IRC Log from 2009-08-13

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00:09:42 <PatrickPatience> Apologize for that slew of connects and disconnects. :-/
00:09:51 <PatrickPatience> *I apologize...
00:10:14 <Gizmokid2005> I was going to ask you wahts up with that PatrickPatience
00:10:31 <ZachThibeau> howdy PatrickPatience :)
00:10:57 <Chazz> wow... peer rly hates patrick :/
00:13:33 <PatrickPatience> Yo.
00:15:00 <ZachThibeau> PatrickPatience: I finally got Windows 7 Professional :D
00:15:09 <ZachThibeau> from msdn :D
00:18:17 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, jw, y didn't u go w/ ultimate?
00:19:08 <ZachThibeau> thats because Chazz Utlimate is too much for what I needed
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00:19:16 <Chazz> ah
00:19:18 <ZachThibeau> Pro is just perfect for me :)
00:19:25 <Chazz> nice :)
00:28:45 <Bensawsome> ZachThibeau its never too much to have it all :3
00:28:46 <Bensawsome> lol
00:29:18 <ZachThibeau> Bensawsome: I go for need not want ;)
00:30:24 <Chazz> of course, when u can get what you want using the same amount of resorces as need... ;)
00:30:29 <Bensawsome> lol
00:31:03 <Bensawsome> OH SrgSiler|sAFK!
00:31:06 <Bensawsome> movie times
00:31:10 <SrgSiler|sAFK> nom
00:31:10 <Bensawsome> oh wrong channel
00:31:13 <Chazz> lol
00:31:48 <ZachThibeau> wow... is this guy serious http://portableapps.com/node/20336
00:33:31 <Chazz> sadly, he probally is :/
00:34:49 <Scriptdaemon> *Facepalm*
00:34:50 <ZachThibeau> I feel like saying Internet Explorer changed it's name to Mozilla Firefox and see what he says >_<
00:34:56 <Chazz> lol
00:35:39 <Chazz> someone tell him to search first cause it's been requested before
00:36:03 <ZachThibeau> I don't feel like it as I'm afraid I might slip up and say something I'll regret saying
00:38:31 <ZachThibeau> oh my land O_O I love foxtab
00:38:39 <ve4jhj> i'll politely tell him
00:38:40 * Chazz posts
00:38:45 <Chazz> ve4jhj, i got it
00:38:51 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, whats foxtab?
00:39:03 <ZachThibeau> it's an extention for firefox :D
00:39:06 <ve4jhj> k, never mind then
00:39:24 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, ok then... :P
00:39:27 <ZachThibeau> it's like the aero tab thing on vista but for firefox
00:43:49 <Chazz> cool!
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01:21:53 <pa_5385> Sorry for being annoying but can someone give me a link on how to make a theme for the PortableApps Platform 2.0 Beta
01:23:33 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5385: no
01:23:38 <Gizmokid2005> because there are no set rules yet.
01:23:59 <Gizmokid2005> The developer, JohnTHaller, will have guidelines out when its time for them to be out.
01:24:17 <Gizmokid2005> right now, we wait until he's final with the platform and how he wants things to be.
01:25:31 <pa_5385> Ok, so the themes aren't official, but can I make them or no?
01:25:52 <Gizmokid2005> you can, but there are not guidelines out yet, and you aren't supposed to post them publicly
01:25:56 <Gizmokid2005> at least yet.
01:26:47 <pa_5385> Ok thanks for the help, and bye
01:26:59 <Gizmokid2005> see ya pa_5385, you're welcome
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04:02:32 <pa_6196> hi
04:02:44 <pa_6196> how to uninstall thunderbird portable??
04:05:04 <Chazz> pa_6196, go to X:\PortableApps and delete the Thunderbird folder
04:05:21 <pa_6196> oh
04:05:29 <pa_6196> cool
04:05:32 <pa_6196> its so simple haha
04:05:33 <pa_6196> thanks
04:05:40 <Chazz> yup, yw :)
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04:31:29 <Chazz> Woo! 65 Downloads! :D
04:34:49 <Whibo> :D
04:34:59 <Whibo> of thunderbird?
04:35:03 <Chazz> No! :P
04:35:11 <Whibo> of what?
04:35:11 <Chazz> Bash Portable! :D
04:35:15 <Whibo> :D
04:35:18 <Chazz> :D:D:D
04:35:25 <Whibo> gonna try tomorrow
04:35:28 <Whibo> :D
04:35:32 <Chazz> yay :D
04:35:38 <Whibo> :D
04:35:54 <Whibo> smile party
04:35:56 <Whibo> :P
04:35:59 <Chazz> :D
04:36:02 <Chazz> -ot tiem
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08:41:27 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
08:42:02 <Chazz> morning ChrisMorgan
08:42:09 <Chazz> erm
08:42:12 <ChrisMorgan> Evening Chazz
08:42:12 <Chazz> afternoon
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09:38:03 <ChrisMorgan> I think I rank http://portableapps.com/node/20337 as spam.
09:38:13 <ChrisMorgan> And by implication http://portableapps.com/user/121804
09:38:47 <Chazz> ya, i agree
09:39:35 <ChrisMorgan> c.f. http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22Helpful:How+to+backup+sms+from+your+HTC+to+pc%22
09:46:07 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, what does cf stand for?
09:46:15 <ChrisMorgan> .wik c.f.
09:46:15 <GizmoBot> "cf. is an abbreviation for the Latin-derived (but also modern English) word confer, meaning 'compare' or 'consult', and is hence used to refer to other material or ideas which may provide contrasting information or arguments." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.f.
09:46:23 <Chazz> oh, ok
09:51:30 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, are you a forum mod?
09:51:41 <ChrisMorgan> No.
09:51:49 <Chazz> darn :/
09:54:21 <Chazz> well, in the hopes some mod reads the logs, i think something should be done with http://portableapps.com/node/20090#comment-125394 because of the fact that it's more of a complaint than a helpful responce (And isn't helpful in any way whatsoever)
09:55:00 <ChrisMorgan> Most of his comments would be removed if we really went that way...
09:55:19 <ChrisMorgan> In fact, I'll just say all of them (with the /possible/ exception of one or two)
09:55:35 <Chazz> ya, good point
09:59:06 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I think I've come up with a fairly firm decision for the language and toolkit to use for Manta. PHP. You didn't see that coming for a desktop application, did you?
09:59:32 <Chazz> you're writing a desktop app in PHP?
09:59:39 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
09:59:56 <Chazz> nice!
10:00:01 <Chazz> Whats it gonna do?
10:00:16 <ChrisMorgan> For an overview, take a look at http://code.google.com/p/manta-server/
10:00:30 <ChrisMorgan> I mentioned PHP, but I didn't mention the GTK part of it :P
10:00:38 <Chazz> heh
10:01:44 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, thats ingenious!
10:02:17 <ChrisMorgan> I looked at C++/Qt, PyQt, PHP-Qt (doesn't seem to have gone far, no binaries, couldn't get it to compile within 10 minutes so I gave up), wxPython, wxPHP (never gone far), PHP/WinBinder (Windows only, I really want it cross-platform, and it's got some serious issues with it as well as having fallen by the wayside), and last of all...
10:02:19 <ChrisMorgan> PHP-GTK.
10:02:27 <ChrisMorgan> And I'm not looking back.
10:02:38 <Chazz> wow...
10:02:56 <ChrisMorgan> I was prefering PHP to Python anyhow as PHP will be more commonly used in a web server environment.
10:03:00 <Chazz> what, never even gave Perl a chance! :o
10:03:09 <ChrisMorgan> No, s'pose I didn't.
10:03:10 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well.
10:03:22 <ChrisMorgan> No loss.
10:03:26 * Chazz <3 Perl
10:03:58 * Chazz votes you shld code it in WhiteSpace :P
10:04:38 <ChrisMorgan> :O
10:05:11 <Chazz> well, when printing out the source code, whitespace would sure save on ink costs :P
10:05:22 <ChrisMorgan> ...
10:06:28 * Chazz tried learning whitespace once, got tired oh having to highlight to see what was what, and switched to Perl
10:13:44 <ChrisMorgan> In http://portableapps.com/node/20340 jamcomm has stepped over the line. I vote that a mod just delete it as vexatious (or something more)
10:14:50 <Chazz> wow... why hasnt anyone banned him yet?
10:14:57 <ChrisMorgan> Much too patient.
10:15:10 * Chazz votes with Chris
10:16:03 <Chazz> also, FFP doesnt stuff everything into memory, does it?
10:16:12 <ChrisMorgan> No.
10:16:16 <ChrisMorgan> Otherwise it'd be faster.
10:16:27 <Chazz> oh
10:16:48 <ChrisMorgan> Provided the machine had 50-100MB more memory free, that is.
10:17:52 <Chazz> ya :/
10:19:19 <Chazz> I also vote that a mod remove this post being more spam/self promotion than anything else: http://portableapps.com/node/20090#comment-125398
10:20:16 <Chazz> and/or here: http://portableapps.com/node/20090#comment-125397 cause it's just a semireworded double post
10:21:09 <ChrisMorgan> As well as being obnoxious, he's just plain ignorant.
10:21:21 <ChrisMorgan> We have bigger apps which are faster.
10:21:42 <Chazz> ya
10:22:08 <ChrisMorgan> For example, Inkscape is not 22MB, it's about 150MB (or compare 77 to 200 with languages): yet it's faster to start.
10:22:12 <ChrisMorgan> There's less it needs to start.
10:22:43 <Chazz> wow inkscape is big!
10:22:48 <Chazz> but ya, very true
10:22:51 <ChrisMorgan> It is fairly.
10:22:55 <ChrisMorgan> But worth it.
10:23:07 <ChrisMorgan> Worth its weight in megabytes to use an expression I used some time ago...
10:23:16 <ChrisMorgan> Blender likewise.
10:23:16 <Chazz> ya, true :)
10:24:23 <Chazz> and, on every Windows OS except for 7, firefox was slow starting up locally. Add the fact that your running from a flash drive, and 1 minute is senseble
10:24:56 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: on a fresh XP-7 machine after first launch I'd expect Firefox to start up within 5 seconds.
10:25:05 <ChrisMorgan> On a new machine that is
10:25:25 <Chazz> well, it cirtanly does that on 7
10:25:32 <Chazz> didnt on Vista
10:25:41 <ChrisMorgan> After a few launches it should.
10:25:54 <ChrisMorgan> So long as the machine isn't busy doing something else.
10:25:54 <ChrisMorgan> One second is more realistic.
10:26:00 <Chazz> rly?
10:26:06 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
10:26:12 <Chazz> huh
10:26:29 <Chazz> Woo! I win the 'I failed at making Firefox work' award! :P
10:26:46 <ChrisMorgan> If a new machine which has had Firefox run a couple of times, and has nothing running at the time, it should start in about a second or less.
10:27:10 <Chazz> oh :/
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10:28:12 <Horusofoz> Hey Guys :)
10:28:18 <Chazz> ok, i just read this comment, and heres another one for the mods http://portableapps.com/node/20090#comment-125396
10:28:21 <Chazz> hey Horusofoz
10:28:25 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Horusofozez :-)
10:29:12 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I just pretty much vote to eradicate all posts by him, even if it does make a slight hole in one or two places
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10:29:45 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, I agree
10:29:48 <Horusofoz> Now I hope this isn't interpreted as Jamcomm bashing but I was coming to bring this to the mods attention - http://portableapps.com/node/20340
10:30:11 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: that's what we've been doing for the past 20 minutes.
10:30:18 <ChrisMorgan> I mentioned that first, that started it...
10:30:31 <ChrisMorgan> Feel free to do some jamcomm-bashing. You're welcome to.
10:30:37 <Chazz> ya :)
10:30:51 <ChrisMorgan> Welcome anyway :P
10:30:56 <Chazz> btw, in http://portableapps.com/node/20090#comment-125396 he also swore
10:31:18 <Chazz> and italisized it
10:31:30 <Horusofoz> This in combination with his previous aggressive and sometimes outright unaccpetable behaviour I too vote for jamcomm to be given a temp ban combined with a very stern warning
10:32:12 <ChrisMorgan> I think that the time he complained about something he wasn't doing right in the platform, and moaning about why "those schmuks couldn't do better" was much worse.
10:33:05 <Horusofoz> I recall previously discussing with Chazz another instance of non-abbreviated swearing for which he received a warning I think from Steve Lamerton. He seem to have abbreviated it in WTF but still its unacceptable IMO
10:33:30 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely... and no real reason to repeat it either...
10:33:42 <Chazz> Horusofoz, actually, in the one i was pointing out today, he said a cirtain 4 letter word that starts with H
10:34:05 <Chazz> but ya, WTF was uncalled for
10:34:08 <ChrisMorgan> And personally I also think that "schmuck" would be better applied to him than to us:
10:34:12 <ChrisMorgan> .wik schmuck
10:34:13 <GizmoBot> "Schmuck (pejorative), an insulting term for a stupid person or dimwitted fool or an unwanted guest" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck
10:34:42 <Horusofoz> Chazz: Oh yeah your right I saw that. Forgive me that's not considered a cuss in my area though I now recall that it is among other
10:35:05 <ChrisMorgan> It and the messy red stuff are two of the most abused ones in Australia.
10:35:13 <Chazz> ya, that words sorta on the in between cuss and notcuss
10:35:30 <ChrisMorgan> Then there was that extremely controversial official Australian tourism slogan...
10:35:36 <Horusofoz> lol
10:35:38 <ChrisMorgan> So where the ** ** are you?
10:35:58 <ChrisMorgan> I really don't see why they did it... at least they finally got rid of it.
10:36:32 <Horusofoz> I thought it was a joke when that first came out. Though I am not offended by the wording I knew it wasn't an intelligent way to market the nation
10:37:33 <Horusofoz> Anyway back to topic - On the previous cuss inclusive post he was outright aggressive to the poster from memory
10:37:48 <ChrisMorgan> He always is.
10:38:27 <Chazz> ya, that sounds about right :/
10:38:38 <ChrisMorgan> He's worked up quite a record for two weeks and five days of membership.
10:38:38 <Horusofoz> This is the one - http://portableapps.com/node/20137
10:39:17 <Horusofoz> Oh and this is the censored version of course
10:39:21 <Chazz> yup
10:39:36 * Chazz remembers the full version *bleh*
10:39:49 <Horusofoz> Note the original poster hasn't posted since*
10:39:50 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, he's onyly been here 2w 5d?
10:39:54 <Chazz> *only
10:40:03 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: look at the user page...
10:40:22 <Chazz> oh wow...
10:40:25 <Chazz> your right
10:41:21 <ChrisMorgan> I was surprised by it too... I would have said 4-5 weeks
10:41:33 <Chazz> ya, thats what i thought
10:41:36 <ChrisMorgan> If I'd been Steve I would have just straight deleted that comment.
10:41:57 <Chazz> ya, same here :/
10:42:07 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, this talk is stopping me working on Manta, my desktop application written in PHP :D
10:42:19 <Horusofoz> oh cool
10:42:25 <Chazz> woo!
10:42:43 <ChrisMorgan> PHP5 and PHP-GTK is only about 8MB with UPX applied.
10:42:59 <Chazz> wow...
10:43:03 <Horusofoz> Any suggestions from anyone where and how much it would for a cheap netbook to experminet with Ubuntu on?
10:43:26 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: the Acer Aspires are about the cheapest in Australia and they're quite good.
10:43:30 <ChrisMorgan> 10"?
10:43:40 <Horusofoz> Anysize really
10:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> 7"?
10:43:58 <Horusofoz> yeah
10:44:11 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I'd recommend 10" only. 7" and 8" are just too small.
10:44:38 <Horusofoz> K I'll keep that in mind
10:45:27 <ChrisMorgan> http://staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=acer+aspire+one+price:201.. (<= 200 are all DVD drives, batteries, cases etc.)
10:45:28 <Horusofoz> woah gtg brb (Dinner burning :o)
10:45:41 <ChrisMorgan> $339 for the cheapest one (8.9", NSW)
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10:47:47 <ChrisMorgan> s/339/379/ (old listing)
10:48:02 <ChrisMorgan> And thus 375 from anypc
10:48:30 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, will manta have support for the stuff in the common files folder when used w/ PA.c?
10:48:38 <ChrisMorgan> Also with the 10" model you get 160GB instead of 120GB, and a 6-cell battery instead of 3-cell
10:48:50 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: anything I think worthwhile, I'll do.
10:48:59 <Chazz> wonderful!
10:49:19 <ChrisMorgan> Thus it's likely to be able to cope with a CommonFiles Java, and others if we do them in CommonFiles.
10:49:32 <Chazz> ya, i know that the
10:49:49 <Chazz> Python Portable someone released uses the Common Files folder
10:50:00 <ChrisMorgan> No
10:50:15 <Chazz> well, one of them does
10:50:47 <ChrisMorgan> None that I'm aware of. Python Portable (Taffin) doesn't and Portable Python (portablepython.com) definitely doesn't
10:51:33 <Chazz> huh, must be thinking of something else :/
10:51:38 <ChrisMorgan> Think so.
10:51:42 <ChrisMorgan> Java is the only thing in CommonFiles.
10:51:46 <Chazz> ah
10:52:05 <Chazz> and, Perl's gonna be commonfiles too when i get it into beta
10:52:18 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... did John say so?
10:52:38 <Chazz> actually, havn't talked w/ john yet
10:52:40 <ChrisMorgan> I may lobby to move MSVCRT 60 and 71 and GDI+ to CommonFiles\DLLs or something like that at some point when we've got the generic launcher
10:52:49 <ChrisMorgan> I doubt it will then.
10:52:54 <ChrisMorgan> s/will/should/
10:52:59 <Chazz> why don't you think so?
10:53:05 <ChrisMorgan> Benefit?
10:53:22 <Chazz> having 1 location for the binaries ?
10:53:35 <ChrisMorgan> But what else would use them?
10:53:39 <Chazz> what's the point of Java in commonfiles
10:53:42 <ChrisMorgan> That's the nub of it.
10:53:46 <Chazz> and, anything that uses Perl
10:53:54 <ChrisMorgan> It's enormous and lots of apps use it.
10:54:02 <ChrisMorgan> Perl is small and isn't used by many things.
10:54:05 <Chazz> :/
10:54:39 <Chazz> ya, but it would be a nice developer tool :/
10:54:59 <ChrisMorgan> How so?
10:55:25 <Chazz> because you'd be able to test your Perl apps
10:55:36 <ChrisMorgan> You could anyway.
10:55:41 <ChrisMorgan> What does it matter where it is?
10:55:41 <Chazz> how?
10:55:53 <Chazz> ph, good point
10:55:57 <Chazz> *oh
10:56:45 <Chazz> because it would be easier to find everything if it was all in one location
10:56:59 <ChrisMorgan> It will be - PerlPortable\App\Perl :P
10:57:19 <Chazz> heh :P good point
10:57:54 <Chazz> because it's less work for the Perl Portable dev if he can just reuse most of the origianal Perl Portable's launcher :P
10:59:43 <Chazz> also, ChrisMorgan wouldn't this need to install drivers http://portableapps.com/node/20112
11:00:13 <ChrisMorgan> It does.
11:00:50 <ChrisMorgan> And yes, that's another pesky post by jamcomm... if the original author wants to promote it here, feel free, but he shouldn't do it as he has done.
11:01:14 <Chazz> ya, good point on that too :/
11:01:41 <Chazz> but, in that case, this post http://portableapps.com/node/9883#comment-124133 is either misleading, wrong, or something, but is quite not true
11:01:43 <ChrisMorgan> You seem to like :/ :/
11:02:20 <ChrisMorgan> I think you meant http://portableapps.com/node/9883?page=2#comment-124133
11:02:26 <Chazz> lol, ya :/ :/ is easier to type than most other smilies (And i like smilies)
11:02:48 <Chazz> erm, yes, that
11:03:07 <ChrisMorgan> He missed the fact that there is TC-Explorer for TrueCrypt which is driverless.
11:03:15 <Chazz> oh
11:04:38 <Chazz> hmm... ya, tc-explorer would work quite well there
11:06:19 <Horusofoz> And I'm back :)
11:06:27 <Chazz> wb Horusofoz
11:07:09 <Horusofoz> aww shucks thanks :-[ :p
11:07:29 <Chazz> and, ya know, perhaps the reason the origianal author of that program jamcom posted didn't post was because it's not PA.c complient >:(
11:07:45 <ChrisMorgan> It claims to be in the PortableApps.com Format.
11:08:18 <Chazz> yes, but it's not GPL/GPL compatible
11:08:50 <Chazz> so, by FSF's standards, not properly OSS
11:09:07 <ChrisMorgan> R
11:09:31 <Chazz> R?
11:09:59 <ChrisMorgan> Some say "ah", I decided to lengthen the last bit and make it R :P
11:10:09 <Chazz> ah, lol
11:10:30 * Chazz thought it was National Talk Like a Pirate day down there :P
11:12:39 <Chazz> so, ChrisMorgan, what do we do with agienst the rules beta tests?
11:13:09 <ChrisMorgan> Could you please rephrase that so I stand a better chance of being able to parse it successfully?
11:13:16 <ChrisMorgan> Precis: huh?
11:14:11 <Chazz> what do we do with applications in the beta testing forum that are not to PA.c standards because of licensing of the application?
11:14:35 <ChrisMorgan> Test them if you feel like it...
11:17:06 <Chazz> more WTF's http://portableapps.com/node/9726#comment-124000
11:17:16 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: no need, we know...
11:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> too much...
11:17:27 <Chazz> :/
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11:44:06 <Horusofoz> So anyone planning on getting a Samsung i7500?
11:44:24 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: Released in Oz next month :)
11:44:27 <ChrisMorgan> :/
11:45:13 <Horusofoz> :D
12:01:53 <ChrisMorgan> g'nite guys, I'm off.
12:02:03 <Chazz> night ChrisMorgan
12:02:21 <Horusofoz> nite ChrisMorgan
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14:21:30 <ZachThibeau> .seen SteveLamerton
14:21:31 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen stevelamerton around.
14:21:34 <ZachThibeau> :/
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14:47:48 <ZachThibeau> SteveLamerton: :D
14:47:54 <ZachThibeau> just the person I was looking for
14:48:00 <ZachThibeau> literally
14:48:07 <SteveLamerton> Heya ZachThibeau :)
14:48:35 <ZachThibeau> SteveLamerton: you remember the space issues on wxExecute and how to fix it?
14:48:47 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, just about ;)
14:49:17 <ZachThibeau> good because I made a frontend for ffmpeg2theora and my issue is the fact it doesn't like spaces in the filenames >_<
14:49:36 <SteveLamerton> Just quoting them doesn't help then?
14:50:05 <ZachThibeau> well this is what I have wxExecute(wxT("ffmpeg2theora-0.24.exe ") + WxOpenFileDialog1->GetPath() + wxT(" -o ") + WxSaveFileDialog1->GetPath());
14:50:32 <ZachThibeau> it works with filenames with no spaces but when it comes to spaces it spazes out
14:50:54 <SteveLamerton> Try this: wxExecute(wxT("ffmpeg2theora-0.24.exe \"") + WxOpenFileDialog1->GetPath() + wxT("\" -o \"") + WxSaveFileDialog1->GetPath()+ wxT("\""));
14:50:58 <ZachThibeau> and btw I got a msdn subscription :3 Windows 7 Pro RTM is what I am running now :D
14:51:12 <SteveLamerton> I was looking at them the other day, no way I can afford one :(
14:51:14 <ZachThibeau> and I just got Visual Studio 2008 as well :D
14:51:27 <ZachThibeau> SteveLamerton: I got my subscription for free :)
14:51:31 <ZachThibeau> bizspark ftw
14:52:05 <SteveLamerton> Ahhh ok :)
14:53:02 <ZachThibeau> thanks SteveLamerton :) I knew it was something like that but I put it in the wrong place
14:54:52 <SteveLamerton> No problem :) And oh dear, spam attack :(
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17:43:02 <ZachThibeau> anybody up to testing my front end for ffmpeg2theora converter program?
17:45:52 <ZachThibeau> ...
17:46:00 <ZachThibeau> it's Open-Source :B
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19:13:06 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
19:13:06 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
19:13:40 <TimClark> .
19:13:43 <TimClark> Please Note, Extensive critizims of members of the forums are not appropriate to this channel, they should at least be in -ot, since they are, or even better in pm. "Votes" are not being taken on such issues :/
19:14:25 <TimClark> Every person who was involved in the recent bate of criticisms has themselves posted things that were wrong or out of lines at times.
19:15:29 <Gizmokid2005> Hello TimClark. Good poitns.
19:15:33 <Gizmokid2005> *points even
19:15:52 <TimClark> my poitns are always good
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19:15:59 <Gizmokid2005> :P yep
19:16:00 <TimClark> my points usually are
19:16:05 <TimClark> :P
19:17:06 <TimClark> Of course it seems like the main "offenders" are not here to get the point :/
19:17:17 <Gizmokid2005> Nope, typically on at night.
19:20:02 * SergentSiler reads logs too see what u r talking about
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19:26:21 <TimClark> hello markomlm
19:26:50 <ZachThibeau> howdy TimClark and markomlm
19:27:21 <Gizmokid2005> hello markomlm
19:27:26 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005: seems the video tag doesn't like your server >_<
19:27:42 <markomlm> howdy TimClark ZachThibeau Gizmokid2005
19:27:44 <ZachThibeau> but I managed to access the audio tag for html 5 and it works :)
19:27:51 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: probably not
19:27:55 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not runnign PHP 5.3.0 yet
19:28:11 <ZachThibeau> TimClark: how are you doing?
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19:29:05 <TimClark> hello ZachThibeau , doing fine thank you
19:29:18 <ZachThibeau> thats great
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20:28:24 <Chazz> Good point TimClark :/
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20:49:25 <alpha1beta> hey guys
20:49:34 <Chazz> hey alpha1beta
20:49:34 <Gizmokid2005> hello alpha1beta
20:49:38 <Gizmokid2005> alpha1beta: try my SBP yet?? :D
20:49:45 <alpha1beta> SBP?
20:49:48 <alpha1beta> oh no
20:49:50 <Gizmokid2005> Songbird Portable :D
20:50:00 <Gizmokid2005> alpha1beta: http://portableapps.com/node/19953
20:50:04 <Gizmokid2005> i figured you'd be one of the first
20:50:17 <alpha1beta> I don't use portableaps anymore really, between and tablet and netbook I always bring something
20:51:12 <Gizmokid2005> awww
20:51:14 <Gizmokid2005> well dang :P
20:51:15 <alpha1beta> my usb only has like tools for work around blocks and that kind of stuff
20:51:33 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
20:51:33 <alpha1beta> I did see your post, you took over for Zach T?
20:51:48 <Gizmokid2005> yup
20:51:54 <Gizmokid2005> who took for for ryan
20:51:55 <Gizmokid2005> lol
20:51:56 <alpha1beta> who took over for ryan
20:51:59 <Gizmokid2005> yup
20:52:02 <Gizmokid2005> *over for
20:52:03 <alpha1beta> darn you beat me to it
20:52:03 <Gizmokid2005> lol
20:52:07 <Gizmokid2005> but I screwed up
20:52:13 <alpha1beta> lol
20:52:23 <alpha1beta> how is ryan, I haven't seen or heard from him in forever
20:52:30 <Gizmokid2005> don't know, same here
20:52:47 <alpha1beta> he's off gtalk, not tweeting and not making many posts
20:53:04 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, the only thing I can think of is vacation maybe
20:53:18 <alpha1beta> nah he should be in the middle of his school year
20:53:28 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, good point.
20:53:34 <Gizmokid2005> who knows, maybe busy with school
20:53:34 <Gizmokid2005> bbs
20:53:42 <alpha1beta> or he's slacking :P
20:57:00 <ZachThibeau> howdy alpha1beta
20:57:01 <ZachThibeau> :D
20:57:15 <alpha1beta> hey Zach :D
20:57:37 <ZachThibeau> I'm loving my msdn subscription :3
20:57:49 <alpha1beta> I would never pay blood money to M$
20:57:53 <ZachThibeau> I didn't ;)
20:57:57 <ZachThibeau> I got in for free
20:58:01 <alpha1beta> how
20:58:04 <ZachThibeau> Bizspark program
20:58:13 <ZachThibeau> sort of like DreamSpark
20:58:13 <Chazz> ^_^
20:58:17 <ZachThibeau> but for Businesses
20:58:42 <alpha1beta> pay for that?
20:58:48 <ZachThibeau> free :D
20:58:50 <ZachThibeau> for me
20:58:54 <ZachThibeau> ask Chazz for details
20:59:02 <Chazz> :D
20:59:16 <ZachThibeau> I got Windows 7 Pro RTM :D
20:59:22 <alpha1beta> chazz, details please?
20:59:31 <ZachThibeau> Whibo got Windows 3.2 >_<
20:59:37 <Chazz> lol
20:59:37 <alpha1beta> Ya told me that, I got an ISO somewhere but I need to test it yet
20:59:44 <alpha1beta> Windows 3.2?
20:59:47 <alpha1beta> wth
21:00:01 <ZachThibeau> very old 16bit OS :P
21:00:09 <Chazz> alpha1beta, for startup buisnesses, they can apply for bizspark and if accepted, they get 3 years of free msdn
21:00:32 <ZachThibeau> I'm going to try and start a small Software firm :)
21:00:36 <alpha1beta> Chazz, thanks, might be good to know someday, but I perfer to hide from the empire
21:00:43 <Chazz> heh
21:01:00 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, if you do, wait till 3 years from now :P
21:01:06 <ZachThibeau> lol
21:02:51 <Whibo> damn 3.2 is chinese only :/
21:03:01 <alpha1beta> haha
21:03:03 <alpha1beta> nice
21:03:14 <Chazz> lol
21:03:24 <Chazz> nice Whibo
21:03:35 <Whibo> lol
21:04:06 <Whibo> no windows 2000 :(
21:04:10 <Whibo> :P
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21:04:40 <Chazz> lol, ya :P
21:07:12 <alpha1beta> bbl guys
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21:08:48 <ZachThibeau> Whibo: no windows 98 or 95, me, nt
21:09:40 <Chazz> so, none of the boring ones :P
21:10:40 <SergentSiler> 2000 was awsome D:<
21:11:05 <Chazz> SergentSiler, XP was better :P
21:11:16 <SergentSiler> in some aspects yes and some no
21:11:53 <Chazz> how was 2k better than xp?
21:12:08 <SergentSiler> well wmp was integrated into explorer for one :P
21:12:21 <Chazz> :o
21:12:22 <SergentSiler> click once on an mp3 and u could play it just from the sidebar
21:12:49 <Chazz> :O
21:12:51 <SergentSiler> it could also run in 32 mb of ram
21:13:02 <Chazz> so cld xp :/
21:13:04 <Chazz> i think
21:13:05 <SergentSiler> no
21:13:11 <Chazz> oh :/
21:13:14 <SergentSiler> xp requires 64
21:13:20 <SergentSiler> and it runs like crap in 64 megs
21:13:21 <Chazz> oh ya :/
21:13:32 <SergentSiler> 2000 actually preformed decently in 32
21:13:51 <Chazz> o
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21:14:19 <Chazz> Hello pa_2267
21:14:33 <pa_2267> can you make FormatFactory 2.00 portable
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21:57:24 <Chazz> Good morning ChrisMorgan
21:57:46 <ChrisMorgan> Good afternoon/evening Chazz
21:58:03 <Chazz> up early today?
21:58:21 <ChrisMorgan> 8:10AM - that's not particularly early.
21:58:28 <ChrisMorgan> I get to stay home from school today :D
21:58:42 <Chazz> Nice!
21:58:45 <Chazz> Why?
21:59:57 <ChrisMorgan> Well it's called "Combined Schools Day of Worship", an event for all SDA schools in metro/rural Melbourne (four), running all day this year... and it's 'orrible... and mum and dad have permitted us to skip it this year :D
22:00:10 <ChrisMorgan> All noise and similar
22:00:43 <Chazz> oh
22:13:56 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
22:14:08 <ChrisMorgan> howdy ZachThibeau
22:14:27 <ZachThibeau> man I love bismark :)
22:14:32 <ZachThibeau> Bizmark I mean >_<
22:14:43 <ZachThibeau> ARGGH BizSpark
22:14:48 <Chazz> lol
22:14:49 <ZachThibeau> I can't think this afternoon
22:14:58 <ChrisMorgan> Ah... I finally understand what you're meaning :P
22:15:13 <ChrisMorgan> So, what venture have you got that makes you eligible for BizSpark?
22:15:24 * Chazz
22:15:26 <ZachThibeau> yup
22:15:40 <ZachThibeau> Chazz sent me the invite
22:15:48 <ChrisMorgan> ?
22:16:00 <ZachThibeau> but I'm hoping to maybe start a Software company someday
22:16:13 <ChrisMorgan> It's not an invitation-based thing - it's for start-up businesses.
22:16:15 <ZachThibeau> yeah Chazz got in somehow and could send invites to people :)
22:16:17 <ChrisMorgan> For the first three years.
22:16:20 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, once someone gets registered for bizspark they can add up to 24 people to their group
22:16:32 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: you shouldn't be unless they're doing something for whatever you're doing.
22:16:39 <Chazz> they are
22:16:40 <ChrisMorgan> What is it, anyway?
22:16:45 <ChrisMorgan> For my dad (and me as an [unpaid] "employee") it's WaterSums
22:16:58 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, basically, it's free MS software :P
22:17:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... doesn't sound to me as though you're really eligible...
22:17:19 <ZachThibeau> like I said I hope to start a software firm :)
22:17:26 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i im :D
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22:17:30 <Chazz> s/im/am
22:17:41 <ChrisMorgan> How so then?
22:17:53 <Chazz> i'm working on a SAAS thing
22:18:02 <Chazz> these guys, sadly, are my inspiration
22:18:05 <ChrisMorgan> :O Shock horror! *Panic!*
22:18:11 <ZachThibeau> O_o
22:18:14 <ChrisMorgan> Wow... you really must be stuck for ideas ;-)
22:18:15 <ZachThibeau> o_O
22:18:19 <Chazz> yup :P
22:19:11 <ZachThibeau> like I said I hope to start a software firm :)
22:19:18 <ZachThibeau> Zach Thibeau & Co
22:19:18 <ZachThibeau> :D
22:19:25 <Chazz> nice zach :P
22:19:26 * ChrisMorgan shudders
22:19:37 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i even know what the name of the program i'm making is! :D
22:19:48 <ChrisMorgan> ...
22:19:54 <ZachThibeau> btw Imageshack fails
22:19:55 <ZachThibeau> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8506/imageshackfunny.png
22:20:24 <Chazz> lol, fail
22:20:28 <WastePotato> omploader > imageshack
22:20:34 <WastePotato> ._.
22:20:34 <ZachThibeau> well the software I'm working on is MusicPlay3000 :)
22:20:44 <Chazz> nice zach :P
22:20:55 <Chazz> how's it coming so far?
22:21:07 <ZachThibeau> plays video and music, very basic playlist support
22:21:15 <ZachThibeau> and it works on all Operating system platforms
22:21:23 <ChrisMorgan> And the software I'm working on is Manta :-)
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22:21:26 <Chazz> wow
22:21:36 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, how's /that/ coming?
22:21:58 <ChrisMorgan> I'm working on it for Windows first, but Linux and Mac OS X should work almost out of the box (other than initial lack of packages)
22:22:15 <Chazz> oh, cool
22:22:17 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: I think it's coming along OK.
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22:22:26 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: WxWidgets?
22:22:32 <Chazz> will the windows version support ASP.NET?
22:22:33 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: PHP
22:22:54 <ZachThibeau> php... manta.. :O I think I know of something like that
22:23:08 <ZachThibeau> is it the bug tracking software?
22:23:10 <ChrisMorgan> There's a bug tracker called Mantis
22:23:16 <ZachThibeau> ohh >_<
22:23:26 <ZachThibeau> different mantis then :P
22:23:28 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: I expect so (I've got IIS on the roadmap), but it won't work with the portable switch on
22:23:37 <Chazz> ah, ok
22:23:41 <ChrisMorgan> A manta is a ray, a mantis is an insect
22:23:53 * Chazz <3 manta rays
22:23:58 <ChrisMorgan> They are nice
22:24:11 <Chazz> will manta (the server) support coldfusion?
22:24:24 <ChrisMorgan> At first I was going with Mantis as the name, but then I found Mantis-BT.
22:24:28 <ChrisMorgan> Probably.
22:24:35 <Chazz> manta (the ray) is like, my 2nd favorite animal! :D
22:24:40 <Chazz> and, yay :D
22:24:44 <ChrisMorgan> Anything and everything. Just Apache, PHP and MySQL first, that's all.
22:24:54 <Chazz> wow
22:24:55 <ChrisMorgan> Then I'll have a "package request" forum
22:24:56 <ZachThibeau> I'm working with some php stuff :)
22:25:04 <Chazz> ooh! cool!
22:25:05 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: as long as you make it easy to upgrade PHP :)
22:25:08 <Gizmokid2005> unlike xampp :P
22:25:09 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: ah, but are you working on a PHP desktop application?
22:25:12 <ZachThibeau> my package is like an addon for phpBB
22:25:22 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: of course. So long as it's got a version of PHP which is compatible with PHP-GTK
22:25:24 <ZachThibeau> but without core changes to the actual forum
22:25:51 <ZachThibeau> my project uses the built in hooks and api built into phpBB3
22:25:57 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, I'll probally be the first person to request some extremely weird web language :P
22:26:20 <ZachThibeau> so far I got login worked out I'm now working on a blog module that works similar to wordpress
22:26:57 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: lol. I just say that because I've been waiting for PHP 5.3.0 for windows from xampp for a while...
22:27:28 <ChrisMorgan> PHP 5.3 support is not in PHP-GTK2 yet, expected very shortly.
22:27:50 <ZachThibeau> I know of an application that uses PHP-GTK :)
22:27:56 <ChrisMorgan> What is it?
22:27:56 <ZachThibeau> emuControlCenter
22:28:03 <ChrisMorgan> Never heard of it.
22:28:05 <Gizmokid2005> I've been waiting for a while so I can upgrade to the latest Ampache.
22:28:08 <ZachThibeau> it's like and emulator frontend
22:28:10 <ZachThibeau> **an
22:28:15 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, an emu mind controlling app? :P
22:28:25 <ZachThibeau> ...
22:28:45 * ZachThibeau smocks Chazz on the back of the head for making a silly comment
22:28:46 <ZachThibeau> :P
22:28:55 <Chazz> ouch! :P
22:29:06 <ChrisMorgan> Problem is I really want anonymous classes... ah well
22:29:42 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: that's a pretty complex implementation... Manta's UI is being much simpler.
22:30:04 <ZachThibeau> but it shows you how good a php-gtk application can be :)
22:30:07 <ChrisMorgan> ya
22:30:30 <ZachThibeau> well when you have a stable version or even beta let me know :)
22:30:33 <ChrisMorgan> Just a treeview on the left with things like "Home", "Package Manager", "Help" and "Configuration" and sub-elements for each package with config, I think, and a panel on the right with the content.
22:30:40 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: alpha more like...
22:30:50 <ZachThibeau> lol I just thought of an awesome idea :D
22:30:59 <ZachThibeau> PortableApps.com Updater in php-gtk :P
22:31:11 <ChrisMorgan> You think I haven't thought of similar things?
22:31:20 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com /Platform/ in PHP-GTK
22:31:27 <ZachThibeau> I'm sure you have but I like blurting those things out :P
22:31:33 * Chazz votes we write a PA.c updater in Whitespace
22:31:57 <ZachThibeau> ...
22:32:14 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: humph.
22:32:38 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, just cause it would be funny to have anyone look at the source code :P
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22:36:19 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: no UI support
22:36:32 <Chazz> oh, good point :/
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22:46:30 <ChrisMorgan> http://code.google.com/p/manta-server/people/list - ahhh...
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22:49:19 <Chazz> wow...
22:49:38 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
22:49:48 <ChrisMorgan> All except the last are actually ones built into it.
22:49:54 <Chazz> oh
22:50:07 <ChrisMorgan> Takes the fun out of it, doesn't it... :P
22:50:28 <ZachThibeau> lol taneth
22:50:29 <Chazz> heh, not at all :P
22:50:29 <ZachThibeau> :P
22:50:59 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: if you want I can help with graphics :)
22:51:37 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i can help with anything besides programming! :D
22:51:44 <ZachThibeau> >_<
22:51:55 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: financial?
22:51:59 <ChrisMorgan> HAH! ;-)
22:52:01 <Chazz> ok, not that
22:52:14 <Chazz> well, i could donate a couple million
22:52:21 <Chazz> (in monopaly monies)
22:52:21 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: so how about it :) need a gfx designer
22:52:22 <ZachThibeau> ?
22:52:24 <ChrisMorgan> Zimbabwean dollars?
22:52:41 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: thanks, but I've got that in tow. I've made the Manta logo (the only thing in SVN ATM), and pretty much everything else will be just stock GTK or packages' own icons.
22:52:53 <ChrisMorgan> And if there is anything else I think I can do it. I like graphic design :-)
22:52:56 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, no, i think monopoly is worth a bit more than zimbabwean :/
22:53:12 <ZachThibeau> ok let me know if you need some custom gfx that you think I'd be worthy of :P
22:53:12 <Chazz> need someone to write the help docs?
22:53:15 <ChrisMorgan> I have handled a 100 trillian dollar note.
22:53:20 <Chazz> :o
22:53:22 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: not yet anyway
22:53:33 <Chazz> ok :)
22:53:51 <ChrisMorgan> And I think I'll probably just do them myself... see how I go though.
22:54:52 <ZachThibeau> btw I could help donate a domain :P
22:55:21 <ZachThibeau> when the time comes that is
22:55:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... that offer is actually a very nice one. I was thinking of getting manta-server.com (I think that was it) after I've got a release or two going.
22:56:34 <ZachThibeau> ok :)
22:56:45 <ZachThibeau> I'll set aside some money to do a 3 year domain registration
22:56:56 <ChrisMorgan> I thought about manta.ws (web server) but it's well and truly registered
22:57:20 <ZachThibeau> I got a domain already set for musicplay3000 :P
22:57:21 <ZachThibeau> http://musicplay3000.com/
22:57:22 <ZachThibeau> :D
22:57:26 <ZachThibeau> already running too
22:57:43 <ChrisMorgan> I like to at least have something to show before forking out money
22:57:55 <ZachThibeau> I have something to show :P
22:58:10 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know how musicplay3000 is going now... a few weeks ago it was fairly empty though. But you seem to be putting effort into it :-)
22:58:31 <ZachThibeau> so far it's all been coded by me since maienm is on vacation
22:59:14 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: I hope you made sure that the screenshot with the video was of a suitable license? :P
22:59:31 <ChrisMorgan> What was there in VLC that you didn't like?
22:59:45 <ZachThibeau> the fact it switched to qt
23:00:06 <ChrisMorgan> I say it looks more native than it ever did with wx.
23:00:13 <ZachThibeau> it just doesn't feel native enough for me like the wxwidgets one was
23:00:26 <ChrisMorgan> Did it have skins with wx or was that new with Qt?
23:00:40 <ZachThibeau> skins was in wxwidgets
23:01:05 <ZachThibeau> yes it had skins support and they still do with the qt one
23:01:25 <ChrisMorgan> If .ta was a valid CCTLD and allowed foreign registrations I'd try getting man.ta and rename the project to man.ta...
23:01:35 <ChrisMorgan> I know they do... and it's pretty good.
23:02:01 <ZachThibeau> but personally mine is more trying to be foobar2000 with a little winamp like features mixed in
23:02:17 <ChrisMorgan> If I'd gone with "Mantis" I could have got mant.is or ma.nt.is :P
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23:03:36 <ZachThibeau> I've also written a very basic front end to ffmpeg2theora :)
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23:03:47 <ZachThibeau> thar be trolls in this region
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23:04:51 <ZachThibeau> maybe I should of added a smiley
23:14:08 <ZachThibeau> speaking of my frontend for ffmpeg2theora I should release it on my site :)
23:14:41 <ChrisMorgan> Make sure you do it in a way which won't get you listed on th ffmpeg shame page :P
23:15:16 <Chazz> lol
23:15:23 <Chazz> shame is bad
23:15:30 <ZachThibeau> lol don't worry it's listed as OSS, I downloaded the ffmpeg theora's source and I'm uploading that too as per gpl license as well as my own source for the front end :)
23:16:19 <ChrisMorgan> Well that's impressive... I installed Scribus, ran it and it crashed fairly quickly with an access violation exception...
23:16:54 <ZachThibeau> wow
23:17:30 <Chazz> :/
23:25:31 <ZachThibeau> :D released OGG Convert :)
23:25:32 <ZachThibeau> http://zachthibeau.com/index.php/ogg_convert/
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23:26:15 <ZachThibeau> WastePotato: :D
23:26:57 <Chazz> WastePotato, :D
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23:33:28 <ChrisMorgan> That thing of including all source code, I still don't believe that that's what the GPL (v2 or v3) really say, from my reading of it (though as they say, I'm not a nail).
23:33:45 <ZachThibeau> I'm still uploading it anyways to be safe
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23:34:22 <ZachThibeau> lol I don't know why but I loaded portableapps.com in visual studio >_<
23:34:30 <ChrisMorgan> :/
23:34:52 <JacobMastel> :P
23:34:54 <JacobMastel> Nice
23:36:40 <Chazz> nice zach :P
23:37:03 <JacobMastel> Has anyone else been having trouble with FireFox misrendering a lot of sites lately?
23:37:40 <ZachThibeau> nope
23:39:22 <Chazz> nopw
23:39:30 <Chazz> *nope
23:40:19 <JacobMastel> :(
23:40:22 <JacobMastel> Must be an addon.
23:40:35 * JacobMastel goes through his 20+ to find the stupid little bugger
23:40:36 <ChrisMorgan> probably
23:40:49 <ChrisMorgan> If you give a list we might be able to confirm some which work fine
23:46:28 <JacobMastel> I think I got it.
23:46:34 <JacobMastel> It's one of the old ones I had to hack.
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23:58:49 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds about right