IRC Log from 2009-08-14
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00:51:56 <Evoll> hi
00:52:12 <Evoll> why do all PortableApps.com apps cause the cursor to become "busy" for 5 seconds?
00:52:32 <Evoll> I checked processMonitor, and nothing is even happening while the cursor is busy
00:52:33 <ChrisMorgan> This has been discussed before, and recently in the fora.
00:52:36 <ChrisMorgan> It's not a problem.
00:52:40 <Evoll> it is a problem
00:52:47 <ChrisMorgan> It isn't.
00:53:24 <Evoll> Simply asserting "It isn't" isn't a sound enough logical argument. You'd have to provide some coherent and well thought out argumentation for your point, at the very least.
00:53:39 <ChrisMorgan> I have in the forum topic.
00:53:49 <Evoll> I see it as a problem, and I'm a regular user. If the app doesn't make the user happy then it's a problem
00:54:09 <Evoll> I avoid downloading any portableApps.com stuff and try to find alternatives because of the 5 second delay cursor
00:54:10 <ChrisMorgan> That's not an entirely logical thing
00:54:15 <ChrisMorgan> :O
00:54:29 <Evoll> it's enough to make me not use them
00:54:37 <ChrisMorgan> Using that as a reason is just ridiculous. What's the problem with it?
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00:54:53 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, http://portableapps.com/node/20254 in case you're not aware
00:55:04 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/20254#comment-125170 is my response
00:55:12 <Evoll> the problem is that there's a design flaw inherently in the startup script, because the 5 second delay cursor does NOT appear if you enable the startup Banner
00:55:20 <Evoll> therefore it's unnecessary
00:55:23 <Evoll> which means it's a flaw
00:55:24 <ChrisMorgan> No there isn't: it's a Windows issue.
00:55:38 <ChrisMorgan> See my response.
00:55:46 <Evoll> if it's a windows flaw then why doesn't it appear when there's a startup banner?
00:55:48 <ChrisMorgan> If the splash screen is on, Windows sees something to "blame"
00:56:06 <Evoll> Portable apps made by other people don't have this problem
00:56:12 <Evoll> it's PortableApps.com stuff *only*
00:57:53 <Evoll> the real issue with it is that i like to use perfect, fast, well design apps that are small and portable
00:58:01 <Evoll> the "wait cursor" means the App is "crappy"
00:58:08 <Evoll> like not designed properly
00:58:10 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: if it really is that much of a problem, don't use PortableApps.com stuff then. Nobody is forcing you too. You've been given a valid reason as to why this happens. if you want to use apps that aren't truly portable, go ahead.
00:58:13 <ChrisMorgan> Well I've provided all the reasons that I can with the level of research into it that I've done. I still say that it's not an issue.
00:58:25 <Gizmokid2005> if you REALLY care, then post in the forum topic...it's a windows issue with NSIS...and it is just there.
00:58:30 <Gizmokid2005> there's NOTHING that can be done about it.
00:58:54 <Evoll> I know you can fix your script. I made my own portableApp script in Autohotkey and it doesn't have this problem
00:59:03 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: AHK is NOT NSIS
00:59:04 <ChrisMorgan> It does not mean that the app is designed badly.
00:59:07 <Gizmokid2005> different methods of callbacks
00:59:23 <Gizmokid2005> like ChrisMorgan said, that does NOT mean the app is designed poorly
00:59:44 <Evoll> It means that the PortableApp packaged version isn't "perfect", it's flawed, so I look for a "real version" which isnt jacked up with delay cursors
00:59:49 <ChrisMorgan> In fact I personally would go so far as to say that we've got just about the best designed apps that there are - let alone in our field.
00:59:59 <ChrisMorgan> It doesn't delay it.
01:00:08 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: show me proof that any app that doesn't have the "wait cursor" is superior to ours.
01:00:12 <Gizmokid2005> in fact, I challenge you to.
01:00:24 <Evoll> the wait cursor is enough of a reason alone, that's the proof
01:00:41 <Evoll> it means you didnt pick a good script system and your script is broken
01:00:48 <ChrisMorgan> In fact you may well find that it's part of the superiority of our techniques and the fact that we *are* perfectionists.
01:00:50 <Evoll> and furthermore...
01:01:01 <Gizmokid2005> again, like I said, nobody is forcing you to use our applications. If you are going to allow a windows flaw to sway you away from actual good programs, then so be it. Nothing we can say here will change your mind.
01:01:05 <Evoll> The most important thing is that just because it's a portable app, it should NOT have a penalty
01:01:08 <Evoll> it should be transparent
01:01:13 <Gizmokid2005> it's not a penalty
01:01:14 <Evoll> PortableApps.com stuff has a penalty
01:01:17 <Gizmokid2005> what does it prevent you from doing?
01:01:22 <Evoll> it infuriates me
01:01:28 <ChrisMorgan> !?
01:01:29 <Evoll> every time I see the delay cursor, i delete the program
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01:01:34 <Evoll> that's just not acceptable
01:01:35 <Gizmokid2005> then I think you need to find something bigger to complain about.
01:01:41 <Evoll> i have accidentally downloaded portableapps stuff in the past
01:01:49 <PatrickPatience> palogbot: urri
01:01:52 <PatrickPatience> palogbot: uri
01:01:52 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-08-14#T01-01-52
01:01:55 <Gizmokid2005> then Evoll, may I ask, who's WONDERFUL applications you use?
01:02:12 <Evoll> gizomokid2005: i have a lot of portable programs, a nice collection
01:02:18 <Evoll> 200 or so, not a single one has this problem
01:02:28 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: that's not an answer.
01:02:37 <Evoll> don't make us have a penalty for using portable stuff
01:02:41 <Evoll> thats it, plain and simple
01:02:46 <Gizmokid2005> most likely, at least a percentage is illegal, or copywright infringing
01:02:51 <ChrisMorgan> Where from is more the question
01:02:53 <Chazz> Evoll, and, how many of them use an NSIS launcher to correctly and perfectly negate crap being stuck onto the host?
01:02:53 <Gizmokid2005> *copyright
01:03:19 <Evoll> Chazz: a number of them were made by my buddies, and some guys on a forum I frequent
01:03:26 <Evoll> both AutoIT and AHK ones are perfect
01:03:37 <Evoll> portableApps.com is the *standout* as the worst ones you can get
01:03:43 <Chazz> have you done regshots?
01:03:57 <Evoll> yep, reg is perfect
01:03:58 <ChrisMorgan> Evoll: that's not a reasonable statement at all.
01:04:13 <Evoll> just fix it damnit
01:04:21 <Evoll> i am a user
01:04:22 <Evoll> come on
01:04:30 <ChrisMorgan> There is nothing to fix.
01:04:40 <Evoll> why dont you even acknowledge your users concerns?
01:04:42 <Evoll> that's so dismissive
01:04:43 <Gizmokid2005> again Evoll, like ChrisMorgan there is NOTHING to fix.
01:04:46 <ChrisMorgan> You may as well ask Microsoft to fix Windows.
01:04:58 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: dismissive would've been kicking you when you failed to reason with actual logic.
01:05:06 <Gizmokid2005> if we didn't care, we wouldn't be trying to reason with you now
01:05:20 <Gizmokid2005> because a CURSOR changes due to an OS flaw, is NOT something WE can fix.
01:05:25 <Evoll> You are using justifications to tell yourself that a legitimate user concen is "NOTHING"
01:05:34 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: IF IT IS AN ISSUE...Then fix it.
01:05:35 <Evoll> it's just self justification
01:05:43 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: incidentally, it's not a flaw in the OS, it's a feature.
01:05:45 <Gizmokid2005> self-justificiation would be if we actually got something out of this.
01:05:55 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm.
01:06:11 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: you fail to take into account nobody here makes money off of the applications, and that we are all users or developers who DONATE our time and energy
01:06:17 <Evoll> what more do I have to say besides that the wait cursor is upsetting? That's valid enough
01:06:20 <Gizmokid2005> and ChrisMorgantrue.
01:06:24 <Evoll> it throws me off
01:06:28 <Evoll> I dont know if I should use the app or not
01:06:32 <Evoll> it's disorienting
01:06:35 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: then ignore it. It does nothing to degrade any performance of anything.
01:06:37 <Evoll> it's a negative feedback to the user
01:06:39 <Evoll> I cant ignore it
01:06:41 <ChrisMorgan> No it isn't.
01:06:42 <Gizmokid2005> how is it negative?
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01:06:50 <Evoll> it's providing a negative message to my brain, dont use this app, something is wrong
01:06:52 <ChrisMorgan> It says that it's doing something!
01:06:54 <Gizmokid2005> what NEGATIVE impact does it have, other than your personal preference.
01:06:56 <ChrisMorgan> Which it should be!
01:07:00 <PatrickPatience> This is whilst starting a portable application?
01:07:06 <Evoll> ChrisMorgan: It's not doing anything. I checked process monitor.
01:07:07 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPatience: yep with no Splash
01:07:12 <Evoll> there is no activity at all
01:07:14 <ChrisMorgan> Evoll: yes it is.
01:07:16 <Evoll> on the disk, registry, or elsewhere
01:07:23 <Evoll> Wrong, the activity already completed
01:07:27 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: because procmon shows nothing, means ABSOLUTELY nothing.
01:07:28 <ChrisMorgan> Process monitor is not the be-all and end-all of everything.
01:07:32 <ChrisMorgan> It is /not/.
01:07:32 <Evoll> you can see everything finish, then it sits there with a busy cursor for 5 more seconds
01:07:34 <PatrickPatience> Evoll: What applications, specificially?
01:07:40 <Evoll> ALL of them
01:07:42 <Evoll> on portableapps
01:07:44 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, that's an OS problem.
01:08:03 <PatrickPatience> Would this not depend on the speed of your flash drive as well?
01:08:08 <ChrisMorgan> Or actually on reconsideration, it'll be continuing on to the activity of the application which gets run.
01:08:21 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: not really, it's more to do with system activity/
01:08:21 <Evoll> Patrick: it doesnt have to do with the flash drive
01:08:31 <Evoll> same thing happens on a raid of Raptor drives
01:08:45 <Evoll> ChrisMorgan: there is *no* activity
01:08:46 <Evoll> i promise
01:08:52 <Evoll> i looked into it, i spent an hour finding out
01:09:03 <PatrickPatience> Then what could the issue be on our end?
01:09:03 <Evoll> You can see everything complete
01:09:06 <Evoll> Check it yourself
01:09:19 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, but you're mistaken - the activity may be with the launcher or the program.
01:09:20 <PatrickPatience> But I've never had an issue with is.
01:09:22 <Evoll> The app is fully ready to be used, nothing is pending
01:09:36 <Evoll> it's just negative user feedback
01:09:39 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: just out of curiosity, does this happen on ANY computer you EVER use with the apps?
01:09:40 <Evoll> I'll stop arguing, fix it damnit
01:09:41 <Evoll> i hate it
01:09:42 <ChrisMorgan> Please report it to Microsoft then.
01:09:51 <Evoll> Gizmokid2005: Yes, every computer
01:10:02 <Evoll> the ones i've used at least
01:10:26 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: I just tested it
01:10:27 <Gizmokid2005> no issue
01:10:29 <Gizmokid2005> whatsoever
01:10:33 <Gizmokid2005> disabled splash
01:10:38 <Gizmokid2005> launched Notepad++ Portable
01:10:44 <Gizmokid2005> in less than 3 seconds the app was ready to use.
01:10:56 <Gizmokid2005> have you EVER thought to consider it may be a third party application?
01:11:04 <Evoll> there is no third party application installed
01:11:05 <Gizmokid2005> for instance, a firewall or AV with RT scanning?
01:11:08 <Gizmokid2005> bs Evoll
01:11:09 <Evoll> no
01:11:09 <Gizmokid2005> YES
01:11:11 <Gizmokid2005> there is
01:11:17 <Evoll> I have 0 programs installed
01:11:22 <Gizmokid2005> you'll NEVER be on a computer WITHOUT a third party app installed
01:11:24 <Evoll> i use only portable software
01:11:25 <Gizmokid2005> be it drivers or otherwise.
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01:11:31 <Chazz> bs@ Evoll
01:11:37 <Evoll> uhhh, check it out
01:11:41 <Evoll> one sec
01:11:49 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: give me a Belarc Profile to prove it
01:11:52 <Gizmokid2005> and I shall believe you.
01:12:09 <Gizmokid2005> but I just tried it
01:12:11 <Gizmokid2005> and I do not have the issue
01:12:21 <Gizmokid2005> the app launches in less than the time you complain that the app "hangs" for.
01:13:12 <ChrisMorgan> Evoll: also remember that background activity cursor can be caused by *any* application - not just the launcher.
01:13:32 <Gizmokid2005> which goes back to my point about third party software.
01:13:42 <ChrisMorgan> Yup
01:14:03 <ChrisMorgan> It's remotely possible it might be related to the digital signatures
01:14:05 <Gizmokid2005> the fact that my app launches in less time than you say that the app hangs for, leads me to believe it's an issue with some configuration.
01:14:11 <Gizmokid2005> whether it be drivers or not.
01:14:51 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: can you name any specific application this happens with?
01:14:56 <Evoll> http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5684/installed1.png
01:15:00 <Evoll> there you go
01:15:39 <Evoll> btw, the delay happens also on a fresh XP installed in a virtual machine
01:15:42 <SergentSiler> that cant be right, i dont see winamp on the list and yet thoes files on the desktop are clearly associated with winamp
01:15:48 <Evoll> I use winamp portable, duh
01:15:57 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: explain the associations?
01:16:00 <Gizmokid2005> or did you do those yourself?
01:16:04 <Chazz> #1 Evoll you have installed programs from 3rd parties
01:16:05 <SergentSiler> it wouldent associate local files if it was portable
01:16:08 <Evoll> register_all.cmd sets associations
01:16:10 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: register_all.cmd
01:16:20 <Evoll> each folder has a register.cmd in it
01:16:22 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: adobe PDF?
01:16:25 <Evoll> which sets associations
01:16:27 <ChrisMorgan> To put down our stance clearly, Evoll, we have better things to do with our time than trying in vain to fix a problem which isn't there, and only appears to happen for a few users.
01:16:45 <ChrisMorgan> We shall skip over wondering how many of those apps are actually legal...
01:16:45 <Evoll> Gizmokid2005: I dont need that
01:16:49 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: my point is
01:16:52 <Gizmokid2005> you have the association setup
01:16:56 <Gizmokid2005> yet it's not shwoing on the list
01:17:01 <Evoll> what?
01:17:05 <Evoll> the associations dont show in a list
01:17:07 <Gizmokid2005> how'd you get the ADOBE icon/association without the app installed
01:17:11 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: yes, they do actually
01:17:14 <Gizmokid2005> look on your desktop.
01:17:19 <Evoll> I use portable adobe
01:17:24 <Evoll> I set the associations myself
01:17:24 <Gizmokid2005> you have PDFs associated with adobePDF
01:17:47 <SergentSiler> i see firefox in the quicklaunch but not in the add/remove programs list
01:17:50 <Gizmokid2005> so, not only are you complaining to a set of users/developers about an issue which isn't an issue, you are blatantly using illegal software?
01:17:54 <Evoll> I use firefox portable
01:17:57 <Gizmokid2005> SergentSiler: taht's easy.
01:17:59 <Evoll> which is a AHK script
01:18:02 <Evoll> it's on my C drive
01:18:05 <Evoll> in C:\Portable
01:18:11 <SergentSiler> ah
01:18:53 <Evoll> its better than portableapps.com firefox
01:18:55 <Evoll> since that one has delays
01:19:00 <Evoll> cant stand delays on FF
01:19:01 <ChrisMorgan> Evoll: you also have things like a custom theme which don't show up in Add or Remove Programs - is this one of the "portable" (quotes intended) apps?
01:19:13 <Evoll> custom themes dont need to be installed
01:19:14 <ChrisMorgan> Evoll: no delays without reason of *real* portability
01:19:16 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, theming on xp isnt an app
01:19:23 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: it can be
01:19:29 <Evoll> well its not installed dude
01:19:35 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: again, illegal software
01:19:40 <Evoll> Nope
01:19:41 <Evoll> its not illegal
01:19:42 <Gizmokid2005> yes
01:19:43 <Gizmokid2005> it is
01:19:46 <Evoll> its a UXTHEME
01:19:53 <Gizmokid2005> it is a copyright infringement of Firefox
01:19:54 <Evoll> uses the standard windows xp theme service
01:19:57 <Gizmokid2005> I wasn't talking about your theme...
01:20:01 <ChrisMorgan> He meant Firefox
01:20:09 <Gizmokid2005> and Adobe
01:20:18 <Gizmokid2005> and who knows what else
01:20:23 <Evoll> You are avoiding the issue. Because I use an AHK script to startup firefox doesn't mean your portableApps.com stuff isnt broken
01:20:26 <Chazz> i dont see internet explorer in your program list Evoll and thats ALWAYS installed on windows
01:20:33 <Evoll> Chazz: No its not
01:20:35 <Evoll> i use nLite
01:20:37 <ChrisMorgan> Our programs are not broken.
01:20:43 <Evoll> 130MB xp disk
01:20:44 <SergentSiler> Chazz, thats in windows components
01:20:55 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: so its probably somethi9ng that has to do with your "streamlined" install of windows
01:20:57 <Gizmokid2005> *shrugs*
01:20:59 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: IE can be uninstalled though it's not recommended
01:21:07 <Evoll> Gizmokid2005: <Evoll> btw, the delay happens also on a fresh XP installed in a virtual machine
01:21:07 <Chazz> oh ya :/
01:21:20 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: same streamlined disc too huh?
01:21:22 <Evoll> no
01:21:25 <Evoll> default XP
01:21:26 <Evoll> sp3
01:21:32 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: and it breaks lots of things too which is why.
01:21:40 <Evoll> it doesnt break anything
01:21:44 <Evoll> every app is perfect
01:21:51 <Evoll> the IE rendering engine DLL's are there still
01:21:52 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: I suggest that you take this issue, maybe make a post in the forums about it, if it's really an issue to you, and try to find a resolution. If you feel there is a true issue at hand, though I've just proven on my install, and 2 other VMs, one XP and one Vista, that it doesn't happen.
01:21:59 <Evoll> just not windows update, ie exe's, etc
01:22:03 <ChrisMorgan> Evoll: then it's not uninstalled properly
01:22:14 <Chazz> Evoll, how do u run your VMs?
01:22:24 <Evoll> most of it is uninstalled, except the critical parts
01:22:25 <ChrisMorgan> Anyhow, I think I'll tune out now, I've heard enough to realise that you can't be convinced by reason, and as so I've got better things to do, I will do them.
01:22:47 <Evoll> Chazz: on vmware on my laptop
01:22:49 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: I think everyone here has heard enough. Take my suggestion to heart. This conversation is now over.
01:22:54 <ChrisMorgan> But you can't honestly say that we're not being reasonable.
01:23:08 * ChrisMorgan seconds Gizmokid2005
01:23:09 <Chazz> Evoll, and, the screen pic isnt from your laptop, is it?
01:23:21 <Evoll> Take my suggestion to heart: You have the worst portable app script there is, the *only one* with startup problems
01:23:30 <Evoll> no other script systems have this issue
01:23:31 <ChrisMorgan> Evoll: stop.
01:23:37 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: again, take my suggestion to heart
01:23:41 <Gizmokid2005> this is OVER.
01:23:53 <Gizmokid2005> nobody here is going to be sad if you quit using our software, or never use it.
01:24:02 <Evoll> umm
01:24:08 <Evoll> my buddies wont use portableapps.com stuff either
01:24:11 <Evoll> we all use portable stuff
01:24:17 <Evoll> none of them touch your crap cause of the cursor delay
01:24:19 <Gizmokid2005> Evoll: Good for them. I'm glad they use you to think for them.
01:24:31 <Chazz> wow... so, thats what 5 people who won't compared to 100million+ who do
01:24:34 <Evoll> well we send alternatives to eachother
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01:24:41 <Gizmokid2005> Again. Evoll. This is your LAST warning. This conversation is over. If it matters that much, then you'll post about it in the forums.
01:24:51 <SergentSiler> ty ChrisMorgan
01:24:54 <Gizmokid2005> aww ChrisMorgan, I was going to give him the boot, he didn't deserve a remove.
01:25:09 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: sorry :P
01:25:15 <Gizmokid2005> it's ok ChrisMorgan, I'll let it slide this time.
01:25:34 <ChrisMorgan> I'd figured that the previous one was the ultimatum
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01:26:09 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i have a feeling the folks who make mIRC are gonna be very unhappy now...
01:26:17 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: why?
01:26:28 <ChrisMorgan> Anyhow, let's all take a deep breath... :-)
01:26:36 <SergentSiler> ^_^
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01:26:55 <ChrisMorgan> I think that's about the fastest we've had lines flying in here...
01:27:03 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: eh, close yeah :)
01:27:03 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, he'll probally bug them with "Why did mIRC leave this room w/o me telling it to?"
01:27:14 <ChrisMorgan> :P
01:27:19 <Gizmokid2005> "I wasn't kicked"
01:27:20 <Gizmokid2005> lol
01:27:25 <Chazz> lol
01:27:30 <ChrisMorgan> "Medium activity", says KVIrc... :/
01:27:43 <SergentSiler> :\
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01:27:46 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: yeah
01:27:50 <Gizmokid2005> go to a room with a lot of people
01:27:54 <Gizmokid2005> like #ubuntu or #freenode
01:27:56 <Gizmokid2005> or something
01:27:56 <Chazz> wow... i'd hate to try and watch a channel on KVIrc's High Activity list :/
01:27:57 <Gizmokid2005> lol
01:28:07 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: just what I was thinking!
01:28:26 <Gizmokid2005> btw...that guys' app listing seems VERY VERY familiar...
01:28:38 <ChrisMorgan> He came in a couple of months back on the same issue.
01:28:40 <Gizmokid2005> I swear I've seen it before.
01:28:44 <Gizmokid2005> that would be why.
01:28:58 <ChrisMorgan> He posted a screenshot, that time it was in the top left corner though with no add/remove programs window
01:29:01 <SergentSiler> he was on like 2 weeks ago
01:29:02 <Chazz> does palogbot log join/parts?
01:29:05 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
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01:29:29 <Chazz> ok, cause i think that guy was also here a few days ago at like 3AM CST
01:29:33 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... considering that, do you reckon it's worth banning him, Gizmokid2005? Your choice.
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01:29:37 <Chazz> palogbot, uri
01:29:37 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-08-14#T01-29-37
01:29:43 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: nah, I'll let him come back in.
01:30:00 <Gizmokid2005> maybe the logic will click in his head at some point
01:30:02 <Gizmokid2005> and he'll come back
01:30:08 <Gizmokid2005> if he does, and it's bad...he'll get the kb
01:30:22 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: something about swine flu comes to mind...
01:30:28 <Gizmokid2005> lol
01:30:35 <ChrisMorgan> Pigs might fly.
01:30:45 <Gizmokid2005> :)
01:30:47 <Gizmokid2005> yeah yeah
01:31:02 <Gizmokid2005> even if he does have a /valid/ point, he'll follow it up in the forums.
01:31:28 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, I want to get on with Manta.
01:31:33 <Chazz> woo!
01:31:49 <Gizmokid2005> have fun ChrisMorgan
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02:10:37 <Bensawsome> wow... http://lifehacker.com/5336382/digsby-joins-the-dark-side-uses-your-pc-to-make-money
02:10:55 <Chazz> GAH! Evil!
02:11:01 <Bensawsome> yarly
02:11:06 <Bensawsome> everyone uninstall digsby :/
02:18:33 <Suiseiseki> How?
02:18:51 <Chazz> Suiseiseki, open the install/uninstall thing
02:18:53 <ChrisMorgan> Bensawsome: how? I haven't got it installed
02:19:04 <Suiseiseki> I don't see it on the list
02:19:12 <Chazz> ://///
02:21:53 <Suiseiseki> "and finding the largest known prime number."
02:21:55 <Suiseiseki> I lol'd
02:22:18 <ChrisMorgan> If they find big'uns, there's money in it...
02:22:36 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look at Prime95 for a similar thing for Mersenne primes
02:22:39 <Chazz> heh
02:23:08 <Suiseiseki> good luck for them
02:23:42 <Bensawsome> ChrisMorgan :P
02:23:56 <Bensawsome> but ya
02:24:02 <Bensawsome> they could come up on major money
02:24:14 <Bensawsome> and personally i think using our computers to do that is despicable
02:24:22 <Bensawsome> if they are gonna do that
02:24:22 <ChrisMorgan> They could probably sell out for millions if they found the right company...
02:24:24 <Bensawsome> give us a share
02:24:36 <ChrisMorgan> If you want to make money, build up a good product and sell out.
02:24:50 <Bensawsome> and find the largest prime number :/
02:24:54 <Gizmokid2005> or be like portableapps.com :)
02:25:01 <Bensawsome> yarly Gizmokid2005 :3
02:25:46 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: we are (or rather John is) doing it the slow way which will quite possibly never end up with as much money. He could have sold out for many million, or charged for it.
02:25:54 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
02:26:03 <Gizmokid2005> but he was more concerned with providing something
02:26:13 <ChrisMorgan> He's doing it because he likes to.
02:26:17 <ChrisMorgan> And believes in OS
02:26:29 <Bensawsome> ya
02:27:14 <Gizmokid2005> Yep :)
02:27:33 <ChrisMorgan> We're still hoping on becoming millionaires out of it though, aren't we ;-)
02:27:49 <Gizmokid2005> nah
02:28:01 <Bensawsome> I would totally do the same... if i could proggram and wasnt going into college :/
02:28:03 <ChrisMorgan> No?
02:28:15 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, hust go trade in a few buck for zimbabwean monies
02:28:16 <Bensawsome> going into colleg = having no meny
02:28:19 <Bensawsome> atleast for me :/
02:28:20 <Chazz> *just
02:28:25 <ChrisMorgan> Well maybe I'll be a millionaire with Manta ;-)
02:28:32 <Bensawsome> oh i know
02:28:35 <Bensawsome> japan money :3
02:28:45 <Gizmokid2005> I'd rather just have enough to live comfortably
02:28:46 <Bensawsome> we would all be like... billionaires :P
02:28:47 <Gizmokid2005> no need to be greedy
02:28:50 <Bensawsome> lol
02:28:52 <Bensawsome> exactly
02:29:03 <Gizmokid2005> john should give in and allow someone else behind the scenes with him too though, to help with releases and whatnot.
02:29:24 <Gizmokid2005> of everything that's done, that's the only thing I'd like to see change
02:29:30 <Bensawsome> ya
02:29:37 <Bensawsome> john works WAY too much
02:30:07 <Gizmokid2005> even if he kept up with all the coding of the menu and the standards and whatnot, and just helped delegate the releasing and whatnot to someone else
02:30:10 <ChrisMorgan> Considering what he's been thinking about cross-platform stuff and changing the langauge the menu is written in
02:30:18 <Gizmokid2005> Granted, he's trying with the RT, but it's just not there yet.
02:30:34 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: of course, it'd need to be a trustful relationship with the digital signatures
02:30:38 <ChrisMorgan> RT hasn't worked.
02:31:22 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: whatcha mean about the Digital sigs?
02:31:52 <ChrisMorgan> To delegate releases properly more than one person would need the digital signature private key.
02:32:16 <Gizmokid2005> and I know...the RT just hasn't made it...but there isn't a set of real "guidelines" to follow
02:32:18 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: for what?
02:32:43 <ChrisMorgan> For releasing apps, digitally signed as we do
02:34:54 <ChrisMorgan> Options I see which stand a chance are: C++/wxWidgets, C++/GTK, C++/Qt, wxPython, PyQt, PyGTK, PHP-GTK. John doesn't like C++, and Qt is not-so-quite-completely-portable without difficulty, so that leaves wxPython, PyGTK and PHP-GTK. And personally, the more I do with PHP-GTK the more I like it, and it's about the smallest of the lot, especially then if you use Roadsend PHP.
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02:53:17 <excid3> I agree the language for the menu should be moved
02:53:40 <excid3> Although, how well does GTK work on Mac now?
02:53:40 <ChrisMorgan> Any opinion what on to though?
02:54:01 <excid3> I use Python and wx for Keryx, which is cross-platform.
02:54:10 <excid3> I moved from GTK because of that
02:54:26 <ChrisMorgan> http://php-gtk.eu/en/install-php-gtk-2-on-macos-x
02:55:01 <Bensawsome> excid3 i thought it worked fine
02:55:02 <excid3> So GTK has improved
02:55:04 <Bensawsome> i dunno though
02:55:10 <Bensawsome> i thought xchat aqua used it...
02:55:12 * Bensawsome looks
02:55:13 <ChrisMorgan> Inkscape is a GTK application, and it's now up to building on OS X without X11
02:55:18 <excid3> It used to not work without requiring X
02:55:25 <ChrisMorgan> I know
02:55:34 <ChrisMorgan> 0.46 was X11, 0.47 is native
02:55:51 <ChrisMorgan> OpenOffice.org: 2.4 was X11, 3.0 is native.
02:56:01 <ChrisMorgan> (Though OO.o isn't GTK)
02:56:37 <excid3> Hmmm
02:56:41 <excid3> I really like GTK
02:56:45 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: I can't hold my breath that long :P
02:56:48 * ChrisMorgan too
02:56:55 <excid3> That was the only thing that at the time, there was no native port
02:57:10 <ChrisMorgan> And wxPython is just fairly messy in my opinion.
02:57:13 <excid3> And with python, py2exe does not create single file executables
02:57:18 <excid3> I don't mind it so much
02:57:25 <excid3> But I agree it's messy
02:57:38 <ChrisMorgan> It gets closer with the bundle and compress flags
02:57:45 <excid3> Pyinstaller is good for creating single file executables cross platform and supports Qt and wx
02:58:08 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible uses a py2exe script
02:58:11 <excid3> I did have a lot of trouble getting GTK to even compile with py2exe :(
02:58:13 <excid3> Yeah
02:58:23 <excid3> I looked at a lot of the source for that for pointers
02:58:32 <Gizmokid2005> Qt is just big.
02:58:34 <excid3> Still had a rough time getting anywhere :\
02:58:44 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible's got the best build script of any Python application I know of.
02:58:51 <ChrisMorgan> And it's got BPBible Portable support built in :D
02:59:00 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: not true actually
02:59:11 <ChrisMorgan> Unless you define ~8MB as "too big".
02:59:11 <excid3> I'd like to see python used as well as GTK
02:59:24 <ChrisMorgan> I don't really like Python as much as PHP
02:59:30 <ChrisMorgan> I vote for PHP-GTK :-)
02:59:35 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: depending on what for
02:59:35 <Gizmokid2005> lol
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03:00:16 <excid3> 8mb isn't too large
03:00:32 <excid3> But i can understand your frame of view
03:00:37 <ChrisMorgan> 5-10MB is the overhead you get to expect in most of them.
03:00:48 <Gizmokid2005> no, not really, but I mean, if you are talking 8MB for the menu, vs the current 1M
03:00:57 <Gizmokid2005> or if you are talking like 8MB for something like Pidgin or something
03:00:59 <Gizmokid2005> it's different
03:01:07 <Gizmokid2005> that's why I said it depends
03:01:07 <excid3> Yeah I agree with you there
03:01:08 <ChrisMorgan> Whatever gets used it'll be going up in size
03:01:19 <excid3> But It's not really that large of a differnece
03:01:28 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but I'm thinking x-platform and small-ish
03:01:29 <excid3> If its under 10 it's still pretty good
03:01:39 <ChrisMorgan> wxPython will take it to ~15MB
03:01:52 <excid3> wxPython feels so...crappy
03:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> PyQt and PyGTK probably somewhere about ~10-12MB
03:01:58 <excid3> GTK is ideal
03:02:08 <excid3> IMO, I'm not much of a fan of Qt
03:02:15 <ChrisMorgan> PHP-GTK will be about 9MB, smaller with Roadsend PHP I believe
03:02:21 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but /really/ there isn't a lot to the menu
03:02:26 <Gizmokid2005> I mean, there is a bit, but not a lot.
03:02:41 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: the framework is the biggest thing in almost all situations
03:02:46 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: I know
03:03:01 <ChrisMorgan> PHP-GTK is pretty much the smallest, and in my experience of three days, it's pretty good.
03:03:41 <Gizmokid2005> john will find something he's happy with and convert it
03:03:42 <Gizmokid2005> lol
03:04:33 <ChrisMorgan> As for a package manager, I would then expect that I'd be able to contribute a large chunk of Manta code by then
03:04:58 <ChrisMorgan> And if it were done in PHP-GTK I'd like to help anyway.
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03:40:46 <JacobMastel> Wow you guys went through an ordeal earlier :P
03:41:01 <ChrisMorgan> True :-)
03:41:49 <ChrisMorgan> The lines flew thick and fast! Into the valley of death rode the six hundred!
03:42:02 <ChrisMorgan> Random, I know, but never mind :P
03:42:18 <Chazz> lol'
03:42:53 <JacobMastel> Wow :P
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05:08:25 <ChrisMorgan> Mod request: remove double post http://portableapps.com/node/20355 and possibly also http://portableapps.com/node/20354 as ThinApp support request
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05:08:34 <ChrisMorgan> And in completely the wrong spot anyhow
05:19:47 <ChrisMorgan> Actually I take back what I said about PyQt and PyGTK - 18-25MB is more accurate
05:19:56 <ChrisMorgan> Which makes PHP-GTK the clear leader based on size :D
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05:26:35 <Chazz> Still, Perl > *
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05:54:45 <ChrisMorgan> Not for UI design.
05:55:05 <ChrisMorgan> Look at the bottom of http://www.pygtk.org/consulting.html - you see that even someone *called* Perl preferrs GTK to Perl.
05:55:42 <Chazz> kill off the PHP part of it
05:55:46 <Chazz> and use Perl
05:55:56 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
05:56:40 <Chazz> Because Perl is funner, and Perl is used on more desktop stuff than PHP is.
05:56:40 <ChrisMorgan> gtk2-perl... why would you use it when you can use PHP-GTK2?
05:56:49 <Chazz> ^
05:57:02 <ChrisMorgan> So? That's no reason why things shouldn't change.
05:57:24 <Chazz> AND!
05:57:31 <ChrisMorgan> AND?
05:57:48 <Chazz> Can PHP make code in the shape of bottles that when ran displays the 99 bottles of beer song?
05:58:04 <ChrisMorgan> If you really feel like it.
05:58:31 <Chazz> (Lets see a PHP person do that _
05:58:34 <Chazz> *)
05:59:43 <ChrisMorgan> Wow... http://search.cpan.org/dist/Acme-EyeDrops/lib/Acme/EyeDrops.pm ... what a crazy way of doing it.
06:00:52 <Chazz> makes sense :/
06:01:06 <ChrisMorgan> ... really?
06:02:03 <Chazz> sadly, yes it does :/
06:10:19 <Chazz> or, maybe you could go with Ruby and GTK or Ruby and Wx
06:10:40 <ChrisMorgan> Not Ruby, that would not be a good plan.
06:10:46 <Chazz> no?
06:11:05 <Chazz> whats wrong with it?
06:24:08 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: the only benefit I can see of it is that if a user downloads the source code they could see a gigantic PortableApps.com logo including the "PortableApps.com" and "Your digital life, anywhere" text... and they'll probably need to view it at 0.1 pt before they can fit it on a screen... :P
06:24:48 <Chazz> heh
06:25:47 <ChrisMorgan> 'Download our 50MB of "formatted" source-code' and view it in a text editor at 0.1 pt...
06:25:51 <ChrisMorgan> Silly though. PHP-GTK is much better :-)
06:26:47 <Chazz> well, not as good as Perl, but PHP-GTK is good ;P
06:28:04 <ChrisMorgan> :O You are generous!
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06:28:20 <ChrisMorgan|Away> I should be back in about 40-50 minutes
06:29:14 <Chazz> g'bye ChrisMorgan|Away
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07:42:41 <Chazz> wb ChrisMorgan
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08:34:27 <Chazz> ohai WastePotato
08:38:03 <WastePotato> Wut up Chazz?
08:38:17 <Chazz> not much, u?
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08:40:08 <Chazz> wb ChrisMorgan
08:41:21 <WastePotato> Just trying to get stuff to work. :/
08:41:42 <Chazz> oh
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10:15:58 <Horusofoz> Hey Guys
10:15:58 <Chazz> 'ello Horusofoz
10:15:58 <Horusofoz> Aye :)
10:15:58 <ChrisMorgan> Ho rosofoz
10:15:58 <Horusofoz> Ey :)
10:15:58 * ChrisMorgan wins the stylish greeting award :-)
10:15:58 <ChrisMorgan> ... and so goes on with coding Manta
10:16:42 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: Hole' up
10:16:54 <Horusofoz> Wanted to get your advice on sumpin if I can?
10:16:58 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: ?
10:18:06 <Horusofoz> What do you tihnk is the better offering out of - http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16216&cat=0&page=1 or http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=92 - I've looked at the specs and their pretty similar to my laymens eyes but wanted a more informed opinion
10:18:23 <Horusofoz> Two wouldn't hurt if your inclined Chazz ;)
10:18:55 <Horusofoz> Oh and gotta love that Ubuntu Key ;)
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10:19:20 <Chazz> Horusofoz, what do u mostly use your computer for?
10:19:47 <Horusofoz> All sorts
10:20:11 <Horusofoz> net, games, work, image editing, a touch of html, communication etc
10:20:27 <Chazz> ah, ok
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10:21:29 <Horusofoz> :( Just saw system76 only ships in North America :( Just when I was leaning towards them
10:22:16 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: you may be interested in the Kogan Agora line
10:22:27 <Horusofoz> Googling now
10:22:28 <ChrisMorgan> Linux
10:22:37 <ChrisMorgan> kogan.com.au
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10:24:00 <Horusofoz> Looks ok but no Ubuntu key :p
10:24:48 <Chazz> Horusofoz, the first one looks better in my opinion
10:24:55 <Horusofoz> What ya'll think of this - http://www.mediafire.com/?jtgmr4dehgz
10:25:36 <Horusofoz> wait sorry
10:25:54 <Horusofoz> Forgot its not worth using mediafire for images - Uploading to photobucket now
10:26:05 <Chazz> Horusofoz, thats a nice one
10:27:33 <Horusofoz> Here it is again - http://s752.photobucket.com/albums/xx168/horusofoz/?action=view¤t=UbuntuNetbook.png
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10:28:27 <Horusofoz> Just realised thisll be $635.79 AUD :(
10:28:39 <Chazz> wow...
10:29:37 <Horusofoz> I think ChrisMorgan's suggestion is looking good
10:29:51 <Horusofoz> Would be better with Ubuntu keys but
10:30:18 <Horusofoz> I guess that's just me being pedantic
10:30:30 <Horusofoz> Chazz: What you think - http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-agora-netbook/
10:31:37 <Chazz> that one looks nice :)
10:34:18 <Horusofoz> Hmmm just was recommended to wait for Ubuntu 9.10 to be released as Dell is planning on a nice box for it :)
10:35:13 <Chazz> ah ;)
10:39:01 <Horusofoz> Curious - If I put Ubuntu on an external hard drive could I install it to it without affecting my host system?
10:39:35 <Chazz> probally
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11:28:10 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I'd recommend the Kogan Agora PRO model; 6-cell instead of 3-cell battery, and 2GB instead of 1GB of memory, and a tiny bluetooth dongle (not that I'd use that myself), for $40 more ($399/$439)
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14:35:57 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: are you really there?
14:36:04 <rmccue> Yep.
14:36:10 <Gizmokid2005> YAY!!
14:36:14 <Gizmokid2005> it's been a LONG time
14:36:17 <Gizmokid2005> how are you?
14:36:36 <rmccue> I'm good, yourself?
14:36:37 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't seen you on Gtalk, IRC, the forums...and I've heard your presence on twitter has gone way down also
14:37:02 <Gizmokid2005> Not too bad, my cat is currently giving birth
14:37:11 <ZachThibeau> O_o
14:37:20 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: check FB.
14:37:25 <ZachThibeau> o_O
14:37:32 <ZachThibeau> I don't like facebook
14:37:36 <Gizmokid2005> I know
14:37:39 <Gizmokid2005> but that's where the pics are going
14:37:51 <rmccue> Yeah, I haven't been opening Pidgin lately, and I've been busy with a lot of stuff.
14:38:00 <Gizmokid2005> as soon as she's done, all the pics from the digital camera will go on my website
14:38:00 <rmccue> I probably won't be coming back to the forums.
14:38:15 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, ok rmccue. Wanted to make sure something hadn't happened.
14:38:16 <Gizmokid2005> aww, why not?
14:38:32 <rmccue> Not my cup of tea any more. :)
14:38:40 <ZachThibeau> :O
14:38:45 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, I see
14:38:47 <Gizmokid2005> I know how that goes
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14:38:52 <Gizmokid2005> I've had a few forums I've just kinda fallen off of.
14:39:04 <ZachThibeau> howdy pa_2409 how can we assist you today
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14:40:19 <ZachThibeau> I guess I scared him off
14:40:21 <ZachThibeau> :P
14:40:31 <rmccue> :D
14:40:43 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: songbird is pretty much wrapped up :D
14:40:51 <rmccue> :D
14:41:22 <ZachThibeau> yeah after I took over it I figured it needed a rewrite which I didn't have time to do so I gave it to Gizmokid2005 who made it work properly
14:41:42 <Gizmokid2005> lemme tell you what rmccue, since they introduced the watch folders, it wasn't easy
14:42:06 <rmccue> Anything based on GTK or Mozilla never was easy. :P
14:42:12 <Gizmokid2005> ain't that the truth
14:42:18 <ZachThibeau> at least the equilizer doesn't have presets yet >_<
14:42:21 <Gizmokid2005> I had to actually invoke and edit the hex file (.tree) for the watch folders.
14:42:52 <rmccue> Ouch.
14:44:06 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, it wasn't easy, but with the help of the guys over at NSIS, I got it :D
14:44:26 <rmccue> Nice work. :D
14:44:34 <Gizmokid2005> though, 1.3 is on the verge of being released...according to the SB guys, its in QA now.
14:44:37 <Gizmokid2005> thanks :)
14:45:24 <ZachThibeau> yeah and I had too much time since now I only work 4 hours a day that I learned c++ and I am working on foobar2000 clone with a little winamp twist too it :P
14:46:13 <rmccue> Since ya'll are knowledgeable folks, how do I stop bash from outputting the source of a file?
14:46:27 <rmccue> i.e., + cd -
14:46:45 <ZachThibeau> sad to say MaienM was the person that was working with me hasn't contributed a single line of code >_<
14:47:04 <ZachThibeau> uhmm I'm not sure of that personally
14:47:51 <rmccue> :S
14:48:30 <ZachThibeau> I usually prefer the output
14:49:06 <rmccue> I might leave it there then.
14:50:04 <ZachThibeau> *sigh* I need to update DVDStyler
14:50:34 <ZachThibeau> so far NSISPortable is stable :)
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14:50:44 <ZachThibeau> haven't gotten any bug reports on it >_<
14:50:56 <Mir> =_=
14:50:59 <ZachThibeau> probably because not a lot of people are actually using it
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14:52:31 <Horusofoz> Hi All
14:52:38 <ZachThibeau> Horusofoz: btw to let you know I'm not a moderator ;)
14:52:38 <Horusofoz> In need of some assistance
14:52:39 <Gizmokid2005> hello Horusofoz
14:52:48 <Horusofoz> Not here for spam
14:52:56 <ZachThibeau> Horusofoz: ok that aside how can we assist you
14:53:07 <Horusofoz> I've been experimenting with Ubuntu tonight
14:53:13 <ZachThibeau> ok
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14:53:35 <Horusofoz> After an adventure I've finally got to being able to boot XP and removed GRub (hallelujah)
14:54:09 <Horusofoz> However now when I restart pc it always asks if I want to run Windows XP or the recoery console.
14:54:24 <Horusofoz> How do I make it automatically boot XP as I've never had this happen before
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14:55:04 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
14:55:04 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
14:55:10 <ZachThibeau> sorry network died on me
14:55:32 <Horusofoz> Do I need to retell?
14:55:39 <ZachThibeau> yes please
14:55:56 <ZachThibeau> if I was on my znc I would normally say no but I'm not on it so yes please retell
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14:55:58 <Horusofoz> After an adventure with Ubuntu I've finally got to being able to boot XP and removed GRub (hallelujah)
14:56:10 <Horusofoz> However now when I restart pc it always asks if I want to run Windows XP or the recoery console.
14:56:19 <Horusofoz> How do I make it automatically boot XP as I've never had this happen before?
14:56:58 <Horusofoz> This screen here - http://z.askapache.com/uploads/2007/08/boot-menu-recovery-console.png
14:57:18 <ZachThibeau> uhmm to be honest I'm not sure, never had that happen to me
14:57:22 <Bensawsome> did anything happen to ur computer recently?
14:57:23 <Bensawsome> lol
14:57:25 <Bensawsome> ya
14:57:35 <Bensawsome> i had that happen on a computer a while ago
14:57:45 <Bensawsome> i just deal with it cause i could never figure out why :/
14:57:49 <Horusofoz> That is where it keeps taking me before running XP. What's worse is keyboard doesn't work at screen so I can't select OS just have to wait for timer to end
14:57:50 <Bensawsome> also
14:57:55 <Bensawsome> just wait 12 seconds :P
14:58:02 <Bensawsome> it will automatically do it :P
14:58:10 <Bensawsome> btw I LOL'D: http://portableapps.com/node/20355
14:59:47 <Horusofoz> I'm guessing the issue is caused by my installing the recoery console so that I could restore the Windows Boot Manager
15:00:19 <Bensawsome> ya... that would be it...
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15:01:06 <Gizmokid2005> Horusofoz: http://www.theeldergeek.com/recovery_console.htm
15:01:08 <Gizmokid2005> scroll down
15:01:16 <Gizmokid2005> find "Removing the Recovery Console"
15:01:29 <Horusofoz> On that exact page already :D
15:02:09 <Horusofoz> However this won't remove recovery console only its entry in the boot menu
15:02:21 <Gizmokid2005> Horusofoz: right, which should bypass it on boot.
15:02:32 <Gizmokid2005> it's not going to hurt to leave it installed
15:03:13 <Horusofoz> Gizmokid2005: But if I need to use it again will it safely install over the top of itself?
15:03:30 <Gizmokid2005> Horusofoz: yeah, it will probably just remodify the boot.ini
15:03:30 <Gizmokid2005> or
15:03:34 <Gizmokid2005> you can just backup the boot.ini and edit it
15:03:38 <Gizmokid2005> then you have it for future use.
15:03:40 <Gizmokid2005> backups ftw :D
15:04:15 <Horusofoz> Found an article here - http://www.petri.co.il/delete_the_recovery_console.htm - Removes the menu entry the same as the previous entry and deletes recovery console :)
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15:06:11 <Horusofoz> Actually decided just to remove the menu entry just in case.
15:06:24 <Horusofoz> Going to reboot -Thanks in advance guys :)
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15:08:17 <Bensawsof> wow
15:08:19 <Bensawsof> wtf happened
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15:09:20 <Horusofoz> It worked :)
15:09:25 <Gizmokid2005> Horusofoz: good :)
15:11:19 <Horusofoz> K I might try soliciting some moe advice if I may?
15:12:19 <Bensawsome> no :P lol jk'
15:12:20 <Bensawsome> brb
15:12:51 <Horusofoz> Does anyone know how to install Ubuntu onto a portable hard drive so that it can be booted when plugged in without the need for a dual boot?
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15:18:22 <Guest87526> Okay. That's it. I'm loading the nickserv module
15:18:53 <Mir> poor dave
15:20:44 <Horusofoz> Nite
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15:45:35 <pa_5081> when do you think the 2.0 will come out (not beta)
15:47:05 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5081: when its done
15:47:09 <Gizmokid2005> nobody has a solid date.
15:47:22 <pa_5081> ok thanks
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17:39:42 <LOGAN> hi peeps
17:39:55 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello LOGAN
17:40:18 <Bensawsome> LOGAN u see the stuff about digsby
17:40:41 <LOGAN> My miranda Portable pops up notification every now and then I have 0.8.1 and current version is 0.8.4. anyone know why it hasnt been updated yet?
17:40:56 <Bensawsome> lol
17:40:59 <LOGAN> stuff about digsby?
17:41:02 <Bensawsome> stop asksing for updates GAWD
17:41:02 <Bensawsome> lol
17:41:09 <Chazz> no one felt like updating it? :P
17:41:11 <Bensawsome> LOGAN look here: http://lifehacker.com/5336382/digsby-joins-the-dark-side-uses-your-pc-to-make-money
17:41:16 <LOGAN> not only one update, 3!!?!
17:41:39 <Bensawsome> lol
17:41:43 <Bensawsome> STOP ASKING GAWD
17:41:46 <Bensawsome> ;)
17:42:36 <LOGAN> Bensawsome : nope I trust miranda (I used pidgin but miranda now supports multiple networks without hacking and copying dlls :)
17:44:49 <LOGAN> well i thought theres maybe a reason for not updating ;)
17:46:00 <Gizmokid2005> LOGAN: other than john being busy? Probably not
17:46:22 <LOGAN> hmm about Disby.... you know the open source app miro also adds some toolbar
17:46:34 <LOGAN> Gizmokid2005: , John is ALWAYS busy
17:46:53 <LOGAN> I'm also always busy, i got 9 3D models accepted into google earth 3D layer
17:47:19 <Gizmokid2005> lol yeah
17:47:26 <LOGAN> (but has time for some very early alpha of the next firefox :P
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19:33:55 <ZachThibeau> if I cut out thats because I'm installing Virtualbox guys
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19:34:30 <ZeroA4> Hi
19:35:04 <Oni-Neoxes> hello ZeroA4
19:36:40 <ZeroA4> I just found an bug... the .ini for thunderbird portable run from an read only medium... it does not work in the actual version (2.0.22) in fact i tested one by one going backwards and the last one to work is 2.0.12
19:40:08 <ZeroA4> steps to reproduce: install an thunderbird portable version, create a bogus account, close TBP, copy the ini to the TBP folder, start TBP if it shows your bogus account the ini worked... the 2.0.0.22 version shows the account create wizard and if you cancel an empty profile
19:47:12 <ZeroA4> I have to go now. I did not found and bug report form at the site... i will post it at the forum but i am not registred so posting here is fast as i only be online again monday
19:47:20 <ZeroA4> bye
19:47:31 <Oni-Neoxes> See ya ZeroA4
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