IRC Log from 2009-08-16
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00:14:12 <Chazz> ello rmccue
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00:15:10 <Chazz> ello rmccue hello pa_5694
00:15:17 <Chazz> crap
00:15:20 <Chazz> Sorry :/
00:17:16 * rmccue waves
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00:45:06 <ZachThibeau> hey rmccue
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03:21:33 <pa_6401> hello
03:22:27 <Chazz> Hello pa_6401
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03:22:53 <Bensawsome> ok seriously? again?
03:23:06 <Chazz> :/
03:37:48 <Bensawsome> WOOO its my birthday in 10 minutes :3
03:40:52 <Chazz> Woo! Nice Bensawsome!
03:41:13 <Bensawsome> lol
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04:57:09 <Chazz> ChanServ, bit OP-happy today?
04:58:13 <ChrisMorgan> Just KVIrc doesn't seem to cope entirely well with starting off in the away status, so I was making sure it was fixed :-)
04:58:31 <Chazz> oh
04:58:35 <ChrisMorgan> Me coming in three hours ago was the computer awakening itself because it was too low on battery, so it could hibernate.
04:58:49 <Chazz> ah :/
04:59:54 <ChrisMorgan> http://www.theage.com.au/national/gusty-weather-prompts-calls-for-help-20090816-em1q.html - that happened in church today. Rather noisy. It happened in the middle of the first song... we raised the roof ;-)
05:00:43 <Chazz> WOW!!
05:00:52 <ChrisMorgan> Impressive, ain't it.
05:01:15 <ChrisMorgan> Good thing it had proper girders etc. inside, otherwise the ceiling would have caved in. As it was it just lost some plaster.
05:01:17 <Chazz> ya!
05:01:23 <Chazz> wow...
05:02:12 <ChrisMorgan> We relocated.
05:02:48 <Chazz> ah :)
05:03:04 <ChrisMorgan> We didn't start off again from verse two though... we went right back to the start :P
05:03:19 <Chazz> heh, nice
05:03:25 <ChrisMorgan> Wow, John's been busy!
05:03:38 * Chazz goes to check PA.c
05:03:48 <ChrisMorgan> 7 releases.
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05:05:06 <Chazz> WOW~
05:05:08 <Chazz> *!
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11:32:49 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
11:33:04 <ChrisMorgan> Howdy ZachThibeau
11:33:27 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, the things which happen in church: http://www.theage.com.au/national/gusty-weather-prompts-calls-for-help-20090816-em1q.html
11:33:30 <ZachThibeau> I'm going to get my code signed :)
11:33:50 <ChrisMorgan> We were in that building (the arts centre), singing our first hymn... we raised the roof :P
11:34:13 <ZachThibeau> lol literally
11:34:19 <ChrisMorgan> Yup.
11:35:35 <ZachThibeau> well the Church I am attending is going through expansion :)
11:36:31 <ChrisMorgan> We're moving from one shop (being demolished as part of redeveloping Dandenong) to another, and in the meantime were meeting in that band room. Wonder what we'll do next week.
11:37:02 <ChrisMorgan> When we'd relocated, we didn't start from the second verse... we started again :P
11:37:40 <ZachThibeau> lol sounds like what our church would do too
11:37:56 <ZachThibeau> man I'm loving windows 7
11:38:35 <ChrisMorgan> My development of Manta is going well :-)
11:38:50 <ChrisMorgan> I've been building large chunks of back-backend code
11:38:59 <ChrisMorgan> Such as error handling
11:42:29 <ZachThibeau> nice
11:44:02 <ZachThibeau> just for my purposes I'm getting a code signature for vba-m as there are some posers that are rehacking vba-m releases and calling it vba-cloud and saying they are fixing bugs in vba-m that don't even exist (worst of all they don't provide the source code and said they are making it closed source)
11:44:10 <ZachThibeau> bunch of gpl violators they are =_=
11:44:40 <ChrisMorgan> How expensive was it for you?
11:45:11 <ChrisMorgan> My Dad got his code signature for WaterSums from The Code Project. About US$100/year from memory.
11:46:04 <ChrisMorgan> Did you get a generic "Zach Thibeau" one so you can use it for multiple apps, or for the specific projcet?
11:46:17 <ZachThibeau> well I'm still waiting for my paycheck but atm I'm going to use the old fashioned way and using my own from using openssl binaries, this way I'll still know if the software has been tampered with so basically my way is free, eventually once we get the cash we will get one from verisign
11:46:39 <ChrisMorgan> K
11:47:49 <ChrisMorgan> Dad did some research before buying, and he concluded that the Code Project one was about the cheapest reputable one available.
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12:44:17 <k2s> is there command line option to StartPortableApps.exe which would quit it ?
12:44:33 <ChrisMorgan> No.
12:44:46 <ChrisMorgan> You've got to close the PortableApps.com Platform manually.
12:46:14 <k2s> ChrisMorgan: thank you
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14:07:08 <ooarashi> Hello.
14:08:52 <ooarashi> I have a question. Is it possible to configure command line switchs for apps in the PortableApps Launcher? I'm having dificulty with The Mana World and need to add --no-opengl to the command line.
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14:51:52 <ooarashi> I have a question. Is it possible to configure command line switchs for apps in the PortableApps Launcher? I'm having dificulty with The Mana World and need to add --no-opengl to the command line.
14:53:56 <ooarashi> help!
14:54:12 <jnw222> you can just modify and recompile the launcher
14:54:34 <ooarashi> I am not a programmer, I have no idea how to do that.
14:54:55 <jnw222> i was just pointing my easy ay out
14:55:43 <ooarashi> Not so easy for me.
14:56:25 <ooarashi> Unless you can provide instructions on how to make the modifications and recompile.
14:58:20 <jnw222> (sarcastic) just open the TheManaWorldPortable.nsi in the Other/Source with a text editor search for something like EXECTHIS or EXECSTRING modify it to have --no-opengl or so. save. open up NSIS click compile nsis script open THeManaWorldPortable.nsi
14:58:44 <jnw222> assuming you wave nsis or nsis portable
14:58:50 <jnw222> *have
14:58:59 <ooarashi> I will attempt, thank you.
15:00:04 <ooarashi> Keep in mind, not everyone who finds PortableApps usefull may not be as experienced as you are.
15:00:13 <jnw222> i know
15:00:50 <jnw222> you are talking of a complex subject which ( to my knowledge) cant be done with just the menu
15:03:21 <ooarashi> Sorry, it's a pet peve of mine that it appears the majority of "Open Source" people expect everyone to have technical\programming skill.
15:03:21 <ooarashi> Putting a command switch is a simple matter when dealing with Windows Shortcuts. I was quite surprised PortableApps has no equivlent ability.
15:03:56 <jnw222> i think it might be in the works
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16:27:19 <puffib> hello everybody, can i ask for an advise?
16:27:25 <jnw222> yeah
16:28:02 <puffib> thanks :-) first of all, sorry for my bad english i'm gonna try to explane you the problem...
16:28:06 <jnw222> ok
16:28:46 <puffib> i need to backup some files automatically when i insert my usb key on a pc...
16:29:00 <puffib> files from PEN to PC
16:29:14 <puffib> there is some tool that i can use to do that?
16:29:34 <jnw222> hmm
16:29:48 <puffib> obviously i use PortableApps suite on my pen...
16:29:55 <Chazz> right-click on stuff, hit copy; right-click on directory in computer, hit paste
16:30:05 <puffib> :-)
16:30:07 <jnw222> automaticly
16:31:38 <Chazz> well, he /could/ write a batch script which would copy stuff
16:32:17 <jnw222> yeah
16:32:28 <jnw222> maybe toucan+autostarted
16:32:40 <Chazz> ya, maybe that
16:34:00 <puffib> ok, i've tried to do that but, i've got portableapps.exe in to the autorun.inf...
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16:34:35 <Chazz> ok, so, that makes portableappsexe being the automatically run app
16:34:48 <puffib> yes...
16:35:03 <Chazz> now, with a recent version of the
16:35:30 <Chazz> PortableApps Platform, you can have the menu autolaunch a PApp.
16:35:43 <Chazz> jnw222, can 1.5 do that, or only 2.0?
16:36:31 <jnw222> sadly i think it might be new to 2.0b
16:36:48 <Chazz> ah, ok :/
16:37:11 <puffib> ok, i'm gonna use... the right-click mode! :-)
16:37:26 <puffib> Thanks
16:37:32 <Chazz> yw :D
16:37:57 <Chazz> but, remember, PAP 2.0 is still beta, so might not be 100% stable (Although it's never crashed for me:)
16:38:34 <jnw222> seem stable enough (have only had 1 problem, when the taskbar icon doesnt work, but fixed)
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18:04:15 <pa_8978> Can I Add My Picture To The Portable Apps Menu?
18:08:29 <pa_8978> Can I Add My Picture To The Portable Apps Platform?
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21:00:33 <farmer.freenode.net> Users on #portableapps: palogbot @JohnTHaller ptmb @Gizmokid2005 +ZachThibeau BjornH Suiseiseki diib Chazz ooarashi jnw222|afk Whibo abc528 Brian_S +pabot StatBot Bensawsome Twinkletoes|W tarbo_ Mir Zarggg
21:04:12 <Gizmokid2005> aha! Finally, updated all my extensions for FF that I've been using that were out of date.
21:04:41 <BjornH> JohnTHaller, I'm here also - SM6GQW - abt Celestia.
21:05:59 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. Did you try installing a local copy of Celestia to see if it works on the PC? Can you do that?
21:07:09 <BjornH> You mean outsida PortableApps directory
21:08:12 <BjornH> +?
21:10:41 <JohnTHaller> I mean a regular install of Celestia, the regular version. Not portable.
21:12:55 <BjornH> Ok, no I will not try, if I get trouble again it can give mi to mutch trouble on harddisk.
21:13:17 <BjornH> mi/my
21:19:03 <Gizmokid2005> hey JohnTHaller, do you have any VNC viewers in the works?
21:22:59 <JohnTHaller> I'd played with ultra a LONG time ago
21:23:04 <JohnTHaller> Duno what I did with it, though
21:23:18 <Gizmokid2005> alrighty. I'll work on one. I've been using TightVNC from a Dev test a LONG time ago
21:23:30 <Gizmokid2005> I'll double-check there's no others, if not, I'll make it and we can get one final
21:25:16 <Gizmokid2005> http://portableapps.com/node/11285 that's the dev test I'm using...and I don't see anything else that's being worked on. I'll give it a shot.
21:26:47 <Gizmokid2005> lookie here JohnTHaller: http://www.tightvnc.com/u3/
21:28:55 <JohnTHaller> lame
21:29:09 <Gizmokid2005> I guess I"ll just have to make a better one huh? :)
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21:31:51 <JohnTHaller> yup
21:32:00 <Gizmokid2005> give me an hour :)
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21:45:58 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: what purpose does it server to have an app save it's settings to the REGISTRY?
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21:53:06 <JohnTHaller> it's the standard way, or it was, for apps to save settings
21:53:24 <JohnTHaller> it's supposed to be faster than INI files (which was the old standard)
21:53:43 <Gizmokid2005> it's quite frustrating...especially for those people like me, who install everything to a separate drive to preserve things...
21:53:52 <Gizmokid2005> only to have it be stored in the #@$% registry anyways...
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21:58:50 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
21:58:54 <JohnTHaller> Hi zach
21:59:08 <ZachThibeau> didn't see you come online of course that's my fault for not being around my laptop >_<
21:59:39 <JohnTHaller> i've been on for a bit
22:00:59 <qwertymodo> hello ZachThibeau
22:01:20 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: I think I can solve the directx issue with vba-m, afaik you can statically link the library into the emulator however I haven't tested this yet
22:02:05 <ZachThibeau> I did find out though the only directx dll files you can redistribute are dx10 only >_<
22:02:30 <qwertymodo> yeah, I knew you couldn't redistribute the .dll alone
22:02:48 <qwertymodo> you have to package it with the dxsetup.exe and such
22:02:49 <ZachThibeau> well the dx10 dlls you can according to msdn
22:03:06 <ZachThibeau> but earlier you couldn't unless you found a way to statically link them
22:03:30 <ZachThibeau> I love msdn :)
22:03:44 <ZachThibeau> especially since I got a 3 year subscription now
22:03:56 <qwertymodo> well that's cool, too bad it's only for 10
22:04:41 <ZachThibeau> I'm loving the fact I got windows 7 Pro RTM now :D
22:05:05 <qwertymodo> I wish I'd had the money to get the preorder deal :(
22:06:06 <qwertymodo> one of the joys of being a poor college student :P
22:06:20 <ZachThibeau> yeah I know, I got my subscription from a friend
22:07:13 <JohnTHaller> I just redid MSDN. Makes it nice for doing testing in VMs
22:09:12 <ZachThibeau> yup
22:09:29 <ZachThibeau> saves some money in the long run too
22:09:39 <ZachThibeau> I was able to get visual studio 2008 Pro
22:09:39 <Chazz> ya, deffinately
22:10:25 <qwertymodo> it's really funny that windows live messenger doesn't attach to the system tray in windows 7, but running it in Windows XP Mode, it works just fine
22:10:50 <ZachThibeau> well I can't use xpmode on my laptop my laptop doesn't support hyperv or whatever it requires
22:11:08 <Gizmokid2005> hey JohnTHaller, you know whats going on with rmccue?
22:11:43 <JohnTHaller> no idea. you?
22:11:46 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
22:11:48 <Gizmokid2005> talked to him the other day
22:12:03 <JohnTHaller> I'll PM you
22:12:08 <Gizmokid2005> l
22:12:10 <Gizmokid2005> *k
22:13:18 * Chazz doesn't know how to use XP mode :/
22:13:53 <qwertymodo> Chazz you have to install it, it doesn't come with 7 by default
22:15:32 <Chazz> oh :/
22:16:12 <qwertymodo> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
22:16:28 <qwertymodo> you have to download and install Virtual PC
22:16:50 <Chazz> ah, ok
22:16:55 <qwertymodo> Windows XP Mode is a special pre-configured VM for VPC
22:17:03 <qwertymodo> both downloads are on that page
22:17:28 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: how much was it for you to get a code signer signature? I ask as I may get one for a project I'm working on
22:17:39 <Chazz> thanks qwertymodo
22:18:02 <qwertymodo> you're welcome :)
22:19:12 * qwertymodo wishes it was possible to attach USB devices in seamless application mode in XP Mode :(
22:21:38 * Chazz thinks he'll just stick w/ VBox :/
22:22:47 <ZachThibeau> thats what I use
22:22:53 <ZachThibeau> in seemless mode ;)
22:22:57 <Chazz> nice :D
22:23:03 <ZachThibeau> thats my xp mode :P
22:23:09 <Chazz> lol, ya :D
22:23:20 <qwertymodo> the nice thing about xp mode is that it's like getting a free xp license
22:23:35 <Chazz> for the 2 versions out of date OS...
22:23:51 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: I can get a free license anyways :P
22:24:07 <qwertymodo> psh fine :P
22:24:20 <ZachThibeau> my msdn subscription I got for free from a friend in the BizSpark program and added me on his list
22:25:51 <ZachThibeau> so because I have that and I got Visual Studio I've been planning to try something and hopefully start a small business of my own someday :)
22:26:10 <ZachThibeau> something in the lines of software development and retail sales
22:29:26 <Chazz> nice zach :)
22:30:17 <ZachThibeau> well thanks to working with vba-m I've been learning some cool stuff programming wise in c++ and also thanks to steve lamerton I've been working in WxWidgets
22:30:27 <Chazz> nice
22:31:10 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: What project are you gonna be signing? Personal vs Commercial?
22:33:28 <ZachThibeau> well vba-m is what I'm thinking of especially where there is this guy named laterza that's ripping our releases by reshacking them and claiming to fix bugs in vba-m that aren't even real bugs and refuses to release the source. so this is in a sense a way of protecting our releases.
22:35:12 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok.
22:35:42 <JohnTHaller> I think I used this:
22:35:43 <JohnTHaller> http://www.instantssl.com/code-signing/
22:35:46 <JohnTHaller> $180/yr
22:36:22 <ZachThibeau> ok sounds reasonable :) I should be able to get that soon
22:37:28 <JohnTHaller> You could trademark VBA-M, too if you're working with the original devs. It's annoying, but it can be used to prevent rip-offs.
22:37:41 <JohnTHaller> And you can make a direct copyright claim to his host since it's some of your code in it.
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22:40:48 <ZachThibeau> yeah shouldn't be an issue trademarking but then again maybe it would be too since VisualBoyAdvance's original author may return from the shadows to reclaim vba (or so some people hope)
22:41:37 <ZachThibeau> Forgotten, alot of people admire him for his work in bringing vba to where it came in compatibility
22:41:46 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm off for some stargate sga
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22:44:23 * qwertymodo just signed up for MS DreamSpark *woot*
22:44:46 <Chazz> qwertymodo, ur a highschool/collage tech admin?
22:44:54 <qwertymodo> college student
22:44:57 <Chazz> ah
22:45:31 <qwertymodo> I originally thought it was only one software title per student, but I just read the FAQ and it isn't :D
22:45:41 <Chazz> ah
22:45:43 <Chazz> heh
23:00:25 <JohnTHaller> We now have a "More News" page: http://portableapps.com/news
23:00:34 <jnw222|afk> i saw
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23:09:52 <ZachThibeau> back
23:09:56 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, ^_^
23:19:34 <JohnTHaller> Ok, PNotes is up
23:20:08 <Chazz> Yay :D
23:27:55 <Chazz> Hey JohnTHaller is it nessisary for a PApp to be able to run in WINE?
23:29:02 <ZachThibeau> I would think it would be a bonus if it worked in wine
23:30:27 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, bonus maybe, but is it nessisary?
23:31:32 <jnw222|afk> not really because not all apps work in wine
23:31:43 <jnw222|afk> launchers must (i think) and should
23:31:51 <Chazz> :/
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23:38:18 <JohnTHaller> Any stuff we add should be Wine-friendly
23:38:33 <JohnTHaller> But if the app itself doesn't run in Wine, we don't need to make it somehow
23:40:24 <Chazz> hmm :/
23:41:03 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: ie - if it's wine compatible, we should keep it that way
23:41:04 <JohnTHaller> alright, must run for food...
23:41:13 <Chazz> g'bye JohnTHaller
23:41:30 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, ya, now i've got to figure out whats making it not wine-compatable :/
23:41:35 <Gizmokid2005> cya later JohnTHaller
23:41:40 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: yeah..
23:42:03 * Chazz runs off to find someone w/ wine
23:42:57 <Gizmokid2005> I wonder if it would be worth it to install Ubuntu in Wubi and then install wine?
23:43:17 <Chazz> hmm...
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23:43:47 * Chazz would think that was a good idea, except wubi direct download ubuntu, a 12+ hour thing :/
23:50:37 <Bensawsome> ah my birthday was nice :3
23:51:32 <Gizmokid2005> shoot
23:51:35 <Gizmokid2005> I need john again
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23:53:33 <Bensawsome> lol
23:53:53 <Bensawsome> well atleast our game was fun Gizmokid2005 :3
23:54:26 <Bensawsome> dang and i can barely touch my keyboard the computer is so hot XD
23:54:43 <Gizmokid2005> lol yes it was Bensawsome
23:54:45 <Gizmokid2005> and LOL
23:55:41 <Gizmokid2005> I think if I ever decided I wanted a gaming laptop, i'd /probably/ get an alienware
23:55:44 <Gizmokid2005> as much as I hate to say it
23:55:53 <ZachThibeau> Nazi Zombies FTW
23:55:58 <Bensawsome> yarly :3
23:56:01 <Bensawsome> OH SHOOT
23:56:02 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: mmhmmm :)
23:56:16 <Bensawsome> i must have pulled the poower cord out while gaming..
23:56:23 <Bensawsome> i had 5 minutes left on it ._.
23:56:25 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005: yesterday I played the xbox version of World at war with my friend and I loved it
23:56:33 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: LOL probably
23:56:37 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: oh yeah, it's AWESOME on PC
23:56:42 <Gizmokid2005> especially with infinite ammo! :"D
23:56:42 <ZachThibeau> I pwned with a sniper :P
23:56:51 <Bensawsome> well as glade say... plug it in! plug it in!
23:56:56 <ZachThibeau> 1 hit killed 3 zombies
23:56:56 <Bensawsome> *says
23:57:04 <Bensawsome> lol
23:57:05 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: haha
23:57:10 <Gizmokid2005> when you get up there though, it's hard
23:57:12 <Bensawsome> how do you kill 10 zombies with one bullet?
23:57:13 <Bensawsome> ;D
23:57:14 <ZachThibeau> yeah I know
23:57:16 <Gizmokid2005> we were in the insane assylum
23:57:25 <Chazz> Bensawsome, REALLY good shot! :P
23:57:28 <Gizmokid2005> and once it gets past 5 or 6 it gets insance
23:57:32 <Gizmokid2005> *insane even
23:57:36 <Gizmokid2005> we died on what, 19?
23:57:37 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
23:57:43 <Gizmokid2005> I made it to 23 earlier...and holy fuck
23:57:51 <Bensawsome> yta 19
23:57:53 <Bensawsome> lol
23:57:55 <Bensawsome> wait
23:57:58 <Bensawsome> by yourself?!
23:58:05 <Gizmokid2005> no
23:58:08 <Gizmokid2005> with another friend.
23:58:11 <Bensawsome> oh good
23:58:16 <Bensawsome> otherwise i woulda freaked out ;D
23:58:29 <Bensawsome> oh and Gizmokid2005 U SWEARED ._>
23:58:38 <Chazz> OMG!
23:58:41 <Bensawsome> on #portableApps D:
23:58:43 <Bensawsome> lol
23:58:45 <Gizmokid2005> lol I did
23:58:52 <Bensawsome> you gonna get kicked!
23:58:53 <Bensawsome> lol
23:58:54 * Chazz votes we kill the logbot and hack the logs
23:59:03 * Bensawsome seconds
23:59:10 * Chazz gets the axe
23:59:18 <Gizmokid2005> once in a while it's ok
23:59:19 * Bensawsome gets the scripts
23:59:25 <Bensawsome> lol
23:59:34 <Chazz> lol