IRC Log from 2009-06-22

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00:19:21 <JohnTHaller> hola
00:20:01 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
00:22:08 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
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00:23:47 <pa_8211> JohnTHaller: spam http://portableapps.com/node/19675
00:24:33 <JohnTHaller> got it thanks
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00:24:53 <JohnTHaller> we'll have a few here and there. our captcha on account signups was offline for about 20 hours
00:29:28 <ZachThibeau> fun
00:29:56 <ZachThibeau> outages are a pain to handle with
00:30:16 <ZachThibeau> especially if you have a large database
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01:00:41 <Mir> what DVD ripper do you guys use?
01:08:04 <ZachThibeau> mencoder
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01:11:33 <Mir> doesnt that come with SMplayer now?
01:24:50 <ZachThibeau> not that I know of
01:30:46 <Mir> well its what mobi uses
01:30:55 <Mir> and mediacoder
01:30:58 <Mir> :(
01:31:09 <Mir> handbreak uses libdvdcss
01:31:48 <ZachThibeau> mencoder has libdvdcss when compiled with it
01:32:01 <ZachThibeau> I prefer using mencoder straight commandline :)
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01:45:30 <Mir> i dont know how
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01:54:03 <Mir> going to try DVD43
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02:13:06 <Mir> DVD43 seems to be working :)
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02:23:47 <Bensawsome> orly?
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02:34:42 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> daBomb69: you really need to take care of that. The constant joins/parts have to stop.
02:35:58 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005|AFK: Sorry, bad connection
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02:36:44 <Gizmokid2005> please turn off auto-join until you fix the issues :) you should see my scrollback and the logs
02:37:00 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005: he's on an ipod
02:37:02 <ZachThibeau> :P
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02:44:06 <Bensawsome> OMG guys EPIC: http://lifehacker.com/5297193/the-halo-3-hud-desktop
02:44:40 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005: I don't know how to turn it off :(
02:44:51 <Bensawsome> wow daBomb69 fail :P
02:45:12 <daBomb69> Bensawsome: This client is stupid
02:45:15 <Bensawsome> anywho tons of people do that why are we caring now? its something some people cant avoid...
02:45:32 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: irchon?
02:45:54 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005: Colloquy for iPod touch/iPhone
02:46:46 <Bensawsome> ya i hope i can find a good irc client for the touch :/
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02:51:20 <daBomb69> Ya Bensawsome colloquy is great, if u have a decent connection
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02:53:58 <daBomb69> WOW my connection fails so epically
02:54:53 <Bensawsome> hopefully more apps will integrate the background stuff now :D
02:55:07 <daBomb69> Bensawsome: What? By stuff?
02:55:16 <Bensawsome> ....
02:55:21 <Bensawsome> you dont know?
02:55:34 <Bensawsome> iphone os 3 has the ability to do background procesoes now
02:55:37 <Bensawsome> errr well
02:55:43 <Bensawsome> not the actual iphone
02:55:52 <Bensawsome> but apple has a server
02:56:02 <Bensawsome> ok one sec im not gonna explain it to you
02:56:12 <daBomb69> Oh, sweet?
02:57:08 <Bensawsome> grrrr where is it...
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03:06:44 <mibuser> daBomb69: please leave the channel until you get a stable connection, this is getting rediculos
03:07:45 <daBomb69> Ok, see u in 2 weeks
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03:09:04 <daBomb69> WTF
03:09:34 <daBomb69> Bensawsome: /notice me
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04:15:39 <Whibo> .def :( pabot is dead
04:15:39 <GizmoBot> Whibo: Def manipulation is only allowed in #gizmokid2005
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04:17:59 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com and the last Timelord
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04:22:12 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com and the last Timelord
04:24:54 <Whibo> .def Gizmokid2005|AFK
04:24:54 <GizmoBot> Whibo: Sorry, but I don't know about Gizmokid2005|AFK
04:25:05 <Whibo> .def Gizmokid2005
04:25:05 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is the engaged man - who'll be the married man on 3/20/10!
04:25:37 <Whibo> .def GizmoBot
04:25:37 <GizmoBot> GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005.
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05:49:17 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is
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06:15:57 <ChrisMorgan> Hey upnPAD
06:27:05 <upnPAD> yo ChrisMorgan
06:27:07 <upnPAD> hows life
06:27:24 <ChrisMorgan> Fine :-)
06:27:42 * ChrisMorgan is waiting for his laptop to arrive :-)
06:32:42 <upnPAD> ;o
06:32:45 <upnPAD> a good one?
06:35:04 <ChrisMorgan> A this one (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330337548413)
06:41:28 <ChrisMorgan> Ah... finally got a decent motif for ChatZilla. I'll keep using ChatZilla now I can bear to look at it.
06:42:33 <ChrisMorgan> In case you're wondering... http://chatzilla.rdmsoft.com/motifs/css/output-rdmsoft.css
06:42:48 <ChrisMorgan> Finally I found a /plain/ one.
06:43:02 * ChrisMorgan will shut up now :P
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09:27:47 <GizmoBot> MaienM is teh awesome!!
09:40:43 <Davide> Hi all .... I am new to PortableApps and trying to understand so I apologize if my questions are faq
09:40:54 <Davide> I have to tell a customer how much effort it takes to make some apps portable; the customer hasn't told me yet the list of apps so I am trying to understand how PortableApps works looking at existing apps.
09:41:21 <Davide> First question: if a program writes its settings only to the registry is there any way to make this settings portable? My guess would be that you can make a program and its settings portable only if you can run the program with a parameter that tells it to store the settings somewhere on the filesystem...
09:46:00 <ChrisMorgan|away> Davide: take a look at the launchers for 7-Zip, WinMerge and FileZilla Portable.
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09:46:47 <ChrisMorgan> They all use the registry; 7-Zip and WinMerge use the registry exclusively, for FileZilla it's just PuTTY integration, and it also changes an environment variable.
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09:47:39 <ChrisMorgan> Just curious though, what are you doing which involves advising a customer about portable applications?
09:48:07 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, in case you don't know, the launchers are in Other\Source\AppNamePortable.nsi, NSIS code.
09:49:52 <ChrisMorgan> I'm about to be going back and reading another Bible reading with our family
09:56:56 <ChrisMorgan> When I go away, I'll probably be gone for 15-30 minutes, reading Isaiah 46-47 if you care :-)
09:57:54 <ChrisMorgan> Oh goody, we may be able to go back to Mibbit some time soon for the live support chat - http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=327
09:59:00 <MaienM> :)
10:01:06 <ChrisMorgan> I'm adding a feature request for it so that it will still work with no Java and Flash (redirect to the 'orrible freenode one)
10:06:56 <ChrisMorgan> http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=327#comment-5868
10:07:08 <ChrisMorgan> Davide: are you there?
10:07:41 <MaienM> I don't see no comments there ChrisMorgan :P
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10:07:56 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, comment moderation... *sigh*
10:08:12 <MaienM> oh :P
10:08:16 <ChrisMorgan> /I/ see it there...
10:08:45 <ChrisMorgan> Wonky. I can't write "//I/ see it there..." in ChatZilla, it says 'Unknown command "/I/".'
10:09:02 <MaienM> :(
10:09:10 <MaienM> chatzilla failure :P
10:09:28 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, don't really like it terribly much but it's better than Pidgin or XChat.
10:09:45 * ChrisMorgan mourns for the Freenode/Mibbit blowup...
10:10:07 <ChrisMorgan> Or rather, the anti-Mibbit Freenode blowup
10:10:22 <MaienM> better then xchat :O
10:10:31 <MaienM> wait, you are on windows right?
10:10:48 <MaienM> I agree then, xchat on windows is absolute failure :(
10:11:08 <ChrisMorgan> I am currently on Windows.
10:11:39 <ChrisMorgan> God willing, as of Wednesday I can flee Windows... my laptop which I bought on eBay is due on Wednesday :D
10:11:47 <MaienM> :D
10:12:05 <ChrisMorgan> I'm still wondering though whether to go with:
10:12:15 <ChrisMorgan> a) dual boot Vista Business and Ubuntu
10:12:26 <ChrisMorgan> b) Vista Business and VirtualBox/Ubuntu
10:12:35 <ChrisMorgan> c) Vista Business and andLinux
10:12:48 <ChrisMorgan> Or possibly some combination...
10:12:54 <MaienM> I'd go for ubuntu, and I'd prefer dualboot over virtualbox
10:12:59 <MaienM> so I vote A :P
10:13:11 <ChrisMorgan> The "traditional" option
10:13:22 <MaienM> I'd personally go with Ubuntu and Virtualbox/Vista :p
10:13:31 <MaienM> thats what I use for my home pc
10:13:33 <ChrisMorgan> Too many problems with that.
10:13:42 <MaienM> but then again, for a laptop I might not....
10:13:45 <ChrisMorgan> Laptops generally don't work with that terribly well.
10:13:49 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah
10:13:56 <MaienM> I never really reboot my home pc so that is the best option for me
10:13:58 <ChrisMorgan> The OS is tied in with the hardware too well.
10:14:51 <ChrisMorgan> Ideally, I could dual boot it all, and then use andLinux to run Linux inside Windows, and VirtualBox/VMware Player to run Windows inside Linux
10:15:30 <ChrisMorgan> VMware Player is capable of doing it (boot a VM from another partition on the disk), not sure about VirtualBox.
10:15:31 <MaienM> that sounds kinda messy tho :P
10:15:40 <ChrisMorgan> Well yes, but ah well :P
10:15:45 <MaienM> virtualbox is not, afaik :(
10:15:49 <ChrisMorgan> Davide: you there?
10:16:13 <MaienM> well, I'm gonna make myself some food
10:26:32 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: it can be done, but messy and upgrades are likely to break things: http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/Dual_boot_system. Don't think I'll try it.
10:27:35 <ChrisMorgan> ok, bbs
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10:27:54 <Horusofoz> Hi Guys :)
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10:42:04 <ChrisMorgan> Hi Horusofoz
10:42:28 <ChrisMorgan> How goes it?
10:42:30 <Horusofoz> How goes it?
10:42:34 <Horusofoz> :) lol
10:42:59 <Horusofoz> Working on a module for my diploma and ill here
10:43:04 <Horusofoz> At your end?
10:47:39 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: At your end?
10:48:08 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, fine. My notebook is due to arrive Wednesday, then I can start playing :-)
10:48:13 <ChrisMorgan> s/playing/working/
10:48:15 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
10:48:54 <Horusofoz> :-)
10:49:45 <Horusofoz> Good to hear
10:50:11 <Horusofoz> Any insider info on what's going on with PA?
10:50:32 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... nah, not really.
10:51:17 <ChrisMorgan> What /should/ I be doing?
10:51:35 <Horusofoz> Aptana : p
10:52:00 <Horusofoz> Nah actually how would you compare Aptana and Notepad++?
10:52:38 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't: I don't use Notepad++ for anything really and I've never used Aptana.
10:52:48 <ChrisMorgan> Ask me in about three days and I might be able to tell you.
10:52:57 <Horusofoz> How so?
10:53:16 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just looking forward to being able to test Quanta Plus (a KDE/Linux app)
10:53:36 <ChrisMorgan> How so? I'll be able to install programs, work on a decent speed computer, etc.
10:53:40 <Horusofoz> Using a virtualbox or dual booting?
10:54:31 <Horusofoz> Kubuntu?
10:54:40 <ChrisMorgan> FYI, there's another option: coLinux
10:56:06 <MaienM> aptana? never heard of it before.... I use gedit myself :P
10:56:21 <Horusofoz> k looks alright but personally I'm looking forward to VB3 :)
10:56:44 <ChrisMorgan> VB3?
10:56:54 <Horusofoz> VirtualBox 3 :D
10:57:00 <MaienM> damn, seems my stomach didn't like the bacon :(
10:57:20 <ChrisMorgan> Incidentally, I'd prefer Ubuntu + KDE packages to kubuntu, so I can have the best of both worlds :-)
10:57:29 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: language...
10:57:36 <ChrisMorgan> Feel better though
10:58:34 <MaienM> ChrisMorgan: sorry, but even when I try sometimes things slip through.... I don't even think of "damn" as bad :P
10:58:55 <ChrisMorgan> MEEP!
10:59:00 <Horusofoz> I;am surprised that as an Australian you'd consider that bad language : D
10:59:01 <MaienM> and yeah, I hope I will.... its about time I do :(
10:59:47 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: I'm not like most Australians in that regards...
11:00:06 <Horusofoz> What did you think when Rudd said s**t storm on national telly a couple weeks back?
11:00:08 <Horusofoz> :D
11:00:28 <Horusofoz> sorry I guess I'm being immature
11:00:29 <ChrisMorgan> I didn't hear anything about it. Now please stop talking like that, all of you.
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11:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: am I meant to agree?
11:01:09 <Horusofoz> No just I realised I was being so and wanted to apologise. A statement.
11:01:21 <Horusofoz> now like you said lets drop it
11:01:25 <ChrisMorgan> OK :-)
11:01:30 <MaienM> :)
11:01:50 <MaienM> well, to get back on subject, whats aptana Horusofoz? :P
11:02:09 <Horusofoz> MaienM: A web editor a friend recommened to me
11:02:11 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: text editor
11:02:22 <ChrisMorgan> Not just web stuff, though mostly so
11:02:32 <ChrisMorgan> A very good one, I understand.
11:02:36 <Horusofoz> She said the big plus was that it had auto close tags but I figured how to do that with NP++
11:02:38 <MaienM> it seems to be commercial
11:02:43 <MaienM> and eclipse-based :P
11:02:52 <Horusofoz> No
11:02:56 <ChrisMorgan> No, and no.
11:03:08 <Horusofoz> it can be a plugin for Eclipse but it is actually stand alone originally
11:03:10 <ChrisMorgan> Well, partially for the first accusation: they offer commercial services.
11:04:38 <Horusofoz> But that is a hosting service rather than anything that Aptana Studio relies on
11:04:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah
11:04:53 <Horusofoz> So no crippleware type thing
11:04:56 <ChrisMorgan> Ahh... won't it be nice being able to use a modern version of TortoiseSVN rather than a 1.4.x version...
11:04:56 <MaienM> guess I'll just try it out then :P
11:05:39 <ChrisMorgan> Good idea :-)
11:06:25 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: You might be interested in the news item that an Aptana 1.5 alpha is out :-)
11:08:22 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: How does the KDE packages in Ubuntu work?
11:08:56 <MaienM> I really need to learn how to use eclipse :P
11:09:10 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: the easy way: you select a KDE-dependant package, it installs all the KDE packages it needs.
11:09:32 <ChrisMorgan> Or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
11:09:50 <ChrisMorgan> * https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
11:17:23 <ChrisMorgan> Davide: are you there?
11:22:27 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well, I think I'm just going to have to give up on you Davide. I hope I answered your question satisfactorily.
11:23:09 <ChrisMorgan> I'm a-gonna have a nice very early night now, bye guys... and also Mum needs this computer :P One of the reasons why a laptop of my own will be nice :P
11:24:03 * MaienM has his own pc ;P
11:24:17 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: shh :P
11:25:01 <MaienM> :P
11:25:08 <Horusofoz> quick thing
11:25:37 <Horusofoz> tomorrow I realised you probably should put a link to the Java portabilizer on SH3D and GP
11:25:37 <ChrisMorgan> yes?
11:25:48 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... probably.
11:26:31 <ChrisMorgan> Might squeeze that in now.
11:26:40 <Horusofoz> sweet :)
11:26:56 <ChrisMorgan> s/:)/Home 3D/
11:27:03 <ChrisMorgan> * s/:\)/Home 3D/
11:27:17 <Horusofoz> ?? wa wha?
11:27:23 <ChrisMorgan> Should go in the launcher too, open a web browser to http://portableapps.com/support/openoffice_portable#java or similar
11:27:43 <ChrisMorgan> Had to escape the ) :P
11:32:26 <Horusofoz> MaienM: Any news on what happening with The Mana World
11:32:38 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: Sorry but still don't get it?
11:33:05 <MaienM> still need to release the portable version of 0.0.29.1..... guess I'll get started on that now :P
11:33:07 <ChrisMorgan> I was replacing your :) with "Home 3D", as in "Sweet Home 3D"
11:34:05 <Horusofoz> MaienM: Sweet. I came across a real.. Jerk on TMW the other day. Do they have any mods on that?
11:34:18 <MaienM> yeah, they have some GM's
11:34:26 <MaienM> #tmw ;)
11:34:28 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: Sweet again then : D
11:34:30 <MaienM> ehm
11:34:31 <MaienM> #themanaworld
11:34:37 <ChrisMorgan> :P
11:35:16 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: http://portableapps.com/node/19363, http://portableapps.com/node/19377
11:35:30 <ChrisMorgan> Same message in both
11:36:09 <Horusofoz> Cheers :)
11:37:09 <Horusofoz> MaienM: Not planning on dobbing the guy in but thinking about whther they monitor the chats because in truth I retaliated to the guys talk
11:37:16 <ChrisMorgan> OK, goodnight for real this time.
11:37:30 <ChrisMorgan> My four minutes I cited three minutes ago is unsurprisingly running out :P
11:37:32 <Horusofoz> ciao
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11:37:59 <MaienM> not sure whether they do..... ask em I'd say :P
11:39:22 <Horusofoz> MaienM: Have you considered a launcher for Runescape or a freewaew MMO?
11:39:47 <MaienM> not really..... freeware is kinda grey-zone for pa.c atm
11:40:15 <Horusofoz> That's why I specified a launcher :p
11:51:47 <MaienM> hmm.... haven't really thought about it before.....
11:57:10 <Horusofoz> Well its an idea
11:57:22 <Horusofoz> Have you played it b4?
11:57:44 <MaienM> rs? yeah, ofc I did :P
11:57:48 <MaienM> when I was younger
11:58:00 <Horusofoz> how old is the game?
11:58:12 <Horusofoz> I thought it was relatively new
11:58:19 <MaienM> 10 years or something like that?
11:58:22 <Horusofoz> woah
11:58:24 <MaienM> at least 6+ years
11:58:36 <Horusofoz> Didn't think there had been MMORPG's for that long
11:58:41 <MaienM> lol
11:58:47 <MaienM> .wik Runescape
11:58:49 <GizmoBot> "RuneScape is a Java-based Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (MMORPG) operated by Jagex Ltd. It is a graphical browser game incorporating 3D rendering." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runescape
11:59:17 <MaienM> first version was 2001 :P
11:59:23 <MaienM> so 8.5 years :P
12:01:38 <Horusofoz> How about Last Chaos?
12:02:22 <MaienM> .g Last Chaos
12:02:23 <GizmoBot> MaienM: http://lastchaos.aeriagames.com/
12:02:39 <MaienM> nope, never played that :P
12:05:34 <Horusofoz> How about Runes of magic - Just looking at a few diff games now and this one rates gigh
12:05:37 <Horusofoz> **high
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12:08:01 <MaienM> looking at that website.... it looks pretty damn similiar to WoW's site :P
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12:08:56 <GizmoBot> sar3th says hello to everyone!
12:09:03 <Horusofoz> Howdy
12:09:18 <sar3th> heya :)
12:09:26 <Horusofoz> Current discussion is free MMORPG's. You have any preferences?
12:09:58 <sar3th> nope, i don't play MMORPGs so i have no knowledge about that
12:10:00 <MaienM> RELEASE: TMWPortable 0.0.29.1 Pre-Release 7: http://portableapps.com/node/18809
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12:11:47 <Horusofoz> http://portableapps.com/node/18809#comment-121328
12:11:58 <sar3th> any pascal/delphi coders here?
12:12:09 <MaienM> yw Horusofoz ;P
12:12:21 <Horusofoz> Also confirming both links are working : )
12:12:23 <MaienM> sorry, not me sar3th :(
12:12:28 <Horusofoz> nope
12:12:46 <MaienM> heh, I always check them myself too, but thanks for confirming Horusofoz :)
12:22:16 <Horusofoz> Confirmation of successful upgrade andplay
12:23:34 <MaienM> :)
12:28:40 <sar3th> YAY i solved my threaded xml problem :)
12:30:56 <Horusofoz> please elaborate
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13:05:36 <sar3th> i tried to parse a xml document in a seperate thread, to download files from the internet without corrupting my main programming logic..the xmlparser needs several modifications to work in a seperate thread..i had a hard time figuring out which ones exactly, but now i managed it :)
13:05:43 <sar3th> was afk btw, sorry
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13:36:03 <pa_2770> Hi
13:36:14 <pa_2770> I need some help
13:36:15 <Horusofoz> Hey
13:36:34 <Horusofoz> happy to help
13:36:49 <pa_2770> What is a Licensor?
13:37:31 <Horusofoz> In what context?
13:39:02 <Horusofoz> licensor n. a person who gives another a license, particularly a private party doing so, such as a business giving someone a license to sell its product. - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/licensor
13:39:14 <pa_2770> I am reading a Software License Agreement is it saying Licensor has the right to charge any fees
13:39:54 <Horusofoz> Is the license online?
13:40:42 <pa_2770> in the software and a website
13:41:01 <pa_2770> it is saying
13:41:23 <Horusofoz> Sorry that goes beyond my understanding. Can you tell us the anem of the software and we may be able to figure out the issue from there
13:41:58 <pa_2770> be right back
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13:42:44 <pa_4953> I am back.
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13:45:56 <pa_4953> It is like this. I did wanna use a software called ManyCam with Amsn Messenger for the Video FX. It saying that is free. But the fine print is saying another thing.
13:46:33 <pa_4953> I did read the terms of use link
13:47:11 <pa_4953> Maybe I did understand it wrong
13:47:54 <pa_4953> I always read the terms of use
13:48:07 <Horusofoz> I am not sure but I suspect it's a clause they've included for if they choose to charde for the service in the future. However I am not sure. To be safe just be sure not to include any bank details.
13:48:38 <Horusofoz> Apologies that this is the only advice I can offer, normally there are more legally minded inhabitants here
13:49:23 <pa_4953> Shit. Better not use it. Because I did here about the software on youtube
13:49:43 <pa_4953> sorry for my langusage
13:49:52 <pa_4953> langsage
13:50:12 <pa_4953> talk
13:50:46 <Horusofoz> It's ok just please try to contain it
13:51:57 <pa_4953> I am not gonna use it. It is to unsafe. And I really suck on Computers. I mean REALLY. that is why I use use PortableApps
13:52:37 <pa_4953> I am trying But I was just freakout about that software
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13:53:02 <sar3th> i don't think you suck about software, actually you DID read the terms of use...most people don't do that
13:54:10 <pa_4953> Thanks. Because many people make fun of me becuase of it
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13:54:40 <pa_4953> But better ro be safe the sorry
13:54:59 <Horusofoz> Exactly
13:55:05 <sar3th> yep, better safe than sorry :)
13:55:30 <Horusofoz> Now if only Microsoft would think similarly and sell Windows 7 for a song :)
13:56:32 <pa_4953> But are the terms of use website safe?
13:56:48 <pa_4953> I am gonna a new user
13:56:53 <pa_4953> kinda
13:57:04 <pa_4953> I am kinda a new user
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13:57:40 <pa_6285> Click by a mistake
13:58:03 <MaienM> I don't think they can just decide to start charging you without prior notice/consent
13:58:34 <pa_6285> Thanks. Good to no
13:58:37 <pa_6285> know
13:58:57 <pa_6285> I am gonna go now
13:59:07 <pa_6285> Thanks for your hepl
13:59:10 <pa_6285> help
13:59:13 <Horusofoz> Welcome
13:59:19 <MaienM> if you're worried about it, it might be good to check their website regulary to see if it is still free
13:59:21 <MaienM> yw :)
13:59:56 <pa_6285> I did not think about that. I am gonna do that right now
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14:01:17 <Horusofoz> see y'all
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16:02:49 <JacobMastel> Wow that's a lot of Gizmo's....
16:03:01 <Gizmokid|Mac> lol, it is. Only three though :)
16:03:33 <MaienM> and one of em is the bot, so that doesn't really count :P
16:03:56 <Gizmokid|Mac> exactly
16:04:09 <MaienM> altho Gizmo* is totally dominating the userlist top atm :P
16:04:28 <Gizmokid|Mac> :)
16:04:53 <JacobMastel> I guess I should have put a ;P
16:04:57 <JacobMastel> The more the better right?
16:05:39 <Gizmokid|Mac> that's right JacobMastel :)
16:05:48 <MaienM> the more the merrier ;P
16:06:20 <JacobMastel> I bet a psychyotrist could make money off your multiple personallity disorder :P
16:06:30 * JacobMastel knows that's spelled wrong :/
16:06:49 <Gizmokid|Mac> lol
16:06:55 <Gizmokid|Mac> *psychiatrist* and *personality*
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16:53:49 <Mir> they made money off of me :)
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16:54:12 * Mir at one point was visitning 4 of them
16:54:17 <Mir> :o
16:54:24 <Mir> didnt help much
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17:41:11 <MaienM> eh.... :/
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17:44:16 <MaienM> silly me, I should remember to close xchat on my mums laptop instead of just closing the lid :P
17:44:21 <MaienM> else I get stuff like that xD
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17:51:17 <andreasma> hi
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18:34:41 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
18:34:41 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
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18:58:40 <PaddiPashizzle> Too much gizmo.
18:58:59 <PaddiPashizzle> I'm back for the summer... once I find out what server my BNC is on.
19:00:18 <MaienM> :)
19:00:43 <SergentSiler> lol
19:00:58 <SergentSiler> wb patrick :D
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19:01:13 <PaddiPashizzle> Little do you know I'm simply but an impostor.
19:01:38 <SergentSiler> lol
19:01:50 * SergentSiler is too out of it to care
19:02:00 <PaddiPashizzle> First one to find the IP address of the server they have the bouncers on wins a cookie: http://shellium.org/wiki/
19:02:11 <SergentSiler> lol
19:02:21 <SergentSiler> PaddiPashizzle, 207.192.71.172
19:02:26 <SergentSiler> but its down
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19:02:56 * SergentSiler is unfortunately not on his bnc right now because of this :/
19:03:41 <PaddiPashizzle> Thank you SergentSiler. :-) But aww geewillickers (or some variation of that spelling).
19:03:47 <SergentSiler> lol
19:03:54 <PaddiPashizzle> 8011 for SSL, right?
19:03:57 <SergentSiler> ya
19:04:05 <PaddiPashizzle> Hokay.
19:05:19 <PaddiPashizzle> *stomps* I want it to work NOW.
19:05:34 <SergentSiler> lol
19:05:39 <SergentSiler> admins are workin on it
19:05:52 <PaddiPashizzle> Those IRC logs need a freakin' search function.
19:06:01 <PaddiPashizzle> Who's the tool who runs them, anywho?
19:06:05 <SergentSiler> lol
19:06:36 <PaddiPashizzle> How often does paloogbot go down?
19:06:40 <PaddiPashizzle> *logbot, even.
19:06:41 <SergentSiler> im told the shell is down because of a bad memory leak
19:06:56 <PaddiPashizzle> http://www.google.ca/search?q=define%3Aloog
19:06:57 <SergentSiler> and he goes out every day or 2, sometimes a few times a day
19:07:04 <PaddiPashizzle> What a loser.
19:07:15 <PaddiPashizzle> Meh. It's been like... what, since October.
19:07:16 <SergentSiler> lawl
19:07:22 <PaddiPashizzle> As long as my host isn't complaining.
19:07:34 <PaddiPashizzle> October 14th, I put them up?
19:07:43 <SergentSiler> idk
19:07:46 <PaddiPashizzle> 13, shucks.
19:08:20 <PaddiPashizzle> The iPhone needs a pretty-looking SSH client.
19:08:26 <MaienM> PaddiPashizzle: lately palogbot has been going down multiple times a day, or even multiple times a hour sometimes :(
19:08:32 <PaddiPashizzle> Yeah, I just said a pretty SSH client.
19:08:33 <MaienM> altho it isn't that bad every day
19:08:39 <PaddiPashizzle> MaienM: Tried slappin' him around a bit?
19:08:56 <MaienM> I have a script that auto-restarts him if he dies :P
19:09:10 <PaddiPashizzle> Oh you're just fabulous. :-)
19:09:16 <MaienM> so the downtime never is too long :)
19:09:21 <SergentSiler> im also told that someone is trying to root the shellium server O_O
19:09:27 <PaddiPashizzle> I really should work out something usable on my end.
19:09:37 <PaddiPashizzle> SergentSiler: ... what else is new?
19:09:42 <SergentSiler> lol
19:09:49 <SergentSiler> its effecting everything this time
19:10:07 <PaddiPashizzle> Or is it /affecting/? Muah ha ha? Okay, so just effecting.
19:10:14 <SergentSiler> lol
19:10:31 * SergentSiler never uses the proper affecting / effecting
19:10:52 <PaddiPashizzle> If I steal you kitten, then that affects you.
19:10:54 <PaddiPashizzle> However.
19:11:05 <SergentSiler> *your :P
19:11:18 <PaddiPashizzle> If I... hmm... put a fancy unneeded drop-shadow, well that's an effect. :-P
19:11:25 <PaddiPashizzle> Like on that damn HTC Dream ad.
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19:12:14 <MaienM> I never get than/then right :P
19:12:21 <SergentSiler> lol
19:12:22 <MaienM> or rather, I regulary have it wrong :P
19:12:51 <PaddiPashizzle> I never get here/hear right. That's not because I don't know which is which, it's just because I'm stupid and can't spell.
19:13:01 <SergentSiler> lol
19:13:04 <MaienM> xD
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19:14:38 <MaienM> lol, I just totally mistyped "unison", leaving out the "n" and adding a "z" and "k".... and it still led me to the right website xD
19:14:44 <PatrickPatience> So word on the street is I don't know my password.
19:14:48 <SergentSiler> MaienM, LOL
19:15:13 <MaienM> word on the street is I don't know it either PatrickPatience :P
19:15:20 <SergentSiler> your nickserv pass? :P
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19:15:26 <PatrickPatience> That'd be the one.
19:15:30 <MaienM> ask help in #freenode if you really can't remember it :P
19:15:36 <MaienM> oh shi....
19:15:39 * MaienM hides
19:15:43 <SergentSiler> PatrickPatience, id say that is confirmed then
19:15:54 <SergentSiler> :P
19:15:59 <PatrickPatience> Huh?
19:16:08 <ZachThibeau> SergentSiler: shellium still having issues?
19:16:08 <SergentSiler> lol
19:16:11 <SergentSiler> ZachThibeau, yes
19:16:19 <SergentSiler> PatrickPatience, u havent identified
19:16:20 <ZachThibeau> :/
19:16:22 <SergentSiler> :P
19:16:40 <ZachThibeau> I hate having to login freenode without my bnc xD
19:16:49 <Gizmokid|Mac> hello PatrickPatience, don't give me crap for my nicks, you are the one who can't keep the logbots running :P
19:17:17 <SergentSiler> btw apparently i wasnt supposed to tell about what happened to the shell so dont spread it any further kk? :P
19:18:28 <MaienM> SergentSiler: FAIL..... it got LOGGED, thus its on the internet now :P
19:18:33 <SergentSiler> lol
19:18:35 <MaienM> for evah and evah :P
19:18:40 <SergentSiler> and who reads the logs? :P
19:18:53 <MaienM> tim does, just to name someone
19:18:57 <SergentSiler> lol
19:19:05 <SergentSiler> yes but he wont blab it
19:19:07 <PatrickPatience> It's funny because I have like 6 partial KeePass databases.
19:19:09 <MaienM> and.... ehm.... I do, sometimes :P
19:19:09 <MaienM> not often tho
19:19:11 <MaienM> true
19:19:18 <PatrickPatience> Each one has vital passwords for different services.
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19:19:29 <PatrickPatience> The funner part is some have older passwords and some have newer.
19:19:36 <SergentSiler> lol
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19:20:41 <PatrickPatience> Hmm.
19:20:48 <PatrickPatience> This is an interesting dilemma.
19:20:56 <PatrickPatience> I don't wanna be the noob who lost his password.
19:21:04 <SergentSiler> but you are? :P
19:21:15 <PatrickPatience> No no no, wait.
19:21:20 <PatrickPatience> I didn't lose it... I /misplaced/ it.
19:21:24 <SergentSiler> LOL
19:22:38 <MaienM> well then go to #freenode and tell them you "misplaced" your password
19:22:55 <MaienM> I'm sure they'll understand, it happens to the best of us *cough* :P
19:23:09 <SergentSiler> not me :D
19:23:26 <MaienM> happened to me.... not for my IRC pass tho :P
19:23:31 <SergentSiler> lol
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19:24:38 <PatrickPatience> Whoa whoa whoa.
19:24:46 <PatrickPatience> Was I online before SHellium went down?
19:24:52 <SrgSiler|AFK> no
19:24:56 <PatrickPatience> Hmm.
19:25:02 <PatrickPatience> Apparently I logged in 1.5 hours ago..
19:25:15 <ZachThibeau> yeah I'm stuck on freenode until shellium is back
19:25:19 * SrgSiler|AFK is watching cowboy bebop bbl
19:25:37 <MaienM> SrgSiler|AFK: :D
19:25:40 <MaienM> its awesome :D
19:25:43 <SrgSiler|AFK> :D
19:25:43 <ZachThibeau> http://failblog.org/2009/06/22/norton-antivirus-fail/
19:25:47 <ZachThibeau> norton fail xD
19:25:57 * SrgSiler|AFK is sort of semi afk aksually
19:25:59 <SrgSiler|AFK> >_>
19:26:16 <MaienM> s/aksually/actually/
19:27:13 <SrgSiler|AFK> no
19:27:19 <SrgSiler|AFK> aksually i meant aksually :B
19:27:51 <MaienM> ..... right xD
19:27:56 <PatrickPatience> No failblog links in here. :-(
19:28:34 <ZachThibeau> ok
19:28:49 <ZachThibeau> your loose then :P
19:28:49 <PatrickPatience> Gahhh. That's not even Norton's fault. Maybe they should renew their subscription or uninstall that ****. :-)
19:29:25 <ZachThibeau> anyways PatrickPatience I've finally forked xchat for windows :)
19:29:51 <ZachThibeau> it's called PChat (name suggestion by John T Haller)
19:30:23 <PatrickPatience> *chuckles* PChat.
19:30:32 <PatrickPatience> But congrats. May I test a built, yet?
19:30:52 <ZachThibeau> yeah sure, openssl is still not working for me yet though
19:30:54 <PatrickPatience> You should have called it TheShizzlenator.
19:31:30 <MaienM> lol
19:31:45 <MaienM> or WinChat :P
19:31:53 <MaienM> or actually, no, that is lame :P
19:32:08 <ZachThibeau> brb phone
19:33:32 <ZachThibeau> and my xchat fork uses an updated gtk environment than what silverex uses
19:33:51 <ZachThibeau> so I have to bundle it with the gtk deps I used
19:34:23 <ZachThibeau> ok uploading now :)
19:35:16 <PatrickPatience> So the pizza man came, and I gave him a 50. I said I just wanted 25 bucks back. So he gives me 15 in bills, then he's scrambling for change. So I'm like, "It's cool, just 7 bucks'll do (giving me 22 dollars change)". He's like, "Seven? Oh, okay...!" and gives me 5 dollars coin...
19:35:33 <PatrickPatience> I don't know how I feel about that, but I hope he enjoys his like near 50% tip.
19:35:40 <ZachThibeau> lol
19:38:15 <ZachThibeau> ohh dang I forgot to remove my other program I had ported from linux xD
19:38:38 <ZachThibeau> anyways PatrickPatience http://zachthibeau.com/dload/PChat/?path=PChat
19:38:58 <ZachThibeau> and yes MaienM it's your download script I am using :P
19:39:04 <MaienM> :D
19:39:39 <ZachThibeau> the other program is called leafpad which is a gtk text editor
19:39:48 <ZachThibeau> first port to windows too :)
19:39:48 <MaienM> that makes a grand total of... 3 users :D (counting myself)
19:40:10 <ZachThibeau> now I got to edit a template to make it work with my phpBB powered site :P
19:40:18 <MaienM> :P
19:41:11 <ZachThibeau> meh I'll get to it later :P
19:41:55 <ZachThibeau> that PChat release PatrickPatience is code named Savoury Steak :D
19:42:16 <PatrickPatience> I like the part where the entire path to the download is in the filename.
19:42:26 <MaienM> lol
19:42:33 <MaienM> thats a small failure on my part :P
19:42:37 <ZachThibeau> yeah :P
19:42:45 <MaienM> I fixed that, just haven't released the fixed version yet :P
19:43:00 <MaienM> now that I think about it, I'll get to that later today ;)
19:43:16 <ZachThibeau> :P
19:43:55 <MaienM> for now, think of it as a "unintended feature" rather then a bug ;)
19:44:06 <ZachThibeau> lol
19:44:20 <ZachThibeau> rather a high risk feature for someone to exploit :P
19:44:24 <MaienM> indeed
19:44:40 <MaienM> also, there is a bug with the .info files not being saved in the right place D:
19:44:49 <MaienM> quite a nasty one too :(
19:44:56 <MaienM> .... better get the new version out :P
19:45:08 <PatrickPatience> I don't like the part where you keep talking...
19:45:10 <PatrickPatience> *hides*
19:45:33 <PatrickPatience> This is the happiest damn conversation I've seen in a while.
19:45:45 <PatrickPatience> Like 16 smilies in page view.
19:46:19 <ZachThibeau> yay he got it :D
19:46:23 <PatrickPatience> Haha.
19:46:58 <MaienM> :P
19:47:12 <MaienM> I know, I use way too much smileys xD
19:48:47 <ZachThibeau> I know what you mean
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19:51:23 <ZachThibeau> brb
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19:53:47 <ZachThibeau> back :)
19:54:00 <ZachThibeau> just changed to my savoury steak release :)
19:55:23 <ZachThibeau> hmm I noticed something I forgot to change xD
19:55:29 <ZachThibeau> I guess it's time to recompile
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19:59:49 <ZachThibeau> excellent build complete :) brb
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20:00:41 <ZachThibeau> hmm still not fixed :/
20:02:07 <ZachThibeau> still says PAChat in the title :/
20:02:14 <ZachThibeau> and openssl still not working D:
20:02:56 <ZachThibeau> PatrickPatience: have you a chance to try out PChat yet?
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20:06:24 <ZachThibeau> howdy ptmb
20:06:35 <ptmb> Hi ZachThibeau!
20:06:50 <ptmb> just got home from a bike ride :D
20:09:37 <PatrickPatience> ZachThibeau: Nope.
20:09:47 <PatrickPatience> I need 7-Zip. :-P Just installed Windows 7.
20:09:51 <PatrickPatience> SOOO lazy. :-P
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20:14:34 <aggelos> hi to all:)
20:16:15 <aggelos> i am looking for skype portable wher can i find it?
20:16:45 <aggelos> ane one know?
20:19:58 <Gizmokid|Mac> aggelos: there is no such thing
20:20:15 <Gizmokid|Mac> Skype is not able to be made portable by us - it's not Open Source, making it illegal in the first place
20:21:14 <Gizmokid|Mac> sorry aggelos, it's just one thing we can not do
20:22:41 <aggelos> i have download SkypePortable_0.9_LauncherTest.paf.exe from your site but i can't use it
20:23:16 <Gizmokid|Mac> aggelos: that's just a launcher, you actually have to copy the whole locally installed Skype program folder into the App/ folder in the SkypePortable folder that the launcher creates
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20:35:35 <aggelos> byeeee:)
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21:11:23 <ZachThibeau> WIN I just got openssl working in PChat :D
21:11:28 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> :)
21:13:34 <ZachThibeau> best of all I didn't use no stickin Visual Studio compiler either :D
21:13:40 <ZachThibeau> all mingw :D
21:14:59 <ZachThibeau> now all is left to do is to get ipv6 headers for mingw and start coding features for my XChat fork :)
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21:15:42 <JohnTHaller> hola
21:15:46 <MaienM> ZachThibeau: well, even tho I hate to admit it, the msvc generates smaller and faster .exes for windows.... or so I've heard
21:15:49 <MaienM> hello JohnTHaller
21:15:53 <Gizmokid|Mac> hello JohnTHaller
21:16:20 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: Indeed it does. A lot more work has been put into MSVC due to heavy investment from Intel and Microsoft.
21:16:25 <JohnTHaller> How goes it in here today?
21:16:40 <ZachThibeau> I just got OpenSSL support working on PChat :D
21:16:48 <Gizmokid|Mac> it goes I suppose. Typical monday lol
21:17:23 <ZachThibeau> next is get ipv6 somehow working
21:18:17 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: any chance you have time for The Mana World Portable anytime soon?
21:18:28 <JohnTHaller> Is it done done?
21:18:45 <MaienM> its been done done for a while :)
21:18:53 <JohnTHaller> link please
21:18:57 <ZachThibeau> well 2 devs (myself being one) tested it and it was good
21:19:03 <ZachThibeau> brb
21:19:04 <MaienM> also, I just updated to the most recent version today
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21:19:19 <MaienM> http://portableapps.com/node/18809
21:19:22 <JohnTHaller> anything major that would change anything with the update?
21:19:33 <MaienM> nope
21:19:52 <MaienM> well, it fixed the command line option I use to make it portable
21:19:58 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I know you've been waiting on it and been patient in the room here, so I'll get this up for you this week.
21:20:10 <MaienM> which was the reason I could not upgrade to 0.0.29.0 ;)
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21:20:15 <JohnTHaller> is it using the current PAF spec?
21:20:26 <MaienM> yep, it is as far as I know
21:20:39 <MaienM> unless it had any major changes last few weeks?
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21:21:12 <JohnTHaller> Nope. 0.91 is still current even with the last 4 bugfix installers.
21:21:39 <JohnTHaller> Only addition was Esperanto to the config file. And then only if you're manually specifying languages.
21:22:03 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: You think we really need to make the music optional?
21:22:03 <MaienM> any changes from 0.90 > 0.91? (couldn't find the changelog)
21:22:27 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format#history
21:22:30 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: the music more then doubles the size.... and its optional in the official instller too
21:22:43 <JohnTHaller> 0.91 was when we added PNG
21:22:47 <JohnTHaller> nothing since then
21:22:58 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. We'll keep it optional then.
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21:23:20 <MaienM> oh, yeah, I added the png icons, so its up-to-date with the specs
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21:26:05 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: Shouldn't our directory and AppID be TheManaWorldPortable?
21:26:42 <MaienM> you tell me.... I really don't know :P
21:27:52 <JohnTHaller> Heh. It should be TheManaWorldPortable.exe and use that directory and ID. No need to shorten it. But we just shorten it for the splash if need be,
21:28:30 <MaienM> alright then. Shall I create a PR8 with those changes then?
21:28:45 <JohnTHaller> Nope, I can handle that for ya...
21:28:59 <MaienM> alright :)
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21:31:45 <ZachThibeau> I think I just got ipv6 for PChat :)
21:31:47 <ZachThibeau> brb
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21:32:04 <AppGuy> what is PChat>
21:32:07 <AppGuy> *?
21:32:29 <ptmb> it is Zach's own modified xChat
21:32:41 <AppGuy> cool
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21:39:56 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: You ok using your full name on site? Or first name last initial? Or vice versa?
21:40:42 <MaienM> full name is no problem with me
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21:41:23 <JohnTHaller> what is your full name?
21:41:37 <MaienM> Michon van Dooren
21:42:03 <JohnTHaller> thought so. want to keep your PA.c logon as MaienM though?
21:42:35 <ZachThibeau> become on of us MaienM :D
21:42:37 <MaienM> for now, yes.... I am considering changing it, not too sure about that though
21:44:35 <JohnTHaller> ok, hang on a sec...
21:45:37 <ZachThibeau> ok IPV6 seems to be working :) so Version 1 of PChat seems ready for a full blown test release :)
21:46:44 <ptmb> ZachThibeau: great
21:47:21 <AppGuy> sounds good
21:47:59 <ZachThibeau> I'll need to get the proper version of gtk to bundle with (already got the installer for it) just need to make the regular installer to install to the desktop (even though that kind of speaks against what we do here xD)
21:51:17 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: Got an idea for a tagline?
21:52:07 <MaienM> you mean just like "your browser, your way... in your pocket™" for FFP?
21:53:48 <JohnTHaller> yeah
21:53:50 <MaienM> looking at the official website logo, the "slogan" seems to be "A free open source 2D MMORPG in development.".... dunno if we can use that
21:54:04 <JohnTHaller> let's ditch 'in development'
21:54:15 <MaienM> hmm... yeah, I agree
21:54:25 <MaienM> and maybe add "portable"
21:55:14 <MaienM> so "A free open source 2D MMORPG, portable" or something like that?
21:55:33 <JohnTHaller> in your pocket :-)
21:55:53 <MaienM> that sound even better ;)
21:56:32 <JohnTHaller> Ok, how does this look? http://portableapps.com/apps/games/the_mana_world_portable
21:57:48 <MaienM> looks good, just going to check if there are more recent screenshots on the wiki
21:58:17 <MaienM> that screenshot is from 0.0.20.0 :P
21:58:44 <JohnTHaller> it's what they link on their homepage
21:58:54 <JohnTHaller> there are better ones in the wiki, pick one :-)
21:59:08 <MaienM> yeah.... well, there are more recent screenshots on the wiki, but none look as good as that one :P
21:59:22 <MaienM> most are test ones, or bloated with interface
21:59:30 <MaienM> so lets just go with that one :)
21:59:36 <JohnTHaller> okey dokey
21:59:39 <JohnTHaller> can you edit that page btw?
21:59:45 <MaienM> yep
21:59:53 <JohnTHaller> cool
21:59:57 <MaienM> :D
22:00:00 <JohnTHaller> you're listed on the Our Team page now, too :-)
22:00:27 <MaienM> cool :)
22:01:22 <MaienM> btw, I've been a member for one and a half year now.... just happened to notice that just now xD
22:01:31 <JohnTHaller> I just added ya
22:01:37 <JohnTHaller> you get added when you become a dev
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22:02:56 <JohnTHaller> What do you think of a sub-category in games... worth have MMORPG specifcally? Or just RPG?
22:03:14 <MaienM> maybe online vs offline?
22:03:23 <ZachThibeau> well MMORPG is just a sub of rpg
22:03:24 <MaienM> or multiplayer VS singleplayer
22:03:39 <ZachThibeau> lbut like MaienM says one is online and one isn't
22:04:10 <JohnTHaller> yeah, but how many RPGs you think we're gonna add?
22:04:24 <JohnTHaller> categories for 1 or 2 apps are kinda overkill
22:04:49 <ZachThibeau> why not adventure section
22:04:57 <ZachThibeau> you explore in Mana World
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22:05:16 <ZachThibeau> and it would also fit with some other games too that aren't mmo's
22:05:17 <JohnTHaller> hmm... that's not bad
22:05:29 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: you like it?
22:05:31 <ZachThibeau> I'm so brilliant I scare myself ;)
22:05:52 <MaienM> hmm.... sounds good, if there are other games that fall in that category ;)
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22:08:05 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is annoyed that GizmoBot has to announce him - RMCCUE! WHERE'S PABOT?
22:08:32 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: could you please release BPBible Portable 0.4.4?
22:09:13 <JohnTHaller> how's this: http://portableapps.com/apps/games
22:09:33 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: did you email me a link or is there a PR somewhere?
22:10:16 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: looks nice, very nice ;)
22:10:38 <ChrisMorgan> I emailed it to you.
22:10:47 <ChrisMorgan> I emailed a link that is
22:11:08 <JohnTHaller> and in german: http://portableapps.com/de/apps/games
22:11:15 <JohnTHaller> sure, ChrisMorgan. I'll do that next :-)
22:12:19 <MaienM> looks fine too :P
22:12:20 <ChrisMorgan> That was at 0.91(.1?), but it should just work fine compiling with the latest installer (no changes, right?)
22:12:37 <JohnTHaller> yup
22:12:41 <JohnTHaller> it just works.
22:12:44 <ChrisMorgan> Good
22:13:25 <ChrisMorgan> Don't like this webchat.freenode.net thing... ah well. Mibbit is developing a Java and Flash communications thing so that Mibbit can use them for connecting directly to freenode
22:14:54 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: do you want me to find the linky for you?
22:15:33 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/BPBiblePortable_0.4.4.paf.exe if you do :-)
22:16:10 <JohnTHaller> Got it, ChrisMorgan. thanks :-)
22:16:18 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: The Mana World Portable 0.0.29.1: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-22_-_the_mana_world_portable_0.0.29.1
22:16:48 <ChrisMorgan> Also, the German JkDefrag Portable page still links to 3.34 rather than 3.36 - http://portableapps.com/de/apps/utilities/jkdefrag_portable
22:16:57 <ChrisMorgan> (This was reported by someone in here)
22:17:37 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: fixed, thanks
22:17:56 <MaienM> yay!!!! thanks JohnTHaller :)
22:18:34 <ZachThibeau> yay MaienM you got your first app ready :D
22:18:41 <ChrisMorgan> Well done MaienM :-)
22:18:52 <ChrisMorgan> Do you want me to auto-voice you?
22:19:21 <JohnTHaller> He's a dev, so get should be :-)
22:19:24 <MaienM> thanks guys :)
22:19:43 <ZachThibeau> Yay I won't be the only Dev (besides JacobMastel who comes everynow and then) thats voiced in this channel :D
22:19:46 <MaienM> ChrisMorgan: sure :P
22:19:49 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll do it...
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22:20:24 <JohnTHaller> thanks for your work on it, MaienM!
22:20:26 <MaienM> now how did I manage to mistype :) as :P 3 times in a row.... *sigh*
22:20:33 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: OK, auto-voiced :-)
22:20:38 <MaienM> :)
22:20:56 <ZachThibeau> horray for me not being lonely up here in the voice level :D
22:21:18 <ZachThibeau> I thought I was going crazy talking to palogbot ;)
22:21:21 <JohnTHaller> It's on the homepage. MaienM, you can watch your download stats, here: https://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=151265&ugn=portableapps&type=prdownload&mode=alltime&package_id=327959
22:21:49 <MaienM> 0 downloads so far - go me!!! :P
22:22:11 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: it gets updated regularly, but some stats take a while getting there.
22:22:51 <MaienM> I'll bookmark it and check later :P
22:22:59 <ZachThibeau> MaienM: I thought I get the ball rolling ;) so I downloaded it :D
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22:24:18 * JohnTHaller is working on BPBible Portable now...
22:24:52 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: after that, then, how's the launcher going? You got the joint copyright assignment scan?
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22:26:06 <ZachThibeau> I need a lightbulb icon for one of my icons for PChat :/
22:26:12 <ZachThibeau> I can't seem to find one xD
22:26:24 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: Try openclipart.org :D
22:26:33 <ZachThibeau> ty ChrisMorgan :)
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22:26:52 <ZachThibeau> once I get the icons fixed I can put out my first release of PChat the xchat fork :)
22:27:06 <ChrisMorgan> http://openclipart.org/media/files/Anonymous/7121 :P
22:27:06 <ZachThibeau> all compiled with mingw too :D
22:27:27 <ChrisMorgan> I still reckon YChat is a better name.
22:28:12 <JohnTHaller> get icons from the Oxygen icon set. It's GPL and CC licensed. We use it on-site now, too
22:28:30 <ZachThibeau> thats what I got for one of the icons but I can't seem to find a lightbulb one :/
22:28:54 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I got the copyright scan. Just been swamped trying to get apps caught up. Pushign to get a test out this week. We have a couple publishers asking for it now :-)
22:29:01 <JohnTHaller> There are two
22:29:14 <ChrisMorgan> Oxygen, that's it.
22:29:33 <ChrisMorgan> I tried Nuvola, Tango is out, couldn't remember Oxygen
22:29:37 <JohnTHaller> I use it for our Software and Hardware partnerships heading: http://portableapps.com/about/contact
22:30:25 <ChrisMorgan> OK, thanks John, I'll be waitin' for it :-)
22:30:36 <ZachThibeau> ahh there we go :) ty JohnTHaller
22:30:43 <ZachThibeau> and it's the right size too :D
22:31:03 <ChrisMorgan> How do you reckon we're best to do Java apps: build into the insaller and launcher to do it all, copying a local copy or downloading, at the user's choice-ish?
22:31:37 * ChrisMorgan should be able to do more and better work for PortableApps.com when his laptop arrives tomorrow :-)
22:32:32 <JohnTHaller> I'm working on an auto-install Java Portable that pulls it from the Sun server and installs it. That'll be our official build for now.
22:32:43 <JohnTHaller> For the actual apps, we should build off the generic launcher me-thinks.
22:33:12 <ChrisMorgan> I was just thinking about it because of GanttProject and Sweet Home 3D (both Java apps), how it can be done best.
22:34:58 <ChrisMorgan> Got to go to school in a minute or few...
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22:36:37 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... 5 megabits per second downlading Aptana... speed doubled with 10 chunks from 5.
22:37:48 <JohnTHaller> ok, bpbible is up, posting the announcement now
22:38:07 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks :-)
22:38:24 <ChrisMorgan> We could mention the new languages in it?
22:38:33 <ChrisMorgan> Now, which one was added...
22:39:02 <ChrisMorgan> Spanish, German, Hungarian, Chinese (simplified, + traditional?)
22:39:18 <ChrisMorgan> Spanish in 0.4.4, others in 0.4.3 which wasn't released here.
22:39:50 <ChrisMorgan> Chinese (Simplified) is all that's on the list, but I'm fairly sure zh_TW was in as well.
22:39:59 <ChrisMorgan> OK, got to go now, bye!
22:40:08 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: BPBible Portable 0.4.4: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-22_-_bpbible_portable_0.4.4
22:40:16 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks :-)
22:40:55 <JohnTHaller> btw - anybody else notice that the site is faster now?
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22:41:00 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> JohnTHaller: yup
22:41:04 <ZachThibeau> yup :)
22:41:23 <MaienM> now that you mention it, yeah.... :)
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22:41:29 <ZachThibeau> PChat is about done, just need to test a few more things before I package :)
22:41:43 <chris___> just a quick one John, you've linked to the 0.4 release notes not the 0.4.4 ones
22:41:47 <chris___> now I really must go
22:42:14 <JohnTHaller> thanks fixed
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22:42:32 <JohnTHaller> yeah, I upgraded from PHP4 to PHP5 and from mySQL4 to mySQL5 on the server.
22:42:49 <JohnTHaller> We're gonna have an advanced admin do some tweaking of the config files to up performance even more, too.
22:43:26 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> that's good JohnTHaller, are you still running on a single server?
22:43:28 <MaienM> btw, JohnTHaller, you've had the chance to test AdminTwit yet?
22:44:16 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, still on our quad cpu, 8GB ram, scsi raid5 box.
22:44:33 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> JohnTHaller: very nice :) Just checking.
22:45:00 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: Not yet. Not sure what we're gonna do with twitter honestly, still :-(
22:45:22 <ZachThibeau> and twitter is talking about going commercial too
22:45:42 <MaienM> neither am I, really.... just was wondering whether you used it yet :P
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22:47:08 <JohnTHaller> 'going commercial'?
22:47:24 <JohnTHaller> yikes... thunderbird update just went live...
22:47:53 <JohnTHaller> time to kick off the Thunderbird Portable auto-build script...
22:48:02 <ZachThibeau> and yes there has been talk on the twitter blog about going commercial
22:48:48 <ZachThibeau> I switched to identica because of that
22:50:40 <JohnTHaller> ah
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22:56:22 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> JohnTHaller: haha, nice :)
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23:04:55 <ZachThibeau> night Michon
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23:19:19 <ZachThibeau> shellium is back :D
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23:20:18 <ZachThibeau> there :)
23:20:32 <ZachThibeau> feels good to be back on my bnc :)
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23:33:31 <JohnTHaller> bnc?
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23:34:29 <Gizmokid|Mac> JohnTHaller: IRC BNC - bouncer
23:34:43 <Gizmokid|Mac> they are actually logged in via a server somewhere that keeps a connection for them.
23:34:55 <Gizmokid|Mac> they then log into that to be on IRC>
23:37:51 <JohnTHaller> ah ok
23:40:47 <ZachThibeau> yeah the server I was using for my bnc was touchy today for reasons unknown
23:41:40 <ZachThibeau> any windows xp users here?
23:41:51 <ZachThibeau> (and I mean present of course :P)
23:51:21 <JohnTHaller> looks like this got published: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/06/liberkey_thats.html
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23:53:33 <ZachThibeau> howdy powerjuce
23:54:10 <powerjuce> hey ZachThibeau
23:54:18 <ZachThibeau> you using windows xp?
23:54:49 <powerjuce> finally!!!
23:54:50 <powerjuce> yes
23:55:04 <powerjuce> why?
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23:58:09 <ZachThibeau> powerjuce: I finally got a 1.0 release of PChat for windows set (Xchat fork) and it won't work on my xp vm properly and I want to check to see if it's just my vm thats causing the issue or not
23:58:33 <powerjuce> sure shoot me a link i can check
23:58:46 <ZachThibeau> http://zachthibeau.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7
23:58:51 <ZachThibeau> brb got to fold laundry