IRC Log from 2009-05-03

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00:15:03 <TimClark> back for a while Gizmokid2005 ? :)
00:15:16 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: I think so.
00:15:28 <TimClark> the floor is yours :D
00:16:33 <Gizmokid2005> lol thanks...
00:17:15 * Roamer walks onto the floor... "Opps". Roamer then walks off the floor.
00:17:58 <SergentSiler> lol
00:18:24 <daBomb69> loll
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00:26:13 <pabot> Suiseiseki is desu
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00:27:32 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
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01:47:24 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
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02:19:52 <daBomb69> Hi rmccue
02:20:22 <rmccue> Yo.
02:20:34 <SergentSiler> erro rmccue
02:21:12 <rmccue> $error = rmccue;
02:21:19 <SergentSiler> lololol
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02:38:10 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
02:38:27 <KevinPorter> Evenin' ZachThibeau.
02:43:35 <Mir> wow
02:43:45 <Mir> this computer i am working on crashes a lot
02:43:51 <Mir> midori crashes it
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03:11:27 <pabot> kai_62656 is here. He's developing LMarbles, Lincity-NG, WinHTTrack Website Copier, Gourmet, and NVDA Portable.
03:11:35 <SrgSiler|AFK> ohai kai_62656
03:11:48 <kai_62656> ... again SrgSiler|AFK ... (LOL)
03:11:53 <SrgSiler|AFK> ?
03:11:56 <kai_62656> >:-)
03:12:15 <SrgSiler|AFK> >_>
03:12:16 <SrgSiler|AFK> <<_
03:12:20 <kai_62656> hehe
03:13:19 <SrgSiler|AFK> ...?
03:13:28 <kai_62656> ??...
03:13:31 <kai_62656> ?...
03:13:37 <SrgSiler|AFK> Orly? :3
03:13:54 <kai_62656> Yarly! 3:
03:14:05 <SrgSiler|AFK> OhSRSLY? :3
03:14:20 * SrgSiler|AFK swoops off into the dark
03:14:24 <kai_62656> :3 ?YLSRSho
03:14:33 * kai_62656 hides
03:14:40 <SrgSiler|AFK> :3
03:15:30 <kai_62656> sigh
03:15:36 <kai_62656> hgis
03:15:59 <SrgSiler|AFK> Orly? :3 3: ?ylrO
03:16:05 <kai_62656> sigh\
03:16:12 <SrgSiler|AFK> lewel
03:16:34 * SrgSiler|AFK shanks kai_62656
03:16:53 * kai_62656 dodges
03:17:02 * SrgSiler|AFK reshanks and hits
03:17:17 * kai_62656 dodges again and RUnS
03:17:31 <SrgSiler|AFK> u didnt dodge >_>
03:17:34 <SrgSiler|AFK> * SrgSiler|AFK reshanks and hits
03:17:38 <kai_62656> ...
03:17:40 <SrgSiler|AFK> "And hits"
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03:18:01 <pabot> dragonmage is a skinner, who mostly just ports other's skins to different apps. Beta tester, Feature Suggester, and pretty much an idea man.
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03:48:32 <pabot> dragonmage is a skinner, who mostly just ports other's skins to different apps. Beta tester, Feature Suggester, and pretty much an idea man.
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04:03:09 <TaffinFoxcroft> ohai JacobMastel
04:03:21 <JacobMastel> HI TaffinFoxcroft
04:03:33 <TaffinFoxcroft> CAPS?
04:03:58 <JacobMastel> No just didn't let go of shift fast enough
04:04:00 <JacobMastel> Sorry
04:04:04 <Bensawsome> lol internet
04:04:06 <JacobMastel> Been a long difficult day
04:04:07 <TaffinFoxcroft> =P
04:10:29 <JacobMastel> I wanna learn C++ anyone got a compiler to recommend?
04:11:00 <TaffinFoxcroft> gcc?
04:11:10 <TaffinFoxcroft> MSVC express?
04:11:22 <JacobMastel> I can't figure out anything on gcc's site
04:11:30 <TaffinFoxcroft> (note: you could use Code::Blocks for gcc?
04:12:26 <TaffinFoxcroft> link for MSVC: http://www.microsoft.com/express/vc/
04:12:46 <Bensawsome> noooooo! not ms!
04:13:06 <TaffinFoxcroft> and although I mildly hate to admit it, they do have a good tutorial(s)
04:13:57 <JacobMastel> Isn't their version of C++ dependant on stuff though?
04:14:35 <TaffinFoxcroft> its dependant on the VC++ 9 runtime, but only if you use GUI related things (i think)
04:15:12 <JacobMastel> hm so if I wanted to make an app then it wouldn't really be portable :(
04:15:19 <JacobMastel> I'll stick with the GCC I think...
04:16:02 <TaffinFoxcroft> there's even a portable version of Code::blocks and minGW in the forums =P
04:16:20 <JacobMastel> I don't care about minGW that's for linux....ewww ;P
04:18:29 <Bensawsome> >_>
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04:19:49 <TaffinFoxcroft> minGW is a windows port of gcc
04:20:04 <JacobMastel> oh...
04:20:34 * TaffinFoxcroft applies his palm to JacobMastel's forehead
04:20:54 <JacobMastel> TaffinFoxcroft: forgive me their website sucks :P
04:21:02 <JacobMastel> Like I said it's been a hard day...
04:21:12 <TaffinFoxcroft> I know. wikipedia was easier =P
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04:23:45 <JacobMastel> wtf...it wants to install into the same folder as rocketdock...
04:23:47 <JacobMastel> That's weird...
04:25:19 <JacobMastel> This looks interesting...http://www.ulteo.com/home/en/home?autolang=en
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04:28:03 <alpha1beta> hello
04:28:08 <JacobMastel> Hi mike
04:28:11 <SrgSiler|AFK> ellothar alpha1beta
04:28:24 <alpha1beta> hi guys, how's it going?
04:28:46 <JacobMastel> Alright
04:28:55 * JacobMastel is looking into C++ and andLinux
04:29:19 <alpha1beta> I got a C++ book for dummies PDF, grab me tomorrow and I'll give it to you
04:29:27 <JacobMastel> I gots it
04:29:34 <JacobMastel> It's in the ot forum :P
04:29:44 <alpha1beta> I had it before that :P
04:29:48 <alpha1beta> Torrents FTW
04:29:53 <SrgSiler|AFK> +1
04:30:30 <alpha1beta> I also have the O'Reilly books
04:30:45 <JacobMastel> As in Bill O'Reily?
04:30:50 <SrgSiler|AFK> LOL
04:30:54 <JacobMastel> :P
04:30:56 <TaffinFoxcroft> ORLY?
04:31:10 <alpha1beta> as in the famous linux books, written bymany people
04:31:15 <SrgSiler|AFK> OReILY? :3
04:31:21 <JacobMastel> That was a joke...
04:31:37 <JacobMastel> But I don't really like linux so....
04:31:48 * TaffinFoxcroft shuns JacobMastel
04:31:48 <alpha1beta> linux is the best stuff there is
04:32:03 * alpha1beta removes jacob's right to speak
04:32:11 <JacobMastel> You're not an op :P
04:32:20 <alpha1beta> I don't mean voice...
04:32:25 <SrgSiler|AFK> lol
04:32:37 <alpha1beta> you have the right to remain silent, I suggest you use it :P or be shunned
04:32:41 <JacobMastel> FREEDOM OF SPEECH :p
04:32:48 <SrgSiler|AFK> REVOKED :P
04:32:55 <alpha1beta> lmao,exactly
04:33:08 * JacobMastel cried
04:33:11 <JacobMastel> *cires
04:33:14 <SrgSiler|AFK> XD
04:33:14 <JacobMastel> damn
04:33:16 <SrgSiler|AFK> fail
04:33:17 <JacobMastel> :P
04:33:29 <alpha1beta> I got a C++ cookbook, O'reilly book, if you want it
04:33:40 <JacobMastel> Yeah send it over
04:34:28 <JacobMastel> I'm so maxing out my bandwidth :P
04:34:40 <JacobMastel> Two compilers, mikes thing, some updates, a movie... :P
04:34:47 <SrgSiler|AFK> lol
04:34:53 <SrgSiler|AFK> i do that daily, suck it up :P
04:34:54 <alpha1beta> your thoughts on this guys, I have to place my major Monday, Computer science or CIS
04:35:07 <JacobMastel> CIS?
04:35:17 <alpha1beta> Computer informations systems
04:35:22 <alpha1beta> close to IT
04:36:55 <JacobMastel> Ah
04:37:30 <alpha1beta> any suggestions/horrow stories anyone?
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04:41:13 <alpha1beta> or libreal arts and take classes from both, but don't get a 2 year degree
04:50:41 <JacobMastel> hmm I like the portableapps blue stylish... :D
04:51:03 <alpha1beta> yea PTMB did an awesoem job
04:51:38 <SrgSiler|AFK> did he update it for the new glossy look?
04:51:44 <JacobMastel> Yeah
04:51:48 <SrgSiler|AFK> nice
04:51:50 <SrgSiler|AFK> link plz :D
04:52:22 <JacobMastel> http://userstyles.org/styles/15813
04:52:25 <SrgSiler|AFK> ty
04:52:39 <JacobMastel> No prob
04:52:42 <JacobMastel> I really like it :D
04:53:14 * SrgSiler|AFK is gonna mod it to look like my 1.5 style look :P
04:53:28 <JacobMastel> ?
04:53:30 <SrgSiler|AFK> hang on
04:53:45 <SrgSiler|AFK> http://userstyles.org/styles/15463
04:53:54 <SrgSiler|AFK> made ie before john updated the site
04:54:07 <JacobMastel> lol
04:54:21 <SrgSiler|AFK> it was usable for all of 3 days XD
04:54:57 <SrgSiler|AFK> so i guess ill just tweak the look
04:55:24 <JacobMastel> Anyone here ever use something called KallOut?
04:55:39 <JacobMastel> The FF extention is amazing. Anyone tried the mian system one?
04:55:45 <alpha1beta> yep, comes with stylish, IT'S GAY
04:56:02 * JacobMastel likes it in the browser...
04:56:03 <JacobMastel> :P
04:56:04 <SrgSiler|AFK> XD
04:56:10 <alpha1beta> I don't want extra bloatware to come with my stylish!
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05:13:20 <TaffinFoxcroft> ray-wielding linus FTW: http://www.dragonfable.com/images/designotes/df-linusprince.jpg
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05:19:20 <Guest66239> hi anyone can help me here. my portableapp platform does not auto start
05:20:20 <Guest66239> help!
05:20:32 <alpha1beta> hi, what seems to be the problem
05:20:57 <alpha1beta> auto start? what OS? and is it locked down?
05:21:01 <Guest66239> hello =) my portableapp platform does not auto start
05:21:18 <Guest66239> winxp
05:21:30 <alpha1beta> locked down, or admin?
05:21:34 <Guest66239> what does it mean by loacked down?
05:21:40 <Guest66239> locked
05:21:47 <alpha1beta> non administrator account
05:21:54 <alpha1beta> ok, school computer, your own?
05:22:07 <Guest66239> my own computer
05:22:23 <Guest66239> using it as admin
05:22:27 <alpha1beta> ok, thanks for that.
05:22:33 <alpha1beta> ok, plugin your USB drive please
05:22:54 <Guest66239> i install appplatform under my USB root directory
05:23:35 <alpha1beta> go to My Computer, then into the root of your USB, Is there a files called autorun.ini?
05:24:03 <Guest66239> i have a autorun.inf
05:24:07 <Guest66239> inf but not ini
05:24:37 <alpha1beta> I think it is inf, not ini, sorry I'm using linux, ..you know, cause windows sucks :P
05:24:45 <Guest66239> hahahh
05:24:54 <Guest66239> it's ok
05:25:06 <alpha1beta> ok, can you open that files please, and copy and paste that is says to me
05:25:24 <Guest66239> [Autorun]
05:25:30 <Guest66239> Open=StartPortableApps.exe
05:25:35 <Guest66239> Action=Start PortableApps.com
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05:25:42 <Guest66239> Icon=StartPortableApps.exe
05:25:47 <Guest66239> Label=PortableApps.com
05:25:54 <Guest66239> it's default
05:26:11 <alpha1beta> now, just curious, did you install the portableapps menu/platform or just the apps
05:26:45 <Guest66239> the most simple one
05:26:51 <Guest66239> just the platform
05:26:53 <Guest66239> no other app
05:26:56 <alpha1beta> best bet, grab the latest installer, PAP 1.6 RC 0 from the best testing forum, and install it
05:27:53 <rmccue> Guest66239: What happens when you plug your drive in?
05:28:05 <Guest66239> nohting
05:28:15 <Guest66239> no notification
05:28:18 <rmccue> Not even a dialog box asking you what you want to run?
05:28:20 <Guest66239> no autorun
05:28:24 <Guest66239> nope
05:28:33 <alpha1beta> Conflicker? @rmccue
05:28:33 <Guest66239> maybe the windows setting?
05:28:50 <rmccue> alpha1beta: I don't think it would be Conficker doing that.
05:28:59 <rmccue> Guest66239: Possibly. What happens if you put a CD in?
05:29:06 <alpha1beta> that's one of conflictors things
05:29:14 <Guest66239> hmm let me try
05:29:33 <alpha1beta> Guest66239: you could try Tweak UI to re-enable all autorun, tweak UI is from AM$
05:30:33 <Guest66239> ok let me download it
05:31:12 <Guest66239> insteresting... my CD autoruns
05:31:16 <alpha1beta> simplest way I know to re-enable autorun is via tweak UI (for XP only), another possible but doubtful problem could be conflictor,
05:31:20 <Guest66239> there's a dialog
05:31:28 <rmccue> Hmm, that's interesting.
05:31:51 <alpha1beta> ok, then it's probably the setting is messed up, you/someone turned it off/broke it
05:32:00 <Guest66239> let me use twek UI
05:33:02 <alpha1beta> alrighty, I have to get to bed, so I will leave you in the hopefully capable hands of rmccue, he know his stuff
05:33:18 <Guest66239> thanks alpha!
05:33:41 <alpha1beta> Night, and goodluck
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05:38:33 <Guest66239> i will reboot and see
05:38:51 <Guest66239> i checked the autorun on the USB
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06:16:10 <rmccue> Cyclops smile: -D
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06:24:56 <upnPAD> would be like o-D rmccue
06:25:33 <rmccue> upnPAD: :D/=D is a biclops, so .D/-D would be a cyclops :)
06:26:01 <upnPAD> yea but the eye is always huge in a cyclops rmccue
06:26:43 <rmccue> Not always.
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09:02:00 <pabot> MaienM is developing The Mana World Portable, and would like people to test it: http://www.portableapps.com/node/18809
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11:31:12 <pa_9147> help
11:31:12 <pabot> pa_9147: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
11:32:41 <pa_9147> My Husband does all the computer stuff but is away for five weeks and i can not work out how to get my e mails back. The thunderbird I have been using has just gone and when I log on I now get asked to set up a new account...can anyone talk me through how to get it back?
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12:29:18 <sheen5500> hello how can i set to autorun portableapps when i plug my stick on??
12:29:58 <sheen5500> can anybody help me?
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13:04:14 <sar3th> sorry sheen5500, i was ingame
13:05:06 <sar3th> sheen5500: please read this article: http://portableapps.com/blogs/rmccue/u3_autorun
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13:48:38 <pa_8115> 吴春锁
13:48:44 <pa_8115> 你们好呀，朋友们。
13:48:48 <pa_8115> 你们都是哪儿的人呀。
13:48:54 <pa_8115> 请告诉我好吗。谢谢。
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13:49:04 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is happy at his progress at Certiport and Network+!!! http://tinyurl.com/Certiport http://tinyurl.com/Networkpls
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13:55:35 <pabot> MaienM is developing The Mana World Portable, and would like people to test it: http://www.portableapps.com/node/18809
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15:19:31 <pabot> ptmb is a blogger and wannabe programmer that uses Linux. He is an OpenSource fanatic too. You can see more about him at http://ptmblogger.co.cc/
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15:50:38 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
16:04:45 <SrgSiler|Sleep> lol, pa_8115 failed
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16:14:51 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
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16:49:43 <SergentSiler> lol
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16:52:16 <pabot> daBomb69 is the awesome person responsible for: Gnumeric Portable http://portableapps.com/node/18311
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17:15:26 <daBomb69> Hello pa_2948
17:15:33 <pa_2948> i want to know why my dl got removed ?
17:16:19 <daBomb69> So, you were dl'ing something and the dl got canceled?
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17:17:30 <pa_2948> no it was a beta of Piriform Software Portable
17:18:29 <daBomb69> And, it's DL got canceled?
17:18:57 <pa_2948> no removed from the forum
17:19:01 <daBomb69> Oh
17:19:18 <pa_2948> it was free
17:19:20 <daBomb69> Well, none of the Piriform stuff is OSS
17:19:32 <daBomb69> There's a difference between freeware and open-source
17:19:45 <pa_2948> OMG
17:19:51 <daBomb69> Do you have a link to the forumn page?
17:20:15 <pa_2948> that is what the mod sead
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17:20:26 <daBomb69> Ya, cause that's why it was removed
17:21:03 <daBomb69> At the currant moment, PortableApps.com only supports open-source portable applications, freeware apps are not yet supported
17:21:17 <pa_2948> well it aint like thay them selfs aint makeing it Portable
17:21:35 <pa_2948> cause thay are
17:22:24 <daBomb69> Yes, Piriform makes a portable version of their apps, and thats great, but it's not OSS, so can't be at PA.c untill we support freeware, or Piriform goes OSS
17:25:37 <pa_2948> O oss freewear what is the dif it is all free so what is the big deal so restickave
17:26:22 <daBomb69> Well, if it's OSS, we're legally alowed to modify the source code of the app (Which is what we do), with freeware, we can't legally do that
17:27:20 <pa_2948> um i did modify
17:27:28 <pa_2948> didn
17:28:22 <pa_2948> what so ever
17:28:59 <pa_2948> all i did was give it a launger
17:29:48 <ve4jhj> pa_2948: As dabomb69 asked - do you have a link to the forum page so we can try to figure out better?
17:31:03 <pa_2948> um no i got mad & deleted it but still got the dl to it
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17:32:25 <ve4jhj> Ah. well, nobody's going to stop you from using it yourself, but PortableApps.com is unable to host it at this time
17:32:31 <TimClark> hello pa_2948 i am moderator Tim
17:32:56 <TimClark> was your link to just the launcher, or the full app was included
17:33:20 <pa_2948> full
17:33:44 <TimClark> if you JUST posted a launcher that would be a different story
17:34:12 <TimClark> I did not pick up from you post that a launcher was even involved
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17:35:01 <TimClark> It looked like you were posting the whole default thing, I even wondered why you did not just link to their forums for the download
17:35:51 <pa_2948> well it is a full app but it aint like the program was not going Portable any way so i did not see a big of a deal of doing it
17:35:55 <TimClark> If you would want to post just a link to your launcher, with instructions on how to get the base app that would be ok
17:36:35 <TimClark> I understand, but we do not allow linking to repackaged versions of non-oss software
17:37:11 <TimClark> It keeps us out of trouble with the folks who own the copyright
17:37:52 <TimClark> There is someone working on a laucher for ccleaner in our fourms already, and he is just working on a launcher
17:38:19 <TimClark> but i believe yours is for a newer beta and his is not
17:38:21 <pa_2948> ok
17:38:29 <pa_2948> any way
17:38:53 <TimClark> No offense was intended
17:39:12 <TimClark> But we have rules that we all have to follow, even me
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17:42:43 <pabot> daBomb69 is the awesome person responsible for: Gnumeric Portable http://portableapps.com/node/18311
17:44:02 <daBomb69> Did we get that pa to understand?
17:44:49 <TimClark> you would have to ask him and he is gone
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17:50:39 <JacobMastel> Hello
17:51:10 <JacobMastel> TimClark: Any idea why you, pabot, daBomb69', and myself are bold on mibbit?
17:51:42 <TimClark> new mibbit feature, folks who are actively chatting are in bold, see prefs
17:51:49 <JacobMastel> Ah
17:51:50 <JacobMastel> Thanks
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17:56:58 <JacobMastel> Hi brian5888
17:58:03 <brian5888> Hi, when I use Portable apps on a laptop that runs Vista 64 bit (instead of my XP Home) the menu screen is a little distorted. How can I fix this?
17:58:52 <brian5888> How do I check my current version and how can I update it if there is a newer one?
17:59:15 <brian5888> help!
17:59:15 <pabot> brian5888: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
17:59:49 <TimClark> when did you download it brian5888 ?
18:00:00 <MaienM> brian5888: go to the abouyt entry in the menu, and check the version there
18:00:22 <brian5888> Can't remember, but it was at least a year or two ago
18:00:41 <MaienM> brian5888: then please download the most recent version
18:00:45 <MaienM> there is a known (and fixed) bug with 64 bit and ?? dpi in vista
18:01:20 <brian5888> where can I find the new download and will it save all the apps I have already?
18:01:55 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/download and yes it will
18:02:12 <brian5888> sweet, thanks!
18:02:29 <TimClark> Be sure to check out this page for changes and questions http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite
18:05:15 <brian5888> okay, thanks again. One more thing, do I download ONLY the platform for an update if I originally downloaded the Suite? If I download the new Suite will it erase my data from the Suite apps already installed?
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18:05:44 <TimClark> you just need to download the platform
18:05:45 <MaienM> brian5888: no, it will not errase the saved data
18:05:58 <MaienM> it will however upgrade the apps to a more recent version
18:06:31 <brian5888> awesome!
18:06:50 <MaienM> considering your versions are over 2 years old, some of the data might be incompatible though, I'm not sure of that
18:07:00 <MaienM> so it would be wise to make a backup, just in case
18:07:01 <TimClark> Just make sure that is what you want to happen
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18:09:36 <TimClark> brian5888: are we done for now ?
18:10:01 <brian5888> yes, thanks
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18:10:28 <TimClark> yw
18:10:31 <TimClark> support is ended, floor is open for general p-appsian chat
18:11:03 <TimClark> JacobMastel: another thing, hover your cursor over someones nick in the chat area and see what happens
18:11:08 <Scriptdaemon> I got sunburnt yesterday. :(
18:11:29 <TimClark> that is not p-appsian chat :P
18:11:43 <Scriptdaemon> I'm a rebel.
18:12:06 <Scriptdaemon> So any news on actually updating anything soon? =P
18:12:29 <TimClark> things are updating all the time, CWP was just updated
18:13:05 <Scriptdaemon> In the last month, four things were updated. Two of which are the same program. =P
18:13:16 <TimClark> and ?
18:13:22 <daBomb69> CWP
18:13:30 <Scriptdaemon> PA seemed quicker before.
18:13:53 * daBomb69 remembers once, there was like 10 things updated in 2 days
18:13:57 <TimClark> Scriptdaemon: and what needs to be updated ? [oh, and it was 5 :P ]
18:14:13 <MaienM> well Scriptdaemon, if the non-portable apps don't get updated, we don't have anything to update :P
18:14:38 <Scriptdaemon> I'm not counting April 02. Since I'm counting a month to be 30 days.
18:14:54 <Scriptdaemon> Filezilla, (let me look at the others)
18:14:54 <TimClark> Scriptdaemon: and what needs to be updated ?
18:15:29 <Scriptdaemon> Gnucash, the Firefox beta. But I mean in general, no new additions?
18:16:14 <TimClark> Well for the new additons the Release Team needs to move into action, and they have not :(
18:16:29 * MaienM pokes the release team
18:16:58 <TimClark> who makes gnucash ?
18:17:24 <TimClark> and how long has the last update been out?
18:17:39 <Scriptdaemon> I don't remember. I noticed Kim made a thread asking to take it over, but nobody gave her the go-ahead so she hasn't done anything with it yet.
18:17:50 <Scriptdaemon> It's been awhile, her thread's a bit old.
18:17:55 <Scriptdaemon> Let me check.
18:18:16 <Scriptdaemon> Her thread is 5 weeks old, so at least that.
18:19:28 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, and those were just the apps I use. There's still Stellarium, PeaZip, Xenon, and InfraRecorder.
18:19:29 <TimClark> The original app maker is not a really acitve member, so i don't know what to say
18:20:02 <Scriptdaemon> Would anyone just be able to tell Kim to go ahead then?
18:20:23 <MaienM> no, the original app maker would have to decide
18:20:27 <MaienM> or maybe JTH
18:20:32 <Scriptdaemon> Shame.
18:20:46 <TimClark> The only one's I worry about are what I consider the main ones, where the acitve members are the authors, i realize the others are by students and such who don't have alot of time
18:20:54 <MaienM> unless that happens, none of her releases will be official ones
18:22:17 <Scriptdaemon> Any news on when the freeware license will be in place? I'd like some motivation to get Revo Uninstaller tested more.
18:23:01 <TimClark> No idea, but i would not hold my breath, assume at least a couple of months
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18:25:55 * JacobMastel appoligizes for the RT's team patheticness. I started doing a lot of work but got no support so it kinda got low on my priority list.
18:26:51 <JacobMastel> Oh and thanks for the tip TimClark
18:28:14 <TimClark> It could be useful when trying to follow one or two folks during a busy chat session in -ot
18:28:55 <JacobMastel> Agreed
18:29:46 <TimClark> If those wondering what were talking about , mibbit now highlights all chat by a particular nick when you hover over it in the chat area of the screen
18:30:41 <JacobMastel> brb gigantic system restart
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18:33:16 <Scriptdaemon> I still won't let go of XChat.
18:33:55 <TimClark> Who asked you to ? If you like it , stick with it
18:34:29 <Scriptdaemon> It was more of a statement than an argument. =P
18:34:32 <TimClark> I only comment on the mibbit features so we know what the pa_#### visitors are experiencing
18:35:00 <Scriptdaemon> That does sound like a neat feature though.
18:35:23 <TimClark> I'm sure other clients, have something similar, it's just new in mibbit
18:35:48 <Scriptdaemon> I wonder if there's a way to get XChat to do it...
18:35:58 <TimClark> Note how TimClark rarely dogs other folks choices in apps/clients/software/and OSs
18:36:38 <TimClark> By the Way: ATT All, Do not dog Microsoft or Windows during Support, that is not the place
18:37:21 <TimClark> Things like "windows sucks, mircrosoft sucks, M$, etc, are not helpful during support
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18:38:31 <JacobMastel> TimClark: I agree.
18:38:43 <JacobMastel> And honestly I haven't found a super good all around im client.
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18:41:11 <Scriptdaemon> Pidgin would be awesome if it would finally support video/voice and fixed a lot of file transfer instabilities. And it made it's IRC protocol to look like XChat. :D
18:42:05 <Scriptdaemon> its*
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18:42:30 <JacobMastel> Scriptdaemon: I will switch back to pidgin in a second if they'd fix the stupid crashes every time I close it.
18:43:00 <Scriptdaemon> You mean when it hangs? I thought they fixed that?
18:43:20 <Scriptdaemon> It stopped doing that for me.
18:43:37 <JacobMastel> The updates never fix it.
18:43:48 <JacobMastel> When I closed it I got the pidgin has stopped working message
18:44:40 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, that's different from the hang EVERYONE got then. That doesn't happen to me. :\
18:44:51 <JacobMastel> A lot of people were getting it.
18:45:01 <JacobMastel> It was supposedly fixed in 2.5.5 but not for me
18:45:21 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, I read a few tickets about it before last release. Hopefully they get it this time.
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18:46:17 <TimClark> Hello pa_6185 can we help you ?
18:48:01 <pa_6185> yet anuther one of my apps was removed i will not do no more for this place or support this place no more
18:48:25 <TimClark> explain please
18:48:43 <TimClark> are your referring to Abyss perhaps?
18:50:31 <JacobMastel> pa_6185: Excuse me? Do you mind explaining yourself better? It's hard to understand through poor grammar...
18:50:37 <pa_6185> the abyss web server dont give me no mobojombo aboit os & freewaer i did nuthing to the program in self it was intackt as it was from the place i got it
18:50:38 <TimClark> i have it JacobMastel , thanks
18:51:20 <TimClark> Then you should just link to their page and let folks download it from there
18:52:03 <pa_6185> what ever it is bs i will be deleat my acc here
18:52:09 <TimClark> Your link was to rapidshare, why would you need to do that if it was just their file
18:52:25 <MaienM> pa_6185: if the software is not OSS, you are not allowed to include it in the download. Even if you don't edit the software in any way. You are allowed to just post the launcher (WITHOUT the original app) and instructions for people on how to use it (EG download the original app, copy it to folder ??? and done)
18:52:53 <TimClark> Guy, thanks, but let me handle this please
18:53:30 <TimClark> Nothing in your post pa_6185 explained what you were doing, so it was assumed to be a repackaging
18:53:54 <TimClark> If it was just their file, you should have just linked to their download
18:55:48 <TimClark> Like this "Hew guys Abyess has a great product about ...., thought you might want to check it out, visit their site ... www..."
18:57:27 <TimClark> I mean by the way, their web site, not their download itself, then folks could read about it and decide if they wanted to try it
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19:01:15 <pa_6185> it aint like i am doing up wearz or offering full cracked sofware or any stuff like that
19:01:40 <TimClark> We did not say you did
19:01:43 <pa_6185> so there should not be a prob
19:02:23 <TimClark> If it is just the Abyss version then why your own link on rapidshare ?
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19:07:33 <pa_6185> so it aint illeagl to do such if you can dl the version software that any one can get legaly & is free to the public to use so it should not mater if it is repactage or not i mean dont ppl do that any way send zip rar files on the net so that would mean ever one on the net is doing illegal stuff
19:08:27 <MaienM> pa_6185: what was the dl that was removed, was it a mirror for a dl of their website, or was it a edited, portablized version?
19:08:27 <TimClark> We can't find a portable version of Abyss at there site, can you point us too it ?
19:09:29 <pa_6185> no i can not
19:10:07 <TimClark> If it is not their portable version then it is repackaged and you cannot link to it from our site
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19:10:47 <TimClark> " distribution includes only the original archive supplied by APRELIUM. LICENSEE may not alter, delete or add any files in the distribution archive."
19:10:48 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
19:10:49 <pa_6185> so my other one should not have ben removed then
19:11:33 <TimClark> You can make a launcher ONLY and link to it, but folks must download the app themsleves
19:12:04 <TimClark> and it is hard to keep track if you keep deleting you topic by the way
19:12:22 <pa_6185> omg this is stupid
19:12:37 <JacobMastel> pa_6185: no it's not it keeps us from getting sued.
19:12:44 <TimClark> maybe, but is is how we keep our selves legal
19:12:49 <pa_6185> for what
19:13:01 <JacobMastel> illegal distribution could shut us down
19:13:25 <pa_6185> it is not tacking away from the ppl that did the program
19:13:45 <TimClark> pa_6185: there are other places you can link to this kind of stuff, we are not one of them
19:14:53 <TimClark> We have our rules, we use them to make sure that everything we do is ok, others have differnent rules and you are free to post your links there
19:15:46 <TimClark> The reason folks come to our site is they know that everything we do follows those rules and is safe and legit and has gone thru our testing and standards
19:16:03 <pa_6185> so you guys would sue if i whent to there site ia did one for them based of your software
19:17:11 <TimClark> our software, launchers are openssource, you make use them if you like, just don't call them portableapps.com lauchers or use our logo
19:17:47 <pa_6185> i dont
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19:17:49 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
19:17:51 <TimClark> but your question was unclear, so i'm not really sure what you asked
19:18:58 <TimClark> remember, it is THEIR license that forbids you from doing what you are doing, at least in the Abyss case
19:19:29 <TimClark> "distribution includes only the original archive supplied by APRELIUM. LICENSEE may not alter, delete or add any files in the distribution archive."
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19:20:11 <pa_6185> well all i know was the net was not about this it was about info data source & it was divorced alone the way
19:20:54 <TimClark> Yes, it was, it is a whole new world out there, copyright holders now have rights even on the net
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19:22:57 <TimClark> What is comes down to is at our site you may only post Full OSS linceced software, OR JUST Launchers to other types of software
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19:24:12 <TimClark> If you want to post altered or repackaged versions of other software there are other site who can and will accomated you, we are just not one of them, sorry
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19:26:44 <TimClark> So at this point pa_6185 i think we have address this issue in full, if you have need of more information you can post a question about it at the main site and get answers in more detail
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19:27:08 <TimClark> And if you search you will see there have also been many other discussions on the issue
19:28:49 <TimClark> Licensing is, and always has been, a complicated and heavily dicussed subject
19:30:08 <TimClark> The floor is again open for general p-appsian chat :)
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19:49:10 <TimClark> By the way, are you all aware there is a recent vunerabilty in the Adobe Reader and an update is not ready yet, in the meantime suggested course of action is to disable javascript use in the Reader
19:49:31 <sar3th> another option is to use foxit reader i guess
19:50:34 <TimClark> Perhaps, but it could have the same vulnerability, depends on what it is, i don't know for sure
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19:59:12 <ZachThibeau> sumatrapdf portable ftw :D
19:59:45 <powerjuce> im sry foxit is better
20:00:09 <ZachThibeau> I know but I'm promoting portableapps ;)
20:00:13 <powerjuce> lol
20:00:18 <TimClark> and Adobe is better than both
20:01:29 <powerjuce> haha sure... bloatware is better than freeware AND open source
20:01:47 <TimClark> Free, OSS, and PortableApps.com does not make something better, it just means it's free, does the basic job, and we can make it portable, Folks want Adobe, you know it and so do it
20:02:07 <TimClark> so do i*
20:02:27 <powerjuce> its still bloatware
20:02:41 <ZachThibeau> anyways MaienM to music play head quaters :D
20:02:56 <ZachThibeau> if you can
20:03:05 <MaienM> yessir *salutes*
20:03:11 <ZachThibeau> :)
20:03:43 <sar3th> i agree, adobe ships with lots of bloat
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20:03:46 <pabot> Whibo is a portableapps.com user
20:05:24 <ZachThibeau> no more than itunes sar3th and itunes will try to install their web browser without selecting to install it on your own
20:05:51 <sar3th> ZachThibeau: i thought you knew i HATE itunes :P
20:06:01 <MaienM> ZachThibeau: watch out which channel you are typing in ;)
20:06:15 <ZachThibeau> I know I'm just making a point though ;)
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20:11:21 <KevinPorter> Good afternoon everyone. :)
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20:17:02 <TimClark> Hello KevinPorter
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20:17:52 <pa_9292> hi
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20:19:20 <ZachThibeau> hi...
20:19:27 <sar3th> fail
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20:24:17 <TimClark> KevinPorter , oh Kevin are you here ?
20:24:29 <KevinPorter> TimClark: Oh, yes, sorry. I am. :)
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20:24:35 <pabot> Suiseiseki is desu
20:24:50 <TimClark> Will you be around for a while ?
20:25:21 <KevinPorter> For an hour or so, yes.
20:25:31 <TimClark> The floor is yours, I've been here too long, :P
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20:46:00 <pabot> daBomb69 is the awesome person responsible for: Gnumeric Portable http://portableapps.com/node/18311
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20:53:59 <daBomb69> hi RetLaw
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21:21:14 <pabot> SergentSiler is awsome and is the most.... Hey, wait, OMG!!!! PIE!!!! <3
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21:38:55 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
21:39:05 <daBomb69> Hi gluxon
21:39:19 <gluxon> Hi....
21:39:42 <gluxon> daBomb69: Nice!!! "daBomb69 left the room ("A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows.")."
21:39:46 <gluxon> I just noticed that on the logs :D
21:39:54 <daBomb69> lol
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21:52:56 <TimClark> daBomb69: are you saying apps you are working on will be no good, as they require windows ?
21:53:17 <daBomb69> ...
21:53:18 <daBomb69> lol
21:53:20 <TimClark> perhaps you should write apps for *nix or mac
21:54:07 <TimClark> I wish folks would remember that with out windows there is no PortableApps.com :(
21:54:36 <Bensawsome> TimClark ya there is :P WINE FTW :P
21:55:01 <daBomb69> lol
21:55:38 <TimClark> Whineing is an attempt to get Windows programs to run on a system that does not have enough good ones of their own
21:56:17 <TimClark> and if there was no windows folks would not be writing apps that could be run by whining
21:56:45 <TimClark> and the number of *nix users could not support our site
21:58:22 <TimClark> And I find that most folks who claim to be *nix users could not program their way out of a paper bad, The GUI is Not *nix, it's a Windows wanna be
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22:07:01 <daBomb69> we talk 'bout *nix and retlaw dies :'O
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22:07:10 <daBomb69> and BjornH
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22:08:05 <gluxon> TimClark: ... are you insulting the awesomeness of Wine? :P
22:08:52 <TimClark> I have heard it "works" I have never heard that it was that great, and infact does not always work
22:09:09 <daBomb69> and, it fails at PAP
22:09:12 <gluxon> TimClark: Works great on everything I use.
22:09:21 <gluxon> daBomb69: That's why there's a fix :D
22:09:32 <daBomb69> not a good one tho
22:09:39 <gluxon> ?
22:09:59 <TimClark> so it's a fix for a lacking OS, that needs still another fix to work with our stuff
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22:10:46 <gluxon> BTW, ZachThibeau, if you've got a moment, I need a simple answer for a question about the PortableApps.com Installer.
22:10:54 <TimClark> If every Windows only user at PortableApps.com donated .10 a month John would not have money problems, if every *nix only user donated .10 a month john could by a pack of gum, if every Mac only user donated .10 a month, well ... ben would need an increase in his allowance :P
22:11:11 <daBomb69> lol
22:11:19 <gluxon> LOL!!! :D
22:11:46 <TimClark> thanks, i couldn't help myself on that one
22:14:48 <gluxon> I don't see why Ben likes Macs so much.... the only thing worst than MS is Apple...
22:15:00 <daBomb69> gluxon, Orly?
22:15:57 <gluxon> YES :D
22:16:05 <gluxon> MS is bad for the non-OSS
22:16:10 * daBomb69 <3 Apple
22:16:14 <TimClark> not need guys
22:16:25 <daBomb69> Sorry TimClark
22:16:34 <gluxon> We'll go into the -ot
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22:21:35 <pabot> Espreon is a lazy person who is awesome... If you give him a bottle of quality white tea good things will happen to you!
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22:38:33 <ZachThibeau> sorry gluxon I can't help I need to run, errends :S
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22:40:37 <gluxon> Okay.
22:40:40 <gluxon> ..
22:40:42 <gluxon> He left :D
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22:42:58 <pabot> PatrickPatience is a PortableApps.com moderator and developer (http://PatrickPatience.com)
22:43:17 <TimClark> hello PatrickPatience , are you really here ?
22:43:31 <gluxon> Why wouldn't he?
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22:54:15 <dbdii407> brb guys
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23:01:39 <PatrickPatience> TimClark: I am now, but I need to go buy some ice cream.
23:01:43 <PatrickPatience> ... naturally.
23:01:55 <TimClark> :(
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23:29:09 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
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23:51:12 <TimClark> gluxon: do you think before you post?
23:51:36 <gluxon> Why?
23:51:49 <TimClark> Don't correct me if you don't know what you are saying, he wants to password protect the drive
23:52:04 <gluxon> ?
23:52:13 <gluxon> oh...
23:52:13 <TimClark> he knows he can encypt some of the files , that's not what he wants
23:52:16 <gluxon> that...
23:52:17 <TimClark> oh
23:52:22 <gluxon> Which post was it?
23:52:29 <gluxon> I'll show you the lines.
23:53:13 <TimClark> let me "I don't need it encrypted, I can just encrypt the small amount of sensitive material I carry around."
23:53:26 <gluxon> ?
23:53:35 <gluxon> ... so doesn't that prove it?
23:53:35 <TimClark> "But a password would be nice to make sure no one tries to mess with the device."
23:53:53 <TimClark> that is what he said
23:55:05 <gluxon> And?
23:55:52 <TimClark> so i answered his questiong
23:56:05 <TimClark> and you went down another path
23:56:18 <TimClark> you do that a lot
23:58:35 <gluxon> Oh...
23:58:37 <gluxon> I see...
23:58:48 <gluxon> I thought you were telling him to do that instead..
23:58:56 <gluxon> Sorry... I misread... :(