IRC Log from 2009-09-05
00:00:31 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
00:00:43 <ChrisMorgan> howdee ZachThibeau
00:01:30 <ZachThibeau> hmm I seemed to have stumbled on a compiler error :? fix time :D
00:01:48 <ChrisMorgan> No-one has responded to my super-long post at http://portableapps.com/node/20644 entitled "The Tower of Babel in the Land of PortableApps.com"...
00:02:32 <ZachThibeau> to be honest I didn't see it as I haven't been on portableapps.com today :P
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00:04:40 <pa_5261> help
00:04:46 <pa_5261> flash player
00:04:49 <pa_5261> firefox
00:04:53 <pa_5261> portable
00:05:00 <ZachThibeau> please
00:05:01 <ChrisMorgan> What's your problem with it, pa_5261?
00:05:01 <ZachThibeau> in
00:05:09 <ZachThibeau> 1 sentence
00:05:43 <pa_5261> how do i install flash player on portable firefox
00:05:59 <ChrisMorgan> There's a test out for it
00:06:06 <pa_5261> ...
00:06:17 <ChrisMorgan> .g site:portableapps.com flash plugin test
00:06:17 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/15501
00:06:19 <ChrisMorgan> .title
00:06:20 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: Flash Plugin for Firefox Portable 0.1 (Functional Test Release) | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
00:06:23 <ChrisMorgan> That's the one
00:06:38 <ZachThibeau> another one is http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#plugins
00:06:50 <ZachThibeau> just gives general info about how to install flash, shockwave etc
00:06:58 <pa_5261> ty
00:07:16 <pa_5261> have you guys worked on password protection yet
00:07:34 <ZachThibeau> password protection is pointless unless it done via hardware
00:07:45 <pa_5261> like, enter a password before you can use the platform and access the files
00:07:56 <ZachThibeau> because password protection via software is liable to fail
00:08:02 <ZachThibeau> and easy to bypass
00:08:30 <ZachThibeau> and some would require admininstrative proviliges
00:08:45 <ChrisMorgan> Though you do get some things like TrueCrypt and FreeOTFE; the problem is, to run things from them you've got to mount the thing as a drive letter, and installing the driver for that requires admin
00:08:59 <ZachThibeau> your best bet is to get a hardware encrypted usb key like ironkey as an example
00:09:05 <pa_5261> ceedoo can do it
00:09:13 <ChrisMorgan> Not really
00:09:19 <ChrisMorgan> It's a fake
00:09:33 <pa_5261> and i have a kingston securetraveler, so i know what you mean
00:09:38 <ChrisMorgan> ya
00:09:53 <pa_5261> ceedoo would have been good if it were free
00:10:03 <pa_5261> thats what makes you guys better
00:10:05 <ChrisMorgan> Enough to satisfy most users though; basic password protection in the same way (which can be got around by /anyone/ in the least technically inclined) may come for us
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00:10:50 <ChrisMorgan> Speaking not on the behalf of PortableApps.com, which would not be so nasty, Ceedo is pathetic... XP only, buggy, only works with some apps... who am I talking to? ;-)
00:11:26 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, ceedo works on vista, at least, it does for me
00:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> OK, they've fixed that in the past year or so.
00:11:47 <ChrisMorgan> Before that it was XP only.
00:11:49 <ZachThibeau> welcome back to the land of the living Chazz
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00:12:29 <ChrisMorgan> Well Zach, have you read http://portableapps.com/node/20644 ? If so, what do you think of it?
00:12:33 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626 and RSSOwl Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/19271
00:12:34 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Gizmokid2005 :-)
00:13:01 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005: howdy Michael
00:13:25 <ZachThibeau> everything above eye level today?
00:13:42 <Gizmokid2005> hello ChrisMorgan, ZachThibeau. Yep. I had to unhook everything to go blow out my PC
00:13:47 <Gizmokid2005> runs MUCH quieter now :D
00:13:49 <Gizmokid2005> and cooler
00:13:52 <ZachThibeau> lol
00:13:58 <ZachThibeau> I'm building a server pc
00:13:58 <Gizmokid2005> it was holding steady at 55C on the CPU now, it's down to 42C
00:13:59 <ZachThibeau> :D
00:14:32 <ChrisMorgan> One of our home PCs had started dying on a regular basis... it was sitting at 90 degrees Celcius with nothing happening, and then it would graadduallly creep up to 95 and die.
00:14:56 <ChrisMorgan> So we opened it up, and the CPU fan was clogged, and the heatsink was *clogged*.
00:15:15 <ChrisMorgan> So we cleaned it up, applied new thermal paste, and hey ho, it's back in business, sitting at 25 or so
00:15:19 <Gizmokid2005> yep
00:15:21 <Gizmokid2005> that'll do it.
00:15:28 <Gizmokid2005> took a few hundred hours off it too
00:15:40 <ZachThibeau> well my server pc is going to be cool :D AMD Phenom true Quadcore system with 4 ddr2 sdram slots :D going to install as much ram as I can possible
00:15:49 <ChrisMorgan> And the fan had been only managing 800-1300rpm, now it sits on last year.
00:15:55 <ZachThibeau> and that oddly enough sounds like my old pentium 1 pc I installed windows xp on ChrisMorgan :P
00:16:05 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: already one step ahead of you, BUT, that's my desktop :D
00:16:05 <ChrisMorgan> This was a C2D E6300
00:16:06 <ZachThibeau> but it didn't have a clogged fan or heatsink >_<
00:20:42 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: well, if you were in control of the rewriting of the platform (and possibly launchers) in another language, what would you choose?
00:20:55 <ZachThibeau> c++ with Wxwidgets for the platform
00:21:07 <Chazz> Bah! Perl is better!
00:21:22 * ChrisMorgan reckons Perl is /not/ better for GUI things :-)
00:21:58 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, Perl for the backend,
00:21:59 <ZachThibeau> Perl leads to hashing, hashing leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
00:22:08 <ChrisMorgan> YAY! ;-)
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00:22:21 <ChrisMorgan> :/
00:22:29 <Chazz> Not yay!
00:22:44 <ZachThibeau> wow what did gluxon do :P
00:23:00 <ChrisMorgan> dunno, dunwannano
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00:23:25 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: how large would C++/wxWidgets executables be? How about if you could isolate the wx DLLs etc. for sharing, how can that work?
00:23:51 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, he pasted me a log :P
00:24:25 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: well all my wxwidgets apps are usually are statically linked and also compiled with Visual Studio 2008 I got mine down to less than a meg
00:24:53 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... how about dynamically linked with wx?
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00:25:23 <ZachThibeau> don't know as I prefer statically linked than dynamically linked
00:25:28 <ChrisMorgan> k
00:25:39 <ChrisMorgan> That's worthwhile taking into account then, much smaller than I thought. So wxC++ is a viable platform for the platform.
00:25:59 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, why not keep Delphi?
00:26:08 <ChrisMorgan> CHAZZ!?
00:26:18 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: DUH
00:26:22 <Chazz> huh?
00:26:23 <Gizmokid2005> because Delphi isn't free
00:26:25 <ChrisMorgan> We won't be. Just take it as a fact.
00:26:26 <Chazz> oh
00:26:27 <Gizmokid2005> that's enough reason.
00:26:50 <ChrisMorgan> And also, to quote from my article, "a change from the current system where John's the only one who can do anything, as it's using a build system which costs money, and isn't for sale any more either (leastways I can't find Delphi 2006 for (legal) sale, and I seem to recall John saying it didn't work with Delphi 2010"
00:27:10 <ChrisMorgan> s/2010"/2010)"/
00:27:52 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: if you could comment on that article, that'd be nice :-)
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00:29:13 <ZachThibeau> eventually I'm busy with some compiling releases on some of my projects and working on bug fixing on mp3k
00:29:25 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I've got to go now, I expect to be back later today.
00:29:57 <ChrisMorgan> I hadn't thought statically linked wxC++ was so small... so if it really is as small or so as it is now, that's really something...
00:30:15 <gluxon> Why did John even use Delphi in the first place if it wasn't even free?
00:30:18 <ZachThibeau> well thats with optimizations really
00:30:31 <ChrisMorgan> That's fine, we don't care about needing opts :D
00:30:32 <gluxon> I thought he was a big supporter of GPL and Open Source stuff.
00:30:39 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: what he was familiar with.
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00:31:11 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: it's a long story but the platform was something from an idea a user who submited the idea and it spurred an idea in John and ironically the platform the user submitted was in delphi (IIRC anyways)
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00:39:16 <gluxon> So John didn't write it from scratch?
00:39:24 <gluxon> oh wait..
00:39:28 <gluxon> sorry, mis tead.
00:39:36 <gluxon> *mis read
00:39:41 <Chazz> gluxon, miss
00:39:50 <gluxon> :?D
00:39:52 <gluxon> ...
00:39:59 <gluxon> I'm making so many typos today :(
00:40:37 <ZachThibeau> he did write it from scratch he just based it off that idea
00:41:31 <Gizmokid2005> he wrote it in something he knew...in other words, had i hearda bout it, I probably would've tried VB and somehow transferred it into something that doesn't require .net
00:41:39 <Gizmokid2005> or make it a req to need .net
00:41:41 <Gizmokid2005> but you get the idea
00:42:25 <gluxon> ? But why Delphi? C++ doesn't require .net (unless it's a M.S. compiler)
00:42:39 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: read...probably because that's what he knew...
00:42:52 <gluxon> I meant why I learned it in the first place.
00:42:57 <gluxon> *he
00:43:09 <Gizmokid2005> who knows
00:43:09 <gluxon> not "I" :)
00:43:15 <gluxon> oh :(
00:44:42 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: even a microsoft compiler won't make your c++ program need .net :P
00:44:59 <Chazz> Zach would know :P
00:45:12 <ZachThibeau> c# uses .net
00:45:28 <gluxon> Oh...
00:45:40 <gluxon> So C++ rocks even more now :P
00:46:23 <ZachThibeau> hmm I wonder if I still have that old menu that spurred the idea for the platform
00:48:52 * gluxon wants a copy!
00:49:19 <ZachThibeau> :/ I don't have it, seems like it's packed away in a box
00:49:28 <ZachThibeau> and set in storage
00:49:40 <ZachThibeau> I had it on a dvd with other files I backed up from my old computer
00:50:43 <ZachThibeau> there was also a c++ port of the platform back a while ago too :P
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00:58:07 <ZachThibeau> http://portableapps.com/node/5968 there is the c++ version :P
00:58:22 <ZachThibeau> I should take that up and mod it to be up to date with the current release
00:59:04 <gluxon> thanks :D
01:01:00 <gluxon> sweet :D
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01:11:09 <GizmoBot> timclark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
01:11:37 <Chazz> hi timclark
01:12:05 <Gizmokid2005> hello timclark
01:12:07 <Gizmokid2005> PM?
01:12:30 <timclark> Gizmokid2005: just the man i was looking for , yes pm
01:12:33 <timclark> and hello Chazz
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01:24:07 <timclark> wow, KevinMPorter is here, hi KevinMPorter :D
01:25:19 <ZachThibeau> actually I don't think he is if the M is there in his name then I think his network gave out and he is away
01:25:27 <ZachThibeau> I could be wrong though
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02:24:21 <Chazz> hey rmccue! :D
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03:07:03 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
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03:41:33 <dbdii407> rmccue's here :O
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03:42:46 <Chazz> heh
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03:48:05 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Jacobm001, KevinMPorter
03:48:10 <Jacobm001> hi how goes it?
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03:48:38 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I would like comments on my musings at http://portableapps.com/node/20644 ...
03:49:04 <JacobMastel> I'll take a look
03:49:06 <ChrisMorgan> Gotta add C++/wxWidgets as an option though... Zach says statically linked and optimised it's around 1 MB
03:49:21 <ChrisMorgan> I thought up a nice title for it... :D
03:49:22 <ChrisMorgan> .title
03:49:22 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: The Tower of Babel in the Land of PortableApps.com | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
03:49:34 <JacobMastel> Does anyone know of a free way to sync contacts and calendar from my gmail acount to Outlook 2007?
03:49:46 <JacobMastel> I could drop the calendar though it's the contacts I'll kill for.
03:49:55 <JacobMastel> :P
03:49:57 <ChrisMorgan> Should be. Search! :-)
03:50:38 <Chazz> O_O
03:51:04 <ChrisMorgan> e.g. http://www.google.com/search?q=gmail+sync+contacts+outlook
03:51:42 <JacobMastel> yeah i've gone that route...I was hoping someone would just pop with an answer :P
03:51:51 <JacobMastel> I got a crapload of useless stuff :P
03:51:54 <Gizmokid2005> I know it was asked recently
03:51:54 <JacobMastel> I'll just dig a bit deeper
03:51:57 <Gizmokid2005> and there was a way to do it
03:51:59 <JacobMastel> Really?
03:52:05 <Gizmokid2005> but I don't recall what it was...
03:52:06 <Gizmokid2005> sorry JacobMastel :(
03:52:14 <JacobMastel> THINK HARD CHECK LOGS!!! :P
03:52:17 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, Google Sync thingy
03:52:19 <JacobMastel> Alright I'll find it
03:52:29 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: as I say at the end of the post, it's longer than I intended :P
03:52:30 <JacobMastel> That only works if you have a google apps acount
03:52:41 <ChrisMorgan> That is the bit I wasn't sure about.
03:52:48 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, you could write a small essay about PHP-GTK :P
03:53:00 <ChrisMorgan> Why though?
03:53:07 <Chazz> why not? :P
03:53:10 <ChrisMorgan> Really, the precis at the top sums it up :P
03:53:25 <Chazz> mhmm
03:53:57 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't really have any objections to wxC++, just PHP+PHP-GTK seems more convenient for development etc.
03:54:15 * Chazz still thinks Perl
03:54:20 <ChrisMorgan> It would also give PHP-GTK a leg up, make it much more popular :D
03:54:31 * ChrisMorgan still DOESN'T!
03:54:41 * dbdii407 is totally lost. Mind explaining?
03:54:42 * Chazz thinks we shld do it in whitespace! :P
03:54:46 <Chazz> dbdii407, no
03:54:57 <ChrisMorgan> dbdii407: read http://portableapps.com/node/20644
03:55:07 <ChrisMorgan> You'll need about three quarters of an hour spare :P
03:55:14 <Chazz> lol
03:55:38 <dbdii407> Oh. I thought it was for all the lauchers
03:55:39 <dbdii407> :x
03:55:43 <ChrisMorgan> In my opinion, we'd want to go with either a compiled language, or an interpreted language (preferably not compiled as it makes it smaller but less useful).
03:55:44 <dbdii407> launchers*
03:55:54 <ChrisMorgan> dbdii407: my essay is on platform AND launchers
03:56:02 <dbdii407> Ouch. :x
03:56:32 <dbdii407> I dont want to change. D:
03:56:33 <ChrisMorgan> And shameless self-promotion of Manta :D
03:56:37 <dbdii407> I hardly understand C++
03:56:41 <dbdii407> Let alone C :x
03:56:42 <ChrisMorgan> dbdii407: face it, we're changing.
03:56:50 <ChrisMorgan> For the platform at least.
03:57:19 <dbdii407> That's going to effect..... a lot... :s
03:57:22 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just proposing an option which would allow us to change the launchers too, and make them more powerful (we're currently heading towards narrowing down techniques)
03:57:28 <JacobMastel> AWW I just found an evil sight that actually blocks ff :O
03:57:38 <dbdii407> JacobMastel, Link?
03:57:40 <Chazz> JacobMastel, SRSLY?
03:57:42 <Chazz> linky?
03:57:50 <dbdii407> It's called a link Chazz. :P
03:57:57 <ChrisMorgan> JacobMastel: UA-based?
03:58:02 <Chazz> dbdii407, linky sounds funner :P
03:58:34 <ChrisMorgan> wxC++ seems to be about the smallest option. But PHP with PHP-GTK for UI components would be more flexible, and if including the launchers too, possibly in the long run smaller...
04:01:48 <ChrisMorgan> JacobMastel: http://blog.zerone.weblusa.org/guide/sync-gmail-contacts-and-google-calendar-with-outlook/ may well help
04:02:14 <JacobMastel> Sorry for some reason pidgin isn't makeing noises
04:02:21 <JacobMastel> https://www.giftcardbalance123.com/
04:02:45 <JacobMastel> Yeah they actually say must be opened in Internet Exploder
04:03:00 <ChrisMorgan> Not surprising, that's one way of doing it.
04:03:23 <ChrisMorgan> It should be able to done with the Google APIs.
04:04:02 <Gizmokid2005> i bet if you change your browser info it'll let you in.
04:04:17 <ChrisMorgan> Probably UA-based
04:04:23 <Gizmokid2005> that's what I mean
04:04:25 <Gizmokid2005> UserAgent
04:04:27 <Gizmokid2005> ty ChrisMorgan :D
04:04:42 <ChrisMorgan> That's how they normally are
04:05:43 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, if I switch to IETab
04:05:44 <Gizmokid2005> it works
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04:05:47 <Gizmokid2005> and takes me here: https://www.giftcardbalance123.com/LoginGiftCardBalance123.aspx
04:06:10 <ChrisMorgan> Quite interesting technique... it looks to me like they're blocking it at /firewall/ level!
04:06:21 <ChrisMorgan> So that it /never even gets to the server/
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04:07:33 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... unless there's something wrong with something...?
04:09:21 <ChrisMorgan> No, just checked it in IE (as well as via ping) and I just can't find the server at all.
04:10:46 <Gizmokid2005> works for me
04:10:58 <ChrisMorgan> Well it ain't workin' for me here in Melbourne :-)
04:11:02 <Gizmokid2005> tis for me :D
04:11:11 <ChrisMorgan> Can't find the DNS entry from here.
04:11:39 <Gizmokid2005> well, it's bed time
04:11:42 <Gizmokid2005> see ya'll later
04:11:46 <Chazz> night Gizmokid2005
04:11:51 <ChrisMorgan> gnit'e
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04:14:05 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: when including lists in HTML, you've got to have a <ul> tag around the <li> tags - i.e. <ul><li>This</li><li>That</li></ul>. Replace ul (unordered list) with ol (ordered list) and you'll get numbers instead of dots.
04:14:19 <Chazz> oh
04:14:22 <ChrisMorgan> And also 2009-9-4 should be 2009-09-04 :D
04:15:21 <ChrisMorgan> Also if you've only got one li you might as well just merge it to the Development Test n (yyyy-mm-dd) line after a :
04:15:47 <Chazz> good ide!
04:16:36 <Chazz> good idea too!
04:18:05 <JacobMastel> ChrisMorgan: no offense but all the language stuff just goes over my head. I'm not a programmer I'll just leave that stuff to you guys.
04:18:10 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: updated d/t
04:18:23 <Chazz> thanks ChrisMorgan
04:18:24 <ChrisMorgan> JacobMastel: that's fine :-) If you have any opinions or requests though feel free to chip in :-)
04:18:34 <ChrisMorgan> You've done an NSIS launcher or few though.
04:18:43 <ChrisMorgan> Is it just Jooleem for you?
04:18:45 <Chazz> JacobMastel, just do what I do, yell "Use Perl!' :P
04:19:11 <JacobMastel> No I also did Stickies, and a few others
04:19:20 <JacobMastel> NSIS isn't programming
04:19:23 <JacobMastel> It's scripting
04:19:23 <JacobMastel> :P
04:19:24 <ChrisMorgan> OK
04:19:32 <ChrisMorgan> It's programming scripts for us :D
04:19:50 <ChrisMorgan> Well, as far as the launchers go, you're entitled to an opinion :P
04:20:00 <Whibo> bpbible
04:20:05 <JacobMastel> I did the beginnings of PeaZip, but I just wasn't home at summer. And the camp I was staffing at never got the promised internet :'(
04:20:22 <ChrisMorgan> Whibo: what're you trying to say?
04:20:32 <Whibo> nothin
04:20:36 <ChrisMorgan> :S
04:20:39 <Whibo> blue bycicle
04:20:45 * ChrisMorgan doesn't like PeaZip much anyway... essentially it's just 7-Zip watered down
04:20:50 <Whibo> banana
04:20:59 <ChrisMorgan> Whibo: if you're trying to say something useful, feel free, otherwise please hold your peace...
04:21:08 <Whibo> :)
04:21:30 <ChrisMorgan> Whibo uses BPBible Portable while riding along on a blue bycicle eating a banana doing nothin ;-)
04:21:53 <Chazz> lol
04:22:14 <JacobMastel> Yeah Chris i agree 7zip is better just not as pretty
04:22:26 <ChrisMorgan> Ya, that's the only pro of PZ
04:22:51 <ChrisMorgan> It's got less support than 7z too as well as fewer features in the actual use
04:23:13 <JacobMastel> I just downloaded the new 9x beta of 7-zip
04:23:24 <JacobMastel> I was really disappointed in the lack of new prettyness.
04:23:28 <ChrisMorgan> 9x?
04:23:34 <JacobMastel> And honestly I don't see any difference in how it runs.
04:23:54 <JacobMastel> 9.03
04:24:02 <JacobMastel> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=3382891&forum_id=45797
04:24:18 <JacobMastel> Ohh it updated to 9.07
04:26:00 <JacobMastel> Yeah big jump isn't it?
04:26:18 <ChrisMorgan> From 4.65 to 9.07!? :/
04:26:41 <JacobMastel> Well no like I said it went to 9.03 first :P
04:26:49 <ChrisMorgan> Still...
04:26:51 <JacobMastel> But yeah you gots it right.
04:26:56 <JacobMastel> With no new prettyness!!!
04:27:00 <JacobMastel> grr
04:27:18 <ChrisMorgan> If it's 743 times faster, I don't think I'm too fussed.
04:27:25 <ChrisMorgan> Unfortunately, I don't think it is.
04:27:30 <JacobMastel> No it isn't ;P
04:27:41 <JacobMastel> Like I said I don't seen ANY difference at all when useing it
04:29:48 <JacobMastel> Chris Morgan you played at all with google sync?
04:29:54 <JacobMastel> Darn wrong work
04:29:56 <JacobMastel> *word
04:29:57 <JacobMastel> .crap
04:30:02 <JacobMastel> google voice is what I ment
04:30:10 <ChrisMorgan> Ne'er used it
04:30:13 <ChrisMorgan> Either.
04:30:20 <ChrisMorgan> And please... you know.
04:30:29 <JacobMastel> Oh yeah the whole Ben thing sorry :P
04:32:00 <JacobMastel> Okay I'm trying to get cought up on all the Pa.c news from being gone for like 2.5 months. What exactly do the new launchers do?
04:32:08 <JacobMastel> Do we have the .nsh file yet?
04:32:20 <ChrisMorgan> JacobMastel: no generic launcher yet.
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04:32:39 <ChrisMorgan> John said earlier this week that he'd have it out this week "for sure" :P
04:32:43 <JacobMastel> Okay so we're still working through the .ini command then.
04:32:44 <ChrisMorgan> "Seriously" :P
04:32:50 <JacobMastel> Yeah well we know how well that works
04:32:56 <ChrisMorgan> We will be doing so.
04:32:59 <JacobMastel> If I had to bet my life on it I'd be Ben's :P
04:33:18 <ChrisMorgan> Could you please explain that remark?
04:33:23 <ChrisMorgan> (i.e. "huh?") :P
04:34:26 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: it's much better if you avoid extraneous line breaks in posts... it helps if you kill ALL empty lines in the release notes, it makes it more compact and neat. You've also missed the <ul> business about DT2.
04:37:07 <JacobMastel> I ment if I had to bet my life on wether or not John would keep his word I would bet someone elses instead. Sorry joke...
04:37:16 <JacobMastel> Shows a lack of faith..
04:37:39 <ChrisMorgan> :/
04:37:51 <ChrisMorgan> As far as dates are concerned, you're exactly right.
04:38:21 <ChrisMorgan> I think that switching the language of the Platform would be a great way for John to take the load off himself overall.
04:39:23 <ChrisMorgan> People would want to, and be able to, help. And I think that that would spread from our "key" product (while it in itself is fairly useless, it provides the usability, part of what makes us so popular), to the rest of the enterprise.
04:41:41 <JacobMastel> Personally when i think of a long lasting proven language I think of C++
04:41:48 <JacobMastel> I'm just not sold on the widgety stuff.
04:41:54 <JacobMastel> They often look ugly and are glitchy
04:42:08 <ChrisMorgan> Who's talking about widgety stuff?
04:42:50 <ChrisMorgan> PHP is a proven langauge (for the web, sure, but it works for desktop things too), and GTK is a proven GUI toolkit (GNOME! And Inkscape, GIMP.)
04:42:51 <JacobMastel> Didn't you mention the WidgetX something or other?
04:42:56 <Chazz> wigity stuff O_o
04:42:58 <ChrisMorgan> wxWidgets
04:43:05 <ChrisMorgan> GUI toolkit. Popular.
04:43:06 <JacobMastel> Yeah that! :P
04:43:21 <ChrisMorgan> BPBible and Task Coach are both wxPython apps
04:43:32 <JacobMastel> Oh k
04:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> (Python and wxWidgets bindings for Python, called wxPython)
04:44:02 <ChrisMorgan> It's slightly more "native-looking" than GTK on Win32
04:44:27 <ChrisMorgan> While GTK is fully native-looking on Linux and Mac OS X.
04:44:38 <JacobMastel> Yeah definately. GTK is kinda ugly.
04:44:48 <ChrisMorgan> Depends a lot on how you use it.
04:45:08 <JacobMastel> What is GNOME! btw?
04:45:36 <ChrisMorgan> GNOME is a window manager etc. for Linux, like KDE. GTK is part of GNOME.
04:45:59 <JacobMastel> Okay.
04:46:03 <ChrisMorgan> Message boxes and file choosers are about the only thing that look completely different from the native ones on Windows.
04:46:12 <ChrisMorgan> GNOME is older than KDE
04:46:21 <ChrisMorgan> It's the one with the weird foot logo
04:46:28 <JacobMastel> Anyways it's getting late a bit here. I've been building animal enclosurs all day I'm gonna go to bed.
04:46:34 <Chazz> night JacobMastel
04:46:43 <ChrisMorgan> Good night JacobMastel, sleep well :-)
04:46:48 <JacobMastel> See ya later. I'll try to come in a little more often again :P
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04:46:53 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
04:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> .seen JohnTHaller
04:58:16 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen johnthaller around.
05:12:51 <ChrisMorgan> When I started on http://portableapps.com/node/20644 I definitely didn't expect it to become a 1500-word essay.
05:18:15 <Chazz> it is quite good though ChrisMorgan
05:18:26 <ChrisMorgan> :D
05:18:46 <ChrisMorgan> You get practice at writing essays that long at school :P
05:18:51 <ChrisMorgan> Though not on that sort of topic :P
05:18:58 <Chazz> true, very true :P
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08:46:17 <pa_2571> Can someone advise me how to uninstall from C:? (I meant it for my G: where the thumbdrive was)
08:46:52 <pa_2571> new to IRC btw
08:48:11 <MaienM|Sleep> pa_2571: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#uninstalling
08:49:33 <pa_2571> Thanks, I'll look again. But the info I read was to uninstall from a normal install to the jumpdrive & didn't see anything about PC.
08:50:39 <MaienM|Sleep> well the files that you need to remove are the same.... you just need to be careful that none of the folders existed before
08:51:05 <MaienM|Sleep> eg if you had a "C:/Documents" before installing you probably don't want to remove it
08:52:14 <pa_2571> It lead me to same info, nothing about getting it off my PC. It's a pretty big drive I they appear to have gone places I wouldnt. be able to differentite.
08:52:27 <pa_2571> Would this work:
08:52:52 <pa_2571> Copy list of files off my jumpdrive...
08:53:12 <pa_2571> then search for same on C: drive & delete?
08:53:42 <pa_2571> (& I WOULD have to have installed ALL, rats
08:53:46 <pa_2571> )
08:55:15 <pa_2571> I guess there's no available uninstall app for these situations -? I was hoping.
08:56:48 <MaienM|Sleep> getting it off a hdd is no different then getting it off a usb
08:57:05 <MaienM|Sleep> except for possibly the location
08:57:48 <MaienM|Sleep> you could just search your C: drive for "StartPortableApps.exe"
08:58:48 <pa_2571> Well, hopefully, it's as easy as it sounds. Thanks much for your help and especially for being their at this hour on a holiday weekend.
08:59:00 <pa_2571> there
09:01:36 <MaienM|Sleep> you're welcome :)
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09:23:53 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2571: the spots you want, provided you installed the whole suite to C:\, will be C:\Documents (should have empty except possilbly for Desktop.ini files folders called Music, Videos and Pictures), and C:\PortableApps. Also in the root of the drive, StartPortableApps.exe and Autorun.inf.
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11:25:06 <pnotes> help!
11:25:34 <pnotes> where does portable pnotes keep the note files?
11:25:50 <pnotes> i dont get to choose where to save them
11:32:52 <pnotes> hello...?
11:33:01 <pnotes> should i try again later?
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11:57:10 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
11:57:10 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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12:48:36 <pnotes> hello?
12:48:46 <pnotes> anyone here yet?
12:49:24 <pnotes> CTCP version?
12:49:35 <pnotes> why is it asking me that?
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13:12:04 <pa_0350> help?
13:13:14 * pa_0350 needs help
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13:25:59 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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16:05:07 <Chazz> hey JacobMastel :D
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18:00:57 <Chazz> wb gluxon
18:01:26 <gluxon> What!
18:01:36 <Chazz> welcome back! :P
18:05:33 <gluxon> ...
18:07:00 <gluxon> Could anybody provide me with the source for palogbot?
18:07:43 <Chazz> palogbot, uri
18:07:43 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-09-05#T18-07-43
18:08:47 <Chazz> gluxon, from the log format, looks like it's a pIRC loggie
18:09:22 <gluxon> ?
18:10:13 <Chazz> gluxon, i /think/ it's a pIRC bot, so www.jibble.org/logbot/
18:10:14 <gluxon> Looks like PircLogBot source modified for loggy.py
18:10:33 <gluxon> No... it's using loggy.py though.
18:10:47 <gluxon> A little modified.
18:11:14 <Chazz> rly?
18:11:17 <Chazz> how can you tell?
18:13:09 <gluxon> ...... rmccue told me... i think...
18:13:18 <Chazz> mhmm
18:13:20 <gluxon> Forgot where I found ot.
18:13:31 <Chazz> well, might be :/
18:13:36 <gluxon> yes..
18:13:39 <gluxon> I'll prove it.
18:13:42 <gluxon> palogbot: help
18:13:42 <palogbot> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=
18:13:46 <gluxon> Ha!
18:13:47 <gluxon> :D
18:13:49 <Chazz> O_O
18:13:53 <Chazz> lol
18:13:58 <Chazz> that seems obvoius!
18:14:11 <gluxon> Told ya! :D
18:14:18 <Chazz> Lol
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18:59:19 <GizmoBot> daBomb69 is the genius that forgot to include Perl in Perl Portable xP
18:59:24 <daBomb69> lol
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19:04:08 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 :D
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19:12:41 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
19:12:50 <Chazz> howdy TimClark :)
19:13:29 <TimClark> Hello Gizmokid2005 , sorry, I can't "accidently" delete that topic you asked about, but others have asked :P
19:13:38 <Gizmokid2005> lol
19:13:40 <Gizmokid2005> alright TimClark thanks
19:13:46 <TimClark> and hello Chazz
19:17:07 <TimClark> I decided to give listless once of my nice, polite, well thought out [and spelling and grammer correcte :P ] replies, I hope he does not find reason to be hostile about it
19:17:20 <Gizmokid2005> lol
19:17:20 <Gizmokid2005> ok
19:17:54 <Chazz> correcte Tim? ;P
19:18:12 <TimClark> corrected
19:18:26 <TimClark> as in i fixed my my errors
19:19:48 <TimClark> Also, i noted that everyone else assumes that he did not have java, or only had an old one
19:20:10 <TimClark> noone considered that his java could be blocked or disabled in FF
19:21:27 <TimClark> In order for that to be the case it would mean that Java has Never been updated on that machine, I think XP came with 1.4.x
19:24:23 <TimClark> Bensawsome: are you awake ?
19:25:35 <TimClark> http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1252161326863.jpg
19:27:52 <Chazz> hey TimClark have you noticed how almost all of the users that upload screenshots of their custom themes have warez in the screenshot?
19:29:11 <TimClark> i notice everything
19:29:43 <TimClark> I just sometimes choose to not comment on it , hint hint
19:29:55 <Chazz> ah
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20:15:23 <HeatherBabyx> hi
20:15:33 <HeatherBabyx> help!
20:15:35 <HeatherBabyx> ?part
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20:16:15 <ZachThibeau> :/ TimClark ban that host please he was spamming -ot a few moments ago
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21:53:52 <TimClark> sorry ZachThibeau , webcrap sucks at letting me know when folks have chatted
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21:54:01 <ZachThibeau> np
21:54:05 <TimClark> it seems he just came and left
21:54:19 <ZachThibeau> yeah in -ot that user said obscene stuff
21:54:37 <ZachThibeau> oddly enough started following me in all channels I was in :/
21:54:38 <TimClark> maybe he toought that -ot was really -ot :P
21:55:05 <TimClark> well, you know he's one of us don't you
21:55:19 <ZachThibeau> o_O
21:55:32 <TimClark> folks don't just randomly go to -ot
21:55:37 <ZachThibeau> really? you pulling my leg?
21:55:43 <TimClark> you kinda gott know it's there
21:56:09 <MaienM> nah, if you /whois someone you see all channels they are in
21:56:35 <TimClark> right MaienM , but some one must have been /whoising ZachThibeau
21:56:48 <MaienM> well he did join more channels zach was in
21:56:54 <TimClark> which means it's probabley someone he knows
21:57:14 <MaienM> or someone who joined another channel ZachThibeau was on
21:57:23 <MaienM> I've had random people do that to me before :/
21:57:35 <ZachThibeau> I don't recognize the user at all so I has a stalker
21:57:54 <MaienM> irc users can be extremely random at times
21:58:02 <ZachThibeau> yeah
21:58:07 <TimClark> anyway, he's gone
21:58:13 <ZachThibeau> nope
21:58:18 <ZachThibeau> he's in -dev now
21:58:22 <JacobMastel> Congrats ZachThibeau you're popular
21:58:26 <ZachThibeau> being quiet for the time being
21:58:38 <TimClark> i meant from here , and it would be good to drop the topic
21:59:08 <ZachThibeau> he's spoolf and I cant do anything there but at least he's done or so he says and yeah you're right
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22:39:43 <gluxon> Bensawsome!!!
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22:43:43 <TimClark> Can anyone else help you gluxon ?
22:44:12 <gluxon> donno... maybe.
22:44:15 <gluxon> I know he can for sure.
22:44:45 <gluxon> Okay... I need help adding a web service to the phenny bot.
22:44:58 <MaienM> its easy
22:45:11 <gluxon> :D
22:45:13 <MaienM> what part do you need help with?
22:45:14 <gluxon> tell me :D
22:45:17 <gluxon> Adding it :D
22:45:18 <TimClark> gluxon: perhaps a pm with MaienM
22:45:22 <gluxon> okay :D
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22:49:26 <rbrt13> hello
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22:50:56 <TimClark> hello rbrt13
22:58:01 <gluxon> .o fun
22:58:01 <GizmoBot> http://gluxon3.co.cc/fun.php
22:58:03 <gluxon> :D
23:01:34 <rbrt13> no thank you
23:01:38 <rbrt13> i remember that
23:03:14 <rbrt13> r-bot is in my channel
23:03:23 <rbrt13> david's server is down last i checked
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23:05:11 <gluxon> Yeah I know :(
23:06:49 <TimClark> gluxon: explain that page please
23:07:31 <gluxon> ... what's wrong with ti?
23:07:33 <gluxon> *it
23:07:49 <TimClark> expain it
23:07:56 <ptmb> TimClark, it is an interesting page that hurts gluxon more than anybody else, basically it should never stop loading more and more content
23:08:14 <TimClark> it should not be linked to from here please
23:08:14 <gluxon> it hurts me in the bandwidth :(
23:08:19 <gluxon> okay :D
23:08:25 <gluxon> blame gizmobot... he posted it :P
23:08:27 <Gizmokid2005> it's going to hurt you more now.
23:08:51 <Gizmokid2005> the NEXT person who attempts it is banned for 2 hours. NO EXCEPTIONS
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23:10:43 <GizmoBot> GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005.
23:10:51 <gluxon> what happened to him?
23:12:29 <TimClark> the stupid function as been removed thanks to you
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23:30:06 <TimClark> gluxon: i have determined that that page is not harmless fun, don't ever post links like that again
23:53:13 <Oni-Neoxes> hello all
23:56:45 <TimClark> OooooNooos :(
23:56:53 <TimClark> I mean Oni-Neoxes :D
23:57:10 <Oni-Neoxes> heh