14:55:57 <RayRunner> I really appreciate the help and this a great product(s)
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14:56:35 <Gizmokid2005> anytime RayRunner, just remember this is just a chat room, sometimes there might not be anyone around for support...
14:56:36 <Gizmokid2005> *sigh*
14:56:52 <Bensawsome> lol
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15:30:25 <pabot> SergentSiler is awsome and is the most.... Hey, wait, OMG!!!! PIE!!!! <3
15:30:40 <SergentSiler> stupid northbridge keeps overheating >_>
15:31:11 <SergentSiler> palogbot, uri
15:31:11 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-04-14#T15-31-11
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15:33:59 <SergentSiler> ello KevinPorter
15:34:12 <KevinPorter> Morning SergentSiler.
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16:16:35 <pabot> SergentSiler is awsome and is the most.... Hey, wait, OMG!!!! PIE!!!! <3
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16:35:43 <Fireweb> What's the best canvas size for a twitter background?
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16:44:28 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
16:44:39 <andreasma> hi
16:48:42 <ve4jhj> hi andreasma, can we help you?
16:49:55 <andreasma> hi ve4jhj, I don't know where to help.
16:50:33 <Fireweb> andreasma: just think of the problem and talk about it :)
16:52:00 <andreasma> Fireweb, I think, but there are no words comming out ;-)
16:52:55 <Fireweb> andreasma: well, in this case i don't think there nothing we can do. :)
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16:54:06 <andreasma> Fireweb, I thought, someone need help. I myself doesn't need help at the moment.
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17:58:19 <Bensawsome> anyone good with joomla here?
18:01:09 <ZachThibeau> I am pretty good at it
18:01:13 <ZachThibeau> what do ya need?
18:02:45 <Bensawsome> oh
18:02:49 <Bensawsome> ok
18:03:01 <Bensawsome> how do normal users login ZachThibeau :/
18:03:10 <Bensawsome> i only can find admin login :/
18:04:22 <ZachThibeau> XD
18:04:32 <Bensawsome> DONT TEASE MEH T_T
18:04:50 <ZachThibeau> I can if I want :P
18:04:55 <Bensawsome> ok v_v
18:05:00 <Bensawsome> just help meh plz :P
18:05:08 <Bensawsome> where i enable it or whatever
18:05:31 <ZachThibeau> you can't really enable it since it was a form in the side menu
18:05:46 <Bensawsome> ...
18:05:52 <Bensawsome> ok well the form aint there D:
18:06:18 <ZachThibeau> you didn't install the demo data did you?
18:06:35 <Bensawsome> >_>
18:06:37 <Bensawsome> i dunno <_<
18:06:49 <Bensawsome> and the site is only on mai local comp so....
18:07:02 <Bensawsome> ima have to reinstall aint i....
18:07:14 <ZachThibeau> no not really
18:07:23 <ZachThibeau> h/o one moment please
18:07:32 <Bensawsome> ok >_> ty
18:09:12 <ZachThibeau> appeand this to the end of your joomla install component/user/login
18:10:24 <Bensawsome> ?
18:11:16 <ZachThibeau> http://yourjoomlaurl.com/component/user/login or http://localhost/component/user/login
18:11:28 <Bensawsome> oh
18:11:29 <Bensawsome> ok
18:11:51 <Bensawsome> says it wasnt found D:
18:12:40 <Bensawsome> my install url isok
18:12:42 <Bensawsome> ok
18:12:51 <Bensawsome> so my install url is localhost/joomla
18:13:09 <Bensawsome> and i tyyped in http://localhost/joomla/component/user/login
18:13:15 <ZachThibeau> and
18:13:24 <ZachThibeau> does it work
18:13:24 <Bensawsome> oh wait
18:13:33 <Bensawsome> no D:
18:14:01 <ZachThibeau> ...
18:14:14 <ZachThibeau> then you failed somewhere
18:14:20 <ZachThibeau> I suggest a reinstall
18:14:25 <Bensawsome> lol
18:14:26 <Bensawsome> yarly
18:15:34 <Bensawsome> ok so what do i check to make it do that by default ZachThibeau?
18:15:52 <ZachThibeau> it's all there ben in plain site, you can't miss it
18:16:41 <Bensawsome> i think the download is wrong or something.... there isnt that directory in the do0wnload D:
18:21:27 <SergentSiler> i be finally updating to nexuiz 2.5 :D
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18:22:54 <ZachThibeau> lol siler
18:24:00 <Bensawsome> orly SrgSiler|AFK :P
18:24:04 <SrgSiler|AFK> yarly
18:24:12 <SrgSiler|AFK> srsly afk tho
18:24:13 <SrgSiler|AFK> bbl
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18:27:22 <PortableAppsGuy> Hi
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18:28:15 <Bensawsome> hello [PortableAppsGuy need anything?
18:28:19 <[PortableAppsGuy> yes
18:28:50 <[PortableAppsGuy> It is about Backup
18:29:04 <[PortableAppsGuy> If you are not busy
18:29:23 <Bensawsome> no im not busy :)
18:30:05 <[PortableAppsGuy> Alright
18:30:16 <[PortableAppsGuy> I am gonna write now
18:30:21 <[PortableAppsGuy> It is a lot
18:30:33 <[PortableAppsGuy> So waite
18:37:11 <[PortableAppsGuy> I have a lot of Apps from PortableApps.com and from other websites. And I did try to make a backup of all my apps. But it does not work. I did copy all apps - folders. But wante I did need to replace and use the backup. They all start to work funny. And I could not defrag the USB Flash Drive. the second time I did try to make a backup. I used 7zip But that
18:37:17 <[PortableAppsGuy> did not work also
18:38:15 <Bensawsome> hmmmm
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18:38:19 <Bensawsome> very strange...
18:38:29 <Bensawsome> i dont have that much experience with the backup program :(
18:39:56 <[PortableAppsGuy> But I need now to re download and install all the apps. Becuase I had t erase them all
18:40:11 <[PortableAppsGuy> I have just a list of them
18:40:18 <[PortableAppsGuy> for such reason
18:41:11 <[PortableAppsGuy> Do you know have can I make a backup
18:41:22 <[PortableAppsGuy> how
18:41:26 <[PortableAppsGuy> not have
18:41:50 <Bensawsome> well it should just do it fine
18:41:59 <Bensawsome> also
18:42:12 <Bensawsome> did you do a full backup or just backup of the data?
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18:44:04 <[PortableAppsGuy> Full Backup of all my stuff. But it did not work. And second time just the apps on one 7zip file and One 7zip for my pictures and videos my stuff
18:44:14 <pa_9604> I accidentily deleted the autorun on my thumbdrive any help
18:44:14 <pa_9604> ?
18:44:14 <pa_9604> PortableAppsGuy
18:44:41 <[PortableAppsGuy> No dont ask me
18:44:54 <[PortableAppsGuy> Many re install the software
18:45:04 <[PortableAppsGuy> Or do like me
18:45:09 <[PortableAppsGuy> make a backup
18:45:16 <[PortableAppsGuy> of the autorun
18:45:17 <pa_9604> Benseawesome
18:45:21 <[PortableAppsGuy> for the next time
18:45:37 <pa_9604> Does anyone know how to reput auto run
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18:46:28 <pa_9604> k
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18:46:58 <[PortableAppsGuy> I am asking also the crew
18:48:24 <[PortableAppsGuy> I am gonna go now
18:48:31 <[PortableAppsGuy> So have a nice day
18:49:01 <[PortableAppsGuy> thanks for speaking my voice out
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19:16:49 <pa_5585> on download & install of portable apps there was an error. hit retry, same error, hit ignore and it cont'd install. tried to open openoffice, received an error, configuration error. what do I do?
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19:29:11 <Bensawsome> pa_5585 did you try redownloading? your download may have been corrupt
19:30:39 <dzjepp> Hi everyone
19:31:54 <dzjepp> I just enabled some settings in my main gmail account (via browser) and launched thunderbird portable and its downloading all of my mail from that account from 2004
19:31:58 <dzjepp> just thought id share that :p
19:32:04 <dzjepp> dunno what setting it was o_o
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20:24:05 <andreasma> bye
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20:32:42 <coolkid> is anyone there
20:32:55 <coolkid> anyone?
20:33:02 <MaienM> coolkid: yes
20:33:16 <Oni-Neoxes> coolkid: MaienM is
20:33:22 <coolkid> oh so are yu gonna help me or something
20:33:39 <Oni-Neoxes> What seems to be the problem?
20:33:41 <MaienM> if you tell us what your problem is, we'll try
20:34:03 <coolkid> k k k its not a problem but i just need to know if there is a portable limewire
20:34:22 <Oni-Neoxes> we have a portable frostwire
20:34:31 <MaienM> coolkid: http://portableapps.com/search/node/limewire
20:34:35 <MaienM> first result
20:35:27 <coolkid> does this even work? cuz ive tried like 10 of those and non of them work
20:35:53 <MaienM> I would personally go for frostwire instead though: http://portableapps.com/node/11822
20:36:00 <MaienM> I can vouch for that one, it works
20:36:10 <MaienM> frostwire is a spinoff of limewire
20:36:17 <Oni-Neoxes> that works. I have used Frostwire alot
20:36:25 <coolkid> ok. and how can you make portablapps work on mac os x?
20:36:34 <Oni-Neoxes> ouch
20:37:17 <coolkid> and frostwire is good???
20:37:50 <Oni-Neoxes> I use Frostwire here and at friends house from my flashdrive
20:37:54 <Oni-Neoxes> works perfect
20:38:16 <coolkid> k. and is there any way that you can make portableapps work on mac os x?
20:39:31 <MaienM> well, our apps are made for windows, not mac
20:39:48 <MaienM> you might be able to use something like wine to try to run them though
20:39:59 <MaienM> http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX
20:40:03 <coolkid> o. well why is frostwire downloading at 5 kb/sec?
20:40:21 <MaienM> slow server/slow connection.
20:41:38 <coolkid> ok. well thats alright. ill wait for a sec. and do you guys have any audio converters?
20:42:22 <coolkid> portable?
20:43:14 <coolkid> anyone there?
20:43:38 <coolkid> well cya later cuz i gtg
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21:06:35 <WalterParkerJr> lol
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22:18:09 <ZachThibeau> howdy Gizmokid2005
22:18:16 <Gizmokid2005> hello ZachThibeau
22:18:26 <ZachThibeau> I'm so happeh :D
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22:18:47 <ZachThibeau> I finally got notepad2 compilable in VisualStudio 2008 :D
22:19:09 <ZachThibeau> though I had to majorly modify some source files to get it compilable XD
22:19:20 <ZachThibeau> I made enough changes to make it a fork and not a mod :P
22:19:25 <Gizmokid2005> lol
22:19:25 <Gizmokid2005> nice
22:19:37 <Gizmokid2005> I have to figure out how to add login and admin links to my WP theme :(
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22:20:53 <ZachThibeau> it's done via admin side Gizmokid2005 :P usually the widgets section of the admin panel :)
22:22:29 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: I know...I'm trying to find it actually, if you go to my site you'll see it has them at the top, but my engagement one I can't figure it out...but I'm watching a HILARIOUS video and I'll look at it when it's done
22:22:45 <ZachThibeau> XD
22:22:48 <ZachThibeau> nice :P
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23:57:40 <atulio> hi
23:57:49 <daBomb69> Hi atulio
23:57:51 <JacobMastel> Hi atulio can we help you?
23:59:13 <atulio> i was wondering if i can make a portable app from a msi?
23:59:24 <JacobMastel> No you cannot
23:59:24 <OliverK> sure
23:59:30 <atulio> ok
23:59:35 <OliverK> oh, a MSI file, no
23:59:35 <JacobMastel> msi is simply a predone installer.
23:59:48 <atulio> what about a exe installer?
23:59:52 <JacobMastel> No