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04:48:55 <GizmoBot> pabot is the good old bot of #portableapps, and it looks like he's back, so I'm outta here!
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04:50:46 <SergentSiler> XD
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04:56:38 <Gizmokid2005> Hmm, apparently that's still not fixed *sigh*
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05:08:16 <SergentSiler> lol
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08:38:32 <Chazz> hey ChrisMorgan :)
08:38:45 <ChrisMorgan> hey Chazz :)
08:38:58 <Chazz> how are you this afternoon?
08:39:11 <ChrisMorgan> I'm fine tonight
08:39:17 <Chazz> thats good
08:39:21 <SergentSiler> Chazz, its early early morning for us :P
08:39:22 <Chazz> it;s tonight? :/
08:39:26 <Chazz> SergentSiler, i know
08:39:37 <SergentSiler> so why did you say afternoon? :P
08:39:50 <Chazz> SergentSiler, cause i thought it was afternoon there
08:39:56 <Chazz> i was close
08:39:56 <SergentSiler> lol
08:40:06 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: your time?
08:40:15 <Chazz> 3:50 AM
08:40:18 <SergentSiler> .t est
08:40:19 <pabot> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:50:30 EST
08:40:23 <SergentSiler> grr
08:40:32 <SergentSiler> .t cest
08:40:32 <pabot> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:50:44 CEST
08:40:35 <SergentSiler> no
08:40:38 <SergentSiler> what is it >_>
08:40:38 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: what are you doing up at this time!?
08:40:49 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, coding :/
08:41:14 <ChrisMorgan> Why at this (that) time of night!?
08:41:33 <Chazz> excellant question! :)
08:41:40 <ChrisMorgan> Answer it then :)
08:41:50 <SergentSiler> lol
08:42:02 <Chazz> well, it took me all of today to fix my computer, so i've only had three hours to code
08:42:11 <ChrisMorgan> What're you doing?
08:42:22 <ChrisMorgan> And what was wrong with it?
08:42:31 <Chazz> coding an IRC bot, which was suposed to be released about 2 monthes ago
08:42:37 <Chazz> and, i wish i knew
08:42:57 <ChrisMorgan> Well my diagnosis is that you are the problem.
08:43:00 <ChrisMorgan> You need sleep.
08:43:02 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
08:43:02 * Chazz also shld get a bit more of Perl Portable done.
08:43:07 <ChrisMorgan> Dr. Chris has spoken :-)
08:43:17 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i'll go to sleep around 7 AM :P
08:43:19 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz also shld get a lot more of sleep done.
08:43:27 <Chazz> yarly
08:43:41 <Chazz> btw, ChrisMorgan pm please?
08:44:10 <ChrisMorgan> Well I'm doing homework ATM... you can try though...
08:44:17 <Chazz> ok
08:45:48 <Chazz> wait, homework!
08:46:02 <Chazz> isn't it still summer there?
08:46:46 <ChrisMorgan> Mid-winter...
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08:50:44 <Chazz> oh ya, your southern hemesphere, right?
08:51:07 <ChrisMorgan> Very :-)
08:51:15 <Chazz> ah, cool!
08:52:16 <SergentSiler> lol
08:52:30 * Chazz is jelous
08:56:01 <ChrisMorgan> What of?
08:56:11 <Chazz> the southern hemisphere
08:56:19 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
08:56:37 <Chazz> its funner than where i live
08:56:45 <ChrisMorgan> Where's that?
08:56:50 <SergentSiler> states
08:56:54 <Chazz> Iowa, USA
08:56:59 <ChrisMorgan> Don't blame you... :D
08:57:00 <Chazz> :/
08:57:06 <SergentSiler> lol
08:57:10 <Chazz> we have corn, corn, and more corn
08:57:16 <SergentSiler> XD
08:57:49 <Chazz> and thats about it
08:57:55 <ChrisMorgan> You mean that you have corns ;-)
08:57:59 <Chazz> lol
08:58:01 <SergentSiler> at least its tasty :P
08:58:14 <Chazz> SergentSiler, not always
08:58:17 <SergentSiler> lol
08:58:36 <ChrisMorgan> Well corn chips are nice...
08:58:43 <Chazz> yes :)
08:58:50 <SergentSiler> fritos ftw
08:59:21 <SergentSiler> Chazz, u can also make ethanol with that :P
08:59:45 <Chazz> SergentSiler, we have like, 1 ethanol plant per 10 miles
08:59:55 <SergentSiler> lololololololololololllll
09:00:25 <Chazz> and they're ALL using more fossil fules to make the ethanol than we're saving by using it
09:00:38 <SergentSiler> lol
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09:29:32 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, perhaps move this to general or off-topic forum section http://portableapps.com/node/20229 <--
09:29:45 <Chazz> cause it's deffinately not an app request
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09:36:25 <Chazz> :/
09:36:38 <SergentSiler> lol
09:36:52 <Chazz> the spam killed chris :'(
09:37:32 <SergentSiler> lol
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09:39:53 <Chazz> the spam killed MaienM too :/
09:40:06 <SergentSiler> lol
09:40:16 <Chazz> who will die next?
09:41:35 <Chazz> SergentSiler, don't click it!
09:41:39 <Chazz> you will die!
09:42:02 <SergentSiler> lol
09:42:26 * Chazz goes off and tells Chuck Norris to click it
09:42:48 <Chazz> Cut it with the Tool Saw
09:43:09 <Chazz> crap... wrong tab :/
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10:09:14 <Evoel> hi
10:09:20 <Evoel> there's a problem with portableApps.com stuff
10:09:31 <Chazz> whats wrong with it?
10:09:48 <Evoel> every program causes the mouse cursor to turn into "busy cursor" for like 5 seconds
10:09:52 <Evoel> for no reason
10:10:09 <Evoel> even on the most simplistic program that loads instantly, like OnScreenKeyboardPortable
10:10:52 <Evoel> and while the mouse cursor is "busy cursor" for 5 seconds, it's not doing anything. I checked process monitor, there's no disk or registry access, and the program isnt even doing anything, and it's fully ready to use
10:11:20 <Evoel> the 5 second cursor is just a mistake, it's not a "real" busy
10:12:02 <Chazz> i'm pretty sure thats just an NSIS thing
10:12:27 <Evoel> i avoid all PortableApps.com stuff and make the portable myself cause i hate that cursor so much
10:12:42 <Chazz> ...
10:13:04 <Evoel> because there should be no consequences to it being portable
10:13:13 <Evoel> just because its portable doesnt mean it has to have nasty busy cursors that sit there
10:13:15 <Evoel> that is retarded
10:13:20 <Evoel> it ruins the program
10:13:52 <Evoel> i cant get my mind around it, it's no longer a "fast clean small program"
10:14:04 <Evoel> it's a "crappy portableapps thing with cursor delays"
10:15:11 <Evoel> also, if you enable the splash screen on portableapps stuff, then there's no 5 second busy cursor
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10:16:02 <Evoeel> i'm sorry.. what did I say last?
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10:57:54 <Horusofoz> Hey guys :)
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10:58:37 <Horusofoz> Can anyone tell me how to set up a Google calendar in Thunderbird that I can access offline?
11:03:49 <Horusofoz> ??
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14:37:30 <Whibo> test test
14:40:33 <Gizmokid2005> test
14:40:36 <Gizmokid2005> :P
14:40:37 <Gizmokid2005> hello Whibo
14:40:43 <Whibo> hello
14:40:47 <Whibo> :)
14:41:08 <Whibo> /znc playbuffer #portableapps
14:41:10 <Whibo> :p
14:41:35 <Whibo> i'll be online all the time now
14:41:38 <Whibo> :p
14:41:39 <Gizmokid2005> lol
14:41:41 <Gizmokid2005> ok
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14:45:32 <Whibo> can you tell me somethin
14:45:40 <Gizmokid2005> I can try
14:46:10 <Whibo> in 5 sec tell me if i'm away and pm me. i'll be away 15 sec
14:46:12 <Whibo> 3
14:46:14 <Whibo> 2
14:46:15 <Whibo> 1
14:46:52 <Whibo> and?
14:46:58 <Whibo> was i away?
14:47:00 <Gizmokid2005> Yup, it changed
14:47:04 <Whibo> cool
14:47:08 <Gizmokid2005> kvirc must not update real time, but you did go away
14:47:14 <Whibo> it said somethin?
14:47:28 <Whibo> can you pm me
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15:55:55 <pa_8051> can someone help add shortcut links to the portable apps quickstart menu?
15:56:12 <ZachThibeau> you mean the platform?
15:56:36 <ZachThibeau> if so just read this http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
15:56:57 <ZachThibeau> it's also good to bookmark that too for reference :)
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15:58:05 <pa_8051> I guess the file has to be an executable file in order for portableapps to show it in the apps start menu?
15:58:19 <pa_8051> I would like to just add a .ink shortcut file
15:58:37 <ZachThibeau> ink shortcuts will not pickup in the platform
15:58:46 <pa_8051> okay ... thank you.
15:59:09 <ZachThibeau> np
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16:42:07 <gluxon> O.M.G...
16:42:14 <gluxon> My site's been spammed...
16:42:15 <gluxon> :(
16:42:38 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: at least it wasn't hacked :(
16:42:59 <gluxon> But I have 134 users :D
16:42:59 <gluxon> Too bad 131 of them are robots! :(
16:43:02 <gluxon> ...
16:43:03 <Gizmokid2005> :(
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16:44:35 <JohnTHaller> hola
16:44:40 <Gizmokid2005> Hey JohnTHaller :)
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16:45:37 <Gizmokid2005> SongbirdPortable DT3 will be up shortly
16:47:19 <JohnTHaller> cool beans
16:47:54 <AppGuy> :D
16:47:59 <kai_62656> :P
16:48:03 <Gizmokid2005> FINALLY got the hex editing figured out, so everything should work seamlessly :) And I verified my ReadEvnVar against your CoolPlayer+ launcher and it seems its right :)
16:49:58 <SergentSiler> omg kai_62656 O_O
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16:50:06 <SergentSiler> D:
16:50:11 <kai_62656|away> SergentSiler: : ?
16:50:16 <SergentSiler> OHAI
16:50:21 <kai_62656|away> ?...?
16:50:28 <SergentSiler> long time no see >_>
16:50:33 <kai_62656|away> orly?
16:50:39 * SergentSiler waves hello to JTH
16:51:01 <JohnTHaller> howdy
16:51:54 <Gizmokid2005> Updated: Songbird Portable 1.2 DT3: http://portableapps.com/node/19953
16:51:55 <Gizmokid2005> :D
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16:53:14 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: So, does this fix all known issues?
16:54:10 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: Yep. The only outstanding issue I had, was the watch folders complaining at startup, because of an issue with the .tree hex file not being updated. This fixes that in my testing, and I'm not aware of any other issues.
16:54:31 <JohnTHaller> Suweet!
16:54:35 <Gizmokid2005> I know!
16:54:48 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: that's a first for PortableApps isn't it? Messing with hex files in a launcher?
16:55:53 <JohnTHaller> I thought I did it with something else before, but I can't remember now.
16:56:25 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, i did some searching in quite a few launchers but hadn't found anything. So it was a learning experience for sure, I put one of the guys to use at the NSIS forums :) They were a HUGE help on it :0
16:56:26 <Gizmokid2005> *:)
16:56:40 <Gizmokid2005> I'm curious to see how many downloads this gets.
16:56:57 <Gizmokid2005> since we have 753 of DT1 & 2 combined already.
16:57:49 <JohnTHaller> If it works welll, we may just go right to final instead of doing a pre-release. This has gotten a lot of testing already and there's a lot of interest in it.
16:58:35 <Gizmokid2005> sounds good to me. Lots of late nights in this one, and I know, at least for myself, I LOVE using Songbird so.
17:04:45 <Gizmokid2005> Oops, gotta update the MD5
17:06:54 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller didn't see you come in :)
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17:09:59 <JohnTHaller> i'm wearing quiet shoes
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17:11:03 <ZachThibeau> well I was kind of napping it's been a long week for me, twas pulling late shifts at work and staying up at night and getting some applications tested so we can get more apps in pre-release stage
17:11:29 <ZachThibeau> I figured I'm on the team, I should start pulling my weight and get things done
17:12:53 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: I'm currently pulling eclipse apart and giving it a thorough run through :P
17:14:33 <ZachThibeau> and on top of that I'm working on a text editor that pulls the best features of Notepad2 and Notepad++ in C++ just to give me something of a crash course in c++
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17:17:13 <ZachThibeau> howdy pa_6776 how can we assist you today
17:17:50 <pa_6776> hey :) im just wondering is there anyway to automatically update PortableApps' apps?
17:18:10 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: I think this maybe a good one for you to answer
17:20:03 <ZachThibeau> hmm must be away from the pc, anyways pa_6776 there is a way but at this moment our updater is on hold until the new version of the platform is done
17:20:35 <ZachThibeau> there is an old copy of the updater you can try though http://portableapps.com/node/16779
17:21:58 <pa_6776> I see :) Just curious - what do you use to code PortableApps? (And do you use NSIS for the installers?)
17:22:41 <ZachThibeau> we use nsis for the launchers and the installers
17:22:53 <ZachThibeau> the platform itself though is written in delpho
17:22:55 <ZachThibeau> **delphi
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17:23:28 <pa_6776> What about the updater? Is it coded in Delphi?
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17:23:30 <JohnTHaller> The updater will be in Beta 4. I can repost the screenshots here if you're curious.
17:23:57 <ZachThibeau> pa_6776: the updater itself at least the outdated one is written in NSIS
17:24:28 <JohnTHaller> the new one is for now as well, too. it will probably switch to delphi around platform 2.5
17:24:59 <ZachThibeau> I believe MaienM is writting one himself (IIRC) using c++ and the WxWidgets toolkit
17:26:01 <pa_6776> I see. I'm not a Delphi person. :)
17:26:38 <ZachThibeau> it's relatively easy actually, I got into it pretty quickly myself, but I'm more of a c++ guy :P
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17:27:39 <JohnTHaller> Here's what it looks like: http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterPreview2.png
17:27:59 <JohnTHaller> It can add new apps, too: http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterAddPreview2.png
17:29:00 <pa_6776> Looks good! Looking forward to new features from the devs :)
17:29:24 <ZachThibeau> :)
17:29:33 <pa_6776> Can I code a Python program to do installation and updates?
17:29:40 <JohnTHaller> Beta 4 should land this week. I'm working on it now. While my PC is busy packaging Thunderbird Portable 3 Beta 3 for release.
17:30:23 <JohnTHaller> Python is a little trickier unless you compile it (Py2Exe). Though we're working with some of the Python folks to make Python available at the platform level to Python apps.
17:31:01 <pa_6776> That's what I'm going to do. It's not that bad, really. I've done it before with some scripts I wrote.
17:31:47 <ZachThibeau> pa_6776: I got a friend I shoudl show you :P he's writting a program like that but for linux distrobutions and the program is called keryx
17:32:08 <pa_6776> I was actually hoping Py2Exe would have the dependencies bundled in, but only Linux (and Mac??) can do it. :P
17:32:09 <ZachThibeau> and it's written in python too
17:32:34 <pa_6776> Keryx? Does it bundle Python scripts to executables?
17:33:28 <ZachThibeau> go to #keryx and ask :) the guy you want is excid3 or if he isn't there look for a crashsystems those guys are the main devs behind keryx
17:35:10 <pa_6776> A Google search leads me to this: http://keryxproject.org/ Is that it?
17:35:27 <ZachThibeau> yes thats their main site
17:36:00 <ZachThibeau> #keryx is their channel on freenode where they are on most of the time :)
17:36:04 <pa_6776> Looks interesting. I'll talk to the dev(s) soon. :)
17:36:12 <ZachThibeau> cool
17:36:27 <ZachThibeau> maybe they can give you some insights on how to code your updater :)
17:36:42 <pa_6776> Anyway, tonight (EST) I will start writing the updater for PortableApps. :)
17:36:49 <pa_6776> Is there any "API" of some sort?
17:37:24 <ZachThibeau> well our updater pullls an ini file John maintains which point to the latest release files
17:38:20 <JohnTHaller> pa_6776: We really don't need another updater, to be honest, as the NSIS one will be the official one as of the 2.0 release and we'll probably switch to Delphi later. I mean, you could do it as an exercise, but it'll probably be used by one of the other portable projects that isn't so respectful of the GPL :-(
17:39:24 <pa_6776> Oh. If you're not going to use it, then I won't make it. :) I certainly don't want the other non-GPL projects to use my code.
17:40:23 <JohnTHaller> How small you think you could get it in Python, btw... compiled I mean?
17:41:09 <JohnTHaller> Honestly, I like Python and can code it in well (as opposed to, say, C++, where I currently fail). I'd consider switching to it if it were something nice and tight that worked well, was a small build size and could be compiled for Linux or Mac, for instance.
17:41:42 <pa_6776> Python binaries (if compiled Py2Exe) can be "small" - but add the other loads of dependencies on the side and then it get's big. :(
17:41:59 <pa_6776> **(if compiled with Py2Exe)
17:42:20 <pa_6776> wxWidgets is great toolkit, but it's kinda big.
17:42:43 <ZachThibeau> though C++ with Wxwidgets isn't too bad though
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17:42:54 <ZachThibeau> using the visual studio compiler though
17:43:05 <ZachThibeau> mingw makes the exe a little bigger
17:43:29 <ZachThibeau> but either way it would be about 4megs uncompressed
17:43:37 <pa_6776> PyGTK is another toolkit option, but the GUI makes Windows XP look new.
17:43:37 <pa_6205> hi
17:43:50 <pa_6776> Hi.
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17:44:09 <ZachThibeau> pa_6205: howdy how can we assist... nm
17:44:57 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. I've been debating switching to WxWidgets and C++ (and improving my skills) as we could be cross-platform. And I'll shut up at the moment in case our new guest needs some assistance.
17:45:08 <gluxon> Yes!
17:45:09 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: the new guest left
17:45:13 <gluxon> Do that!
17:45:14 <gluxon> :D
17:45:32 <gluxon> But wouldn't you have to reprogram the menu?
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17:45:45 <gluxon> ... Hi firefox...
17:45:48 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: and if you do want to switch to wxwidgets and C++ MaienM and I would be willing to help as well as Steve Lamerton since we program in WxWidgets and C++
17:45:59 <gluxon> ... so do i...
17:46:16 <firefox> any body can solve my firefox prblm
17:46:29 <gluxon> what is it?
17:47:01 <firefox> i want to change firefox portabe image
17:47:10 <gluxon> The splash screen?
17:47:14 <ZachThibeau> you mean the splash screen?
17:47:14 <firefox> ya
17:47:19 <gluxon> Ok.
17:47:25 <firefox> i tried but didnt succed
17:47:25 <ZachThibeau> you would need to recompile the launcher to do that
17:47:28 <gluxon> I'll give you step by step instructions.
17:47:33 <firefox> ok
17:47:36 <gluxon> Do you have NSIS Portable?
17:48:21 <firefox> i never used it
17:48:32 <firefox> but recently i downloded it
17:48:37 <Whibo> nice nick firefox
17:48:39 <gluxon> K.
17:48:46 <firefox> tnx
17:48:55 <gluxon> Yeah, how in the world were you able to take that..
17:48:59 <Whibo> I heard that name before...
17:49:00 <firefox> nw tell me gluxon
17:49:01 <gluxon> before anybody else...
17:49:03 <gluxon> K.
17:49:07 <gluxon> Open up NSIS Portable.
17:49:12 <firefox> ok
17:49:23 <gluxon> And the X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable\Other\Source folder.
17:49:26 <gluxon> X: as your drive.
17:49:39 <firefox> ok
17:49:50 <gluxon> You have the picture you want right?
17:49:58 <firefox> ya
17:50:04 <gluxon> K.
17:50:21 <gluxon> Rename it to FirefoxPortable.jpg
17:50:27 <firefox> ok
17:50:32 <firefox> same i did
17:50:39 <gluxon> And overwrite the Other FirefoxPortable.jpg in the Source folder.
17:50:42 <JohnTHaller> firefox: Just to note, if you want you can just disable it by copying the FirefoxPortable.ini file from Other\Source to the FirefoxPortable directory and changing DisableSplash=true in it. Also, if you change or disable the splash, you can't make that version available online to others.
17:50:42 <firefox> but notings happens
17:51:16 <gluxon> firefox: Yeah, nothing should chang.e
17:51:21 <gluxon> Before you recompile.
17:51:25 <gluxon> NSIS Portable is open?
17:51:25 <firefox> ya i want top use it for personal
17:51:33 <gluxon> k.
17:51:41 <firefox> ok
17:52:04 <gluxon> In the NSIS menu, under "Compile" click on "Compile NSI Scripts"
17:52:55 <firefox> den
17:53:26 <gluxon> The compiler opened up?
17:53:33 <firefox> ok
17:53:42 <firefox> u tell fastly i did it later
17:54:27 <firefox> gluxon
17:54:34 <gluxon> sorry.
17:54:38 <firefox> wat
17:54:44 <gluxon> K.
17:54:52 <gluxon> Drag FirefoxPortable.nsi into the log.
17:55:22 <firefox> k
17:55:59 <gluxon> Did you get any errors?
17:56:33 <firefox> i m not doing it
17:56:44 <firefox> i performed it llater
17:57:02 <gluxon> ?
17:57:14 <gluxon> That's what you have to do to change the Splash.
17:58:14 <firefox> ok
17:58:43 <firefox> if i get prblm hw i contact u
17:58:49 <gluxon> bcheng.gt@gmail.com
17:58:58 <gluxon> or you could send me the pic and I'd do it.
17:59:22 <firefox> or send me the procedure
17:59:27 <gluxon> K.
17:59:28 <firefox> video
17:59:32 <gluxon> video?
17:59:34 <gluxon> Ok.
17:59:40 <gluxon> What format?
17:59:44 <gluxon> Or does it matter?
17:59:53 <firefox> no
17:59:59 <gluxon> k.
18:00:01 <gluxon> .swf.
18:00:03 <firefox> any popu;lar format
18:00:04 <firefox> ok
18:00:15 <firefox> this is my mail id
18:00:30 <firefox> pushprajchauhan@gmail.com
18:00:37 <gluxon> k.
18:00:39 <gluxon> I'll start now.
18:01:22 <firefox> ok
18:01:51 <firefox> mail me pls i will c it later here is night i m going to sleep
18:02:03 <firefox> tnx for ur support
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18:06:41 <ZachThibeau> well I got a very basic frame with a list control, a url to visit portableapps.com, working on retrieving the applications list now :)
18:08:26 <pa_6776> Hmmm.... Py2Exe doesn't sound too bad! :) See here: http://wiki.wxpython.org/SmallApp
18:08:42 <pa_6776> Only 6 MB, 3MB packed (NSIS).
18:09:12 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. But the NSIS updater is 141KB.
18:09:39 <JohnTHaller> Trying to keep the platform as small as possible. Without 20 different EXEs for each function and bloated bits.
18:10:02 <JohnTHaller> Menu is 352K, Backup is 159K, Restore is 148K
18:10:25 <ZachThibeau> yeah the nsis is probably the simplist to go with my compiled version with just my frame using mingw though is about 3megs without compressing
18:11:01 <ZachThibeau> nsis or delphi
18:11:57 <gluxon> Wow... that's really small.
18:12:12 <pa_6776> If only Python could be a little smaller.....
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18:13:23 <JohnTHaller> how big are the py scripts without compiling em?
18:13:34 <JohnTHaller> (is sans the normal python libraries?)
18:15:13 <pa_6776> I'm not too sure....
18:15:31 <pa_6776> And the python script from the example site is 241 lines long.
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18:16:46 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: if it helps to guage at all, I think all of pabot/gizmobot's python uncompiled files for all it's functions are in the range of 100-200kb, and it's a lot there.
18:17:41 <ZachThibeau> and thats without any gui toolkit for python though
18:18:00 <ZachThibeau> so probably maybe 300-400kb possibly
18:18:14 <ZachThibeau> ish
18:18:38 <ZachThibeau> where is excid3 where you need him >_<
18:18:55 <pa_6776> The only reason it explodes to 3-6 MB is because of the GUI toolkit library (wxWidgets). :P
18:19:27 <JohnTHaller> ah
18:19:33 <ZachThibeau> or in c++ it's related to compiler too
18:19:45 <ZachThibeau> in essence optimization
18:21:19 * ZachThibeau should see about modifying mingw and see if he can get it more optimized, be a bold move but maybe too much to try :/
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18:22:18 <pa_6776> And that would be crazy to do. Compilers are something you don't want to mess with. :P
18:22:41 <pa_6776> There is, however, some optimization flags (options) you can set for GCC/G++.
18:23:17 <ZachThibeau> yes but end result will still be bigger than an exe compiled in visual studio
18:23:47 <ZachThibeau> and thats because it's has more attention
18:27:11 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Thunderbird Portable 3 Beta 3: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-05_-_thunderbird_portable_3_beta_3
18:27:57 <ZachThibeau> yay :D
18:29:39 <jnw222> yay
18:29:45 <pa_6776> Yippe! :)
18:30:02 <pa_6776> @ZachThibeau: Did you try stripping the binary?
18:30:13 <ZachThibeau> compressed with upx
18:30:14 <pa_6776> The command is: "strip [file]"
18:30:24 <pa_6776> No, no no.....
18:30:33 <pa_6776> Strip it first, then upx it.....
18:30:43 <pa_6776> (or maybe UPX already does that....)
18:32:18 <ZachThibeau> hmm not bad
18:32:33 <ZachThibeau> 600kb after stipping and upx'ing the file
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18:33:34 <ZachThibeau> I'll have to keep that in mind for my other projects then :)
18:33:36 <pa_6776> Stripping removes unnecessary debugging symbols, which you want, unless you are debugging it.
18:33:56 <pa_6776> How much space is the VC++ build?
18:34:22 <ZachThibeau> I can't remember, I don't have wxwidgets integrated into visual studio anymore
18:34:38 <ZachThibeau> been migrating to mingw for everything
18:36:12 <pa_6776> Keep the strip command in mind.
18:36:24 <pa_6776> And btw, do you have Make installed?
18:37:02 <ZachThibeau> mingw32-make which is essentially the same
18:37:29 <pa_6776> Yeah, I know.
18:38:00 <pa_6776> You should use it. If you are going a c++ build, I'm thinking you would have multiple files, right?
18:38:20 <ZachThibeau> but I'm using an IDE for my projects
18:38:24 <ZachThibeau> Codeblocks FTW :D
18:38:52 <pa_6776> Oh. Then that works too. :)
18:39:14 <pa_6776> Isn't there an option to strip binaries in Codeblocks?
18:40:08 <ZachThibeau> idk :/ if not it should be easy to do anyways
18:43:32 <pa_6776> Read this: http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/windows/3430/ and this: http://www.mingw.org/wiki/Large_executables
18:43:48 <pa_6776> Especially follow the mingw.org instructions. That will help a bit. :)
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18:58:03 <ZachThibeau> well jimhap thank you very much for the help :)
19:03:15 <jimhap> What's the size now? :)
19:03:24 <ZachThibeau> well 678kb :)
19:03:37 <ZachThibeau> very respectable size :)
19:03:54 <jimhap> Not UPXed?
19:04:03 <ZachThibeau> upx'd included
19:04:45 <jimhap> I'm not good at C++, so I'll just stick to Python and shrink the binary. :)
19:05:19 <ZachThibeau> O_O I did this to a svn compile of visualboyadvance-m and wow it's executing faster :D
19:05:50 <ZachThibeau> and this is a visual studio compiled exe :P
19:07:09 <jimhap> The strip command is wonderful. :)
19:07:14 <ZachThibeau> yes it is :)
19:07:26 <ZachThibeau> especially in unison with upx :)
19:07:39 <jimhap> If you build wxWidgets by hand (or GTK), by default they ALWAYS strip. No UPX though. :)
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19:10:44 <ZachThibeau> speaking of which I need to finish a front end to the vba-m sdl binary for qwertymodo, I'm doing the front end as the mfc version is highly dependant on directx dlls that not all systems will have included
19:12:06 <ZachThibeau> yeah I'm a fan of WxWidgets :) I love the fact every app I code with it (using only the generic components in the library) will be compilable in most operating systems without change :)
19:12:43 <jimhap> True. :) (And why DirectX? OpenGL is better! :) )
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19:13:27 <jimhap> Actually, OpenGL stuff dies alot if the GFX card doesn't have a GL command. :P
19:13:29 <ZachThibeau> well it supports opengl but the project still requires directx installed if you want to even just run it
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19:13:53 <jimhap> That's not good - it's one way or another.
19:14:47 <ZachThibeau> yeah but thankfully they have an sdl binary that compiles on linux and windows that uses only opengl but there isn't really much of a front end to it so I'm making one for the developer of vba-mportable
19:15:47 <ZachThibeau> oddly enough though >_< I'm on the vba-m team
19:15:59 <ZachThibeau> not a dev though more or less forum administration
19:18:05 <ZachThibeau> though I have thought about porting vba-m to wxwidgets to give it a universal gui that supports major operating systems
19:27:03 <jimhap> What's your email address? I'm about to jump ship, and I won't be back for a week.
19:28:00 <ZachThibeau> mine is zachary.thibeau@gmail.com
19:29:10 <jimhap> OK. Mine: jimmyhappyi@gmail.com :)
19:29:30 <ZachThibeau> cool
19:29:41 <ZachThibeau> just added you
19:30:32 <jimhap> And btw, I mean like not back to this IRC, since my laptop at home is rendering some 3D scenes, and I can't touch it. :P
19:30:45 <ZachThibeau> np
19:30:55 <Chazz> and now, both of your emails have been engraved into the portableapps logs forever...
19:30:58 <ZachThibeau> good thing I have 4 computers :P
19:31:06 <ZachThibeau> Chazz: not the first time for me :P
19:31:12 <Chazz> lol
19:31:15 <jimhap> Logs? Ahh! ;)
19:31:18 <Chazz> nice :P
19:31:27 <jimhap> Hopefully I don't get any spam... :)
19:31:36 <jnw222> lol
19:31:52 <jnw222> into the pa.c logs FOREVER
19:32:03 <jimhap> Oh well, it won't make a difference anyway, 1,500 spam mails this month.
19:32:08 <Chazz> wow...
19:32:41 <jimhap> I will probably start by DDoSing those spambots :P
19:33:00 <jnw222> wow i only get 700 spam messages a MONTH
19:33:02 <jimhap> @Zach: Are those PCs fast?
19:33:11 <jimhap> That USED to be my number.
19:33:19 <jimhap> Then things suddenly got bigger. :P
19:33:34 <ZachThibeau> jimhap: they are decent enough, 2gigs on my laptop and 1 gig on each laptop all cpus at 2ghz each
19:34:05 <jimhap> Wow..... can I steal some CPU time?
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19:34:37 <jimhap> My laptop is the best in the house - 1Ghz, Intel Celeron.
19:35:02 <ZachThibeau> no sorry :P got stuff running on them like a couple of servers (1 of them being a game server for halo)
19:35:32 <jimhap> Which one _isn't_ a server?
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19:35:44 <ZachThibeau> uhmm... just about everyone of them >_<
19:35:58 <jimhap> Oh well, no free rendering for me. ;)
19:36:03 <ZachThibeau> lol
19:36:19 <ZachThibeau> jimhap: excid3 is the creator of keryx btw
19:36:27 <excid3> :D
19:36:33 <jimhap> Hi. :)
19:36:41 <jimhap> You obviously use Ubuntu, right?
19:36:53 <excid3> For sure
19:37:04 <ZachThibeau> mine is heavily modded, :D
19:37:12 <ZachThibeau> custom kernel, libraries, the works :)
19:37:19 <jimhap> Moi? Junked. ;)
19:37:31 <ZachThibeau> my claim to fame is I should of been a gentoo user
19:37:36 <Chazz> ...
19:37:45 <jimhap> Gentoo = :P
19:37:45 <excid3> haha
19:37:47 <excid3> fail
19:38:06 <jimhap> Ubuntu is the best! (Rendering at home is going on there.)
19:38:20 <Chazz> BackTrack! FTW!
19:38:26 <ZachThibeau> yeah ubuntu install is more like gentobuntu :P
19:38:44 <jimhap> Gentoo has too many bugs, and sometimes you will wake up, and your computer won't start X anymore. :)
19:38:45 <ZachThibeau> my install I mean >_<
19:39:10 <excid3> plus gentoo's wiki is crap
19:39:18 <ZachThibeau> I'm actually thinking of compiling my own linux from scratch
19:39:21 <excid3> ubuntu's is pretty crappy outdated too now that i think about it
19:39:22 <jimhap> Ubuntu works on an unstable respritory, but at least they check, not take SVN or CVS builds and toss it into their respritory.
19:39:42 <excid3> ive had a few problems with ubuntu lately
19:39:50 <excid3> show stoppers :(
19:40:00 <jimhap> @Zach: LFS is not for me. If you want to make your own live CD, try Puppy Linux.
19:40:14 <jimhap> What kind?
19:40:17 <jimhap> 3D stuff?
19:40:27 <jimhap> My intel looks dead on Ubuntu 9.04.
19:40:34 <jimhap> (GFX Card)
19:40:40 <excid3> intel driver for my eee pc is ridiculously slow and no fixes worked for me
19:40:42 <ZachThibeau> jimhap: I'm not a fan of puppy linux :P
19:40:43 <excid3> yeah
19:41:04 <jimhap> Why not Puppy? :)
19:41:05 <excid3> and my desktop freezes a lot (turns out its a problem with my onboard graphics in my mobo on the desktop)
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19:41:14 <ZachThibeau> I need my gnome :D
19:41:20 <jimhap> @excid3: Not that bad. :)
19:41:31 * ZachThibeau <3 gnome
19:41:31 <jimhap> My intel works - Compiz lives. :)
19:41:56 <JohnTHaller> Ok, back from lunch.
19:42:06 <ZachThibeau> awesome :)
19:42:13 <JohnTHaller> SourceForge posted videos from the CCA awards :-) https://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/
19:42:15 <jnw222> awesome
19:42:21 <ZachThibeau> :O
19:42:28 <Chazz> cool!
19:42:31 <jnw222> totaly awesome
19:42:36 <jimhap> Wow. :)
19:43:02 <ZachThibeau> btw JohnTHaller I heard in one of those videos you thanked the Zach's (IIRC as I heard from Gizmokid2005) would the be true
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19:43:22 <JohnTHaller> You can see us win Most Likely to Change..., Best Visual Design, Best Commercial Open Source Project and Best Project. I'm interviewed during Best Tool or Utility for SysAdmins, Best New Project and Best Project
19:43:32 <jnw222> lol
19:43:38 <jnw222> long list YAY
19:43:38 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Yup. During Best Project at the end.
19:43:41 <Chazz> woo!
19:43:41 <ZachThibeau> :D
19:43:58 * ZachThibeau watches video
19:44:25 * jnw222 attempts to watch video (without my speakers)
19:44:41 <ZachThibeau> >_<
19:45:11 <jnw222> with a framerate of like 2 or 3
19:45:20 <ZachThibeau> lol excid3 the last video on the link John gave praises python over ruby
19:45:25 <jnw222> lol
19:45:38 <excid3> :D
19:45:52 <jnw222> :
19:45:52 <jnw222> opps :|
19:45:52 <Chazz> Perl! FTW!
19:45:52 <excid3> that would be a correct praise ;)
19:46:49 <jimhap> Ruby really has a low userbase.
19:47:02 <jimhap> Python? A LOT! :) It's even integrated into GNOME!
19:47:15 <jnw222> yep
19:47:56 <jimhap> random question: anybody have a 64 bit computer?
19:48:30 <jnw222> nope
19:48:32 <jnw222> not me
19:48:40 <jnw222> i plan to get one soon
19:49:14 <ZachThibeau> I have 2 but they run 32bit os
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19:50:17 <Chazz> jimhap, ya, but i ru 32 bit os
19:51:12 <jimhap> Awww.... I was hoping SOMEBODY could build a 64 bit version of my game. :)
19:52:14 <ZachThibeau> yeah I have bad experiences with 64bit os's :P
19:52:43 <ZachThibeau> :D I heard the zach's :D
19:52:49 <ZachThibeau> I feel famous now :D
19:53:18 <ZachThibeau> btw JohnTHaller nice PortableApps.com shirt :P
19:54:36 <jimhap> stupid bot :P
19:56:26 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Thanks. Had it made just for OSCON. 50 bucks. But I think it was worth it.
19:56:59 <ZachThibeau> nice
19:57:55 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005|AFK: http://portableapps.com/node/19953#comment-124910
19:59:39 <jimhap> Maybe I'll package my game for PortableApps :)
20:00:00 <ZachThibeau> nice :)
20:01:23 <jimhap> It's easy, right? Just use the NSIS template?
20:02:41 <ZachThibeau> well as long as you know where the data saves it too etc and know where (if any) the registry settings are set then yes :) you can actually take an existing code script from say 7-ZipPortable and use that as a guide
20:03:52 <jimhap> No. Blender doesn't use the registry... I hope. :)
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20:09:35 <pa_1916> question
20:09:55 <pa_1916> are there any wikis that have already been built for portableapps?
20:11:32 <JacobMastel> Not to my knowledge
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20:11:47 <JacobMastel> We have information on the site about how to use the apps and the menu.
20:13:09 <pa_1916> OK. I have been looking around the site for about an hour and I have not seen the instructions on how to do something like this. It is very possible I overlooked it. :)
20:14:31 <jimhap> Well, gtg, jumping ship! :)
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20:18:38 <pa_1916> got to go
20:18:41 <pa_1916> bye
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20:36:05 <JohnTHaller> aw, he left
20:36:16 <JohnTHaller> XAMPP works with our platform and you can install any standard WIKI into it
20:36:25 <JohnTHaller> You can also use tiddlywiki directly with Firefox Portable
20:36:31 <JohnTHaller> In case someone else asks
20:37:16 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, i think he meant, did PA.c have a wiki
20:41:06 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> ZachThibeau: thanks for the comment :)
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20:41:13 <ZachThibeau> np :)
20:41:25 <Gizmokid2005> no issues that you saw then?
20:42:06 <ZachThibeau> no issue of yet and I bashed the thing with addons too
20:45:29 <Gizmokid2005> that's good to hear :)
20:45:35 <Gizmokid2005> different drive letters then I assume?
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20:57:42 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005: yup and sorry for not responding :P
20:57:49 <Gizmokid2005> its ok :)
20:57:53 <Gizmokid2005> that's where my issue was
20:57:59 <Gizmokid2005> nothing left behind either...makes me very happy :)
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21:07:56 <Chazz> hey sar3th
21:08:07 <sar3th> hey Chazz
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22:01:31 <pa_2178> can you make http://sandboxgamemaker.com/ portable
22:02:34 <Gizmokid2005> pa_2178: you'd have to check the license
22:02:41 <Gizmokid2005> and then post a request in the request apps forum on the site.
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23:25:53 <pa_9487> hi trying to d/l protable firefox. all mirrors say "file not found"
23:26:07 <ZachThibeau> could be a sourceforge.net mirror issue again
23:26:34 <pa_9487> went directly to sourceforge. serached for ff. clicked 'view all files' but file list is empty.
23:26:44 <ZachThibeau> try this http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/portableapps/Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Ed./Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Edition%203.5.2/FirefoxPortable_3.5.2_English.paf.exe?use_mirror=iweb
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23:27:29 <pa_9487> trying that now - thanx
23:27:36 <pa_9487> same result "file could not be found or is not available"
23:28:05 <ZachThibeau> hmm give it about an hour or so and try again they maybe working at that time
23:28:13 <pa_9487> does sourceforge have lots of problems? always thought of them as quite stable
23:28:27 <pa_9487> ok - will try later -- many thanx
23:28:54 <pa_9487> bye now
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23:35:24 <ZachThibeau> I think PortableApps.com should have a podcast
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