IRC Log from 2009-07-12

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02:17:15 <Clorox> I like the PortableApps specification, but there are problems with it.
02:17:23 <daBomb69> rly?
02:17:26 <daBomb69> such as?
02:17:36 <Clorox> The app icons that show up in the menu
02:17:45 <daBomb69> whats wrong w/ them?
02:18:42 <Clorox> I believe that they should use a bunch of .lnk shortcuts in a defined folder, instead of using every .exe file found in subdirectories of the PortableApps folder
02:19:08 <daBomb69> Clorox, .lnk's don't update drive letter
02:19:25 <Clorox> hmm.
02:19:37 <Clorox> then, make a new kind of file type?
02:20:01 <Clorox> This way, Portable applications not made specifically for PortableApps can be used.
02:20:02 <daBomb69> except, not everyone uses the menu, so that would end badly for those that don't
02:20:20 <Clorox> how?
02:20:52 <daBomb69> well, new file type, and, if windows doesn't know how to run it... then they wouldn't be able to use the papp
02:21:27 <Clorox> Well, there would still be the .exe for them, I'm not saying to get rid of that
02:21:35 <Clorox> just add on to it
02:22:18 <daBomb69> and of couse, on that same note, PAM works basically as a windows start menu, just launches the app
02:22:31 <Clorox> PAM?
02:22:32 <daBomb69> it couldn't handle weird formats either...
02:22:38 <daBomb69> Portable Apps Menu
02:22:41 <Clorox> oh
02:22:50 <Clorox> well, of course.
02:23:19 <Clorox> For those who don't use the PAM, then the .exe would still be there, waiting for them.
02:23:29 <daBomb69> but, for those that do
02:23:39 <daBomb69> you'd still need to do something to windows
02:23:53 <daBomb69> to get it to understand do this to this format
02:23:59 <Clorox> For those who are using the PAM, then there would be a nice, more usable menu for them
02:24:15 <Clorox> You don't need Windows to recognize the format
02:24:22 <Clorox> just PortableApps.com
02:24:31 <daBomb69> PAM is just an app which launches something else
02:24:41 <Clorox> right
02:24:46 <Clorox> I am aware of this.
02:25:13 <Clorox> Windows does not need to be aware of file-type as long as the PAM is aware of it.
02:25:20 <daBomb69> so, it would say run this file, and windows would spit back something to the tune of "What's this?"
02:25:20 <Clorox> it can be an xml file.
02:25:25 <daBomb69> hmm...
02:25:43 <Clorox> The files themselves are not for the end-user
02:25:53 <daBomb69> now, how would they be made?
02:26:06 <Clorox> They are for the PAM only, so it can make its list of apps
02:26:08 <Clorox> umm
02:26:18 <daBomb69> cause
02:26:20 <daBomb69> what we do is,
02:26:33 <daBomb69> we make launchers in a scripting language called NSIS
02:26:38 <daBomb69> then, when their compiled,
02:26:41 <Clorox> Installers
02:26:49 <daBomb69> they become the exe we all know and love
02:27:21 <Clorox> Well, some applications don't use the NSIS .exe, but are still portable
02:27:28 <Clorox> Portable Ubuntu for Windows uses a .bat file to run, but there are four or five .exe files in its same directory.
02:27:48 <daBomb69> and, uhh, there's some issues with portable ubuntu
02:28:04 <Clorox> If we could make some sort of .xml file for use only with PAM, then there would be a nice menu item for Portable Ubuntu.
02:28:38 <daBomb69> hmm...
02:28:57 <Clorox> besides, the shortcuts would be easy to make, and .bat files could run from them
02:29:05 <daBomb69> true
02:29:43 <daBomb69> although, which would be eaisier, having it read exe's (Which most portable programs are),or doing the xml thing?
02:30:10 <Clorox> What is "it" in this sense
02:30:16 <Clorox> it reading exes
02:30:30 <daBomb69> PAM
02:31:03 <Clorox> xml, probably. Exes are executable binaries, which would take longer to load
02:31:25 <daBomb69> uhh... so, instead of directly loading the exe
02:31:26 <daBomb69> ,
02:31:36 <Bensawsome> also it still needs to load the icons
02:31:36 <Clorox> OR BAT FILE
02:31:37 <daBomb69> we'd load an xml which redirects to the exe?
02:31:46 <Bensawsome> so basically it would still be loading the exe files
02:31:47 <Clorox> pretty much
02:31:49 <Clorox> sort of
02:31:54 <Bensawsome> even if it does use a xml thing
02:31:55 <Bensawsome> also
02:32:06 <daBomb69> so, that would take longer
02:32:23 <Bensawsome> what a user has to do now to uninstall it is to delete the apps folder
02:32:31 <Bensawsome> if all the xml files are in one folder then it would still show up
02:32:38 <Clorox> good point.
02:32:42 <Bensawsome> and currently there is no uninstaller cause its so simple
02:32:45 <Clorox> see, it's just an idea.
02:32:48 <Bensawsome> but
02:33:03 <Bensawsome> we could put the each apps xml into that apps directoiry
02:33:09 <Bensawsome> that could work
02:33:20 <Clorox> portableappsloader.xml
02:33:25 <Clorox> seems good
02:33:35 <Bensawsome> but ya thats just my input
02:33:44 <Bensawsome> ima go upstairs and watch some tv so cya ;)
02:33:50 <Clorox> okay, bye
02:33:50 <daBomb69> lol, bye ben
02:33:58 <Clorox> thanks for the input
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02:36:10 <Clorox> So we've got now:
02:36:25 <Clorox> for the PAM users, an xml file loaded by PAM.
02:36:32 <rcmaehl> ?
02:36:39 <Clorox> for non-PAM users, the exe files is still there.
02:36:41 <Clorox> oh
02:36:44 <daBomb69> mhmm...
02:36:48 <Clorox> just an idea I have
02:36:59 <daBomb69> ya, it's a nice idea...
02:37:27 <Clorox> In short, I think the current way is great, but could be expanded
02:37:33 <daBomb69> ya
02:39:00 <Clorox> gotta go
02:39:09 <daBomb69> Bye, thanks for the imput
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02:39:14 <daBomb69> *input
02:39:24 <rcmaehl> Hey can I tell a joke in here please?
02:39:36 <Bensawsome> no
02:39:40 <rcmaehl> ok
02:39:46 <daBomb69> Bensawsome, i thought you left
02:39:46 <rcmaehl> what about -ot
02:39:56 <Bensawsome> im upstairs now daBomb69
02:40:02 <daBomb69> oh
02:40:03 <Bensawsome> never said i wasnt gonna get back on
02:40:07 <daBomb69> heh
02:40:10 <Bensawsome> lol
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02:40:18 <daBomb69> So, what did you think of the XML idea?
02:40:45 <Bensawsome> ask john
02:40:50 <Bensawsome> he is the one who makes it
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04:21:15 <ChrisMorgan> This Clorox guy has obviously missed a lot of what's been happening...
04:21:41 <ChrisMorgan> The menu will shortly be supporting a vastly better system than just that.
04:22:57 <ChrisMorgan> I'm confident it'll INI-based. There's no need for XML files, and INI reading is faster, and INI writing easier too.
04:23:52 <ChrisMorgan> Just setting up KVIrc 4.0 snapshot... its setup thing is interesting, page 2 is entitled "Dreaded License Agreement" =-o
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04:35:46 <dbdii407> Gne1!
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04:38:46 <ChrisMorgan> Please forgive me... my laptop hibernated and then I had one copy with Pidgin and two with KVIrc (still working out the ropes)
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04:43:22 <GizmoBot> ...
04:44:01 <ChrisMorgan> It crashed doing something in the theme settings...
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04:47:02 <ChrisMorgan> Changing settings is a good way to make it crash...
04:47:12 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well, I think I've tamed most of it.
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04:47:25 <ChrisMorgan> Hey dragonmage
04:47:42 <dragonmage> hey ChrisMorgan
04:47:55 <dragonmage> how goes it?
04:48:17 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, fine I think.
04:48:33 <ChrisMorgan> Getting KVIrc working seems to have made a nice mess in the logs ;-)
04:48:48 <dragonmage> oh yeah?
04:49:05 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look if you like :P
04:49:08 <ChrisMorgan> :D
04:49:24 <ChrisMorgan> The smileys it's got are interesting... very plain :(|)
04:49:28 <dragonmage> where are teh logs?
04:49:38 <ChrisMorgan> palogbot: uri
04:49:38 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-07-12#T04-49-38
04:51:37 <dragonmage> not too bad
04:54:02 <dragonmage> hmm...
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05:18:39 <dragonmage> Patrick!!!
05:22:13 <PatrickPatience> Yooo!
05:22:29 <PatrickPatience> Anyone watching SNL?
05:33:25 <dragonmage> nope
05:33:55 <dragonmage> I didn't know it was on now
05:38:37 <dragonmage> what tz you in PatrickPatience?
05:49:39 <PatrickPatience> EST.
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06:04:02 <dragonmage> what channel is SNL on at 1 in the morning?
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07:50:01 <ChrisMorgan> Does a mod want to censor http://portableapps.com/node/19937#comment-122775?
07:50:11 <ChrisMorgan> What a rude, nasty, vicious comment.
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10:59:10 <ChrisMorgan> Eep... telavir's broken their web hosting services, the PHP parser isn't running... any requests just download... :s
10:59:24 <ChrisMorgan> What a way to go...
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12:11:15 <ChrisMorgan> Oooh... if I'm writing a function, should I resist Americanism and use centre as its name rather than center...? ;-)
12:13:47 <ChrisMorgan> I could do it the way SPATIALinfo did it... in their case, use colour, but to cater for American developers, set up color as an alias...
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12:50:22 <ChrisMorgan> try:
12:50:22 <ChrisMorgan> answer_questions()
12:50:22 <ChrisMorgan> catch (MissedAQuestionException):
12:50:22 <ChrisMorgan> answer_questions_again()
12:50:22 <ChrisMorgan> finally:
12:50:22 <ChrisMorgan> panic()
12:51:10 <ChrisMorgan> -- http://portableapps.com/node/19188#comment-122784
12:52:58 <ChrisMorgan> OK, goodnight guys
12:53:10 <ChrisMorgan> That was a hard one...
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15:12:08 <pa_6383> does anyone know where i can get the previous version of the portable apps menu?
15:13:08 <jnw222> why, but sourceforge might
15:13:55 <jnw222> http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/#
15:14:16 <jnw222> scrool down to Portableapps.com Platform
15:15:29 <pa_6383> thanks jnw222
15:16:36 <jnw222> why do you need one
15:17:25 <pa_6383> i'm trying to test some of the skins i made
15:17:42 <pa_6383> so i wanted to know if they'd workon a previous version
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15:19:46 <jnw222> ok
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15:46:05 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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16:29:50 <rcmaehl> You guys should make like a simple OS for flash drives
16:30:36 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: you mentioned this before
16:30:40 <Gizmokid2005> that's not what we do...
16:30:55 <Gizmokid2005> there are plenty of options out there for "portable" operating systems.
16:32:03 <rcmaehl> ok
16:33:18 <jnw222> a small linux distro is what i use (debian gnu/linux stripped to the bare necessities)
16:33:41 <rcmaehl> I just noticed something
16:34:03 <rcmaehl> the Onscreen Keyboard app doesn't have a FN key
16:34:04 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: you can also use ubuntu, which actually has a portable install...
16:34:22 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: that's because /most/ computers don't have them...they are native to laptopts
16:34:24 <Gizmokid2005> *laptops
16:34:26 <Gizmokid2005> not desktops.
16:34:47 <rcmaehl> I would be nice to have an options menu with the option for laptop keyboards
16:34:56 <jnw222> speed is a problem, if you accidently use usb 1.1, it can take like 6 minutes to boot
16:35:44 <rcmaehl> Also I have an idea for the new PAP
16:36:02 <rcmaehl> add a thing to show which programs are running
16:36:15 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: post it in the forums
16:36:23 <rcmaehl> k
16:39:03 * rcmaehl pours a bucket of freezing cold water on Gizmokid2005
16:39:20 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: -ot for stuff like that.
16:46:25 <dbdii407> rcmaehl: You've been here long enough to know that off topic discussion (things not related to PortableApps.com) should be taken to #portableapps-ot
16:47:07 <rcmaehl> However I have seen some off-topic disscussions in here when support was not going on.
16:47:42 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: yes, but not in that manner. and if it happens, it's quickly taken to -ot. Just because others don't follow the rules doesnt' mean you need to follow wuit.
16:47:44 <Gizmokid2005> *suit
16:48:43 <rcmaehl> k
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18:03:48 <pa_3973> is there a expresso program or not because i have searched through the forums and i keep finding Cafe Mod with comments saying that they are going to make it expresso, but that was in 2008 so i am wondering if they came out with it yet
18:04:48 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3973: nothing official, if you can't find it by searching, it's probably not there.
18:05:11 <pa_3973> ok thanks for the confermation
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18:50:58 <Gizmokid2005> hello Whibo, connection issues? lol
18:51:09 <Whibo> yep lol
18:51:45 <Whibo> now all is fine :)
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19:48:03 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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20:35:29 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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22:06:09 <daBomb69> night MaienM|Sleep
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22:06:38 <daBomb69> night Chris? or Hi Chris?
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22:13:38 <ChrisMorgan> I stayed logged in last night when using my laptop as a CD player :D
22:13:44 <daBomb69> sweet! :P
22:13:58 <ChrisMorgan> Good morning :D
22:14:04 <daBomb69> good... morning?
22:14:24 <daBomb69> ChrisMorgan: what time are you in?
22:14:35 <ChrisMorgan> .t AEST
22:14:35 <GizmoBot> Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:20:42 AEST
22:14:44 <daBomb69> oh, Good morning :)
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22:19:43 <Gizmokid2005> hello ChrisMorgan
22:20:18 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ho Gizmokid2005 :-)
22:20:34 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: I'm using a KVIrc 4 snapshot :-)
22:20:43 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: good to hear :) liking it?
22:20:53 <ChrisMorgan> Can I get it to notify me on *all* messages, not just ones involving my nick?
22:21:08 <Gizmokid2005> in the notifier?
22:21:09 <ChrisMorgan> Once I'd cleaned up various settings, and especially the gucky background image, yes
22:21:11 <ChrisMorgan> ya
22:21:18 <Gizmokid2005> yes, and I know, the default background is horrid
22:21:18 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't found it, if it can be done.
22:21:30 <Gizmokid2005> go to Scripting, Event Editor
22:21:49 <Gizmokid2005> do you have anything under "OnChannelMessage" ?
22:22:37 <ChrisMorgan> Ahh, hadn't looked at scripting at all.
22:22:42 <Gizmokid2005> Yup
22:22:44 <Gizmokid2005> do you see it there?
22:22:49 <ChrisMorgan> No
22:22:53 <ChrisMorgan> No Event Editor.
22:22:55 <Gizmokid2005> if there's nothing there, right-click and select New Handler
22:23:00 <Gizmokid2005> (you may have to drag the bar over to see it
22:23:14 <Gizmokid2005> the even will be "OnChannelMessage"
22:24:01 <Gizmokid2005> after you create a new handler, just put in this code: notifier.message $0:" "$3;
22:24:19 <ChrisMorgan> The Scripting menu only has the following entries: /Edit (Actions|Aliases|(Raw )?Events|Popups)\.\.\.|Script Tester|Execute Script|Restore Default Script/
22:24:20 <Gizmokid2005> where anything after notifier.messsage you can customize, and the ; is the line end
22:24:26 <ChrisMorgan> No Script Editor.
22:24:30 <Gizmokid2005> edit actions
22:24:31 <ChrisMorgan> "Edit Popups"?
22:24:33 <ChrisMorgan> K
22:24:36 <Gizmokid2005> eChrisMorgan: rm
22:24:36 <Gizmokid2005> no
22:24:37 <Gizmokid2005> event
22:24:41 <Gizmokid2005> lol
22:24:43 <Gizmokid2005> events not actions
22:24:49 <Gizmokid2005> then you should see OnChannelMessage
22:25:06 <ChrisMorgan> OK, got it
22:25:19 <Gizmokid2005> then do as above and it will work :)
22:25:23 <Gizmokid2005> that was one of the first things I changed too :)
22:25:42 <ChrisMorgan> The other thing I don't like is the fact that you can't use Ctrl+Tab or Ctrl+Page (Up|Down) properly
22:26:02 <ChrisMorgan> It's got that horrible MDI concept which while potentially useful, hasn't had switching implemented properly.
22:26:10 <Gizmokid2005> nope, at this point it's ALT+left/right arrow
22:26:18 <ChrisMorgan> Ahhhh... thanks :-)
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22:26:25 <ChrisMorgan> Happy now :-)
22:26:27 <Gizmokid2005> right, remember, the snapshots have work left to be done on them, but it's going :)
22:26:32 <Gizmokid2005> yw
22:30:52 <ChrisMorgan> Where has that New Handler gone...
22:31:33 <Gizmokid2005> you hit apply at the bottom before OK right?
22:31:46 <Gizmokid2005> (I'm not sure if it's a requirement, but that's a failsafe I always use
22:31:49 <ChrisMorgan> I've never found the New Handler thing.
22:32:02 <ChrisMorgan> I've found that Apply in the preferences window makes it crash often...
22:32:11 <Gizmokid2005> it can happen
22:32:16 <Gizmokid2005> ok, lets go from the beginning to be safe
22:32:21 <Gizmokid2005> you are in the event editor correct?
22:32:38 <ChrisMorgan> Y
22:32:48 <Gizmokid2005> find "OnChannelMessage" ?
22:32:51 <ChrisMorgan> Click on OnChannelMessage.
22:32:53 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
22:33:05 <Gizmokid2005> right-click it, then hit "New Handler"
22:33:27 <ChrisMorgan> ahhh... on the OnChannelMessage bit, not the content. OK, got it now, thanks :-)
22:33:38 <Gizmokid2005> yep :)
22:33:52 <ChrisMorgan> Please say something :-)
22:33:53 <Gizmokid2005> it's a little hard to handle at first, but once you understand it's a breeze.
22:34:15 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks :-)
22:34:49 <ChrisMorgan> Other ones appear as I've set it up - bold, with <> around it. Any way of replicating that (not that it matters)?
22:35:10 <Gizmokid2005> I don't quite follow.
22:35:39 <ChrisMorgan> I set nicks to display bold, and the default theme puts <> around them.
22:35:51 <ChrisMorgan> The popup for my name mentioned also has that.
22:36:06 <Gizmokid2005> Hmm, you want that in the notifier?
22:36:17 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't really matter.
22:36:19 <Gizmokid2005> I am not sure of a way to do that, you can try #kvirc
22:36:26 <Gizmokid2005> I know of no immediate way to change that
22:36:32 <ChrisMorgan> Is there some way I can also make it *not* display it if I'm in the window?
22:36:50 <ChrisMorgan> Let me see... so I should be able to add an OnMeAway to deop me here?
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22:37:46 <Gizmokid2005> you can set the onmeaway to do that yes, as for the notifier, maybe, but I haven't attempted to figure it out. I'm sure it could be scripted though.
22:38:05 <ChrisMorgan> I'll see... first up, find documentation :-)
22:38:19 <Gizmokid2005> Help > Help Browser (Window)
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22:42:13 <Gizmokid2005> :(
22:42:17 <daBomb69> :'(
22:42:26 <ZachThibeau> O_o
22:42:42 <ZachThibeau> you killed him Gizmokid2005
22:42:45 <ZachThibeau> D:
22:42:47 <Gizmokid2005> I didn't
22:42:48 <ZachThibeau> lol jk
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22:42:57 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
22:43:08 <daBomb69> ChrisMorgan: your alive! :D
22:43:17 <Gizmokid2005> wb ChrisMorgan
22:43:30 <Gizmokid2005> if you find crashes, you can check with their IRC channel, and report them too :)
22:43:48 <ChrisMorgan> How did you guess it was find?
22:44:04 <Gizmokid2005> no no, if you FIND crashes...
22:44:04 <Gizmokid2005> lol
22:44:22 <ChrisMorgan> Well it was... pressed Ctrl+F in the help, that took me to this channel, pressed it again, that opened the find window, I pressed the X on it, KVIrc crashed.
22:44:31 <Gizmokid2005> odd
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22:50:13 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Good, going away now deops me on #bpbible, #portableapps and #portableapps-dev, and coming back...
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22:50:30 <ChrisMorgan> Didn't reop me..?
22:50:34 <daBomb69> ...
22:50:55 <ChrisMorgan> oh, I know, it'll be the wrong nick...
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22:52:43 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan|test: how are you setting it?
22:53:10 <ChrisMorgan|test> I was using msg ChanServ op #portableapps ChrisMorgan, but it'll be ChrisMorgan|Away at the time...
22:53:26 <ChrisMorgan|test> So I'm just working out the !@ statement I need to use
22:53:38 <Gizmokid2005> you should be able to use $my.nick I think.
22:53:46 <ChrisMorgan|test> ... whoops :P
22:53:53 <Gizmokid2005> yup
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22:54:54 <ChrisMorgan|test> :S
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22:55:28 <ChrisMorgan|Away> It's stopped fixing my opship...
22:55:32 <ChrisMorgan|Away> And my nick
22:55:39 <Gizmokid2005> how are you going away?
22:55:44 <ChrisMorgan|Away> //away
22:55:57 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Should I do it a different way?
22:55:59 <Gizmokid2005> btw - you can set Kvirc to automatically change your nick when you go away in the settings.
22:56:03 <ChrisMorgan|Away> I have
22:56:07 <Gizmokid2005> and then just do the op/deop in the scripting
22:56:12 <Gizmokid2005> do it like so
22:56:14 <ChrisMorgan|Away> I have...
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22:56:24 <Gizmokid2005> in the OnMeAway just to deop $my.nick
22:56:28 <daBomb69> Hello pa_8102
22:56:31 <pa_8102> hi
22:56:38 <daBomb69> How can we help you?
22:56:40 <pa_8102> i have got a question
22:56:43 <Gizmokid2005> on the OnMeBack just do cs op #portableapps $my.nick
22:56:48 <daBomb69> pa_8102: ok
22:57:10 <pa_8102> do portable apps support vista 64bit os?
22:57:30 <ChrisMorgan|Away> pa_8102: yes
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22:57:44 <pa_8102> i hava changed my system and now i cannot start the applications any more
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22:57:52 <Gizmokid2005> do you get an error pa_8102?
22:57:56 <pa_8102> no
22:58:14 <pa_8102> vista simply says that the version is for 32bit OS
22:58:30 <ChrisMorgan|Away> !?
22:58:45 <ChrisMorgan|Away> There's nothing to stop them from running on x86-64.
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22:59:10 <pa_8102> ok
22:59:16 <ChrisMorgan> I have never had Vista 64 refuse to run a 32-bit app.
22:59:19 <pa_8102> but it doesnt work for me
22:59:35 <pa_8102> perhaps i have an older version of the suite
22:59:43 <ChrisMorgan> My Dad, with his WaterSums software, has had some troubles with DLLs etc. but never anything refusing to run.
23:00:01 <ChrisMorgan> (He uses Vista Ultimate 64-bit, I've got Vista Business 32-bit)
23:00:06 <ChrisMorgan> What version have you got?
23:00:09 <ChrisMorgan> 1.5.2 is the latest.
23:00:27 <pa_8102> i will try to export my thunderbird data and reimport in a new verionb
23:00:36 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8102: it might be your profile
23:00:38 <ChrisMorgan> There's no need to do that.
23:00:44 <Gizmokid2005> try running tbp without your data
23:00:50 <pa_8102> i cant tell pu, they dont start
23:00:57 <ChrisMorgan> Feel free to make a copy of it, for backup, then update to the latest version.
23:01:02 <pa_8102> cant tell which version
23:01:12 <ChrisMorgan> Well when did you update last?
23:01:23 <ChrisMorgan> Is it just Thunderbird, or are you using the whole suite?
23:01:30 <pa_8102> thunderbird i updated a week ago
23:01:42 <pa_8102> no the suite wont start
23:01:48 <ChrisMorgan> With itself, or with the latest version from PortableApps.com
23:01:49 <ChrisMorgan> ?
23:02:09 <pa_8102> i dint try starting tb
23:02:16 <ChrisMorgan> Ahh.
23:02:26 <ChrisMorgan> Have you updated the PortableApps.com Platform recently?
23:02:30 <pa_8102> now i make a backup
23:02:32 <pa_8102> no
23:02:37 <pa_8102> not since installed
23:02:44 <ChrisMorgan> If not, download the latest version from http://PortableApps.com/suite and try it.
23:02:57 <pa_8102> ok, ill try :)
23:03:30 <ChrisMorgan> You probably just want the platform (to start with at least).
23:03:41 <ChrisMorgan> Or you could do one of the suites and update more apps at once.
23:03:52 <pa_8102> but first i hace to start in a 32bit os, or is there another way of updating it?
23:04:06 <ChrisMorgan> Try downloading them and running them.
23:04:12 <pa_8102> ok
23:04:15 <pa_8102> one moment
23:04:25 <ChrisMorgan> I've never seen any trouble with a 64-bit OS, have you changed something in it?
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23:07:40 <ChrisMorgan> Greetings _newbie_, trying out KVIrc are you?
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23:07:58 <pa_8102> ok, new version works fine
23:08:08 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
23:08:12 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8102: you might've had some corrupted files
23:08:20 <pa_8102> now i will try to find a solution for the data transfer
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23:08:42 <pa_8102> possible
23:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> Data transfer?
23:09:35 <pa_8102> i dint mind about updating the plattform since there is no message reminding me
23:09:47 <pa_8102> the transfer of the tb data
23:09:52 <ChrisMorgan> K.
23:10:01 <pa_8102> thanks for your help :)
23:10:12 <ChrisMorgan> Just use the PortableApps.com Backup tool, or copy ThunderbirdPortable\Data to get just Thunderbird data.
23:11:06 <ChrisMorgan> pa_8102: you might find the PortableApps.com Updater useful; it's currently in Beta, but pretty good. http://portableapps.com/node/16779
23:11:48 <pa_8102> ok, now i just have to wait till my mails are copied from the stick (2GB)
23:14:20 <pa_8102> now i use portable apps since the beginning and i dont know all the features yet
23:15:09 <pa_8102> cool
23:15:35 <pa_8102> tb seems to work
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23:17:05 <pa_8102> can i update the suite w/o running it?
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23:18:10 <pa_8102> OK, i´ve fixed it, thanks for help
23:18:32 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
23:19:07 <pa_8102> how can i update the platform?
23:19:38 <pa_8102> i think there was a problem wich data loss during copiing
23:20:55 <ChrisMorgan> Download it from http://portableapps.com/download, and install it over the top of an existing copy.
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23:25:07 <pa_8102> works fine
23:25:10 <pa_8102> bye
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23:27:01 <Bensawsome> no thank you? lol
23:27:11 <daBomb69> Ohai ben
23:40:25 <ZachThibeau> seems someone is interested in submitting a patch for the platform :P http://portableapps.com/node/19911
23:40:39 <daBomb69> whats wrong w/ it?
23:40:43 <daBomb69> that it needs a patch?
23:41:00 <ZachThibeau> read the post and you'll see what it's for
23:41:06 <ZachThibeau> don't be lazy ;)
23:41:14 <daBomb69> oh
23:43:40 <Gizmokid2005> well crap, got setback just a bit on my SBP.
23:43:49 <Gizmokid2005> good thing I read everything in the previous SBP post in the forums
23:44:04 <Gizmokid2005> or I would've wound up with the same bugs that ryan fixed.
23:44:18 <ChrisMorgan> ... which would be embarrassing :P
23:44:22 <Gizmokid2005> slightly
23:44:28 <Gizmokid2005> and I was creating the topic already...
23:44:32 <Gizmokid2005> that's waht the irony is
23:44:41 <Gizmokid2005> I ALMOST hit preview when I decided to double-check.