IRC Log from 2009-08-18

00:04:28 <mino> can i use delphi 7?
00:04:56 <mino> i found a delphi 7 cd in my cds
00:05:01 <mino> ;)
00:06:24 <alpha1beta> I don't know, but..
00:06:32 <alpha1beta> JohnTHaller, will delphi7 work to compile the menu?
00:08:04 <JohnTHaller> nope
00:08:09 <JohnTHaller> 2003 or greater only
00:08:16 <mino> ahhhhh
00:08:37 <alpha1beta> Thanks, mino 07 is free to download and use but you have to register
00:08:50 <alpha1beta> I think its 07, might be 03, but it works
00:09:00 <mino> do you have a link?
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00:09:07 <alpha1beta> I can get one
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00:10:07 <JohnTHaller> I think there is a trial of 2007, but I don't think it lets you add components (which we use)
00:10:20 <alpha1beta> there is a trial of 09
00:10:34 <alpha1beta> looks like this might be free http://www.codegear.com/products/delphi/2006
00:11:13 <mino> johnthaller will resource hackker work to remove the logo
00:11:20 <mino> i hope thats not offensive
00:11:56 <JohnTHaller> probably not. it's built-in and will probably fail to run without it. why do you want to remove it?
00:11:59 <mino> i just want the program to be kinda discrete you know
00:12:17 <alpha1beta> I think that currupts it, but its worth a shot, I would try it on a new download not your existing meny
00:12:47 <mino> is that true johnthaller?
00:12:49 <JohnTHaller> If you're running it somewhere you're not supposed to, removing the logo won't help. The admins will be able to tell you used it. Including by your network traffic.
00:13:03 <JohnTHaller> There's really no such thing as stealth software.
00:13:28 <mino> i just dont want students next to me know that i use it
00:14:06 <alpha1beta> you could use it without the menu
00:14:07 <mino> i know we
00:14:08 <alpha1beta> just the apps
00:14:12 <JohnTHaller> You can make it fit in better with the new beta and the linked Windows 7 theme http://portableapps.com/node/20013
00:14:14 <mino> re supposed to spread it but
00:14:30 <alpha1beta> ok, on here Turbo Delphi 2006 explorer, I think this works https://downloads.embarcadero.com/free/delphi
00:14:37 <alpha1beta> make sure to get the english one
00:15:04 <JohnTHaller> or a vista theme: http://portableapps.com/node/20392
00:15:37 <alpha1beta> if it's a school computer, it probably run the win2k theme
00:15:39 <JohnTHaller> there will be an XP one, too. but no matter how you theme it, people will be able to tell you're not using the PC. students are smart!
00:15:49 <JohnTHaller> there is a win2k one somewhere, I think
00:15:57 <alpha1beta> ptc probably
00:16:04 <JohnTHaller> yeah, which won't work with 2.0
00:16:22 <alpha1beta> umm your right, but that's not that hard to convert it
00:17:04 <mino> so there is absolutely no way to just hide or competely remove the "portable apps your digital..."?
00:17:18 <alpha1beta> the splash screen, or the menu?
00:17:29 <mino> the menu
00:17:40 <mino> i photoshoped the splash screens
00:18:06 <alpha1beta> on the menu, you have to recompile it, but I bet you could make a theme and color it similar to hide most of the text, just match the color up and it will hide it/make it harder to read
00:18:42 <mino> how would i go about recompiling it?
00:18:51 <mino> i have the source
00:18:57 <Chazz> mino, w/ delphi
00:18:59 <JohnTHaller> how does photoshopping the splash screens make them less obious?
00:19:03 <mino> but idk where the image file is
00:19:26 <mino> cause at the bottom it says portable apps
00:19:31 <alpha1beta> JohnThaller, change what it says, so when an app opens it doesn't say portableapps.com
00:20:04 <mino> actually the logo isnt a problem
00:20:08 <JohnTHaller> yeah, but with the splash it still means you're running something you're not supposed to, doesn't it?
00:20:18 <mino> but i would just like to hide the text
00:20:23 <mino> no
00:20:44 <mino> i just dont wanna leave a trace
00:21:00 <mino> like it says in most apps' descriptions
00:21:04 <alpha1beta> mino if your not allowed to use it, you will be caught, sysadmins are good, in my school we used Italc to watch what every kid was doing, I know,I helped
00:21:13 <JohnTHaller> considering the normal apps have no splashes, any splash is a tip-off to others watching you.
00:21:34 <mino> can they be disabled?
00:21:46 <alpha1beta> yes, in the nsi scripts
00:21:47 <mino> i cahnged hidesplash=false to true
00:21:55 <mino> but nothing happened
00:22:00 <alpha1beta> just remove everything about the splash
00:22:03 <JohnTHaller> and, honestly, if the sysadmins are good, you WILL get caught. if your school or office has rules against portable software, you shouldn't use it. they all leave traces on Windows that you can't remove without admin rights. and on their network they know what you are using (firefox, pidgin, thunderbird, etc)
00:22:12 <alpha1beta> and that had to be recompiled into the exe
00:22:52 <alpha1beta> we expelled a kid for having a portable hard drive and ophcrack on it, sysadmins don't mess around
00:22:52 <JohnTHaller> we always advise against using it in places you shouldn't. it's not stealth. no software you run from a flash drive is stealth. and any that advertises itself as stealth is lying.
00:23:03 <mino> well i mostly use firefox because the flash player plugin at school is outdated
00:23:42 <JohnTHaller> side note - be sure you have the latest flash player in FFP as any before last week's release is vulnerable to a remote code exploit.
00:23:58 <alpha1beta> gotta love flash :D
00:24:15 <JohnTHaller> yeah, that was a bad one
00:24:22 <mino> what about this---> "without leaving any personal information behind."
00:24:35 <JohnTHaller> no personal information =/= no trace
00:24:45 <mino> good one
00:24:47 <mino> sorry
00:24:48 <alpha1beta> no personal info means no usernames or passwords
00:24:49 <JohnTHaller> =/= stealth
00:24:49 <mino> anyeay
00:24:51 <mino> anyway
00:24:54 <alpha1beta> does not mean cache and sucjh
00:25:07 <JohnTHaller> actually cache would be personal... we don't leave that either
00:25:34 <JohnTHaller> but you can tell an app was run from the registry. and from the precache on Windows. for example.
00:26:51 <mino> so is pidgin really safe?
00:27:35 <JohnTHaller> safe in terms of it not being bugg or leaving stuff behind. but the sysadmins know exactly which IM networks you're using
00:28:19 <JohnTHaller> they can monitor that at the network level, which is typical in any school or office. the only way around that would be to use tor to encrypt all the traffic. but using something like that at a school or office is usually enough to get you expelled or fired.
00:29:38 <mino> so are there any other apps that work like your menu platform?
00:31:38 <JohnTHaller> We don't support or recommend competing menus :-P heh. Though or apps should work with them in most cases.
00:32:13 <JohnTHaller> But there are tons of menus out there PStart, 8Start, ASuite, Geek, RocketDock, etc, etc.
00:32:22 <JohnTHaller> Some are better supported than others.
00:33:00 <mino> i cant run delphi 2009
00:33:14 <mino> my system requirements are too crappy
00:33:54 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, you'd need to change some stuff from our code to compile it on it anyway. Ours is ASCII and the new Delphi is Unicode. We're gonna switch to it eventually.
00:34:12 <mino> what did you compile it with?
00:34:16 <JohnTHaller> Just a matter of time and money.
00:34:26 <JohnTHaller> Delphi 2003 which is ASCII-only
00:34:31 <mino> oh
00:34:37 <JohnTHaller> That's why it still works on Win9x/Me
00:34:46 <mino> so would removing the image be possible on that program?
00:35:12 <JohnTHaller> You'd have to recompile it, but yeah. And you'll need a full version, since the lite ones don't let you add components.
00:35:30 <mino> oh
00:35:42 <mino> is 2003 available for download?
00:36:19 <JohnTHaller> Don't think so. It was a $1000 program.
00:36:30 <mino> :/
00:36:34 <mino> damn
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00:38:46 <alpha1beta> hello pa_5534 can we help you?
00:39:21 <pa_5534> hey just wondering if can anyone here help me install a portiable version of winamp?
00:39:47 <alpha1beta> is it the launcher that was in our beta testing forums?
00:40:07 <pa_5534> yes
00:40:23 <alpha1beta> then yes, someone can, but I would not be the one to ask
00:40:45 <pa_5534> ok thanks
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00:42:27 <pa_5534> i tried the help section on the website under the Adding Apps to the PortableApps.com menu link but can't get it to work.
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00:49:26 <alpha1beta> later guys, and congrads again John
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00:52:10 <ZachThibeau> ok upgrade time
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01:22:57 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> YAY for college. Win7 Ultimate final - HERE I COME!
01:22:58 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> :D
01:23:18 <Bensawsome> lol
01:23:24 <Bensawsome> wha Gizmokid2005|AFK?
01:23:28 <Bensawsome> i already had it
01:23:32 <Bensawsome> :P
01:23:35 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> the FINAL?
01:23:41 <Bensawsome> ya the FINAL:
01:23:45 <Bensawsome> from msdn
01:23:46 <Chazz> ^_^
01:23:48 <Bensawsome> remember?
01:23:49 <Bensawsome> :P
01:23:54 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> nope
01:24:00 <Bensawsome> lol
01:24:04 <Bensawsome> shoot
01:24:12 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005|AFK, RTM version
01:24:12 <Bensawsome> i need to burn vista and 7...
01:24:16 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> Chazz: no
01:24:18 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> final
01:24:28 <Chazz> wuts the diff?
01:24:29 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> it's Pro, not ultimate - my bad
01:24:37 <Bensawsome> Gizmokid2005|AFK: http://www.bensawsome.com/images/cmds/fail.jpg
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01:24:40 <Bensawsome> ;p
01:24:43 <Chazz> lol
01:24:44 <Bensawsome> lol
01:25:00 <Chazz> and, Gizmokid2005|AFK how'd u get the final?
01:25:07 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> Chazz: MSDNAA
01:25:16 <Chazz> whats the AA?
01:25:23 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> Academic Alliance
01:25:36 <Chazz> oh :/
01:25:45 <Chazz> normal MSDN doesnt have it?
01:25:54 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> idk
01:25:58 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> don't have MSDN anymore
01:26:01 * Chazz checks
01:26:15 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is off
01:26:27 <Chazz> obai Gizmokid2005|AFK :'(
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01:28:59 <Chazz> .t cst
01:29:00 <pabot> Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:42:02 CST
01:29:04 <Chazz> :/
01:29:13 <ZachThibeau> .t ast
01:29:13 <pabot> Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:42:16 AST
01:29:16 <Chazz> well, 3 days ago a new win7 pro was released on msdn
01:29:32 * ZachThibeau upgraded to windows 7 ultimate
01:29:54 <Chazz> yay :D
01:31:07 <Chazz> oh cool!
01:31:18 <Chazz> Win Server 2k8 R2 is out!
01:31:33 <ZachThibeau> the upgrade was for my desktop though Chazz >_<
01:31:40 <ZachThibeau> my laptop is still pro :P
01:31:47 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, ah, nice :P
01:33:35 <Chazz> oh, wait, the x86 Pro final for Win7 was relesed today :D
01:33:38 * Chazz downloads
01:34:02 <excid3> Chazz: was it?
01:34:08 <Chazz> it was
01:34:23 * excid3 signs into bizspark
01:34:31 <excid3> Ah crap...nevermind. Man I hate dialup.
01:34:47 <Chazz> ya, it would take u like, a week
01:34:53 <ZachThibeau> try a year
01:35:05 <Chazz> ya :P
01:35:17 <excid3> I dunno
01:35:37 <excid3> I can download a lot on dialup if it's not being used for anything else
01:36:31 <Chazz> excid3, took ben (on his 30something mb connection) a few hrs to get the rtm downloaded. it'll take you forever and a day
01:37:07 <excid3> I was trying to keep my self esteem Chazz, thanks for ruining it for me. :P
01:37:15 <ZachThibeau> >_<
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01:38:43 <Chazz> lol
01:41:24 <ZachThibeau> anyways sleep time for me
01:41:32 <ZachThibeau> night y'all
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01:41:33 <Chazz> night za
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02:07:19 <Bensawsome> SergentSiler!
02:07:22 <SergentSiler> nom
02:07:23 <Bensawsome> I HAVE THE FUNNIEST PIC
02:07:25 <Chazz> SergentSiler!
02:07:28 <Bensawsome> its one of my friends
02:07:31 <Bensawsome> fuckin hilarious
02:07:38 <SergentSiler> Bensawsome, different chan?:P
02:07:53 <Chazz> heh
02:08:00 <Chazz> Bensawsome, u swore in #PortableApps
02:08:20 <Bensawsome> ???
02:08:22 <Bensawsome> shoot
02:08:24 <Bensawsome> my bad
02:08:25 <Bensawsome> ._.
02:08:27 <SergentSiler> lol
02:08:30 <Chazz> lol
02:08:31 * SergentSiler gives Bensawsome a cookie
02:08:33 * Bensawsome though we were in #silerSpot >_>
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02:48:06 <Chazz> Hello robotds3
02:48:16 <robotds3> hi
02:50:57 <robotds3> how do I install a new version of firefox portable?
02:51:15 <robotds3> I currently have an older version on my thumb drive.
02:51:26 <Chazz> just run the new installer
02:51:46 <robotds3> alright thanks Chazz
02:51:52 <Chazz> yw :)
02:51:54 <Chazz> have a nice day
02:52:00 <robotds3> you too
02:52:06 <Chazz> thanks :)
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02:55:39 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, could you please censor this a bit: http://portableapps.com/node/20408#comment-125708 ?
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03:12:17 <JohnTHaller> Ok, anyone wanna see an updater progress shot?
03:12:47 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: definitely :D
03:13:35 <Chazz> ya!
03:14:46 <JohnTHaller> Ok, no real change on the updater screen itself, same deal there: http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterPreview2.png
03:16:10 <JohnTHaller> But I added more into to the adding new apps screen. No version numbers (since you're adding a new app, it's not as important) which gives us room for install size. Also shows space free at the top: http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterAddPreview3.png
03:16:32 <Gizmokid2005> very nice JohnTHaller!!
03:16:44 <Gizmokid2005> are you going to try to include the apps' icon or would that be too much?
03:17:01 <JohnTHaller> We'd need to download them all, which is kinda annoying for the end user.
03:17:08 <Chazz> looks great JohnTHaller!
03:17:09 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
03:17:13 <Gizmokid2005> in that case, I agree :)
03:17:18 <JohnTHaller> I have some pre-alpha code to do it and use 7z to unzip em. may use it. we'll see.
03:17:43 <excid3> looking good JohnTHaller
03:18:04 <JohnTHaller> But I have the add screen only showing apps you don't have installed yet. No version (since it's not as important). Description is first (since that'
03:18:14 <JohnTHaller> s what people want followed by download and install size).
03:18:34 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, that makes sense
03:18:44 <JohnTHaller> Then update only shows apps you do have and includes the version number and download size first since that's more important than the description in that case.
03:18:56 <Gizmokid2005> right, since you already have it installed
03:21:17 <JohnTHaller> and it's properly switching between Add vs Update mode via calls from the menu, so it's almost there. I just need to finish up the localization calls and then push it live as a beta.
03:21:38 <Chazz> yay! :D
03:22:43 <excid3> Which mode is launched if you run it explicitly?
03:22:55 <JohnTHaller> update
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03:23:05 <JohnTHaller> but it's not made to be run solo
03:23:30 <excid3> Yeah
03:23:30 <JohnTHaller> actually, it'll work fine in update mode solo. but without the menu/platform running, the installers won't run in auto mode.
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03:27:42 <excid3> Nice
03:28:02 <excid3> It should be an extremely handy addition to have the updater
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03:51:26 <JohnTHaller> Alright... bedtime. Gnight all.
03:51:44 <excid3> night JohnTHaller
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05:56:29 <Chazz> hey gluxon
05:56:51 <gluxon> hi
05:59:43 <gluxon> Chazz: Play wolf with me in ##jswolfbot
06:04:40 <Chazz> btw, gluxon
06:07:24 <gluxon> ?
06:07:37 <Chazz> have you tried bash portable yet?
06:08:50 <gluxon> no, sorry.
06:09:23 <gluxon> I didn't even know it's been uploaded.
06:09:23 <Chazz> oh, ok :)
06:09:41 <Chazz> gosh, don't you ever look at the beta forums! :P
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06:10:23 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, do you know where windows stores the PATH varibles?
06:10:42 <ChrisMorgan> In the registry.
06:10:47 <Chazz> ok
06:10:50 <ChrisMorgan> Are you just wanting to know what they are?
06:11:04 <Chazz> you dont happen to know where in the registry, do you?
06:11:24 <gluxon> I do.
06:11:28 <ChrisMorgan> Me
06:11:29 <ChrisMorgan> too
06:11:42 <Chazz> ok, would someone please tell me?
06:11:47 <Chazz> plz
06:11:52 <gluxon> okay, you tell him :P
06:11:55 <ChrisMorgan> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Environment or similar
06:12:01 <ChrisMorgan> I'll check...
06:12:05 <gluxon> I'm lazy...
06:12:12 * ChrisMorgan agrees
06:12:12 <Chazz> thanks Chris :)
06:12:28 * Chazz also agrees :P
06:12:30 <ChrisMorgan> might have been Microsoft\Windows\CurrentControlSet\Environment
06:13:33 <gluxon> BTw, ChrisMorgan, what time is it over there?
06:13:41 <ChrisMorgan> .t AEST
06:13:42 <pabot> Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:26:48 AEST
06:14:11 <Chazz> gluxon, shouldn't you be in bed?
06:14:11 <gluxon> 4 pm?
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06:14:33 <gluxon> I am in bed :P
06:14:36 <Chazz> and, it's about 4:30PM where Chris is
06:14:39 <Chazz> nice :P
06:15:27 <gluxon> I always have to be up at 2:00 in the morning to see Chris on the IRC...
06:15:33 <Chazz> heh
06:15:34 <Chazz> u
06:15:37 <Chazz> ve
06:15:47 <Chazz> not been around at 2 AM any time recently
06:16:20 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: if you were on all the time you would find that that's not true.
06:16:26 <ChrisMorgan> Now go to sleep.
06:16:38 <Chazz> quite often he's not here till like 5AM
06:16:49 <gluxon> ?
06:17:13 <Chazz> gluxon, often Chris doesn't get here till like 5 AM
06:17:20 <ChrisMorgan> Sometimes (e.g. Saturday), I'm on 6-7 hours earlier
06:17:39 <gluxon> I can't, I slept all today (or yesterday) because of a dumb road trip. :P
06:18:31 <ChrisMorgan> .g registry environment variable location
06:18:32 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: http://vlaurie.com/computers2/Articles/environment.htm
06:18:33 <gluxon> And I had to be in the car for 24 hours... twice.
06:18:37 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, whats this sleep thing you talk about?
06:19:04 <ChrisMorgan> It's something that no-one gets enough of.
06:19:09 <ChrisMorgan> Like money.
06:19:36 <gluxon> heh.
06:19:48 <ChrisMorgan> ANYway, let's talk about something useful.
06:19:53 <ChrisMorgan> Like Manta! :-)
06:20:05 <ChrisMorgan> The start page is shaping up now...
06:20:14 <gluxon> ? You mean Santa?
06:20:22 <ChrisMorgan> :/
06:20:22 <Chazz> no, manta
06:20:23 <ChrisMorgan> No
06:20:31 <ChrisMorgan> Manta.
06:20:44 <ChrisMorgan> As in a manta ray if you're speaking of animals.
06:20:51 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, you should make a christmas edition called Santa need 12/25 :P
06:20:57 <gluxon> ? Who/what is a Manta?
06:20:57 <ChrisMorgan> Or http://code.google.com/p/manta-server if you're talking of software.
06:21:09 <Chazz> .wik manta ray
06:21:11 <ChrisMorgan> A manta is a cute animal. Similar to a sting ray
06:21:12 <pabot> "The manta ray (Manta birostris), is the largest of the rays, with the largest known specimen having been more than 7.6 m (about 25 ft) across, with a weight of about 2,300 kg (about 5,000 lb)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manta_ray
06:21:18 <Chazz> lol
06:21:23 <Chazz> cute?
06:21:38 <ChrisMorgan> Yes :D
06:21:58 <gluxon> ... wow... this is really useful.
06:22:00 <Chazz> ^_^
06:22:20 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: you mean my project, or this discussion?
06:23:10 <gluxon> ? You're project?
06:23:33 <ChrisMorgan> Grammar, please... your, not you're which means you are
06:23:42 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, he means
06:23:48 <Chazz> You are project
06:24:12 <gluxon> Whoops...
06:25:02 <gluxon> Howl about you play wolf with Chazz and I :P
06:25:16 <Chazz> ya, ChrisMorgan play wolf!
06:25:26 <ChrisMorgan> What are you guys talking abuot?
06:25:28 <ChrisMorgan> *about
06:25:43 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, the werewolf IRC game
06:25:53 <ChrisMorgan> :/ - which is my answer
06:25:57 <gluxon> /join ##jswolfbot
06:26:04 <Chazz> join ##jswolfbot
06:26:14 <ChrisMorgan> You've still never told me what it *is*
06:26:28 <gluxon> I can't believe you don't know about wolf :(
06:26:39 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, it's a lot easier to just have you watch that it is explain it :P
06:32:24 <ChrisMorgan> Well I vote that http://portableapps.com/node/20408#comment-125708 should get jamcomm banned. Completely uncalled for like that.
06:34:08 <Chazz> yup, i agree
06:34:20 <Chazz> i asked JTH if he could censor that earlier
06:34:25 <Chazz> he never said anything tho
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06:48:58 <ChrisMorgan> .seen JohnTHaller
06:48:58 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: I last saw johnthaller at 2009-08-18 04:04:31 UTC on #portableapps
06:49:15 <ChrisMorgan> palogbot: uri
06:49:15 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-08-18#T06-49-15
06:52:44 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i had to think of something awesome to make that would rival your Manta Server, so I'm writing an IRC Bot in LOLCode... (Mants is still cooler though)
06:52:57 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
06:53:24 <Chazz> s/Mants/Manta
06:54:42 <ChrisMorgan> So two days in a row I've missed John by a couple of hours...
06:55:06 <Chazz> wake up earlier? ;-
06:55:09 <Chazz> )
06:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: I don't tend to wake up at 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
06:55:48 <Chazz> huh...
06:55:58 <Chazz> thats 2 hrs earlier than i wake up normally
06:56:07 <ChrisMorgan> :S
06:58:09 <Chazz> ok, i'm now quite sure that the only people who like Bash Portable live in Australia :/
06:58:23 <ChrisMorgan> Who?
06:58:26 <Chazz> Or about the same time zone :/
06:58:42 <Chazz> and, everyone that actually downloads Bash Portable :/
07:00:34 <ChrisMorgan> Ah... he tries to sell for $52 $11,900 of software... to an undercover agent who haggles it down to $45. Now he has $195,000 of "statuatory damages" and $15,563 of lawyer fees to pay :D
07:01:21 <Chazz> lol, that was interesting...
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07:06:21 <Chazz> you broked yourself chris :/
07:06:30 <Chazz> gluxon, sleep tiem naow?
07:06:31 <ChrisMorgan> I thought I would.
07:06:40 <Chazz> what did you do?
07:06:42 <ChrisMorgan> I'd accidentally opened the help panel
07:06:52 <ChrisMorgan> And I went to close it because it takes too much space.
07:06:58 <ChrisMorgan> And unsurprisingly it crashed.
07:07:03 <ChrisMorgan> I really should update to a newer build.
07:07:13 <Chazz> oh
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07:36:43 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, do you know if there's a way to set PATH varibles w/o messing w/ the registry?
07:37:07 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: permanently or just for the process and its children?
07:37:17 <Chazz> just for the process
07:37:22 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS?
07:38:13 <Chazz> PA.c launcher/program it launches, so ya NSIS i guess
07:38:26 <ChrisMorgan> ReadEnvStr $0 PATH
07:38:27 <ChrisMorgan> System::Call 'Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariableA(t, t) i("PATH", "$0;$EXEDIR\App\whatever").n'
07:38:56 <Chazz> ok, and then ,how would you get rid of that?
07:39:47 <ChrisMorgan> `System::Call 'Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariableA(t, t) i("PATH", r0).n'` will revert it to the original PATH, but why would you want to do that?
07:39:53 <ChrisMorgan> It's process-specific
07:39:57 <Chazz> oh
07:40:17 <Chazz> but, when the process dies, will it disappere too?
07:40:23 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
07:40:27 <Chazz> ah, ok
07:40:30 <ChrisMorgan> It's process-specific.
07:40:46 <ChrisMorgan> Setting environment variables is done by most of our launchers.
07:40:53 <Chazz> oh :/
07:41:09 <Chazz> so, that would effect the file that was launched too, right?
07:41:22 * Chazz thinks wait, duh of course
07:41:24 <ChrisMorgan> It will affect all sub-processes.
07:41:29 <Chazz> ok
07:43:04 <Chazz> well, now it's time to quadrupal the amount of code in the bash portable launcher :/
07:43:55 <ChrisMorgan> Whyfore?
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08:26:16 <prapper> Hey, there's a chicken on fire in the forums:-)
08:41:31 <Chazz> prapper, what
08:47:37 <prapper> spam in the forums
08:47:50 <Chazz> prapper, link plz
08:48:15 <prapper> http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-15_-_bonkenc_portable_1.0.13
08:48:32 <prapper> http://portableapps.com/user/122216
08:48:44 <Chazz> wow... ur right :/
08:49:19 <prapper> :-)
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08:58:20 <beginner> hi all
08:58:38 <mjj> hi
08:58:40 <beginner> i am beginner
08:58:48 <beginner> about portable apps
08:58:57 <mjj> me too either
08:59:25 <beginner> i want you help me deployment a project that develop by .net
09:00:11 <beginner> that my app can portable using usb flash, please help me now
09:01:27 <Chazz> beginner, .net apps can't be portable
09:02:24 <mjj> because .Net isn't installed on all computers
09:02:28 <beginner> ohh
09:02:44 <mjj> i recommend you to read this = http://portableapps.com/node/14868
09:03:06 <beginner> so what 's language can deployment for portable apps
09:03:17 <beginner> ooh, thanks so much
09:03:42 <Chazz> beginner, anything that doesn't need extra dependancies like peryl, python, .net, etc
09:04:17 <Chazz> and, also you might want to look at http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/dotnet_portable_apps/ for more info on why .net cant be a portable app
09:04:37 <beginner> oh thanks so much
09:04:54 <Chazz> yw :)
09:04:59 <Chazz> have a nice day
09:04:59 <beginner> you are very excellent
09:05:07 <Chazz> thanks :)
09:05:25 <beginner> it's guru about portable apps
09:05:44 <Chazz> :)
09:06:42 <Chazz> oh, and also, here's a field guide for making a portable apps beginner http://portableapps.com/node/14868
09:07:04 <beginner> oh yeah,
09:07:44 <beginner> could you intro about language to develop portable apps
09:08:34 <Chazz> language as in language of the actual app, or of the launcher?
09:10:05 <beginner> language of the actual app
09:10:13 <beginner> ;)
09:11:48 <Chazz> well, other than Java, basically every other language that needs dependancies is not able to be a portable apps
09:12:31 <Chazz> although i think there's some way to compile python programs into a standalone exe that doesn't need python, so that /might/ be an option...
09:13:18 <beginner> oh yeah
09:14:10 <beginner> ex visual c++ able to develop portable app?
09:14:31 <Chazz> ya, i think that would work
09:15:37 <beginner> althought, .net cant run cross os but it can deployment portable app for winxp os?
09:16:07 <Chazz> nope
09:16:26 <Chazz> many XP systems don't have .Net installed
09:17:07 <beginner> yeah, i can install frameword together my app
09:17:33 <Chazz> no, if it installes something, it's not considered portable
09:17:53 <beginner> yeah i know your opinion
09:18:00 <Chazz> so it wouldn't be a /portable/ app
09:18:15 <beginner> yeah i know ;)
09:19:15 <beginner> but i only want deploy my app
09:19:37 <Chazz> as in it doesn't matter if it's portable?
09:19:51 <beginner> when i plug my usb flash so my app auto run
09:20:17 <Chazz> for that all you'd have to do was edit the autorun.inf
09:21:08 <beginner> yeah
09:21:58 <beginner> my app include have got many file type such as zip, dll, and exe file
09:22:19 <Chazz> well is there one main file to run?
09:22:26 <beginner> yeah
09:22:47 <Chazz> ya, you'd just need to make that the autorun file then
09:22:59 <beginner> pls help me
09:23:45 <Chazz> what part do you need help w/?
09:23:57 <beginner> oh yeah
09:24:08 <beginner> thank you so much
09:25:30 <Chazz> yw :)
09:25:48 <beginner> :)
09:25:51 <beginner> thanks
09:26:42 <Chazz> yw :D
09:26:48 <Chazz> have a nice day/night
09:27:16 <beginner> thanks so much
09:27:29 <Chazz> np ;)
09:27:35 <beginner> Chazz
09:27:45 <Chazz> beginner
09:27:51 <beginner> can you help me
09:27:56 <Chazz> with?
09:28:14 <beginner> how to connect to freenode@freenode/bot/connect
09:28:52 <Chazz> thats not something you connect to, thats one of freenode's bots
09:30:12 <beginner> that's mean i will emailed to freenode@freenode/bot/connect to consuling?
09:30:57 <Chazz> thats not an email address either :/
09:31:40 <beginner> ;)
09:31:56 <beginner> oh yeah
09:33:00 <beginner> thanks so much
09:33:42 <Chazz> yw ;)
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09:36:23 <beginner> wow
09:36:29 <beginner> that's right
09:36:37 <beginner> you are very cool
09:36:57 <Chazz> thnx :)
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09:42:23 <beginner> hi Chazz
09:42:39 <Chazz> hello... again
09:42:44 <beginner> yeah
09:42:55 <Chazz> long time no see, huh :P
09:43:11 <beginner> i want you help me
09:43:20 <Chazz> with?
09:43:38 <beginner> can you give me a link to download ClickOne software
09:44:11 <Chazz> never heard of it :/
09:44:12 <beginner> ClickOne that's soft to deploy app
09:44:17 <Chazz> .g lickone
09:44:18 <pabot> Chazz: http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/dewey-liccioni-anthony-liccone.html
09:44:19 <Chazz> ern
09:44:21 <Chazz> cram
09:44:24 <Chazz> gah
09:44:31 <Chazz> sorry, cant type thismorning
09:44:41 <Chazz> .g clickone
09:44:42 <pabot> Chazz: http://bytes.com/topic/c-sharp/answers/595744-what-clickone
09:44:44 <beginner> exactly ClickOnce
09:44:53 <Chazz> .g clickonce
09:44:54 <pabot> Chazz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClickOnce
09:44:59 <Chazz> ^^
09:45:24 <mjj> .g foo
09:45:25 <pabot> mjj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
09:47:09 <beginner> thanks so much
09:47:17 <Chazz> yw
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10:01:45 <Horusofoz> Spam Alert - http://portableapps.com/user/122216
10:04:03 <Chazz> Horusofoz, yup :/
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11:43:41 <m-p{3}> Wow, just found out a neat extension for firefox called ArchView, which can browse ISO, ZIP and RAR files without downloading the whole file. And you can even download only some specific files and ignore the others without getting the full archive :O
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12:20:18 <purple> m-p{3}, sounds great
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14:25:38 <Rings__> Hey does any one know how to uninstall a portable apss
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14:35:55 <Bensawsome> lol
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15:09:45 <JohnTHaller> hey Gizmokid2005
15:09:51 <Gizmokid2005> hey JohnTHaller :)
15:10:20 <JohnTHaller> SO, you think SB is ready to go?
15:10:27 <JohnTHaller> What should we set the splash to?
15:10:35 <Bensawsome> AWESOMENESS
15:10:38 <Gizmokid2005> from what I've seen, and tested, all the issues are taken care of
15:10:46 <Gizmokid2005> and as for the splash...eh, 10-15 seconds?
15:11:18 <JohnTHaller> When did it come up in 5 secs for you?
15:11:36 <Gizmokid2005> I had it running, shut it down, waited a minute, relaunched. From my ext hdd
15:12:04 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
15:12:19 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, I think it might've still been a bit cached in the system/memory
15:12:35 <JohnTHaller> All other times it was, what, 20 seconds (hd) to a minute (flash)
15:12:41 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
15:12:51 <JohnTHaller> Let's say 15 then. And I'll add a note to the page.
15:12:52 <Gizmokid2005> my flash drive took 2 full minutes to be ready, but 1 full minute to show the window
15:12:57 <Gizmokid2005> sounds like a plan.
15:14:00 <JohnTHaller> It normally runs and waits for it to clean up the reg keys, right?
15:14:10 <Gizmokid2005> Yep.
15:14:35 <JohnTHaller> Ok, need to change installer.ini then since it should look for SongbirdPortable.exe (the default)
15:14:56 <JohnTHaller> Compiling the launcher has two warnings. CheckForCrashReports label isn't used. And CharStrip function is not used.
15:15:35 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, CharStrip is part of the function I used to modify the .tree file
15:15:36 <Gizmokid2005> that's ok
15:15:42 <Gizmokid2005> The checkforcrashreports hmm
15:15:50 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but it's zeroing it out since it's not used.
15:16:21 <JohnTHaller> And I think I see that under CheckIfRunning, you skip right to ProfileWork on line 197 when that should go to CheckForCrashReports
15:16:43 <Gizmokid2005> Yep, that's where it should go
15:16:44 <Gizmokid2005> thanks
15:16:50 <JohnTHaller> (For future reference, always check your warnings, there should be absolutely none.)
15:16:57 <Gizmokid2005> k
15:17:07 <JohnTHaller> So was the checkforcrashreports and checkforextensiondirectory ever used?
15:19:55 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, they would've been. if it wasn't allowing multiple instances, and wasn't running already it should've flowed into CheckForCrashReports
15:20:53 <JohnTHaller> I know it should have. What I mean, has this section been tested. Atm, it looks like it's never been used :-(
15:21:08 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, when I was first rebuilding my launcher
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15:21:31 <JohnTHaller> Ok, you're sure it was used and happy before, right? Normally, this would require another round of testing.
15:22:02 <Gizmokid2005> yeah I am. I had a lot of testing I did during my re-write and updating the code. I had a few issues with that particular section I had to iron out
15:22:09 <JohnTHaller> Ok
15:22:13 <Gizmokid2005> like looking for the wrong directories, and not backing the previous entries right.
15:22:43 <JohnTHaller> Removed Charstrip function and renamed the include file to strstrip. Re-enabled that check section. Splash is set to 15000. Compiles without warnings now.
15:23:02 <Gizmokid2005> k, I'll do that too
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15:23:45 <JohnTHaller> stripped down your installer.ini to just be the preserve directory
15:23:52 <JohnTHaller> altered your appinfo.ini to be multilingual
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15:25:20 <Gizmokid2005> thanks
15:25:28 <JohnTHaller> all that sound right?
15:25:44 <Gizmokid2005> yeah it does, SB is multilingual so that's right
15:25:57 <Gizmokid2005> and you've just gort the following in the installer.ini?
15:25:57 <Gizmokid2005> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102801
15:25:59 <Gizmokid2005> grr
15:26:30 <Gizmokid2005> [DirectoriesToPreserve]
15:26:30 <Gizmokid2005> PreserveDirectory1=App\Songbird\extensions
15:26:41 <Gizmokid2005> just that right?
15:28:22 <JohnTHaller> yeah
15:28:26 <Gizmokid2005> K,
15:28:29 <Gizmokid2005> that should work
15:28:48 <JohnTHaller> all the languages aren't needed (it's the default). don't need the main directories section (default). don't need the close info (default)
15:29:04 <JohnTHaller> Best to go with the defaults and leave it as simple as possible when you can
15:29:17 <Gizmokid2005> alrighty, I wasn't sure the defaults so I had it there to be safe
15:29:20 <Gizmokid2005> and the source?
15:29:23 <Gizmokid2005> still including that or not?
15:32:49 <JohnTHaller> No, we don't. No need to take up the extra space on every install. And it's all available from us. And we don't require it to be distributed for every install for folks following the rules.
15:33:05 <Gizmokid2005> oke doke :) just making sure
15:33:10 <Gizmokid2005> I'll clean up my installer too
15:33:13 <Gizmokid2005> .ini
15:33:40 <JohnTHaller> I'm checking out the Songbird source code now to post to SF. I have the installer compiled and digitally signed waiting to go.
15:33:51 <Gizmokid2005> alrighty
15:34:32 <JohnTHaller> Checked out, compressing 7z
15:37:36 <Gizmokid2005> k
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15:53:06 <JohnTHaller> Songbird Portable 1.2 Released! http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-18_-_songbird_portable_1.2
15:53:13 <JohnTHaller> Thanks to Gizmokid2005!
15:53:21 <Gizmokid2005> Thanks to you too JohnTHaller! :)
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15:56:12 <ZachThibeau> congrats Gizmokid2005
15:56:19 <Gizmokid2005> thanks ZachThibeau :)
15:56:52 <ZachThibeau> :P
15:57:15 <ZachThibeau> my desktop is so cold it wouldn't startup >_<
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15:57:26 <ZachThibeau> it's up now that I warmed it up a bit
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15:57:42 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: [12:09:58] <@stevel> Gizmokid2005: awesome, i'll have our blog post published this morning
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16:00:38 <JohnTHaller> Nice :-0
16:00:48 <JohnTHaller> Don't forget to Digg it: http://digg.com/software/Songbird_Portable_1_2_Carry_Your_Music_On_Your_USB_Drive
16:01:06 <Gizmokid2005> definitely, it's next on my list after my personal blog post :D
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16:06:07 <ZachThibeau> I dug it and posted it to facebook automatically ;)
16:06:16 <Gizmokid2005> Awesome :)
16:06:32 <ZachThibeau> my digg profile is also my facebook profile :P
16:07:15 <ZachThibeau> already 4 diggs
16:07:18 <ZachThibeau> not bad
16:07:18 <Gizmokid2005> yep
16:07:23 <Gizmokid2005> you, me, john...and someone else
16:07:24 <Gizmokid2005> lol
16:09:34 <ZachThibeau> :P
16:10:47 <ZachThibeau> thanks for becoming my fan Gizmokid2005 on digg >_<
16:10:54 <Gizmokid2005> yw ZachThibeau :)
16:12:02 <ZachThibeau> lol Outlook 2007 gets notifications from gmail faster than gtalk sends me notifications >_<
16:12:46 <ZachThibeau> when I say gtalk I mean google talk
16:13:08 <Gizmokid2005> right
16:14:17 <ZachThibeau> grrr :/ I can't set my sharing in Windows 7 to windows xp :/
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16:15:36 <ZachThibeau> howdy qwertymodo :D
16:15:53 <qwertymodo> hello zachthibeau
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16:16:00 <ZachThibeau> howdy TimClark
16:16:30 <Gizmokid2005> hello TimClark!
16:16:32 <TimClark> you guys need a life :P
16:16:51 <ZachThibeau> I do have a life
16:16:52 <ZachThibeau> :P
16:17:01 <ZachThibeau> I just got off of work a couple of hours ago
16:17:32 <TimClark> yes, i know and your going to start a small software business and get a digital signature for it
16:17:34 <TimClark> :P
16:17:40 <ZachThibeau> logs ftw :P
16:17:51 <ZachThibeau> yeah I'm going to try
16:17:52 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: are you here ?
16:17:59 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: of course, I already said hI :P
16:18:19 <TimClark> sorry, ZachThibeau distracted me :P
16:18:24 <Gizmokid2005> I figured as much
16:18:42 <ZachThibeau> hey don't blame me :P
16:18:44 <TimClark> he used my name w/o a ! and so is highliged in webcrap
16:19:06 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: congrats are in order I see :D
16:19:07 <ZachThibeau> yeah Gizmokid2005 did the same thing :P
16:19:27 <Gizmokid2005> thanks TimClark :)
16:20:24 <TimClark> the title seemed a little odd, did you write it yourself ?
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16:20:55 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: of what?
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16:21:01 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?j1tkk2mtrom here is the front end I told you about for vba-m sdl binary that mudlord made for me for when I did vba-mportable
16:21:22 <TimClark> "Songbird Portable 1.2 Released by PortableApps.com" http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-18_-_songbird_portable_1.2
16:21:36 <Gizmokid2005> ahh. No, that's JohnTHaller's doing
16:21:56 <TimClark> the "by Portableapps.com" just seems odd compared to other releases :/
16:22:22 <qwertymodo> awesome thanks zachthibeau
16:22:41 <TimClark> giz is dev, giz is a dev, giz is a dev :P
16:22:52 <ZachThibeau> giz is dev/op :P
16:22:53 <Gizmokid2005> haha, yeah that I am TimClark
16:23:40 <TimClark> If there is a revison I gonna slaps you silly :/
16:23:48 <TimClark> :D
16:23:48 <ZachThibeau> O_O
16:24:13 * ZachThibeau steps back slowly in fear
16:24:17 <Gizmokid2005> Lol. I think we should be good :)
16:24:18 <ZachThibeau> :P
16:24:20 <Gizmokid2005> 1.3 should actually be up soon
16:24:39 <ZachThibeau> yay
16:24:43 <TimClark> Anyway, just stopped in to offer my congratulations to you, got to get back to work
16:24:43 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller, TimClark, ZachThibeau: http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2009/08/18/portable-songbird-12/
16:24:47 <Gizmokid2005> thanks TimClark
16:25:30 <ZachThibeau> lol
16:25:30
16:25:36 <ZachThibeau> I love that line >_<
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16:26:38 <ZachThibeau> some how I think the link didn't open a new tab for Tim
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16:36:38 <qwertymodo> zachthibeau: so the files i need to put into the Exec\VBA folder are frontend.exe vbam.exe, and sdl.dll?
16:36:46 <ZachThibeau> pretty much
16:38:12 <qwertymodo> ok, i'll play around with it :)
16:39:06 <ZachThibeau> sure thing :) and it's more advance than the one I made
16:39:53 <ZachThibeau> it's not an oss licensed program but he has given permission to use it at portableapps.com
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16:40:15 <qwertymodo> ok, will that cause any problems?
16:40:23 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Nice line by stevel
16:40:24 <ZachThibeau> nope
16:40:33 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yeah, I thought that was cool
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16:41:18 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: he gave permission as long as the binary itself is not modified aka compress with upx (no need since the thing is 80kb big >_<)
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16:42:28 <qwertymodo> JohnTHaller: since you're on, I might as well run it past you, will it be ok to include a closed-source frontend (with permission) for an OSS program?
16:43:22 <qwertymodo> specifically for vba-m, as i've been discussing with zachthibeau?
16:43:42 <ZachThibeau> the sdl binary of vba-m that only uses sdl/opengl
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16:46:43 <JohnTHaller> Hmm, we may need to think about that.
16:47:05 <JohnTHaller> I'm not a fan of someone doing closed source frontends to open source software. It's very leechy.
16:49:06 <ZachThibeau> well JohnTHaller this guy that made this frontend is on the dev team of vba-m in fact is the head developer
16:49:43 <ZachThibeau> he's just not a fan of people taking his code and adding "Junk" to it (his words not mine)
16:49:54 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... odd that they'd choose to go that way. In that case it's a bit different. So, yeah, I think I'd be cool with that
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16:51:55 <qwertymodo> zachthibeau: i would guess the closed source nature of the front-end perhaps stems from the same issues making you look into digitally signing vba-m?
16:52:01 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Developer/Articles/Builds/Contributed_Builds
16:52:04 <Gizmokid2005> we're on there too :)
16:52:41 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: seperate issue, the reason I want to get a digital signature for vba-m is someone is taking our releases and calling it their own
16:52:52 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice :-)
16:53:43 <qwertymodo> ah, i see. so a similar, yet unrelated issue i guess
16:53:53 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: and they were claiming to fix bugs that don't even exist in our build and not even providing the source to prove it
16:55:17 <qwertymodo> wow, that's pretty lame
16:55:50 <ZachThibeau> yeah it is
16:57:04 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: looks like some more spam in the U3 apps section
16:57:31 <JohnTHaller> I know. Don't touch it. I'm installing a spam module and need it to analyze it.
16:57:43 <Gizmokid2005> I can't so :) and yay for spam module :)
16:57:51 <qwertymodo> Gizmokid2005 congrats on the release, I hadn't really looked at it much until now, and after finding out it supports iPod syching I may finally ditch iTunes completely :)
16:58:07 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: thanks :) I know they've been working hard in iPod support
16:58:26 <ZachThibeau> they even open sourced the exention
16:58:35 <qwertymodo> I had been playing around with some of the old WinAMP launchers from the forums, but now I won't bother
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17:01:15 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: nope, no need to
17:01:27 <Gizmokid2005> it was a heck of a launcher to write too considering that they use Hex files for the watch folder stuff
17:02:27 <qwertymodo> Do you know if synching an iPod with SongBird will remove the videos from the iPod or will it just leave them alone? I suppose manually managing would be fine, but I prefer to manage the library in the app and then just sync with the device.
17:02:45 <Gizmokid2005> I can't say for sure, I don't sync my ipod with Songbird yet.
17:02:49 <Gizmokid2005> I still sync with itunes on my mac
17:03:00 <qwertymodo> ok, guess I'll just have to try it out ;)
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17:06:51 * qwertymodo just successfully imported my Majora's Mask Project64 save file into Wii Virtual Console :D
17:09:15 <ZachThibeau> nice
17:09:40 <ZachThibeau> I actually liked MM I prefer ocarina of time though to -ot though it should be in
17:10:22 <Gizmokid2005> LOL. JohnTHaller, see this comment:: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-18_-_songbird_portable_1.2#comment-125833
17:10:23 <Gizmokid2005> lol
17:10:27 <qwertymodo> ah alright
17:14:46 <ZachThibeau> wow >_< I guess he doesn't know this is free in general and that you are the person that released that one >_<
17:16:01 <Gizmokid2005> the fact that its free in general is what gives me the chuckle. I honestly don't mind if people think john did it. I'm just happy to have contributed something that people will certainly use.
17:16:37 <Bensawsome> wow fail Gizmokid2005 :/
17:16:41 <Bensawsome> thats comment...
17:16:44 <Bensawsome> :/
17:17:44 <JohnTHaller> heh
17:18:03 <qwertymodo> hey zachthibeau, I was just looking through my testing folder and I have a VisualBoyAdvanceM.exe that's 800kb and a vbam.exe that's 2,478. Which one's the SDL?
17:18:13 <JohnTHaller> Odd, your name is listed as the poster of the article. well, your login is.
17:18:23 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I know.
17:18:27 <qwertymodo> the 800kb one has the icon embedded properly, the bigger one doesn't
17:18:42 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: then thats the sdl one
17:18:50 <ZachThibeau> the sdl binary doesn't have an icon
17:18:54 <ZachThibeau> never will
17:19:11 <qwertymodo> ok, that's fine just clearing out unnecessary files :)
17:19:15 <ZachThibeau> np
17:19:15 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: I added you to the team page: http://portableapps.com/about/team
17:19:36 <Gizmokid2005> thanks JohnTHaller :)
17:19:40 <Gizmokid2005> now I'm really official
17:19:43 <Gizmokid2005> :D
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17:20:02 <Gizmokid2005> oh, hello OliverK, SteveLamerton :)
17:20:09 <OliverK> hello Gizmokid2005 SteveLamerton
17:20:11 <SteveLamerton> Hello Gizmokid2005, and congrats :)
17:20:14 <SteveLamerton> Heya OliverK
17:20:18 <Gizmokid2005> thanks SteveLamerton :)
17:21:28 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
17:21:50 <JohnTHaller> hi SteveLamerton
17:22:06 <JohnTHaller> Just added a few more stories to the press page: http://portableapps.com/about/press/news
17:22:12 <SteveLamerton> Heya ZachThibeau, JohnTHaller
17:22:45 <SteveLamerton> Out of interest why the extra long Songbird title?
17:23:36 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: this is for the latest link in the news article for http://www.buffalonews.com/ is broken there
17:23:39 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: the news page - the Most recent item is broke
17:23:39 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
17:23:48 <JohnTHaller> Gonna probably do that for new releases. It's so as they get picked up and tweeted and stuff they get to keep our name on it
17:24:25 <JohnTHaller> heh fixed
17:24:30 <OliverK> congrats Gizmokid2005
17:24:37 <Gizmokid2005> thanks OliverK
17:26:33 <SteveLamerton> Ahh I see :)
17:27:35 <JohnTHaller> Ok, added Songbird Portable to the updater info.
17:27:39 <qwertymodo> zachthibeau: is mudlord actively working on this frontend still?
17:27:52 <JohnTHaller> Now to finish the updater :-)
17:28:20 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I'm still looking forward to that (even though with my RSS I'm usually quick to update)
17:28:40 <JohnTHaller> Oh for anyone who missed it last night, I added some stuff to the add mode of the updater. Here's what it looks like now: http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterAddPreview3.png
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17:29:55 <SteveLamerton> Looks nice JohnTHaller :)
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17:31:22 <mino> will removing the splash screens from the apps' source folder affect it negatively?
17:31:36 <Gizmokid2005> mino: no, but it will get replaced when you isntall again
17:31:43 <Gizmokid2005> and you wont' be able to compile the launcher without it.
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17:55:19 <LOGAN> i found some funny screen capture tool. it makes a screencapture, uploads it to sourceforge and copies url into clipboard
17:55:50 <LOGAN> http://vvcap.net
17:56:02 <LOGAN> users dont need own webspace set up
17:56:37 <LOGAN> might be ideal for quick showing a screenshot (or part).
18:01:46 <OliverK> laters all
18:01:51 <OliverK> time to get ready for class
18:02:07 <LOGAN> bye
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18:04:17 <LOGAN> anyone know a good screencapture webcam combo taking an image on keypress and then automatically upload it to ftp server
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18:29:59 <qwertymodo> Is Songbird supposed to take a long time to launch the first time?
18:30:15 <JohnTHaller> yes
18:30:15 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: yes
18:30:24 <Gizmokid2005> hence the note on the page :)
18:30:26 <JohnTHaller> on flash drives it takes a long time first launch on each pc
18:30:47 <JohnTHaller> "Launch Speed: As Songbird is a more drive-intensive app, it can take as much as a minute or more to start when running from a flash drive. Please be patient."
18:31:19 <qwertymodo> Ok, it's been about 5 minutes at 50% processor for songbird.exe... from an external HDD
18:31:37 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: hmm, not quite that loing
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18:32:03 <Gizmokid2005> it should be fully ready in ~2 mins, give/take
18:32:12 <qwertymodo> well I
18:32:24 <qwertymodo> well I'll just let it run and check back
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19:03:07 <JohnTHaller> What do you guys think of this? http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test#minefield
19:03:31 <Gizmokid2005> looks good JohnTHaller
19:03:43 <Gizmokid2005> i don't know if I'd use that much of a pre of ff, but that's cool :)
19:04:39 <SteveLamerton> Looks like a neat use of the installer :)
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19:05:22 <mino> how can i correctly install the gimpshop layout?
19:05:45 <JohnTHaller> I figured I'd do it that way doe testers. Download Squad is gonna pull all the links to PortableAppZ
19:06:07 <Gizmokid2005> that's good news JohnTHaller :)
19:06:14 <mino> JohnTHaller: you don't like portable appz?
19:07:01 <qwertymodo> just checking back in, I left for awhile and came back and Songbird is running :)
19:07:08 <Gizmokid2005> mino: most of their stuff is illegal, and another good portion is a ripoff of our stuff.
19:07:10 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: good :)
19:07:16 <JohnTHaller> Someone who steals our code, removes our name, violates the GPL, violates our trademark and passes our work off as their own? I'm thinking, no.
19:07:34 <qwertymodo> does the first launch take longer than a subsequent one?
19:07:41 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: yes.
19:07:45 <qwertymodo> good :)
19:08:38 <mino> theirs sucks
19:09:34 <qwertymodo> will the "watch this directory for changes" work if I point it to my PortableApps music folder? (I'm assuming yes since it's a full blown release now)
19:09:42 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: yep.
19:09:53 <qwertymodo> just keeps getting better :D
19:09:58 <Gizmokid2005> getting the watch folders to work was the hardest part of the whole thing
19:10:19 <mino> what else are the developers working on?
19:10:23 <qwertymodo> well I'm glad you did :)
19:10:35 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: me too. Wouldn't have gone official otherwise
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19:11:09 <qwertymodo> how well do the add-ons work portably?
19:11:23 <Gizmokid2005> afaik all the extensions are portable
19:11:30 <Gizmokid2005> erm...
19:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> work portably
19:11:34 <qwertymodo> cool
19:11:44 <Gizmokid2005> if you find one to the contrary please let me know
19:11:57 <qwertymodo> I figured like FFP they would mostly work, with perhaps a hiccup here or there
19:12:08 <Gizmokid2005> it looks as if Songbird actually requires relative paths instead of hard coded, but I could be wrong
19:12:27 <qwertymodo> that's nice :)
19:13:00 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I posted it up in the forums for anyone that wants to play with it:
19:13:01 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/node/20453
19:13:34 <Gizmokid2005> Oh JohnTHaller, even better!! Always pulling from the latest trunk!?
19:13:41 <Gizmokid2005> it's like our own personal SVN :)
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19:16:16 <SteveLamerton> Nightly builds I guess Gizmokid2005
19:16:53 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: yeah :) but that's pretty close
19:17:02 <SteveLamerton> Indeed :)
19:22:12 <JohnTHaller> Yup. Now you can test it whenever you'd like :-)
19:23:51 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: Pidgin 2.6.0 must've been released today huh?
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19:24:37 <JohnTHaller> It was just released, doesn't ever show up as an update yet and hasn't even hit SF
19:25:09 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, they already have it updated on their site
19:25:13 <Gizmokid2005> and the file is missing
19:25:24 <Gizmokid2005> and there's already an email on the mailing list saying WTF where is it!?
19:25:24 <JohnTHaller> Yup. YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
19:25:28 <Gizmokid2005> ROFL
19:25:29 <Gizmokid2005> they are
19:26:58 <Gizmokid2005> Wow....a TON of fixes in it too
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19:27:50 <Dude__> Hi
19:28:04 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: LOL! apparently 2.5.9 was released today too
19:28:11 <Gizmokid2005> hello Dude__, what can we do for you?
19:28:12 <JohnTHaller> sigh
19:30:20 <Dude__> I was thinking when will PortableApps.com Platform 2.0 beta 4 be released. And try out the catogories feature
19:31:38 <Bensawsome> it will be release when it is released
19:32:14 <Dude__> Ok
19:32:20 <Dude__> Have a nice day
19:32:27 <Bensawsome> you too :)
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19:35:01 <JohnTHaller> brb... virtualbox install / network reset
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19:38:37 <ZachThibeau> howdy markomlm
19:39:01 <markomlm> Howdy Zachthibeau
19:39:06 <Gizmokid2005> hello markomlm
19:39:34 <markomlm> Hello Giszmokid2005 @all
19:39:44 <SteveLamerton> Heya markomlm
19:40:04 <markomlm> heya SteveLamerton
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19:41:07 <SergentSiler> c-c-c-COMBO BREAKER?
19:41:15 <markomlm> Does anybody know if the Environmentvariables PortableApps.comTemp and PortableApps.comDocuments still exists in the last PAM Beta?
19:42:00 <ZachThibeau> afaik it should be
19:42:21 <SteveLamerton> A couple of errors though http://portableapps.com/node/20432
19:42:30 <Gizmokid2005> hi
19:42:35 <Gizmokid2005> ermm...wrong window
19:42:39 <ZachThibeau> >_<
19:42:44 <SteveLamerton> Hi Gizmokid2005 ;)
19:44:53 <markomlm> thx
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19:52:03 <markomlm> bye
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20:22:14 <JohnTHaller> back
20:22:28 <Gizmokid2005> welcome back JohnTHaller
20:31:25 <ZachThibeau> yay :D vba-m: spacy51 * r893 /trunk/src/win32/ (Reg.cpp Reg.h VBA.cpp): Add new command line switch: "--configpath YOURPATHHERE"
20:31:34 <ZachThibeau> vba-m now supports a portable path
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20:32:15 <ZachThibeau> only added because one of our developers changed the way vba-m saved it's ini (now saves to %appdata% so this command line will allows us to make it portable again
20:32:44 <pa_9286> to what folder do i install the java thin
20:32:44 <pa_9286> ???
20:32:48 <pa_9286> thing?
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20:58:49 <qwertymodo> zachthibeau: that's good to hear, but the question is, can I pass custom command-lines through the frontend?
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20:59:09 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: don't know this is just for the mfc build
21:00:17 <qwertymodo> ok then. any luck on statically linking to D3D?
21:00:46 <ZachThibeau> only 1 version of the directx sdk allowed static linking and unfortunetly it's old
21:01:02 <qwertymodo> dang
21:01:17 <ZachThibeau> dx8 appearently was the one that could allow it
21:01:34 <ZachThibeau> I'll see about getting an opengl version cooking
21:02:22 <ZachThibeau> wait I know :D
21:02:48 <ZachThibeau> I'll just recompile the latest using NO_D3D and see if it works
21:03:10 <ZachThibeau> sometimes it's sad I don't remember this >_<
21:05:24 <ZachThibeau> since the directx dll's needed are just for direct3d (now I want to work on the portable version again /jk/)
21:05:46 <ZachThibeau> I'll setup a new windows vm and test it out
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21:09:27 <ZachThibeau> I left openal enabled which will whine about not having the openal dll file so I'll include that since I can redistribute that and I find openal gives better sound than directsound even though openal isn't selected by default
21:13:02 <ZachThibeau> so we maynot have to use the sdl binary
21:13:46 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: you taking this all in ;)
21:15:59 <qwertymodo> yeah i think so. you're saying there's a compiler switch to compile the directx version without Direct3D = no d3dxx.dll needed?
21:16:23 <ZachThibeau> I'm hoping so :)
21:16:30 <qwertymodo> that would be nice
21:16:38 <ZachThibeau> I'm installing a new vm of windows xp to test my new build
21:18:13 <qwertymodo> lol setting up a whole new vm just to compile one program. i understand, but it's funny that that's how things work out :P
21:19:09 <ZachThibeau> well I have a msdn subscription thats good for 3 years :P I may as well use it :P
21:20:54 <qwertymodo> i guess so. I'm pretty stoked about signing up for DreamSpark. not nearly as nice as a full MSDN subscription, but still has that kid-in-a-candy-store feel to it
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21:21:29 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: yup :)
21:21:51 <ZachThibeau> well mine is with Bizspark which is the same idea as DreamSpark but for business starting up
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21:22:09 <qwertymodo> yeah, i remember you saying that... lucky ;)
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21:22:42 <ZachThibeau> my feature product I'm working on is MusicPlay3000 :)
21:30:19 <ZachThibeau> almost done installing the vm
21:52:23 <excid3|work> I'm in both dreamspark and bizspark, and my school gives free msdn products as well :P
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22:38:01 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: you there?
23:01:07 <JohnTHaller> sup
23:01:35 <Gizmokid2005> judging by the comments on that thread in other apps support, should I see if I can build some more move resistance into the launcher?
23:01:46 <Gizmokid2005> or is it people not understanding?
23:03:04 <JohnTHaller> I added a note to the Songbird Portable page about it.
23:03:19 <JohnTHaller> It would be tough if they move their whole music library. Not sure we can handle that.
23:04:14 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah...the hard part would be modifying the watch folder .tree file, the rest is quite easy to modify via sqlite or something
23:04:20 <Gizmokid2005> it's the watch folder that really throws it off
23:04:37 <Gizmokid2005> just wanted to get your take on it.
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23:23:27 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I think I traced down the db folder issue...though that still won't help with people moving the music location...
23:23:40 <Gizmokid2005> it /might/ cause an issue with people who move Songbird between different folders
23:23:54 <Gizmokid2005> I'll have to test and confirm. if it's true I'll push it with 1.3
23:24:00 <Gizmokid2005> that should be out soon
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23:34:49 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, try posting a test of any launcher changes beforehand. Since with 1.3 we're gonna wanna come out same day.
23:35:23 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, will do
23:35:46 <Gizmokid2005> it should be a minor change, and it won't affect 90% of users, just the ones who move directorys with their apps
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