IRC Log from 2009-06-23

00:02:44 <ZachThibeau> back
00:11:14 <ZachThibeau> powerjuce: how goes the testing?
00:11:47 <powerjuce> ZachThibeau: sry but this comp cant handle this app...i will have 2 test a little later 2nite
00:11:56 <ZachThibeau> no worries
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00:29:24 <JohnTHaller> Thunderbird update is uploading...
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00:32:15 <ZachThibeau> back
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00:50:22 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Mozilla Thunderbird, Portable Edition: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-22_-_thunderbird_portable_2.0.0.22
00:50:37 <rcmaehl> Hello All From My Vacaton in Mrytle Beach
00:54:44 <JohnTHaller> heh. having fun?
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00:57:56 <Horusofoz> Hi guys
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01:00:08 <Horusofoz> Just a note that because the new Mana World installs to a different directory than the dev tests and pre-releases it will cause users to lose settings and characters previously used unless they manually copy the files over :-(
01:01:39 <JohnTHaller> Ah yes. I hadn't really considered that since it wasn't an official release yet.
01:02:05 <rcmaehl2> oh srry JohnTHaller Yes I am
01:02:30 <Horusofoz> Scratch that. Though the settings are probably kept offline (I can find files for all the updates) it seems the character info is all kept server side
01:02:46 <rcmaehl2> Need to fix my settings so theres a sound when my chat program is minimized and i get a message
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01:03:08 <JohnTHaller> Horusofoz: This cover it? http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-22_-_the_mana_world_portable_0.0.29.1#comment-121362
01:03:55 <Horusofoz> That should do though I just saw that the characters are kept server side as I managed to log in to mine
01:05:02 <powerjuce> oh my god.... i hate the new paf
01:05:12 <JohnTHaller> um why?
01:05:52 <powerjuce> oh wow... did not kno u were here, and just cause it is new
01:06:01 <powerjuce> i have to learn a lot of new stuff
01:06:02 <ZachThibeau> lol
01:06:17 <ZachThibeau> it's pretty automated now actually
01:06:24 <powerjuce> although i love the installer that is included
01:06:47 <rcmaehl> i forgot what paf stands for
01:06:54 <powerjuce> it is, but it is just something new.. i wanted to start testing but i am working thru the specs of paf
01:06:59 <powerjuce> Portable Apps Format
01:07:04 <rcmaehl> oh
01:07:42 <ZachThibeau> rcmaehl: you seriously need to get to portableapps.com more often and read the information tere
01:07:45 <ZachThibeau> **there
01:07:54 <rcmaehl> ...
01:07:55 <powerjuce> sorry JohnTHaller i am not saying it is bad i am just saying it is new...which is good :)
01:09:38 <ZachThibeau> it'll help you learn more about the paf specifications and what kind of standards we use etc rcmaehl :)
01:09:43 <rcmaehl> What is the Mana World?
01:10:51 <rcmaehl> nvr mind
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01:11:04 <rcmaehl> But I have an idea for the PA site
01:11:37 <JohnTHaller> powerjuce: It's entirely automated now. You can control the whole thing with simple INI files. You don't even need NSIS installed on your PC.
01:11:40 <JohnTHaller> rcmaehl: what?
01:12:43 <rcmaehl> Instead of having the language switcher at the bottom you could have it like in a drop-down menu of as flag icons after the search form or elsewhere
01:13:10 <JohnTHaller> Oh it will be once we start using Drupal's actual language support. We're just doing a simple hack right now.
01:13:23 <rcmaehl> lol
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01:16:17 <powerjuce> JohnTHaller: using this new system do we need to check paf then?
01:16:30 <JohnTHaller> well, the installer checks some of it
01:16:32 <powerjuce> or is checking paf just checking the ini files?
01:16:42 <powerjuce> and i mean for the testers?
01:16:48 <JohnTHaller> it even runs interactively by default and asks you for missing values
01:16:52 <rcmaehl> heh I just remember that he hotel i'm staying at is stealing the free wifi from the hotel new door
01:17:20 <JohnTHaller> but yeah, we should check the INIs to make sure it's set right now... easier than checking code :-)
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01:18:55 <pa_5671> help!
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01:19:46 <pa_5671> help!
01:19:51 <rcmaehl> pa_5671, ?
01:19:59 <rcmaehl> with what
01:20:07 <pa_5671> Hi, sorry, I don't really get IRC
01:20:23 <rcmaehl> it's ok
01:20:27 <pa_5671> I'm using several portable apps and having the same problem with all of them
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01:20:55 <rcmaehl> What's the problem?
01:22:00 <pa_5671> I click the icon, and it brings up the load image, but then nothing happens. If I open Windows Task Manager it tells me that there are two processes [appname].exe and [appname]portable.exe. But no app loads
01:22:23 <rcmaehl> hmmmm
01:23:07 <rcmaehl> How many apps you got?
01:23:09 <Horusofoz> What operating system and do you have admin rights on it?
01:23:15 <pa_5671> The two processes seem interdependant, if I delete one the other vanishes after a few seconds.
01:23:30 <rcmaehl> I had this problem when I had about 40 apps
01:23:36 <pa_5671> Do you mean on my USB drive or loading?
01:23:43 <rcmaehl> USB
01:24:12 <pa_5671> I have XP Pro, and I'm a power user or whatever it is in this version, but I've not had this problem with apps in the past
01:24:28 <JohnTHaller> pa_5671: when did this issue start?
01:24:29 <pa_5671> I have 14 apps on the USB
01:25:00 <pa_5671> I've only noticed it today, but I haven't used most of the apps for a few weeks.
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01:26:06 <rcmaehl> What's the USB size? 128MB, 1GB, etc?
01:26:18 <pa_5671> I use DOSboxPortable almost every day with no issues, but with that I put a shortcut in the folder of each game executable and just drag and drop.
01:26:27 <pa_5671> It's a 1GB
01:26:44 <rcmaehl> ok hold on
01:29:28 <rcmaehl> DO you have a program that optimizes your COmputer for speed?
01:29:46 <rcmaehl> B/c they might not be getting enough RAM
01:30:52 <pa_5671> I doubt there is on this machine, and I don't see any processes in Task Manager that look like an optimiser
01:33:00 <pa_5671> The drive is about 1/3 full, I don't see how that could cause a problem, but I suppose I could try transferring the apps to a 2GB or 4GB drive
01:33:57 <rcmaehl> run an app
01:33:57 <rcmaehl> then go to taskmanager
01:33:59 <rcmaehl> right click on the app process and change priority to above normal or high on both
01:34:09 <rcmaehl> Is the app coming up?
01:34:17 <rcmaehl> ok
01:35:05 <pa_5671> yes that seems to work really well
01:35:45 <rcmaehl> which thing?
01:35:58 <pa_5671> with any app too
01:36:15 <pa_5671> changing the priority on [appname].exe
01:36:21 <rcmaehl> ok
01:36:32 <pa_5671> above normal is sufficient
01:36:58 <rcmaehl> It was a little trick I learned to make Firefox load fast on my computer
01:37:05 <pa_5671> thanks! I shouldn't have any more problems now
01:37:17 <rcmaehl> You;re welcome
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01:37:57 <rcmaehl> See, I know stuff
01:38:30 <JohnTHaller> heh, nice rcmaehl. sorry I missed the end of that, my girlfriend came home.
01:38:48 <rcmaehl> ...
01:39:31 <rcmaehl> JohnTHaller, how id you make the mibbit widget to have pa in front of the numbers
01:39:49 <Bensawsome> its not mibbit anymore
01:39:54 <Bensawsome> and its a special thing in the code
01:40:13 <Bensawsome> i dunno what it is anymore cause i always used the pa support thing as a reeference
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01:41:20 <JohnTHaller> it's the freenode one. and it's a setting for it
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01:41:27 <JohnTHaller> alright... dinner time... back later...
01:41:33 <rcmaehl2> dang it
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01:43:42 <rcmaehl> FF 3.5 is different
01:45:03 <rcmaehl> someone ping me and tell me my reply time
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01:51:15 <Horusofoz> ZachThibeau: Any news on Songbird Portable?
01:51:39 <ZachThibeau> Horusofoz: to quote John, it'll get done when it's done :P
01:51:48 <ZachThibeau> right now I'm busy with another project
01:52:00 <ZachThibeau> it's an XChat Fork
01:52:20 <rcmaehl> Why does Xchat need a fork it doesnt eat
01:52:31 <Horusofoz> ZachThibeau: I know that I mean is there any issues with it at the moment or is it all hunky dorey and just a matter of time
01:52:32 <ZachThibeau> stop being a smart ass please
01:52:43 <rcmaehl> srry
01:53:00 <ZachThibeau> Horusofoz: it will get done on my own schedule ;)
01:55:27 <Horusofoz> ZachThibeau: :'-(
01:55:34 <Horusofoz> ZachThibeau: :-p
01:55:38 <ZachThibeau> :P
01:55:51 <Horusofoz> ZachThibeau: K just checking
01:55:51 <ZachThibeau> I will try to aim for the end of this week :)
01:56:02 <Horusofoz> ZachThibeau: Cheers :-)
01:56:03 <ZachThibeau> no promises though
01:56:42 <ZachThibeau> brb
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02:55:28 <JohnTHaller> hi again
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03:04:02 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com and the last Timelord
03:07:28 <JohnTHaller> I posted a Rev 2 to The Mana World. I messed up a setting in the PAF config.
03:07:47 <Scriptdaemon> Last I checked TMW wasn't added to the applications page btw.
03:07:48 <Bensawsome> oh sweet mana world is out :D
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03:25:52 <Whibo> pabot is dead :(
03:26:20 <JohnTHaller> been dead for a while
03:26:42 <Whibo> I'm sad for a while too
03:27:04 <Whibo> GizmoBot'll never replace my old friend pabot
03:27:16 <Whibo> we splitted pizza
03:27:50 <Whibo> we plaid xbox
03:27:56 <Whibo> *played
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03:30:29 <pabot> I'm back master JohnTHaller
03:31:36 <JohnTHaller> please stop that
03:32:52 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm. 15 official apps are outdated. :(
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03:33:27 <Whibo> so serious :(
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03:58:55 <Horusofoz> JohnTHaller: The link for mana world rev2 is pinting to the PortableApps Sourceforge files page rather than the download
04:01:05 <Horusofoz> JohnTHaller: Same thing as happened with BonkEnc
04:01:23 <JohnTHaller> SF error again... will retry it
04:02:01 <PatrickPatience> Bensawsome: You 'round?
04:02:44 <dbdii407> PatrickPatience, Well that depends. How 'round' ya want 'em? :P
04:03:03 <dbdii407> 24/7 or just now? ;)
04:03:43 <dbdii407> Why in the world did i put an extra '? Eh. Oh well.
04:16:15 <powerjuce|away> hey guys will the pa launcher installer actually compile the launcher?
04:16:37 <JohnTHaller> no. the launcher won't need to be compiled by each dev
04:19:21 <powerjuce|away> ok thanks
04:19:35 <powerjuce|away> alrite i get the new paf
04:23:24 <Bensawsome> PatrickPatience?
04:23:48 <JohnTHaller> alright, i need sleep.
04:24:05 <Bensawsome> nite
04:24:10 <PatrickPatience> Bensawsome: What's the address for SHellium's ZNC control panel?
04:24:28 <Bensawsome> ummm
04:24:33 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
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04:24:40 <Bensawsome> https://shellium.org:8011 i think
04:24:54 <Bensawsome> yep
04:25:06 <Bensawsome> just need to add the exception in ff
04:34:38 <powerjuce|away> aight yall i am going 2 bed i have work 2morrow, i have uploaded a new version of REGportable so you can all check that one out
04:34:51 <powerjuce|away> gnight all
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04:40:33 <PatrickPatience> Yo, folks...
04:40:44 <PatrickPatience> What's with the .png's for the icon?
04:40:56 <PatrickPatience> Color depth support?
04:56:07 <Bensawsome> transparency?
04:56:25 * Bensawsome dunno for sure
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05:56:12 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is annoyed that GizmoBot has to announce him - RMCCUE! WHERE'S PABOT?
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06:06:56 <MaienM> gmornin ChrisMorgan :)
06:07:11 <ChrisMorgan> Good afternoon, MaienM :-)
06:07:45 <ChrisMorgan> How's BPDutch going?
06:08:45 <MaienM> still the same, really don't have time for it due to school atm
06:08:59 <MaienM> school will be over in 2 weeks tho :)
06:09:11 * MaienM hopes he is going to make it this year
06:09:13 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: I put a http://portableapps.com/node/18809#comment-121375 comment in for you, you should prepend "[Outdated]" to the pre-release thread's title and put a top line about it being released officially
06:12:13 <MaienM> how about now? ;)
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06:18:29 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
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06:21:47 <MaienM> you know, the amount of downloads the official one has received has already superseded the amount of downloads all pre/beta ones combined xD
06:22:17 <ChrisMorgan> Not surprising really.
06:23:04 <MaienM> nope, not really
06:23:06 <ChrisMorgan> Many of them will actually be pesky sites which download them automatically and mirror information.
06:23:28 <ChrisMorgan> And many more will be people that just keep an up to date copy of all installers.
06:23:51 <MaienM> true, true
06:27:00 <ChrisMorgan> The sites are a nuisance as a) they're not needed and b) they may increase the download count but decrease it if people download from them.
06:27:33 <upnPAD> why is download count important
06:27:48 <upnPAD> the main reason i would see them as a nuisance would be if they had an outdated version
06:28:03 <ChrisMorgan> ...which they often do.
06:31:04 <MaienM> *sigh* trying to setup file/setting sync between my desktop and laptop atm :P
06:31:21 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: both Windows?
06:31:28 <MaienM> both Ubuntu
06:31:47 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, I won't suggest that you try the MS Sync Toy :P
06:32:35 <MaienM> its getting there.... firefox settings have synced succesfully, only problem is some stuff keeps changing at both ends and thus I keep getting conflicts (to be expected)
06:32:41 <MaienM> xchat works fine too
06:33:51 <MaienM> although I have to get my router to let connections to my BNC through..... which I already did, but it refuses to admit that xD
06:40:53 <upnPAD> o hallo mana world
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07:06:52 <ChrisMorgan> Hey TaffinFoxcroft
07:07:15 <ChrisMorgan> If you really are going with HypnoToad, maybe you should change your name thingy (currently displays as TaffinFo)
07:07:25 <ChrisMorgan> Can't see why you would though...
07:07:45 <HypnoToad> I could, but then people wouldn't know its me from a /who
07:08:28 <HypnoToad> I'm not using HypnoToad to be completely anonymous, just to provide a mild level of seperation.
07:08:39 <ChrisMorgan> separation!?
07:09:29 <HypnoToad> as in seperating real life from the internet.
07:09:34 <ChrisMorgan> :s
07:10:15 <HypnoToad> snap out of it man!
07:10:21 * HypnoToad slaps ChrisMorgan
07:10:27 * ChrisMorgan fights back
07:10:44 <ChrisMorgan> s/fights back/turns the other cheek/
07:13:38 <HypnoToad> s/regex/smell-ex/
07:14:19 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: don't be rude.
07:14:33 <HypnoToad> to regex? =P
07:15:48 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
07:16:01 <ChrisMorgan> Go and stand in the #corner :-)
07:16:21 * HypnoToad hypnotises ChrisMorgan to go and stand in the #corner
07:16:58 <ChrisMorgan> Hah!
07:17:17 * ChrisMorgan sends HypnoToad to #portableapps-ot :-)
07:17:37 <HypnoToad> I'm already there, so ha!
07:17:51 <ChrisMorgan> You missed out an h in hah: HAH!
07:19:34 <HypnoToad> it was a sharp laugh, with a hard finish to the syllable
07:19:51 <HypnoToad> the extra h would have softened the effect
07:20:10 <ChrisMorgan> Actually no: it adds a mocking tone to the laugh.
07:21:22 <ChrisMorgan> HAH!
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07:21:39 <ChrisMorgan> The first H is slightly rolled, gutturally.
07:22:38 <HypnoToad> It wasn't meant to add a mocking tone, but to provide a bit more force behind it, so its more like getting punched in the gut rather than with a pillow
07:24:40 * ChrisMorgan reckons that a *kick* would work better than a punch
07:25:10 <HypnoToad> same difference. either way you're still very mildly injured by the movement
07:27:48 <HypnoToad> meh
07:28:09 <ChrisMorgan> Starters. I /could/ enter and kick...
07:28:33 <ChrisMorgan> Anyhow, we seem to have got *very* off-topic.
07:28:35 <HypnoToad> take my op on a currently meaningless channel! oh no!
07:29:25 <ChrisMorgan> Not just currently...
07:29:49 <HypnoToad> who knows, Baaa could still have a comeback.
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07:42:27 <HypnoToad> ohai Horusofoz
07:42:52 <Horusofoz> Howdy
07:45:59 <Horusofoz> Anyone here have any experience with VirtualBox?
07:47:27 <HypnoToad> portable?
07:47:36 <Horusofoz> I wish :)
07:47:57 <HypnoToad> so what were you looking for?
07:48:08 <Horusofoz> General help with it
07:48:35 <Horusofoz> I can't get drives to show in My Computer. I've found a workaround for it though.
07:49:11 <HypnoToad> as in windows as the host?
07:49:20 <HypnoToad> ...or guest?
07:50:14 <Horusofoz> Windows XP host
07:52:30 <HypnoToad> so you're trying to make VBox hard drives show up in "My Computer", correct?
07:53:01 <HypnoToad> btw, what version?
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07:54:21 <Horusofoz> No. I mean no drives at all would show up. I found a workaround using the Save in drop down box. Version 2.2.4, looking forawrd to V3 final though :)
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11:27:40 <rook2pawn> whats the purpose behind portable virtualDub?
11:28:46 <ChrisMorgan> rook2pawn: what exactly do you mean?
11:29:36 <rook2pawn> well, i thought virtualdub doesnt have an installation process
11:31:03 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know about that, but I do know that it's uncommon for an app to work completely portable. Whatever the cause, the PortableApps.com edition introduces the PortableApps.com Format - especially useful for backups.
11:32:37 <ChrisMorgan> Just checking up on what it does, it stores its settings in the registry.
11:33:24 <ChrisMorgan> Our wrapper makes sure that it doesn't leave anything behind on the local machine, or change any settings, and keeps them across machines.
11:33:27 <rook2pawn> Ahh. Thats wierd. Its settings always was in a "vcf" virtualdub configuration file
11:33:49 <rook2pawn> that you had to manually save to a location, and onload, you had to load/browse to the vcf file
11:33:54 <ChrisMorgan> Lack of installation process doesn't mean that it's portable.
11:34:12 <ChrisMorgan> Well the launcher handles backup and restoration of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Freeware
11:34:30 <rook2pawn> oh okay
11:34:50 <ChrisMorgan> And moves VirtualDub.jobs and QuickTime.ini back and forth from the Data directory to the App directory.
11:35:05 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't look like it uses any vcf file.
11:35:16 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe that's some other software, or maybe it's changed.
11:35:35 <rook2pawn> another question:i always get the latest firefox and firefox beta (3.5b_alwayschanging), but when I want opera, i always have to go to opera-usb
11:35:48 <rook2pawn> is someone else doing the opera portableapps?
11:35:52 <ChrisMorgan> Opera is closed source.
11:35:59 <ChrisMorgan> Therefore we haven't been able to do it.
11:36:22 <ChrisMorgan> A PortableApps.com version /may/ come some time, with our freeware support.
11:36:40 <rook2pawn> i see some other types of wrappers like Thinstall handle the Safari browser
11:36:52 <ChrisMorgan> Don't mention Thinstall...
11:36:56 <ChrisMorgan> It is *EVIL*!
11:36:58 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
11:37:11 <rook2pawn> Well, it does leave all kinds of folders i never asked for,everywhere
11:37:38 <ChrisMorgan> To legally use it, you must have forked out a few thousand, and to legally redistribute thinstalled apps, it's something like $30,000 for a license.
11:37:41 <rook2pawn> like in certain %user_environment_variables% like %temp etc
11:37:43 <ChrisMorgan> And it's GPL incompatible
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11:38:17 <rook2pawn> Does portableapps create directories that is not a child in its install path?
11:39:00 <rook2pawn> Ahh, no wonder i had to get it the thinstall safari off anonymous file host
11:39:06 <ChrisMorgan> Some apps, such as things like Songbird and Bonkenc, may use things like X:\Documents\Music (which is sensible) but they'll never leave things where they shouldn't.
11:40:21 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com makes only "stealth" applications; if we can't make an app absolutely perfect, we have to drop it.
11:40:35 <rook2pawn> it has a good name
11:40:41 <rook2pawn> :)
11:40:49 <ChrisMorgan> You mean PortableApps.com?
11:41:29 <rook2pawn> i mean, not how it sounds, but i mean, the branding and confidence
11:41:30 <rook2pawn> etc
11:41:34 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah :-)
11:42:09 <rook2pawn> i think it would be exctiing and would certainly make a splash to do a portable php and portable apache, the way the strawberry team did portable perl and killed Activestate
11:42:42 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I'll tell you of something which I personally am doing: http://code.google.com/p/manta-server
11:43:05 <ChrisMorgan> I actually started doing some real coding work today, beyond just planning.
11:43:54 <rook2pawn> is this a dot net type project?
11:43:59 <ChrisMorgan> Not at all!
11:44:16 <rook2pawn> Ahh
11:44:38 <ChrisMorgan> FYI, we do have a XAMPP Portable launcher at the moment, not in the PortableApps.com Format, but it works perfectly.
11:45:19 <rook2pawn> I have started some work on portable offsite documentation, and a local replacement for online CPAN (Perl archive network)
11:45:34 <rook2pawn> I dont know how to do windows code :(
11:46:07 <ChrisMorgan> Lots of languages to choose from if you like :-)
11:46:26 <rook2pawn> so far, I've succeeded in building modperl from http://perl.apache.org/ to http://modperl.rook2pawn.com
11:46:43 <rook2pawn> along with apache/avisynth/perldoc .rook2pawn.com
11:46:57 <ChrisMorgan> That's a good start I imagine :-)
11:48:16 <rook2pawn> i had a coworker tell me about xampp, and i never understood why it was necessary since the binaries are so easy
11:48:50 <rook2pawn> but, the best portable app ive ever come across was the strawberry perl, as it included the entire gnu32 gcc/g++/make suite
11:49:12 <ChrisMorgan> See also: MinGW Portable
11:49:19 <ChrisMorgan> .pa MinGW Portable Development Test
11:49:29 <ChrisMorgan> .g site:portableapps.com MinGW Portable Development Test
11:49:30 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/18601
11:49:34 <ChrisMorgan> .title
11:49:36 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: MinGW Portable Development Test 5 (formerly MSYS Portable) | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
11:49:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yup, that's the one
11:49:53 <rook2pawn> Although, the only nonportable thing it does is modify the system path to include the /perl/c/bin (it turns out compiling portably, isnt quite a reality, even though people try)
11:50:26 <rook2pawn> Oh wow :) that is awesome
11:50:36 <rook2pawn> I had mirrored mingw locally
11:50:41 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, portable compilers and dynamic languages is always an issue, because the app may not be portable...
11:50:54 <rook2pawn> since their auto mirror script seemed to work out quite right for me
11:51:02 <ChrisMorgan> .ask Gizmokid2005 Could we have .pa for GizmoBot, as pabot has/had?
11:51:03 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: As pabot is currently down, please use MemoServ instead so no .tells are missed. (/msg MemoServ help)
11:51:13 <ChrisMorgan> ARGH! Grrr.
11:51:16 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
11:52:18 <rook2pawn> I find it painful that so much of "cross platform development" has so much work done exclusively on linux
11:52:45 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, but do you blame them?
11:53:00 <rook2pawn> im going to write an article on that :) especially concerning newlines and how standard IO filters can screw things up
11:53:03 <ChrisMorgan> Free. Easier to develop on (because it's normally already there).
11:53:52 <ChrisMorgan> I'm only stuck with Windows as my only choice for one more day, God willing, as my laptop is due to arrive tomorrow so I can install Linux on it as well :-)
11:54:20 <rook2pawn> i find the newline issue to be somethign of paramount importance
11:54:38 <ChrisMorgan> Really? Why?
11:54:43 <rook2pawn> well
11:54:48 <ChrisMorgan> \r\n, \r, \n, what does it matter?
11:55:09 <ChrisMorgan> gVim (Portable, mine) is what I use, it compensates for them all.
11:55:31 <rook2pawn> ive stopped using \r's and \n's and started to use their hex "equivalents"
11:55:41 <rook2pawn> \n being \x0a
11:56:03 <rook2pawn> because \n in any language is converted inot the newline representation by the compiler that is compiled for that OS
11:56:05 <ChrisMorgan> Why? What for?
11:56:16 <rook2pawn> socket / tcp developement
11:56:38 <ChrisMorgan> Not in my experience... afaik e.g. gcc doesn't care about LE
11:57:06 <rook2pawn> but then something tripped me up the other day, and that is how STDIN/OUT's cannot be reliable, in the sense that \x0A can represent \n dependeing on the type of connection into standard pipes
11:57:24 <rook2pawn> i.e. \x0a should never be \n, but should be the RFC NL newline
11:58:02 <rook2pawn> what i discovered is that in the windows IO subsystem, a \x0A if passed in, gets converted into windows newline
11:58:05 <rook2pawn> which means \n
11:58:06 <ChrisMorgan> Well I've never really done any direct socket work, so I've never needed to worry about it.
11:58:29 <rook2pawn> Ah :), im wrting a tutorial about it
11:58:54 <ChrisMorgan> If you use frameworks, other people have had to bother about it and perfected it (in theory) :D
11:58:59 <rook2pawn> anyways, ultimatelty it comes down to if you write in binary mode \x0A, you literally get \x0A
11:59:29 <ChrisMorgan> ":s"
11:59:30 <rook2pawn> and how this kind of distinction is ignored in linux scripts/libraries
11:59:59 <rook2pawn> becuase they just assume binary mode isnt necessary when it "seems that im really passing \x0A" or some other literal hexadecimal
12:00:14 <rook2pawn> but that windows IO does some funky things if you arent watching
12:00:37 <rook2pawn> ive had to disect wikimedia libraries and some perl libraries
12:00:47 <rook2pawn> that were developed in a unix environment
12:01:00 <ChrisMorgan> Fun fun :-)
12:01:11 <rook2pawn> yah, portability is hard
12:01:41 <rook2pawn> i guess you more than anyone should know how much work it is to not take assumptions
12:02:31 <ChrisMorgan> Things like MinGW, wx, GTK+, etc. are useful, but they don't fix it all...
12:03:17 <rook2pawn> Ah, they are noble projects :) as is portableapps :)
12:03:54 <ChrisMorgan> s/portableapps/PortableApps.com/
12:03:56 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
12:05:29 <rook2pawn> Are you with rareIdeas? :) i was looking at the bottom
12:05:42 <ChrisMorgan> I'm a volunteer. My contributions here are just BPBible Portable, Inkscape in Pre-Release, various development tests, and work on the upcoming generic PortableApps.com Launcher
12:06:07 <ChrisMorgan> Only John T. Haller (JohnTHaller in here) is Rare Ideas, LLC.
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12:07:05 <rook2pawn> ahh.. i was looking at the layout
12:07:06 <GizmoBot> sar3th says hello to everyone!
12:07:21 <ChrisMorgan> layout?
12:07:23 <rook2pawn> and i saw powered by Drupal
12:07:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hello to sar3th :-)
12:07:46 <rook2pawn> i couldnt decide on a cms for my website
12:07:50 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, we use Drupal for the site. It does a very nice job :-)
12:08:04 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I've use Drupal for all that I do.
12:08:06 <sar3th> hi ChrisMorgan and rook2pawn :)
12:08:24 <rook2pawn> i looked into apache forest/tomcat, i thought about drupal, possibly zend, ...
12:08:33 <ChrisMorgan> http://chrismorgan.info http://dandenongbec.org.au http://bpbible.com http://christadelphiansindia.com http://watersums.com
12:08:52 <ChrisMorgan> Zend you'd need to make your own site out of it, it's just a [bloated] framework.
12:09:10 <ChrisMorgan> My apps in development include gVim, Code::Blocks, Sweet Home 3D, GanttProject, "and more"
12:10:26 <rook2pawn> Oh wow :) I use gvim portable, but i wondered why its default .vimrc is different then the standard one... also IMO it should have set nowritebackup set noswapfile and set nobackup
12:10:43 <ChrisMorgan> I think then that you're not using my one.
12:11:00 <rook2pawn> watersums is beautiful layout man!
12:11:14 <rook2pawn> wow, how long did that take?
12:11:29 <ChrisMorgan> Well it's just a default theme - danger4k, available at drupal.org/project/danger4k
12:11:47 <ChrisMorgan> My own /replacement/ theme for it is coming very soon, just finishing tweaking it...
12:12:06 <ChrisMorgan> Should be coinciding with WaterSums 1.1's release.
12:12:31 <rook2pawn> Ahh, perhaps i should think about drupal
12:13:01 <ChrisMorgan> My gVim Portable is 7.2, stores settings properly, uses _vimrc (not .vimrc) and copies the default one, and passes -n (no swap files), if you want backup off you can do it :-)
12:13:07 <ChrisMorgan> .def gvim
12:13:08 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: Sorry, but I don't know about gvim
12:13:14 <ChrisMorgan> Oh grr, pabot knew about it...
12:13:30 <ChrisMorgan> .g site:portableapps.com gvim portable development test
12:13:30 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/15654
12:13:32 <ChrisMorgan> .title
12:13:33 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: gVim Portable 7.2 Development Test 3 | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
12:13:37 <rook2pawn> I finally ended up going with mediawiki as bizarre as that may sound
12:14:23 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon that mediawiki just looks either a) horrible or b) common (i.e. monobook)
12:14:26 <rook2pawn> http://wiki.rook2pawn.com/Tutorials:Sockets
12:14:54 <rook2pawn> its wierd, because it combines version control as part of its default interface
12:15:10 <rook2pawn> but there are lots of slightly buggy, but quite working extensions
12:15:47 <rook2pawn> i now know the entire wikipedia looks very shiny on the outside, but is powered by a 2 stroke diesel going uphill
12:15:55 <rook2pawn> but, it still manages to hang on
12:16:35 <rook2pawn> Yeah, it has a very "pale" look
12:17:29 <ChrisMorgan> Drupal has revision control for nodes.
12:17:32 <ChrisMorgan> In the core.
12:18:23 <HypnoToad> Drupal can also be fairly bloated for some things though.
12:18:35 <ChrisMorgan> Is "a 2 stroke diesel going uphill" good or bad?
12:18:39 <HypnoToad> For example, you wouldn't use drupal for just a blog
12:18:46 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: wouldn't you?
12:18:48 <HypnoToad> 2-stroke uphill is bad.
12:19:11 <ChrisMorgan> i.e. "under-powered"/"slow" I presume?
12:19:25 <rook2pawn> I couldnt decide on a blog, so i went with wordpress
12:19:31 <rook2pawn> yes, i dont know my engines :)
12:20:10 <ChrisMorgan> While I'm not a "WordPress WordPress WordPress!" guy, it does seem pretty good. I've never done more than visit a WP-powered site though.
12:20:52 <HypnoToad> its pretty easy to setup and update, plus its smaller than drupal
12:20:53 <sar3th> i tried setting up my own..it is very easy and straightforward to use :)
12:21:00 <sar3th> i highly suggest it for bllogs
12:21:04 <sar3th> *blogs
12:21:16 <HypnoToad> ChrisMorgan: have you ever heard of a kombi (type of car)?
12:21:49 <ChrisMorgan> I'm glad you specified that it was a car... now I know something about it?
12:21:56 <ChrisMorgan> viz, no
12:22:31 <ChrisMorgan> Why exactly are you bringing it up?
12:23:01 <rook2pawn> i found the sites forum-software.org and forummatrix.org really interesting, as they build temporary environments for every forum software there is
12:23:08 <HypnoToad> on the 2-stroke engine matter.
12:23:35 <HypnoToad> Yeah, I played with a WP sandbox for a while before deciding to use it
12:27:27 <sar3th> by the way, this might help deciding what software to use: http://opensourcecms.com/
12:29:38 <rook2pawn> i get a better feeling if i see all kinds of languages in the CMS sandbox
12:30:39 <rook2pawn> like, apache.org has about 3-4 CMS type products that are java based, forum-software.org has some perl products
12:31:06 <rook2pawn> although, the ease of installation on the java based CMS are .. uncomfortably hard
12:31:11 * ChrisMorgan doesn't like Java websites :-)
12:31:39 * sar3th doesn't like java ;P
12:32:13 * ChrisMorgan doesn't mind Java now that he has discovered that Java apps are normally easier to make portable versions of :-)
12:32:54 <rook2pawn> when i first stumbled into having to start compiling some java stuff, i realized how ridiculously bad the Sun Java products page was
12:33:24 <rook2pawn> it was so bad, considering that its Sun
12:35:00 <rook2pawn> although the king of this oxymoron of user-friendlyness is W3's Web Accessibility initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI/
12:54:49 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight guys
12:55:18 <sar3th> sleep well ChrisMorgan
12:55:30 <ChrisMorgan> I'll see if I can oblige ;-)
12:55:37 <rook2pawn> nice talking wiht you :)
12:57:14 <ChrisMorgan> And with you too :)
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13:22:45 <Amanda_> Hi
13:23:30 <Amanda_> I wante to ask about something
13:28:00 <Amanda_> I was on Audacity´s website and I was looking at frequently asked questions. And I did read this question.Someone is selling Audacity on eBay. Is this legal? It is legal to sell Audacity, as long as the seller makes the program and source code available under the GNU General Public License (GPL). I was to belive that GPL was free software.
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13:40:53 <dbdii407> Well...
13:42:30 <Amanda_> I am so confused
13:42:38 <dbdii407> Okay. Probually yes. Open Source technically means no price tag behind it.
13:43:26 <dbdii407> If they are selling the same exact GPL copy of an app for money, than yes. It's illegal.
13:50:34 <Amanda_> So if I understand it right. If they create a some kind Pro version of Audacity. The it is legel to sell
13:50:38 <Amanda_> Or what?
13:52:53 <dbdii407> Don't take me as a "main" resource for these questions. *just so you know. ;)* I believe once a GPL app, always a GPL app unless the creator decides otherwise.
13:54:59 <Amanda_> Thanks I think I understand now
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13:57:31 <dbdii407> Feel free to come back and ask more questions. If you find "JohnTHaller" on this channel, ask him. I believe he's read the entire GPL stuff.
13:58:01 <Amanda_> Next time
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14:35:49 <ZachThibeau> hola
14:40:47 <ZachThibeau> dbdii407: if it's the author selling the product then yes it's legal as long as the source code is reproduced with no strings attached, that ebay link I would consider illegal just fyi ;)
14:41:00 <ZachThibeau> logs :D I love em :D
14:41:46 <dbdii407> ;)
14:41:49 <dbdii407> ZachThibeau, PM?
14:41:55 <ZachThibeau> go ahead
14:42:00 <dbdii407> Gracias.
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15:32:34 <JohnTHaller> hola
15:35:30 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
15:39:19 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
15:40:42 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
15:41:05 <Gizmokid2005> 80F and muggy, but 75F and nice inside :)
15:41:46 <dbdii407> 87 here. :x
15:42:05 <Gizmokid2005> it's supposed to be 88F today and 91F tomorrow
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16:57:20 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: KeePass Portable 1.16: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-22-_keepass_portable_1.16
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17:20:37 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: here is a link to the latest pre-release of DVDStyler http://zachthibeau.com/portableapps/DVDStylerPortable_1.7.2_Pre-Release_2.paf.exe
17:21:04 <JohnTHaller> is it good to go?
17:21:19 <ZachThibeau> I haven't gotten anything bad reported
17:21:29 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I'll release it now.
17:21:34 <ZachThibeau> and the only thing I updated in that atm is just the installer
17:22:46 <JohnTHaller> one note, remember the launcher version is independent of the app version
17:23:17 <ZachThibeau> ok
17:23:43 <JohnTHaller> I have to recompile it to update the ReadINIStrWithDefault library... but it's not a big deal
17:24:24 <ZachThibeau> I'll update my stuff asap with that update
17:26:16 <ZachThibeau> NSISPortable seems ready to go but I'll double check it and see if it uses the ReadINIStrWithDefault library
17:27:51 <ZachThibeau> ok seems I do need to update with that one
17:28:12 <ZachThibeau> other than that people say NSISPortable seems pretty stable
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17:56:37 <pa_0619> Please answer, supports commandline commands portableapps.suite ?
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17:59:11 <pa_0619> Help! Portableapps.com supports a command line?
17:59:43 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0619: most, if not all, of the apps that portableapps.com has support command line input, yes
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18:04:19 <pa_0619> help! What key closes the program? In batch-file: "StartPortableApps.exe-close" (for example)
18:05:02 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0619: just right-click the menu icon in your task tray and choose "exit"
18:07:31 <pa_0619> I know it (click "exit). It is necessary to automate process...
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18:08:37 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: can you answer pa_0619's question?
18:09:21 <JohnTHaller> hey, just got back, what's the question?
18:09:37 <Gizmokid2005> he wants to know if there is a command line switch to close the menu
18:09:42 <Gizmokid2005> [14:07:27] <pa_0619> help! What key closes the program? In batch-file: "StartPortableApps.exe-close" (for example)
18:09:43 <JohnTHaller> ah ok. pa_0619: no there is no command line switch to close the menu
18:09:57 <MaienM> you need to use normal windows commands for that
18:10:02 <JohnTHaller> pa_0619: what are you trying to accomplish with the batch file?
18:10:09 <JohnTHaller> (there may be another way)
18:10:11 <MaienM> if I remember correctly, it should be something like "Exit portableappsmenu.exe"
18:10:47 <JohnTHaller> No, the menu doesn't support closing from an external app at all currently.
18:11:13 <MaienM> that would kill the process so it should work
18:11:34 <MaienM> although it might not archieve the effect that pa_0619 wants
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18:12:27 <MaienM> but there might be/probably is a better way then doing that
18:14:22 <MaienM> killing processes is generally not a good idea as it might have unwanted side effects
18:17:26 <pa_0619> I open the crypted section and then I wish quickly it to close, For this purpose I should close all apps used by me. Portableapps menu I can not close.
18:17:28 <sar3th> sorry to interfere, but isn't he looking for something like startportableapps.exe -closemenu, which tells the menu to cleanly exit
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18:38:49 <AppGuy> MaienM: Has anyone told you that there seems to be a problem with Mana World in appinfo.ini?
18:39:11 <MaienM> AppGuy: nope, what is the problem?
18:40:16 <AppGuy> one, the website is wrong, and two is that in the control section you have Start:TMWPortable.exe
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18:41:27 <MaienM> hmm... lemme take a look
18:41:47 <JohnTHaller> AppGuy: get rev 2, it fixes the Start=
18:41:56 <AppGuy> k thx
18:41:57 <JohnTHaller> that was my fault
18:43:31 <MaienM> and the website being wrong.... I guess you need to setup a path redirect JohnTHaller?
18:44:10 <AppGuy> well the website is different from what is says on the splash
18:44:14 <MaienM> although in the appinfo.ini it should probably be changed from "Homepage=http://www.PortableApps.com/TMWPortable"; to "Homepage=PortableApps.com/TheManaWorldPortable"
18:44:27 <JohnTHaller> ... done
18:44:50 <JohnTHaller> oh app info has that as the homepage? hmm. that's not what's in the splash
18:45:20 <JohnTHaller> ok, added that one too just in case
18:46:05 <andreasma> hi
18:46:14 <MaienM> thanks JohnTHaller :)
18:46:39 <andreasma> JohnTHaller, is there something new about JavaPortable?
18:47:29 <JohnTHaller> not yet
18:47:38 <andreasma> :-(
18:47:51 <JohnTHaller> there are about 100 other things going on
18:48:05 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: both incorrectly redirect to "http://portableapps.com/apps/games/the_mana_word_portable"; (as opposed to "http://portableapps.com/apps/games/the_mana_worLd_portable")
18:48:10 <andreasma> Did you plan something in the nearer future?
18:48:26 <MaienM> so, you missed the L in world in the redirects
18:49:13 <JohnTHaller> did you edit the page at all?
18:49:14 <andreasma> JohnTHaller, I'll present OOoP at the LinuxTag in Berlin on Friday morning.
18:49:45 <JohnTHaller> Oh on Friday morning?
18:49:53 <JohnTHaller> Damn, that's right.
18:49:56 <andreasma> yes, in two days.
18:50:01 <JohnTHaller> Check in with me tomorrow and I'll have something for you
18:50:10 <andreasma> Thanks
18:50:59 <andreasma> JohnTHaller, it's enough, if I could promise something to the people ;-)
18:52:55 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: in case you misunderstood me, which I think you did, I meant, http://portableapps.com/TMWPortable redirects to http://portableapps.com/apps/games/the_mana_word_portable (notice the absence of the L in world in that last link)
18:53:33 <JohnTHaller> MaienM: Ah, fixed
18:53:42 <JohnTHaller> andreasma: I'll have something for you to demo by tomrrow :-)
18:53:56 <Bensawsome> yes my new laptop and ipod been shipped :D
18:54:00 <MaienM> thanks :)
18:54:03 <andreasma> JohnTHaller, great
18:54:11 <Bensawsome> oh sry >_>
18:55:04 <AppGuy> what is the point of having the website in appinfo.ini?
18:56:56 <JohnTHaller> It'll be used in the platform later
18:57:26 <AppGuy> aw thought so
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19:02:08 <Cool-Guy> Hi John
19:02:12 <Cool-Guy> I need some help
19:03:00 * Cool-Guy slaps JohnTHaller around a bit with a large fishbot
19:03:09 <Cool-Guy> sorry
19:03:14 <Cool-Guy> wrong button
19:03:19 <Cool-Guy> Dit not mean to
19:05:19 <JohnTHaller> sup
19:05:29 <Cool-Guy> Can I ask you something
19:05:54 <Cool-Guy> I am kinda freaked out about something
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19:06:15 <JohnTHaller> sup
19:06:35 <Cool-Guy> I was on Audacity´s website and I was looking at frequently asked questions. And I did read this question.Someone is selling Audacity on eBay. Is this legal?  It is legal to sell Audacity, as long as the seller makes the program and source code available under the GNU General Public License (GPL). I was to belive that GPL was free software. I am so confused
19:07:46 <JohnTHaller> Yes, you can sell GPL software: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLRequireAvailabilityToPublic
19:08:33 <Cool-Guy> What
19:08:35 <Cool-Guy> why
19:08:50 <Cool-Guy> Does it not say that people can not
19:09:04 <Cool-Guy> That it has to be free
19:09:15 <Cool-Guy> wrong
19:09:19 <Cool-Guy> I MEAN
19:09:22 <Cool-Guy> I mean
19:09:43 <Cool-Guy> Does it not say that it can not be sold
19:10:17 <JohnTHaller> Read the FAQ
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19:10:41 <GizmoBot> OliverK was fragged, forgive his mind be scattered . . .
19:13:07 <Cool-Guy> Now I scared of downloading any GPL software.
19:13:43 <JohnTHaller> Um, why?
19:14:28 <Cool-Guy> Dont wanna be stuck with a fee and paymates
19:14:34 <JohnTHaller> Anyone is allowed to charge a fee for GPLed software. But you have to follow the GPL and also distribute the source. And give the user the rights to redistribute (for whatever fee they want).
19:14:54 <ZachThibeau> well gpl software can be sold by the author as long as the source code is provided freely but not sold by a third party rep afaik
19:14:57 <JohnTHaller> Someone can't turn around and force you to pay for a pieve of GPL software you already have.
19:15:26 <JohnTHaller> It can be sold by a third party, unless they're violating trademarks or not offering the source.
19:16:06 <OliverK> at which point you can just track down a free version :D.
19:17:10 <MaienM> people can charge your for getting GPL'ed software from them, but they can't force you to pay for it.... so if they ask money for it, just get it from a alternative source and you're fine
19:18:58 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: mind if we update the dvdstyler logo from http://portableapps.com/apps/music_video/dvdstyler_portable to this one http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/zachhudock/images/images/my_images/dvdstyler_2.png since this is the new one dvdstyler uses on their site and their appliation
19:22:53 <Cool-Guy> I dont really understand what you mean with (so if they ask money for it, just get it from a alternative source and you're fine) Do you mean If they ask me for money. I can just delete the software?
19:23:34 <ZachThibeau> it means because it's open-source software you can find another source of the application from another site that offers it for free
19:23:58 <Cool-Guy> like PortableApps?
19:24:03 <MaienM> so say, site X.com charges 10$ for the software, but site Y.com offers it for free
19:24:46 <MaienM> if you would download it from site Y.com, you don't pay anything and site X.com cannot make you pay
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19:26:04 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: done
19:26:14 <ZachThibeau> awesome
19:26:26 <Cool-Guy> Good that Portableapps.com is here to give free software
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19:34:31 <OliverK> MaienM: congrats on Mana World
19:35:10 <MaienM> :)
19:36:19 <daBomb69> MaienM: Good job on tmw
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19:41:55 <Cool-Guy> So I can download software freely from PortableApps. Without being worried?
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19:42:42 <OliverK> absoloutely Cool-Guy
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19:44:06 <Cool-Guy> Thanks. I did really did missunderstand before. And got all freaked out.
19:44:59 <OliverK> no worries. that's what we're here for
19:45:46 <Cool-Guy> Good. Thanks for being here. I would be lost otherwise
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20:03:46 <AppGuy_> This is PChat
20:03:50 <SergentSiler> :D
20:04:00 <ZachThibeau> so it works for you AppGuy_?
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20:04:52 <AppGuy_> yes but it must use the xchat settings because i have it installed and it is using those settings because i auto logs in
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20:06:32 <ZachThibeau> yes but you should be able to make a a folder beside PChat.exe called config and it should save it's settings there
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20:06:59 <AppGuy> so it is somewhat portable you say
20:07:28 <ZachThibeau> yeah somewhat
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20:07:39 <ZachThibeau> I need to fix a few things to make it natively portable though
20:09:15 <ZachThibeau> AppGuy: mind creating the folder as I said and give it a launch to see if it works
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20:09:43 <ZachThibeau> I guess not
20:09:49 <AppGuy_> :(
20:10:08 <ZachThibeau> hmm well it's something I should fix in the next release :)
20:10:18 <AppGuy> yes sir it is
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20:10:58 <ZachThibeau> possibly make it save natively in a variable that a portableapps.com launcher can get a hold of and redirect it
20:11:12 <AppGuy> yeah and i'd have to say i like the interface though, different icons and progress bars
20:11:57 <ZachThibeau> well in that release I didn't give it a gtk theme but next release will have the wimp theme which will give it a windows app look instead of the default gtk look
20:13:15 <AppGuy> it looks cool though
20:14:05 <ZachThibeau> thanks :)
20:14:20 <ZachThibeau> really my first time working with gtk stuff on windows
20:17:48 <ZachThibeau> so far in my time with porting gtk apps to windows using mingw came a long way :)
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20:25:30 <ZachThibeau> so MaienM has the euphoria set in about your released app :P
20:26:06 <MaienM> one sec, lemme lookup that word before I answer :P
20:26:13 <ZachThibeau> xD
20:26:18 <ZachThibeau> meaning excitment :P
20:26:27 <MaienM> oh, yes :P
20:26:30 <ZachThibeau> :P
20:26:36 <MaienM> brb, need to print some essays for school
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20:58:19 <Simeon> Is John here?
20:58:23 <Simeon> Hi All
20:59:59 <Simeon> JohnTHaller: I think there should be a note "do not auto-update!" on Thunderbird's new release page like theone Firefox has.
21:00:08 <Simeon> Someone already complained...
21:01:52 <Simeon> Oh and thanks for the avalanche of updates!!!
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21:03:18 <Simeon> Congrats on the App MainenM!
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21:07:09 <MaienM> thanks Simeon :)
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21:10:58 <Simeon> bye
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21:24:11 <DaveDixonII> About time. Got lightscreen PR2 out
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21:45:52 <pa_3551> are going to make a portable FormatFactory
21:47:34 <daBomb69> pa_3551: Theres a launcher for it somewhere in the beta forums
21:47:57 <daBomb69> But it's not Sipported by PA.c
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21:55:04 <MaienM> test?
21:55:18 <MaienM> whoops, sorry :(
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22:07:43 <JacobMastel> Hi all
22:07:57 <SergentSiler> ello JacobMastel
22:08:08 <JacobMastel> How goes it Serg?
22:09:28 <SergentSiler> good
22:11:49 <dbdii407> Hi JacobMastel
22:11:56 <JacobMastel> What's up Dave?
22:12:01 <MaienM> oh, hello JacobMastel
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22:12:40 <dbdii407> Nothing much. Finishing my server bot. Waiting for KevinPorter so i can start my stupid server meeting,......
22:23:22 * JacobMastel is looking for a good free DVD ripper
22:24:28 <SergentSiler> bittorrent >_>
22:24:29 <SergentSiler> <_<
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22:24:35 <SergentSiler> lol jk
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22:46:44 <pa_1943> are going to make FormatFactory a portable app
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22:48:57 <MaienM> .... I was just about to answer, 2 minutes is not enough if they don't provide us with any information about the app -_-
22:49:03 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> MaienM: I concur
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22:49:25 <Gizmokid2005> new build of kvirc. Looks like it's time to update :)
22:49:31 <SergentSiler> btw
22:49:39 <SergentSiler> that pa_xxxx asked that about an hour ago
22:49:46 <MaienM> yeah
22:49:48 <SergentSiler> he got an answer
22:49:50 <SergentSiler> :/
22:50:03 <MaienM> but the answer he got wasn't really helpful imho
22:50:10 <SergentSiler> this is true
22:50:16 <MaienM> it was close to "use the search function"
22:50:24 <SergentSiler> ya :P
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22:52:45 <HypnoToad> anything happening?
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22:53:17 <SergentSiler> wtf is it with people today o_O?
22:53:56 <SergentSiler> "ohai *quit*"
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23:50:11 <GizmoBot> MaienM is teh awesome!!
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23:54:49 <JohnTHaller> hola
23:55:18 <dabomb69> Hi JohnTHaller
23:56:05 <JohnTHaller> anything super-exciting up in here?
23:56:15 <dabomb69> Nope
23:56:49 <ZachThibeau> well if you count dabomb69 in and out's exciting...
23:57:32 <dabomb69> ZachThibeau: Ar lease I ha e no type problems here :d
23:57:48 <ZachThibeau> or not ;)
23:58:15 <ZachThibeau> I'm sorry but you just failed yourself there :P
23:58:20 <dabomb69> Meebe IRS cause u habdht talked here yet :)
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23:59:04 <dabomb69> Erm
23:59:11 <SergentSiler> teh failz
23:59:16 <dabomb69> That we'd a dual
23:59:24 <SergentSiler> teh failz x2
23:59:34 <dabomb69> Yarly
23:59:38 <dabomb69> Yet
23:59:40 <dabomb69> Ni
23:59:48 <SergentSiler> teh failz x3
23:59:49 <dabomb69> Duck