IRC Log from 2009-08-03

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01:05:20 <Chazz> .t cst
01:05:21 <GizmoBot> Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:15:03 CST
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01:55:22 <gluxon> daBomb69: pm?
01:55:41 <daBomb69> sure
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02:03:55 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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04:15:23 <Chazz> hey PatrickPatience
04:17:07 <PatrickPatience> Hi... Chazz?
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04:17:16 <SergentSiler> lol
04:17:23 <SergentSiler> OHAI PATRICK
04:17:32 <Chazz> lolo
04:17:39 <Chazz> AKA daBomb69
04:18:02 <SergentSiler> i still think he doesnt know u >.>
04:18:19 <Chazz> lol, probally not
04:18:50 <Chazz> well, quick introduction, i'm the awesome guy who makes everyone but SergentSiler's like awesome.
04:18:57 <SergentSiler> lol
04:19:04 <SergentSiler> u forget ben :
04:19:06 <SergentSiler> :P*
04:19:22 <Chazz> oh ya, i strive to make ben endure tourcher and pain LO
04:19:24 <Chazz> *:P
04:20:03 <SergentSiler> just watched my fav episode of Deathklok >_>
04:20:07 <SergentSiler> it was awsome <_<
04:20:12 <SergentSiler> lol
04:20:15 <Chazz> lol
04:20:25 <SergentSiler> and yes i call it deathklok and not metalocolypse
04:20:27 <SergentSiler> >_>
04:20:31 <SergentSiler> idk wy
04:20:34 <SergentSiler> why*
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04:21:04 <SrgSiler|Sleep> obai
04:21:25 <Chazz> obaithar SrgSiler|Sleep
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04:41:13 <Whibo> ghghghp
04:41:19 <Whibo> tbtbumkbgdfh
04:41:37 <Chazz> Whibo, ?
04:41:49 * Whibo is insane
04:42:41 <Chazz> Whibo, perhaps you continue in #portableapps-spam
04:43:13 <Whibo> good
04:44:25 <Chazz> wow... #portableapps-spam is a registered channel...
04:46:05 <Whibo> cool
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05:26:12 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a member of the GE Team (#GamingExposed | GamingExposed.Com) and a french translator of PortableApps.com
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05:51:26 <Chazz> Hello Guest27473
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06:37:58 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
06:38:28 <ChrisMorgan> Ahh, aren't poll threads fun... John opened a can of worms there...
06:39:33 <ChrisMorgan> I wonder whether I should put a comment on there just saying to jamcomm in particular to stop posting as their comments are pointless... we know what's the best way of doing it for what we want to do...
06:39:53 <ChrisMorgan> If I were John I think I would have lacked enough patience to not ban jamcomm...
06:41:21 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, jamcomm was banned?
06:41:36 <ChrisMorgan> Unfortunately I don't believe so
06:41:38 <ChrisMorgan> yet
06:42:09 <Chazz> well, he's quite good at taking my erm subtle hint to use the server we alreadty have
06:42:24 <ChrisMorgan> ?
06:43:07 <Chazz> he was in the request forums asking if we could portableize a web server ( i think), amazingly he seemed quite grateful for pointing him to XAMPP
06:43:25 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, saw that... and was surprised.
06:44:19 <Chazz> of course, i'm waiting for the tourcer of the XAMPP help place when he breaks it
06:44:37 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm...
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07:35:59 <GizmoBot> HypnoToad is currenALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
07:36:25 <ChrisMorgan> Ho!
07:38:10 <HypnoToad> ohai
07:41:19 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, your here too!
07:41:22 <Chazz> :D
07:41:33 <ChrisMorgan> Why wouldn't I be?
07:41:44 <Chazz> cause it must be almost might where u are?
07:41:53 <ChrisMorgan> :/
07:41:55 <ChrisMorgan> .t AEST
07:41:55 <GizmoBot> Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:51:41 AEST
07:41:56 <HypnoToad> .t aest
07:41:56 <GizmoBot> Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:51:42 AEST
07:42:02 <HypnoToad> arrgh, he beat me to it
07:42:05 * ChrisMorgan beat HypnoToad!
07:42:12 <Chazz> oh
07:42:22 <ChrisMorgan> "oh" indeed :P
07:42:24 * HypnoToad hypnotises ChrisMorgan into thinking that he lost
07:43:08 <ChrisMorgan> BTW, whence cometh the "Chazz"? Forsooth, I am caught wondering unto which quarter the "daBomb69" hath gone.
07:43:45 <Chazz> uhh... thine hath gone upon a quest :P
07:44:09 <Chazz> actually, chazz is my name, and i think it looks a bit cooler than daBomb69 :P
07:44:20 <ChrisMorgan> You mean "Yon daBomb69 entity hath gone upon a quest"!
07:44:37 <Chazz> aye sire
07:44:44 <ChrisMorgan> Interesting... I hadn't pictured you as a Chazz, I'd pictured you as a...
07:44:47 <ChrisMorgan> a...
07:44:50 <ChrisMorgan> daBomb69.\
07:44:52 <Chazz> lol
07:45:28 <Chazz> well, theres alwaysd worse things than dabomb69
07:45:49 <ChrisMorgan> I like people to use their real names.
07:46:09 <Chazz> yes, i agree
07:46:26 <ChrisMorgan> Then why...?
07:47:16 <Chazz> hmm?
07:47:31 <ChrisMorgan> Then why did you formerly use daBomb69?
07:47:41 <Chazz> cause i was of different mind then
07:49:11 <Chazz> now i like names
08:00:37 <HypnoToad> like why I used to use taneth111 and TaffinFoxcroft
08:01:10 <ChrisMorgan> I still don't understand why you went to HypnoToad rather than staying with TaffinFoxcroft...
08:01:41 <HypnoToad> HypnoToad's coolness level > TaffinFoxcroft's coolness level
08:01:52 <Chazz> lol
08:02:01 <ChrisMorgan> Why would you care about that though?
08:02:56 <Chazz> cuae he/she's just weird like that?
08:03:24 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: I'll let you indignantly answer that one :P
08:03:32 <HypnoToad> also because it provides some level of mild security between me and the web
08:03:38 <Chazz> eh?
08:03:43 <HypnoToad> plus I'm a guy so it sounds cooler :P
08:03:53 <Chazz> YOUR A GUY!?!
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08:03:54 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Yum :D
08:04:00 <Chazz> ...
08:04:05 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Chazz: you didn't know!?
08:04:11 <Chazz> no...
08:05:14 <HypnoToad> phail
08:05:23 <HypnoToad> wait a sec...
08:06:18 <Chazz> my world has been crushed...
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08:11:33 <HypnoToad> bahahaha
08:11:54 <HypnoToad> palogbot can't see lines that start with ♪
08:12:01 <Chazz> ...
08:12:13 <HypnoToad> http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2009-08-03#T08-05-23
08:13:00 <Chazz> heh
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09:19:50 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
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10:26:52 <GizmoBot> HypnoToad is currenALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
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10:29:16 <pa_8981> hi
10:29:24 <HypnoToad> Hello pa_8981
10:29:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hi pa_8981, can we help you with anything?
10:29:46 <pa_8981> yes i think you can
10:29:46 <pa_8981> :D
10:30:14 <pa_8981> i wonder if it is possible to put my own programs into the portableApps.com platform
10:30:30 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
10:30:44 <pa_8981> then can you help me how?
10:30:51 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
10:31:01 <pa_8981> thanks!!!
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10:31:31 <HypnoToad> yay, easy support
10:33:40 <ChrisMorgan> FUTURE REFERENCE: (I've been meaning to do this for a while...)
10:33:42 <ChrisMorgan> .def addingapps
10:33:42 <GizmoBot> addingapps is about adding applications to the PortableApps.com Menu; read http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps for details.
10:35:14 <ChrisMorgan> .def support
10:35:15 <GizmoBot> support is also available at http://portableapps.com/support
10:35:18 <ChrisMorgan> .def papsupport
10:35:18 <GizmoBot> papsupport is support for the PortableApps.com Platform and Suite, at http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite
10:35:20 <ChrisMorgan> .def passuport
10:35:21 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: Sorry, but I don't know about passuport
10:35:26 <ChrisMorgan> .def passupport
10:35:26 <GizmoBot> passupport is support for the PortableApps.com Platform and Suite, at http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite
10:35:40 <ChrisMorgan> That'll be enough to be getting on with
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10:44:19 <HypnoToad> netsplit?
10:44:55 <ChrisMorgan> Second in half an hour... sendak ain't doin' tooo warl.
10:45:54 * HypnoToad is thinking a DDoS
10:46:14 <HypnoToad> bbl
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12:28:34 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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14:13:36 <pa_8802> Can a portable app be installed on a pc?
14:14:51 <Bensawsome> pa_8802 you mean like onto the C:\
14:14:54 <Bensawsome> drive
14:14:56 <Bensawsome> lol
14:15:13 <Bensawsome> if that is what you mean then yes it can :)
14:15:41 <pa_8802> Yes. I have a friend with dial-up. Needs antivirus. I would like to install from flash drive.
14:16:00 <Bensawsome> oh
14:16:11 <Bensawsome> clamwin doesnt provide the continuous scanning
14:16:20 <Bensawsome> it will only scan when you tell it too
14:17:27 <Bensawsome> ie if you download something that is a virus and execute it clamwin portable wont detect it until you tell clamwin to scan it
14:18:37 <pa_8802> wouldn't that be okay. I work with someone who only has clamwin on pc. Do you have any other suggestions for a free download I could install from a flash drive or cd?
14:19:03 <Bensawsome> avast
14:19:09 <Bensawsome> also
14:19:17 <Bensawsome> yoiu can isntall anything from any storage device....
14:19:22 <Bensawsome> it doesnt have to be portable
14:20:04 <pa_8802> so, I can download to the flash drive instead of on my pc and then transfer the download to another pc?
14:20:11 <Bensawsome> ya
14:20:15 <Bensawsome> thats true for any installer
14:20:24 <Bensawsome> it can be run from any storage device
14:20:31 <pa_8802> thanks, I will give it a try
14:20:44 <Bensawsome> k :)
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15:10:22 <Whibo> test
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15:15:50 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a member of the GE Team (#GamingExposed | GamingExposed.Com) and a french translator of PortableApps.com
15:15:50 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a member of the GE Team (#GamingExposed | GamingExposed.Com) and a french translator of PortableApps.com
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15:54:34 <ZachThibeau> howdy qwertymodo
15:54:41 <qwertymodo> hey
15:54:45 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
15:55:18 <qwertymodo> i finished adding my band's song into a custom guitar hero 3 disc :D
15:55:26 <ZachThibeau> nice
15:55:33 <qwertymodo> well, I finished expert anyway
15:55:39 <ZachThibeau> lol
15:56:07 <ZachThibeau> I've been playing around with my vps thanks to dbdii407 I got my irc server running properly on it
15:56:21 <qwertymodo> expert is actually the easiest to make... you just do all the notes :P
15:56:43 <qwertymodo> whereas the easier the difficulty, the more... creative you have to get
15:57:09 <ZachThibeau> lol very true
15:58:30 <qwertymodo> next up I'm going to try to get Monster 2 up to pre-release, I think all I need is a help file first :)
15:58:51 <ZachThibeau> lol
15:59:02 <qwertymodo> then I'm gonna try to get WinAMP working just for myself at least
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16:03:12 <Gizmokid2005> The weather needs to get bad again...so people are actually here...lol
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16:54:32 <pa_7953> found free portable firewall at http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/order.html
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16:57:05 <Whibo|AFK> order=not free
16:57:14 <Chazz> hey Gizmokid2005, can KVIrc do logging like xchat can?
16:58:20 <m-p{3}> I'm pretty sure the firewall requires administrator rights to run on the system.
16:58:46 <ZachThibeau> pretty much every firewall needs administrative rights
16:59:22 <Whibo|AFK> :p
17:00:18 <m-p{3}> That's what I thought
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17:00:38 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: yes
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17:00:45 <Chazz> ok, thanks
17:00:54 <Whibo|AFK> have i just quitted?
17:01:20 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: Prefs > IRC > Tools > Logging
17:01:34 <Chazz> thanks :)
17:02:06 <Whibo|AFK> can someone tell me if i quit in 3
17:02:07 <Whibo|AFK> 2
17:02:09 <Whibo|AFK> 1
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17:02:21 <Whibo|AFK> have i quitted?
17:02:49 <Whibo|AFK> test test test
17:02:57 <Whibo|AFK> testing zone
17:03:05 <Whibo|AFK> znc ftw!
17:03:08 <Gizmokid2005> Whibo|AFK: you quit and part
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17:03:13 <Gizmokid2005> erm
17:03:14 <Gizmokid2005> part/join
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17:03:24 <Whibo|AFK> fuck
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17:04:20 <Chazz> Whibo|AFK, language
17:04:26 <Whibo|AFK> sorry
17:04:32 <Whibo|AFK> :(
17:05:09 <Whibo|AFK> if i quit and part, why GizmoBot don't say my def?
17:05:20 <Whibo|AFK> cause i stay online?
17:05:25 <Gizmokid2005> Whibo|AFK: you are AFK
17:05:27 <Gizmokid2005> wrong nick...
17:05:31 <Gizmokid2005> .def Whibo|AFK
17:05:31 <Whibo|AFK> oh
17:05:31 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005: Sorry, but I don't know about Whibo|AFK
17:05:34 <Whibo|AFK> haha
17:05:34 <Gizmokid2005> .def Whibo
17:05:35 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a member of the GE Team (#GamingExposed | GamingExposed.Com) and a french translator of PortableApps.com
17:05:36 <Gizmokid2005> see
17:05:41 * Gizmokid2005 goes back to TDU
17:05:43 <SergentSiler> lololololol
17:06:02 <m-p{3}> Yay traducteur français :D
17:06:05 <m-p{3}> sorry :P
17:06:19 <Whibo|AFK> lol
17:06:40 <Whibo|AFK> salut
17:06:42 <Whibo|AFK> :p
17:06:44 <Chazz> m-p{3}, si? :P
17:06:52 <SergentSiler> SALUTE (O_O)7
17:07:35 <Whibo|AFK> si?
17:07:38 <Whibo|AFK> wth
17:07:55 <Chazz> erm, wrong language
17:08:01 <Chazz> oui?
17:08:01 <Whibo|AFK> si is spanish
17:08:02 <dragonmage> hello
17:08:07 <Whibo|AFK> sorry agaim
17:08:10 <Chazz> hola dragonmage
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17:10:39 <Whibo|AFK> Hi Oni-Neoxes
17:11:10 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello Whibo|AFK
17:11:29 <Whibo|AFK> we have moved to freenode Oni-Neoxes
17:11:38 <Whibo|AFK> #GamingExposed
17:11:39 <Oni-Neoxes> seroiusly?
17:11:41 <Oni-Neoxes> Nice
17:11:43 <Whibo|AFK> yep
17:11:47 <Oni-Neoxes> seriously*
17:12:41 <Chazz> Whibo|AFK, is GamingExposed and OSS project?
17:13:04 <Whibo|AFK> what is oss project?
17:13:05 <Oni-Neoxes> Chazz, let them do what they want
17:13:12 <Oni-Neoxes> Open Source
17:13:16 <Whibo|AFK> oh
17:13:17 <Whibo|AFK> no
17:13:20 <Whibo|AFK> hmm
17:13:31 <Whibo|AFK> yes at somee parts
17:13:42 <Chazz> Oni-Neoxes, they might not want to use FN, cause when the GMS gets functional, ever non-FN approved channel
17:13:47 <Chazz> 's going down
17:14:00 <SergentSiler> gms?
17:14:04 <Whibo|AFK> we have couple of source codes avalaible
17:14:16 <Chazz> SergentSiler, Group Management System
17:14:21 <SergentSiler> oh
17:14:30 <Whibo|AFK> what is OSS
17:14:34 <Chazz> it's the newest of freenode
17:14:37 <Chazz> 's fails
17:14:41 <Whibo|AFK> ok
17:14:44 <Chazz> Whibo|AFK, open source software
17:14:48 <SergentSiler> Chazz, its bound to move in with ircd7
17:15:20 <Chazz> but, SergentSiler, 1) not done being made yet, but prbly and 2) it's awsome cause it's written in Perl!
17:15:32 <SergentSiler> lol
17:15:49 <Oni-Neoxes> >_>
17:16:02 <Oni-Neoxes> I don't this is the channel to be tlaking on anyway.
17:16:07 <Oni-Neoxes> Let's scoot to -ot shall we?
17:16:12 <Chazz> good idea
17:16:20 <SergentSiler> i accedentally this conversation in -ot
17:16:26 <Whibo|AFK> lol
17:16:33 <Chazz> lol
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17:26:14 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello troll, How can we help you today.
17:26:32 <Chazz> hello troll
17:26:44 <troll> oh hello, just stumbled in.
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17:41:38 <PatrickPatience> http://patrickpatience.com/temp/topDownloads.htm
17:42:14 <PatrickPatience> Congragulations to the long and running winner, wraithdu.
17:42:34 <Gizmokid2005> very nice PatrickPatience, love the formatting :)
17:42:46 <Chazz> nice
17:44:00 <Gizmokid2005> on that note, SBP is up to 714 downloads so far
17:44:18 <Gizmokid2005> and if I can find someone who can help with my launcher it'll be done...
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17:48:34 <pa_3719> question: i jsut want to add an exe to my poretable app menu?
17:49:03 <pa_3719> but i can tseem to find the "startmenu" folder per se
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17:49:58 <Gizmokid2005> or he can not wait...
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18:00:19 <Chazz> /me wonders if he even reas the topic
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19:23:28 <Chazz> ...
19:24:07 <Whibo|AFK> sekrit sekrit
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19:40:17 <JohnTHaller> afternoon all
19:40:39 <Chazz> Hi JohnTHaller
19:41:11 <JohnTHaller> What's up in here today?
19:41:20 <Chazz> not much
19:48:48 <Chazz> hey JohnTHaller, i was thinking and, Gnumeric Portable doesn't have any bugs, and has no other issues, could we possibly get it into PR?
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19:52:40 <JohnTHaller> Think we may need to switch it to the 1.8.x branch first. Or wait for 2.0 (1.9.x is a dev branch, and we don't do dev releases as official)
19:54:20 <Chazz> ah, ok :(
19:54:53 <qwertymodo> hello JohnTHaller
19:55:10 <Chazz> sadly, gnumeric doesn't have a 1.8 for windows :(
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19:59:39 <JohnTHaller> really? nobody built it?
19:59:45 <JohnTHaller> any idea what the 2.0 timeframe is?
20:00:29 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
20:01:09 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, not sure, asking about 2.0 on their IRC channel now, and nope, no 1.8 for windows
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20:03:47 <qwertymodo> What needs to happen for a Dev Test to go to PR? I have the original app's dev say it's good to go, but I know I need a help file for PAF spec...
20:04:11 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: what dev?
20:04:23 <qwertymodo> for Monster 2
20:04:48 <qwertymodo> I mean Monster 2's dev, not like I took over a project
20:04:49 <ZachThibeau> ahh let me look at it, I have some time today since it's a holiday here
20:05:25 <ZachThibeau> been meaning to test monster 2
20:05:56 <qwertymodo> I had to put an NSIS page in there to replace the app's original main exe
20:06:25 <qwertymodo> cus the app has 3 different exes for which display driver you use and the main one was just a selection launcher
20:07:09 <qwertymodo> so I had to bypass it completely or I couldn't tell when the app closed since that main exe closed as soon as you chose the driver
20:07:29 <qwertymodo> other than that there was just config/save files in AppData
20:07:32 <ZachThibeau> ohh btw qwertymodo I think I got some stuff being worked out on that vba-m frontend, still coding the rest of the parameters but hopefully the end of this week will produce some results for you to try
20:07:41 <qwertymodo> :D
20:08:13 <ZachThibeau> tis my first c++ project for portableapps.com :P
20:08:24 <ZachThibeau> and written in the same c++ toolkit as toucan :P
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20:08:53 <qwertymodo> c++ for the GUI? or for what?
20:09:26 <ZachThibeau> well WxWidgets is a toolkit library for c++ but allows for cross platform development :)
20:10:08 <qwertymodo> ok, i just remember awhile back you talking about making a c++ launcher for zsnes just to be different so it made me wonder... ;)
20:10:40 <ZachThibeau> lol well the c++ launcher is just an idea the main launcher for zsnes will still be nsis :P
20:11:55 <qwertymodo> yeah i figured...
20:12:27 <JohnTHaller> Chazz: Let me know if 2.0 is coming soon. Otherwise we may do 1.9.x with a disclaimer on the page.
20:12:27 <ZachThibeau> but if I can get the c++ launcher figured out I wouldn't mind sending it for a round of testing though
20:13:02 <JohnTHaller> Going from dev test to PR and PR to final is really a matter of getting enough testing done. I'm gonna reform the dev test team probably next week, so hopefully we can start pushing apps through.
20:13:26 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, currantly, there's not even a mention of 2.0 on the gnumeric website, still waiting for responce from irc though.
20:14:24 <qwertymodo> ok, thanks JohnTHaller I looked through the forums and there wasn't much in the way of a definite answer other than post on the PR thread when you think you're ready
20:14:36 <qwertymodo> at least not that I found
20:14:56 <Chazz> got responce on IRC, no 1.8 version for windows is confirmed, and no one knows when 2.0 will come around
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20:15:49 <Chazz> scratch that, might be in around 1/2 a year from now, and will probally be called 1.10
20:16:20 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... maybe we should get a 1.9 build up. monthly releases aren't so bad. and it may get more people testing it
20:16:51 <Chazz> ya, thats a nice idea.
20:18:02 <Chazz> and, i've yet to have a crash with gnumeric, and i've tried it on about 5 different versions of windows and about 4 different comps
20:19:01 <JohnTHaller> not so much crashes I'd worry about. It's data integrity. What if a small bug messes up a value on an important spreadsheet? That's WAY worse.
20:19:55 <Chazz> ya, good point. I haven't had any of those either though. And i've tried with every format it can use
20:21:07 <ZachThibeau> ok qwertymodo prelim stuff, get your help.html page done first of all :P
20:21:19 <ZachThibeau> well not so important but still good to get done
20:21:41 <qwertymodo> yeah i'm working on that, I knew I needed it
20:22:15 <qwertymodo> I'm just looking through the ones on other apps to see what kind of information to include
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20:22:47 <JohnTHaller> help.html is the easiest part :-P Just copy another one that links to the basic install instructions and update the title and description and URL. that's it
20:22:56 <qwertymodo> Ok
20:23:47 <ZachThibeau> other than that it looks clean data is saved in the appropriate location :)
20:23:56 <ZachThibeau> I think this is good for a pre-release
20:24:08 <qwertymodo> :D
20:24:19 <ZachThibeau> be nice if other release team members test it though :P
20:24:49 <qwertymodo> so does that mean that once I get it repackaged with the help file I can call it PR1?
20:25:23 <ZachThibeau> brb
20:25:26 <qwertymodo> ok
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20:33:08 <Chazz> so, JohnTHaller what do you think? We gonna do it? :)
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20:37:26 <GizmoBot> ...
20:41:12 <qwertymodo> When I'm doing the help file for a hopefully-soon-to-be PR app, for the "portable homepage" do I link to the forum thread where it is now? I see a lot of dev tests and prs have links to pages like PA.c/appname even tho that page doesn't exist yet because the app hasn't been released... where should I link?
20:44:07 <ZachThibeau> back and what I do is use PortableApps.com/appname
20:44:29 <ZachThibeau> no one really ever said anything about that or even set guidelines for that yet
20:44:42 <qwertymodo> ok, i'll do that then
20:46:31 <ZachThibeau> shoot I can't remember the link to the release team page xD *sigh* time to go to my old email account and see if I can pull a link from the archieves
20:47:19 <qwertymodo> is this it? http://portableapps.com/development/test
20:47:56 <ZachThibeau> no thats the test release page
20:48:02 <ZachThibeau> the release team has their own page
20:48:07 <qwertymodo> oh ok
20:49:08 <ZachThibeau> I used to have it bookmarked but since then I got a new pc and my laptop now runs Windows 7 rc
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20:50:03 * qwertymodo wonders why the portableapps.com installer doesn't update the drive letter of the most recently created installer...
20:50:25 <Whibo|AFK> good
20:53:43 <ZachThibeau> ahh got it :) thank goodness I still keep logs in my old email account, speaking of which I still need to update some accounts with my new one, (old one getting too much spam)
20:55:34 <ZachThibeau> I'll do some testing and post my results on the release team page hopefully get some more apps into release stage than what I have done in the past
20:56:43 <qwertymodo> so can I call it PR1?
21:01:25 <ZachThibeau> as soon as John makes a splash for you
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21:02:26 <pa_8032> Hello
21:03:19 <pa_8032> I tried to run portable apps from a slax and I kept getting cannot execute bin file or some sort of similar message, is portable apps not compatible with linux?
21:03:41 <pa_8032> It is a very small distro of slax very very very minimum
21:04:45 <qwertymodo> JohnTHaller can you make me a splash screen if I send you an image?
21:04:48 <Chazz> pa_8032, is WINE installed?
21:04:55 <pa_8032> no
21:05:01 <Chazz> you need WINE
21:05:08 <pa_8032> ok thanks
21:05:39 <pa_8032> I installed the slax on the same usb the portable apps is on so I can use it in live mode or not depending on the pc
21:05:42 <pa_8032> :)
21:05:47 <Chazz> ah
21:05:51 <Chazz> nice :)
21:06:23 <ZachThibeau> yeah any windows apps you want to run in any linux distro you need to have wine installed which is a compatibility layer to make linux able to run windows apps :)
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21:07:25 <pa_8032> oh. another question. I am also using truecrypt and made a file volume... I want to move apps like the password app to that volume, If I change the file in the source to point to that volume and file will it work?
21:07:39 <pa_8032> the .ini in the source folder
21:08:18 <pa_8032> I know from linux to windows the linker might not work since it would be something like x: and /hd#/ but I would know when to use what
21:08:51 <ZachThibeau> I don't know how to answer that question since I'm not a truecrypt user :/
21:09:11 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller or anybody here mind answering this?
21:10:27 <pa_8032> well essentially it would be like having portableapps install in directory I: and having the applications being in directory X:
21:10:49 <pa_8032> I mean volume sorry
21:10:52 <ZachThibeau> ahh I think I see what you are getting at
21:11:47 <Chazz> pa_8032, i think you can just cut/copy the stuff from I: to X:
21:11:55 <ZachThibeau> well the platform really isn't configured to operate in such a fashion I mean you can launch apps within a truecrypt volume but not have the menu outside the volume and the apps in the volume, it's just how the platform is programmed
21:12:50 <Chazz> oh, i thought he meant run everything from TC, sorry pa_8032
21:13:01 <pa_8032> Ok, so its worth a try, I managed to add truecrypt to the portableapps just by coping the sorce ini file from another program
21:13:25 <pa_8032> and the program was in another directory then from the source's directory
21:13:35 <pa_8032> or was it? I dont' remember clearly
21:14:01 <ZachThibeau> it's merits a try but I'll tell you one thing I don't think it will work the way you want it though, like I said it's just how it's programmed
21:15:05 <pa_8032> ok, I'll try, if it doesn't work I'll just use two versions of portable app with the respected software needed(wanted)
21:15:31 <pa_8032> Thanks you guys, your help is very valuable. Love the program, was really helpful when I was in China.
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21:16:50 <Gizmokid2005> Hey JohnTHaller
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21:18:45 <JohnTHaller> hey back
21:18:52 <Chazz> wb JohnTHaller
21:18:54 <JohnTHaller> sorry, was afk
21:19:10 <JohnTHaller> as for truecrypt, you need to have the platform and apps all on one volume at the moment, in case someone asks again
21:19:37 <JohnTHaller> release team status page is: http://portableapps.com/development/test/status
21:20:09 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: if you have a moment, I have two separate issues I'd like to pick your brain on.
21:20:42 <Chazz> and, JohnTHaller i was wondering if Gnumeric Portable was good to go
21:20:55 <JohnTHaller> and qwertymodo, do you have a high res icon for monster 2?
21:21:04 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: shoot
21:21:33 <JohnTHaller> Chazz: Gonna have to think about that since it's essentially dev test versions. If there's really no ETA on 1.10, we may just go ahead with a big disclaimer
21:21:38 <qwertymodo> JohnTHaller how big do you need?
21:21:46 <Chazz> ok, :)
21:21:58 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: with Songbird, there is a .tree file that i have to modify, I talked to you about this before, as it's a hex file...well, the issue that I"m running into now, is I have to find the file name.....and it's stored in prefs.js, and it's also stored in its' own folder...I was going to try and pull the name out of the prefs file, but I can't figure out the right function to use.
21:22:21 <JohnTHaller> ConfigRead
21:22:27 <Gizmokid2005> really?
21:22:32 <Gizmokid2005> is that a standard function?
21:22:33 <JohnTHaller> check out the firefox launcher for examples
21:22:34 <JohnTHaller> yup
21:22:41 <Gizmokid2005> hmm, somehow I missed that one
21:22:45 <Gizmokid2005> awesome :) thanks
21:22:47 <JohnTHaller> configread and configwrite
21:23:06 <Gizmokid2005> that should just about take care of everything I'm having issues with, I just need to store that config item to a variable so I know what file to open and edit
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21:23:26 <Gizmokid2005> but it's not in the FFP launcher :(
21:24:00 <Gizmokid2005> HM NIS edit doesn't see it as a function either?
21:24:18 <qwertymodo> JohnTHaller http://www.nooskewl.com/stuff/images/m2logo.png
21:25:40 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: It's in the NSIS docs
21:25:49 <qwertymodo> Gizmokid2005 http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Docs/AppendixE.html#E.2.9
21:26:10 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: qwertymodo, thanks. Looking now.
21:26:21 <JohnTHaller> qwertymodo: got it
21:28:28 <Gizmokid2005> the backslash is the escape character right?
21:29:08 <Gizmokid2005> like so: ${ConfigRead} "$PROFILEDIRECTORY\prefs.js" "\"songbird.watch_folder.sessionguid\"," $R2
21:29:08 <Gizmokid2005> ?
21:29:30 <ZachThibeau> back
21:30:10 <ZachThibeau> going to do more testing now and post some worthy apps in the release team page :)
21:31:58 <ZachThibeau> something I should of done a while ago I'm afraid :(
21:32:25 <qwertymodo> Gizmokid2005 escape is $\ not just \
21:32:30 <Gizmokid2005> thanks Quincy
21:32:33 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo*
21:32:38 <qwertymodo> np
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21:34:21 <JohnTHaller> qwertymodo: I can't grab your current release to test. says it's not availble
21:34:37 <qwertymodo> hold on...
21:34:55 <qwertymodo> i'll check the link
21:35:32 <qwertymodo> ah, I re-structured my files when they redid the FRS
21:35:40 <qwertymodo> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pafapps/files/Monster%202/1.0p1/Development%20Tests/Monster2Portable_1.0p1_Dev_Test_5_English.paf.exe/download
21:36:01 <qwertymodo> I'll update the thread
21:36:57 <Gizmokid2005> which function is the best for stripping characters in a string?
21:37:05 <Gizmokid2005> ie - the one i just got returned from my ConfigRead
21:39:19 <JohnTHaller> You mean to remove the end of the stuff from the prefs.js... stuff like ");. Just use StrCpy with negative numbers (see NSIS manual)
21:39:32 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yep, and the leading { also
21:39:55 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: this is what I'm returned: "{95e21257-dd32-4a4c-a8cf-b404864bc2a8}");
21:40:19 <JohnTHaller> Right. so two strcpys
21:40:36 <Gizmokid2005> K, wasn't sure if It could be done in one fell swoop (I'm thinking bck to excel forms here).
21:40:37 <Gizmokid2005> thanks
21:40:45 <Gizmokid2005> shouldn't be too much longer and SBP should be ready to go PR.
21:41:30 <qwertymodo> JohnTHaller I think there's something weird with SourceForge because I looked again and the link was actually right... if it redirects you to the files page, it's the Monster 2 Dev Test 5 is the most recent browsing to it seems to work fine
21:41:57 <JohnTHaller> alright, gotta run and drop of laundry and then work on the next platform beta. will be back soon.
21:42:08 <Chazz> g'bye JohnTHaller
21:42:09 <JohnTHaller> qwertymodo: I got it that time.
21:42:18 <JohnTHaller> I'll update a splash as long as it checks out later tonight :-)
21:42:39 <qwertymodo> cool :)
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21:55:34 <gufete> hello
21:55:59 <Gizmokid2005> hello gufete
21:56:05 <gufete> i work at university of seville and we want to donate bandwith to portableapps becoming a download mirror. Who should I talk to?
21:56:18 <Gizmokid2005> gufete: all of our downloads are hosted on SourceForge
21:56:36 <jnw222> and i dont think sourceforge needs any new mirrors
21:56:36 <gufete> hmmm
21:56:40 <gufete> ok
21:56:41 <Gizmokid2005> but if you are interested, the man to talk to would be JohnTHaller, you can contact him here: http://portableapps.com/about/contact
21:56:48 <gufete> ok
21:56:52 <Gizmokid2005> but like jnw222, I doubt they need more mirrors
21:57:01 <gufete> thank you very much and keep with the good work!
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22:02:28 <qwertymodo> distribution via bittorrent might be cool... other than not being able to track download stats
22:03:07 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: yeah, but then you have to worry about possible tampering
22:03:13 <Gizmokid2005> not all people know about MD5s and whatnot.
22:03:23 <qwertymodo> no because bittorrent has built in hashing
22:03:37 <qwertymodo> host the torrent files themselves on PA.c
22:03:49 <qwertymodo> OpenOffice.org does it and it works great
22:03:56 <Gizmokid2005> true.
22:04:01 <jnw222> openoffice.org does torrents?
22:04:03 <Gizmokid2005> but not everything has access to a bt client
22:04:14 <Gizmokid2005> nor can they use it due to network restrictions
22:04:19 <qwertymodo> I don't mean completely switch
22:04:37 <qwertymodo> OpenOffice has normal mirrors and then P2P links too
22:04:51 <jnw222> and standard http is enough
22:04:51 <jnw222> bt is often when everyone wants the file at once
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22:05:16 <qwertymodo> well it could be nice for big files like OOo Portable
22:05:38 <qwertymodo> I know I always use the OOo bt links because they are always way faster
22:05:47 <qwertymodo> and d/l resuming
22:05:54 <qwertymodo> another plus for large files
22:06:06 <qwertymodo> plus the afforementioned built-in hashing
22:06:17 <jnw222> 80mb? kind of small compared to linux distro releases (big use of bt) and you can resume http downloads using certain download managers
22:06:37 <qwertymodo> I usually get the JRE package, app 130mb
22:06:45 <jnw222> oh
22:07:32 <jnw222> i was talking about ooo portable which is 87mb
22:07:42 <qwertymodo> ah
22:07:52 <qwertymodo> well I was just throwing around a thought
22:08:24 <qwertymodo> btw here's the OO.o p2p page if you're curious
22:08:25 <qwertymodo> http://distribution.openoffice.org/p2p/
22:09:50 <jnw222> and as most people have a internet connection that can do 200kbps (oo.o in like 10 minutesor less)
22:09:51 <jnw222> and p2p is useless to me
22:10:50 <qwertymodo> well the point of the p2p is that it isn't the end-user's connection speed that's the limiting factor
22:11:10 <jnw222> ?
22:11:12 <qwertymodo> because as a user I'm capable of downloading faster than most servers will give the file to me
22:11:26 <jnw222> true
22:11:44 <jnw222> to me it is a like 9kbps diffrence
22:12:00 <qwertymodo> using OOo as my example, the p2p download will finish for me about 10 times faster every time
22:12:03 <Gizmokid2005> the problem with that is that you'd need consistent seeders too
22:12:08 <Gizmokid2005> and I'd never find enough to keep up with my connection
22:12:32 <jnw222> good point gizmokid2005
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22:13:12 <qwertymodo> well considering we just hit 100 million downloads... I'd guess you wouldn't have to worry about seeders for the more popular apps
22:13:27 <qwertymodo> or even the less popular official ones
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22:13:39 <qwertymodo> anything else wouldn't be released that way anyway
22:13:44 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but you have to remember our adage here, portableapps, so people aren't neccessarily going to let their downloads hang around...
22:13:55 <Gizmokid2005> and on voxel I typically can max their server at like 1.2MB/s DL
22:14:19 <Gizmokid2005> my connection maxes as just over 2.0MB/s
22:15:09 <jnw222> mine maxes at 256 KB/s but i never get above 220 (probally my wifi card)
22:16:03 <qwertymodo> come to think of it, it probably wouldn't work too well anyway once we start getting commercial apps made official... oh well
22:16:28 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
22:16:39 <jnw222> and most apps are less than 30mb which is a quick download for most users
22:17:15 <Gizmokid2005> one time I could see it helpful, is if nightly packages of ALL pa apps were packaged into something for DL...then maybe.
22:17:24 <qwertymodo> fastest i ever hit was a fedora dvd (4+ gigs) in < 2 minutes O_o over p2p
22:17:40 <jnw222> wow
22:17:51 <qwertymodo> never ever come even close to that again but it was amazing
22:18:05 <jnw222> a fedora dvd takes like 30 HOURS on my connection even over p2p
22:18:16 <qwertymodo> yeah i walked out of the room and came back and it was done
22:18:39 <qwertymodo> only reason i know how long it took was because of the timer log
22:18:53 <jnw222> lol i wish i could have that kind of a connection (espically for the upload speed)
22:19:13 <qwertymodo> my NORMAL max is around 200-400 depending on the day
22:19:40 <jnw222> tried uploading a 400mb video, left computer at 9pm came back at 6am, just finished
22:19:58 <qwertymodo> yeah, upload's a killer
22:20:06 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
22:20:10 <Gizmokid2005> US sucks for upload speeds
22:20:16 <Gizmokid2005> I have a 16M down, with only 2M up...
22:20:40 <jnw222> upload on most connections is .125 times the download speed
22:20:46 <jnw222> or 1/8
22:21:08 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, I'd love a synchronus line..
22:21:19 <jnw222> me too
22:21:26 <Gizmokid2005> hell
22:21:30 <Gizmokid2005> even if it was a 5x5
22:21:35 <Gizmokid2005> but this 16x2...
22:21:44 <Gizmokid2005> the only reason I went up from my 10x1 was for the Upload...
22:21:48 <jnw222> lol
22:22:13 <qwertymodo> well mine's included in my housing (i'm in the dorms) so I can't really complain
22:23:07 <jnw222> or a 4X1 would beet my 2x0.25
22:23:46 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, most DSL lines are 1.5x384 TOPS
22:23:52 <Gizmokid2005> typically it's 1.5x256
22:26:36 <qwertymodo> my home line got downgraded from broadband to dsl
22:26:38 <qwertymodo> painful
22:26:45 <jnw222> ouch
22:26:52 <qwertymodo> especially after that awesome connection at school
22:27:37 <jnw222> sadly i use dsl, and my school sets the max and workstation can get is 50kbps
22:27:48 <qwertymodo> so i went from a connection that once d/l'ed 4 gigs in 2 minutes to click download and walk away before i get the urge to destroy something :P
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22:30:10 <jnw222> my isp does dial-up and dsl but no broadband :( and the max dsl speed is 10mb x 786k
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23:45:15 <ZachThibeau> added SMPlayer DevTest 1 as a possible candidate to be a pre-release :)
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23:55:18 <ZachThibeau> howdy gluxon
23:55:26 <gluxon> Hi ZachThibeau :D
23:55:34 <ZachThibeau> long time since I last saw you
23:56:43 <gluxon> Yeah, I know.
23:58:04 <ZachThibeau> so how's things been for you?
23:58:11 <gluxon> Bad :(
23:58:31 <ZachThibeau> ohh D: