IRC Log from 2009-06-06
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00:40:17 <sendak.freenode.net> Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!" | Please keep things polite and avoid any discussions of illegal software | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | Please do not PM anyone without prior permission.
00:40:17 <sendak.freenode.net> Users on #portableapps: palogbot Don_Miguel DaveDixonII dabossbv Res2216firestar Jeremified Was1ePo1ato sar3th Suiseiseki ZerFEr guest63452 Zarggg @Gizmokid2005|AFK Bensawsome Twinkletoes|W MaienM|Away +pabot +ZachThibeau inked tarbo Mir StatBot SrgSiler|AFK
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01:00:25 <PatrickPatience> Dudes, has something changes in the installer recently stopping the user from changing the install path?
01:02:57 <gluxon> ?
01:03:35 <sar3th> PatrickPatience: not as far as i know, that'd be a bug imo
01:03:45 *** PatrickPatience changed the topic to: "Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!" | Please keep things polite and avoid any discussions of illegal software | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | Please do not PM anyone without prior permission. | A '?' is not an intelligent reply"
01:04:16 <PatrickPatience> sar3th: Thanks man. They're working fine for me, but I've got a friend who doesn't get the option at all.
01:04:23 <sar3th> PatrickPatience, gluxon: you made my day :D
01:04:33 <sar3th> PatrickPatience: which app?
01:04:34 <gluxon> ...
01:04:40 <gluxon> All I did was "?"
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01:07:18 <PatrickPatience> sar3th: He mentioned 7-Zip 4.65 Rv 2, WinMerge 2.12.2 Rv 3, Pidgin 2.5.6 Rv 2, Notepad++ 5.4.2, WinMerge 2.12.2 Rv 2.
01:07:21 <PatrickPatience> It's pretty odd.
01:07:25 <PatrickPatience> I'll ask John,
01:07:31 <sar3th> should i test one of them?
01:07:49 <Yooliyooli> hmm
01:08:37 <Yooliyooli> How can I register that name on freenode?
01:08:59 <sar3th> ./msg nickserv help register
01:09:07 <PatrickPatience> sar3th: I already tested a couple and there was no issue. I'm not sure what's happening with him. He's a pretty smart guy so it's nothing stupid.
01:09:12 <sar3th> without the . ant the beginning
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01:14:29 <Yooliyooli> .def Whibo
01:14:30 <pabot> Yooliyooli: Database error occurred
01:14:41 <Yooliyooli> :(
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01:19:48 <Whibo> Yooliyooli >>
01:19:53 <Yooliyooli> great
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02:03:34 <PatrickPatience> You should all chill in -ot.
02:03:38 <PatrickPatience> But since you don't...
02:03:40 <PatrickPatience> Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid, Gone in 60 Seconds, Indiana Jones, or the Italian Job?
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02:14:43 <gluxon> ...
02:14:47 <gluxon> The new installer sucks.
02:14:50 <gluxon> :(
02:15:03 <gluxon> Instead of C++ the new installer puts in Cplusplus...
02:15:05 <gluxon> :(
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02:16:20 <PatrickPatience> gluxon: What now about PortableApps.com products sucking/
02:16:21 <PatrickPatience> *?
02:16:46 <PatrickPatience> Cplusplus where?
02:16:50 <gluxon> oh...
02:17:04 <gluxon> I just compiled Dev test 8 of Eclipse C/C++ Edition Portable...
02:17:56 <gluxon> The 0.91.1 installer makes the filename EclipsePortable_C_Cplusplus_YADAYADAYADA instead of EclipsePortable_C_C++_YADAYADAYADA
02:18:19 <PatrickPatience> WOW THAT DOES QUALIFY EXTREME SUCKINESS.
02:18:40 <Havvy_> Namespace failure?
02:18:42 <PatrickPatience> But no really it does that because it's cool and weird symbols in filenames can cause the earth to asplode.
02:19:00 <PatrickPatience> But John always had ++ with Notepad++, so it could also likely be a bug.
02:19:33 <PatrickPatience> He's a bold one after all... I mean, a double file extension? Preposterous!
02:20:06 <sar3th> i lol'd
02:27:57 <gluxon> :(
02:28:06 <PatrickPatience> gluxon: I have a working solution in place.
02:28:10 <gluxon> ?
02:28:13 <gluxon> Rename it?
02:28:14 <gluxon> :D
02:28:23 <gluxon> I'm so tempted to do that :P
02:28:26 <PatrickPatience> No, listen carefully.
02:28:29 <gluxon> k.
02:28:34 <PatrickPatience> Once the file has compiled, you'll want to locate it using the 'Windows Explore' tool.
02:28:47 <gluxon> And?
02:28:51 <PatrickPatience> Once found, select the file and press the secret key, 'F2'.
02:29:09 <PatrickPatience> This key is known by few and allows you to magically alter the name of the file to your desires.
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02:29:19 <gluxon> ... SWEET..
02:29:29 <gluxon> Wati....
02:29:29 <PatrickPatience> I know, BRILLIANT isn't it?
02:29:33 <gluxon> :D
02:29:36 <PatrickPatience> That's why we keep me around man.
02:29:41 <gluxon> (10:29:55 PM) gluxon: Rename it?
02:29:53 <PatrickPatience> Are you...
02:29:57 <PatrickPatience> You actually tri...
02:29:58 <PatrickPatience> Bu...
02:30:01 <PatrickPatience> Ahh, forget it.
02:30:07 <gluxon> I know what F2 does :P
02:30:19 <PatrickPatience> Phew. *wipes forehead*
02:30:34 <sar3th_> sorry, reconnect
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02:31:14 <gluxon> POSTED: (10:29:55 PM) gluxon: Rename it?
02:31:16 <gluxon> Whoops.
02:31:23 <gluxon> Clipboard fail. :P
02:31:33 <gluxon> POSTED: http://portableapps.com/node/19414#comment-120396
02:31:33 <sar3th> failchat
02:31:47 <PatrickPatience> sar3th: NO! You're fired.
02:31:58 <gluxon> Swear I pressed Ctrl + C...
02:32:01 <gluxon> :P
02:32:21 <sar3th> gluxon: xchat? common issue, i have it all the time
02:32:31 <sar3th> PatrickPatience: the ctrl+c bug is annoying
02:32:37 <gluxon> ... not really :( pidgin...
02:32:52 <PatrickPatience> We need a better IRC client for Windows.
02:32:56 <PatrickPatience> Open source, that is.
02:33:04 <PatrickPatience> Smuxi will be fun if it stops being lame some day.
02:33:40 * sar3th promotes qutIM
02:33:53 <PatrickPatience> .g qutIM
02:33:55 <pabot> PatrickPatience: http://qutim.org/
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02:34:14 <sar3th> multiprotocol messenger, oss
02:34:24 <sar3th> cross-platfom :D
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02:36:50 <PatrickPatience> Speaking of which.
02:36:52 <PatrickPatience> Hold up.
02:37:27 <PatrickPatience> As much as I love Pidgin (and there delightful development team / sarcasm), this is a good read: http://coccinella.im/whytransportsmatter
02:38:30 <PatrickPatience> There's so many people involved with open source projects working to hack around proprietary networks, which is really quite odd.
02:38:51 <PatrickPatience> Granted I loved when Eion started up the Pidgin-FacebookChat project, but it's just interesting.
02:42:26 <Havvy_> Question: Is XMPP extensible?
02:43:33 <PatrickPatience> Joke?
02:43:36 <PatrickPatience> .g define:xmpp
02:43:37 <pabot> PatrickPatience: No results found for 'define:xmpp'.
02:43:47 <Havvy_> fail...
02:43:49 <sar3th> .g xmpp
02:43:50 <pabot> sar3th: http://xmpp.org/
02:43:53 <sar3th> .title
02:43:55 <pabot> sar3th: XMPP Standards Foundation
02:43:56 <Havvy_> The X stand for extensible?
02:44:01 <sar3th> _>
02:44:01 <PatrickPatience> Yes.
02:44:04 <Havvy_> Tri-fail...
02:44:07 <PatrickPatience> Crazy weirdos and there x's.
02:44:15 <sar3th> lol
02:48:51 <Havvy_> Is IRC not extensible enough for them?
02:49:38 <PatrickPatience> I don't think I'll even understand XMPP.
02:50:08 <PatrickPatience> I've read dozens of articles on it, the entire Wikipedia article, and all the articles from sander of Coccinella.
02:50:22 <PatrickPatience> The whole Jabber / XMPP thing it more than just a different name, too.
02:50:24 <PatrickPatience> Confusing.
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12:37:01 <SrgSiler|AFK> bbl
12:37:09 <SrgSiler|AFK> er, wrong chan XD
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13:00:24 <Guest71226> Hello, I'm having a problem with portable apps: I'm running XP; one of my kids installed portable apps; now, one of the virtual hard drives is no longer recognized as a hard drive, but as "portableapps.com". It can be accessed with the file manager and all of the files seem to be there. I'm guessing they directed portable apps to the wrong drive letter
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14:10:27 <Carbon> Hello is there anyone to help me?
14:11:02 <Carbon> hello i need some help
14:12:13 <MaienM> Carbon: yes, what can we help you with?
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14:13:27 <Carbon> thx i want to get a program like visual studio and also a compiler but i can't install anything to this PC.
14:14:23 <MaienM> well you could use Code::Blocks Portable and MinGW Portable
14:14:30 <MaienM> both are in beta status though
14:14:48 <Carbon> what's ur advice? could u tell me a portable thing?
14:14:54 <Carbon> hmm ok
14:15:07 <MaienM> one seccond I'll get you the links
14:15:15 <Carbon> ok
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14:16:22 <MaienM> Code::Blocks: http://portableapps.com/node/18671 and MinGW: http://portableapps.com/node/18601
14:17:27 <Carbon> thx but i can't get mingw
14:18:04 <MaienM> why not?
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14:18:55 <Carbon> it's unavailable
14:19:24 <MaienM> oh.... one second, I might have it for you
14:19:35 <ZachThibeau> sar3th: mingw portable seems unavailable can you check the status of your link
14:19:44 <MaienM> yep, I have it :)
14:20:12 <sar3th> heya, sure
14:20:19 <MaienM> Carbon: http://mmfail.getmyip.com/download/MinGWPortable_5.1.4_Development_Test_5_English.paf.exe
14:20:34 <sar3th> thanks MaienM, may i redirect my link to that?
14:20:58 <MaienM> sar3th: ehm.... just wait a bit then I'll upload it to my host
14:21:09 <MaienM> since that link is my home pc and might not always be available ;)
14:21:17 <Carbon> thx a lot MaienM
14:21:30 <Carbon> of course others:)
14:21:41 <Carbon> bye bye
14:21:42 <MaienM> yw Carbon
14:21:42 <sar3th> kay..i don't have a host myself :( that's why i haven't uploaded it somewhere else
14:21:45 <sar3th> bye Carbon
14:21:51 <MaienM> sar3th: uploading now ;)
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14:34:13 <MaienM> sar3th: use this link: http://mmfail.co.cc/download/MinGWPortable_5.1.4_Development_Test_5_English.paf.exe
14:34:17 <MaienM> :)
14:34:48 <sar3th> thanks :)
14:35:13 <MaienM> yw
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14:36:10 <sar3th> MaienM: http://portableapps.com/node/18601 :D
14:36:32 <MaienM> :D
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16:06:57 <AppGuy> what is the best resolution for a taskbar icon?
16:15:25 <ZerFEr> how about 32x32 or 16x16
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16:26:22 <AppGuy> how is the PAM icon so perfect in the taskbar?
16:27:20 <ZerFEr> what do you mean with "perfect" ?
16:28:37 <AppGuy> i'll show you a pic
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16:34:11 <AppGuy> http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=gwjydtitlmx&thumb=5
16:34:33 <AppGuy> left is mine from my program and the right is the PAM icon
16:35:10 <sar3th> AppGuy: did you copy the iconfile from the menu?
16:35:29 <AppGuy> no, um, i forget
16:35:53 <AppGuy> i think i tried to get it from the application
16:36:41 <ZerFEr> hmm maybe its 64x64? sry i am no big help :/
16:36:46 <ZerFEr> never made an icon sry
16:38:15 <sar3th> AppGuy: should be 16x16, not sure about the colours
16:38:25 <AppGuy> ok
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17:30:59 <TimClark> Moderator requires member assistance
17:31:18 <TimClark> Who here is using Win7 ?
17:32:17 <sar3th> hello TimClark, only in my vm. is that enough to help you?
17:32:56 <TimClark> might not be, not sure how VM interact with hardware, it might matter
17:33:37 <TimClark> if the VM passes hardware commands to the real OS it could make a difference
17:33:48 <sar3th> what exactly is the prob?
17:34:26 <TimClark> read this post but do not reply yet: http://portableapps.com/node/19494 Eject problems with Windows 7 RC
17:36:09 <TimClark> and please correct my english, what is the correct spelling of the word i wanted to use: whither <-
17:36:17 <MaienM> whether
17:36:31 <sar3th> okay, vm is not enough, as it uses special filter drivers to pass usb devices through..it might be different on real hardware
17:36:47 <TimClark> that what i thought
17:36:49 <MaienM> I could install win7 on my laptop to test this (and other future stuff which I'm sure will come) ;)
17:37:21 <MaienM> seems win7 is coming closer and closer, about time for me to try it out anyway :P
17:37:23 <TimClark> Sounds like a lot of work MaienM for a test, but if you willing , go for it
17:37:55 <MaienM> well, I wouldn't do it just for one test, but also to test win7 itself and any other upcoming problems/bugs
17:38:44 <MaienM> you can see it as "taking one for the team" :P
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17:42:40 <TimClark> powerjuce: are you using Win7
17:42:52 <powerjuce> not on this computer
17:42:57 <powerjuce> but i am on another one
17:43:22 <powerjuce> why?
17:43:46 <TimClark> when you get a chance could you check out the following and give the guy helpful feed back http://portableapps.com/node/19494 Eject problems with Windows 7 RC
17:44:58 <TimClark> By the way, am I wrong, I think the first response was rude
17:45:24 <TimClark> The attitude of some of the members is disappointing lately
17:45:41 <powerjuce> i thought we had worked to fix that problem?
17:46:05 <powerjuce> i will have 2 see, as i wont b on the 7 box till 2note
17:46:16 <TimClark> I don't recall the problem being mentioned before
17:46:20 <powerjuce> 2nite*
17:46:31 <powerjuce> no i mean the members being harsh 2 new members
17:47:05 <TimClark> oh, that can never really be solved, it comes in cycles
17:47:38 <TimClark> Which is why I made a point of saying the reply was rude, to remind folks to be more careful
17:49:03 <powerjuce> yup yup
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17:56:33 <TimClark> powerjuce: nice reply, ty :)
18:12:09 * TimClark is kicking Gizmokid2005 and PatrickP|Away , as well as any other possible Win7 users [except powerjuc-e] in the pants
18:12:34 * Bensawsome wants to use it
18:12:44 <Bensawsome> i'll prbly have it insalled by friday TimClark :D
18:12:50 <Bensawsome> lol
18:13:07 <TimClark> I need someone who is using it now, but thanks been, and it's not really funny
18:13:29 <TimClark> thanks Ben*
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18:59:02 <someone> Hello?
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18:59:22 <Guest27469> ?
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19:00:46 <sar3th> lol?
19:01:12 <ZerFEr> to slow :P
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19:44:56 <markomlm> hello @all. Can anybody verify that sourceforge.net is down at thr moment?
19:47:06 <MaienM> it is :(
19:47:13 <MaienM> and hello :)
19:47:49 <sar3th> yup, down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sf.net
19:48:07 <markomlm> :-(
19:53:49 <Bensawsome> .o down sf.net
19:53:54 <Bensawsome> oh duh
19:53:54 <pabot> It's down.
19:53:58 <Bensawsome> thats that site XD
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19:59:33 <pa_0767> can someone tell me if sourceforge is down? I am unable to download the suite
20:00:34 <sar3th> pa_0767: sourceforge is indeed down
20:00:35 <sar3th> :(
20:01:27 <pa_0767> ok that helps alot lol. I hated to sound like such a noob but i had some problems with other sites as well so i wasn't sure if it was me or not
20:01:35 <pa_0767> thanks for your help
20:01:40 <pa_0767> i will check later
20:01:53 <pa_0767> ciao
20:01:56 <sar3th> bye
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21:30:13 <gluxon> Wow... SF.net is down...
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22:57:52 <db69> TimClark: you here?
22:58:22 <TimClark> do i know you db69
22:58:30 <TimClark> and yes, i am here
22:58:47 <db69> TimClark: yes, you do, pm please
23:00:27 <TimClark> db69: the pm is open, respond
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23:34:44 <aan> hi.
23:34:52 <aan> i don't understand some of the portableApps stuff.
23:35:02 <aan> for example, DosBox is already portable
23:35:07 <aan> why does it need a portableapps version?
23:35:24 <TimClark> it save your settings in a consitant place for backups
23:35:26 <aan> the portableapps version of dosbox seems to do ... Nothing
23:35:38 <aan> TimClark: ok, what does that have to do with portability?
23:36:01 <TimClark> all versions of PA.c softeare save their data in the same structure so it can all be automatically backed up
23:36:32 <aan> but if I use the portableapps version, then it means i have to use an old version of dosbox
23:36:33 <TimClark> If you don't care about that , you can use the regular version
23:37:03 <TimClark> again, if you don't want to wait for our version, you can use the regualr version
23:37:22 <aan> ok
23:37:26 <TimClark> some apps put in our format are indeed already portable
23:37:43 <TimClark> but our structure makes them all save data the same way
23:37:52 <aan> why is saving data the same way important
23:38:28 <TimClark> we have a backup function that backs up all the information in ...\appname\data all at once
23:38:42 <aan> why wouldnt i just back up the ini file
23:39:03 <TimClark> but what if you have 15 apps ?
23:39:13 <aan> i have 156
23:39:17 <aan> portable apps
23:39:26 <TimClark> all putting there data in different places, you have to hunt for the data
23:39:28 <aan> 5 of them are from portableapps.com
23:39:36 <aan> no
23:39:47 <aan> all in the same place
23:39:54 <aan> in their folder
23:40:16 <TimClark> but their folder contains data and other stuff right ?
23:40:41 <aan> yes, so you're saying you make a separation of data vs. app similar to microsoft's AppData scheme which allows for deletion of the app without losing config
23:40:46 <TimClark> .../appname/data only contains your data, not the program
23:41:04 <TimClark> similer aan , yes
23:41:13 <aan> ok, that's not a problem here though
23:41:32 <TimClark> then don't worry about it , use the standard version of DosBox
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23:42:01 <aan> can you give an example of a particular program where mixing the configuration files with the program becomes complicated enough that it should warrant separation of the two?
23:42:12 <aan> it hasnt caused a problem for any of my stuff so far
23:42:20 <aan> for example, I use FileZilla
23:42:27 <aan> FileZilla has a file called fzdefaults.xml
23:42:28 <TimClark> Firefox, Thunderbird
23:42:33 <aan> and a folder called settings
23:42:47 <aan> yes, you're right about that with Firefox
23:42:54 <aan> Firefox is one of the rare programs it would help with a lot
23:42:56 <aan> however
23:43:12 <aan> the portableapps.com thing causes my cursor to turn "busy" when starting firefox and I start firefox all the time
23:43:15 <aan> so i couldnt use it
23:43:43 <aan> the second problem was Updates didnt work right
23:44:01 <TimClark> As I said, our automated backup progam backs up every thing in \data , there's nothing to think about
23:44:41 <aan> what about Updates
23:44:44 <aan> automatic firefox updates
23:44:51 <TimClark> Problems updating FFP are not related to the /data structure, it is a different problem, being addressed
23:45:28 <aan> it should come with a tool similar to DefaultMyFFP
23:45:36 <aan> so you can make file associations to firefoxportable
23:45:44 <aan> for http:// and .html etc
23:45:55 <TimClark> that app is being worked on, not stable enough yet
23:46:04 <aan> cool
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23:46:34 <aan> I dont use portableapps cause of USB drives
23:46:40 <aan> i use it cause of portable apps
23:46:51 <TimClark> me too
23:47:09 <TimClark> I use them on my hard drive
23:47:48 <aan> last time I was talking to one of the portableapps guys, I got frustrated because he could not see my perspective. I tried to explain that I only use portable apps on my hard drive, because I don't like installing software
23:48:04 <aan> he told me they are only intended for usb usage and therefore they wont be allowed to set any file associations
23:48:12 <TimClark> Makes sense to me
23:48:23 <aan> I was trying to request the possibility to set an INI setting to unblock VLC from being unable to set file associations
23:48:31 <TimClark> i meant your first comment
23:48:56 <aan> I want to use the portable VLC, but have the associations work
23:49:02 <TimClark> Making the apps "associate" will be great, but it is hard and not ready for primetime
23:49:13 <aan> i dont mean associate only while they are open
23:49:15 <aan> but permanently
23:49:51 <TimClark> the person you were taking to probably was getting frustrated, cause that is not how the apps are intended to be used, but folks do anyway
23:50:15 <aan> there is a portable movement, and its not just about usb
23:50:34 <aan> portableapps needs to recognize that
23:50:46 <aan> my 3 best friends, we all switched to portable software only
23:50:48 <aan> none of us use usb
23:50:59 <TimClark> but you need to recognize that if it was easy to do it would have been done already
23:51:11 <aan> well, WinRAR is portable
23:51:26 <aan> errr, how about a better example
23:51:27 <aan> WinAmp
23:51:41 <aan> winamp doesnt need any installers. If you go into preferences and you associate the files, then they are associated
23:51:43 <TimClark> no need for examples , I get your point
23:51:43 <aan> thats all there is to it
23:51:48 <aan> you can unassociate them if you want
23:51:52 <aan> and then its not in your system
23:52:01 <aan> the only aspect in your system is once you check ".mp3" to go to winamp
23:52:16 <aan> http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2346/scr1244332252.png
23:52:26 <TimClark> but our apps don't make permenant changes to the system, when the app is shut down, the changes are gone
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23:52:45 <aan> yes, but then VLC is useless to me
23:52:52 <aan> and I had to find the non-portable version
23:52:58 <aan> which now installs nasty stuff into the registry
23:53:01 <aan> so the problem was:
23:53:05 <TimClark> someday we will find a way, but today is not the day
23:53:11 <aan> *WANT: simple .ini and local setting storage
23:53:14 <aan> *WANT: no installer
23:53:37 <aan> *WANT: associations
23:53:40 <aan> portableapps does 2 of those
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23:54:06 <aan> TimClark: today is the day!
23:54:07 <TimClark> for the moement permenant associations are not the priorty
23:54:24 <TimClark> leave no changes behing is
23:54:35 <TimClark> behind*
23:55:16 <aan> all it needs is an
23:55:17 <Gizmokid2005> aan: you are missing the whole philosphy behind portableapps. The philosphy is as it is for a reason...changes can and may happen.
23:55:40 <aan> I'm not missing the philosophy, my philosophy is different from yours
23:55:51 <aan> I have a different use for portableapps than you do
23:55:58 <aan> look at my screenshot
23:56:07 <TimClark> aan: for the moment you are beating a dead horse, that is probably what frustrared the last PA person you were speaking to
23:56:10 <aan> here, i'll take a better one
23:56:17 <Gizmokid2005> aan: I know what you are asking, I was here last time. What you are asking is what less than 1% of the users want, therefore is VERY low priority
23:56:26 <Gizmokid2005> if you are that worried about it, edit the launchers yourself.
23:56:32 <Gizmokid2005> it's not that hard of a task and your problem is solved.
23:56:41 <aan> http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9828/scr1244332649.png
23:56:42 <Gizmokid2005> it's nothing but a few lines of NSIS to edit and your changes have been made.
23:56:44 <aan> look in my Program Files
23:57:10 <TimClark> aan: we don't need examples, we know what you are saying, but it's not going to happen today
23:57:13 <aan> THIS is why I use portableapps, that's the "whole point"
23:57:46 <sar3th> other people have other uses for them
23:57:50 <Gizmokid2005> aan: and our point is, you are the very small minority.
23:58:02 <Gizmokid2005> well over 90% of the users want their apps to be portable and leave no traces.
23:58:04 <Gizmokid2005> and that's the point.
23:58:17 <Gizmokid2005> if you want it your way, what you want it simple, edit the launchers and be done with it
23:58:17 <aan> so why not create an option
23:58:19 <TimClark> BUT that is not way portableapps.com is about, some day we will get it, but it is not going to happen today or tomorrow
23:58:20 <aan> AssociationAllowed=true
23:58:25 <aan> in the INI file
23:58:27 <aan> problem solved
23:58:37 <aan> everyone is happy
23:58:43 <Gizmokid2005> aan: it may happen...but you are still missing the point. The priority is low...and therefore won't happen for a while.
23:58:43 <TimClark> aan: You can do that if you want to
23:59:00 <aan> if I do it, will you apply my patches?
23:59:12 <Gizmokid2005> aan: you do it yourself.
23:59:20 <TimClark> and aan some assoications require Admin privs, and our apps are not designed for that
23:59:21 <aan> no, I'd like to contribute it back to the project
23:59:25 <Gizmokid2005> then make a forum post
23:59:26 <aan> so anyone using software the way I do
23:59:27 <aan> can benefit
23:59:31 <Gizmokid2005> and take it up with the main developer
23:59:39 <Gizmokid2005> he's the one who says yay or nay to something.