IRC Log from 2009-06-19

00:00:09 <Gizmokid2005> a lot of PCs these days will ignore the autorun.inf file because a lot of viruses travel that way
00:00:53 <Beginner> I have a u3 drive that luanches its own menu
00:01:55 <Gizmokid2005> Beginner: to get any autorun to work, you'd have to remove U3 from the drive
00:02:59 <Beginner> I dont have it plugged in, I'm just saying they found a way to bypass xp's habit of ignoring the inf instructions
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00:05:33 <Beginner> btw I'm not the developer, I'm the business owner and we are about to pay a lot of money for a java applet to write to a flash drive inside a browser window
00:06:29 <Gizmokid2005> Beginner: if I may ask, why would you want to do that?
00:07:11 <Beginner> its for children to download songs without having to know what drive letter their mp3 player is
00:07:33 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, makes a lot of sense.
00:09:01 <Gizmokid2005> I don't know the specifics of how U3 got their software to autorun, but there are ways to do it.
00:09:01 <Beginner> I thought we could write a little app, put in on the mp3 player to make it easier
00:09:12 <Gizmokid2005> a lot of people see that as a security risk though
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00:10:20 <Beginner> I know but there are "signed" applets that allow access to the file system
00:10:41 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but that doesn't really have much to do with autorun.
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00:15:17 <Beginner> the autorun is an alternative to having the browser run an applet that tells the child where the sound files are
00:15:56 <Gizmokid2005> Beginner: right, then you'd want to talk to U3 about how they did it, a lot of PCs disable autorun by default, as do a lot of security applications
00:17:33 <Beginner> thank you
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00:55:53 <PatrickPatience1> We had PM issues?
00:58:28 <ZachThibeau> PatrickPatience1: howdy :D
00:59:23 <SergentSiler> OMG PatrickPatience1 IS ALIVE
00:59:29 <SergentSiler> stop the presses
00:59:41 <ZachThibeau> well he hasn't responded again
00:59:49 <ZachThibeau> so I assume he is half alive
01:00:09 <SergentSiler> lol
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01:06:46 <PatrickPatience1> *charges defibrillator paddles together*
01:06:55 <PatrickPatience1> Exclaims, "Clear!"
01:06:58 <PatrickPatience1> Oh, hey guys.
01:07:08 <ZachThibeau> :D
01:07:10 <SergentSiler> lol
01:07:22 <ZachThibeau> PatrickPatience1: I finally got my own Virtual Private Server :D
01:09:43 <ZachThibeau> PatrickPatience1: http://i39.tinypic.com/jt40ue.jpg
01:09:59 <SergentSiler> ZachThibeau, :D
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01:12:16 <PatrickPatience1> ZachThibeau: Nice, with whom?
01:12:24 <ZachThibeau> I don't know xD
01:12:32 <ZachThibeau> just something random I found on the internet
01:12:40 <ZachThibeau> ohh the vps
01:12:43 <ZachThibeau> vpslink.com
01:13:06 <PatrickPatience1> Gearworx just started following me on Twitter after finding a tweet about hosting, they actually have decent pricing.
01:13:09 <PatrickPatience1> http://gearworx.net/vps/linux/
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01:13:26 <PatrickPatience1> I'm still thinking of just switching to shared with MediaTemple come August though.
01:13:59 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005|AFK: U3 works it's magic by using it's "Cd-rom" emulation, autorun is different on CD's then it is on other removable media
01:14:17 <ZachThibeau> PatrickPatience1: yeah I'm looking at mediatemple too
01:14:25 <ZachThibeau> probably get an account nextweek with them
01:14:25 <TimClark> PatrickPatience1: good to see you or at least "1" of you :D
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01:16:33 <pa_9506> Hi
01:16:53 <pa_9506> I need help
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01:17:06 <TimClark> ask your question pabot :)
01:18:59 <dbdii407> Fail?
01:19:06 <ZachThibeau> nope
01:19:10 <TimClark> obviously :/
01:19:14 <ZachThibeau> fail on the pa_ user
01:19:32 <TimClark> Not an epic really , it was just a tab compleate fail
01:19:42 <dbdii407> Okay pabot, Pregunta tu pregunta. :P
01:20:06 <TimClark> of cousre my only question was who who bother to point it out
01:20:21 * dbdii407 dies in laughter
01:20:29 <TimClark> and i was right
01:20:46 <dbdii407> No no no. Not that, something else
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01:21:35 <dbdii407> TimClark, Someone pointed it out WAY b4 me. :/
01:21:49 <dbdii407> db69, Welcome to #portableapps! What do ya need?
01:21:55 <TimClark> ahh, but who bothered to comment on it
01:21:59 <db69> dbdii407: it's daBomb
01:22:30 <dbdii407> TimClark, Oh stop pointing fingers please. So rude. :P
01:22:45 <TimClark> take yours out of your nose :P
01:22:54 <dbdii407> ;)
01:23:13 <TimClark> and how are things going db69
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01:23:25 <TimClark> still having those problems?
01:23:27 <rbrt13> hello
01:23:42 <db69> TimClark: quite well. Would be better if I wasn't still K-Lined though.
01:23:48 <dbdii407> robert! Woo! rbrt13!
01:24:13 <Mir> wow
01:24:26 <Mir> i found a GPL program that is being sold
01:24:29 <Mir> :|
01:24:36 <Mir> how can this be?
01:24:40 <db69> Mir: which GPL version?
01:24:54 <Mir> GPL2
01:25:05 <db69> i think it's legal under that...
01:25:12 <Mir> :|
01:25:33 <Mir> i am not paying 29.99 for a silly GPL program
01:25:45 <db69> Mir: just DL the source and compile it urself
01:26:24 <Mir> that would be nice except i can compile worth (insert derogitive here>
01:27:02 <db69> Have someone else here do it for u meebe?
01:27:42 <Mir> :|
01:27:58 <Mir> if you have a IPOD developers kit then ok :D
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01:31:09 <pa_5882> hello, does anyone have a portable version of an SVN client that supports SVN 1.6.x?
01:32:32 <TimClark> pa_5882: you question is being discussed in the background
01:32:59 <pa_5882> Thanks
01:34:26 <TimClark> Still checking pa_5882
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01:36:11 <TimClark> It seems no one active at the moment has one or knows how to find one pa_5882 , sorry, maybe try posting a request in the forums after doing a search for an opensource one
01:36:44 <TimClark> If you can find one that is open source we may be able to make a portable version
01:36:59 <TimClark> or a launcher for one that is not opensource
01:37:22 <pa_5882> QSvn is open source, or at least GNU licensed.
01:38:23 <pa_5882> i attempted to make a portable appfrom it, but I'm a little snowed about creating the launcher
01:38:27 <TimClark> Do a search at the forum and see if it has been requested already, if not ask if it can be done, give as much information about it as you can
01:38:51 <TimClark> Maybe one of our guys will have an interest in trying
01:39:58 <TimClark> try pasting this into your browser http://portableapps.com/search/node/SVN+client
01:40:17 <TimClark> you will need to refine the search results
01:42:30 <pa_5882> the current rapidSVN client didn't support svn 1.6 over https, niether did subcommander. I had similar issues with the normal windows versions
01:42:46 <pa_5882> can you point me to some help with creating the launcher?
01:42:50 <TimClark> sorry
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01:43:43 <pa_5882> the help on the forum was good enough to get starte with the .ini files and packaging it into a PAC file but not much help for a NSIS newbie like me
01:44:24 <TimClark> I myself am not a developer/programmer
01:44:42 <db69> pa_5882: what part don't you get?
01:46:03 <pa_5882> the installer seemed to want a launcher, which i'm unsure of how to go about creating.
01:46:44 <pa_5882> I understand that you need to capture the registry keys that the program needs.
01:47:19 <db69> Ya, to make a portable app, you find the stuff it leaves on the comp, then you write a thing in
01:47:46 <db69> NSIS that says, this is here not here, or lets it put stuff at x, then removes
01:48:00 <db69> it. That is then compiled to make the launcher
01:48:48 <pa_5882> can you direct me to any decent NSIS help pages?
01:49:07 <pa_5882> and I assume that the NSIS tool will do the compiling?
01:49:23 <db69> The NSIS compiler compiles
01:49:45 <pa_5882> i've only seen references to NSIS "editors",
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01:51:00 <db69> pa_5882: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
01:51:13 <db69> that's EVERYTHING NSIS, compiler, help, everything
01:52:20 <pa_5882> any recomendations for testing a portable app prior to posting it to the forum?
01:52:57 <TimClark> Test on Admin and Limited user accounts
01:53:04 <db69> Ya, I'd say test on a Windows VM
01:53:33 <TimClark> Look for left behing files, directories, and registry settings
01:53:47 <TimClark> Try on more than one version of windows
01:54:50 <pa_5882> I'll try to test as thoroughly as possible, but I don't have access to multiple versions of windows
01:55:04 <pa_5882> can the NSIS tool decompile a launcher?
01:55:10 <db69> no
01:55:48 <rbrt13> you can always disasemble it, but then you need to know asm
01:56:06 <TimClark> pa_5882: test on what you can, others will try other systems
01:56:37 <pa_5882> has anyone posted the NSIS source/NSIS script of a launcher they created?
01:56:58 <db69> pa_5882: all of the apps have the source
01:57:12 <db69> it's in the [appdirectory]/other/source folder
02:00:47 <pa_5882> just opened a .nsi file. i think that should be enough of a starting point to get into NSIS
02:01:03 <pa_5882> thanks to everyone for the help
02:01:15 <db69> yw
02:01:19 <db69> have a nice day
02:01:29 <pa_5882> same to you...
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02:27:40 <Whibo> What causes the database errors of pabot all the time?
02:28:11 <TimClark> too many stupid requests ? :P
02:29:50 <Whibo> ;p
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03:14:38 <JohnTHaller> hola
03:15:01 <rbrt13> hello
03:15:08 <JohnTHaller> just popping in before bed. In case anyone missed it, Firefox 3.5 RC 1, FileZilla 3.2.5 and PokerTH 0.7 were posted.
03:15:32 <AppGuy> nice!
03:16:38 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> hello JohnTHaller
03:16:58 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> and awesome :) I was going to ask you about FF since the official mailings said they werent' going to be avail for direct download.
03:18:05 <HypnoToad> hi JohnTHaller.
03:20:29 * AppGuy says bye now
03:20:35 <AppGuy> Bye! :P
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03:22:02 <kotoko> Trying to get SQLyog packaged, but cannot seem to get the launcher built. Any docs I could use other than the offical ones?
03:22:31 <kotoko> Using HM NIS Edit 2.03
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03:28:03 <kotoko> Help
03:28:04 <pabot> kotoko: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
03:29:09 <kotoko> Having problems getting the launcher created. I get everything layed out correctly on the install. However, no launcher is generated.
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03:48:41 <TimClark> Ass Alert: http://portableapps.com/node/19636#comment-121199 "Hmmmmmm"
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03:49:13 <TimClark> as usual his mouth is moving just so he can see his own drewl :/
03:50:15 <Gizmokid2005> it seems that way
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07:23:45 <kotoko> Can anyone provide some information on how to make the X_Portable.exe at the root of an application?
07:24:18 <kotoko> I have the App\X\bits dir in place.
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09:24:06 <Horusofoz> Suspected ilegal software post - http://portableapps.com/node/19654
09:28:45 <Horusofoz> Confirmed illegal status of the software after translating the blog post (Indonesian) linked to from post found a reference to a serial number. Also for members of that force thing that were trying to take down illegal portables here is the legitimate homepage for software is - http://www.webpage-maker.com/ - so that you can contact them about their software being hosted on the guys website
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13:11:05 <MaienM|Sleep> Freenode has decided to ban the use of mibbit of their network D:
13:11:06 <MaienM|Sleep> http://freenode.net/news.php
13:12:41 <Gizmokid2005> well, there goes a lot of users, which means our chat page needs to be changed, ASAP.
13:13:20 <Gizmokid2005> and I know TimClark uses it quite extensively, as do quite a few other users...they didn't say when today it was disabled though...
13:14:40 <MaienM|Sleep> I just tried, and it doesn't work anymore :(
13:16:47 <Gizmokid2005> me too
13:16:53 <Gizmokid2005> just says "Terminated"
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13:36:07 <JohnTHaller> hola
13:36:08 <MaienM|Sleep> hello JohnTHaller
13:36:23 <JohnTHaller> I switched our mibbit client to the new freenode one and it seems to be working fine.
13:36:26 <pa_5927> Hi guys - Horusofoz here just testing Freenode's embedded client thingy
13:36:28 <MaienM|Sleep> :)
13:36:38 <pa_5927> all good?
13:37:12 <JohnTHaller> yup, we're good.
13:37:24 <JohnTHaller> so no noticeable downtime of it from a client perspective
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13:37:40 <pa_5927> Not here
13:37:59 <MaienM|Sleep> yep :)
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13:39:43 <horusofoz> Owdy again all :)
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13:42:38 <Gizmokid2005> good one JohnTHaller :)
13:43:35 <horusofoz> JohnTHaller: Out of curiousity, what is the largest single donation made to PortableApps.com?
13:46:04 <horusofoz> $50? $100 USD?
13:46:27 <prapper> higher, higher :-)
13:47:06 <horusofoz> Roughly?
13:47:52 <horusofoz> 6.34786369999999999929e37 ?
13:48:06 <horusofoz> **$6.34786369999999999929e37
13:50:37 <JohnTHaller> i think it was $500. it was a couple years ago. i helped out a book publisher in bundling OpenOffice.org Portable on a CD
13:52:00 <horusofoz> Cool = ) Get many donations in that region or was that more of a spike overall?
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14:44:15 <Simeon> Hi All!
14:44:27 <Gizmokid2005> hello Simeon
14:44:37 <dbdii407> Long time no see.
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15:43:35 <davide_> Hi all
15:43:51 <davide_> what would it take to make a localized version of OpenOffice.org Portable?
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15:46:36 <Oni-Neoxes> Doesn't Openoffice.org come with language settings?
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15:49:58 <Gizmokid2005> Oni-Neoxes: I think so
15:51:08 <davide_> yes there are language settings but the only option is "English (USA)"
15:51:26 <davide_> for the User Interface
15:56:37 <JohnTHaller> davide_: what language do you need?
15:58:04 <davide_> apologize ... a better search lead me to: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/openoffice_portable/localization
15:58:13 <davide_> where I found the italia version
15:58:18 <davide_> where I found the italian version
15:58:40 <davide_> downloading and testing it right now
15:58:41 <davide_> tks
15:58:51 <JohnTHaller> Ok, good :-)
15:58:54 <davide_> :-)
16:00:29 <JohnTHaller> Anybody wanna see a screenshot of the next Updater release?
16:00:41 <Oni-Neoxes> sure
16:00:54 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterPreview.png
16:02:04 <Oni-Neoxes> Nice
16:02:27 <JohnTHaller> I'm simplifying it from the last release that Marko did and polishing the interface a bit.
16:02:33 <Gizmokid2005> looks good JohnTHaller :)
16:02:48 <Oni-Neoxes> Oh. PokerTH updated :D!
16:04:07 <Oni-Neoxes> http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-18_-_pokerth_portable_0.7#comment-121197
16:04:10 <Oni-Neoxes> lol at the comment
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16:26:35 <JohnTHaller> I can add apps, too, but I may wait to enable that: http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterAddPreview.png
16:27:29 <Oni-Neoxes> Win :D
16:27:48 <Gizmokid2005> that's cool JohnTHaller, may I add you should make it an option what you want to do? (update or install)?
16:28:55 <JohnTHaller> for right now it's update only. launched from the PA.c Platform (Help - Check for Updates).
16:29:41 <JohnTHaller> I may add a new option to Options - Get Apps (Updater)
16:31:37 <Oni-Neoxes> :p
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16:36:25 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
16:36:29 <Gizmokid2005> sounds good JohnTHaller :)
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16:37:46 <dbdii407> Well Zach's home. ;)
16:38:04 <ZachThibeau> *sigh* my router is failing
16:38:10 <ZachThibeau> dbdii407: I was home for a little while now
16:38:54 <dbdii407> ZachThibeau, Ouch. :x Well it's not like i can tell ya know. :P
16:39:24 <ZachThibeau> and even if I'm not on my client my znc is on so I can tell whats happening :P
16:39:56 <Bensawsome> lol
16:40:09 <dbdii407> ZachThibeau, http://scrapirc.com/screenshots/pidgin-xchat.png :D
16:40:54 <dbdii407> Eh. Gotta help sister. One second.
16:41:32 <ZachThibeau> frig it happened again
16:41:36 <ZachThibeau> and dbdii407 I already saw it :P
16:41:38 <ZachThibeau> znc ftw
16:42:12 <ZachThibeau> brb I need to check my router and possibly call my isp :/
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17:40:41 <PatrickPatience_> This freenode client is pretty decent.
17:41:07 <ZachThibeau> yes it is isn't it :)
17:42:10 <Bensawsome> lol
17:42:16 <Bensawsome> its betteah then mibbit :D
17:42:19 <PatrickPatience_> Kinda sketch, but it's better than pjirc.
17:42:52 <PatrickPatience_> I like the way they didn't want anyone, though. That was classy.
17:43:05 <Bensawsome> lol
17:43:09 <PatrickPatience_> *warn
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17:59:10 <Bensawsome> hey anyone know a good universal picture viewer? (preference order: oss/free/pay but I will take any suggestions)
17:59:28 <Bensawsome> preferably including animated pics >_>
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19:08:23 <alpha1beta> hey guys
19:08:50 <KyleG> sup a1b
19:09:08 <alpha1beta> new nick eh Siler?
19:09:25 <KyleG> lol ya
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19:09:51 <SrgSiler|AFK> bbl
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19:41:22 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://portableapps.com/node/19635#comment-121243
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19:45:03 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Yeah, I saw.
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19:49:02 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: looking like they aren't considering being foss eh?
19:51:34 <JohnTHaller> They're freeware with open source components. And protective of their trademark.
19:53:39 <Gizmokid2005> I can understand that.
19:53:42 <Gizmokid2005> I'm off, see ya later
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19:54:02 <Bensawsome> hey JohnTHaller how are ya?
19:56:15 <JohnTHaller> hangin in
19:56:18 <JohnTHaller> u?
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20:07:08 <Bensawsome> sorry JohnTHaller had to do something XD im good too :) and i got high honors for this quarter :D
20:08:27 <JohnTHaller> congrats
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20:08:44 <Bensawsome> ^_^ yes... i didnt think i would get it either;... XD
20:09:02 <Bensawsome> but that my senior year... im graduating on tuesday :D
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20:23:47 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: Can I ask you a quick question about the enviromental variable the menu sends for language support? I need to know what its called
20:24:06 <JohnTHaller> There are multiple ones
20:25:22 <OliverK> okay. Is there a place I can look to see them?
20:25:48 <JohnTHaller> check out the locale files in the menu's app\locale directory
20:26:23 <OliverK> awesome, thanks
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20:27:31 <OliverK> i have a working portable of zenmap :D
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20:48:30 <OliverK> is there a provision for when a launcher is does not have admin rights? The language file I have from 7-zip doesn't cover it
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20:58:09 <OliverK> nope, so never mind
21:03:32 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: what do you mean a proviision
21:04:48 <OliverK> I mad a launcher for Zenmap. If the user doesn't have pcap, I try to install it. But if you don't have admin rights, you can't install it and I need to terminate it. So what lang string should I use for that
21:05:28 <JohnTHaller> there isn't one for that. also for code, check out wireshark which does the same thing
21:06:37 <OliverK> got it.
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21:09:31 <OliverK> darn, I was hoping to release it today, maybe I'll still pull it off
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22:06:17 <wolfe.freenode.net> Users on #portableapps: palogbot ptmb|away Zarggg @KevinPorter RetLaw Espreon dbdii407 Suiseiseki prapper @JohnTHaller sar3th Twinkletoes|W abc528 +ZachThibeau +pabot Mir @Gizmokid2005 tarbo SrgSiler|ZNC Bensawsome StatBot inked
22:06:32 <ZachThibeau> well for 1 thing most plugins need for example python or perl installed by default to use them and I have yet to install those libraries on my computer to compile against them :P
22:07:20 <JohnTHaller> ah
22:09:15 <ZachThibeau> and the project file I used was from another fork which was also for visual studio which had plugins disabled by default so enabling is something to do since I imported it to codeblocks with mingw as my main compiler
22:09:57 <JohnTHaller> ah
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22:10:39 <ZachThibeau> I was surprised that the project file even would compile properly on mingw :D
22:11:21 <Bensawsome> ZachThibeau you should make it zchat :P
22:11:41 <ZachThibeau> nah I agree with John that it should be PChat
22:11:56 <Bensawsome> lol ya
22:12:05 <Bensawsome> oh ya and ZachThibeau can i test it?
22:12:16 <JohnTHaller> Or P-Chat. Thuogh technically it's XChat and not X-Chat
22:12:27 <Bensawsome> true
22:12:36 <ZachThibeau> after I fix somethings like adding an icon to the exe file Ben :P
22:12:39 <Bensawsome> hmmm P-Chat looks kinda wierd though :S
22:12:49 <Bensawsome> ok sounds good ZachThibeau ;)
22:12:58 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. That's why I vote for PChat.
22:13:03 * Bensawsome seconds
22:13:05 <Bensawsome> lol
22:14:05 <ZachThibeau> according to #xchat and on the xchat forums I'm one of the only people that attempted to compile xchat with mingw for sometime, some people used to do it but dropped it for visual studio
22:14:36 <JohnTHaller> backup that configuration you have
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22:15:00 <ZachThibeau> I saved the codeblocks project file and I'm making some compile instructions too
22:15:08 <ZachThibeau> like adding the gtk libs etc
22:16:52 <JohnTHaller> cool
22:17:09 <JohnTHaller> howdy KevinPorter. just noticed you there
22:17:33 <ZachThibeau> and possible show alternatives to compile it via CodeBlocksPortable and MingwPortable
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22:19:56 <ZachThibeau> also one of the changes I made was disable the built-in gtk system tray icon since that tends to crash both xchat silverex compile and in my build
22:25:37 <KevinPorter> Hi JohnTHaller. Sorry, was afk for a moment there.
22:26:12 <Gizmokid2005> oh, hello KevinPorter :)
22:26:29 <KevinPorter> Hello Gizmokid2005. :)
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22:28:12 <JohnTHaller> no worries. what's new with you KevinPorter
22:29:32 <KevinPorter> Not too much, just starting the first few weeks of summer break. :)
22:30:25 <Bensawsome> KevinPorter i haz a diploma!
22:30:29 <Bensawsome> or will on tuesday >_>
22:30:38 <KevinPorter> Ooo! Congrats. :)
22:31:01 <Bensawsome> yep ^_^
22:31:04 <Bensawsome> me is happeh
22:31:08 <ZachThibeau> High School Diploma's are overated :P wait till you graduate from college thats a different story :P
22:31:08 <Bensawsome> lol fail
22:31:17 <Bensawsome> ya true ZachThibeau
22:31:31 <Bensawsome> but without a high school one you cant really get a college one...
22:31:40 <ZachThibeau> true :P
22:31:49 <Bensawsome> lol
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22:34:38 <Bensawsome> OHAI SergentSiler
22:34:48 <AppGuy> Hez bak
22:36:47 <JohnTHaller> College is nothing compared to grade school!
22:36:58 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: :P
22:37:08 <Gizmokid2005> you mean high school is nothing compared to college ;)
22:37:40 <SergentSiler> ohai in Bensawsome
22:37:53 <ZachThibeau> Bensawsome: btw sql still fail
22:39:59 <ZachThibeau> ohh and another thing about my build I think I got it statically linked to gtk, I'm going to test it in a vm
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22:40:48 <ZachThibeau> where is neorame when you need him :P he could of designed an awesome icon for PChat
22:42:16 <SergentSiler> lol
22:42:38 <SergentSiler> he rarely pops in anywhere :P
22:42:41 <ZachThibeau> I'm good at making images in GIMP but not icons xD
22:42:44 <SergentSiler> lol
22:43:00 <SergentSiler> ZachThibeau, just make a big img and srink it and export it :P
22:43:13 <ZachThibeau> mine always looks horrible though D:
22:43:20 <ZachThibeau> when shrunk
22:43:29 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I've made some good progress with the updater... wanna see?
22:43:36 <ZachThibeau> yeah sure :D
22:44:24 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: definitely :D
22:45:19 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterPreview2.png
22:46:12 <Gizmokid2005> looks good JohnTHaller :)
22:46:19 <JohnTHaller> got everything fitting on the screen. polished it up. got the listview to be quite a big bigger. refined all the descriptions down so it's easy to follow, etc. working on some more functional bits now.
22:46:58 <Gizmokid2005> good JohnTHaller, is it going to be resizeable so the actual content stretches too?
22:47:47 <JohnTHaller> nope. but it doesn't need to be. it'll all fit really well in that window
22:47:54 <sar3th> wow, that looks really great
22:48:50 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
22:48:50 <Gizmokid2005> k
22:49:02 <Gizmokid2005> it does look good, I just tend to stretch things, so I don't have to scoll
22:49:40 <JohnTHaller> When updating, you usually won't have to scroll since it'll fit 12 apps without scrolling due to the tweaks I did (it only did like 8 before)
22:49:58 <JohnTHaller> And it looks a little different when adding new apps: http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterAddPreview2.png
22:51:09 <JohnTHaller> I'm thinking that when users do a platform-only install, it'll bring up the updater in add new software mode on first run, which essentially means you can build-your-own suite :-)
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22:52:54 <JohnTHaller> No comments?
22:53:06 <SergentSiler> it looks good
22:53:13 <SergentSiler> very good
22:53:24 <ZachThibeau> yeah much nicely organized goodness :)
22:55:16 <JohnTHaller> I think so. I've been tweaking it a lot today. I decided to ditch the local version listing (since most users won't really care what version they're upgrading from), compacted the descriptions, added some math to get the downloads in MB instead of bytes, added logic for the small ones (<1 MB). Now I'm adding in the ability to use other download servers and stuff. I'm moving the config to INI editting since the config screen
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23:05:31 <Jeth> hey, I have a quick question about the PortableApps Platform
23:06:32 <JohnTHaller> how can we help you Jeth?
23:06:50 <Jeth> can it be set somehow to auto run when the USB stick is inserted?
23:09:15 <JohnTHaller> yes and no. it sets up an autorun.inf for you by default which will cause Windows to offer to run it on insertion. Windows purposely will not autorun from flash drive for security reasons and even autorun.inf is disabled on Windows 7.
23:10:12 <Jeth> interesting....I don't get any "do you want to run PortableApps" messages
23:11:22 <Jeth> Well, I'm on XP, so it should work at least somehow
23:11:40 <JohnTHaller> Your PC may have it disabled
23:11:45 <Gizmokid2005> Jeth: I've had some installs of XP that just won't allow autorun for whatever reason
23:12:00 <JohnTHaller> This can fix it: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C680A7B6-E8FA-45C4-A171-1B389CFACDAD&displaylang=en
23:12:01 <Gizmokid2005> I tried using every auto-run enabling tool out there and never got it to work.
23:12:33 <JohnTHaller> A very small minority of drives will appear as hard drives to windows and may not show it, though (usually generic drives)
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23:13:28 <Jeth> Autorun is not disabled, I do know that for certain because I get "What do you want Windows to do" dialog boxes when I insert USB flashdrives
23:13:50 <JohnTHaller> Ah, it may just be ignoring the autorun. Did you install PortableApps.com to the root directory?
23:14:04 <Jeth> I found the autorun.inf, it was inside a folder on the flashdrive
23:14:15 <Jeth> maybe move it out so that it is not in any folder?
23:14:22 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, if you install to a folder, it won't work. It's designed to run from the root.
23:14:47 <Jeth> actually, it works fine, you just have to manually start it. :P
23:14:50 <JohnTHaller> It'll look for your portableapps directory at X:\PortableApps. So if you installed to X:\SomeRandomDirectory\PortableApps, it won't work.
23:15:07 <JohnTHaller> No, I mean autorun won't work, even if you move the autorun.inf.
23:15:22 <JohnTHaller> You can manually edit it and point it to the right place, though (using Notepad or similar).
23:15:27 <Jeth> I put it in H:\PortableApps
23:15:49 <JohnTHaller> So is there an H:\PortableApps\autorun.inf?
23:16:20 <Jeth> yes
23:16:24 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it's supposed to be installed to H:\. It creates the PortableApps and Documents folder and sets up the autorun.inf for you then.
23:16:44 <JohnTHaller> And then in the PortableApps.com Installers can automatically find it. If you install it in a folder, they can't.
23:16:59 <Jeth> which is what it did....hmmm....maybe I'm simply missing it when the autorun pops up...
23:17:39 <Jeth> one second, let me take it out and put it back in
23:17:52 <JohnTHaller> No, if you have H:\PortableApps\autorun.inf that means you installed it to H:\PortableApps instead of H:\. So you have Firefox probably at H:\PortableApps\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable, probably.
23:18:48 <Jeth> exactly what I was thinking...I need to move the autorun.inf so that it is H:\autorun.inf
23:19:26 <Jeth> correct?
23:19:59 <JohnTHaller> Look in H:\PortableApps. Within that, do you see a PortableApps and Documents folder as well as a StartPortableApps.exe and autorun.inf file?
23:20:19 <Jeth> yes
23:20:42 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, you installed it to the wrong place. It's supposed to be installed to H:\. Those for things should be in the root directory.
23:20:50 <JohnTHaller> those four things, I mean
23:21:13 <JohnTHaller> You can just move them and that should get it all sorted. And then the installers for new apps will automatically find your PortableApps.com install.
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23:21:51 <Jeth> ah, I see. I typically have stuff sitting in the root directory, so I didn't want PA's operating files to make it a bigger mess than it already was
23:22:14 <Jeth> So I put it in it's own special folder
23:22:29 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I understand. And the current platform/suite installer isn't as clear where you should install (which is being fixed in the next version). So it's not an uncommon problem.
23:22:52 <Jeth> Shot myself in the foot, didn't I? XD
23:22:55 <Jeth> LOL
23:23:08 <JohnTHaller> Hehe, not really. You can just move those four to the root and it should all work.
23:23:34 <JohnTHaller> There are a couple apps (I think 2 maybe) that may forget your most recently used files or a couple other minor settings, but nothing inconvenient.
23:24:20 <Jeth> Well, to test it......I'll want to remove and reinsert the USB to see the glorious autorun function....except my silly self used Firefox Portable to do this chat...
23:24:48 <JohnTHaller> no worries, someone will be here when you get back
23:25:04 <Jeth> I'll disappear and be right back in two seconds....
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23:25:36 <Oni-Neoxes> JohnTHaller: I just saw that so I had this ready. http://i44.tinypic.com/24l26n6.jpg
23:25:39 <Oni-Neoxes> Too late now :p
23:25:57 <JohnTHaller> heh, no worrie
23:25:58 <dbdii407> JohnTHaller, Have you changed the support Web client on the PortableApps page yet?
23:26:11 <JohnTHaller> did this morning, which is how he was able to be here
23:26:12 <Gizmokid2005> dbdii407: pay attention, it was done this morning :P
23:26:28 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: is on top of things :D
23:26:34 <dbdii407> Gizmokid2005, I'm barely here in the morning. :/
23:26:35 <Oni-Neoxes> dbdii407: Bad Dave XD
23:26:52 <JohnTHaller> Even configged it to be really close to mibbit in layout and default name: http://portableapps.com/support/chat/live
23:26:54 <dbdii407> Excuse me for asking. :(
23:26:55 <Oni-Neoxes> I hope Freenode can run on my Nintendo Wii
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23:27:22 <Gizmokid2005> dbdii407: wasn't chastizing you, just giving you a playful hard time :D
23:27:31 <dbdii407> Gizmokid2005, Lol. Np. ;)
23:27:50 <Oni-Neoxes> "Playful Hard Time" I would have never thought of that
23:27:52 <Gizmokid2005> anywho, Fiancee wants to treat me to dinner tonight, so it's time for me to take off
23:28:14 <Jeth> Hey, back
23:28:15 <Gizmokid2005> lol
23:28:19 <Gizmokid2005> thanks Oni-Neoxes
23:28:20 <Oni-Neoxes> Gizmokid2005: Nice.
23:28:21 <Gizmokid2005> see ya all
23:28:25 <Oni-Neoxes> see ya
23:28:29 <Oni-Neoxes> Welcome back Jeth
23:28:43 <JohnTHaller> Workin?
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23:28:58 <Jeth> just did the move and took it out, about to put it back in
23:30:11 <Jeth> what the heck? alrighty....won't let me take it out...
23:30:26 <Jeth> *looks through running processes*
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23:31:42 <JohnTHaller> odd
23:32:37 <Jeth> actually, not. Just a program that's having a hard time quitting. ;)
23:38:21 <Oni-Neoxes> I should really learn how to do portableapps...
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23:40:23 <pa_6349> hey guys
23:40:28 <pa_6349> i got a question
23:41:03 <Jeth> Shoot. These guys are very helpful. ;)
23:41:05 <Oni-Neoxes> What seems to be the problem? pa_6349
23:41:17 <Jeth> Btw, it works perfectly, just confirmed.
23:41:32 <pa_6349> okay. i just put gimp portable on another usb drive w/o portable apps
23:41:51 <pa_6349> and i went in and tried to start the program but it gave me an error message
23:41:59 <Jeth> PortableApps is shown in the Windows autorun dialog box, I clicked it, and it ran. :P
23:42:01 <Oni-Neoxes> what all did you copy?
23:42:14 <Oni-Neoxes> Jeth: That's good to hear.
23:42:33 <pa_6349> just the gimp folder. i got the gimp straight from this web site and just transferred it to another usb
23:42:41 <Jeth> Now I'm running programs from both U3 and PortableApps. =)
23:43:20 <Oni-Neoxes> is the folder called Gimp Portable?
23:43:27 <pa_6349> yeah
23:43:39 <pa_6349> its not running from either usb by the way
23:43:48 <Oni-Neoxes> What's the error message?
23:43:49 <pa_6349> the error message says
23:44:01 <pa_6349> gimp-2.6.exe has stopped working
23:44:21 <pa_6349> windows is checking for a solution
23:44:43 <Oni-Neoxes> What is your Windows Operating System?
23:45:00 <pa_6349> ...a problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available
23:45:08 <pa_6349> vista
23:45:22 <pa_6349> stupid, crappy vista
23:45:38 <Jeth> Well, problem solved, so I'll be leaving now. Thanks everyone for their help. *thumbs up*
23:46:00 <Oni-Neoxes> No Problem Jeth.
23:46:06 <pa_6349> ?
23:46:24 <Oni-Neoxes> I'm still researching what's wrong
23:46:35 <pa_6349> okay. thanks
23:48:36 <Oni-Neoxes> pa_6349 can you try a fresh install of Gimp Portable.
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23:48:42 <Oni-Neoxes> seems like something didn't copy right
23:48:54 <pa_6349> really?
23:48:56 <pa_6349> hmmm.
23:49:21 <pa_6349> i'll try re-downloading it
23:49:24 <Oni-Neoxes> http://portableapps.com/apps/graphics_pictures/gimp_portable
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23:49:33 <Oni-Neoxes> Nevermind >.>
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23:50:27 <pa_1134> hey i was just in here and accidentally closed it. srry. re-downloading gimp now...
23:50:40 <Oni-Neoxes> ok
23:52:28 <pa_1134> hey i got an error when i clicked download...
23:52:54 <Oni-Neoxes> hmm?
23:52:57 <pa_1134> says my usb is a drive unavailable
23:53:17 <pa_1134> one second...
23:53:19 <Oni-Neoxes> huh. That might be the problem.
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23:55:25 <pa_1134> okay. knocked out the downloading issue. now downloading gimp...
23:56:51 <pa_1134> download complete. now installing...