IRC Log from 2009-08-20

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00:44:58 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how's the launcher coming along?
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00:49:05 <ChrisMorgan> Uh oh... our year 12 class has just gone crazy... the year 12 jumpers have just arrived. :/
00:49:48 <ChrisMorgan> ... when there's only about a month left of year 12 plus another two with preparation and exams ...
00:49:56 <ChrisMorgan> I didn't get one :D
00:50:36 <Chazz> yay?
00:50:39 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I'd also like to nominate [my own] gVim Portable for release
00:50:51 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: meaning I didn't waste $75 on it
00:50:55 <Chazz> ooh
00:51:07 <ChrisMorgan> End of recess, I may be back in a couple of hours.
00:51:14 <Chazz> :o
00:51:28 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: also Inkscape Portable's completely ready when 0.47 comes out.
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00:56:04 <Bensawsome> lol
00:57:12 <excid3> Who is using pidgin 2.6.1?
00:57:19 <Gizmokid2005> me
00:57:35 <Bensawsome> me
00:57:38 <excid3> Why are certain people's names italicized?
00:57:41 <excid3> Cuz they left the room?
00:57:43 * Bensawsome looks
00:57:51 <excid3> like for me, in here ChrisMorgan is italicized
00:57:57 <excid3> nobody else though
00:58:04 <Gizmokid2005> probably recently closed?
00:58:09 <Gizmokid2005> idk, I haven't used Pidgin for IRC in a while
00:58:22 <excid3> It would make sense, nice way to tell if people aren't in the channel anymore
00:58:36 <Gizmokid2005> yeah here, check excid3, I'll part
00:58:41 <Gizmokid2005> and come back in about 20 seconds
00:58:43 <Gizmokid2005> you tell me if it happens
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00:58:54 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, whats your client?
00:58:56 <Chazz> :/
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00:59:51 <excid3> yup, that was it
00:59:59 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, whats your client?
01:00:05 <Bensawsome> desu
01:00:05 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: KVIrc
01:00:09 <excid3> thanks Gizmokid2005
01:00:09 <Bensawsome> ESPRhjeitsrh
01:00:10 <Chazz> oh, bok
01:00:12 <Bensawsome> grrr sry
01:00:15 <excid3> kind of handy feature now
01:00:15 <Bensawsome> my brother :/
01:00:20 <Chazz> lol
01:00:31 * Bensawsome goes to beat him
01:00:53 * Chazz hands Bensawsome a frying pan
01:01:02 * Bensawsome thanks Chazz ^_^
01:01:08 <Chazz> :P
01:01:50 * excid3 gives permission to beat Chazz while you're at it
01:02:19 * Chazz shanks excid3 with a dull brick
01:02:45 <excid3> lol
01:03:13 * Chazz herds us all into the -ot :P
01:04:21 <Suiseiseki> you started it thank you very much...
01:05:06 <Chazz> no, ben's bro started it :P
01:05:28 <Bensawsome> you know... its funny... when we start foolin around in here and someone says "into -ot" we all stop :/
01:05:33 <Bensawsome> ie dont do it in -ot either
01:05:34 <Bensawsome> lol
01:05:35 <Chazz> lol
01:05:42 <excid3> yep
01:05:52 <excid3> its no fun if yo u can't get in trouble
01:05:56 <Chazz> lol
01:06:11 <Suiseiseki> heck even -ot is limited
01:06:17 <Bensawsome> lololol
01:06:23 <Bensawsome> true excid3
01:06:52 <Chazz> lol
01:07:05 <Chazz> we need a -randomstufff
01:12:24 <Bensawsome> XD
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01:19:17 <Bensawsome> lol...
01:19:40 <Bensawsome> was just about to ask him if he needed anything :/
01:19:54 <Chazz> lol
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02:18:09 <qwertymodo> hey everyone
02:18:17 <Chazz> hey qwertymodo
02:18:38 <qwertymodo> JohnTHaller: The Pidgin homepage still say Pidgin 2.5.7 will be posted tomorrow (right below the download button) :P
02:19:03 <qwertymodo> and yay for 2.6.1 :)
02:21:30 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: no...it doesn't
02:21:41 <qwertymodo> I'm looking at it right now
02:21:45 <Gizmokid2005> so am I.
02:21:47 <qwertymodo> I'll copy and paste it
02:21:54 <qwertymodo> Yahoo Error - Yahoo altered their protocol. This will be fixed in Pidgin Portable 2.5.7 which will be posted tomorrow morning (NY time).
02:22:00 <Gizmokid2005> 2.6.1 adds XMPP Voice and Video support (but not on Windows yet)
02:22:03 <Gizmokid2005> that's what it is on mine
02:22:06 <Gizmokid2005> http://pidgin.im/
02:22:08 <Gizmokid2005> there right?
02:22:11 <qwertymodo> no
02:22:15 <qwertymodo> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/pidgin_portable
02:22:19 <Gizmokid2005> OOHhh
02:22:24 <Gizmokid2005> you mean the PA homepage
02:22:24 <Gizmokid2005> LOL
02:22:26 <qwertymodo> sorry the pidginPORTABLE homepage :P
02:22:35 <Gizmokid2005> there you go
02:22:36 <qwertymodo> my bad
02:22:37 <Gizmokid2005> now I agree :)
02:23:32 <qwertymodo> yeah, wouldn't do much good to complain here about pidgin.im being wrong
02:23:46 <Gizmokid2005> lol yeah
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02:39:30 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: are you around?
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02:40:22 <Chazz> wb ChrisMorgan
02:43:23 <JohnTHaller> hey ChrisMorgan how goes it?
02:43:30 <JohnTHaller> just popped back on
02:43:37 <ChrisMorgan> Fine :-)
02:44:02 <ChrisMorgan> Using webchat.freenode.net on a school machine as there's no wireless connection here.
02:44:18 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how's the PortableApps.com Launcher coming along?
02:44:53 <ChrisMorgan> All the issues in Inkscape Portable are fixed now, and it's in Feature Freeze at the moment.
02:45:25 <qwertymodo> hey JohnHaller, the PidginPortable homepage still says PidginPortable 2.5.7 will be released tomorrow :P
02:45:27 <ChrisMorgan> I myelf am now an Inkscape SVN committer for my work on that and also on the Inkscape installer which I've fixed up a lot of... NSIS experience is very useful :D
02:46:01 <JohnTHaller> ah nice
02:46:24 <ChrisMorgan> I was also wondering about gVim Portable; it's quite a popular app (I can get download stats now if you like... it was something like 1000) and with the OLE-free build it works fine. I reckon it's ready.
02:46:25 <JohnTHaller> no new launcher notes. it's a lil further down the queue due to all the other stuff. and I have two freeware apps waiting on me for it, too :-(
02:46:28 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, question, i'm working on Perl Portable and would like to know if it would be better to keep /everything/ in the /PortableApps/PerlPortable/* folder or should i put the actuall perl bianaries (all natively portable) into a PortableApps/CommonFiles/Perl dir?
02:46:53 <JohnTHaller> Chazz: is other stuff using it>?
02:47:00 <ChrisMorgan> OK, thanks. Have you been putting SQLite capabilities into it? If not, I might take a look at it.
02:47:08 <ChrisMorgan> (As done in SBP of course)
02:47:14 <ChrisMorgan> Good work on that Gizmokid2005 :-)
02:47:26 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, not yet, but i think some things that use perl could be setup to use it
02:47:46 <ChrisMorgan> Must also update Data Crow Portable... it was apparently inordinately slow, the new release is said to fix it :-)
02:47:51 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe tonight.
02:48:46 <ZachThibeau> night all
02:48:50 <Gizmokid2005> thanks ChrisMorgan
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02:49:02 <Gizmokid2005> night ZachT|ZzZz
02:49:06 <ChrisMorgan> VirtuaWin seems to get confused with hibernation, on Vista at least... I start it back up and some of my windows are in the active desktop rather than their own one they got shoved to :-(
02:49:07 <Chazz> night za
02:49:11 <ChrisMorgan> g'nite ZachT|ZzZz
02:50:12 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: other news from me is that I've been working on that XAMPP-killer I'd been planning, and it's going quite well... I ended up deciding on PHP-GTK as my language. It's really very nice.
02:50:37 <ChrisMorgan> Smaller than wxPython or PyGTK or PyQt or any other Python option.
02:50:51 <ChrisMorgan> Had you had any more thoughts on that changing the platform's language thing?
02:51:46 <Chazz> course, Perl is still the best language
02:52:09 <JohnTHaller> Oh yeah, not gonna do it quite yet. Working on a Wine solution for Mac ATM. Will worry about it after that. Been considering Qt more, actually.
02:53:08 <ChrisMorgan> I quite liked the look of Qt. But I couldn't get PHP-Qt to build within 10 minutes :P
02:53:20 <ChrisMorgan> And Qt isn't exactly small.
02:53:43 <ChrisMorgan> GTK < wxWidgets < Qt for size.
02:54:31 * ChrisMorgan is still trying to work out the column names in the COM object winmgmts:{impersonationLevel=impersonate}//./root/cimv2's Win32_Process table... and having no luck :-(
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02:54:43 <ChrisMorgan> All I need to do is find the process path...
02:54:55 <ChrisMorgan> Because PHP doesn't have a way of telling what its path is :/
02:55:34 <ChrisMorgan> You can get its process ID (getmypid()), but no path. On *nix it's $_SERVER["_"] but on Windows the _ environment variable doesn't get set :-(
02:58:42 <ChrisMorgan> FOUND IT! ExecutablePath :-)
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02:59:14 <ChrisMorgan> Now Manta will be able to restart itself properly without needing _ to be set on Win32 :-)
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03:06:04 <JohnTHaller> Sorry, my week's been a bit interupted by an injury which is slowing me down, too. Had a dr apt today and hopefully another tomorrow so I can get better.
03:06:12 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
03:06:16 <ChrisMorgan> get better :-)
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03:10:05 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, wasn't expecting it. Achilles tendon. Ow.
03:10:21 <ChrisMorgan> Ya.
03:10:32 <Chazz> ouch :/
03:10:51 <ChrisMorgan> My Dad hurt his a couple of years ago quite badly... he was unable to ride to work for over half a year.
03:11:05 <JohnTHaller> So I had to take the afternoon off and go to the podiatrist. And now I gotta go see my nephro tomorrow to see about whether I'm allowed to take ibuprofen or not.
03:11:28 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, luckily it didn't rupture. But it's agrovated something fierce.
03:11:39 <ChrisMorgan> Good, bad. :P
03:12:18 <JohnTHaller> I hope I can. The alternative is having to sit with it elevated and iced for at least 3 weeks.
03:12:54 <ChrisMorgan> Yow.
03:13:05 <Bensawsome> ??? what happened D:
03:13:13 <Bensawsome> oh ur achiles heel??? D:
03:13:15 <Bensawsome> not good :(
03:13:27 <Chazz> Bensawsome, no,
03:13:36 <Chazz> his achiles tendon
03:13:43 <Bensawsome> lol
03:13:45 * Bensawsome failed
03:13:48 <Bensawsome> eeither way though
03:14:03 <Chazz> it must hurt a lot :/
03:14:03 <Bensawsome> anythin g with ahciles and hurt inthe same sentence isnt good :(
03:14:20 <excid3> Any <greek god> <body part> counts right?
03:14:26 <Chazz> Bensawsome, your space bar needs replacing
03:14:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. It's inflamed. Which means it hurts to do just about anything. You're normally supposed to just take an anti-imflamatory... but I'm not supposed to... so I'm trying to figure it out.
03:14:43 <Bensawsome> D:
03:15:43 <ChrisMorgan> What do you think about gVim Portable though? Ready to go?
03:16:17 <Chazz> D:
03:16:24 <SrgSiler|SAFK> JohnTHaller, ice pack? :S
03:16:27 <Bensawsome> .....
03:16:50 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, one of those hot/cold pack things?
03:17:01 <Bensawsome> lol i love those things
03:17:10 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: ice packs are generally cold.
03:17:17 <ChrisMorgan> *ice* packs.
03:17:28 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, SrgSiler|SAFK was talking about ice packs
03:17:37 <Bensawsome> and they have these things
03:17:43 <Chazz> i was talking about those cool hot/cold packs you see on TV
03:17:49 <Bensawsome> which turn cold to "dull the pain" and hot to something else
03:17:54 <Bensawsome> quoting the commercial
03:17:57 <ChrisMorgan> :/
03:18:04 <Chazz> Bensawsome, i think it's hot to relax it or something
03:18:04 * ChrisMorgan is glad he doesn't have a TV
03:18:11 <Chazz> they work good tho :/
03:18:12 <Bensawsome> ah ya
03:18:21 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, you dont? O_O
03:18:24 <ChrisMorgan> Tenseness I think.
03:18:27 <ChrisMorgan> No.
03:18:58 <Chazz> wow...
03:19:02 <Bensawsome> i know its suprising Chazz but there are actually people who dont watch tv...
03:19:22 <Gizmokid2005> I rarely watch TV...very rarely
03:19:30 <dbdii407> Gizmokid2005, Same.
03:19:34 <Gizmokid2005> and Bensawsome, you are talking about the Icy Hot Patches
03:19:36 <Bensawsome> my amount of tv is going down too...
03:19:38 <excid3> TV has gone so downhill that there literally isn't anything good to watch
03:19:40 <Gizmokid2005> Icy to dull the pain and hot to relax it away
03:19:42 <Bensawsome> Gizmokid2005 exactl;y
03:19:47 <Bensawsome> lol
03:19:49 <ChrisMorgan> Well you guys are a minority.
03:19:52 <Bensawsome> <end quote>
03:19:55 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: yeah I know
03:19:59 <ChrisMorgan> Most people waste far too much time on a TV.
03:20:09 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, why do you have that memorised? :P
03:20:10 <ChrisMorgan> It's really quite seriously much easier just not having one.
03:20:15 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: yeah...
03:20:33 <Bensawsome> ChrisMorgan ya thats true unforatunely
03:20:34 <Bensawsome> :/
03:20:49 * Chazz keeps a tv or radio running for white noise, but doesnt watch it :/
03:20:50 <ChrisMorgan> UNfortunately?
03:20:54 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, truw :(
03:21:01 <Bensawsome> well the fact they waste it...
03:21:03 <Chazz> it's unfortunate that it's true
03:21:07 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: you work better with noise on!?
03:21:13 <Chazz> yup
03:21:13 <Bensawsome> lol
03:21:15 <JohnTHaller> sorry... yeah, I gotta ice it 15 min on 15 off all day
03:21:18 <Bensawsome> i usually listen to music
03:21:24 <Gizmokid2005> noise for me = music.
03:21:24 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, wow...
03:21:32 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: if you think gvim is good to go, I say we do it.
03:21:32 <Gizmokid2005> it's almost a must...keeps me focused but relaxed
03:21:35 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, normally same for me
03:21:42 <JohnTHaller> Chazz: Yeah, advil would be MUCH easier
03:21:51 <Chazz> ya :/
03:22:20 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: have a pre-existing condition wher eyou can't take the meds you ened?
03:22:22 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: thanks. I'll find the logo for ya for the splash (or see the thread, it's mentioned there somewhere)
03:22:29 <ChrisMorgan> OK, g2g now.
03:22:46 <Chazz> g'bye ChrisMorgan
03:22:48 <ChrisMorgan> Manta restarts properly :-)
03:22:54 <Gizmokid2005> see ya ChrisMorgan
03:22:58 <ChrisMorgan> Messy COM work
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03:23:57 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Yeah, the kidney thing. Anti-inflamatories are mildly nephro-toxic, so I can't take em.
03:24:34 <SrgSiler|SAFK> D:
03:24:43 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: ouch. Yeah, that tends to put a stop on things. My fiancee is allergic to most anti-biotics so we have to be very careful when she goes to the doctor, she also has issues with aspirin...
03:24:44 <Chazz> D:
03:24:55 <Gizmokid2005> it's definitely tricky to make sure you are safe with that stuff
03:26:53 <JohnTHaller> I'm hoping the nephrologist gives me the go-ahead to take it when I talk to him tomorrow. May just have to keep an eye on things. That would make my month much easier.
03:27:50 <Gizmokid2005> well, good luck with that JohnTHaller, I hope you can get something to help ease the pain. I can't even imagine the pain with that
03:29:33 <JohnTHaller> It's not too bad. It's livable. I just have to get it better so it doesn't rupture... which is supposed to be unbearable.
03:31:07 <JohnTHaller> btw, don't think I congratulated you yet on Songbird being out. Congrats! :-)
03:31:25 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, well good luck with that JohnTHaller
03:31:39 <Gizmokid2005> and thanks JohnTHaller. Really. I'm proud of getting this out, it was certainly a learning curve to it. :)
03:32:40 <JohnTHaller> I'm sure.
03:32:45 <JohnTHaller> So what do you want to attack next? :-D
03:33:17 <Gizmokid2005> oh yeah it was. Well, I"m still patiently awaiting KVIrc4 to go final so that can be released
03:33:20 <Gizmokid2005> I know the launcher is good for that
03:33:30 <Gizmokid2005> and RSSOwl's dev is still looking at killing the IE cache usage, but having issues
03:33:36 <JohnTHaller> any ideea on the eta for kvirc?
03:33:55 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: nope unfortunately....there was some talk last week on the mailing list about doing an alpha, but nothing has come of it yet
03:34:14 <Gizmokid2005> and I was going to do a VNC client, but they all seem to rely heavily on the Registry, so that might be a while
03:34:25 <Gizmokid2005> I was hoping to find one that used actual INIs or settings files of some sort...
03:34:41 <Gizmokid2005> that's really the next thing I"d like to get out, a VNC client
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03:35:26 <alpha1beta> hello
03:35:27 <dbdii407> Wow. That did work
03:35:30 <dbdii407> Hi mike.
03:35:32 <Gizmokid2005> hello alpha1beta
03:35:33 <alpha1beta> hey
03:35:47 <alpha1beta> what ya need dave?
03:36:02 <dbdii407> OT
03:36:22 <Gizmokid2005> idk JohnTHaller, what do you want me to attack next??? :)
03:36:43 <JohnTHaller> hmm, I can't think any way around that issue with rssowl. the webbrowser control on windows uses IE's cache. period. there's no way around it I know
03:37:14 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, he thought there was some meta tags that would do it, but they didn't...
03:37:15 <Gizmokid2005> back in a few
03:37:21 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: I'd say ultravnc, registry be damned. we can swap back and forth. iirc it stores one file in TEMP, too (like I said, I had a partial launcher for it a LONG time ago)
03:38:29 <JohnTHaller> alright, bedtime for me
03:38:56 <alpha1beta> Night John
03:39:00 <SrgSiler|SAFK> bye JohnTHaller
03:39:01 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
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04:19:58 <pa_6988> chazz
04:20:01 <pa_6988> hi
04:20:12 <Chazz> pa_6988,
04:20:15 <Chazz> hello
04:20:28 <pa_6988> from yesterday?
04:20:56 <pa_6988> i copied the suite onto my d:drive
04:21:13 <pa_6988> and added all the other apps i needed
04:21:16 <pa_6988> now..
04:21:17 <Chazz> what was the problem?
04:21:38 <pa_6988> just a reminder
04:21:50 <pa_6988> i wanted more than what was on the suite
04:22:00 <pa_6988> and wanted to burn a cd
04:22:01 <pa_6988> coz
04:22:12 <Chazz> mkay
04:22:12 <pa_6988> i don't have a flash drive at the moment
04:22:20 <Chazz> ah :/
04:22:34 <pa_6988> nee ways
04:22:54 <pa_6988> i got every thing on the d drive at the moment
04:23:05 <Chazz> ok
04:23:19 <pa_6988> can i just burn an image onto the cd
04:23:55 <pa_6988> will windows ask me wehn i insert the cd
04:24:58 <Chazz> windows shoudl popup a dialog box asking what you want to do w/ the CD, what the box says depends on the specific computers configuration :/
04:25:12 <pa_6988> if you see this page
04:25:14 <pa_6988> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#installing
04:25:19 <pa_6988> under...
04:25:31 <pa_6988> Using the PortableApps.com Platform
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04:25:56 <pa_6988> .....Windows will ask if you'd like to start PortableApps.com when you plug in your drive. Then, use the intuitive PortableApps.com Menu to launch your apps, browse your drive, search the web and more.
04:26:17 <pa_6988> in my case ...
04:26:20 <Chazz> only if autorun is enabled
04:26:26 <pa_6988> i have a cd and not a flash drive
04:26:32 <Chazz> and yes, it should do the same for a CD
04:26:48 <pa_6988> so can i just burn a cd
04:26:52 <pa_6988> and call it a aday
04:27:05 <Chazz> yup
04:27:16 <Chazz> thar should work
04:27:22 <pa_6988> hmmm..
04:27:29 <pa_6988> going to try that ..
04:27:33 <pa_6988> be back in a mo
04:27:37 <Chazz> mkay :)
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07:02:15 <pa_7701Leffe> Hi.Autostart dont works on my computer?
07:03:14 <Chazz> is autorun enabled?
07:04:31 <pa_7701Leffe> My USB pinn have: G:\PortApps\Autorun.inf and StartPortableApps.exe
07:05:16 <Chazz> yes, but, is autorun enabled on the host?
07:05:21 <pa_7701Leffe> Yes,Autorun is enable.
07:05:32 <Chazz> do other things autorun?
07:05:43 <pa_7701Leffe> Yes
07:05:52 <Chazz> what is the host OS?
07:06:05 <pa_7701Leffe> XP Pro
07:06:14 <Chazz> ok
07:06:31 <Chazz> could you please pastebin the contents of the autorun.inf?
07:07:14 <pa_7701Leffe> [Autorun] Open=StartPortableApps.exe Action=Start PortableApps.com Icon=StartPortableApps.exe Label=PortableApps.com
07:07:33 <Chazz> hmm...
07:07:38 <Chazz> seems right :/
07:09:18 <pa_7701Leffe> Then I start my USB I have a window with only PortApps libiryname.
07:10:45 <Chazz> hmm...
07:10:49 <pa_7701Leffe> library namn
07:13:11 <pa_7701Leffe> Is it the library name PortApps the problem?
07:13:26 <Chazz> no, shldn't be :/
07:17:08 <pa_7701Leffe> Ok. Were can I check thats Autotun is enable?
07:18:43 <Chazz> umm...
07:30:17 <pa_7701Leffe> I have try an USB with U3 software and this works.
07:32:29 <pa_7701Leffe> Hi "Chazz" have you surrender?
07:32:50 <Chazz> oh, sorry, was afk for a few minutes
07:33:14 <Chazz> it might be the USB autorun is disabled while CD autorun is not
07:36:31 <pa_7701Leffe> Ok. Where can I make USB autorun?
07:39:47 <pa_7701Leffe> I give upp
07:39:47 <Chazz> umm...
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09:12:00 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan!
09:12:11 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz!
09:12:18 <Chazz> I need you help!
09:12:37 <ChrisMorgan> ... at least you didn't say "I need you're help!"
09:12:47 <Chazz> :/
09:13:01 <Chazz> I need your help!
09:13:09 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, that's better ;-)
09:13:16 <ChrisMorgan> What seems to be the problem?
09:13:16 <Chazz> :P
09:13:35 <Chazz> ${locate} isn't a valid NSIS command :/
09:13:45 <ChrisMorgan> You've got to include it first.
09:13:50 <Chazz> huh
09:14:20 <ChrisMorgan> !include FileFunc.nsh
09:14:25 <Chazz> oh
09:14:36 <ChrisMorgan> And possibly !insertmacro Locate as well... can't remember
09:15:11 <Chazz> so, do i just put that in the same section as ${locate} or do i put it at the top, or where?
09:15:22 <ChrisMorgan> Script header
09:15:28 <Chazz> ok
09:15:36 <ChrisMorgan> That's where all those things go
09:15:44 <Chazz> ah, ok
09:16:37 <Chazz> so, does filefunc.nsh need to be in the smae dir as the nsi?
09:16:47 <Chazz> *nsi that's being compiled
09:16:57 <ChrisMorgan> No, it's a core NSIS script header.
09:17:00 <Chazz> ok
09:18:46 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, should the locate line look like this:
09:18:48 <Chazz> ${LOCATE} "$EXEDIR\App\Bash\usr\local\wbin" "/L=D /G=0" "AddDirectoryToPath"
09:19:11 <ChrisMorgan> Except for the LOCATE bit which should just be Locate, yes
09:19:18 <Chazz> oh.. oops
09:19:25 <Chazz> (bah, stupid caps lock)
09:20:09 <Chazz> ok, it's still not liking ${Locate}
09:20:16 <ChrisMorgan> About 26 hours and 52 minutes ago I posted this line: ${Locate} "$EXEDIR\App\Programs" "/L=D /G=0" "AddDirectoryToPath"
09:20:32 <ChrisMorgan> What version of NSIS are you using?
09:20:46 <Chazz> 2.38
09:20:56 <ChrisMorgan> You should be using 2.45.
09:21:00 <Chazz> ooh :/
09:21:39 <ChrisMorgan> Though Locate appears to have been in since at least 2.21 ("Fixed a memory leak in Locate" in release notes), it probably wasn't done as a define then for easy use.
09:21:52 <ChrisMorgan> You *really* should be using 2.45 for all your work.
09:21:55 <Chazz> ah
09:22:10 <Chazz> well, download the 2.45 installer now
09:22:14 <Chazz> *installing
09:22:28 <ChrisMorgan> Apart from some things being different, there are bugs fixed, Windows 7 support included, etc.
09:23:02 <Chazz> oh
09:27:33 <Chazz> ok, fixed the locate thing, but this new NSIS isn't a fan of newadvsplash::show :/
09:27:55 <ChrisMorgan> Gotta have the newadvsplash plugin.
09:28:20 <Chazz> :/
09:28:31 * ChrisMorgan hopes that Microsoft loses their appeal concerning being allowed to sell Word 03/07 :D
09:28:42 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: you installed it last time... just gotta do it again.
09:28:49 <ChrisMorgan> Could be a very good thing for OO.o and similar :D
09:29:08 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, I /was/ using an old portable NSIS :/
09:29:33 <Chazz> !
09:29:38 <ChrisMorgan> OK, and it included newadvsplash. If you used NSIS Portable you'd find it had newadvsplash, but not a local installation.
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09:30:05 <Chazz> ya, getting PA.c version now
09:37:37 <Chazz> crap :/
10:33:43 <ChrisMorgan|Away> MEEP!
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10:40:12 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan!
10:40:18 <Chazz> :D
10:40:21 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz!
10:40:25 <Chazz> Hi!
10:40:30 <ChrisMorgan> Ho!
10:40:35 <Chazz> Hi!
10:40:41 <ChrisMorgan> Ho!
10:40:52 <ChrisMorgan> So, you got it working?
10:41:01 <Chazz> Well, it compiled :/
10:41:11 <Chazz> oh, wait
10:41:20 * Chazz headdesks
10:42:01 <Chazz> i was trying to figure out why it wasnt working, and i just remembered all the launcher does is launch the program then kill itself...
10:42:07 <Chazz> so
10:42:22 * Chazz goes off to find out how to make it not die
10:42:30 <ChrisMorgan> Make what not die?
10:42:37 <Chazz> the launcher
10:42:42 <ChrisMorgan> You want it to wait till Bash closes?
10:42:46 <ChrisMorgan> Change Exec to ExecWait
10:42:50 <Chazz> oh, ok
10:42:54 <Chazz> is that it?
10:43:02 <ChrisMorgan> Yuppity.
10:43:10 <Chazz> WOW that sounds easy :P
10:44:05 <ChrisMorgan> Remember though to consider how multiple instances are coped with.
10:44:25 <Chazz> wait, what
10:44:40 <ChrisMorgan> What happens if a second instance is started while the first is running?
10:45:03 <Chazz> umm...
10:45:14 <Chazz> i have 2 bash prompts! :D
10:45:22 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, but how does the /launcher/ cope?
10:45:29 <ChrisMorgan> What needs to be done at the end? Cleanup?
10:45:51 <ChrisMorgan> Iff cleanup typeof?
10:46:01 <Chazz> there's nothing to clean up
10:46:27 <Chazz> which is why the origianal launcher just started the program then died
10:46:30 <ChrisMorgan> So why do you need to have the launcher wait for bash.exe (or whatever it's called)?
10:47:04 <Chazz> doesn't it need to be running for the PATH thing?
10:47:15 <Chazz> which still isn't working right btw :/
10:47:44 <ChrisMorgan> No.
10:47:56 <Chazz> oh :/
10:47:58 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look at other launchers. Take a step back.
10:48:11 <ChrisMorgan> gVim Portable for example, it sets a few environment variables.
10:48:51 <Chazz> ah
10:48:59 <Chazz> it's not using CPALT is it?
10:49:04 <ChrisMorgan> No
10:49:07 <ChrisMorgan> It was pre-CPALT.
10:49:12 <Chazz> ok, good
10:52:06 <Chazz> you set the environmental variable via a different methoud in the gVim launcher
10:52:16 <ChrisMorgan> No?
10:52:19 <ChrisMorgan> What's different?
10:52:35 <ChrisMorgan> It's the System::Call 'kernel32 blah blah
10:52:36 <ChrisMorgan> stuff
10:53:16 <Chazz> ya
10:53:25 <ChrisMorgan> What's different to what I told you?
10:54:07 <Chazz> you didn't have me use the System::Call stuff :/
10:54:28 <ChrisMorgan> Yes I did.
10:54:47 <ChrisMorgan> First I had you use Locate to add to what it was going to write, then I had you use System::Call to actually write it.
10:55:21 <Chazz> ooh :/
10:55:36 <Chazz> ok, i forgot a step! :(
10:56:00 <ChrisMorgan> Just use what I posted yesterday, 28 hours ago.
10:56:27 <Chazz> yes, i have the logs for that open and am reading them
10:58:11 <Chazz> on another topic, Perl Portable already has been downloaded 9 times :D
10:58:46 <Chazz> Bash Portable, 107 times
10:59:51 <ChrisMorgan> That's quite good
11:00:03 <Chazz> ya :D
11:01:36 <Chazz> of course, once (Read: If) I get this PATH thing figured out, Bash will be much more usable, which /might/ get some more downloads! ^_^
11:03:00 <ChrisMorgan> Once. Not if.
11:04:28 <Chazz> :/
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11:07:11 <Chazz> hello zatarra
11:09:39 <zatarra> hi
11:09:52 <ChrisMorgan> Can we help you, zatarra?
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11:10:22 <Chazz> guess not
11:10:37 <ChrisMorgan> So it would seem.
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11:31:23 <Chazz> gosh ChrisMorgan, adding insult to injury :/
11:31:38 <ChrisMorgan> ?
11:31:51 <Chazz> http://portableapps.com/node/20415#comment-125994
11:31:53 <Chazz> ^^
11:32:23 <Chazz> :P
11:37:04 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... think I'm going to switch Manta to the MIT License
11:37:44 <ChrisMorgan> Much simpler and less restrictive.
11:39:39 <Chazz> MIT instead of GPL?
11:39:45 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
11:39:51 <ChrisMorgan> MIT is GPL-compatible.
11:39:54 <Chazz> You should use the WTFl
11:40:09 <Chazz> much simpler, and also GPL compatible
11:40:20 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible may go MIT.
11:40:24 <ChrisMorgan> What is it?
11:41:54 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
11:42:36 <ChrisMorgan> I'm *definitely* not using that.
11:43:09 <Chazz> y not?
11:43:19 <Chazz> it's very simple, very permissive
11:43:19 <ChrisMorgan> Because of it's /name/ for starters.
11:43:26 <Chazz> change the name :P
11:43:37 <ChrisMorgan> It's practically public domain.
11:43:53 <Chazz> so, very permissive! :D
11:46:31 <ChrisMorgan> I should have released Chris's PortableApps.com Launcher (CPAL) under the Common Public Attribution License Version 1.0 (CPAL) :P
11:47:47 <Chazz> lol
11:58:15 * Chazz wonders why his forum posts never seem to get any comments :P
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12:03:40 <Chazz> hello ssss
12:04:07 <ssss> hello
12:04:26 <Chazz> how can we help you today?
12:04:54 <ssss> thanks, enough to say hello :)
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12:15:29 <ChrisMorgan> More Manta :D
12:15:41 <ChrisMorgan> Well goodnight for tonight
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12:15:58 <ChrisMorgan> brown don't seem to be doin' too warl.
12:16:17 <ChrisMorgan> 10...
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12:16:48 <Chazz> night ChrisMorgan
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12:44:49 <Bruno_20> Hello!
12:45:06 <sar3th> hello Bruno_20
12:45:06 <Bruno_20> i have a question... how i uinstall a apps?
12:45:10 <Bruno_20> hello
12:45:31 <sar3th> Bruno_20: look at this: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#removingapps
12:45:43 <Bruno_20> oh, great!
12:45:44 <Chazz> Bruno_20, just delete the folder (Normally located at X:/PortableApps/[appName]
12:45:53 <Bruno_20> thanks for help!
12:45:56 <Bruno_20> but...
12:46:43 <Bruno_20> i can´t see many apps in my interface
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13:23:23 <Chazz> wb dragonmage
13:23:38 <dragonmage> thanks
13:24:19 <Chazz> yw
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13:46:19 <Chazz> 'ello MaienM
13:49:49 <MaienM> hello Chazz
13:49:58 <Chazz> how are you today?
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13:52:04 <MaienM> fine, and you?
13:52:13 <Chazz> good, thnx
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15:15:55 <pa_6988> hello chazz
15:16:14 <Chazz> 'ello pa_6988
15:16:23 <pa_6988> i burnt the cd but it has all kinds of probs
15:16:44 <pa_6988> the bible app has all kind of probs
15:16:51 <pa_6988> and so do many others
15:17:16 <pa_6988> i have one other major issue
15:17:38 <pa_6988> i had saved all the progs on my D drive root
15:17:46 <pa_6988> which also has other folders
15:18:18 <pa_6988> all the apps are under PortabeApps folder but yet it has renamed the D drive
15:18:39 <Chazz> hmm :/
15:18:44 <pa_6988> it is now showing ..
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15:18:57 <pa_6988> PortabeApps.com (D:)
15:19:01 <Chazz> ok, anyone know what i messed up?
15:19:08 <Chazz> hello pa_5592
15:19:20 <pa_5592> Hi there
15:19:38 <Chazz> pa_6988, sadly, i think i might have messed something up, but i don't know what :/
15:19:41 <MaienM> pa_6988: is there a file named autorun.ini in the root of the D: drive?
15:19:54 <Chazz> pa_5592, how can we help you today? :)
15:20:03 <pa_6988> it also changed the icon into the PortableApps icon
15:20:05 <pa_5592> Wondering if it is poss to change the items on the main menu
15:20:38 <MaienM> pa_5592: the ones on the right side? (documents, etc)
15:21:30 <pa_5592> Yes, lots of good stuff there, I want to make the few things I use all the time stand out
15:22:05 <MaienM> pa_5592: no, that is not possible at the moment
15:22:21 <MaienM> it might get added later, but for now its not possible, sorry
15:22:39 <pa_5592> Also, I use freestone image viewer and they have a "portable" version, i.e. needs no install, just launch the .exe, can that be added somehow?
15:23:05 <pa_6988> MaienM: i'm checking
15:23:28 <pa_6988> MaienM: yes there is
15:23:35 <pa_6988> do i need to delete it?
15:23:57 <MaienM> pa_5592: is it freeware, or open source? we cannot make freeware official pa.c apps (last time I checked). Also, we would need to check it for leaving any files and stuff
15:24:54 <MaienM> pa_6988: deleting that will probably make the original name come back. the autorun screen will no longer show up when inserting the drive into a pc tho, but for a D drive most of the time that doesn't matter
15:25:43 <pa_6988> so i can delete it?
15:26:38 <MaienM> you could also rename it if you prefer that
15:27:09 <pa_6988> MaienM: do i also need to delete "start portableapps"?
15:27:24 <MaienM> you can easily get it back by reinstalling the PAP so it doesn't matter if you delete it
15:27:43 <pa_6988> i did
15:27:44 <pa_5592> got the name wrong, faststone; http://www.faststone.org; says freeware; Thanks for the help, great program!
15:27:54 <pa_6988> but yet the d drive has not changed
15:28:13 <pa_6988> i went into the props but the changing of the icon is not an option
15:28:16 <MaienM> well it might not change till the next time it initialises the drive
15:28:24 <pa_6988> and the folder default does not do anything
15:28:35 <MaienM> rebooting should fix that
15:28:41 <pa_6988> you mean i need to reboot?
15:28:45 <pa_6988> ok
15:28:47 <MaienM> or, if possible, rmoving the drive and reconnecting it
15:29:07 <pa_6988> how do i do that
15:29:21 <MaienM> is it a external drive?
15:29:55 <pa_6988> no
15:29:55 <MaienM> then you can't
15:29:55 <pa_6988> this is an acer lap...
15:29:55 <pa_6988> hmmm
15:29:55 <pa_6988> so i need to reboot?
15:29:57 <MaienM> so you'll have to reboot
15:30:06 <pa_6988> ?
15:30:10 <MaienM> and hopefully that will fix it
15:30:14 <MaienM> yes, you will
15:30:46 <pa_6988> let me try that...
15:30:46 <pa_6988> brb
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15:32:04 <MaienM> pa_5592: well, as I've said we can't make freeware apps official portable apps (yet) so....
15:32:21 <MaienM> but you can add it to your menu yourself if thats what you want
15:32:30 <MaienM> pa_5592: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
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15:41:55 <pa_2924> MaienM: I'm back and my d drive is restored
15:41:56 <pa_2924> thanks
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15:42:20 <pa_2924> now for my original issue
15:42:48 <pa_2924> i dl'd the suite and installed it on the root of D
15:43:28 <pa_2924> i have all the apps under the PortableApps folder in the D drive
15:44:02 <pa_2924> i also added all the apps that i needed and were not in the suite
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15:45:24 <pa_2924> MaienM: ?
15:45:40 <pa_2924> are you busy?
15:46:10 <MaienM> no, I'm listening to you
15:46:14 <pa_2924> k
15:46:23 <pa_5592> MaienM - Thanks, that worked when I followed the directions, I had been trying in a sub folder and using a shortcut
15:46:45 <pa_2924> since i did not have a flash drive large enough so i thought of burning it on the cd for now
15:47:28 <pa_2924> and i burnt the cd
15:47:38 <pa_2924> but many apps have probs
15:48:23 <MaienM> like?
15:48:33 <pa_2924> the bible for instance
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15:48:49 <pa_2924> let me launch again and tell you what they are
15:48:49 <MaienM> what are the issues?
15:48:52 <MaienM> k
15:49:05 <pa_2924> all kind of dialogue boxes
15:49:10 <pa_2924> i'm launching now
15:49:17 <pa_2924> please hold
15:50:23 <pa_2924> This book is not set. This may be because you do not have any of this type of book installed.
15:50:42 <pa_2924> this message is in the main window
15:50:53 <MaienM> did you nstall any books in it?
15:51:03 <pa_2924> and also in the right hand window
15:51:09 <MaienM> remember, yo have to do stuff like that BEFORE burning to the cd
15:52:16 <pa_2924> and when i'm closing the app it says.. 'OSerror on saving settings'
15:52:28 <pa_2924> what books
15:52:40 <pa_2924> isn't the app complete?
15:52:46 <MaienM> well, thats to be expected.... it cannot save any settings to the cd
15:53:04 <MaienM> no, BpBibble doesn't have any books (bibbles) installed by defaul;t
15:53:12 <MaienM> you need to download them separately
15:53:39 <pa_2924> when i launch it from the HD i don't get that message inthe main window but
15:53:53 <pa_2924> and i see Genesis 1.2.3.....
15:54:16 <MaienM> pa_2924: http://bpbible.com/download#installing_books
15:54:44 <MaienM> I guess you've installed the books in the first location mentioned there
15:54:58 <pa_2924> The heavens and the earth were finished, and all their vast array. 2 On the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 God blessed the seventh day, and made it holy, because he rested in it from all his work which he had created and made.
15:55:31 <pa_2924> this i can see when i launch fromthe hd folder
15:56:07 <MaienM> check the link I just sent, and install some books in the last location mentioned
15:56:16 <MaienM> that should work
15:56:55 <pa_2924> i don't understand
15:57:33 <pa_2924> the apps on the d drive is the same as that on the cd that i burnt
15:58:02 <pa_2924> i didn't install any extra stuff on the d drive
15:58:15 <MaienM> the problem seems t be that you installed the bibles themselve on your hdd, not on the cd
15:58:18 <pa_2924> and i burnt the cd fromthe d drive
15:58:41 <MaienM> but since I don't use bpbibble, I can't really help much with this
15:59:17 <pa_2924> ok let me start from the beginging
15:59:34 <pa_2924> i don't have a flash drive
15:59:53 <pa_2924> so i'm burning a cd untill i get a FD
16:00:03 <pa_2924> so how do i nedd ot go about it
16:00:12 <MaienM> yes, I understand that
16:00:38 <MaienM> you need to make sure to have all settings the way you want them BEFORE burning the disk
16:00:51 <MaienM> in this case, that also includes the bibbles used by bpbibble
16:01:16 <pa_2924> so i need to launch every app before i burn the cd?
16:01:25 <MaienM> you can install them in multiple locations, some of which are outside of the PortableApps folder which you burned
16:01:27 <MaienM> yes
16:01:56 <MaienM> it seems you installed the bibbles to a location ouside of the PortableApps folder, and thus you didn't burn it
16:01:59 <pa_2924> hmm..
16:02:04 <MaienM> brb, I have to eat dinner
16:02:18 <pa_2924> there were no instructions to do that on the website
16:02:30 <pa_2924> dinner?
16:02:36 <pa_2924> where are you :)
16:02:42 <pa_2924> in austrailia?
16:03:19 <Whibo> how many downloads bpbible got?
16:03:27 <Chazz> Whibo, -ot
16:03:38 <Whibo> ok
16:03:47 <Chazz> pa_2924, actually, he's from the netherlands
16:04:18 <pa_2924> Chazz: were you following our conv...
16:04:31 <pa_2924> where do i need to install the books
16:04:33 <Chazz> reading logs now
16:04:56 <Chazz> and, install them at the same locationyou normally would i think
16:05:39 <pa_2924> under the root of the bible folder
16:05:40 <pa_2924> or
16:06:03 <pa_2924> under the sub folder.. app...data... or other... folder?
16:07:07 <pa_2924> and which versino i need to dl... the windows ver.. or the usb.. ver..
16:10:23 <sar3th> probably the usb-version
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16:12:57 <Gizmokid2005> I see that all the bots are back in order after today's split
16:12:58 <Gizmokid2005> lol
16:13:07 <Gizmokid2005> and hello MaienM :)
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17:25:34 <JohnTHaller> hola
17:25:40 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Atomic Tanks Portable 3.8: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-20_-_atomic_tanks_portable_3.8
17:25:57 <MaienM> hello JohnTHaller
17:26:05 <OliverK> SWEET
17:26:10 <OliverK> hola JTH
17:29:12 <JohnTHaller> how goes it in here today?
17:29:35 <OliverK> I just got here
17:30:21 <MaienM> its been quiet in here today
17:30:37 <MaienM> or well, since I got here
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17:41:45 <OliverK> trying to figure out why FireFox is slow
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17:52:53 <SrgSiler|sAFK> seems were in the middle of a netsplit
17:54:12 <OliverK> hooray!
17:54:18 <SrgSiler|sAFK> lol
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17:56:38 <ZachThibeau> yeah on leguin.freenode.net
17:58:28 <JohnTHaller> .tell ChrisMorgan http://portableapps.com/node/15654#comment-126028
17:58:30 <pabot> OperationalError: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (10061)") (source unknown)
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18:00:13 <SrgSiler|sAFK> JohnTHaller, pabot has been broken for the longest time :P
18:01:01 <JohnTHaller> lame
18:01:09 <SrgSiler|sAFK> lol
18:01:17 <MaienM> JohnTHaller: you can use memoserv instead
18:02:14 <JohnTHaller> he'll see it, he watches his app threads like a good dev :-)
18:02:26 <JohnTHaller> I'm just bummed I couldn't release it. Had the page done, too
18:02:49 * MaienM whistles innocently
18:03:21 <ZeroA4> JohnTHaller, are you a developer of thunderbird portable ?
18:04:40 <JohnTHaller> yes, why?
18:05:20 <ZeroA4> JohnTHaller, I think I found an regression
18:05:40 <ZeroA4> JohnTHaller, i posted on the foruns http://portableapps.com/node/20409
18:06:43 <JohnTHaller> I'll look into it at some point. Not sure if it's a thunderbird issue or a portable launcher issue. But live mode seems to be barely used anymore now that flash drives are so inexpensive.
18:07:42 <ZeroA4> JohnTHaller, I use it to create an browsable mail backup CD...
18:12:40 <ZeroA4> JohnTHaller, like... at the company i work for the manager does not let us delete an unused mail account from the server... he wants to keep them for consultation.. so and CD with an local backup solves this
18:14:38 <JohnTHaller> Ah, found the bug... just a minute....
18:18:18 <JohnTHaller> There ya go: http://portableapps.com/node/20409#comment-126032
18:19:37 <ZeroA4> JohnTHaller, wow! this was fast!
18:20:19 <JohnTHaller> I try :-)
18:20:44 <JohnTHaller> I tested it and it's working properly. It'll be included in the next release of TBP. And I added a note to the support page topic about live mode with a link to the patch for now.
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18:24:52 <ZeroA4> JohnTHaller, Thank you! :)
18:27:34 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
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18:41:56 <JohnTHaller> alright... back in a bit...
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18:48:34 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller|afk: I'm a good dev too now :P I watch my threads like a hawk, just you've been beating me to them :P
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18:51:46 <MaienM> I've been a very bad dev lately... :(
18:51:59 <MaienM> but then again, I'm on vacation so yeah :P
18:52:05 <Gizmokid2005> MaienM: you've been on vacation, it's understandable. It's not like you've been around and ignoring them :P
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19:10:42 <pa_3513> MaienM: hello
19:10:53 <pa_3513> how do i run jkdefrag from command line
19:11:48 <MaienM> I have no idea :(
19:12:02 <pa_3513> when i run the command line exe it just starts and does not give me an option to choose parameters
19:12:13 <pa_3513> :)
19:12:16 <pa_3513> anyone?
19:14:18 <JohnTHaller|afk> pa_3513: There are command line parameters detailed in the jkdefrag docs. Our launcher provides an easy way to select them graphically.
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19:15:12 <pa_3513> there are no details as to how you control the dos window
19:15:48 <JohnTHaller> scroll down to Commandline: http://kessels.biz/JkDefrag/
19:16:00 <pa_3513> when you click the command line exe it jst starts adn does not allow any way to type
19:16:09 <pa_3513> yes i have that in front of me
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19:16:25 <pa_3513> i have read the entire section
19:16:34 <JohnTHaller> We don't do jkdefrag directly. We do JkDefrag Portable which has a graphical launcher: http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/jkdefrag_portable
19:16:49 <JohnTHaller> You run JkDefragPortable.exe and it gives you that window so you can pick and choose what you want.
19:17:08 <pa_3513> even that does not work for me
19:17:11 <JohnTHaller> If you want to run jkdefrag from the commandline, you have to go to a DOS prompt and run jkdefrag.exe and then add in the appropriate options.
19:17:14 <JohnTHaller> Why not?
19:17:27 <pa_3513> when i launch the portable it just starts defragging
19:17:48 <JohnTHaller> Are you downloading JkDefrag Portable from us from here: http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/jkdefrag_portable
19:17:49 <pa_3513> i tried that as well
19:17:58 <pa_3513> i have both
19:18:09 <JohnTHaller> Installing and then running JkDefragPortable.exe (making sure there is no JkDefragPortable.ini in the same directory)?
19:18:12 <pa_3513> i have the zip file from kessler
19:18:17 <JohnTHaller> that's not us
19:18:20 <pa_3513> and your portable as well
19:18:52 <JohnTHaller> You have to install JkDefrag Portable from us. Then in your JkDefragPortable directory you run JkDefragPortable.exe. When you do that, you get that window shown in the screenshot.
19:19:10 <JohnTHaller> At no time do you run jkdefrag.exe yourself.
19:20:04 <pa_3513> i have run it from the suite as well
19:21:30 <JohnTHaller> Ok, to be sure. Download a new copy of JkDefrag Portable from our site. Install it to a location like X:\PortableApps\JkDefragPortable that doesn't already exist. Then in there, run JkDefragPortable.exe directly. Do exactly those steps and no others.
19:21:43 <JohnTHaller> (replacing X with the letter of your drive)
19:26:51 <pa_3513> JohnTHaller: i did that
19:26:54 <pa_3513> same thing
19:27:07 <pa_3513> i launched it fromthe app
19:27:22 <pa_3513> it gives me the window c: or d:
19:27:31 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's what it should do.
19:27:35 <JohnTHaller> What are you looking for?
19:27:57 <JohnTHaller> You're getting the selection window and it's showing you the PC's hard drives, correct?
19:28:08 <pa_3513> yes
19:28:18 <pa_3513> but..
19:28:20 <JohnTHaller> So, what's wrong? Were you expecting your flash drive to be listed?
19:28:33 <pa_3513> no
19:28:38 <pa_3513> btw
19:28:51 <pa_3513> i don't have a flash drive
19:28:54 <pa_3513> at the moment
19:29:00 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so what's wrong with what you're seeing?
19:29:10 <pa_3513> so i'm running it from the d drive
19:29:16 <pa_3513> where i have installed the suite
19:29:23 <pa_3513> and all the apps i wanted
19:29:43 <JohnTHaller> Right. So you should see the window with C: and D: listed, which is what you said you're seeing. So, I guess I'm confused as to what your question is now.
19:29:46 <pa_3513> i was looking to choose how i want my files organized
19:30:11 <pa_3513> well.. my original ? was about the command line
19:30:17 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok, sorry I didn't pick up on that earlier. Advanced options. Those weren't implemented in this version of our interface by our developer, Travis.
19:30:42 <pa_3513> so i could choose "c:\jkdefrag.exe -a 7"
19:30:47 <JohnTHaller> Most users don't need it. I think he may in the next version which will actually be MyDefrag since JkDefrag has closed and is now MyDefrag
19:31:42 <pa_3513> i have also installed mydefrag and that does nothave the command lne option
19:31:51 <JohnTHaller> So, for now, the answer is that our interface can't do exactly what you want.
19:32:02 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, we don't support MyDefrag yet.
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19:32:25 <pa_3513> the jkdefrag has a command line exe
19:32:37 <JohnTHaller> mydefrag doesn't do commandline. It's all script based now.
19:32:51 <pa_3513> but when i run it from window it just runs without my input
19:32:57 <JohnTHaller> So, for now, your best bet is to run JkDefrag manually from the command line with your selected options.
19:33:09 <pa_3513> and when i open a dos window to run it .. it does not run
19:33:27 <JohnTHaller> Like I said, we dont' do MyDefrag yet. MyDefrag won't work with our frontend or any other JkDefrag frontend because the whole command line was dropped.
19:33:43 <pa_3513> i know
19:33:57 <pa_3513> i'm running that independantly
19:34:24 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3513: go to the directory in the cmd prompt
19:34:32 <JohnTHaller> if open a command line at X:\PortableApps\JkDefrag\App\jkdefrag, you should be able to run jkdefrag.exe with the appropriate command line options.
19:34:37 <pa_3513> zip file i dl'd has a command line exe
19:34:41 <Gizmokid2005> exactly that JohnTHaller said.
19:34:43 <Gizmokid2005> that will launch it.
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19:35:17 <Gizmokid2005> if it doesn't work, something in what you are entering isn't right, because that's the app in it's most bare form without any of our modifications or launchers
19:37:04 <pa_3513> ok...:)
19:37:08 <pa_3513> let me clarify
19:37:34 <pa_3513> i have jkdefrag portable from your site
19:37:53 <pa_3513> and i have added it to the laucher through the Options
19:38:15 <pa_3513> and when i run it from there i get the graphical interface
19:38:18 <pa_3513> ok cool
19:38:38 <pa_3513> i can choose the drives from there and it will defrag
19:38:46 <pa_3513> ok.. i have already done that
19:38:51 <pa_3513> now..
19:39:05 <pa_3513> i have jkdefrag from kessler
19:39:11 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3513: this is how your command prompt should look: I:\PortableApps\JkDefragPortable\App\JkDefrag>JkDefrag.exe -a 7
19:39:17 <pa_3513> and that is in a completely diff dir
19:39:23 <Gizmokid2005> that runs it EXACTLY as you are describing
19:39:30 <Gizmokid2005> I just tested with my install
19:39:37 <Gizmokid2005> it just so happens that I: is my drive letter
19:40:17 <pa_3513> ok.. let me try that again
19:40:26 <pa_3513> i thought i did.. but i'll try it again
19:40:50 <Gizmokid2005> if you are using the most recent version from our site, assuming you are using a default install location like I have shown with my prompt
19:41:04 <Gizmokid2005> once you run that, another window should launch with your JKDefrag running
19:46:51 <pa_3513> ok.. here it is
19:47:08 <pa_3513> D:\PortableApps\JkDefragPortable\App\JkDefrag>JkDefrag.exe -a 7
19:47:12 <pa_3513> that is my path
19:47:20 <pa_3513> when i run it
19:47:24 <pa_3513> it says..
19:48:46 <pa_3513> '\PortableApps\JkDefragPortable\App\JkDefrag' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file
19:48:55 <Gizmokid2005> that's your problem
19:48:56 <Gizmokid2005> right now
19:48:59 <Gizmokid2005> type the following:
19:49:03 <Gizmokid2005> cd /d D:\PortableApps
19:49:08 <Gizmokid2005> wait
19:49:09 <Gizmokid2005> not that
19:49:20 <Gizmokid2005> cd /d D:\PortableApps\JkDefragPortable\App\JkDefrag
19:49:24 <Gizmokid2005> type that ^
19:49:51 <Gizmokid2005> then you should get a cmd prompt that looks like this: D:\PortableApps\JkDefragPortable\App\JkDefrag>
19:50:00 <Gizmokid2005> THEN type JKDefrag.exe -a 7
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19:52:29 <pa_3513> ok let me try that
19:52:40 <pa_3513> again :)
19:56:14 <pa_3513> ok that's working.. thanks
19:56:26 <pa_3513> Gizmokid2005: thankws
19:56:30 <Gizmokid2005> yw pa_3513
19:56:47 <Gizmokid2005> it was most likely complaining because you were trying to execute a full path
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19:57:46 <pa_3513> the zip file i dl'd from kessler.. had a seperate jkdefragcmd.exe file
19:57:58 <pa_3513> that was my first confusion
19:58:58 <pa_3513> Gizmokid2005: when i run this will it matter what all i have running
19:59:08 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3513: you mean in the terms of programs?
19:59:15 <pa_3513> like antivirus.. web browser.. etc
19:59:20 <pa_3513> yep
19:59:38 <Gizmokid2005> typically like with any defrag, the more you have running, the more files you'll have that are locked and cant be moved by the defrag app
19:59:44 <Gizmokid2005> but it won't /hurt/ to leave them running
20:00:02 <pa_3513> cool thanks
20:00:22 <Gizmokid2005> and on that note, I'm off. Be back in about an hour
20:00:24 <Gizmokid2005> see ya all
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20:21:47 <pa_5335> hello
20:22:11 <pa_5335> why the hell is downthemall included? why is it given special spotlight while other fantastic firefox addons are not?
20:22:38 <pa_5335> I believe that it should be removed, and then replaced with a general link to firefox addons if anything
20:23:09 <pa_5335> and it should be pointed out that all (to the best of my knowledge) firefox addons WORK JUST FINE with FF p.e.
20:23:10 <pa_5335> thanks
20:23:11 <pa_5335> peace
20:23:21 <pa_5335> JohnTHaller:
20:23:26 <pa_5335> palogbot:
20:23:26 <pa_5335> pabot:
20:23:29 <pa_5335> ZachThibeau:
20:23:30 <pa_5335> abc528:
20:23:31 <pa_5335> Chazz:
20:23:34 <pa_5335> dbdii407:
20:23:34 <JohnTHaller> Stop spamming now!
20:23:40 <ZachThibeau> yes please stop
20:23:42 <pa_5335> JohnTHaller: just wanted to make sure someone got my msg
20:23:58 <pa_5335> but seriously, why is downthemall included?
20:24:01 <JohnTHaller> Spamming is a way to be instantly kicked. Not to be taken seriously. Nor is giving orders and making edicts.
20:24:04 <pa_5335> and fireftp?
20:24:08 <ZachThibeau> pa_5335: thats a good way to get people annoyed
20:24:16 <pa_5335> can we just move on? I'll stop?
20:24:40 <pa_5335> but why is fireftp,sage, and downthemall included?
20:24:51 <JohnTHaller> Simple. Because they fulfilled a need and people had asked for them. It was mainly when things were new and there was no download assist app (there is now) and only one FTP program (there are more now)
20:25:20 <JohnTHaller> It was also before people really thought of extensions that can replace programs (as opposed to most extensions which just add functionality)
20:25:34 <pa_5335> JohnTHaller: pardon?
20:25:48 <pa_5335> I understand these extensions are essentially full programs that run on top of XUL
20:25:59 <pa_5335> but they aren't even portableapps?
20:26:30 <pa_5335> why not just remove them? or add a simple link to the firefox addons page, which is EXTREMELY mature , well written, and extremely clean
20:26:35 <JohnTHaller> again: It was mainly when things were new and there was no download assist app (there is now) and only one FTP program (there are more now)
20:26:49 <pa_5335> JohnTHaller: yes,I understand why you put them there now
20:26:57 <pa_5335> I don't understand why they are STILL there.
20:27:02 <JohnTHaller> We're not adding new ones and will eventually retire those pages. No need to RANT about it.
20:27:23 <pa_5335> JohnTHaller: I'm not ranting, I just wanted a brief explanation
20:27:43 <ZachThibeau> which you are ranting about if I may add bodly
20:27:52 <ZachThibeau> with that I'm am off to do some work
20:27:56 <JohnTHaller> You posted 13 messages in a row when you entered into the room. And just went off on a rant.
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20:28:44 <pa_5335> *sigh*
20:28:46 <pa_5335> sorry
20:28:49 <JohnTHaller> An example of the same thing in a non-rant would be entering into the room and typing: "Hey, I was wondering why FireFTP and DownThemAll are listed in the directory when they're extensions and not portable apps"
20:28:59 <pa_5335> *sigh*
20:29:00 <pa_5335> sorry
20:29:17 <JohnTHaller> To which you would have gotten a polite full explanation as I already gave without people being an inch from auto-kicking you.
20:29:36 <pa_5335> I just would like to see a prominent link to the firefox addons site, I think it would make more people enjoy firefox portable
20:29:40 <pa_5335> well, just firefox in general
20:29:48 <pa_5335> but it's so sad that people don't even know about firefox addons!
20:29:51 <JohnTHaller> It's under Tools - AddOns in Firefox itself.
20:29:55 <JohnTHaller> We'
20:30:21 <JohnTHaller> ve debated a highlights page on PA.c for specific extensions that are valuable in portable world... like replacing apps... but it would be a lot of work to maintain
20:31:59 <pa_5335> exactly, so why not just replace all of those links with simple mention of addon on the firefox portable page?
20:32:13 <pa_5335> anyway, I'm sorry for intruding
20:32:32 <pa_5335> I understand I'm just a user and not a dev and my opinions don't really matter anyway
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21:23:17 <Gizmokid2005> and JohnTHaller, two? nights ago, maybe last night, when you were talking about UltraVNC
21:23:22 <Gizmokid2005> that's next on my plate.
21:24:12 <Gizmokid2005> in the words of JohnTHaller: " I'd say ultravnc, registry be damned. we can swap back and forth."
21:24:16 <Gizmokid2005> :D
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21:46:16 <pa_4738> Oni is anigger
21:46:17 <pa_4738> neeegarow
21:46:18 <pa_4738> nigger
21:46:19 <pa_4738> nigger
21:46:20 <pa_4738> please
21:46:31 <pa_4738> Oni-Neoxes is a KNEE GA ROW
21:46:31 <pa_4738> Oni-Neoxes is a KNEE GA ROW
21:46:32 <pa_4738> Oni-Neoxes is a KNEE GA ROW
21:46:32 <pa_4738> Oni-Neoxes is a KNEE GA ROW
21:46:32 <pa_4738> Oni-Neoxes is a KNEE GA ROW
21:46:32 <pa_4738> v
21:46:34 <pa_4738> Oni-Neoxes is a KNEE GA ROW
21:46:35 <Oni-Neoxes> dude
21:46:40 <pa_4738> Oni-Neoxes is a NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
21:46:44 <pa_4738> NIGGER
21:46:45 <pa_4738> NIGGER
21:46:45 <pa_4738> NIGGER
21:46:45 <pa_4738> v
21:46:46 <pa_4738> v
21:46:48 <pa_4738> v
21:46:52 <Gizmokid2005> idiot.
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21:47:05 <Gizmokid2005> pa_4738: DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
21:47:10 <pa_4738> oh you wanna fuck with me
21:47:13 <Gizmokid2005> yep
21:47:16 <Oni-Neoxes> ban him
21:47:23 <Gizmokid2005> all done
21:47:29 <Gizmokid2005> let him try to come back
21:47:33 <Oni-Neoxes> thank you Gizmokid2005
21:47:36 <Gizmokid2005> yw Oni-Neoxes
21:47:43 <Gizmokid2005> if it happens again and I don't see it, just ping my nick.
21:47:48 <Oni-Neoxes> kk
21:50:01 <Gizmokid2005> someone you know Oni-Neoxes? Or just some random blubbering idiot?
21:50:11 <Oni-Neoxes> someone i know
21:50:17 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
21:50:22 <Gizmokid2005> I figured as much
21:50:22 <Oni-Neoxes> keep him banned though
21:50:26 <Gizmokid2005> oh I planned on it
21:50:33 <Oni-Neoxes> kk
21:50:34 <Gizmokid2005> wanna punch him in the face for me when you see him??
21:50:35 <Gizmokid2005> lol
21:50:47 <Oni-Neoxes> sure :p
21:59:07 <JohnTHaller> don't discuss trolls like that after they leave. or really even when they're here. that's what they want. just kick/ban them and move on.
21:59:51 <Gizmokid2005> oh I know JohnTHaller. Typically I won't...judging by the way it was I figured that was someone he knew
21:59:56 <Gizmokid2005> it's been a while since we've had one
21:59:58 <Gizmokid2005> a long while
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23:34:15 <OliverK> sup?
23:35:58 <Gizmokid2005> everything above eye level ;)
23:42:19 <OliverK> hehe
23:42:22 <OliverK> and below?
23:42:53 <Gizmokid2005> everything below eye level
23:42:59 <OliverK> heh
23:43:04 <OliverK> :D
23:43:08 <OliverK> green button
23:43:20 <Oni-Neoxes> nice
23:43:25 <OliverK> congrats on the Songbird, bye the way :p
23:43:31 <Oni-Neoxes> by*
23:43:32 <OliverK> howdy Oni
23:43:33 <Oni-Neoxes> xP
23:43:37 <Oni-Neoxes> hello OliverK
23:43:49 <Gizmokid2005> thanks OliverK :)
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23:52:13 <OliverK> what kind of pizza do you guys like
23:52:24 <sar3th> :D
23:52:38 <sar3th> any kind of pizza except with frutti di mare stuff
23:52:39 <Gizmokid2005> the edible kind
23:52:49 <sar3th> yeah, that too
23:52:52 <Gizmokid2005> :D
23:53:07 <OliverK> edible is sort of a requirement
23:53:30 <Gizmokid2005> well I didn't know there were different kinds of pizza, just different toppings :P
23:53:43 <sar3th> there are
23:53:48 <OliverK> i used to like pepperoni
23:53:48 <sar3th> like cheezy crust ;)
23:53:58 <sar3th> or pan pizza
23:53:59 <Oni-Neoxes> I like the plastic kind
23:54:00 <sar3th> n stuff
23:54:05 <Gizmokid2005> sar3th: that's not a kind of pizza, that's the crust :P
23:54:05 <Oni-Neoxes> tough and strong
23:54:12 <Oni-Neoxes> good for the teeth
23:54:15 <Gizmokid2005> if you really wanna get technical
23:54:21 <sar3th> no
23:54:47 <Oni-Neoxes> stuff crust pizza is what your thinking of sar3th
23:59:40 <sar3th> oh great, now i'm hungry again
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