IRC Log from 2009-06-03
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00:02:15 <powerjuce> wassup all!!
00:02:31 <Gizmokid|Mac> hello powerjuce
00:03:21 <daBomb69> powerjuce, :D
00:04:24 <powerjuce> so how are y'all doing
00:04:30 <powerjuce> Gizmokid|Mac: hows that mac treating u
00:04:38 <Gizmokid|Mac> crappy, gotta go back in
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00:12:39 <alpha1beta> hey guys, what's happening?
00:12:44 <daBomb69> nm
00:12:51 <ZachThibeau> howdy alpha1beta
00:12:55 <ZachThibeau> not much at all
00:13:03 <alpha1beta> channel dead?
00:13:04 <SergentSiler> all is quiet :P
00:13:12 <alpha1beta> on the western front
00:13:14 <ZachThibeau> well my ping is high O_O
00:13:15 <daBomb69> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
00:13:26 <daBomb69> SergentSiler, what was that about quiet?
00:13:35 <ZachThibeau> it's back down now
00:13:35 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, .4 seconds
00:13:41 <ZachThibeau> it was 0.9
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00:14:05 * daBomb69 haz like 5.9+ every time he starts XChat
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00:20:04 <pabot> powerjuce knows all
00:21:04 <alpha1beta> hey PJ
00:21:12 * daBomb69 things
00:21:15 <daBomb69> *thinks
00:21:18 <SergentSiler> fail
00:21:19 <daBomb69> PB+J :D
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00:21:37 <alpha1beta> dabomd69 don't think, it's dangerous for your health
00:21:40 <daBomb69> SrgSiler|AFK, u iz AFK? And u iz SergentSiler, right?
00:21:47 <SrgSiler|AFK> daBomb69, dont push it
00:21:55 <daBomb69> alpha1beta, yes, that's how i gone and lost meh brainz
00:21:57 <SrgSiler|AFK> your permaban is still on the table daBomb69
00:22:12 <SrgSiler|AFK> bbl
00:36:56 <dbdii407> alpha1beta's here? That'sa shocker
00:37:14 <alpha1beta> yea dbdii407 I got nothing better to do
00:37:32 <alpha1beta> done school, just senior night and graduation, so I got my life back ^_^
00:37:52 <dbdii407> Lol.
00:38:30 <dbdii407> I get my life back NEXT wednesday morning.
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00:38:48 * daBomb69 gets his life back tomorrow at 12:00 :D
00:39:13 <alpha1beta> school out tomorrow for you?
00:39:16 <alpha1beta> bit early eh?
00:39:20 <daBomb69> nope
00:39:27 <daBomb69> we were supposed to get out in may
00:39:35 <dbdii407> Wha?
00:39:39 <alpha1beta> whoa
00:39:46 <dbdii407> Honestly, that's way too early.
00:39:49 <dbdii407> When do you start?
00:39:50 <alpha1beta> the rest of my school goes til the 17th, seniors get out early
00:39:58 <daBomb69> wow
00:40:12 <alpha1beta> but everyone getting out in may? that
00:40:16 <alpha1beta> 's insane
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00:40:28 <dbdii407> School ends here on the 10th after exams
00:40:45 <alpha1beta> that's reasonable
00:40:49 <dbdii407> 8 or 10. I forgot
00:41:23 <alpha1beta> now you have old style scheduling or block?
00:41:52 <dbdii407> me?
00:42:03 <alpha1beta> yea
00:42:21 <dbdii407> idk. I have trimesters. :/ Other than that. idk
00:42:34 <alpha1beta> how many periods in a day>
00:42:38 <dbdii407> 5
00:42:57 <alpha1beta> ok, that's block aka intensive scheduling
00:43:07 <alpha1beta> 7, 8 or 9 is the standard old style
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00:43:24 <dbdii407> my sister has 6 periods and semesters
00:43:35 <Gizmokid|Mac> alpha1beta: around here, HS is block scheduling, 5 periods and trimesters and is out on friday
00:43:41 <Gizmokid|Mac> started after labor day
00:44:03 <alpha1beta> yeah, that's what everyone seems to be going to these day
00:44:41 <alpha1beta> we got 4 blocks, and a hour lunch (split into 2 short block)
00:45:06 <gluxon> Bye
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00:45:10 <alpha1beta> laters
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00:45:41 <Gizmokid|Mac> I had 6 hours, 2 semesters
00:45:47 <Gizmokid|Mac> s/hours/periods
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00:46:07 <pabot> Suiseiseki is desu
00:46:46 <alpha1beta> Gizmokid|Mac now that's a bit rough, ours are slightly over an hour, but only 4
00:47:02 <Gizmokid|Mac> yeah, ours were 50-55mins
00:47:03 <Gizmokid|Mac> 6 hours
00:47:07 <dbdii407> 71 minutes per hour (period) here
00:47:08 <Gizmokid|Mac> from 7:45AM to 2:30pm
00:47:18 <alpha1beta> we got 73 :?
00:47:19 <Gizmokid|Mac> with a 30min lunch
00:47:22 <alpha1beta> :/*
00:47:22 <dbdii407> 7:50-2:40
00:47:37 <dbdii407> Gizmokid|Mac, Same here with lunch.
00:47:48 <alpha1beta> we have an hour lunch, with travel time it comes to 70 minutes
00:48:41 <dbdii407> 30 minute lunch here. :x
00:49:27 <alpha1beta> w2ell technically we're only supposed to have a 30 minute lunch, but their plan fails, since anyone is allowed to go anywhere, I grab my lunch and work up in tech for an hour
00:49:45 <alpha1beta> that X like 100 days = a lot of service hours :D
00:51:40 <dbdii407> 71 minutes of class 6 minutes passing time along with 30 minute lunch and 5 periods.
00:51:57 <alpha1beta> that's not /that/ bad
00:52:21 <dbdii407> Well when you're sitting there yawning in biology class yes it is. :P
00:52:43 <alpha1beta> they vary how long we get between classes, if flex (aka lunch) is on 1 end, it's 4, if it's 2 clases, it's 7
00:52:49 <alpha1beta> lol bio's fun
00:52:55 <alpha1beta> CAD is not
00:53:05 <dbdii407> All my bio teacher does is Yap yap yap yap and yap.
00:53:20 <alpha1beta> get use to it, that's what they all do
00:53:48 <alpha1beta> now imagine 73 minute lecture on US2 with a teacher who talks in a monotone and never gives personal opinion
00:54:05 <dbdii407> How am i suppose to know what a "Direct Dependant" is?
00:54:07 <dbdii407> O.o?
00:54:31 <alpha1beta> google it
00:57:19 <dbdii407> Oh. Density Dependant
00:57:31 <dbdii407> See i dont even know how to say it she talks so much. :/
00:58:31 <alpha1beta> lol
00:58:52 <alpha1beta> your school have laptops/tablets?
00:58:59 <dbdii407> In one room
00:59:00 <dbdii407> That's it
00:59:28 <alpha1beta> ah, alrighty
01:00:08 <dbdii407> I forgot my binder for biology too today. :x
01:00:22 <dbdii407> There goes my last late pass. :x
01:00:51 <daBomb69> :O
01:02:59 <alpha1beta> all my notes are on my computer, and all my papers in my laptop bag, so I never lose a thing
01:03:02 <alpha1beta> :P
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01:08:13 <dbdii407> I know there's a definition of ecology somewhere in this binder of 76 note pages
01:08:14 <dbdii407> :/
01:10:44 <Gizmokid|Mac> .dict ecology
01:10:48 <pabot> ecology - 1. study of organisms and the environment
01:11:02 <Gizmokid|Mac> dbdii407: ;)
01:11:05 <alpha1beta> good call Giz
01:11:11 <dbdii407> Gizmokid|Mac, Thanks but she wants the definition she made us write down. :(
01:11:39 <Gizmokid|Mac> ahh, I hate how they do that...it's not like it can be much different
01:11:47 <dbdii407> Lol!
01:12:14 <alpha1beta> or if it's diff, it's cause the teacher is a moron and screwed it up
01:12:34 <dbdii407> Here it is!
01:13:16 <dbdii407> The study of how we and other species interact with one another and with the non-living environment.
01:15:28 <dbdii407> Great....
01:15:39 <dbdii407> define the terms abiotic and biotic
01:16:09 <dbdii407> You'd think if she'd actually stop yapping and actually explain this all that i'd be fine. :/
01:16:19 <Gizmokid|Mac> lol yeah
01:16:23 <Gizmokid|Mac> .dict abiotic
01:16:27 <pabot> abiotic - 1. physical not biological, 2. free of living things
01:16:30 <Gizmokid|Mac> .dict biotic
01:16:30 <Gizmokid|Mac> :D
01:16:32 <pabot> biotic - 1. living
01:16:33 <Gizmokid|Mac> I remember this stuff
01:16:40 <dbdii407> That sums it up for me.
01:16:50 <daBomb69> Gizmokid|Mac, do you really need to get the def for biotic?
01:17:02 <Gizmokid|Mac> daBomb69: nope
01:17:16 <daBomb69> I abiotic=non bioliological, then biotic must mean biological/living
01:17:17 <daBomb69> :P
01:17:34 <daBomb69> *if abiotic
01:17:45 <dbdii407> i always thought of a meaning anti
01:17:47 <dbdii407> :)
01:17:53 <daBomb69> dbdii407, ya, basically
01:18:24 <daBomb69> anti, not, opposite, all of those are good words to replace a with
01:19:14 <dbdii407> just like community means co(with)mmuni(one)ty
01:19:29 <daBomb69> yup
01:19:56 <daBomb69> same with discover dis(un(not))covered
01:20:36 <dbdii407> i've always found this funny. eat in is past tense is e put at the end. :D
01:20:48 <daBomb69> lol
01:20:59 <daBomb69> will goes in at the front, comes out at the back :P
01:21:14 <dbdii407> O.o
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01:22:23 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
01:22:31 <excid3> hey alpha1beta
01:23:14 <alpha1beta> yo,what's going on
01:23:55 <dbdii407> unit (one)
01:23:57 <dbdii407> :D
01:24:07 <excid3> nm, juts having a lan party :D
01:24:17 <excid3> bf heroes is almost done intsalling and so is quake live
01:24:22 <excid3> guess its beta night
01:24:26 <daBomb69> heh
01:24:51 <alpha1beta> it's always beta night here
01:25:23 <excid3> lol
01:27:36 <dbdii407> .def tropic level
01:27:53 <dbdii407> Rawr
01:27:54 <alpha1beta> it's a level of an ecosystem
01:27:58 <dbdii407> .dict tropic level
01:28:02 <pabot> dbdii407: Sorry, no definition found.
01:28:03 <alpha1beta> like the forest floor or the tree tops
01:28:05 <Gizmokid|Mac> there you go dbdii407
01:28:21 <alpha1beta> .g definition Tropic Level
01:28:22 <dbdii407> Eh. Doesn't help me a lot. :(
01:28:22 <pabot> alpha1beta: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trophic+level
01:28:32 <alpha1beta> .wik tropic level
01:28:36 <pabot> "In ecology, trophic dynamics is the system of trophic levels (Greek τροφή, trophē, food or feeding), which describe the position that an organism occupies in a food chain — what an organism eats, and what eats the organism." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_level
01:28:44 <alpha1beta> :D WIN
01:28:47 <dbdii407> Txt message!
01:29:08 <dbdii407> Wesley's mom's being a retard
01:30:24 <daBomb69> heh
01:30:53 <alpha1beta> wes as in Windows?>
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01:31:39 <daBomb69> Hello pa_5964
01:31:58 <pa_5964> Hello!
01:32:10 <daBomb69> How can we help you today?
01:32:20 <dbdii407> alpha1beta, yea him.
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01:32:28 <pa_5964> please, how can i make a file paf.exe?
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01:33:07 <pa_5964> i have a portable program but can´t install...
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01:34:16 <alpha1beta> @excid3 wow they make it windows only..bloody heck gotta boot up a windows computer now..
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01:35:49 <pa_2462> excuse... i left de room and come back...
01:36:11 <pa_2462> my question is about de files *.paf.exe...
01:37:29 <alpha1beta> hey pa_2462 I'll be with you in 1 sec
01:38:12 <alpha1beta> ok, SUPPORT GOING ON GENTS
01:38:22 <dbdii407> Go.
01:38:40 <alpha1beta> pa_2462: our .paf.exe are installers
01:39:00 <alpha1beta> you can easily make a.paf.exe but just renaming an exe to .paf.exe
01:39:20 <alpha1beta> but for full portablity you have to create a launcher
01:42:41 <pa_2462> right... I created a portable program with portabilizer... if i rename to paf.exe you think will work?
01:42:59 <alpha1beta> with portablizer?
01:43:34 <pa_2462> yes, you know?
01:43:55 <alpha1beta> from our site? or someplace else
01:44:36 <alpha1beta> sorry, I haven't been keeping up with portableapps much lately, kinda out of it lol
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01:46:44 <pa_2462> downloaded from a site here in Brazil ... it creates portable programs...
01:47:03 <Gizmokid|Mac> pa_2462: that's not something we support...
01:47:29 <alpha1beta> hmm depending on what it does it may or may not actually work, but it's probably illegal, and unless it came from our site, I can't help you with it, sorry
01:47:49 <pa_2462> ok... no problem...
01:48:03 <pa_2462> thanks!
01:48:14 <alpha1beta> have a nice day and if you want to try doing it the portableapps.com way, stop back anytime
01:48:42 <pa_2462> ok... have a nice day you too!
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01:49:37 <alpha1beta> now that's the kinda of support I like, no nastiness and they aren't rude when we tell them we can't help them
01:49:43 <Gizmokid|Mac> lol
01:49:44 <Gizmokid|Mac> yeah
01:50:01 <alpha1beta> unlike the kid I dealt with in tech today
01:50:16 <dbdii407> Wes lost his job. :x
01:50:23 <alpha1beta> got her laptop up last week, pieces of it in a ziplock bag it was soo busted up
01:50:40 <Gizmokid|Mac> wow...
01:50:56 <alpha1beta> needed a screen, keyboad, hard drive, re-image, and to have the pieces taped and screwed back together
01:51:05 <Gizmokid|Mac> wow...
01:51:07 <Gizmokid|Mac> what did she do?
01:51:10 <alpha1beta> and she expected it to be done in 1 day
01:51:30 <alpha1beta> she wouldn't say, I screamed a lot, it's the 2nd worst thing I've seen
01:52:17 <alpha1beta> she got a lectuture on taking care of computers and giving tech support hell
01:52:23 <alpha1beta> by me and our IT lady :D
01:52:34 <Gizmokid|Mac> lol
01:52:37 <alpha1beta> dumb frosh :/
01:52:44 <alpha1beta> no offense dave
01:53:16 <alpha1beta> the worst I've seen was 2 computers that 2 kids left under the tires of a car for "safekeeping"
01:53:23 <alpha1beta> they got run over, twice
01:53:38 <Gizmokid|Mac> wow...
01:53:56 <daBomb69> wow
01:53:57 <daBomb69> ....
01:54:03 <dbdii407> im not even paying attention
01:54:11 <alpha1beta> lol ok, good
01:54:18 <dbdii407> im listening to wes complain about how his mom cannot fork up $5
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03:00:30 <JohnTHaller> hi all
03:00:42 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Pidgin Portable 2.5.6: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-02_-_pidgin_portable_2.5.6
03:01:35 <alpha1beta> hi and thanks n:D
03:02:41 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> wb JohnTHaller, just what I was waiting for :)
03:03:03 <JohnTHaller> and with that, I'm off to bed. the releases continue tomorrow.
03:03:11 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> g'night JohnTHaller, get som sleep
03:03:12 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> see ya tomorrow
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03:17:08 <dbdii407> Oh oh! unique (one) :D
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07:36:15 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005|AFK: impressive!
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07:49:06 <kallipso> help!
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07:52:08 <Raiden> hi
07:52:17 <Raiden> is a admin her
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07:56:32 <kallipso> i need some help, finding no information about whether it is possible to install portableapps using a linux system.
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07:59:01 <ChrisMorgan> I'm here
07:59:40 <ChrisMorgan> OK guys, Mibbit will be going down shortly for a quick restart, we may drop out here
08:00:08 <ChrisMorgan> kallipso: you can use WINE to run them, the majority of our apps work fine in WINE.
08:00:32 <ChrisMorgan> http://winehq.org/
08:00:33 <kallipso> thank you!
08:00:38 <kallipso> just trying.
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15:12:18 <pa_4225> hi
15:12:24 <pa_4225> some help pls?
15:12:31 <Gizmokid2005> what can we do for you pa_4225?
15:12:37 <pa_4225> hey there
15:13:25 <pa_4225> i m trying to find out how to open a pdf file that i received on my outlook express..
15:13:40 <pa_4225> with sumatra port
15:14:21 <pa_4225> i already made the file association..
15:14:47 <pa_4225> with the file associator
15:14:56 <Gizmokid2005> pa_4225: the easiest way, is to save the pdf somehwere
15:15:01 <Gizmokid2005> then open sumatra and open the pdf
15:15:07 <pa_4225> sure
15:15:20 <pa_4225> but time consuming
15:15:26 <pa_4225> no other way?
15:15:39 <Gizmokid2005> pa_4225: the portableapps aren't meant to have file associations created, that breaks the portability
15:17:14 <pa_4225> i take it as it's not possible..
15:17:21 <pa_4225> so thx anyway
15:17:31 <Gizmokid2005> not really pa_4225 sorry
15:17:52 <pa_4225> never mind bye
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16:02:59 <ZerFEr|NA> hello, is there any software to rename multiple files?
16:09:53 <ZerFEr|NA> for portableapps ;)
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16:12:51 <ZerFEr|NA> http://www.pendriveapps.com/renamer-file-rename-tool/ got something ;)
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16:23:56 <ZerFEr|NA> works very good!
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18:24:52 <andreasma> hi
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19:28:31 <pa_2742> hi - is there a way to have a password in case I lose the flash drive?
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19:29:25 <pa_2742> help! -- hi - is there a way to have a password in case I lose the flash drive?
19:29:49 <MaienM> pa_2742: currently, no there isn't. This is planned for a future release though
19:30:03 <pa_2742> ok - thanks :-)
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20:25:34 <daBomb69> Hey, jw, does FFP leave cookies and stuff?
20:27:48 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: no...
20:27:53 <Gizmokid2005> it's all stored on the flash drive.
20:28:00 <Gizmokid2005> I mean, yes, but it doesn't leave them on the host
20:28:05 <Gizmokid2005> they are in your profile folder.
20:28:07 <daBomb69> ok, thanks :)
20:28:13 <Gizmokid2005> yw
20:29:50 <dzjepp> pa_2742 I use truecrypt with my pa drive :)
20:29:55 <dzjepp> can't afford to loose it
20:30:13 <MaienM> dzjepp: he has been gone for a LONG time already :P
20:30:18 <dzjepp> :)
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20:32:26 <dzjepp> any news on next paf
20:32:31 <Gizmokid|Mac> dzjepp: not yet
20:33:12 <dzjepp> ok thanks
20:33:34 <dzjepp> Hey have you guys thought of integrating Wine in paf somehow for nix support
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20:35:16 <Gizmokid|Mac> dzjepp: lol, I don't think that'll happen...there's more to wine than just that
20:35:18 <Gizmokid|Mac> if wine is installed it'll work...but
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21:26:11 <confused> I got a problem trying to install the portable apps app when i try it says NSIS Error Installer integrity check has failed. Common causes include incomplete download and damaged. media. Contact the installer's author to obtain a new copy.
21:26:34 <daBomb69> confused, in other words, you keep getting broken downloads
21:28:08 <confused> it is the menu and app set on the main page i tryed to download the suite standard then that message came up so i downloaded suite light and got the same thing
21:28:28 <confused> after downloading completely and trying to install
21:28:41 <daBomb69> Are you sure it's 100% DL'd?
21:29:26 <confused> concidering i downloaded the same suite standard 3 times yesterday and tryed to instal . i am sure it was 100%
21:29:36 <confused> none worked
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21:30:11 <daBomb69> weird
21:30:23 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> confused: try a different mirror
21:30:34 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> you are getting some type of corrupted download
21:30:36 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> check the MD5 of it
21:30:42 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> that's the easiest way to know.
21:31:19 <confused> ... sorry... what is MD5
21:32:32 <confused> ..... hello
21:32:46 <daBomb69> .dict MD5
21:32:49 <pabot> daBomb69: Sorry, no definition found.
21:32:54 <daBomb69> .wik MD5
21:32:56 <pabot> "In cryptography, MD5 (Message-Digest algorithm 5) is a widely used cryptographic hash function with a 128-bit hash value." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5
21:33:29 <confused> how do i cheak that???
21:33:56 <daBomb69> We have an MD5 program on PA.c that tells you an MD5 value
21:35:05 <confused> for now where is there a mirror for the PortableApps.com Suite Standard
21:37:17 <confused> ....
21:38:03 <daBomb69> confused, other sourcefourge servers
21:38:49 <confused> how do i change the server
21:39:02 <daBomb69> idk
21:39:16 <confused> i have downloaded this app from 3 different computers and had the same problem
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21:40:58 <confused> this really sucks
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22:01:01 <JohnTHaller> hola
22:01:06 <daBomb69> Hi JohnTHaller
22:01:20 <JohnTHaller> In case anyone missed it before...
22:01:33 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: WinMerge Portable 2.12.2 Rv 3: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-03_-_winmerge_portable_2.12.2_rev_3
22:01:42 <JohnTHaller> Firefox Portable 3.5 Beta 4 is being uploaded now
22:01:46 <daBomb69> yay :D
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22:05:52 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Seriously?
22:05:55 <gluxon> FINALLY!
22:05:57 <gluxon> :D
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22:07:15 <JohnTHaller> it was lower down the list since it's a beta
22:08:58 <daBomb69> oh
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23:23:02 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 3.5 Beta 4: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-03_-_firefox_portable_3.5_beta_4
23:23:18 <Res2216firestar> :)
23:23:55 <daBomb69> Yay :D
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23:24:57 <ChrisMorgan> OK JohnTHaller, do you want me to do BPBible Portable 0.4.4 Pre-Release 3 with 0.91 specs?
23:25:35 <ChrisMorgan> I updated BPBible SVN so it's at 0.91 specs (copies 16 and 32 PNGs), but forgot to change the appinfo version number, so I'll need to do that :P
23:25:50 <JohnTHaller> Is there anything wrong with the current PR2?
23:26:26 <ChrisMorgan> Not that I'm aware of other than a possible problem with the optional section making Data\resources be scrapped (PAI problem I'd guess, maybe I need a Preserve entry)
23:26:32 <JohnTHaller> (I'm actually upcating it now)
23:27:03 <ChrisMorgan> 32 and 16 images are in BPBible's SVN repo, graphics\bible_16x16.png etc.
23:27:17 <ChrisMorgan> Or actually in App\BPBible\graphics\bible_*x*.png
23:27:17 <JohnTHaller> i can just pull em from appicon.ico right?
23:27:34 <ChrisMorgan> It'll be easier to copy them from App\BPBible\graphics
23:28:05 <ChrisMorgan> (bible_16x16.png -> appicon_16.png, bible_32x32.png -> appicon_32.png)
23:28:28 <JohnTHaller> ok, got em
23:28:28 <ChrisMorgan> I started downloading gluxon's Eclipse Portable to my USB disk... and ran out of space. Whoops.
23:28:47 <ChrisMorgan> So I cleared things up... now I've got 2 of my 8GB free :-)
23:28:54 <JohnTHaller> removed a couple things from your installer.ini. you don't need the main entires, since they're unchanged
23:29:03 <JohnTHaller> what did you say is up with the optional section?
23:29:23 <ChrisMorgan> It's been reported that after installing it with that on, other things from Data\resources disappeared.
23:29:47 <JohnTHaller> shouldn't. lemme check it.
23:30:05 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, I was intending to but haven't got to it
23:30:14 <JohnTHaller> Also, it's best to do an install type for either or. Not just if they select additional.
23:30:22 <JohnTHaller> 'Standard' would work
23:30:30 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, where?
23:31:03 <JohnTHaller> InstallType. You have it set to 'With Resources' if they install the additional stuff and blank without.
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23:31:15 <JohnTHaller> Both need an entry. Then the installer can figure out what they did last time and automatically do it again
23:31:15 <ChrisMorgan> So With Resources or Standard?
23:31:24 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll change that in BPBible SVN.
23:31:37 <ChrisMorgan> And MainSection* aren't needed, Title defaults to BPBible Portable [required]?
23:31:43 <JohnTHaller> yes
23:31:50 <JohnTHaller> So you ok with Standard?
23:31:55 <ChrisMorgan> Fine.
23:32:18 <ChrisMorgan> As you see, I've got a PreserveDirectory1=App\BPBible\resources, will we need a PreserveDirectory2=Data\resources?
23:32:30 <JohnTHaller> No
23:32:37 <JohnTHaller> installer doesn't touch data unless you tell it to
23:32:59 <ChrisMorgan> Just wondering because of what was reported in the thread.
23:34:01 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I think I might have another crack at finishing off my XAMPP Portable launcher, then make it use the nice new downloading stuff so we don't get issues with the control panel, and so it'll auto-update new installations :-)
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23:34:20 <ChrisMorgan> At the moment though I should probably be studying for my Physics exam next Tuesday :P
23:34:33 <ChrisMorgan> No school till next Friday :-)
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23:37:35 <ChrisMorgan> Well, the issue I opened for requesting some way of overriding the settings path in Inkscape won't be going into 0.47, I've been told. :-(
23:37:49 <ChrisMorgan> I waited too long, the code is in theory frozen now I believe
23:38:07 <ChrisMorgan> So 0.47 Portable I'll just go back to move-move.
23:39:06 <ChrisMorgan> "Hard freeze" May 25, "Branch" June 5... http://www.inkscape.org/archive.php?lang=en&year=2009&month=04
23:39:34 <JohnTHaller> ah
23:39:45 <ChrisMorgan> Well, before June 15 I reckon I might go back to move-move for 0.46, then maybe we can get 0.47 out official quickly?
23:40:14 <ChrisMorgan> Really, I wonder whether I should submit a two line patch making it use the environment variable INKSCAPE_PORTABLE_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY or something like that. Wouldn't be at all hard.
23:40:39 <ChrisMorgan> It's really a pity I waited so long.
23:41:39 <JohnTHaller> how hard is it to recompile?
23:41:44 <ChrisMorgan> I hope that 0.47 is a lot more stable than the nightly build from a couple of weeks ago Dad downloaded! It was just lousy...
23:41:47 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know.
23:41:52 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: it comes up as book not set. all files are there, though
23:42:08 <ChrisMorgan> OK... probably a launcher issue then.
23:42:46 <ChrisMorgan> I'll take a look at it later then I think. I should get on with studying :-(
23:43:00 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, bbl I hope :-)
23:43:31 <ChrisMorgan> one other question JohnTHaller about the GPL and redistributing sources.
23:43:45 <JohnTHaller> what abou tit
23:44:02 <ChrisMorgan> That wasn't my understanding of the GPL, you just had to have the sources available for no more cost than they paid for the original program.
23:44:21 <ChrisMorgan> i.e. you don't have to have it available, but if anyone asks for it you've got to hand it over.
23:44:24 <ChrisMorgan> Is that not correct?
23:45:02 <JohnTHaller> Depends on the version. in GPL3 you have to make it available for download, i'm pretty sure. in gpl2 you're 'supposed' to make it available for download, or offer it up to all who ask.
23:45:21 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, my knowledge is of GPLv2.
23:45:22 <JohnTHaller> you have to have it available when you post on sourceforge. and you have to to post on PA.c too
23:45:47 <ChrisMorgan> So when I have an app I do, I should be posting the source code on my website as well?
23:46:06 <ChrisMorgan> I would have thought it'd be OK to just link, but I'm not a nail. ;-)
23:46:52 <JohnTHaller> Links aren't acceptable. You have to make the source available yourself at your own cost. If someone downstream asks for it, you can't point em to the publisher.
23:47:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... the devil in me asks whether it should then be literally at http://portableapps.com/ ;-)
23:48:13 <JohnTHaller> no. meannig you're hosting it yourself or via a 3rd party asking as your agent. unless upstream offers to handle it for you, as we do for people distributing our unaltered installers or bundling with a license
23:48:15 <ChrisMorgan> My understanding of the GPL (v2) was that if you really felt like it you could sell the software for $1,000,000 if you liked, and then if someone wanted the source code, sell it to them for another million, but after that they can do what they like with it with distributing it with proper attribution etc.
23:48:36 <JohnTHaller> source can only charge a media fee. like 5 or 10 bucks
23:48:58 <ChrisMorgan> What exactly is the situation with the XAMPP Control Panel's license?
23:49:10 <JohnTHaller> xampp control panel is not open source\
23:49:16 <JohnTHaller> i have it listed as freeware
23:49:22 <ChrisMorgan> k
23:49:30 <ChrisMorgan> That's what I thought.
23:49:38 <JohnTHaller> he will provide the source if you pay him like 10 bucks, but not under an OSI license so you can't do anything with it
23:49:55 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: hang on a sec I have the current bpbible build for you
23:50:19 <ChrisMorgan> k
23:50:35 <JohnTHaller> PMed you
23:50:40 <ChrisMorgan> thx
23:50:50 <JohnTHaller> alright... dinner time for me
23:50:54 <JohnTHaller> later all
23:50:55 <ChrisMorgan> k
23:51:05 <daBomb69> Bye JohnTHaller
23:51:13 <JohnTHaller> get it to me when you can. i'm updating all apps to new installer and recompile with the nsis win7 patch
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23:55:22 <ChrisMorgan> One thing I noted with the Windows 7 patched makensis.exe is that it doesn't work in Windows 98, where NSIS 2.44 does... so I couldn't do as much development on the school Windows 98 machines as I like to...
23:56:34 <ChrisMorgan> Well today or tomorrow 44 new machines are due to arrive at school, so the library will be getting decent computers (probably from the previous batch, 3.06GHz P4s, 4 years old) for the first time ever...
23:59:09 <ChrisMorgan> (1) a copy of the Corresponding Source for all the software in the product that is covered by this License, on a durable physical medium customarily used for software interchange, for a price no more than your reasonable cost of physically performing this conveying of source, or (2) access to copy the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge.
23:59:14 <ChrisMorgan> (GPLv3)
23:59:33 <ChrisMorgan> I read part 2 there as saying that it can be any network server, but I'll read on...