IRC Log from 2009-06-29

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01:07:50 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com
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02:15:49 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is annoyed that GizmoBot has to announce him - RMCCUE! WHERE'S PABOT?
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02:23:39 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
02:23:39 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
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02:25:49 <ChrisMorgan> "mibuser" is trying to fool me into thinking he's TimClark...
02:25:59 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: how do you know he isn't?
02:26:14 <ChrisMorgan> He's not acting at all like Tim would, and isn't identified
02:26:23 <daBomb69> ChrisMorgan, the nick is mibuser?
02:26:35 <ChrisMorgan> yeah
02:26:37 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: it is in fact TimClark.
02:26:39 <Gizmokid2005> trust me.
02:26:47 <Gizmokid2005> I've been talking to him on/off for the last few days
02:26:53 <Gizmokid2005> it is him, and I am talking to him now.
02:27:00 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005, are you 100% sure?
02:27:04 <Gizmokid2005> Yes.
02:27:05 <ChrisMorgan> Well if he is, he's not behaving at all like Tim would.
02:27:07 <Gizmokid2005> I will stake my life on it.
02:27:09 <ChrisMorgan> Or rather, as Tim /does/
02:27:35 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005, how long has tim been using the nick mibuser?
02:27:44 <Gizmokid2005> basically since mibbit was killed.
02:28:07 <daBomb69> wow... tim's gotten ruder
02:28:38 <ChrisMorgan> I've asked him to identify; if he does, I will apologise, but otherwise, I still am not confident.
02:28:47 <SergentSiler> wow
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02:30:46 <ChrisMorgan> At the moment I'm remaining uncertain, and so taking no action.
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02:32:17 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com
02:32:24 <Whibo> omg
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02:32:51 <GizmoBot> pabot is the good old bot of #portableapps
02:33:02 <Gizmokid2005> wow, welcome back pabot
02:33:07 <pabot> hi
02:33:10 <daBomb69> pabot!
02:33:12 <ChrisMorgan> That IP mask looks wrong...
02:33:17 <pabot> ;p
02:33:18 <ChrisMorgan> pabot: identify yourself.
02:33:19 <pabot> lol
02:33:19 <Gizmokid2005> yeah it does.
02:33:20 <Gizmokid2005> it is
02:33:21 <daBomb69> ya...
02:33:34 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005, is GizmoBot supposed to do def's twice?
02:33:35 <ChrisMorgan> It's not Australian, for starters, and it's not unidentified/rmccue/bot/pabot
02:33:51 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: it's a bug in phenny, sometimes it does, sometimes not.
02:33:57 <daBomb69> oh, ok
02:33:59 <ChrisMorgan> Whibo: please keep off pabot's nick
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02:34:31 <dbdii407> Chat Information - All technicians are currently assisting other customers. Thanks for your patience. A technician will be with you shortly.
02:34:41 <dbdii407> 30 minutes later...
02:34:42 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: sorry if I'm not confident in what you're saying, but mibuser just isn't acting like I've known TimClark to. The message is not dissimilar, but the delivery technique is not normal...
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02:35:08 <daBomb69> <mutter>And he's rather rude</mutter>
02:35:13 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: no need to apologize, believe what you will. To each their own.
02:35:31 <Gizmokid2005> Whibo: please do NOT do that again.
02:35:43 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't had enough evidence to convince me properly.
02:36:22 <ChrisMorgan> And the real name thing comes up weirdly, not a proper host (a freenode web thing problem I presume)
02:36:36 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: it is. that's how they do it now.
02:37:04 <ChrisMorgan> I mean it's getting chopped off at the /12. bit, which I presume means that it displays host/ip.add.re.ss, and it's getting trimmed.
02:38:29 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, the address matches that theorem.
02:38:59 <Gizmokid2005> it does, and if you were so inclined, you'd note that it is almost identical to the address Tim usually uses, and is also based out of Chicago, which is where he's from.
02:39:35 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005, you do realize theres LOTS of people who live in Chicago... don't you?
02:40:16 <ChrisMorgan> The problem is that I don't know where Tim lives.
02:40:17 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: what is the likelihood that someone in chicago, on dialup like tim, would talk to someone on IRC such as ChrisMorgan and myself...Honestly. Oh, and know that much about PortableApps.
02:40:29 <ChrisMorgan> Come to think of it, I'll take a look in the logs, see if it matches that...
02:40:36 <daBomb69> Gizmokid2005, probally any nerd with a flash drive
02:40:44 <daBomb69> on a budget
02:40:49 <Gizmokid2005> daBomb69: doubtful, the odds are way against it...
02:40:51 <ChrisMorgan> I think it is likely him, with your assurance, but not certain yet.
02:42:31 <ChrisMorgan> Grr... all you get in the logs is i=0c49f098@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9d8355c431f2ffbf...
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02:42:54 <timclark> are you happy now
02:43:04 <ChrisMorgan> OK, hey Tim; I'm satisfied you're you :-)
02:43:15 <daBomb69> oh crap... it was tim...
02:43:20 <timclark> i am not satifiied with you
02:43:24 <daBomb69> Sorry Tim :(
02:43:34 <ChrisMorgan> I'm sorry that I didn't believe you, but you weren't behaving the way you normally do.
02:43:38 <timclark> i meant chris
02:43:52 <daBomb69> timclark, ya, but im appoligizing b4 u read the logs
02:43:55 <Gizmokid2005> I have no reason to lie to any of you, nothing to gain from it, personally or professionally...
02:43:57 <ChrisMorgan> I think that I was justified in not believing you.
02:44:08 <timclark> the request i made of you , in private, to a fellow op was reasonble
02:44:23 <ChrisMorgan> No, I didn't expect you to be lying, Gizmokid2005, but I wasn't convinced enough.
02:44:30 <timclark> i should not have had to deal with this freenode crap to make a request
02:44:35 <ChrisMorgan> timclark: perhaps so, but your greeting was unlike you.
02:44:51 <ChrisMorgan> Please don't swear, daBomb69 (before) and timclark...
02:45:22 <timclark> ChrisMorgan: get over yourself please
02:45:47 <daBomb69> is that word even srsly considered a swear word?
02:45:50 <timclark> my greeting was responded to , by you with doubt
02:46:02 <Gizmokid2005> no, it isn't daBomb69, but it isn't highly looked upon either.
02:46:06 <daBomb69> ok
02:46:48 <timclark> anyway, ChrisMorgan you gizmobot def is rude and obnious and you should change it, i tried to tell you that in private, I am now out of here
02:47:49 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: I'd say it is. But let's rest that.
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02:48:44 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think it's rude or obnoxious, but it was created when pabot was expected to still be there most of the time. Yesterday I thought about updating it now that GizmoBot seems to me more permanent, but I didn't do it. I'm about to do it now.
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03:23:24 <SergentSiler> oh noez! gizmobot D:
03:23:28 <Bensawsome> lol
03:23:35 <SergentSiler> :P
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03:24:17 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
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03:25:52 <SergentSiler> there itis :D
03:25:57 <SergentSiler> it is*
03:26:41 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
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05:09:04 <pa_4738> hi could some one please guide me.
05:09:40 <pa_4738> it's about this ignorning error. ERROR: No help.html in E:\Documents\Opera. ERROR: AppInfo.ini - Control - Start is missing.
05:10:38 <pa_4738> so what should I do about it?
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05:17:00 <pa_4738> anyone?
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05:24:20 <pa_4738> hello
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05:52:01 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... ah well :P
05:52:15 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> lol yup
05:52:28 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> i /really/ can't stand sleeplessness.
05:52:53 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think I would have wanted to help either... there's no reason to bundle up Opera, and it wouldn't be properly legal.
05:53:20 <ChrisMorgan> All I could have said is follow the PAF specs, but careful of licensing.
05:53:28 <ChrisMorgan> And also put it in PortableApps rather than Documents :P
05:53:44 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> lol
05:54:00 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> I would've just said to watch whats going on, we can't support illegal activities ;)
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07:06:23 <ChrisMorgan> Uh oh... I think Tim's not in a particularly good mood :-( - http://portableapps.com/node/19776
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09:27:43 <MaienM> yeah, I would say so ChrisMorgan :P
09:28:17 <MaienM> can't blame him for it tho, people need to learn a bit of patience sometimes
09:42:41 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: he called me up about it privately, and I've slightly revised my opinion; among other things, it was a thought out and planned response (and discussed with Gizmo).
09:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> Ahh... around 6 hours after starting to copy everything (6.5GB, ~7000 files) from my USB disk to my laptop, it's finally only got about half an hour to go... *sigh*
09:43:59 <MaienM> good luck with that :P
09:44:07 <ChrisMorgan> s/half an hour/40 minutes/ as it increases again... :P
09:44:21 <MaienM> I regulary have that when I need to move some stuff to my external
09:44:23 <ChrisMorgan> s/7000/70000/g
09:44:49 <ChrisMorgan> The Documents and Downloads were fast... it's the PortableApps directory which is slower...
09:45:03 <ChrisMorgan> ARGH! It's up to an hour again :D
09:45:17 <ChrisMorgan> Well, it actually peaked at 59 minutes and 50 seconds :P
09:49:30 <MaienM> fun, fun :P
09:51:02 <ChrisMorgan> I can sense that my vested interest is going to decline here now that I've got a laptop of my own...
09:51:07 <ChrisMorgan> I intend to keep it up though :-)
09:52:07 <MaienM> I seem to manage ;)
09:52:39 <MaienM> considering I haven't been using windows as my primary os for about 7-8 months now ;)
09:55:30 <ChrisMorgan> Really rather impressive :-)
09:55:50 <ChrisMorgan> I've installed Ubuntu, but given what I use, I doubt that I'll be switching over to using it as my main OS for at least quite some time.
09:56:31 <MaienM> well, I was sick and tired of windows for a while when I decided to switch to ubuntu, so for me there basically was no going back :P
09:56:59 <ChrisMorgan> Whereas I've still got lots of things I use Windows for... hmm... what are they!? ;-)
09:57:07 <MaienM> the way I used my pc (downloading stuff, no virus scanner, never cleaning up, etc) basically meant that I had to reinstall after about 3 months :P
09:57:22 <ChrisMorgan> Testing WaterSums for Dad! That's one. It won't work in Linux as it's .NET 1.1 and Silverlight.
09:57:22 <MaienM> else I'd get multiple BSODs a day :(
09:57:58 <MaienM> I use wine + windows in a vm to do all my testing, and that works fine ;)
09:58:04 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... this calibre thing looks quite nice.
09:59:44 <ChrisMorgan> That was one of the fastest hours I've had for a while ;-)
10:00:14 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just finding it /soooo/ fast on this laptop. a) faster processor (T8300 vs. Athlon XP 2000+), b) more memory (2GB vs. 386MB), c) faster disk (not a slow USB drive), etc...
10:00:28 <ChrisMorgan> I'm drunk with the speed of it all ;-)
10:00:40 <ChrisMorgan> Don't quote the first two words out of context :P
10:00:40 <MaienM> yeah, I can imagine that makes quite a big difference :P
10:01:05 <MaienM> :O ChrisMorgan is DRUNK!!! :O :P
10:01:57 <ChrisMorgan> http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/download_windows - "While you wait for the download to complete, please consider donating to support the development of calibre." They must've chosen a slow server so people'd have time, this is a slow download... only a couple of hundred KB per second!
10:08:00 <ChrisMorgan> Frontline news in the PortableApps.com Happenings: "Chris Morgan admits drunkenness!"
10:08:02 <ChrisMorgan> :o
10:08:23 <ChrisMorgan> Shocked murmurs all around... ;-)
10:11:06 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... calibre appears to be a Qt app, got Qt registry keys
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10:11:57 <ChrisMorgan> HKCU\Software\Trolltech\OrganizationDefaults\Qt Factory Cache 4.4\com.trolltech.Qt.QtIconEngineFactoryInterface:\C:\Program Files\Calibre - interesting makeup...
10:12:04 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly the installer though
10:12:44 <ChrisMorgan> Nah, don't think so, it uses a subkey "iconengines" which has a "qsvgicon4.dll" value.
10:13:10 <ChrisMorgan> And a few others in the Factory Cache key
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11:50:51 <Bensawsome> LOL i love tims modifications to that post :D
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12:48:15 <dbdii407> Eric <SNREMOVED>: I know right now it set to the lowest speeds so I can change it to a faster setup. The only problem with that is the quality of service may not be as good and then you may have trouble connecting, but we can change it back if needed.
12:48:18 <dbdii407> You guys are suck retards..... :|
12:48:22 <dbdii407> such*
12:48:39 <Oni-Neoxes> o-o?
12:48:46 <Oni-Neoxes> dbdii407: what world are you in
12:48:54 <dbdii407> Internet Provider Support
12:49:39 <Oni-Neoxes> .o twitter Sourceforge
12:49:41 <GizmoBot> <@sourceforge> Thank you, all! SourceForge Community Reaches 4 Billionth Download http://ow.ly/g3Lq (http://twitter.com/sourceforge/statuses/2386866278)
12:49:43 <Oni-Neoxes> :D
12:49:52 <dbdii407> 2.27Mbps now! Used to be 0.87
12:49:53 <dbdii407> :D
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12:56:32 <Rodney_> Hi I wante to ask about Java Portable. I did install it on my USB Flash Drive. And My java apps dont work.It ask for the real java
12:56:51 <ChrisMorgan> Rodney_: they won't be configured to look for it.
12:57:12 <ChrisMorgan> Do you launch them as exe files?
12:58:02 <ChrisMorgan> Take a read of my post at http://portableapps.com/node/19766#comment-121767, it should help.
12:59:06 <ChrisMorgan> While most settings are stored in the user.home variable, do note that it's not foolproof; Sweet Home 3D Portable has to manage the registry as well.
12:59:32 <ChrisMorgan> So to do it properly, it'll take a bit of effort.
13:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> Got that, Rodney_?
13:01:11 <Rodney_> I am gonna try. thanks
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13:43:14 <SteveLamerton> Hello al
13:43:16 <SteveLamerton> *all
13:43:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Steve.
13:43:20 <ChrisMorgan> Bye Steve.
13:43:37 <Bensawsome> w00t go internets: http://www.speedtest.net/result/506212395.png
13:44:02 <SteveLamerton> Bye ChrisMorgan
13:44:13 <Bensawsome> cya chris
13:44:16 <SteveLamerton> Lucky you Bensawsome
13:44:30 <Bensawsome> lol its not mine its my works. but still WOW XD
13:44:47 <Bensawsome> mine is around.... 30 mb dl and like 5 mb up i think
13:44:53 * Bensawsome looks for old tests
13:45:16 <SteveLamerton> Tbe fastest you can get where I live is 8mb down, 0.5mb up, which is what I have
13:46:04 <Bensawsome> shoot... i lost all my old tests... :(
13:47:10 <ChrisMorgan> OK, really bye now. 11:51pm here... I dunno how it gets so late :P
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13:52:13 <Bensawsome> wow that is late O_O
13:52:18 <Bensawsome> well for chris atleast
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14:04:12 <GizmoBot> sar3th says hello to everyone!
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14:19:10 <JohnTHaller> hola
14:19:13 <MaienM> hello JohnTHaller
14:19:23 <daBomb69> Hi JohnTHaller
14:20:53 <sar3th> hey JohnTHaller
14:21:48 <JohnTHaller> We were SourceForge's 4 billionth download :-) http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-software/20090629/SF3921229062009-1.html
14:22:27 <Bensawsome> OMG really?!
14:23:09 <Oni-Neoxes> WOO!
14:24:09 <Oni-Neoxes> "PortableApps.com receives a trip to the OSCON conference in San Jose, July 21-25, and to SourceForge's Community Choice Awards ceremony on July 23. "
14:24:10 <Oni-Neoxes> Niiice
14:30:10 * Bensawsome high fives JohnTHaller n
14:30:20 <Bensawsome> damn that awesome :D
14:34:15 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I was pretty psyched about it.
14:34:34 <JohnTHaller> Lots of other open source projects will be there, so I'm gonna work on getting them all on-board with PortableApps.com Format :-)
14:36:35 <Oni-Neoxes> JohnTHaller: you win
14:36:44 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller=Win
14:36:48 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller>Win
14:37:30 <Oni-Neoxes> JohnTHaller>Chuck Norris, Billy Mays, Weegee, Tails Doll, Anything else
14:37:42 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller > *
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14:47:40 <pa_9380> hi can someone please help me with portableapp.installer
14:48:14 <Oni-Neoxes> What seems to be the problem?
14:48:23 <JohnTHaller> howdy pa_9380. sure, what
14:48:25 <JohnTHaller> s the problem
14:48:26 <pa_9380> I'm trying to install a software into my usb.
14:49:04 <pa_9380> and I keep on getting this error.
14:49:23 <JohnTHaller> Which software and what is the error?
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14:50:08 <Simeon> hI aLL!
14:51:14 <JohnTHaller> hi Simeon
14:51:57 <pa_9380> the error is:
14:52:00 <ZachThibeau> howdy Simeon Support in progress
14:52:07 <Simeon> ok
14:54:32 <pa_9380> before releasing this application, please be sure to create a set of proper icons in App\AppInfo.
14:55:09 <JohnTHaller> ah yes.
14:55:47 <JohnTHaller> You need an icon in ICO format for current versions of the Platform. And we're moving to PNG icons as part of the next version which are also used by the installer to show the app's icon as part of the install.
14:56:05 <JohnTHaller> Complete details are here:
14:56:05 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format#icons
14:56:07 <pa_9380> ERROR: No help.html in E:\App\AppInfo. ERROR: AppInfo.ini - Control - Start is missing.
14:56:45 <Simeon> Sorry to chime in like that but shouldnt the helpfile be in the main folder?
14:57:17 <JohnTHaller> You should really read through that whole PortableApps.com Format spec to get the overview. You need a help.html in the app's root AppNamePortable (the menu will be using it starting in 1.6). And the entries in AppInfo.ini tell the Platform what the app is, how to start it, etc.
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14:59:02 <pa_9380> i'm sorry I don't understand what it means.
14:59:19 <pa_9380> could you please cleaify to me. Thanks
14:59:45 <Simeon> what exactly?
15:01:03 <pa_9380> about the error. What does it mean to Within the AppNamePortable\App\AppInfo directory, the icons used by the PortableApps.com Installer and within the PortableApps.com Menu are located. The icons are included in ICO and PNG format. The main icon is called appicon.ico, appicon_16.png and appicon_32.png. If the application also uses multiple icons (as detailed above), these additional icons are named as appicon1.ico (appicon
15:02:51 <pa_9380> do I need to change or configure it. In order to work it.
15:02:54 <JohnTHaller> Read through it all. In your AppNamePortable directory, you need certain files. Within AppNamePortable\App\Appname, for instance, you need appinfo.ini with all the details of your app (name, how it starts, etc). You also need the icons that will be shown in the installer and in the menu to the user. One is appicon.ico in Windows ICO format. The others are appicon_16.png and appicon_32.png, in PNG format 16x16 and 32x32 siz
15:03:25 <pa_9380> do you mean windows iso format
15:03:34 <pa_9380> >
15:03:40 <JohnTHaller> You need all those things for your app to be in PortableApps.com Format. Then you can use the installer.
15:03:49 <pa_9380> I'm just rying it to install opera into my usb drivers.
15:03:58 <pa_9380> using the installer app
15:04:01 <JohnTHaller> No. ICO is a Windows icon. You can use something like http://icofx.ro/
15:04:20 <JohnTHaller> The installer does not make something portable. It lets you package things in our format.
15:04:40 <Simeon> gotta go - seeya later
15:04:47 <pa_9380> oh thanks
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15:05:08 <pa_9380> so icofx needs to be install. Then I have to look for a opera icon.
15:05:10 <pa_9380> i see
15:05:20 <pa_9380> and change the director.
15:05:25 <pa_9380> is that correct?
15:05:52 <JohnTHaller> Yes.
15:06:06 <JohnTHaller> But if you're just doing this for yourself, using Opera@USB would probably be easiest,
15:08:10 <pa_9380> where do I find this Opera@usb software only using .msi?
15:08:14 <pa_9380> not .exe
15:08:17 <pa_9380> format?
15:08:48 <daBomb69> why exactly would you want it in .msi and not .exe?
15:08:53 <JohnTHaller> MSI isn't portable
15:09:20 <pa_9380> then what is?
15:09:52 <Oni-Neoxes> pa_9380: How about Zip?
15:09:59 <pa_9380> by, the way portable.app is it right for me ? Becasue as again I'm just trying to install a sfotware that probaly
15:10:19 <pa_9380> sometimes isn't open sources.
15:10:36 <pa_9380> sorry it's my first time. And by myself figure out
15:10:53 <pa_9380> how to get this working correctly.
15:11:09 <Oni-Neoxes> It's okay. Everyone Starts out somewhere
15:11:19 <pa_9380> but, with portableapp.install do I need NSIS
15:11:22 <pa_9380> or not?
15:12:15 <Oni-Neoxes> hmm
15:12:49 <pa_9380> is there like a viedo about easy how to install portableapp.installer to my usb
15:13:15 <Oni-Neoxes> "Proven NSIS installer core"
15:13:33 <Oni-Neoxes> NSIS built in for the installer file?
15:14:39 <pa_9380> is there a tutoral about the portableapp.installer
15:15:01 <pa_9380> so I could easly understand what I need to do.
15:16:02 <JohnTHaller> pa_9380: not yet
15:16:11 <sar3th> pa_9380: to clarify this: the portableapps installer is for creating a installer your own portableapps
15:16:17 <JohnTHaller> The best thing is to read through the PA.c Format Spec. Get your app in that format. Then use the installer.
15:17:42 <Oni-Neoxes> wait... hold on.re-reading the logs I think I got something
15:18:06 <Oni-Neoxes> pa_9380: are you trying to make a portableapp for online or are you just trying to install Opera onto your USB?
15:23:53 <pa_9380> trying to install Opera onto my usb
15:23:58 <Oni-Neoxes> oh
15:24:24 <Oni-Neoxes> Thing is. Opera@USB is portable already.
15:24:33 <Oni-Neoxes> No need to make it install
15:24:37 <sar3th> "Extract the file directly onto your USB Device or Harddisk - That's all !"
15:24:41 <sar3th> http://opera-usb.com/
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15:51:03 <JohnTHaller> Hey anybody with Java Portable installed wanna test something before I set it live?
15:51:29 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: sure
15:51:43 <ZachThibeau> yeah sure
15:52:04 <ZachThibeau> I'll test wine side since I'm already on my *nix partition
15:52:06 <Gizmokid2005> RSSOwl currently runs off it so always :)
15:52:10 <JohnTHaller> Ok... http://portableapps.com/temp/JavaPortableLauncher_1.0_INTERNALTEST.paf.exe
15:52:45 <Gizmokid2005> Ok.
15:52:46 <Gizmokid2005> installed
15:53:06 <JohnTHaller> It's a simple launcher to run JAR files using Java Portable. If you pass the file in from the commandline (say by dragging and dropping the JAR onto the JavaPortableLauncher.exe file, it'll run automatically). If you run Java Portable Launcher directly or from the PA.c Menu, it'll prompt you to select a JAR to run.
15:54:27 <ZachThibeau> installed too,
15:54:31 * ZachThibeau finds a jar file
15:54:47 <JohnTHaller> heh, I had the same issue.
15:55:07 <Gizmokid2005> RSSOwl has some
15:55:17 <Gizmokid2005> but if you launch it it'll leave droppings in your puter
15:55:18 <Gizmokid2005> lol
15:55:34 <ZachThibeau> meh I'll use jdownloader since it uses java :P
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15:56:16 <JohnTHaller> yeah, this doesn't portablize settings of the app itself. It just lets you run it.
15:56:23 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, I figured as much
15:56:31 <Gizmokid2005> i don't have any apps handy to test with either
15:56:39 <Gizmokid2005> I'll find one real quick, (sf here I come!)
15:56:39 <JohnTHaller> Unless it uses APDATA env var, in which case it'll save settings to JavaLauncherPortable\Data\appdata
15:57:38 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005: http://jdownloader.org/download
15:57:44 <Gizmokid2005> ty ZachThibeau
15:57:48 <ZachThibeau> tis Javabased :)
15:58:18 <Gizmokid2005> I don't like their download hosting...
15:58:26 <ZachThibeau> neither do I :/
15:58:35 <Gizmokid2005> that's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
15:58:39 <ZachThibeau> but it's something I could remember that was Java based
15:58:42 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
15:58:52 <ZachThibeau> and it's Open-Souce
15:58:54 <ZachThibeau> **source
16:03:27 <JohnTHaller> Hmm, that one doesn't seem to launch from the JAR
16:03:37 <JohnTHaller> (even using locally-installed JRE)
16:03:53 <ZachThibeau> then they must of redesigned then because it's Java based
16:04:01 <ZachThibeau> on linux I have to launch it from a Jar file
16:06:35 <JohnTHaller> grab the ourtunes JAR (MacOrPC download): http://ourtunes.sourceforge.net/
16:10:17 <Gizmokid2005> ourtunes launches for me.
16:11:44 <ZachThibeau> launches for me on ubuntu using Javaportable and the java launcher
16:11:50 <ZachThibeau> and wine of course
16:12:43 <JohnTHaller> cool
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16:15:41 <JohnTHaller> so whaddya think? useful?
16:17:43 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yeah, for the people who go to computers that don't have java
16:17:44 <Gizmokid2005> for sure it is
16:22:55 <ZachThibeau> yup
16:23:26 <Gizmokid2005> Just like the Private Browsing was, which FF integrated into FF3.5 :D
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16:30:55 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: you gonna get pidgin 2.5.8 or are you waiting for 2.6.0?
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16:33:21 <Gizmokid2005> hello pa_9921 is there anything we can help you with today?
16:34:05 <pa_9921> the Celestia Portable has virus at sourceforge.net
16:36:18 <ZachThibeau> that virus is called a false positive due to a faulty virus definition by your scanner, all portableapps.com material are checked thoroughly and are free of viruses
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16:40:14 <pa_9921> ok, i´ll download it again and copy the virus message just for your evaluation.
16:40:42 <pa_9921> see you later folks
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17:39:35 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Java Portable Launcher 1.0: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-29_-_java_portable_launcher_1.0
17:41:34 <jnw222> cool
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17:55:55 <tylor22> hey guys, how do you open NSH and NSI?
17:56:12 <ZachThibeau> with a editor like notepad or alike editor
17:56:18 <tylor22> ty
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17:56:33 <ZachThibeau> that was simple :)
17:57:29 <JohnTHaller> heh
17:58:06 <ZachThibeau> brb going to reboot into Vista to do some work
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18:11:42 <ZachThibeau> back :)
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18:31:36 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> JohnTHaller: did you see this? http://portableapps.com/node/19779
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19:14:40 <Mensur> Hi
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19:20:04 <ZachThibeau> that was quick
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19:27:00 <SergentSiler> lol
19:33:53 <jnw222> think anyone would want a NeverBall Portable? (game similar to SuperMonkey Ball)
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19:47:36 <pa_2374> what happened to your mibbit widget?
19:47:45 <Bensawsome> pa_2374 freenode doesnt allow it anymore
19:47:52 <Bensawsome> "too many security issues"
19:47:52 <pa_2374> why
19:47:55 <pa_2374> oh
19:48:13 <Bensawsome> people were avoiding bans with it :/
19:48:23 <Bensawsome> anyways need something else?
19:48:26 <pa_2374> o_O
19:48:30 <pa_2374> no]
19:48:34 <pa_2374> oh
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19:51:08 <rcmaehl2> yes
19:51:27 <rcmaehl2> so with the java launcher i can run any .jar files?
19:52:00 <Bensawsome> i dunno about that :/ never really used it with that
19:55:03 <MaienM> "Java Portable Launcher allows you to easily run Java JARs using the Java Virtual Machine installed on your PortableApps.com-enabled device using Java Portable. "
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19:55:30 <MaienM> it allows you to run java .jar files, simple enough right?
19:55:32 <dbdii407> Ha!
19:55:35 <MaienM> ...... -_-
19:55:48 <Bensawsome> wow....
19:56:38 <dbdii407> Anyone feel like being a record player for when he comes back?
19:57:26 <jnw222> ok
19:57:37 <jnw222> (breaks)
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19:57:58 <rcmaehl2> Hey
19:58:05 <rcmaehl2> you can still avoid bans
19:58:18 <Bensawsome> that wasnt a ban... someone ghosted your nick
19:58:25 <rcmaehl2> I did
19:58:31 <rcmaehl2> on accident
19:59:04 <Bensawsome> wait what nick did you ghost it from?
19:59:21 <rcmaehl2> rcmaehl
19:59:25 <Bensawsome> ah ok
19:59:31 <Bensawsome> cause i was gonna sayt
19:59:36 <Bensawsome> you cant ghost the nick that ur on
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20:01:14 <rcmaehl2> I have many nicks b/c i have a dsi + computer and sometimes i forget to logout of my nick
20:02:21 <rcmaehl2> currently i am on pa's chat widget and on xchat
20:06:02 <rcmaehl2> you guys hear about that police chase in Dallas
20:06:55 <jnw222> pidgin
20:07:28 <rcmaehl2> ?
20:08:45 <rcmaehl2> freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect] requested CTCP VERSION from rcmaehl2: why does this happen
20:08:50 <jnw222> i use pidgin for irc
20:09:01 <rcmaehl2> ok
20:09:07 <jnw222> that message always happens
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20:13:32 <rcmaehl> U just found something amazing
20:13:43 <rcmaehl> there's a channel that's just #
20:13:48 <rcmaehl> /join #
20:13:50 <rcmaehl> try it
20:14:09 <ZachThibeau> sorry rcmaehl I don't think anyone wants to
20:14:50 <rcmaehl> but it's so cool
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20:24:29 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
20:24:29 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
20:37:50 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: the site is down :(
20:39:26 <JohnTHaller> woah, looks like a whole chunk of the net disappeared
20:39:48 <jnw222> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
20:39:54 <Gizmokid2005> http://internetpulse.com/
20:39:56 <Gizmokid2005> that it does...
20:39:57 <MaienM> really? pa.c is the only thing thats down for me :/
20:40:20 <Gizmokid2005> lots of packet loss between L3 and ATT and qwest and Cogent...
20:40:27 <JohnTHaller> yeah, that's a big enough split
20:40:34 <JohnTHaller> all of rackspace seems down to me
20:40:41 <JohnTHaller> http://www.rackspace.com/
20:40:42 <jnw222> pa.com is down for me
20:40:45 <Gizmokid2005> Yep, down for me too
20:41:19 <dbdii407> Usuually means an update
20:42:02 <Gizmokid2005> dbdii407: of what...
20:42:31 <dbdii407> Gizmokid2005: Since that wasn't a question... :P
20:42:41 <Gizmokid2005> dbdii407: of what?
20:42:50 <dbdii407> Gizmokid2005: Who knows...
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20:43:08 <Gizmokid2005> I can't think of any updates that would cause a split like that
20:43:09 <JohnTHaller> PA.c isn't the only thing down. A whole section of the US seems missing.
20:43:18 <Gizmokid2005> sounds more like some router failures of some sort...
20:43:34 <JohnTHaller> my tracerts in die somewhere in xo.net land
20:44:10 <jnw222> MASSIVE FAILURE
20:44:30 <Gizmokid2005> mine to portableapps bounce around L3 for a while, then make it to rackspace, then die.
20:44:33 <SergentSiler> jnw222, cool it with the caps please
20:44:39 <Gizmokid2005> 18 309 ms 421 ms 436 ms vlan903.core3.dfw1.rackspace.com [72.3.128.53]
20:44:44 <Gizmokid2005> that's the last good ping I get JohnTHaller
20:45:33 <Gizmokid2005> and to their site: 19 66 ms 73 ms 62 ms aggr106a.dfw1.rackspace.net [72.3.129.72]
20:45:43 <Gizmokid2005> so, at least for me, it seems it's internal in their network
20:46:56 <MaienM> for me, it dies after
20:46:57 <MaienM> 12 209.133.126.42 (209.133.126.42) 144.571 ms 139.951 ms
20:47:57 <dbdii407> Gizmokid2005: You think it's from all the talk about them Michael Jackson and others?
20:47:58 <Gizmokid2005> OrgName: Abovenet Communications, Inc
20:48:00 <dbdii407> ;)
20:48:07 <Gizmokid2005> dbdii407: lol, wouldn't that be something.
20:48:38 <dbdii407> If this comes on the news, i'll laugh
20:49:02 <SergentSiler> lol
20:49:07 <jnw222> yeah
20:49:13 <SergentSiler> "today there was a failure on teh internetz O_O"
20:49:14 <jnw222> a internet failure
20:49:18 <jnw222> lol
20:49:21 <MaienM> maybe the Internet is collapsing under its own weight D:
20:49:25 <SergentSiler> D:
20:49:33 <jnw222> "and the famous portableapps.com was ofline"
20:49:34 <Gizmokid2005> nah, they just jneed to clean the stale packets out of the tubez
20:49:39 <MaienM> </drama>
20:49:50 <SergentSiler> lol MaienM
20:49:57 <jnw222> <drama>
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20:50:39 <dbdii407> pa_####: Yea. The site isn't loading. Why?
20:50:40 <dbdii407> Lol
20:50:56 <Gizmokid2005> dbdii407: please...PLEASE think about what you just said...
20:51:03 <MaienM> dbdii407: and how would they access our widget if its down?
20:51:19 <SergentSiler> XD
20:51:32 <dbdii407> MaienM: They grow a brain?
20:51:33 <SergentSiler> dbdii407, your shipment of FAIL has arrived
20:52:06 <MaienM> dbdii407: highly unlikely, and even more unlikely that they would use a name like pa_#### then ;)
20:52:23 <dbdii407> SergentSiler: Yep. It came with your computer too. ;)
20:52:35 <SergentSiler> what?
20:52:46 <dbdii407> Looks like you just shipped your fail. :P
20:52:52 <SergentSiler> norly :P
20:53:13 <Gizmokid2005> http://gizmokid2005.com/2009/06/need-for-speed-undercover-performancegraphics-issues
20:53:15 <SergentSiler> my shipment was yesterday :P
20:53:35 <dbdii407> SergentSiler: Oh! You mean that box i returned? :P
20:53:40 <SergentSiler> no :P
20:54:07 <jnw222> lol
20:54:19 <dbdii407> SergentSiler: So you're not Santa then huh?
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20:54:33 <SergentSiler> dbdii407, that makes no sense at all
20:54:35 <SergentSiler> hello KevinPorter
20:54:39 <KevinPorter> Hello.
20:54:45 <JohnTHaller> hi
20:54:52 <Gizmokid2005> hello KevinPorter
20:55:13 <KevinPorter> Hello JohnTHaller, Gizmokid2005.
20:55:41 <JohnTHaller> rackspace seems down. or part of texas anyway. so pa.c is inaccessible
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20:56:21 <JohnTHaller> while you wait you can read our fun press release: http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-software/20090629/SF3921229062009-1.html
20:56:21 <pa_1432> Is the website down ?
20:56:35 <jnw222> na
20:56:40 <jnw222> btw cool article
20:56:44 <JohnTHaller> network and/or internet issue. I can't access a good chunk of Texas at the moment
20:57:42 <jnw222> 35,500 terabytes is a lot of data for just like 10 years
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21:05:47 <JohnTHaller> got rackspace. power issue. again.
21:06:44 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: thats getting a bit ridiculous isn't it?
21:06:51 <Gizmokid2005> that's what, the third time in 3 weeks?
21:07:19 <JohnTHaller> yup
21:07:51 <Gizmokid2005> that's what UPS and generators are for...I mean, if they are having these issues, they should be doing some major testing and get some electricians in there to fix things... Once should've been one time too many
21:09:21 <JohnTHaller> they're having upgrade issues as they bring in a new huge wall of linked UPSes and a new set of diesel generators
21:09:55 <Gizmokid2005> sounds a little bit of timing fail there to me..
21:11:21 <jnw222> real big timing or system failure
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21:12:56 <Gizmokid2005> and I'm off to pick up a belated b-day present for my bro. Be back later.
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21:25:45 <Scriptdaemon> Is PA.com down?
21:26:36 <JohnTHaller> http://twitter.com/Rackspace
21:27:25 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
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21:50:20 <JohnTHaller> sever is coming back up soon...
21:50:41 <ZachThibeau> yay :D
21:53:24 <jnw222> drupal Site off-line message
21:53:25 <JohnTHaller> apache is up. mysql is checking itself...
21:53:45 <jnw222> oh
21:54:41 <JohnTHaller> got our back soon message up in place of Drupal default...
21:54:51 <jnw222> fun
21:57:38 <jnw222> chanded to a red page with the pa logo
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22:03:25 * JohnTHaller just made the "right back" page prettier...
22:03:47 <jnw222> keeps changing
22:04:43 <JohnTHaller> yeah, I figured I'd touch it up a bit while waiting.
22:05:49 <jnw222> is the box filled with white or part transparent
22:07:36 <jnw222> i have 3 browsers
22:07:45 <jnw222> each rendering the page diffrently
22:08:06 <JohnTHaller> white at 75% opacity
22:08:16 <jnw222> ok
22:08:38 <jnw222> firefox and chromium both show no transparency
22:09:08 <JohnTHaller> shows it in ff 3.1 for me
22:09:20 <jnw222> ff 3.1?
22:09:52 <jnw222> and ie 5.0 shows an untransparent PA logo
22:10:20 <JohnTHaller> yeah, we don't even bother with ie5
22:10:25 <jnw222> lol
22:10:46 * jnw222 uses ie for security hacking
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22:11:14 <jnw222> going to do some screencaps
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22:11:44 <JohnTHaller> tested in FF31 and IE8 here. current looks same in both.
22:12:22 <JohnTHaller> looks fine in Opear (just no transparency since it doesn't support it)
22:12:29 <JohnTHaller> opera that is
22:13:23 <JohnTHaller> chrome shows no transparency (also unsupported) and fonts too big (typical chrome rendering issue)
22:13:37 <jnw222> yeah
22:13:39 <jnw222> same
22:14:02 <jnw222> firefox 3.5b4 (lazy to update) shows no trans.
22:14:08 <JohnTHaller> (nevermind, font issue was my fault... fixed)
22:14:44 <jnw222> chrome fonts fixed
22:14:58 * jnw222 likes google chrome
22:16:23 <jnw222> annoying how few browsers are standards-compliant
22:16:48 <jnw222> firefox 2.0.0.20 shows transparency
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22:26:07 <jnw222> why isn't the site up, rareideas.com, Johnhaller.com are both up
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22:32:40 <ZachThibeau> jnw222: portableapps.com afaik is hosted on another server than the other 2 sites
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23:25:31 <JohnTHaller> The site will be down a bit longer. Database recovery neeeded. The sessions table is probably corrupted again.
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23:34:40 <jnw222> no
23:37:07 <SergentSiler> jnw222, ?
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