IRC Log from 2009-09-03

00:01:17 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: he's talking about the RT stuff
00:01:29 <Chazz> gizmokid2005, i figured
00:01:38 <Chazz> now, anyonw know where that page is?
00:02:39 <Gizmokid2005> yes Chazz, the people that need to know ;)
00:02:51 <Chazz> heh
00:02:53 <powerjuce> Chazz: u can find it easily
00:02:55 <powerjuce> just think
00:03:06 <Chazz> powerjuce, that's the one thing i can't do :P
00:03:11 <powerjuce> haha
00:03:33 <powerjuce> aight i will get those up and running, i also have 2 look at the new frets on fire that was released
00:03:41 <powerjuce> i am really embarassed i did not work on it
00:04:07 <Gizmokid2005> powerjuce: don't be. it happens.
00:04:46 <powerjuce> no, i completely bailed on the pa.com community, and that is just not good. this is the community that got me really into comps
00:05:03 <powerjuce> so i will stick to my roots, and get back involved
00:05:18 <Chazz> powerjuce, could be worse, you could be like me, bugging the PA.c community to the point of insanity
00:05:32 <powerjuce> lol but u r still involved
00:05:41 <Chazz> lol, barely
00:05:58 <Chazz> i make portable apps portable, thats it :P
00:06:14 <powerjuce> haha, and that is the main thng
00:07:08 <powerjuce> ok my goals for this yr, update all apps of mine, get a couple new ones out, more support, and become op (jk on last one ).
00:07:23 <Chazz> what do you dev?
00:08:05 <Gizmokid2005> I've just gotta get a VM running on my mac that i can use to test apps also
00:08:17 <powerjuce> Chazz: frets, xnresource editor, reg, other small sutff
00:08:26 <powerjuce> Gizmokid2005: use virtualbox
00:08:28 <Chazz> oh, cool! :o
00:08:30 <Gizmokid2005> powerjuce: I am
00:08:30 <powerjuce> but fusion
00:08:33 <powerjuce> is better
00:08:35 <Gizmokid2005> but the whole checkpoints bs is ridiculous
00:08:43 <Gizmokid2005> I like MS VPC where you can just discard changes on shutdown
00:08:46 <Gizmokid2005> and be done
00:08:57 <powerjuce> well u can do that with virtualbox
00:09:01 <powerjuce> just make a snapshot
00:09:09 <Chazz> gizmokid2005, they have a VPC for OS X
00:09:28 <powerjuce> then rather than shutting down, just close the windows, select "power off machine" and the revert to current snapshot
00:09:40 <powerjuce> and by window i mean the vm window
00:09:54 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: I never got it to run
00:10:00 <Chazz> oh
00:10:02 <Gizmokid2005> powerjuce: I know, but it's still a pain
00:10:27 <powerjuce> u can actually maintain updates
00:13:33 <Gizmokid2005> you mean windows updates?
00:14:32 <powerjuce> yea
00:14:49 <powerjuce> i mean control updates
00:14:59 <Gizmokid2005> I can easily maintain them in VPC too...just start it up to dl updates...then shut it down and save changes
00:15:20 <powerjuce> i have within my windows xp vm, a windows xp sp1, sp2 and sp3 vms
00:15:45 <powerjuce> i also have some with ie 8 and one with ie6 and ie7
00:16:01 <powerjuce> all within one vm
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00:16:10 <powerjuce> i dont remeber being able to do that in VPC
00:16:18 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but I don't need that many variations of xp
00:16:24 <powerjuce> (although i only used it for a day or 2)
00:16:52 <powerjuce> haha yea, but when i do malware testing i need them all to make check each one
00:17:16 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but for pa testing and just normal use
00:17:17 <Gizmokid2005> you don't
00:17:21 <Gizmokid2005> and that's all I use them for.
00:17:30 <powerjuce> oh yea
00:17:35 <powerjuce> well i guess we need what we need
00:17:41 <Gizmokid2005> yep :D
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01:36:54 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 :D
01:38:30 <Chazz> :D
01:40:31 <powerjuce> gnight all
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01:52:16 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
01:52:30 <Gizmokid2005> hello TimClark
01:53:20 <TimClark> False Positve issue in ClamWinPorable and VLCPortable resolved http://portableapps.com/node/20613#comment-126942
01:53:33 <TimClark> and hello Gizmokid2005 :D
01:57:04 <Bensawsome> wow TimClark have you seen this listless guys responses?! http://portableapps.com/node/20609
01:57:22 <TimClark> no
01:57:37 <Bensawsome> read the thread... he is being rude... ALOT :/
01:58:05 <TimClark> is this a you a mod and i want to hint that you should do something about it thing ?
01:58:22 <Bensawsome> oh no
01:58:22 <Bensawsome> lol
01:58:23 <Bensawsome> well
01:58:24 <Bensawsome> maybe
01:58:25 <Bensawsome> i dunno
01:58:33 <Bensawsome> just thought i'd bring it to your attention
01:58:37 <TimClark> I am not reading the whole thread, link to what counts
01:58:48 <Bensawsome> oh ok
01:59:02 <Bensawsome> a response to john: http://portableapps.com/node/20609#comment-126932
01:59:03 <TimClark> nm found it
01:59:16 <Bensawsome> then the last post
01:59:17 <Bensawsome> :/
02:00:18 <Gizmokid2005> That last post by him is totally uncalled for...
02:00:26 <Gizmokid2005> he makes it sound like he paid money for the software...
02:00:27 <Bensawsome> ya i know!
02:00:28 <Bensawsome> lol
02:00:32 <Bensawsome> exactly :/
02:01:09 <daBomb|Not-Here> hello TimClark
02:01:10 <TimClark> yeah, but what do i do, it's rude, but not over the line, eveyone gets pissy when i try to put someone in their place, and no one backs me up
02:01:30 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: I'm sorry, I'd back up you, as that's completely uncalled for
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02:01:35 <ZachThibeau> what ever you decide I'm there
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02:01:41 <TimClark> please don't talk when you are not here chazz
02:02:14 <Chazz> TimClark: sorry, i should have been Chazz, but it was a ghost and I didn't notice :(
02:02:51 <TimClark> give me a moment
02:05:18 <TimClark> do you know how hard it is to write a good reply for this kind of stuff
02:05:28 <Bensawsome> ya it is :(
02:05:34 <Chazz> ya :(
02:05:40 <Bensawsome> i wish people wouldbe be so rude then you wouldnt have to :/
02:05:45 <Bensawsome> *wouldnt
02:09:08 <TimClark> ben, i've read some of you search posts, they are rude
02:09:23 <TimClark> saying "and thanks", does not make them less so
02:09:43 <TimClark> so let's not get on high horses here
02:09:55 <TimClark> I am drafting a replying to listless
02:10:19 <TimClark> oh, sorry, i meant to ping you there, --- Bensawsome
02:10:55 <Chazz> TimClark: jw, are my posts overly rude?
02:11:20 <TimClark> i'm busy Chazz , shush
02:11:28 <TimClark> I am drafting a replying to listless
02:11:57 <Chazz> ok, sorry
02:12:21 <TimClark> hows 's this Gizmokid2005 Chazz Bensawsome http://pastebin.com/m5ae586f6
02:13:01 <Gizmokid2005> sounds good TimClark
02:13:18 <TimClark> I really did not intend to be online for more than a minute or so to report the clam fix, i have things to do, so hurry and give me feed back
02:13:22 <TimClark> ty Gizmokid2005
02:13:27 <TimClark> Chazz: , Bensawsome ?
02:13:37 <ZachThibeau> looks good
02:13:47 <Chazz> wow! looks great!
02:14:21 <TimClark> ty ZachThibeau
02:14:28 <ZachThibeau> anytime
02:14:40 <TimClark> Chazz: it's rushed, it is not wow, wow takes a long time to write
02:14:57 <Chazz> TimClark: it's wow compared to what i wanted to say to him
02:15:16 <TimClark> now if he replies after this, i won't be here , so back me up, but be polite and better than him
02:15:19 <TimClark> posting
02:15:57 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: you could have waited
02:16:23 <ZachThibeau> I could of but this was before I knew you were going to post something
02:16:53 <TimClark> ok, nm
02:17:38 <TimClark> dam,
02:17:49 <TimClark> jth replied seconds after i did
02:18:52 <TimClark> i hope he does not mind my reply :(
02:19:30 <ZachThibeau> I think he'd be cool with it
02:20:33 <TimClark> but he may not even read it, as he will think his post is the latest and see what i said
02:20:51 <TimClark> *and not see what i said
02:21:35 <TimClark> I hope he does see it, as i did kinda make a formal request of the guy to tone it down
02:21:57 <ZachThibeau> anyways guys I got to go and sleep, I got work early in the morning
02:22:03 <TimClark> nite
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02:29:27 <TimClark> time to go, for at least a bit
02:29:46 <Chazz> bye TimClark
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02:30:26 <Bensawsome> oh shoot
02:30:31 <Bensawsome> tim responded XD
02:30:32 <Bensawsome> lol
02:30:38 <Bensawsome> i was talking with my parents >_>
02:31:41 <Chazz> lol
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03:21:40 <Chazz> heya ChrisMorgan:D
03:21:51 <ChrisMorgan> heya Chazz:D
03:22:11 <Chazz> how ya doing today?
03:22:45 <ChrisMorgan> OK.
03:23:00 <ChrisMorgan> My laptop's power adapter has been malfunctioning often the past few days :-(
03:23:26 <Chazz> :o
03:26:25 <ChrisMorgan> Instead of the usual quiet ~1000Hz saw-toothed wave coming out as noise when I listen to it, it produces ~300Hz clicks at about 6 per second... and doesn't work.
03:28:11 <Chazz> thats bad :/
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07:33:13 <PatrickPatience> Testing.
07:33:20 <PatrickPatience> Hmmm.
07:33:26 <PatrickPatience_> Testing.
07:33:31 <PatrickPatience_> Grr.
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10:03:14 <SteveLamerton> Hello ChrisMorgan
10:03:28 <ChrisMorgan> Hey SteveLamerton :-)
10:04:07 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I think having the /ability/ to make a file self-destructible by entering the wrong password may in certain circumstances be good... but normally definitely not.
10:04:27 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, me too, way too many complaints though ;-)
10:05:00 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, that's why I think it's a feature you'd need to have a very strongly placed caveat on if you included it again.
10:05:31 <ChrisMorgan> I thouhgt that you'd overcome that by changing the algorithm, but wasn't certain, hence the uselessness of my comment :D
10:06:18 <SteveLamerton> Exactly, maybe at some point in the future, leaving it for now though, more important things to work on :-) And thanks for actually replying, most people ignore the Toucan forum, makes it rather lifeless if I am away!
10:06:39 <ChrisMorgan> I normally do to, just because I can't answer most questions.
10:06:48 <ChrisMorgan> They seem to normally be about rules and such.
10:07:45 <SteveLamerton> Yes, I am actually working on them right now, new UI should make things look a lot neater and adds a heap of extra validation logic too
10:08:01 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
10:08:16 <ChrisMorgan> What's different in the new UI?
10:08:25 <ChrisMorgan> Still wxWidgets I presume?
10:09:24 <SteveLamerton> Yes, just reworking the Rules tab, turn the three boxes and six buttons into one box and two buttons, new dialog for when you add rules that means you can't input invalid rules (assuming my regex is right, I hate regex's)
10:09:31 * ChrisMorgan likes PHP-GTK :-)
10:09:49 <ChrisMorgan> YOU WHAT!?
10:10:03 <ChrisMorgan> Regular expressions are the very soul of delicacy.
10:10:08 <ChrisMorgan> (Or something poetic like that)
10:10:45 <SteveLamerton> I just don't use them enough so I end up having to look syntax up every time
10:11:12 <ChrisMorgan> There are only a couple of things I need to look up if I use them... not [a block of text] is the main one.
10:11:37 <ChrisMorgan> Using gVim for everything is a good help, as its searches are regular expressions.
10:12:07 <SteveLamerton> Ahhhh, gVim, I guess I will soon be your mortal foe then, I am learning emacs ;-)
10:12:13 <ChrisMorgan> :O
10:12:26 <ChrisMorgan> Are you taking on emacs Portable?
10:12:35 <ChrisMorgan> I've considered looking at it at some time.
10:12:47 <ChrisMorgan> Me using gVim is hereditary though :P
10:12:54 <ChrisMorgan> I learned it from Dad :-)
10:13:49 <SteveLamerton> I haven't got it planned, I am still rather attached to Visual Studio though, I will have to set up all of the emacs plugins one day and truely see how it compares!
10:14:10 <ChrisMorgan> Visual Studio is pretty good for many things.
10:14:43 <ChrisMorgan> Dad likes the intellithingy feature of it, much better integrated than in any other editor we've tried.
10:15:02 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, especially as I will get a free Porfessional copy in a couple of week, and yes, intellisense is my favourite bit :-)
10:16:08 <ChrisMorgan> I could get a free copy via BizSpark if I felt like it due to being an [unpaid] WaterSums employee...
10:16:59 <SteveLamerton> Ahhh ok, DreamSpark would do it for me once my uni email address comes through
10:17:19 <ChrisMorgan> (Remember it's non-commercial usage only with DreamSpark)
10:18:05 <SteveLamerton> Toucan wasn't commercial the last time I checked ;)
10:18:13 <ChrisMorgan> Meh :P
10:18:23 <ChrisMorgan> It's GPL, right?
10:18:28 <SteveLamerton> Yep
10:18:34 <ChrisMorgan> You own copyright... still time to make it commercial :P
10:18:45 <ChrisMorgan> I decided on the MIT license for Manta.
10:19:08 <SteveLamerton> Any particular reason for MIT?
10:19:19 <ChrisMorgan> Much simpler, smaller, more permissive.
10:19:24 <ChrisMorgan> And GPL compatible, so no problems there.
10:20:11 <ChrisMorgan> And there's no problem with needing to host source code yourself etc., though I still hold from my reading of the GPL that the common interpretation that you need to host the code yourself is wrong.
10:20:30 <SteveLamerton> Very true, I am a little stuck on GPL really as Toucan relies on a few other GPL things, and I don't fancy someone taking it and not releasing any changed source
10:20:44 <ChrisMorgan> MIT is GPL-compatible.
10:20:54 <ChrisMorgan> But are said components v2 or v3?
10:21:02 <SteveLamerton> True, but the changes don't have to be released, and they are v2
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10:21:38 <ChrisMorgan> It all ends up depending on how you integrate it... static or dynamic linking actually plays a big part in it, weird though that seems.
10:21:51 <SteveLamerton> Oohh, netsplit ^
10:21:55 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... we seem to be going down in numbers.
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10:22:16 <ChrisMorgan> New record for how few people we've had in here for a long time... 12 :P
10:22:34 <SteveLamerton> I was enjoying the peace and quiet ;)
10:22:52 * ChrisMorgan wonders what it's like in #ubuntu
10:23:15 <ChrisMorgan> Only 869 people! :O
10:23:23 <SteveLamerton> How busy is it usually?
10:23:40 <ChrisMorgan> Twice the number, plus or minus 500
10:24:18 <SteveLamerton> Wow, a rather large split then
10:24:56 <ChrisMorgan> Weird things happen in #ubuntu... [20:24:19] <trg> hallo i am a noob an i wan to spead virus
10:25:22 <SteveLamerton> Nice ;-)
10:27:26 <ChrisMorgan> #inkscape lost 33 out of 71
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10:28:04 <ChrisMorgan> #ubuntu is back up to 1068
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10:28:20 <ChrisMorgan> 1270...
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10:28:41 <ChrisMorgan> 1368...
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10:29:53 <ChrisMorgan> Which places it safely in the region I specified of 1238-2238 :-)
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10:31:12 <SteveLamerton> Quite a big range though isn't it ;-)
10:31:21 <ChrisMorgan> Meh :-)
10:33:03 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I think I'm going to go back to writing my first blog post at my PortableApps.com blog which I haven't used.
10:33:23 <SteveLamerton> Whatcha writing about?
10:33:36 <ChrisMorgan> The future of PortableApps.com...
10:33:50 <ChrisMorgan> Specifically, the language of the platform and launchers.
10:34:20 <SteveLamerton> Ahh ok, sound good :)
10:34:21 <ChrisMorgan> Considering whether we need to keep using NSIS for anything at all other than the installers.
10:35:20 <SteveLamerton> We had a C++ launcher once, I think Bruce wrote one for Firefox years ago
10:35:46 <ChrisMorgan> Originally it was a batch file, it may well have gone on to C++ before NSIS... that was a couple of years before I came on the scene.
10:37:03 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, I think there was an unoffical one floating around the forum, and it sure would be nice to ditch nsis
10:37:15 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
10:37:18 <ChrisMorgan> It does us just fine.
10:37:24 <ChrisMorgan> What would you be considering as an alternative though?
10:37:48 <ChrisMorgan> C++? And if so, what about error messages? Platform-specific calls for those sorts of things?
10:37:57 <SteveLamerton> Something cross platform I guess, it is a step we will have to take eventually
10:38:26 <ChrisMorgan> The solution I'm suggesting (just to suggest something) is one which at first consideration seems utterly ridiculous. It's called...
10:38:37 <ChrisMorgan> P
10:38:37 <ChrisMorgan> H
10:38:37 <ChrisMorgan> P
10:39:10 <SteveLamerton> You'll have to explain your reasoning ;)
10:39:25 <ChrisMorgan> You sound healthily skeptical :-)
10:39:36 <ChrisMorgan> I would wonder at anyone not skeptical...
10:41:02 <SteveLamerton> It wouldn't be the first language I thought of!
10:41:08 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
10:44:35 <ChrisMorgan> I've thought of a nice evocative title for my post...
10:45:05 <ChrisMorgan> "The tower of Babel in the land of PortableApps.com"
10:45:19 <SteveLamerton> Intriguing
10:45:28 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
10:45:42 <ChrisMorgan> Except with Tower and Land capitalised now :P
10:46:44 <SteveLamerton> :-)
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10:54:42 <ChrisMorgan> I suppose that before posting my post I should commit the latest with Manta, so that the package manager is there for reference...
10:55:01 <ChrisMorgan> You know how it is, when you're developing lots of new features you never quite get round to committing.
10:55:10 <ChrisMorgan> This one's another huge commit... *sigh*
10:57:00 <SteveLamerton> Yep, really easy to do, get very annoying when you try to look back form when you made a change ;-)
10:57:27 <ChrisMorgan> "What do I put for my commit message!? ARGH!"
10:57:42 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'll just say "Yet another huge commit... try it to find out what's new."
10:57:43 <SteveLamerton> Lots ;)
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11:00:35 <RaulFR> hello :-)
11:01:48 <SteveLamerton> Hello RaulFR
11:03:18 <RaulFR> I am experimenting with a 8Gb key I recently bought, which is formatted in FAT32. I am planning to use it to install portable applications on it, and it may contain data and applications, I want to encrypt on the fly. I plan to use FreeOTFE (http://www.freeotfe.org) for building encrypted images that will be automounted for that security purpose.
11:03:53 <RaulFR> now, the problem I am having is that the FAT32 system does not allow me to copy to the USB key files larger than 4Gb
11:04:14 <SteveLamerton> Yep, it is an in built limitation fo the file system I am afraid
11:04:16 <ChrisMorgan> 2GB that should be
11:04:24 <RaulFR> I have found severeal methods for converting the media to a NTFS format
11:04:49 <ChrisMorgan> The easiest way is from the command-line, in-place (i.e. you don't need to copy everything off and back on)
11:05:33 <RaulFR> yes, using the "convert" command line tool
11:05:40 <RaulFR> but, I am wondering is that is a good choice, especially from a security point of view
11:06:00 <ChrisMorgan> I would recommend NOT using the /NoSecurity flag myself.
11:06:03 <ChrisMorgan> It's fine.
11:06:25 <ChrisMorgan> If you use /NoSecurity then you can't block access from a given computer accidentally.
11:06:43 <ChrisMorgan> The encrypted part is irrelevant for that
11:06:51 <ChrisMorgan> s/NOT//
11:07:01 <ChrisMorgan> DO use the /NoSecurity flag (:S I'm confusing myself!)
11:07:10 <ChrisMorgan> Have you got any real reason for not using TrueCrypt over FreeOTFE? My understanding is that TC's better.
11:07:16 <RaulFR> ok, you mean that this option SHALL be used with "convert"
11:07:21 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
11:07:35 <ChrisMorgan> For a USB disk you don't want the inbuilt Windows ACLs (which are per-machine etc.)
11:07:50 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry about that :S
11:08:00 <RaulFR> the key will have to be produced for computers running Vista also, and it looks like TC does not support it
11:08:19 <RaulFR> it is OK Chris, thanks a lot for your precious information
11:08:37 <ChrisMorgan> My understanding (I don't use either) is that TC supports everything that FOTFE does, except better.
11:08:44 <RaulFR> whereas FreeOTFE claims to support it
11:09:08 <ChrisMorgan> And if it's the "requires admin" thing with TrueCrypt, there's a SF project tc_explorer or something which does the same thing as FreeOTFE Explorer (not require to install the driver)
11:09:32 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not aware of any such issue.
11:09:51 <RaulFR> I will try TC also, Chris, I am just in the initial explorartion phase :-)
11:10:01 <ChrisMorgan> I do know though that if you're wanting to mount the drive letter, you'll run into problems with FreeOTFE because its binaries are not digitally signed, while TrueCrypt's are.
11:10:48 <RaulFR> ok, that's good to know
11:11:21 <SteveLamerton> I dont want to muddle things even more but I thought that TcExplorer didnt work with the latest versions of TrueCrypt?
11:11:51 <SteveLamerton> And it also only works on FAT
11:12:12 <ChrisMorgan> I thought that it did, but I've never used it so I'm open to correction
11:12:36 <SteveLamerton> No sure, I don't use it myself, I may well be spreading FUD here
11:13:32 <RaulFR> I need to run the apps from the key, so an "explorer" like approach is not for me
11:13:36 <RaulFR> one of my worries relating to using NTFS, apart from the fact that the key may be fail sooner due to the increased write operations, is that it looks that the NTFS uses caching to speed up the read/write operations. Does this mean that the data will be cached unencrypted on the host computer ?
11:13:41 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, true.
11:13:53 <ChrisMorgan> Shouldn't do.
11:14:08 <ChrisMorgan> When it's using a special driver to read it, it's up to said driver.
11:14:21 <ChrisMorgan> I'm sure they wouldn't do it insecurely.
11:15:37 <RaulFR> ok, so I guess I should further check that with TC or FreeOTFE to be sure
11:15:49 <ChrisMorgan> I think you're safe on it.
11:16:06 <ChrisMorgan> Any caching would be by their own choice, and they wouldn't touch it for on disk.
11:20:37 <RaulFR> I am not an expert in NTFS, and feared it might be an unavoidable operating system constraint (or "feature" as they say)
11:21:22 <ChrisMorgan> Indeed they do :P
11:21:52 <ChrisMorgan> The file system inside the container is essentially arbitrary, being handled by a different program, not the Windows core.
11:22:07 <ChrisMorgan> It just has to tell the operating system what to expect, I think.
11:22:36 <ChrisMorgan> On second consideration, the container might need an internal filesystem specified... hmm...
11:23:00 <ChrisMorgan> But anyway, I'm not aware of any /disk/ caching happening with NTFS at all... it rather destroys the point of it, I think it's all memory.
11:24:43 <RaulFR> ok :-)
11:29:55 <RaulFR> thanks a lot for your inputs
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11:30:15 <Dynetrekk> is it possible to get a portableapp suite not packaged as an exe file?
11:30:47 <RaulFR> btw, on my FAT32 key, the file size limitation seems to be 4Go, because I can store there a 3596 Mb image
11:31:52 <RaulFR> but it won't allow me a 5Gb image, it fails with a silly message complaining that there not enough space on the device
11:32:44 <ChrisMorgan> Ya
11:32:59 <ChrisMorgan> Dynetrekk: no, all our things are installers
11:33:54 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: I don't have a windows PC, but I would like the suite. I'm going somewhere to present, and I need exactly your software.
11:34:06 <ChrisMorgan> It's Windows-only software
11:34:11 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: oh, btw, if you're a developer, I'd like to see VLC in there, too :)
11:34:17 <ChrisMorgan> We've got VLC
11:34:22 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: I'd like to prepare the thumb drive now, and use it on a windows machine later
11:34:28 <ChrisMorgan> ah
11:34:29 <Dynetrekk> if possible?
11:34:37 <ChrisMorgan> If you've got WINE?
11:34:47 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: nope, sorry
11:34:58 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry then, but no, not really.
11:35:06 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: but I've got a remote desktop windows machine available. can I install to a folder and move it to my thumb drive from over the network?
11:35:21 <ChrisMorgan> You could pry the files loose out of it with 7-Zip, but that's a bit messy as directory names change etc.
11:35:24 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
11:35:30 <ChrisMorgan> They're portable :-)
11:36:05 <Dynetrekk> ah, so run the installer, grab the dir, and put on my thumb drive as soon as I get the files back on my mac. right?
11:36:15 <ChrisMorgan> Yup, that'll do :-)
11:37:03 <Dynetrekk> great! the bloody conference won't post what kind of software and shit they've got on the presenter's PC
11:37:07 <ChrisMorgan> The only instance where things may get broken moving around is when you change folder location. Some (e.g. Songbird) don't like that and break. But drive letter moving they do well :-)
11:37:18 <ChrisMorgan> Please control your language, Dynetrekk
11:37:19 <Dynetrekk> so a USB key well prepared would be nice
11:37:26 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: ah
11:37:41 <ChrisMorgan> You're right though, having the software with you to do it is a great help
11:39:11 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: good thing I found your webpage today...
11:39:29 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
11:39:42 <ChrisMorgan> "You have just discovered life." ;-)
11:41:06 <Dynetrekk> hehe
11:41:26 <Dynetrekk> I usually don't have to use win computers, fortunately. but every now and then...
11:41:42 <ChrisMorgan> I'll let that slide ;-)
11:43:17 <Dynetrekk> hehe... who wouldn't
11:44:53 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: if I get it right, portableapps is essentially a package manager for windows? ish?
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11:49:09 <ChrisMorgan> Not really yet.
11:49:42 <ChrisMorgan> We're heading that way with the PortableApps.com Updater (more a package manager really now) but each app is individually made, tweaked, etc.
11:49:47 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: you're one of the developer?
11:49:51 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
11:50:07 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: I must admit, good work. I thought this kind of thing was completely not feasible
11:50:10 <ChrisMorgan> Currently it's a collection of portable applications and a platform.
11:50:27 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: the platform itself is GPL, too?
11:50:30 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
11:50:35 <Dynetrekk> sweet sweet stuff
11:50:43 <ChrisMorgan> Disclaimer: my only official app released is BPBible Portable... Inkscape and gVim coming up for official release very shortly.
11:50:57 <ChrisMorgan> But I'm becoming ever more involved in the core :-)
11:51:06 <Dynetrekk> aha, I see. BPBible?
11:51:14 <ChrisMorgan> http://bpbible.com/
11:51:21 <Dynetrekk> I heard of inkskape. and I rather like vim, even if I like textmate better...
11:51:54 <ChrisMorgan> Available for Mac if you like... but you'll need to build it yourself with xcode and build your own SWORD bindings... no package available yet.
11:52:48 <Dynetrekk> there is a macvim, I've got it. I just prefer textmate for now.
11:52:56 <Dynetrekk> I might change in the future, who knows
11:53:07 <ChrisMorgan> It's a great program
11:53:34 <Dynetrekk> it is, but the learning curve is rather steep
11:53:39 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
11:54:00 <Dynetrekk> and generally I find textmate more convenient - but I do like the "modal" idea. I always use vim in terminal.
11:54:01 <ChrisMorgan> I got trained in it while young... I grew up with it as my Dad likes it :-)
11:56:37 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: lucky you. noone ever told me how to use a computer until I turned 20ish
11:56:56 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, I was rather fortunate in that among many other things.
11:57:10 <ChrisMorgan> AND I still haven't got round to turning 20...
11:57:19 <ChrisMorgan> Still got 2 and a half years to go.
11:57:50 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: lucky you. I'm doing a phd in physics and I usually have to self-teach the computer stuff I need. it's fun sometimes, but can be terribly frustrating
11:58:12 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh, that must be fun... what area of Physics are you dealing with?
11:58:28 <ChrisMorgan> Understand one thing: Linux is better than Mac ;-)
11:59:21 <Dynetrekk> optics. computational. although I've just spent my first year (1 year this week btw) taking courses and teaching. I've done some simulations that I'm presenting at a conference next week. your apps to the rescue, there!
11:59:28 <Dynetrekk> I use linux for the stuff it's good at
11:59:40 <ChrisMorgan> You must use it a lot ;-)
11:59:55 <Dynetrekk> the desktop computers at work all run linux, and I run a lot of calculations there. but for my laptop, I prefer a mac
12:00:01 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds interesting. I like physics and maths lots :-)
12:00:13 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: then go study physics AND math
12:00:19 <ChrisMorgan> I am :-)
12:00:34 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: if you're good enough with computers to use VIM, don't study computer science. you'd be bored out of your scull.
12:00:38 <Dynetrekk> in a university?
12:00:43 <ChrisMorgan> Year 12
12:00:53 <ChrisMorgan> I'm looking more at Software Engineering
12:01:07 <ChrisMorgan> physics, maths methods, specialist maths, and first year uni maths
12:01:40 <ChrisMorgan> (Top two of three maths lines here in Victoria, Australia, plus the Uni extension course)
12:01:41 <Dynetrekk> year 12, is that final year in high school? (I'm norwegian, btw, school system's different. noone cares if you say shit here.)
12:01:54 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
12:01:55 <Dynetrekk> sounds like you're doing a good job
12:02:01 <ChrisMorgan> It's good fun :-)
12:02:25 <Dynetrekk> but do they teach you physics? here, you just barely learn physics in high school
12:02:49 <ChrisMorgan> The way it works here you get to do 6 subjects in 11 and 12, and Physics is one of them.
12:03:02 <ChrisMorgan> (6 in each, that is)
12:03:07 <Dynetrekk> right
12:03:16 <Dynetrekk> so, you don't learn a lot, but you do learn some?
12:03:28 <ChrisMorgan> I learn lots :-)
12:03:39 <ChrisMorgan> Nowhere near as much as you have, but lots :-)
12:03:55 <Dynetrekk> good for you
12:04:08 <ChrisMorgan> English is required, and Texts and Traditions (treating the Bible as literature) is required at our school, but my other four lines are all maths and physics :-)
12:04:39 <Dynetrekk> bible studies? fascinating. I bet math and physics are more fun :P
12:05:11 <ChrisMorgan> The only problem with T&T is that they're dealing with the Bible as /literature/ rather than life-changing stuff...
12:05:41 <Dynetrekk> the bible isn't that much fun of a read, in my experience
12:05:44 <ChrisMorgan> Religion is a lot more important in my life than maths or physics though.
12:05:47 <Dynetrekk> life-changing, how?
12:06:20 <ChrisMorgan> It's meant to change your life, to worshipping God rather than ... nothing.
12:06:31 <Dynetrekk> ChrisMorgan: and oyu want to keep doing that?
12:06:47 <ChrisMorgan> You're missing out on lots if you think the Bible is boring...
12:06:55 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
12:07:26 <Dynetrekk> I haven't read much of the bible
12:07:33 <ChrisMorgan> Try it :-)
12:07:46 <Dynetrekk> well, then I'd give up studying math and physics... most people who do, give up their religion. even more so with biology.
12:08:11 <ChrisMorgan> I have no intention of doing so. I think "most" is a /vast/ overstatement.
12:08:31 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, I've got to go 9 minutes ago. Bye.
12:08:51 <Dynetrekk> right, bye. good luck with the physics and all.
12:09:00 <ChrisMorgan> Have fun with PortableApps.com :-)
12:09:03 <Dynetrekk> I think it was 95%.
12:09:06 <Dynetrekk> yeah, thanks!
12:09:13 <ChrisMorgan> That figure is spurious. Bye :-)
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12:50:29 <Bensawsome> yo Dynetrekk you are a mac user? :3
12:50:43 <Dynetrekk> Bensawsome: yep. why do you ask?
12:50:49 <Bensawsome> lol i am too :)
12:50:53 <Dynetrekk> good for you
12:51:03 <Bensawsome> also to tell you that there are mac portableapps
12:51:17 <Bensawsome> http://www.freesmug.org/portableapps
12:51:22 <Dynetrekk> Bensawsome: mac apps are close enough to portable, I think?
12:51:31 <Dynetrekk> no installation procedure needed, usually
12:51:42 <Bensawsome> no these actually keep your settings on your usb drive
12:51:48 <Dynetrekk> Bensawsome: ah, I see
12:51:55 <Bensawsome> instead ofd in the current users home directory
12:51:59 <Bensawsome> yep ^_^
12:52:18 <Dynetrekk> Bensawsome: my main motivation for coming here, though, is that I need to make sure that a win computer at unspecified location has the software I need
12:52:29 <Bensawsome> ah ya
12:52:40 <Bensawsome> i saw what u said about that
12:52:43 <Dynetrekk> my mac is portable, so that solves that problem :) but thanks, I'll keep it in mind for future reference
12:52:47 <Bensawsome> that is annoying when they dont tell you :/
12:52:52 <Dynetrekk> oh yes
12:52:55 <Bensawsome> macbook/pro?
12:53:00 <Dynetrekk> macbook pro
12:53:04 <Bensawsome> ^_^
12:53:09 <Bensawsome> one of the unibody ones?
12:53:17 <Dynetrekk> no, the model before
12:53:21 <Bensawsome> ah ok
12:53:25 <Bensawsome> still nice though
12:53:28 <Dynetrekk> indeed
12:53:39 <Bensawsome> i gots me one of the new unibodys ^_^
12:53:46 <Bensawsome> it is very nice
12:53:52 <Dynetrekk> although, I must admit, I liked my old 13inch white plastic macbook at least as much
12:53:59 <Bensawsome> :D
12:54:00 <Bensawsome> ya
12:54:02 <Dynetrekk> in most respects
12:54:15 <Bensawsome> i wanted to get the 13 inch macbook pro but it didnt have the right specs
12:54:20 <Dynetrekk> the 13in mbp alu seems like the sweetest right now
12:54:25 <Dynetrekk> ah, what specs? gpu?
12:54:30 <Bensawsome> i needed to get the higher specs which only the 15+ inch had
12:54:42 <Bensawsome> i have 512mb geforce...
12:54:43 <Bensawsome> umm
12:54:44 <Bensawsome> lol
12:54:47 <Bensawsome> 9600 i think
12:54:56 <Dynetrekk> I see. me too, back when the white plastic was the only 13inch
12:54:58 <Bensawsome> and biult in 256mb geforcfe 9400
12:55:05 <Dynetrekk> but the new mbp alu 13in seems good
12:55:12 <Bensawsome> ya
12:55:20 <Dynetrekk> would be for me, at least
12:55:27 <Bensawsome> lol ya i game
12:55:30 <Bensawsome> so...
12:55:38 <Bensawsome> and then.... i have the 3.06 ghz procesor. and 500gb 7200rpm hdd
12:55:50 <Dynetrekk> that's one serious laptop
12:55:54 <Bensawsome> 4gb of ram (which will be 8gb as of august 2010 :3)
12:55:56 <Bensawsome> ya it is ^_^
12:56:13 <Dynetrekk> what are you doing with it?
12:56:18 <Bensawsome> everything
12:56:19 <Bensawsome> XD
12:56:26 <Bensawsome> school, multimedia, gaming...
12:56:28 <Dynetrekk> web browsing? gotta have 8gb ram for that
12:56:34 <Bensawsome> yep XD
12:57:00 <Bensawsome> if they had quad core i would of gotten that so i could run multiple virtual machines with parellels
12:57:05 <Bensawsome> but alas!
12:57:05 <Dynetrekk> right. I've got work to do that's in a hurry. I'll be back, I guess
12:57:11 <Bensawsome> oh ok cya :)
12:57:12 <Dynetrekk> you can still do that
12:57:20 <Dynetrekk> I tried
12:57:22 <Bensawsome> ya but its slow as molases
12:57:24 <Bensawsome> lol
12:57:28 <Dynetrekk> depends what you do in the VMs
12:57:32 <Bensawsome> lol
12:57:33 <Dynetrekk> right, see you
12:57:35 <Bensawsome> i do big things XD
12:57:37 <Bensawsome> cya :)
12:57:38 <Dynetrekk> (was fine with virtualbox)
12:57:41 <Dynetrekk> bye
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12:58:34 <Bensawsome> mac geek time is over D: lol
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13:38:05 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton
13:39:31 <SteveLamerton> hi Gizmokid2005
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13:42:52 * SteveLamerton is sad, more peole respond to a thread about how many times you should have to input a password to decrypt a file than my pre-releases
13:43:38 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: it makes you wonder sometimes doesn't it?
13:43:57 <SteveLamerton> Yep, like what is the point ;)
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13:44:40 <Gizmokid2005> yep
13:45:32 <SteveLamerton> So I expect I'll have to change that not rather than work on stuff that is actually useful to people
13:47:17 <Gizmokid2005> yeah :("
13:48:51 <SteveLamerton> Still that is just the way it goes with giving other people an opinion ;)
13:49:53 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, that it is
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15:11:39 <SteveLamerton> Release: Toucan 2.2.0 Pre-Release 1 : http://portableapps.com/node/20633
15:12:19 <Gizmokid2005> :D
15:12:58 <Bensawsome> lolwut
15:13:05 <Bensawsome> oh sry wrong channel ¬_¬
15:13:15 <Bensawsome> lol too tired to irc XD
15:18:56 <Bensawsome> SteveLamerton ur a mod on the forums right?
15:19:18 <SteveLamerton> Yep
15:19:25 <Bensawsome> triple post >_< http://portableapps.com/node/20609#comment-126958
15:19:27 <Bensawsome> lol
15:19:39 <Bensawsome> lol
15:19:51 <Bensawsome> frankly im not sure if that was accidental or not but whatever >_>
15:20:00 <Bensawsome> this guy has been eh from the start
15:21:06 <SteveLamerton> Thanks Bensawsome, fixed
15:21:14 <Bensawsome> ^_^ np
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18:12:04 <pa_8439> hello
18:12:54 <pa_8439> is there a posibility to edit or add new folders in the portableapps window
18:16:54 <OliverK> yes there is
18:17:22 <pa_8439> nice... how do I do that
18:18:34 <OliverK> i'm searching
18:23:52 <OliverK> i'll be back, it has to do with the appinfo.ini file
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21:40:24 <gluxon> ?
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22:19:45 <Chazz> hey powerjuce :D
22:20:05 <powerjuce> hey Chazz
22:20:11 <powerjuce> .def Chazz
22:20:13 <pabot> powerjuce: Database error occurred
22:20:15 <powerjuce> lol
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22:20:29 <powerjuce> hey Chazz u worked on bash?
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22:21:07 <Chazz> powerjuce, just got back from school a bit ago, so not yet
22:21:15 <Chazz> was there an issue w/ it?
22:21:23 <powerjuce> no i mean u r the dev rite?
22:21:32 <Chazz> lol, ya :P
22:21:47 * Chazz looks around, makes sure he's not a Chazz imposter :P
22:21:56 <powerjuce> ok found just a couple things
22:22:06 <powerjuce> i will put it into the forum, but i will set u kno b4 hand
22:22:18 <Chazz> ok, thanks :)
22:22:36 <powerjuce> C:\Documents and Settings\<insert usrnme here>\Local Settings\Temp\nsnA.tmp\newadvsplash.dll
22:22:37 <powerjuce> C:\.bash_history
22:22:43 <powerjuce> those were left behind
22:22:51 <powerjuce> i ran it twice i saw it both times
22:22:58 <Chazz> ok
22:23:15 <powerjuce> i also ran it with process manager and the bashportable process had successfully exited, however the files were still there
22:23:37 <Chazz> ya, i think i sorta forgot to remove the newadvsplash.dll
22:24:40 <Chazz> and, the .bash_history never existed when most other people checked it, although i think sar3th said he saw it also
22:25:09 <powerjuce> althogh dont wry 2 much about the newadvsplash.dll
22:25:15 <powerjuce> i gotta do another check 2morrow
22:25:25 <Chazz> ah
22:25:32 <powerjuce> that should not hav been there, i think it was my comp that locked it in place
22:25:39 <Chazz> ooh
22:25:41 <Chazz> ok then
22:26:05 <Chazz> powerjuce, what would happen if NSIS was supposed to remove a file that didn't exist?
22:26:16 <powerjuce> nothing really
22:26:27 <Chazz> ok, good :)
22:26:28 <powerjuce> it would just return zero and move on
22:26:42 <Chazz> ah
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22:27:05 <kirbyiwaki> hello
22:27:14 <Chazz> hello kirbyiwaki
22:27:22 <powerjuce> hey kirbyiwaki
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22:30:55 <kirbyiwaki> I have a simple question if you don't mind
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22:31:31 <kirbyiwaki> I installed the suite in an usb, and when first opened ffox, it asked me something I don't remember xD...
22:32:43 <kirbyiwaki> one option said "for faster drives", the other for slower...
22:32:48 <Bensawsome> oh
22:32:49 <Bensawsome> ummm
22:32:56 <Bensawsome> cant remember
22:33:00 <kirbyiwaki> I choosed faster, but apparently I should choose slower
22:33:23 <kirbyiwaki> so firefox almost freezes a lot
22:33:23 <Bensawsome> try dling just firefox portable again and do a fresh install in a different location and open the fresh install and see what it is
22:33:36 <kirbyiwaki> ok...
22:33:36 <Bensawsome> *what it says
22:33:54 <kirbyiwaki> can I install it without admin privilegies?
22:33:58 <Bensawsome> yep
22:34:09 <Bensawsome> sorry though.. i dunno what the exact setting is :/
22:34:56 <kirbyiwaki> can't do it now, then
22:34:59 <kirbyiwaki> xD
22:35:02 <kirbyiwaki> thanks
22:35:09 <Bensawsome> lol
22:35:11 <Bensawsome> ok XD
22:35:16 <Bensawsome> no prob
22:35:24 <Bensawsome> if you have anymore questions feel free to come back
22:36:10 <kirbyiwaki> I'll DL it and install it in my house
22:36:17 <kirbyiwaki> so I'll be back o0o
22:36:20 <kirbyiwaki> see ya~
22:36:24 <Bensawsome> ok cya :)
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22:36:34 <Bensawsome> wait
22:36:37 <Bensawsome> lol
22:36:38 <Bensawsome> or not
22:36:51 <Bensawsome> i think he misunderstood me when he asked if he can install without admin :/
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23:17:20 <pa_3057> help
23:17:21 <pabot> pa_3057: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
23:17:38 <Chazz> pa_3057, with what do you need help?
23:18:29 <pa_3057> Greetins, I can't seem to get the Wi Fi to work. I only bought the touch yesterday, can you help please?
23:19:27 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3057: you mean ipod touch?
23:19:51 <pa_3057> yes, thanks
23:19:57 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3057: we can't help you with that...
23:20:03 <Gizmokid2005> you'd want to search http://support.apple.com
23:20:08 <Gizmokid2005> not this IRC channel.
23:20:16 <Gizmokid2005> we don't even have anything to do with Apple products at all.
23:28:41 <powerjuce> pa_3057: try this /msg alis search *mac*
23:29:02 <powerjuce> pa_3057: try this /msg alis list *mac*
23:29:17 <Bensawsome> try the channel ##apple
23:29:23 <powerjuce> i sugeest u try #macosx
23:29:23 <Bensawsome> or ##mac
23:29:26 <Bensawsome> or #macosx
23:29:27 <Bensawsome> lol
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23:39:47 <Bensawsome> wow... just wow.....
23:39:51 <Bensawsome> palogbot: uri
23:39:51 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-09-03#T23-39-51
23:40:03 <Bensawsome> i iz goin to save dis XD
23:40:09 <Chazz> lol
23:40:24 * Chazz wonders why he askedc ys :/
23:40:42 <Bensawsome> lol
23:40:44 <Bensawsome> dude
23:40:47 <Bensawsome> its portable
23:40:49 <Bensawsome> and it has apps
23:40:52 <Chazz> lol
23:41:02 <Bensawsome> some people are just stupid like that :/
23:41:15 <Chazz> portable apps!=portableapps :P
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