IRC Log from 2009-06-30

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00:01:20 <HypnoToad> ohai ZachThibeau
00:01:52 <ZachThibeau> HypnoToad: howdy Taffin
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00:23:20 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> hello again KevinMPorter
00:23:30 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> connection fail?
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00:24:26 <HypnoToad> ohai Gizmokid2005 and KevinMPorter
00:24:42 <Gizmokid2005> hello Taffin
00:27:11 <HypnoToad> site still down?
00:27:56 <Gizmokid2005> look
00:28:48 <HypnoToad> .title http://portableapps.com
00:28:49 <GizmoBot> HypnoToad: PortableApps.com will be right back...
00:29:09 <SergentSiler> i like the new service page :P
00:30:14 <HypnoToad> It looks fairly cool.
00:30:31 <HypnoToad> ohai SergentSiler
00:30:40 <SergentSiler> ohai
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00:33:15 <HypnoToad> ohai excid3
00:33:24 <excid3> lol
00:33:50 <excid3> Someone watching a bit of Futurama recently eh?
00:34:07 <HypnoToad> who?
00:34:19 <HypnoToad> wait, what episode?
00:34:22 <excid3> you maybe ;)
00:34:47 <excid3> Hypno toad was in several episodes
00:34:50 <SergentSiler> lol
00:35:01 <HypnoToad> oh, thats right =P
00:35:20 * HypnoToad forgets about the nick occasionally
00:35:37 <excid3> lol
00:36:07 <excid3> :)
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00:37:33 <HypnoToad> .wik Neverball
00:37:34 <GizmoBot> "Neverball is a 3D platform game similar to Super Monkey Ball." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverball
00:38:39 * SergentSiler <3 neverball
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00:39:07 <excid3> *</3>
00:39:18 * ZachThibeau wants to try mumble D:
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01:49:18 <dbdii407> hello everyone
01:52:19 <daBomb69> yo dbdii407 :D
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02:13:10 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
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02:18:55 <ChrisMorgan> Hey, I like the PA.c offline page!
02:19:04 <SergentSiler> same ^_^
02:19:20 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what's the update this time?
02:19:24 * daBomb69 would prefer seeing the normal PA.c homepage though....
02:20:22 <ChrisMorgan> I set the BPBible message to take users to the Google Code page and similar... but so far it's only ever been offline for about 40 seconds while upgrading from 6.2 to 6.12...
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02:25:35 * ChrisMorgan likes the latest Mibbit blog post title, announcing a new staff member: mibbit.getPersonFactory().createMibbitPerson().setName(”fastundia”);
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02:31:22 <HypnoToad> ohai ChrisMorgan
02:32:37 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I just took a look at the Java Portable Launcher source code, I reckon you should add in a -Duser.home=$EXEDIR\Data\AppData value, which will catch most settings, whereas just changing APPDATA doesn't do it (user.home defaults to USERPROFILE, APPDATA isn't normally used at all. I haven't come across an app that uses it, the closest is Sweet Home 3D which gets user.home and hard codes "Application Data" onto the end of it
02:32:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hey HypnoToad
02:36:35 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Is that a commandline or env var?
02:36:55 <JohnTHaller> PA.c DB was corrupted by the power failure (server went down hard). rebuiling
02:37:37 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: command line; before the jarpath.
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02:37:59 <ChrisMorgan> OK, good luck... seem to have been too many issues with the server recently
02:38:19 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I've used it in GanttProject Portable and Sweet Home 3D Portable.
02:38:27 <ChrisMorgan> APPDATA is a good idea as well though.
02:40:01 <ChrisMorgan> It'd be nice, for later, if there was some sort of monitoring of the registry, HKCU\Software\JavaSoft\Prefs\*; java.util.prefs uses the registry on Windows (Sweet Home 3D and Bluemarine use it as well as user.home)
02:43:50 <JohnTHaller> nah, we wouldn't know when the app closed
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02:43:52 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com
02:44:07 <HypnoToad> ohai Whibo.
02:44:15 <Whibo> hai
02:45:06 <HypnoToad> .title http://portableapps.com
02:45:07 <GizmoBot> HypnoToad: PortableApps.com will be right back...
02:45:15 <HypnoToad> nope, still down.
02:46:19 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: that's a hurdle I had to cope with in my apps... which is why it'd really be good if we could handle the Launch4J bit properly. Do you know about it, or do you want me to explain briefly, or maintain silence and let you sort out the databse?
02:46:23 <ChrisMorgan> *database
02:46:34 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: vanity, vanity :P
02:49:56 <JohnTHaller> drop me an email acount it? Kinda bandwidthed out :-(
02:51:23 <ChrisMorgan> k
02:57:12 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how've you gone with the launcher? I s'pose it's still Monday where you are... :P
02:57:40 <SergentSiler> one hour left in it :P
02:57:46 <SergentSiler> monday that is
03:01:46 * ChrisMorgan has gotten used to calculating the 14-hour difference for NY time :D
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03:10:03 <ChrisMorgan> OK John, I emailed you :-)
03:10:18 <ChrisMorgan> Lunch time Tuesday :D
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03:14:05 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan|away: yeah, it's still monday, but i've been stuck dealing with this DB thing since 3pm
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03:28:46 <ChrisMorgan|away> Yeeoouuuchh!
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03:30:59 <HypnoToad> ChrisMorgan: hunh?
03:31:23 <ChrisMorgan> Dealing with the DB for over 8 hours...
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03:32:00 <HypnoToad> Yeeoouuuchh!
03:32:37 <ChrisMorgan> Well said :-)
03:32:51 <HypnoToad> copy-pasta!
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03:48:45 <JohnTHaller> yeah. unfun. innodb namespace corrupted hard again. rolled back to 1am backup. getting uncorrupted tables and restoring into backed up DB
03:49:07 <ChrisMorgan> How long do you reckon it'll take? Any idea?
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03:49:24 <ChrisMorgan> So why have they let it happen again? Is it the same UPS thing again?
03:50:25 <JohnTHaller> another hour about
03:50:44 <JohnTHaller> it was another power disruption. not sure if it was due to the switch or what this time
03:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck... *sigh*
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03:52:51 <ChrisMorgan> I presume that "PortableApps.com receives a trip to the OSCON conference in San Jose, July 21-25, and to SourceForge's Community Choice Awards ceremony on July 23." means John, not all of us and all our users? ;-) What exactly is the CCA ceremony about?
03:52:53 <JohnTHaller> i know. and we pay $12,000 a year so this *DOESN'T* happen
03:53:38 <JohnTHaller> they announce the winners of this: https://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/
03:54:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... do the winners get told earlier and invited, I wonder
03:54:42 <ChrisMorgan> Did we win any last year?
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03:55:23 <JohnTHaller> no, just lots of nominations
03:55:44 <ChrisMorgan> k
03:55:46 <JohnTHaller> had a nice plan to let people know this week in concert with the sourceforge press release and a newsletter... but I think that may be in shambles now
03:56:00 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
03:56:06 <Mir> grr
03:56:08 <Mir> hi
03:56:54 <JohnTHaller> i was gonna do one newsletter just before the end of this month in concert with a platform PR and stuff. start with some freeware and some commercial announcements next week. then do the 1.6 launch and a july newsletter just prior to voting end.
03:57:03 <JohnTHaller> looks like we may just have one newsletter instead :-(
03:57:33 <ChrisMorgan> Do we get to find out who's on board yet?
03:57:40 <JohnTHaller> on the plus side, the platform is shaping up nicely. and the updater is working really well with it. (I think you saw the screenshots)
03:57:56 <ChrisMorgan> Good... I didn't see them?
03:57:56 <JohnTHaller> not yet. may only announce one or two at launch since some have some negotiatins to do
03:58:01 <ChrisMorgan> k
03:58:10 <HypnoToad> screenshots?
03:58:24 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterPreview2.png
03:58:27 <ChrisMorgan> Has the launcher development been moved forward because of the server issue?
03:58:32 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterAddPreview2.png
03:58:43 <HypnoToad> cool as.
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03:59:28 <ChrisMorgan> I still reckon that NSIS isn't the best way to go. Ah well, since the ListView thing it's a lot better, the only real problem is keyboard usability/lack of :-)
03:59:30 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Pat
03:59:36 <PatrickPatience> Yo.
03:59:45 <PatrickPatience> Downtime messages just get more and more pretty.
03:59:50 <ChrisMorgan> :P
03:59:50 <PatrickPatience> Rackspace isn't down, is it?
03:59:59 <JohnTHaller> yeah. i was gonna try and post it late tonight. probably be more like wed now. I brought my stuff onto your codebase (since mine was originally sans logiclib). it centralizes the keys into a two areas (one each for HKCU and HKLM) and appdata. and it uses the stack so that if the key is pulled, it can still clean up.
04:00:00 <PatrickPatience> I heard someone mention it was.
04:00:03 <ChrisMorgan> Just the same hard power ruining the DB issue...
04:00:10 <PatrickPatience> Oh, nice.
04:00:21 <JohnTHaller> rackspace had another huge power outtage. it even took out rackspace.com this time. so our DB went down hard. corruption is being fixed now.
04:00:41 <ChrisMorgan> I was thinking of using NSISArray for keeping things.
04:00:51 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Yeah, eventually, we'll probably redo it in delphi or something.
04:00:54 <ChrisMorgan> The stack is just prone to trouble in my experience...
04:00:58 <HypnoToad> bbl
04:00:59 <ChrisMorgan> good
04:01:03 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I played with NSISArray and it's damn messy.
04:01:06 <ChrisMorgan> Bye Taffni :-)
04:01:20 <PatrickPatience> HypnoToads are the worst kind of toads.
04:01:30 <JohnTHaller> The stack is fine if you use it cleanly. It's actually pretty easy when you see what I'm working on.
04:01:31 <ChrisMorgan> I've looked at it, it's pretty messy to set up, but looked straghtforward after that.
04:01:50 <JohnTHaller> Stack + LogicLib and loops = pretty easy.
04:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah :-)
04:02:50 <JohnTHaller> so you like the look now?
04:03:02 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, I do. Much nicer than the sections stuff :-)
04:03:12 <ChrisMorgan> It's just that you can't navigate it with the keyboard, that's all.
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04:03:38 <JohnTHaller> yeah, that is pretty damn annoying
04:03:59 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: incidentally, on the Java Portable Launcher side, in my experience they always specify the com.something.else.bootstrap bootstrap class to run. Some, but not all, will run without it specified.
04:04:04 <JohnTHaller> though if you're just using it for updates (which is the primary purpose right now), you just need to hit Next :-)
04:04:15 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, that's true.
04:04:30 <JohnTHaller> not all. A properly packaged JAR doesn't need it. And a lot of projects release JARs as runable.
04:04:37 <ChrisMorgan> Why exactly /is/ Java Portable's installoptions.dll 14MB?
04:04:50 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah. I was just raising the point :-)
04:04:58 <JohnTHaller> It's not really. It's just the way it shows up in 7zip
04:05:17 <ChrisMorgan> So why is the download 14MB?
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04:05:37 <PatrickPatience> Man, Pidgin just keeps droppin' the releases.
04:06:09 <ChrisMorgan> It looks to me as though it really is 14MB, if not, then what's making it so big?
04:07:03 <PatrickPatience> Haha, check out the vertical scrollbar after clicking on the header: http://prosody.im/
04:07:36 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: what vertical scrollbar?
04:07:45 * ChrisMorgan uses Chrome... it compensates for bad design ;-)
04:17:18 <Bensawsome> PatrickPatience did you need me a day or 2 ago?
04:18:47 * Bensawsome is going to bed in a minuuuute
04:24:12 <PatrickPatience> Gizmokid2005|AFK: It has been done.
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04:41:44 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I approve of the narrower back shortly message ;-)
04:43:48 <JohnTHaller> mimicking this: http://twitter.com/PortableApps
04:44:26 <ChrisMorgan> I guessed that
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05:04:30 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller! You did it!
05:04:32 <ChrisMorgan> YAY!
05:04:45 <ChrisMorgan> Now I'm sure you need to go to bed :-)
05:04:46 <PatrickPatience> Screw flash drives, I just want a PortableApps.com shirt.
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05:07:32 <JohnTHaller> The site is now back online up to approximately 4pm NY time when the power outtage happened. No data was lost. And, unlike last time, the search cache doesn't need to be rebuilt.
05:10:53 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks John :-)
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05:13:40 <JohnTHaller> Outtage Summary: http://portableapps.com/node/19783
05:16:54 <ChrisMorgan> So do you reckon the user.home thing is worth a 1.1 release?
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05:32:27 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I reckon that it's worth a new release.
05:34:38 <JohnTHaller> prob
05:34:57 <JohnTHaller> but i'll give it a week to see if anything else pops up
05:38:58 <ChrisMorgan> I can't think of anything else, other than possibly shortcut creation using NSIS Portable if they've got it, e.g. another command line argument... how does that sound? I'll do it myself if you like?
05:41:17 <JohnTHaller> Prob not. This is more targeted at end users, so it's unlikely they'll have NSIS Portable (odd dependency).
05:41:34 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... NSIS or PAI'll both have it...
05:42:29 <ChrisMorgan> It's pretty simple really, just check if the parameters start with /shortcut or something, and then have an NSIS script it compiles, and use a couple of environment variables (and then use them in the script as $%JavaPortableBuildName% - compile time) to specify the name and JAR path, and it runs JavaPortableLauncher.exe...
05:44:22 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon it's worth while doing so end users can have it appear in the platform.
05:45:06 <JohnTHaller> well, you really wouldn't have to have it compile anything. it could create it as a simple appinfo.ini thing
05:45:20 <JohnTHaller> may be a sep thing in the platform, though, for adding java apps
05:45:39 <ChrisMorgan> Would the platform show it... can it do command line arguments?
05:47:09 <JohnTHaller> it could
05:47:10 <ChrisMorgan> While I like things being built into the platform, I personally use them from the command line normally; a separate EXE would facilitate that, but most won't, and having it completely integrated would be easier.
05:47:16 <ChrisMorgan> Can it now though?
05:49:02 <JohnTHaller> it's really a lower priority. our main goal is having apps packaged as PAF
05:49:10 <ChrisMorgan> Yes :-)
05:49:13 <JohnTHaller> so providing more tools around it kinda goes against that
05:49:44 <ChrisMorgan> Can you have a StartN=JavaPortableLauncher.exe \PortableApps\Something\Else.jar?
05:50:51 <JohnTHaller> it could be updated to do it.
05:50:56 <ChrisMorgan> OK
05:50:58 <JohnTHaller> but honestly, i'd rather get things in PAF
05:51:11 <ChrisMorgan> Me too, very definitely.
05:51:11 <JohnTHaller> and i'm not concious enough to properly consider it atm
05:51:25 <ChrisMorgan> Go to sleep - 2am is much too late :-)
05:51:51 <JohnTHaller> drop me an email summarizing, please
05:52:07 <ChrisMorgan> About making launchers for it?
05:52:19 <ChrisMorgan> Using AppInfo or NSIS?
05:52:51 <JohnTHaller> both
05:52:58 <ChrisMorgan> OK, will do :-)
05:53:08 <JohnTHaller> we'll see what works
05:53:11 <JohnTHaller> for now, bed
05:53:13 <ChrisMorgan> K
05:53:13 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
05:53:21 <ChrisMorgan> goodnight John :-)
05:53:46 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for your hard work today :-)
05:54:18 <HypnoToad> ChrisMorgan: about the gVim icon, you could use the ones from the crystal set.
05:54:25 <HypnoToad> here's the 128x one: http://cubegames.net/taneth/uploads/gvim.png
05:54:28 <ChrisMorgan> What are they like?
05:54:38 <ChrisMorgan> EEEK!
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05:54:46 <ChrisMorgan> KERNEL PANIC!
05:54:51 <ChrisMorgan> NOOOOO!!
05:55:21 <ChrisMorgan> ooh... a Rackspace guy commented on your thread, John
05:57:00 <HypnoToad> lulz, conspiracy freak: http://portableapps.com/node/19780
05:57:48 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: beware, he may read logs :P
05:57:59 <HypnoToad> ...uh oh.
05:58:02 <HypnoToad> RUUNNN!
05:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> You do so if you wish, I'm staying here :-)
06:00:13 <HypnoToad> so what do you think of the crystal gvim icon?
06:00:23 <ChrisMorgan> I think it's garish
06:00:29 <ChrisMorgan> ...to put it nicely
06:00:40 <ChrisMorgan> The V is meant to be /grey/, not blue.
06:01:17 <HypnoToad> TunnelVision Portable doesn't have the original icon, or PuTTY for that matter.
06:01:28 <ChrisMorgan> So?
06:01:39 <HypnoToad> the same could be applied to gVim.
06:02:00 <HypnoToad> as in a different icon for the launcher and splash compared to the actual exe
06:02:00 <ChrisMorgan> But why, when you've got a perfectly good, albeit not 256x256, icon?
06:02:21 <HypnoToad> hmmm?
06:03:03 <ChrisMorgan> I can't see any reason to use other than the official one.
06:03:25 <HypnoToad> didn't you say that it "wasn't all that nice"?
06:03:56 <ChrisMorgan> The EPS isn't all that nice. But it's the official one, and much better than the Crystal one.
06:04:04 <ChrisMorgan> So for the splash, that'll be what it gets.
06:04:33 * HypnoToad thinks that the crystal one looks better...
06:05:05 <ChrisMorgan> I s'pose you'd also think that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vim_gloss_128.png is nicer?
06:05:10 <ChrisMorgan> That's what you get with MacVim.
06:05:11 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
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06:05:54 <HypnoToad> but thats MacVim, not gVim.
06:06:20 <ChrisMorgan> So? :D
06:07:20 <HypnoToad> *shrug*
06:07:38 <HypnoToad> either way, they still look better than the windows 3.1 feel of the current icon
06:07:44 * ChrisMorgan likes the ordinary Vim logo :-)
06:07:58 <ChrisMorgan> You take a look at it in the taskbar, it really looks better than many.
06:11:14 <HypnoToad> I refuse to run any form of vi because of its confusing command setup, plus I prefer nano, emacs and notepad++
06:11:31 <ChrisMorgan> I like Vim :-)
06:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> It's not confusing once you get used to it :-)
06:12:11 <HypnoToad> .gc vi manual
06:12:11 <GizmoBot> vi manual: 3,090,000
06:12:16 <HypnoToad> .gc emacs manual
06:12:17 <GizmoBot> emacs manual: 164,000
06:12:25 <ChrisMorgan> HAH!
06:12:26 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
06:12:34 <ChrisMorgan> The tutorial it has is good enough.
06:12:38 <HypnoToad> yes thats right, more people need a manual to use vi than emacs
06:12:58 <ChrisMorgan> ...whoops :P
06:13:22 <ChrisMorgan> Seriously, emacs is more confusing with its constant Control this Control that stuff.
06:14:38 <ChrisMorgan> There's no denying that emacs has distinction - why, some of the biggest and worst security bugs ever have been in emacs.
06:14:45 <ChrisMorgan> ButgVim is for me :-)
06:14:49 <ChrisMorgan> *But Vim
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06:17:05 <HypnoToad> "[book pulisher] O'Reilly says that its Vim tutorial sells twice as many copies as for Emacs. This has been taken by some to suggest that around twice as many individuals prefer Vim over Emacs. However, others suggest this simply means that those who use Emacs do not need additional help." - end quote, wikipedia.
06:17:11 <HypnoToad> =P
06:17:35 <ChrisMorgan> I suggest the former, and I believe that it's true, as well.
06:18:17 <HypnoToad> I suggest the latter, and I believe that it's true, as well.
06:18:34 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon that for beginners, they're both completely bamboozling :-)
06:19:14 * HypnoToad wonders why the java portable installer is 14mb...
06:19:30 <ChrisMorgan> I've wondered that too. I haven't had an answer from John yet though.
06:20:31 <HypnoToad> any thoughts on this comment? http://portableapps.com/node/19780#comment-121881
06:21:22 <ChrisMorgan> I still don't see how it's possible; ask him for screenshots of it.
06:21:36 <ChrisMorgan> And suggest he scan the computer with anti-malware software
06:22:47 * HypnoToad has no clue what he's talking about, but chances are PEBKAC
06:25:22 <ChrisMorgan> Quite possibly.
06:26:16 * HypnoToad wonders why it took ChrisMorgan to reply... =D
06:27:31 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: Traceback: GrammarError in your statement
06:28:11 <HypnoToad> silly vim, not being able to handle errors without some form of traceback needed. or is that just victorians? =P
06:28:25 <ChrisMorgan> That's Python.
06:29:06 <HypnoToad> python is just as annoying, always complaining about indents.
06:29:19 <ChrisMorgan> That's *good*, not bad.
06:30:37 <HypnoToad> I find it annoying. You can't use brackets (unlike other languages), and it freaks out every time you indent something differently to the rest.
06:31:46 <ChrisMorgan> It's good because it means that all Python code will look the same stylistically, rather than line breaks and braces all over the place...
06:31:56 <ChrisMorgan> It's actually easier to read, studies show.
06:32:26 <ChrisMorgan> (I studied my brothers Jon and Ben, he said so :P... nah, they are real studies.)
06:33:44 <HypnoToad> but C(++), AHK, Basic, etc. can all also look consistently the same, and most modern editors that support code folding make it easier to use braces
06:35:09 <HypnoToad> taffin*holidays=-grammar
06:35:48 <ChrisMorgan> Can, but don't ever.
06:36:29 <HypnoToad> it depends on the programmer.
06:36:32 <ChrisMorgan> if(c){,if (c){, if(c) {, if (c) {, or new lines before the {, with it then either not indented more, or indented more, etc...
06:37:17 <ChrisMorgan> Each programmer may be internally consistent, but different ones do it different ways.
07:19:07 <PatrickPatience> Hmm. Should I renew nascent-project.org or just screw with everyone and see how much fun we all have?
07:24:41 <HypnoToad> I say make 'em pay for the renewal =P
07:28:41 <PatrickPatience> I say make 'em pay for the hosting. :-P
07:28:47 <PatrickPatience> I don't use it (yet). :-P
07:29:07 * HypnoToad sees a pretty penny to be made
07:29:11 <PatrickPatience> Haha.
07:29:28 <PatrickPatience> NO NO. I'll make the downloaders pay. :-P
07:29:35 <HypnoToad> ...uh oh.
07:29:36 <PatrickPatience> How awful would that be? :-)
07:29:39 <HypnoToad> RUUUNNN!
07:29:46 <PatrickPatience> Redirect them to PayPal upon download. :-P
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07:56:17 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is the engaged man - who'll be the married man on 3/20/10!
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08:03:19 <HypnoToad> ohai Gizmokid2005
08:03:47 <HypnoToad> so you won't be Gizmokid2005 , but Gizmofather2006 =P
08:04:39 <ChrisMorgan> What exactly is the history of the "Gizmokid2005" name?
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08:41:18 <SteveLamerton> Hello all :)
08:42:40 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Steve :-)
08:43:05 <ChrisMorgan> "How is things?"
08:43:41 <ChrisMorgan> (Quote from Owl in the *real* Winnie the Pooh - i.e. the original book :D)
08:43:43 <SteveLamerton> Not too bad, need for beta testers, but that always happens ;)
08:43:53 <SteveLamerton> *more, not for
08:44:07 <ChrisMorgan> "Dreadful and bad," replies Pooh, "for Eeyore, who is a great friend of mine has lost his tail."
08:44:52 <SteveLamerton> A. A. Milne wasnt it?
08:44:54 <ChrisMorgan> I saw that... I reckon that with Toucan you don't really need them terribly much, they'll kick up a rumpus if there are any dreadful problems.
08:44:59 <ChrisMorgan> Yuppity :-)
08:45:03 <ChrisMorgan> Good book realyl.
08:45:04 <ChrisMorgan> *really
08:45:50 <SteveLamerton> And they certainly do kick up a fuss ;) Andway this release being bugfixes ought to be ok I would have thought...
08:46:24 <ChrisMorgan> Just ping John about it and out it goes :-)
08:47:09 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, I think I will, better to get it out and leave it languishing in the forums!
08:47:22 <ChrisMorgan> Absolutely.
08:47:58 <SteveLamerton> So how are things with you?
08:48:07 <ChrisMorgan> Dreadful and bad :D
08:48:10 <ChrisMorgan> Fine I think
08:48:24 <SteveLamerton> Excellent ;)
08:49:09 <SteveLamerton> I must say it is good to see all of the new releases :)
08:49:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
08:50:19 <ChrisMorgan> It's just a pity about the rackspace issue today/yesterday (depending on where one is), especially as it's delayed the PortableApps.com Launcher.
08:51:07 <SteveLamerton> Yes, that is very annoying :( How is the launcher going, it looked very impressive when I took a quick look?
08:53:17 <ChrisMorgan> John's done more work on it, I'm due to be the first to see it but haven't done so yet.
08:53:27 <ChrisMorgan> John's done more work on it, I'm due to be the first to see it but haven't done so yet.
08:53:40 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry
08:53:46 <SteveLamerton> Ahhh ok :)
08:54:04 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look at the channel logs for a few hours ago if you're interested.
08:54:12 <ChrisMorgan> Java Portable discussion interspersed.
08:54:52 <SteveLamerton> Ok, thanks
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08:57:21 <ChrisMorgan> Hello simon__, can we help you?
08:57:35 <simon__> yes thank you
08:57:47 <ChrisMorgan> Please ask away :-)
08:57:56 <simon__> i have installed FF3.5 RC
08:58:44 <simon__> but when i was going to install adobe plash player
08:58:50 <simon__> i failed
08:59:10 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. Most plugins won't be compatible with Firefox 3.5.
08:59:51 <ChrisMorgan> A better place to ask for application specific things is there own places; in this case, irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox
09:00:03 <simon__> is there any version of flash player compatible with FF3.5?
09:00:30 <ChrisMorgan> I don't believe it's compatible, but I'm not certain.
09:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> Can you use the irc:// link?
09:00:43 <ChrisMorgan> If not, try http://mibbit.com/#firefox@irc.mozilla.org
09:01:08 <SteveLamerton> I have a working copy here, but it is on a local copy, not a portable one, what error do you get simon__ ?
09:01:20 <simon__> ok i log in succcessfully
09:02:25 <simon__> i failed instsalling adobe plash player on FF3.5
09:03:06 <ChrisMorgan> simon__: I've already asked for you in the firefox channel
09:03:07 <SteveLamerton> Did you try this: http://portableapps.com/node/15501
09:03:54 <simon__> no
09:04:04 <simon__> i'll try this right now
09:04:04 <SteveLamerton> That makes it a lot easier :)
09:04:26 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it's worthwhile trying. It's not updated to the latest specs, maybe we should remind John about it.
09:04:51 <ChrisMorgan> It should work just fine though if it's compatible. It may be able to give you a definitive answer.
09:05:55 <ChrisMorgan> Interesting, a guy in mozilla#firefox "would be ridiculously surprised if they weren't", and says that "3.5 final is like this morning, though, FYI".
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09:23:34 <SteveLamerton> Hello MaienM
09:23:48 <MaienM> hello SteveLamerton
09:23:51 <MaienM> whats up?
09:24:49 <SteveLamerton> Not much, just about to start work on a big patch for wxWidgets, not completely sure I know what I am doing though ;) With you?
09:25:37 <MaienM> just had two tests at school, and have a bit of time to slack of now
09:25:52 <MaienM> next important test is thursday :)
09:26:55 <SteveLamerton> Ahhh ok, my exams finished last week :D I am now on holiday until the end of september ;)
09:27:34 <MaienM> nice :)
09:27:47 <MaienM> I still have some this week and next monday
09:28:01 <MaienM> and I HAVE to do well on (some) of them
09:28:08 <SteveLamerton> Well good luck :)
09:28:32 <MaienM> thanks, I'll need it :P
09:29:55 <MaienM> what are you making a patch for for wxWidgets?
09:31:22 <SteveLamerton> I am rearranging the xrc system. At the moment it has too many dependancies!
09:31:59 <MaienM> I never really got the xrc system.... altho I haven't spend too much time trying to get it
09:33:01 <SteveLamerton> I tried, it would speed up compilation a lot for Toucan if the dialogs weren't in the code files, but it didnt support some of the stuff I wanted because they dont want to add any more dependancies!
09:34:39 <MaienM> well, good luck with that.... on a side note, any news on (the plans for) toucan for linux?
09:35:49 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, I plan to work on it as soon as the next version is out :) (Which I will probably send to John later on today)
09:36:03 <MaienM> yay :D
09:37:24 <MaienM> how much work do you estimate there has to be done for it to work? do you have to rewrite a lot or is most cross-system already?
09:38:53 <SteveLamerton> It is pretty much all ready as far as I know, sync should work straight off, backup I will need to tell to use p7zip instead of 7zip and for secure I just need to grab the linux exe, then there are a few other bits and pieces, probably a couple of days work
09:42:26 <MaienM> nice :)
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09:53:23 <Horusofoz> Hi guys
09:53:30 <SteveLamerton> Hi Horusofoz
09:54:23 <Horusofoz> Anyone know how you disable an autoplay option? My brother messed with my pc and Nero is opening evrey time an audio cd is inserted ; (
09:54:36 <SteveLamerton> What os?
09:55:06 <Horusofoz> XP
09:55:12 <Horusofoz> XP SP3
09:56:09 <SteveLamerton> I think you go to My Computer, right click on the drive and there is a tab called autoplay
09:58:08 <Horusofoz> Thanks SteveLamerton :) I just spent last 30 minutes Googling and only could find registry direct changes and didn't want to mess with that :)
09:58:25 <SteveLamerton> Definitely not, and no problem :)
10:00:21 <Horusofoz> SteveLamerton: Are you likely to make any more changes to Toucan b4 release?
10:00:45 <SteveLamerton> Nah, I might just send it off later, better to just get a release out I think
10:00:58 <Horusofoz> Has anyone here use Trellian Webpage?
10:01:07 <SteveLamerton> Not I
10:06:15 <HypnoToad> .g trellian
10:06:16 <GizmoBot> HypnoToad: http://www.trellian.com/
10:12:06 <Horusofoz> Just installed it (Requires an email for serial to install though it is freeware:( ) And looks good. Uses a Word 2007 cloned interface
10:12:59 <ChrisMorgan|away> Trellian uses a RIBBON! IT'S EVIL! ;-)
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10:13:06 <ChrisMorgan> Just back :P
10:13:18 <Horusofoz> LOL
10:14:48 <Horusofoz> Have you looked at it but?
10:15:04 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: And the ribbon's not that bad :p
10:15:46 <ChrisMorgan> I looked at it day before yesterday. I didn't try it.
10:16:18 <Horusofoz> Ribbon-phobia :p
10:17:30 <ChrisMorgan> Every open-source person's got to have it ;-)
10:17:57 * SteveLamerton likes the ribbon
10:18:30 <Horusofoz> Though it took a bit of getting used to I think the ribbon is a step forward. I hop OO.org incorporate it
10:18:38 * ChrisMorgan thinks that "There is a time and a place for a ribbon"; on a cat in a cat-show is one valid time and place combination.
10:18:46 <ChrisMorgan> I really don't have much of an opinion.
10:20:14 <Horusofoz> Would that be valid for all wysiwyg's?
10:20:33 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know :P
10:20:48 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't tried Trellian WebPage at all. I may do though.
10:22:05 <Horusofoz> Well I think it seems pretty good from the 2 minutes just tested :p I like the familiar interface but I'll wait for reviews from some more informed users (IE you) if its good I'll probably request :)
10:22:27 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, why not. I'll try it out.
10:23:24 <ChrisMorgan> Note that they don't have a hope of making it to the official list the way they do it now, I reckon.
10:23:37 <Horusofoz> with the serial?
10:23:56 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah
10:24:21 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... Java, eh?
10:24:53 <Horusofoz> Java?
10:25:14 <ChrisMorgan> It's got "Java" on its welcome/finished page of its installer, anyway
10:27:53 <Horusofoz> CRIKEY!!
10:28:27 <HypnoToad> hunh?
10:28:29 <Horusofoz> Just did the uninstall with Revo and it found 5859 registry items left over after the built in uninstaller finished!!
10:30:11 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... it's got a pretty complete creation wizard.
10:30:18 <ChrisMorgan> Which is unusual.
10:34:00 <Horusofoz> If that is a negative can't one opt out of the wizard?
10:34:33 <ChrisMorgan> It's a positive. And one can, there's a button on the first page saying "don't show me this again".
10:34:38 <Horusofoz> Also anyone tried this - http://htmltools.sourceforge.net/
10:35:01 <Horusofoz> Once you've gone thru the wizard are the options still editable eg the CSS?
10:35:11 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't got that far :P
10:35:34 <ChrisMorgan> It's fairly rough around the edges with a fresh installation, e.g. MRU list is empty and thus ugly, and the page editing area is also uggerley, but I'll see what it's like when I get to actually using it...
10:36:12 <ChrisMorgan> I like the way with Blue Griffon you can easily set up columns with YUI; personally I wouldn't use that other than in a mockup, but it's a very useful feature for amateurs.
10:38:07 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... should I have a crack at begging for open source versions of the free Trellian products?
10:41:18 <Horusofoz> :D
10:41:30 <Horusofoz> Good luck
10:41:36 <ChrisMorgan> It never works.
10:41:39 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well :P
10:42:02 <Horusofoz> How about an installer similar to that of Java Portable?
10:44:05 <ChrisMorgan> Depends on the registration issue.
10:49:47 <ChrisMorgan> Having looked at the overviews of their programs, I'd say they're mostly cheap rubbish, the SEO and WebPage things may be exceptions.
10:50:03 <ChrisMorgan> Most of them are just buzzword-based, with now real content.
10:50:45 <HypnoToad> like how traceroute is built into windows, yet they're still advertising as their product
10:51:50 <ChrisMorgan> It looks as though they extend tracert.
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10:54:46 <ChrisMorgan> WebPage's code output is horrible
10:55:20 <HypnoToad> tracert provides all that info
10:55:20 <ChrisMorgan> And its editor isn't all that great.
10:56:25 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, but not in a ListView! :o
10:58:44 <ChrisMorgan> For starters, it produces tags in capitals, with lowercase attributes, avoids quoting attributes if it can, and lots of other such sins :-)
11:00:27 <Horusofoz> I guess another one bites the dust :'( Ashes to ashes...
11:02:36 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, it's alright for someone who doesn't care about making good webpages. But that's about all :P
11:03:41 <ChrisMorgan> Even if you use its option to specify XHTML as the doctype, it still does CAPITAL tags and unquoted attributes...
11:10:37 <HypnoToad> does blue griffon do that?
11:10:56 <ChrisMorgan> Not a bit of it.
11:11:11 <ChrisMorgan> It does it *properly*, as do KompoZer and NVU (as you'd expect)
11:11:37 <ChrisMorgan> I think about the only really modern bit about WebPage is the ribbon.
11:12:16 <ChrisMorgan> It uses a really old-style source code edit component, with the old Borland-style "be able to go past the end of the line" thing if you know what I mean.
11:12:29 <ChrisMorgan> Which is very much out of date and dead and buried, and rightly so.
11:17:01 <Horusofoz> I guess it's a matter of waiting for Kompozer 0.8 or BlueGriffon then :(
11:17:35 <Horusofoz> Unless anyone here is aware of some rare freeware Wysiwyg that actually works ;)
11:18:16 <ChrisMorgan> I tried the Coffee Cup Free HTML one... but you don't get the source editor! :o
11:19:25 <Horusofoz> Wa Wha! How could there be a HTML editor without a Source editor??
11:21:02 <MaienM> Horusofoz: whats wrong with tinymce?
11:21:12 <ChrisMorgan> MAIENM!
11:21:19 <MaienM> hey, I'm just asking
11:21:19 <ChrisMorgan> YOU... you... !?
11:21:23 <Horusofoz> Using it offline?
11:21:26 <MaienM> I haven't used it in ages
11:21:32 <Horusofoz> Enlighten me
11:21:38 <ChrisMorgan> It's not for text files on a system, for starters...
11:21:43 <ChrisMorgan> And it's just plain horrible.
11:21:49 <MaienM> oh, nvm then :P
11:22:08 <ChrisMorgan> Use https://bespin.mozilla.com/ :D
11:22:09 <MaienM> didn't know you were looking for something to use on a system :P
11:22:39 <MaienM> also, out of curiosity, what makes tinymce so horrible ChrisMorgan?
11:22:51 <MaienM> wait..... isn't tinymce the editor joomla uses by default?
11:24:03 <MaienM> if it is, no need to explain why it is horrible, I already know D:
11:25:45 <Horusofoz> Is this any good for what it does? http://htmltools.sourceforge.net/
11:27:38 <Horusofoz> D(&^!I thought it was a desktop editor :(
11:30:54 <ChrisMorgan> MaienM: more the code.
11:31:06 <ChrisMorgan> that it produces
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12:58:08 <Horusofoz> Bug Bug Bug - http://portableapps.com/node/12978#comment-121906
13:00:24 <Horusofoz> MaienM: I'm looking at you :p
13:01:14 <Horusofoz> Just realised I needed to specify that that's in regards to the previous comment I posted otherwise that could read rather badly :D
13:01:24 <MaienM> I don't see how that is a bug :P
13:02:20 <Horusofoz> Not a software bug but rather me bugging you about the idea of making a launcher : )
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13:03:54 <HypnoToad> ohai dbdii407
13:04:29 <dbdii407> Hi? O.o
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13:15:19 <Bensawsome> >_>
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13:15:58 <Bensawsome> hello pa_8313. Can we help you with something?
13:16:25 <pa_8313> hi
13:16:43 <pa_8313> It took me a minute to figure out this page
13:17:04 <dbdii407> Eh. Don't worry about it. Freenode has a crappy client for chat. ;)
13:17:14 <pa_8313> Question: I am in an internet cafe and I have sumatra plus 7 zip on a memory stick
13:17:45 <pa_8313> I decided to vgive it a try, but somehow I'm locked out by admin, at leaswt I think
13:18:09 <Bensawsome> hmmm what does it do?
13:18:29 <pa_8313> Before I say what I am doing I am just seeing what kinds of problems I might get trying to be mobile without a laptop
13:18:43 <pa_8313> Is this a common problem?
13:18:59 <Bensawsome> not really. these apps should run without admin
13:19:20 <Bensawsome> also one thing you should be worried about at internet cafes is their computers being infested with viruses :/
13:19:34 <Bensawsome> most internet cafes really dont cleant their computers that often
13:20:06 <pa_8313> Yeah, I agree, I can ditch the memory stick, it';s just an old one used for testing test
13:20:24 <Bensawsome> you dont have to ditch it... just reformat it.
13:20:34 <pa_8313> perhaps I need to look at how I have configured the software
13:20:54 <pa_8313> I made some small executables of my own and they run fine, which is strange
13:21:07 <Bensawsome> but what is the error or whatever for our apps?
13:22:07 <pa_8313> I'm not entirely sure, I get explorer opening at My Documents when I try to run one of them
13:22:30 <pa_8313> plus the icons are not correct. Folder Icons???
13:22:36 <Bensawsome> hmmm
13:22:44 <Bensawsome> its may be blocking the executables
13:22:45 <pa_8313> say It's quite odd
13:23:00 <Bensawsome> some places makje their security so you can only launch certain things
13:23:21 <pa_8313> It runs my own programs that I made and compiled with AutoIt
13:24:25 <Bensawsome> hmmmm wierd
13:24:31 <pa_8313> I think you are right about what you say. Perhaps AutoIt apps slip through the net somehow
13:24:41 <pa_8313> Say yeah wierd
13:25:37 <pa_8313> anyway I have got to do some other stuff now. I'll come back to this later and inform you of any discoveries.
13:25:43 <Bensawsome> ok
13:25:48 <Bensawsome> i actuaslly have to go too :/
13:25:51 <Bensawsome> cya
13:25:53 <pa_8313> I love your stuff by the way
13:25:55 <pa_8313> later
13:26:28 <Bensawsome> :)
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13:29:50 <HypnoToad> love your stuff?
13:30:11 <HypnoToad> ...just a little weird.
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13:49:54 <pa_2884> Hi I have a quick question
13:50:23 <pa_2884> I cannot find any info on the integrated back up
13:50:36 <pa_2884> Does anyone have it?
13:57:58 <daBomb69|Sleep> pa_2884, what are you wondering about it?
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14:00:02 <daBomb69> btw, pa_2884, http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#backup
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14:08:58 <pa_2884> Does the back up have a password lock feature?
14:10:24 <daBomb69> no
14:11:12 <pa_2884> Is there some kind of lock software that will password protect the drive?
14:11:53 <Bensawsome> truecrypt but it requires admin priveledges...
14:12:06 <pa_2884> needs to be goof proof
14:12:09 <daBomb69> encripted zip/7zip file
14:12:50 <Bensawsome> 7zip could work
14:12:51 <pa_2884> Will U3 do this?
14:13:01 <Bensawsome> u3 does not encrypt it
14:13:11 <pa_2884> but will lock it?
14:13:11 <Bensawsome> but it does have pass protect
14:13:22 <Bensawsome> its not really that good protection though
14:13:37 <pa_2884> I have a client that wants U3 but i cannot give it to them
14:13:38 <Bensawsome> someone could get past it if they really tried.
14:13:55 <pa_2884> I was looking for alternatives
14:14:41 <Bensawsome> hmmm well either way we dont have any good encyption for portableapps. the only one thats good is truecrypt but like i said ti requires admin priveledges
14:14:45 <Bensawsome> *encryption
14:15:13 <pa_2884> Excellent, thank you all for your help!
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14:17:58 <pa_2884> What do you mean by admin privliges?
14:18:41 <daBomb69> pa_2884, as in, if (on windows) your not signed into the admin account, you can't install TC
14:18:59 <Bensawsome> daBomb69 no not install you cant run it
14:19:04 <pa_2884> got it, thx
14:19:27 <Bensawsome> it requires a driver. so it wont work on most public computers because you dont have admin priviledges
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14:48:21 <Bensawsome> * pa_9404 has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) <-- how did that happen?!
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14:50:45 <MaienM> his browser crashed/got closed in a unclean way
14:51:00 <MaienM> so the widget didn't get a chance to close the connection normally
14:51:05 <MaienM> or so I would assume :P
14:51:07 <daBomb69> MaienM, that would be a connection reset by peer
14:51:29 <MaienM> nope, it wouldn't.... not always anyway
14:51:58 <MaienM> or his internet connection failed.... thats possible too :P
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15:15:33 <Bensawsome> lol watch. now that ff3.5 is out we gonna get a million requests to update it XD
15:16:23 <daBomb69> yarly
15:16:42 <Bensawsome> now to backup my desktop profiles and update :D
15:18:53 <MaienM> heh, I already was on 3.5 :P
15:19:17 <MaienM> I've had it crash a lot today tho D:
15:21:10 <Oni-Neoxes> MaienM: They JUST released it...
15:22:03 <MaienM> I've been using the RC's and stuff for a while now...... maybe they pushed a update for 3.5rc? > 3.5 earlier?
15:22:12 <MaienM> dunno, but my about info shows 3.5 so :P
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15:29:23 <Bensawsome> MaienM it shows 3.5 even on the rc :/
15:30:49 <Oni-Neoxes> i lol'd
15:30:58 * daBomb69 d'lol
15:31:19 <MaienM> the update dialog doesn't show anything either tho...... and showing 3.5 on a RC is pretty much fail :P
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15:34:01 <Oni-Neoxes> MaienM: Bensawsome: I have the answer >.>
15:34:12 <Oni-Neoxes> MaienM: Bensawsome: "This is basically Firefox 3.5 RC3 (signed 24-jun-09) that they decided to push as the final release (it wasn't branded as an RC anyway), so people who already had installed RC3 have indeed the final release."
15:34:39 <MaienM> as I said, I already was on 3.5 :P
15:34:50 <Oni-Neoxes> MaienM: im just sayingf
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16:00:12 <JohnTHaller> mornin
16:00:33 <Oni-Neoxes> Good Morning JohnTHaller
16:00:44 <daBomb69> 'Ello JohnTHaller
16:00:54 <Oni-Neoxes> Firefox 3.5 is finally out.
16:01:09 <Oni-Neoxes> but the truth is, It's RC3. It's been pushed out.
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16:01:34 <pa_4803> Hi is Bensawsome around?
16:01:47 <Oni-Neoxes> Bensawsome: PING!
16:02:13 <pa_4803> I spoke to him earlier about testing some portable apps in an internet cafe
16:02:21 <pa_4803> They didn't work
16:02:31 <pa_4803> I may know why
16:03:09 <pa_4803> Though I'm not certain. I may have not installed correctly
16:03:29 <pa_4803> However if that is not the case then the files were corrupted somehow
16:03:47 <pa_4803> The exe files have dissapeared from the memory stick
16:04:17 <pa_4803> leaving only the associated files such as data folder info
16:05:02 <pa_4803> Therefore I am presuming that the files were probably deleted by the security being run in the internet cafe
16:06:02 <pa_4803> I must try again to be certain that thi9s is what has happened
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16:08:32 <pa_4803> I installed Sumatra PDF and 7-zip without any other applications such as the platform.
16:08:42 <pa_4803> Maybe that's why it didn't work
16:09:21 <pa_4803> I presumed the apps would run without the platform. Maybe that's not true. Any ideas?
16:09:31 <pa_4803> comments?
16:09:41 <Oni-Neoxes> Thinking. hold on
16:09:46 <MaienM> the apps should run fine without the platform, so thats not the issue
16:10:30 <pa_4803> I don't know what CTCP version is about?
16:10:59 <MaienM> CTCP version is something on IRC that can be used to see what client you are using
16:11:09 <MaienM> in your case, that would be the sidget
16:11:10 <pa_4803> ok
16:11:22 <pa_4803> I'm just using firefox
16:11:38 <pa_4803> I guess it's some standard
16:21:11 <pa_4803> update. Sorry the exe's haven't dissapeared from the stick.. It's still strange what happened in the internet cafe though.
16:22:13 <pa_4803> The icons were incorrect, and everytime I tried to run something from the stick, explorer opened my documents on C drive
16:22:55 <pa_4803> I can only presume that their computer is all messed up
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16:23:45 <rcmaehl> dang it
16:24:11 <rcmaehl> I accidently removed my founder flag in my channel
16:24:39 * Oni-Neoxes coughsupportcough
16:25:00 * rcmaehl headdesk
16:26:58 <daBomb69> rcmaehl, support going on
16:28:11 <pa_4803> Does anyone use portable apps in internet cafes or am I the only idiot around here?
16:28:22 <rcmaehl> i does
16:28:35 <pa_4803> OK That mkakes me feel better
16:28:56 <rcmaehl> But I have like 3 firewalls
16:29:15 <rcmaehl> and I don't go to any sites that I need to log in at
16:29:21 <pa_4803> 3 firewalls? on the stick?
16:29:45 <rcmaehl> YEs
16:30:00 <pa_4803> what are they, if you don't mind me asking?
16:30:23 <rcmaehl> Some portable porgrams from portablefreeware.com
16:30:38 <rcmaehl> I dont have my falsh drive right now
16:30:40 <pa_4803> I'll take a look thanks
16:35:16 <rcmaehl> yw
16:35:48 <pa_4803> Well, I searched firewall and didn't get much matching that description
16:36:19 <pa_4803> I like the idea of a firewall to protect a memory stick from the computer you plug into
16:36:59 <pa_4803> Problem is that they have to communicate somehow!
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16:40:49 <SteveLamerton> JohnTHaller, you've got mail ;)
16:43:05 <Oni-Neoxes> lets see here. I'm officially Changing IRC again :D
16:43:34 <rcmaehl> hold on i will find them
16:44:02 <rcmaehl> pa_4803,
16:44:03 <rcmaehl> ok
16:44:10 <daBomb69> Oni-Neoxes, nice :)
16:44:16 <pa_4803> hi thanks
16:44:18 <Oni-Neoxes> I see what you done thar dabomb69 >.>
16:44:23 <daBomb69> lol
16:44:40 <Oni-Neoxes> just gatta get all my server list and stuff over
16:44:42 <daBomb69> nice to see ur usinag a real client again
16:45:02 <Oni-Neoxes> I decided to since there were like, no scripts for KVirc
16:45:07 <pa_4803> I have half an hour before I got to go
16:45:21 <SteveLamerton> Have to go guys, be back later, be good ;)
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16:47:23 <rcmaehl> lots of pages
16:47:28 <rcmaehl> Hav eot find it
16:49:18 <pa_4803> Don't worry if it's a hassle
16:49:28 <rcmaehl> you can look for it yourself by clicking all at the top of the page
16:49:37 <pa_4803> I'll have more time to search later
16:49:40 <rcmaehl> http://www.portablefreeware.com/all.php
16:49:52 <pa_4803> I will give it a good look
16:50:08 <Oni-Neoxes> dabomb69: You still there?
16:51:06 <pa_4803> Nice :)
16:51:13 <rcmaehl> yw
16:51:14 <daBomb69> Oni-Neoxes, of course
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16:53:23 <rcmaehl> o_O
16:53:35 <rcmaehl> Hey IRC security program
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16:54:28 <rcmaehl> http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=1155
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16:55:09 <pa_4803> I'm kind of new to this. I want to run some of this and backtrack, which I haven't tried yet
16:55:09 <rcmaehl> heh
16:55:44 <pa_4803> http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack_download.html
16:55:56 <pa_4803> backtrack linux
16:56:01 <rcmaehl> brb
16:56:04 <daBomb69> thats a full OS btw
16:56:11 <pa_4803> yeah I know
16:56:17 <pa_4803> Looks crazy
16:57:44 <pa_4803> Also runs from memory stick
16:57:53 <daBomb69> srsly?
16:57:56 <daBomb69> sweet :D
16:58:40 <rcmaehl> I have a OS that runs on a stick
16:58:46 <rcmaehl> It's called windows
16:58:48 <rcmaehl> XP
16:59:30 <rcmaehl> I compreesed windows xp and moved it to my flash drive
16:59:48 <pa_4803> Yeah!
17:00:03 <daBomb69> rcmaehl, fail
17:00:27 <rcmaehl> IT WORKS
17:00:48 <MaienM> lies
17:00:50 <rcmaehl> Took me forever with the help of like 10 other people
17:01:06 <MaienM> non-portable windows doesn't even work, so no way a portable version does :P
17:01:07 <rcmaehl> but it can only run on a computer that has windows xp
17:01:29 <pa_4803> That's cheating
17:01:33 <rcmaehl> or else it won't work
17:01:45 <rcmaehl> NO it's called inovation'
17:01:55 <pa_4803> I know what you mean
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17:02:09 <pa_4803> I was thinking of doing something like that
17:02:15 <rcmaehl> It's frakin awesome
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17:02:44 <rcmaehl> IT has all my themes
17:02:49 <rcmaehl> the user accounts
17:02:51 <rcmaehl> etc.
17:03:05 <pa_4803> You built a dir system
17:03:12 <rcmaehl> basically
17:03:17 <pa_4803> Which isn't an OS
17:03:23 <rcmaehl> ...
17:03:30 <pa_4803> Still very nice to have though
17:03:37 <rcmaehl> Yeah
17:03:49 <rcmaehl> but it took forever
17:03:54 <rcmaehl> like 6 months
17:04:07 <pa_4803> I suppose it depends on the level of detail
17:04:22 <rcmaehl> It's very detailed
17:04:35 <rcmaehl> I wanted to get as close to the acutally OS as possible
17:04:40 <rcmaehl> without
17:04:49 <pa_4803> Sounds interseting
17:04:50 <rcmaehl> using too much memory
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17:05:58 <pa_4803> I just saw that my desktop was full and decided to create a second one
17:06:05 <rcmaehl> ...
17:06:14 <pa_4803> Then I couldn't think what to fill it up with
17:06:24 <pa_4803> Then I discovered portable apps
17:06:35 <rcmaehl> PA rocks
17:06:42 <pa_4803> Yeah
17:07:19 <rcmaehl> guys
17:07:47 <rcmaehl> you guys need to make something like this
17:07:48 <rcmaehl> http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=1188
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17:08:02 <rcmaehl> with html tutorials
17:08:53 <MaienM> rcmaehl: we have Notepad++ Portable ;)
17:08:58 <rcmaehl> ...
17:09:07 <rcmaehl> but it doesnt have tutorials
17:09:13 <MaienM> nope
17:09:25 <MaienM> but HTML tutorials are totally unrelated to portable apps
17:09:31 <pa_4803> I might be sticking my neck out a bit here
17:09:32 <rcmaehl> ohrly
17:09:47 <MaienM> there are excelent sites which are related to that though ;)
17:10:05 <pa_4803> I made this http://www.linemagic.co.uk/
17:10:30 <pa_4803> The website isn't finished and it's purpose will probably change
17:10:46 <pa_4803> It's slightly buggy but safe
17:11:45 <pa_4803> The melody to the music on the projects page was composed by a robot I created
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17:16:40 <rcmaehl> most annoying page ever -> http://tr.im/qfmx
17:16:40 <GizmoBot> sar3th says hello to everyone!
17:16:44 <rcmaehl> hellko
17:16:54 <daBomb69> .title
17:16:55 <GizmoBot> daBomb69: YOU GOT RICK ROLL'D
17:17:05 <Bensawsome> its that one :/
17:17:09 <rcmaehl> hey can I get one of those join msgs
17:17:20 <daBomb69> rcmaehl, no
17:17:30 <daBomb69> Bensawsome, it's the pop-up one
17:17:37 <rcmaehl> I wnat: Oh, no it's the annoyance. Head for the Hills
17:17:38 <Bensawsome> yep thats what i thought :/
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17:19:52 <sar3th> hello pa_4367, how can we help you?
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17:20:07 <daBomb69> Hi [previously
17:20:13 <[previously> Hi
17:20:22 <[previously> That was the most annoying p-age ever
17:20:47 <sar3th> please do not post such links in here
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17:21:37 <[previously> OK well it's been interresting, but now I have to go.
17:21:40 <rcmaehl> I was tricked earlyer
17:22:09 <[previously> Thanks to you folks.
17:22:14 <rcmaehl> Jun 30 11:59:55 <daBomb69> rcmaehl, http://tr.im/qfmx
17:22:21 <daBomb69> heh
17:22:23 <rcmaehl> daBomb69, evil
17:22:24 <[previously> Not again
17:22:27 <daBomb69> wan't here tho :P
17:22:36 <rcmaehl> ?
17:23:00 <daBomb69> wasn't in #portableapps, so PWNT
17:23:06 <rcmaehl> oh
17:23:52 <JohnTHaller> do NOT post links like that in this room under ANY circumstances or you will be banned.
17:23:54 <MaienM> rcmaehl: stuff like there doesn't belong in here, please refrain from posting links like that in the main room in the future
17:24:01 <rcmaehl> ok
17:24:54 <daBomb69> Hey Bensawsome,
17:25:04 <JohnTHaller> If I work working on a page edit that took me 15 minutes and someone linked me that I would ban them right now.
17:26:01 <Bensawsome> ya daBomb69?
17:26:14 <daBomb69> -ot
17:26:57 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: just so you know (and others), in firefox you can use the middle mouse button (scroll) to close a tab. Simply press enter to press the "ok" on the popup, and then quickly close the tab using the middle mouse button. This way you can prevent having to kill the process
17:27:52 <[previously> bye
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17:28:04 <rcmaehl> bye
17:30:16 <rcmaehl> hey I found a module for PA.com
17:30:29 <rcmaehl> http://drupal.org/project/userloginbar
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17:40:11 <JohnTHaller> not sure if we want to pester users with it at the top of the screen like that...
17:40:24 <rcmaehl> hmmm
17:40:56 <rcmaehl> I made a user menu using PHP
17:40:58 <JohnTHaller> Anyone have a language request for Firefox Portable 3.5? I'm already adding Dutch, Hungarian, Polish, Portuguese, PortugueseBrazil, Spanish, SpanishInternational, Russian and Traditional Chinese.
17:41:13 <rcmaehl> German
17:41:19 <MaienM> even though I don't care for it myself, maybe german?
17:41:19 <Bensawsome> hebrew?
17:41:21 <rcmaehl> Netherlan ds
17:41:29 <MaienM> rcmaehl: Dutch = Nederlands :P
17:41:43 <rcmaehl> oh
17:41:44 <JohnTHaller> Already do german
17:41:51 <JohnTHaller> Hebrew?
17:42:02 <JohnTHaller> think there are enough users?
17:44:05 <Bensawsome> hmmm not sure. i'd do it myself but im not fluent enough :(
17:44:16 <Bensawsome> don't we have hebrew for the menu though?
17:45:04 <JohnTHaller> we have 34 languages for the menu and 58 for the installer. but we're not doing em all yet. i'm trying to hit the big ones that lots of people have asked for.
17:45:22 <Bensawsome> ah ok
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17:47:02 <JohnTHaller> I'll stick with the 15 I've got for now. We'll add more in the latter releases
17:47:30 <JohnTHaller> I updated my build scripts so it's relatively easy to add things (just add a new line and add in the translation for the launcher and option page)
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18:19:09 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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18:20:09 <MaienM> hello SteveLamerton
18:20:16 <SteveLamerton> Heya MaienM
18:22:18 <SteveLamerton> All quiet I see
18:22:30 * daBomb69 yells BOOM!
18:22:37 <Bensawsome> is google down or something?
18:22:42 * rcmaehl runs around confused
18:22:46 <rcmaehl> and scared
18:22:48 <Oni-Neoxes> Firefox 3.5 got past the 1 millionth download
18:22:49 <Bensawsome> i been trying to do a search and it wont work :/
18:22:56 <Bensawsome> .o down google.com
18:22:58 <GizmoBot> It's up.
18:22:58 <Bensawsome> >_>
18:23:01 <Bensawsome> :/
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18:23:18 <sar3th> works for me, Bensawsome
18:23:25 <SteveLamerton> Bensawsome, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
18:23:41 <sar3th> SteveLamerton: that is exactly what .o down does ;)
18:24:19 <SteveLamerton> sar3th, aaaah ok ;) I was going to say for when Bensawsome isn't on irc, but I am not sure that happens ;)
18:24:27 <Bensawsome> lol
18:24:33 <sar3th> ^^
18:24:55 <Bensawsome> btw SteveLamerton as long as im connected to the internet im on irc :P
18:25:03 <Bensawsome> lol
18:25:33 * daBomb69 is amazed Bensawsome isn't on IRC even when he's not on the internet :P
18:25:49 <Bensawsome> fail :P
18:25:49 <jnw222> wow
18:26:13 <Oni-Neoxes> <_<
18:26:34 <MaienM> in sovjet russia, IRC is on YOU!!
18:26:40 <jnw222> LOL
18:27:01 <daBomb69> sovjet?
18:27:01 <jnw222> firefox 3.5 is out (not the portable, the offical)
18:27:47 * JohnTHaller is compiling/testing Firefox Portable 3.5 now... in 15 languages now!
18:27:53 <daBomb69> WOOT!
18:28:00 * daBomb69 high 5s JohnTHaller
18:30:43 <Oni-Neoxes> <.<
18:34:33 * jnw222 WOOT
18:35:07 <JohnTHaller> so, I can't release it, since SF is in the middle of a redesign and admin stuff is offline :-(
18:35:36 * jnw222 has a very slow internet connection
18:35:59 <jnw222> well, 3.5rc3 if you have it, works well
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18:41:18 * jnw222 wants a Intel Core i7 processor
18:43:02 * sar3th wants intel vPRO
18:43:16 <sar3th> (in addition to an i7 ;)
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18:44:02 <jnw222> +beats the **** out of an intel p4 dual-core 2.8ghz
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18:52:38 * JohnTHaller is uploading Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 3.5...
18:54:45 <Bensawsome> wewtage
18:56:11 <jnw222> yay
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19:03:06 <sar3th> sourceforge is experiencing issues at the moment..probably related to the redesign mentioned earlier
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19:08:36 <JohnTHaller> Wow, takes a long time to upload 15 languages.
19:09:17 <Bensawsome> lol what you using? ftp or sftp?
19:09:22 <Bensawsome> or something else
19:11:25 <Havvy> JohnTHaller: You doing the FFP3.5 right now?
19:11:59 <Bensawsome> Havvy it will show on the home page. wait like everyon else
19:12:14 <DaveDixonII> ZachThibeau:
19:12:18 <DaveDixonII> You there?
19:12:32 <Havvy> I'm not asking anybody stop what they are doing, just wondering if that's what is 15 languages;
19:13:15 <JohnTHaller> Yup. FFP just finished uploading. Updating pages and configs now.
19:13:28 <jnw222> YAY
19:13:56 <Havvy> Does it do a clean overwrite of FF3.0.x?
19:14:21 <JohnTHaller> of course not. it does an in-place upgrade as always
19:14:25 <jnw222> most likely
19:14:32 <jnw222> unlike test releases
19:15:16 <JohnTHaller> oh yeah. it upgrades 3.0 preserving data as usual
19:15:41 <ZachThibeau> O_O sf.net changed their style again
19:15:52 <jnw222> lol
19:17:03 <jnw222> wow it has a clean redesign
19:17:18 <jnw222> no more orange
19:17:38 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton :)
19:18:19 <ZachThibeau> I can't say I like their logo but at least the layout is decent
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19:20:20 * Bensawsome looks what color it is now
19:20:27 * Bensawsome is glad it isnt orange no more though
19:20:40 * jnw222 misses the orange theme
19:21:02 <ZachThibeau> this layout isn't bandwidth consuming :P
19:21:06 <ZachThibeau> at least for me xD
19:21:10 <sar3th> it looks a lot cleaner now
19:21:20 <sar3th> ZachThibeau: yeah, it's much faster
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19:25:42 <SteveLamerton> Heya ZachThibeau
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19:30:57 * jnw222 kinds of likes the old Sf theme better
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19:42:33 <JohnTHaller> looks like SF is still screwed up
19:43:22 <MaienM> it always is, to some degree :(
19:43:57 <sar3th> that is a very true sentence :(
19:45:10 <JohnTHaller> well, FFP is up and posted, but SF isn't pushing out the new release
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19:48:37 <GizmoBot> OliverK was fragged, forgive his mind be scattered . . .
19:48:58 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello OliverK
19:49:05 <OliverK> howdy Oni-Neoxes
19:49:29 <ZachThibeau> howdy OliverK
19:49:37 <OliverK> howdy ZachThibeau
19:49:42 <SteveLamerton> Hi OliverK
19:49:49 <OliverK> HOWDY SteveLamerton
19:49:55 <OliverK> stupid caps :(
19:50:00 <SteveLamerton> Wooo, I get caps lock ;)
19:50:04 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
19:51:00 <OliverK> :D
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19:55:55 <JohnTHaller> I posted a site-wide notice about the SF downloads issue
19:59:24 <ZachThibeau> SteveLamerton: whats you take on http://zachthibeau.pastebin.com/m529627a and what would you suggest to replace it to make PChat more portable because I'm stumped xD
20:01:04 <SteveLamerton> ZachThibeau, so basically it is looking for the appdata folder, if I were you I would create an nsis launcher to pass a command line data folder parameter and then just grab that in your app instead
20:02:53 <SteveLamerton> Or just get the path to your exe (I think the win32 call is GetModuleName) and modify it accordingly
20:07:27 <ZachThibeau> I would probably prefer it make a config folder exe level so I'll try the GetModuleName, I'm trying this as currently my PChat source is writting to appdata
20:08:24 <ZachThibeau> but thanks for the insight :)
20:08:47 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, toucan just grabs the exe location and messes around with it (using the nice wxwidgets functions though :P)
20:09:23 <ZachThibeau> lol
20:13:46 <ZachThibeau> dang I suck at programming xD
20:13:56 <ZachThibeau> at least atm
20:13:58 <ZachThibeau> :P
20:14:18 <OliverK> in comparison to whom?
20:14:47 <ZachThibeau> to anyone period :P
20:15:08 <ZachThibeau> meaning atm I'm bad enough a chimp could code faster than me xD
20:15:49 <SteveLamerton> And at least a chimp might do it right by accident ;)
20:16:02 <OliverK> hmm
20:16:09 <ZachThibeau> lol
20:17:06 <SteveLamerton> Glad you liked it ZachThibeau ;)
20:18:20 <ZachThibeau> well the GetModuleFileName is winapi function I'm looking at it and so far what I have is GetModuleFileName(null <- Null so that it can get the path of running executable according to msdn but the rest I'm still trying to figure out
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20:21:25 <SteveLamerton> Off the top of my head something like this TCHAR path[MAX_PATH];
20:21:25 <SteveLamerton> GetModuleFileName(NULL,path,MAX_PATH);
20:21:44 <ZachThibeau> :D
20:22:06 <ZachThibeau> I actually just came (almost actually) to the same conclusion :D
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20:23:07 <SteveLamerton> Go you :D
20:23:23 <sar3th> lol..infrarecorder ftw!
20:23:35 <sar3th> sorry for ot, but i had to tell you ;)
20:23:44 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
20:24:17 <Oni-Neoxes> hey guys. whats the best computer language to learn for first timers <.<?
20:24:37 <SteveLamerton> Oni-Neoxes, what sort of stuff do you want to write?
20:24:40 <OliverK> C++
20:24:45 <Oni-Neoxes> I really got to learn something ove rthe summer
20:24:52 <Oni-Neoxes> I would love to help make portableapps
20:25:01 <Oni-Neoxes> at the same time web develope. Like CSS
20:25:08 <OliverK> actually, alot of things like perl and c++ run in similiar viens
20:25:09 <SteveLamerton> OliverK, it wouldnt be my first recommendation, hardly easy leaning is it ;)
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20:25:30 <OliverK> true, but it worth alot more then something like NSIS
20:25:37 <OliverK> well, NSIS is good for luanchers
20:25:39 <SteveLamerton> If you want to do web and desktop then maybe something like ruby or python
20:25:46 <SteveLamerton> OliverK, very true
20:25:56 <OliverK> or perl
20:25:59 <Oni-Neoxes> and portableapps?
20:26:02 <OliverK> i has free perl resources
20:26:06 <Oni-Neoxes> isn't it C++ or NSIS?
20:26:18 <sar3th> Oni-Neoxes: nsis
20:26:25 <OliverK> anything that once its compiled, it has no dependanecies
20:26:30 <OliverK> its currently nsis
20:26:30 <sar3th> the platform is delphi(isn't it)
20:27:00 <OliverK> yeah
20:27:04 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, menu is delphi, launchers / installers are nsis
20:27:29 <OliverK> which kinda sucks (not linux friendly) but it isn't worth recoding at this point
20:27:47 <sar3th> an advantage is, however that the binaries are static :)
20:28:04 <sar3th> that's why they usually work perfect under wine
20:28:21 <OliverK> really?
20:28:23 <OliverK> nice
20:28:30 <OliverK> i haven't ried wine yet
20:28:44 <sar3th> OliverK: some (basic) 3d-apps i wrote worked :)
20:28:55 <OliverK> nice
20:29:10 <OliverK> no one I know uses linux, so i don't have that issue :D
20:29:38 <sar3th> and, delphi is a quite friendly language :)
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20:29:44 <OliverK> hmm. . .
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20:31:45 <SteveLamerton> Do you not need a paid for version of delphi to develop for the menu though?
20:32:17 <OliverK> i think so
20:35:11 <sar3th> SteveLamerton, OliverK: yes :(
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20:38:36 <OliverK> whats got the get parent macro for NSIS?
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20:46:32 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/node/19800
20:47:06 <Oni-Neoxes> Wow! Nice
20:47:21 <daBomb69> nice!
20:51:40 <Oni-Neoxes> So no luck with the Parent macro for NSIS?
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20:56:34 <OliverK> i'm not sure
20:56:36 <OliverK> honest;ly
20:56:53 <Oni-Neoxes> oh well :p
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21:10:48 <OliverK> howdy Espreon
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21:11:02 <Espreon> Hello OliverK.
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21:15:33 <zoonzox> why can't i download portable firefox 3.5
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21:17:02 <zoonzox> i tried, but it only directed me to a list of apps that only gave me the test version, or firefox 3.0.11
21:17:27 <JohnTHaller> Did you miss the big announcement right at the top of the site?
21:17:37 <zoonzox> possibly, what did it say
21:18:20 <zoonzox> oh, i see it now, thanks
21:18:22 <JohnTHaller> "Please Note: Due to a SourceForge.net system issue, some portable app downloads will be unavailable at different times. Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 3.5 downloads are currently affected. This issue will be resolved later today. We apologize for any inconvenience."
21:18:36 <zoonzox> thanks again
21:18:41 <JohnTHaller> ok. it's posted, just can;'t download
21:18:45 <JohnTHaller> hopefully will be fixed soon
21:18:53 <JohnTHaller> then I can post Pidgin and others, too
21:19:03 <zoonzox> good
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21:19:25 <AppGuy> Is that why it is not listed in the "What's New" column?
21:19:36 <OliverK> sweet
21:20:15 <JohnTHaller> yeah. I haven't posted about it. I will once people can download it.
21:20:28 <OliverK> awesome
21:20:37 <AppGuy> can't wait
21:20:48 <JohnTHaller> but they're all uploaded. all 15 languages. wish SF would start workin again.
21:24:29 <AppGuy> i think alot of people wish that
21:32:36 <OliverK> laters all
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21:34:14 <AppGuy> cya everyone
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21:48:21 <mibuser> JohnTHaller: download of 3.5 appears to have been succuessful
21:48:43 <mibuser> hopfully things are clearing up
21:49:57 <JohnTHaller> yup, they just switched the site back
21:53:05 <JohnTHaller> removed the notice, posting the announcement
21:54:00 <ZachThibeau> brb
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21:55:58 <daBomb69> we're on page 2 in a search for the term portableapps on SF
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22:05:01 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello all
22:07:01 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 3.5: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-30_-_firefox_portable_3.5
22:07:11 <Oni-Neoxes> WOO!
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22:07:38 <Oni-Neoxes> 1st download :3
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22:08:41 <Bensawsome> Oni-Neoxes nope :P i dled it before :P
22:09:16 <Oni-Neoxes> I been done
22:09:22 <Oni-Neoxes> :3
22:09:23 <Bensawsome> when? :P
22:09:31 <Oni-Neoxes> like 2 minutes ago :D
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22:09:41 <Bensawsome> i did it before he even said ti was release
22:09:43 <Bensawsome> i dled it ~15 minutes
22:09:45 <Bensawsome> ago
22:09:54 <Bensawsome> 5:56 pm to be exact :P
22:09:58 <Oni-Neoxes> orly XD
22:10:14 <Bensawsome> yarly ;)
22:10:28 <Oni-Neoxes> Obvious troll is obvious O:
22:10:41 <Bensawsome> lol...
22:10:50 <Oni-Neoxes> now to install this thing :D
22:10:51 <Bensawsome> no seriously i dled it at 5:56 :P
22:10:58 <Oni-Neoxes> like I care XD
22:11:13 <Bensawsome> lol
22:11:28 <Oni-Neoxes> btw. Bensawsome. I think you been lying to me <.<
22:11:40 <daBomb69> Bensawsome, what time zone u in?
22:11:45 <Bensawsome> lol want a screeny Oni-Neoxes?
22:11:51 <Bensawsome> and daBomb69 est
22:11:57 <daBomb69> Bensawsome, k
22:12:04 <Oni-Neoxes> OliverK told me you have been working on Python for Portable XChat!
22:12:26 <Bensawsome> .... no... i have not...
22:12:34 <Bensawsome> not me. maybe someone else
22:12:47 <Oni-Neoxes> He was helping me getting Perl on it but I need a Parent Macro to compile it :\
22:12:53 <Bensawsome> lol
22:13:06 <Oni-Neoxes> he told me you tried working on it <.<
22:13:28 <Bensawsome> no... i worked on a few of those scripts you saw on my site
22:13:35 <Oni-Neoxes> >.>
22:13:39 <Oni-Neoxes> DANG IT D:<
22:13:40 <Bensawsome> but i didnt work on getting perl itself into portable xchat
22:13:43 <Bensawsome> lol
22:14:02 <Oni-Neoxes> New firefox logo looks good :D
22:14:33 <Oni-Neoxes> also, you have any idea where I can get a parent macro to compile with xchatportable <.<?
22:15:32 <daBomb69> i don't see the difference
22:15:43 <Oni-Neoxes> daBomb69, ?
22:15:53 <JohnTHaller> Digg it! http://digg.com/software/Mozilla_Firefox_Portable_3_5_Released_by_PortableApps_com
22:15:58 <Oni-Neoxes> I will!
22:16:12 <Bensawsome> DIGG DIGG DIGG DIGG DIGG DIGG DIGG DIGG
22:16:14 <Oni-Neoxes> caaaan youuuu diiiig iiiiit
22:16:14 <Bensawsome> lol
22:16:30 * daBomb69 is digging
22:16:36 * Oni-Neoxes is dugging
22:16:39 <Oni-Neoxes> DIG DUG :D
22:16:45 * Bensawsome is digleting
22:16:46 * daBomb69 fell through the hole
22:16:46 <Bensawsome> XD
22:16:55 <daBomb69> Bensawsome, naice :P
22:16:57 <Bensawsome> wewt! 2nd digg :D lol
22:17:00 <daBomb69> Oni-Neoxes, THAT GAME ROX!
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22:17:56 <Oni-Neoxes> ello ZachThibeau
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22:20:23 <Oni-Neoxes> hello AppGuy
22:20:33 <AppGuy> hey Oni-Neoxes
22:20:46 <daBomb69> AppGuy! :D
22:21:34 <AppGuy> hey JohnTHaller, could you update the Private Browsing by Portableapps.com launcher you made so that the plugins are compatible with firefox 3.5?
22:21:54 <AppGuy> oh, and hey daBomb69
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22:24:41 <Oni-Neoxes> .seen gizmokid2005
22:24:42 <GizmoBot> Oni-Neoxes: I last saw gizmokid2005 at 2009-06-30 01:19:32 UTC on #Gizmokid2005
22:24:49 <Oni-Neoxes> hmm
22:25:02 <Oni-Neoxes> .tell Gizmokid2005 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/firebug_addons
22:25:03 <GizmoBot> Oni-Neoxes: As pabot is currently down, please use MemoServ instead so no .tells are missed. (/msg MemoServ help)
22:25:08 <Oni-Neoxes> Darn D:
22:25:18 <AppGuy> having fun?
22:25:31 <ZachThibeau> AppGuy: private browsing is in Firefox 3.5 by default now :P
22:26:47 <AppGuy> oh i see what you mean but it launches faster, i like that part
22:27:19 <AppGuy> it runs much faster!!
22:28:11 <Oni-Neoxes> AppGuy, and it has a new logo :D
22:28:32 <AppGuy> i know, it looks cool :)
22:28:55 <Oni-Neoxes> >.>
22:29:13 <AppGuy> so i guess i will uninstall it :(
22:29:37 <Oni-Neoxes> O_O
22:29:39 <Oni-Neoxes> WHAT!
22:30:01 <AppGuy> no the Private Browsing launcher, not firefox itself
22:30:05 <Oni-Neoxes> oh
22:30:43 <AppGuy> although, i liked it because it would run faster (Private Browsing Launcher)
22:34:19 <AppGuy> just saw this, there is no check for updates choice in the menu
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22:49:09 <NPH0RM> hi
22:49:13 <NPH0RM> quick question
22:49:20 <NPH0RM> where is Stick Portable?
22:49:28 <Oni-Neoxes> Stick Portable?
22:50:03 <NPH0RM> yes, i have 2.8.0.82 downloaded some time ago, but i cant find it now
22:50:15 <Oni-Neoxes> let me check
22:50:25 <NPH0RM> thx
22:52:07 <NPH0RM> i can get it here http://www.iwonderdesigns.com/?s=stick
22:52:21 <NPH0RM> but i know, there was a portable version of this
22:53:22 <Oni-Neoxes> What I found is they have a portable version on their site
22:53:32 <Oni-Neoxes> http://www.iwonderdesigns.com/?s=stick and go to the bottom right
22:53:39 <NPH0RM> ohh really?
22:53:45 <Bensawsome> stick to-go
22:53:47 <Oni-Neoxes> Stick-to-go
22:53:49 <Bensawsome> they call it that
22:53:51 <Bensawsome> lol
22:53:54 <NPH0RM> nice
22:54:12 <NPH0RM> ok i think, i got it therefrom ;)
22:54:27 <NPH0RM> thank you for research ;)
22:54:45 <Oni-Neoxes> No problem
22:54:47 <NPH0RM> but seems, it has nothing to do with portable apps
22:55:32 <NPH0RM> btw, nice prog
22:55:52 <Oni-Neoxes> It does look nice
22:56:31 <NPH0RM> try it, the notes function is really handy
23:03:05 <NPH0RM> another great tool is Rainlendar2, maybe you like it too
23:03:10 <NPH0RM> so im off, thx for help
23:03:11 <NPH0RM> cia
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23:20:46 <AppGuy> two zachs
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23:22:30 <AppGuy> what the heck is goin on in here, 3 Zachs!!
23:22:44 <daBomb69> AppGuy, could bew worse, there could be 4
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23:37:22 <daBomb69> Hey, jw, do we have to use the most recent version of the PA launcher and stuff for our apps?
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23:38:27 <jnw222> i don't think so, fireofx 3.5 SHOULD work with something like launcher 1.0
23:38:49 <jnw222> but what is the harm in upgrading to PA menu 1.5.2
23:39:14 <daBomb69> jnw222, thats the menu, the launcher is the nsis stuff :P
23:39:24 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, u know?
23:39:47 <jnw222> oops
23:40:29 <jnw222> i would use a very recent nsis and format/installer 0.91
23:40:50 <daBomb69> you would... but, do we have to...
23:40:58 <Bensawsome> SPARTA! http://portableapps.com/node/19799 =_+
23:42:07 <daBomb69> Bensawsome, that != sparta
23:42:51 <Bensawsome> no i mean go sparta on him =_+
23:42:57 <jnw222> !
23:42:58 <daBomb69> oh, YA!
23:43:12 <daBomb69> SPARTA!
23:44:58 <ZachThibeau> :) yay you fixed your layout daBomb69 took you long enough xD
23:45:58 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, what?
23:46:06 <ZachThibeau> http://portableapps.com/node/18311
23:46:11 <ZachThibeau> thats what :P
23:46:17 <daBomb69> ya, what about it?
23:46:24 <daBomb69> i fixed the # 5
23:46:24 <ZachThibeau> <ZachThibeau> :) yay you fixed your layout daBomb69 took you long enough xD
23:46:38 <ZachThibeau> if you didn't see the reason then you fail
23:46:39 <ZachThibeau> :P
23:46:42 <jnw222> release dates on page?
23:46:44 <jnw222> !
23:46:52 <daBomb69> uhh... it's been fixed for like a month and 1/2
23:47:11 <ZachThibeau> daBomb69: not when I checked it :P
23:47:29 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, when did u check?
23:47:35 <ZachThibeau> last month
23:47:50 <ZachThibeau> exactly 1 month :P
23:48:05 <jnw222> lol
23:48:08 <jnw222> long time
23:48:15 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, today i changed one thing
23:48:21 <ZachThibeau> I know
23:48:24 <ZachThibeau> the md4 thing
23:48:29 <daBomb69> ya :P
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23:50:03 <jnw222> btw it is md5
23:50:07 <jnw222> not md4
23:50:15 <daBomb69> jnw222, yes, i know
23:50:24 <ZachThibeau> he knows and he changed it on his post smart ass :P
23:51:16 * daBomb69 just realized the PA version of gnumeric is 0.0.3 versions out of date for gnumeric, and is waayyy out of datye for launcher
23:51:34 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, do u know if we have to switch over to the new ini based launcher?
23:51:55 <ZachThibeau> I'm not
23:52:49 * daBomb69 hopes we don't have to, cause he hates it
23:53:45 * jnw222 doesn't have gnumeric
23:54:02 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, would you consider the windows Gnumeric's to be stable enough for PA use?
23:54:18 <daBomb69> even though technically the entire 1.9.* is development
23:54:30 <ZachThibeau> don't know I haven't tested from since the time I mentioned you should change the layout
23:54:39 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, did it work?
23:54:49 <ZachThibeau> don't remember
23:54:55 <daBomb69> crap...
23:55:00 <daBomb69> i decide to update now
23:55:13 <daBomb69> and the people in #gnumeric on gimpnet are saying
23:55:20 <daBomb69> there was mention of a 1.9.9/1.9.10 build recently
23:55:21 <daBomb69> :'(