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02:05:45 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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02:22:56 <Horusofoz> Hey zll
02:23:19 <ChrisMorgan> Hey zorosofoH
02:23:30 <Horusofoz> :D
02:24:32 <Horusofoz> I'm trying to set ubuntu to run off a portable hard drive so I can use the same install on muliple machines and take it with me to frineds places.
02:24:55 <Horusofoz> I successfully installed Ubuntu tot he portable but can't seem to get GRUB onto it:(
02:25:19 <ChrisMorgan> btw Horusofoz I'd recommend the PRO model of the Kogan Agora; for $40 more you get a battery which lasts twice as long and an extra GB of RAM (and a Bluetooth dongle)
02:25:19 <Horusofoz> Oh ad can't access the ubuntu IRC channel from the live cd :(
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02:25:45 <Horusofoz> Does anyone know how to do this?
02:25:49 <Horusofoz> thanks ChrisMorgan|Away
02:31:20 <Horusofoz> Anyone?
02:40:12 <Horusofoz> Anyone?
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04:05:35 <GizmoBot> HypnoToad is currenALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
04:05:49 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Taffin
04:06:02 <HypnoToad> hai ChrisMorgan
04:06:11 <ChrisMorgan> Have you heard about my apparently final decision for which language to write Manta in?
04:06:27 <HypnoToad> nope
04:06:35 <ChrisMorgan> PHP.
04:07:07 <HypnoToad> wut
04:07:19 <ChrisMorgan> Is that "what" or "woot"?
04:07:23 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
04:07:31 <HypnoToad> its a "what"
04:07:38 <ChrisMorgan> ... of course :P
04:07:48 <ChrisMorgan> In fact I've started writing it.
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04:07:51 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a member of the GE Team (#GamingExposed | GamingExposed.Com) and a french translator of PortableApps.com
04:07:51 <GizmoBot> Whibo is a member of the GE Team (#GamingExposed | GamingExposed.Com) and a french translator of PortableApps.com
04:07:57 <ChrisMorgan> Before the day is out I may have committed some code.
04:08:35 <ChrisMorgan> What's the biggest question in your head?
04:08:51 <ChrisMorgan> "How!?", "Have you finally gone off the deep end!?", or something else?
04:09:19 <HypnoToad> PHP doesn't seem very good for writing non-web apps
04:09:26 <ChrisMorgan> Why not?
04:09:29 <ChrisMorgan> What's wrong with it?
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04:09:53 <HypnoToad> well, the fact that its designed for server side use might be the first one
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04:10:18 <ChrisMorgan> If you start with the assumption that it's PHP, what would you think would need doing?
04:11:02 <ChrisMorgan> (Say "A GUI toolkit" or similar)
04:11:12 <HypnoToad> WinBinder?
04:11:22 <ChrisMorgan> No, I decided not it.
04:11:30 <HypnoToad> which one then?
04:11:58 <ChrisMorgan> Windows only, work stopped 2006, major issues (such as the tab key not switching controls).
04:12:12 <ChrisMorgan> PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/
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04:12:23 <ChrisMorgan> It's really very nice.
04:13:02 <HypnoToad> so you're using PHP with GTK?
04:13:15 <ChrisMorgan> You got it.
04:13:36 <HypnoToad> non-native^2
04:13:44 <ChrisMorgan> :O
04:13:51 <ChrisMorgan> Just you wait!
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04:14:08 <ChrisMorgan> Incidentally, it's smaller than PyQt, PyGTK or wxPython
04:14:57 <ChrisMorgan> Wanting platform-independance while still not going too big, I have decided that PHP-GTK is about the best.
04:15:20 <HypnoToad> but at least wxPython and PyQt look native, instead of trying to put linux-style GUI's onto windows
04:15:37 <ChrisMorgan> Also PHP is going to be used more often than Python in a web environment, making it even less overhead for most people
04:16:07 <ChrisMorgan> wxPython and PyQt coding is messy
04:16:24 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, just wait a week or two and you shall see wonders :-)
04:16:26 <HypnoToad> so you would need a PHP install to be able to use manta
04:16:35 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
04:16:44 <ChrisMorgan> It really needed to be PHP or Python.
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04:17:01 <HypnoToad> it could have been C++, or delphi, or pascal
04:17:02 <ChrisMorgan> C++ with plugins was just too hard, to start with anyway.
04:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> Consider the aim again; extensibility is the crucial factor.
04:17:43 <ChrisMorgan> And with any compiled language that's fairly difficult to do as much as I want it.
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04:28:15 <HypnoToad> my php skillz < -0
04:36:56 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: I think you'll be able to catch on pretty quickly if you're interested in it.
04:37:23 <HypnoToad> is there any languages that it's similar to?
04:37:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... sort of like bits of Perl, Python and C++.
04:38:04 <ChrisMorgan> "C-like" is how it's described in the WinBinder "why" page... I wouldn't very much though.
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04:39:28 <ChrisMorgan> When I upload what I've done, you'll look at it and say "that's so easy!" Even if it is a slightly unusual use of Paamayim Nekudotayim.
04:41:26 <ChrisMorgan> Well, even though you're not saying "WHAT!?", I'll respond with http://au2.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.paamayim-nekudotayim.php
04:44:47 <HypnoToad> hmm?
04:44:59 <HypnoToad> so its similar to using a double colon in C++
04:45:08 <ChrisMorgan> Same thing :P
04:45:25 <ChrisMorgan> I'm using it instead of globals, that's all. e.g. Manta::restart();
04:45:37 <ChrisMorgan> Manta::$window->show_all();
04:45:44 <ChrisMorgan> etc.
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05:28:30 <SergentSiler> lol
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06:49:18 <pa_3937> how to unnist portable apps ?
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06:51:32 <Res2216firestar> pa_3937: delete the files, and follow the instructions at http://portableapps.com/node/5819
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06:58:38 <pa_3937> the program is doesnt unnist .... it's always file in use
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16:07:18 <rcmaehl> How do you guys get the Portableapps slogan on the menu
16:08:29 <rcmaehl> ...
16:08:40 <rcmaehl> is that -ot?
16:13:18 <rcmaehl> Your online support chat is not working
16:13:27 <rcmaehl> Help!
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16:14:22 <rcmaehl_zzz> Your online support chat is not working
16:14:56 <rcmaehl_zzz> nvr mind
16:14:59 <rcmaehl_zzz> it's fixed now
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16:17:25 <pa_6791> Hello
16:18:45 <pa_6791> Hello?
16:22:19 <Mir> hmm
16:22:23 <Mir> hullo
16:22:39 <pa_6791> Hi
16:22:44 <pa_6791> How do you get the PA..c logo on the PAP
16:25:00 <Mir> beats me
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16:26:02 <Gizmokid2005> pa_6791: what do you mean?
16:27:10 <pa_6791> The portableapps.com your digitial life. anywhere thing
16:29:29 <pa_6791> ...
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17:00:50 * hello loves portableapps.com
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17:27:50 <SergentSiler> some wierd pa_xxxx's today o_O
17:27:56 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
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17:41:53 <SteveLamerton> Hello all :)
17:42:09 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello SteveLamerton
17:42:48 <SteveLamerton> Heya Oni-Neoxes
17:43:08 <Oni-Neoxes> Anything New with your day ?
17:45:58 <SteveLamerton> Nope, just doing a bit of work on Toucan at the moment, wrapping up 2.1.3 hopefully, you?
17:46:28 <Oni-Neoxes> Nice. Nothing as usual
17:46:32 <Oni-Neoxes> Just preparing for school
17:47:03 <SteveLamerton> Unlucky ;) Finished school for good a couple on months ago ;)
17:47:15 <Oni-Neoxes> Nice
17:47:55 <SteveLamerton> Uni starts in six weeks or so though, don't know where I am going until results on thursday though!
17:48:09 <Oni-Neoxes> but I'm going to enjoy the last year, stuck with easy classes and a 4 hour Computer class. Gives me time to read my "Beginning Programming All-In-One Desk Reference For Dummies" book. 700 pages but going to be worth it :D
17:48:39 <SteveLamerton> :)
17:49:22 <Oni-Neoxes> covers Many types of Computer Languages.
17:49:37 <SteveLamerton> Should be good then :)
17:50:14 <Oni-Neoxes> http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Programming-Reference-Dummies-Computers/dp/0470108541
17:51:02 <SteveLamerton> Looks good to me :)
17:51:20 <Oni-Neoxes> I'll try and list the Languages it lists
17:53:27 <Oni-Neoxes> These are the ones I found in the Table of Contents: HyperText Markup Language,CSS,JavaScript,PHP,Ruby,Programming Language Syntax,C and C++,Java and C#,Perl and Python,Pascal and Delphi,Visual Basic and REALbasic.
17:54:19 <SteveLamerton> Sounds like a wide range to me, should be a better way of learning than I got ;)
17:55:34 <Oni-Neoxes> I just hope I can find the One that suits me
17:56:52 <SteveLamerton> I would have thought that you had a good chance, but really once you know one well moving to others is a lot easier :)
18:02:55 <Oni-Neoxes> I can't tell until I get to school because of the great computer class. The same Year I can get Net+ and A+ Certified
18:05:13 <SteveLamerton> Nice that you get certifications
18:10:02 <Oni-Neoxes> yea. Can come in handy finding a good job or college
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19:00:04 <Gizmokid2005> John's been busy
19:00:12 <Gizmokid2005> but he hasn't been around
19:00:12 <Gizmokid2005> lol
19:01:23 <SteveLamerton> Indeed, hello Gizmokid2005 :)
19:01:55 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton :)
19:02:18 <Gizmokid2005> I'm waiting to hear back from him about SBP
19:02:53 <SteveLamerton> Got it all sorted then?
19:03:10 <Gizmokid2005> I'm pretty sure :0
19:03:11 <Gizmokid2005> *:)
19:03:43 <SteveLamerton> Nice one :) It is sure to be a big hit!
19:03:49 <Gizmokid2005> I'm sure
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20:38:23 <pa_6755> how do you delete things?
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20:38:32 <pa_5900> hi
20:38:45 <pa_6755> hi
20:38:56 <Gizmokid2005> pa_6755: just delete the folder
20:39:37 <pa_6755> oh yeh ty
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20:39:45 <pa_5900> i have installed portableapps but wen i go to youtube it asks for the
20:39:53 <pa_5900> flash player
20:40:16 <pa_5900> i installed it but its getting installed in
20:40:32 <pa_5900> the sysytem and not on the pen drive
20:40:42 <pa_5900> can u help me in this
20:40:42 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5900: http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#plugins
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20:51:15 <MrFish> what sandwich dbdii407?
20:51:16 <MrFish> O_o
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20:52:05 <dbdii407> Oh Hi MrFish.
20:52:08 <dbdii407> Long time no see.
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20:52:13 <Brian_S> :)
20:52:18 <Brian_S> How's the sub?>
20:52:19 <Brian_S> >_>
20:52:23 <dbdii407> Good
20:52:26 <dbdii407> Roast Beef
20:52:28 <dbdii407> Lol.
20:52:29 <Brian_S> nic
20:52:30 <Brian_S> e
20:52:35 <Brian_S> got my twitter message?
20:52:40 <dbdii407> Anywho. I have to help parents
20:52:44 <Brian_S> I like TwitterFox :D
20:52:47 <Brian_S> heh
20:52:47 <dbdii407> Nope. But i'll check
20:52:48 <dbdii407> :)
20:53:11 <dbdii407> Bbl.
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21:54:13 <Chazz> TimClark, :D
21:54:41 <TimClark> hello dabomb, how are you ?
21:54:51 <Chazz> Good, you?
21:55:20 <TimClark> Fine
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21:59:29 <pa_9211> hi
21:59:40 <Chazz> Hello pa_9211
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22:00:46 <Chazz> guess he just needed someone to say hi to :/
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23:03:40 <powerjuce> is pat here?
23:03:45 <powerjuce> i guess not
23:04:01 <powerjuce> im here in canada and i wanted 2 tell him that
23:04:47 <Chazz> powerjuce, y u in canadia?
23:05:01 <powerjuce> vacation Chazz
23:05:14 <powerjuce> although i cant connect to any secure servers on irc
23:05:25 <Chazz> oh
23:05:48 <powerjuce> brb
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23:43:21 <JohnTHaller> hola
23:43:48 <Chazz> howdy JohnTHaller
23:44:04 <JohnTHaller> how goes it in here today?\
23:44:36 <Chazz> it goes good :)
23:47:33 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, sorry if i'm being annoying, but, have you decided on wether or not to make Gnumeric official?
23:48:31 <JohnTHaller> I think we'll go with it. But I wanna do it on a weekday so people see it.
23:48:39 <Chazz> ah, ok :D
23:50:18 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
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