IRC Log from 2009-09-07

00:02:22 <ptmb> back
00:02:24 <ptmb> and xD
00:02:58 <Chazz> wb
00:03:11 <ptmb> MaienM, steal doesn't need sudo, actually, it should be avoided in root xD
00:03:47 <MaienM> but I needed the sudo superpowers to get past the guys guarding the dark side ;)
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00:04:03 <ptmb> ah xD
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00:11:56 <KookyMan> Eve
00:13:21 <Gizmokid2005> hello KookyMan
00:13:28 <KookyMan> Hey Giz.
00:13:36 <KookyMan> I have an insanely stupid quesiton I think
00:13:39 <Gizmokid2005> lol ask
00:13:51 <KookyMan> I'll ask in paot
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00:23:00 <GizmoBot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
00:23:00 <GizmoBot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
00:24:00 * KookyMan kicks GizmoBot
00:24:00 <GizmoBot> ouch
00:24:09 <KookyMan> quit repeatin yourself then GB
00:24:10 <Bensawsome> o_0
00:24:20 <Chazz> LOL
00:24:26 <Bensawsome> lol Gizmokid2005 fix ur script :P
00:24:31 * Chazz gives GizmoBot a cookie
00:24:37 * Bensawsome noms GizmoBot
00:24:37 * GizmoBot tastes crunchy
00:24:38 <Bensawsome> :3
00:24:40 <Bensawsome> lol
00:24:45 * Bensawsome knows all of them :P
00:24:51 <KookyMan> See Chazz - GB knew he was bad
00:24:52 <Bensawsome> but seriously Gizmokid2005 might wanna fix that :/
00:25:03 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: can't
00:25:04 <Chazz> lol
00:25:06 <Gizmokid2005> MaienM and I tried
00:25:08 <Bensawsome> oh
00:25:09 <Bensawsome> wow
00:25:13 <Bensawsome> thats wierd o_0
00:25:13 <Gizmokid2005> it's a bug in phenny and windows
00:25:13 <KookyMan> What kind of script is it?
00:25:16 <Bensawsome> :/
00:25:16 <Gizmokid2005> python
00:25:27 <Bensawsome> ok nvrmnd then
00:25:29 <MaienM> all modules have it, not just the define one
00:25:31 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, put the phenny on a unix shell maybe?
00:25:32 <TimClark> well if MaienM can find the solution, no one can :P
00:25:34 * Bensawsome wont mention it in here >_>
00:25:42 <Bensawsome> lol true dat TimClark
00:25:54 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: no...that defeats the purpose of having it on my server here at home
00:25:58 <TimClark> you don't get it Bensawsome , or do you ?
00:26:06 <Bensawsome> ya i think i do >_>
00:26:08 <Bensawsome> anywho brb
00:26:26 <TimClark> you are not in ot by the way Bensawsome
00:26:32 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, goodm point
00:26:45 <Chazz> but, what IS the purpose of having it on ur home serrver?
00:26:47 <Bensawsome> ya i know
00:26:50 <Bensawsome> just rejoined
00:26:55 <Bensawsome> still joining all mai channels
00:26:58 <Bensawsome> all 36 :3
00:26:59 <Bensawsome> lol
00:27:07 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: I have access, I don't have to have an accountsomewhere 3else
00:27:09 <Gizmokid2005> *else
00:27:09 <Gizmokid2005> etc
00:27:22 <Gizmokid2005> I don't need to worry about other peoples' TS
00:27:24 <Gizmokid2005> *ToS
00:27:34 <Chazz> good point
00:27:49 <Bensawsome> if i join too many channels at once freenode reads it as spam so i get kicked from the server :/
00:28:29 <Chazz> srsly? O_o
00:28:37 <Bensawsome> yep :/
00:28:48 <Bensawsome> something with my bnc not having throttling capabilities
00:28:55 <Bensawsome> so :/
00:29:22 <MaienM> I've had to kill him a few times because of that when he was still using my bnc
00:29:35 * Bensawsome still says sry MaienM T_T
00:29:37 <Bensawsome> lol
00:29:41 <Bensawsome> ya i remember that :/
00:30:05 <Bensawsome> but now i gots mai own so you dont have to worry about that ^_^
00:30:17 <MaienM> lol, no need to apologize for ZNC's shortcomings :P
00:30:24 <Bensawsome> lol cool ^_^
00:30:43 <Bensawsome> ya i mean you would think they would implement some sort of throttling thing :/
00:30:57 <Bensawsome> and they know its a problem...
00:31:13 <MaienM> yeah well :P
00:31:15 <MaienM> anyway
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00:31:21 <Bensawsome> ya ;P
00:31:25 <Bensawsome> oh nite MaienM|Sleep D:
00:31:26 <Chazz> night MaienM|Sleep D:
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00:32:01 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
00:32:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hey guys :-)
00:32:25 <Chazz> hey ChrisMorgan
00:33:44 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: a couple of months ago I idly wondered about your icon again...
00:36:43 <ptmb> gonna go now, bye everybody
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00:38:48 <TimClark> were you in the first contest ChrisMorgan
00:39:08 <ChrisMorgan> I chucked a couple of wild guesses in, but not really
00:39:09 <TimClark> i remember patrick, jth, and i think kevin
00:39:17 <ChrisMorgan> I never had a clue :D
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00:45:30 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: I think .patheme is a zip archive
00:45:52 <ChrisMorgan> Just like OO.o files are renamed ZIPs
00:46:14 <ChrisMorgan> Though 7z would make a lot more sense... faster and smaller
00:46:18 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: that's what i said
00:46:29 <TimClark> they are just zips
00:46:41 * ChrisMorgan wonders whether we'll switch to using 7z or similar later, makes sooo much more sense :-)
00:47:00 <TimClark> but then the pap would have to have 7z built into it
00:47:20 <TimClark> no, does not make sense
00:47:21 <ChrisMorgan> Currently it must have support for zips built in.
00:47:36 <ChrisMorgan> On XP and Vista the OS can do it, but not 2000, which we still support.
00:47:36 <TimClark> yes, but zip support is so easy
00:47:41 <ChrisMorgan> So it must be in there somewhere.
00:47:58 <TimClark> i still think of zip as the easy standard
00:48:30 <ChrisMorgan> Probably easier at the moment at least. Well, we'll see what happens with the rewriting of the platform :-)
00:48:49 <TimClark> john will make a good choice i am sure
00:49:11 <Chazz> has he ever not?
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00:49:40 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: some would argue that Delphi wasn't. I really couldn't say though, it was what he was familiar with, so it gave a quick start.
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00:49:48 <ChrisMorgan> And it works fine :-)
00:49:51 <Chazz> ya :)
00:50:09 <ChrisMorgan> Well one of the things I suggest in http://portableapps.com/node/20644 loosely is a PortableApps.com Runtime... I reckon a good coule of things would be UPX and 7-Zip. There's a facet to the post-installation compression thing which hasn't been explorered yet. I think I'll comment on it.
00:51:53 <TimClark> you really want folks to read that don't you chris
00:52:04 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly :-)
00:52:24 <Chazz> .title
00:52:25 <GizmoBot> Chazz: The Tower of Babel in the Land of PortableApps.com | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
00:52:29 <ChrisMorgan> More than anything else, I think I want to catalyse discussion on it, so that it can be a [developer] community effort
00:52:49 <ChrisMorgan> I think to make the best decision, we've got to think carefully about the possibilities.
00:53:42 <ChrisMorgan> I especially think that my suggestion of PHP-GTK is just so un-obvious that it needs stating - to encourage careful thought of pros and cons if nothing else.
00:55:13 <TimClark> I think I'll just go with what john decides :P
00:56:39 * Chazz votes Perl!
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00:56:56 <ChrisMorgan> Quite seriously, I think we need to switch very soon, and John's just too busy to do that. Before we dive in too deeply with new features, new launchers, etc., I think we need to look more closely at what we are aiming for in the long run; portable applications on other platforms, and cross-platform portable applications, are among them. That necessitates change.
00:57:06 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: you're almost as bad as I am :P
00:57:10 <Chazz> lol
00:57:37 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i didnt write a small essay and rename it a blog post :P
00:57:51 <TimClark> /southpark voice-mrMacky Change is ... baaaad :P
00:58:00 <Chazz> TimClark, LOL
00:58:33 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i think we shld get 2.0 out in Delphi, then switch to [insert language here (Read: Perl)] to work on 3.0
00:58:53 <ChrisMorgan> Change /for the sake of change/ is bad, I'll give you that. But change for benefit (can be) good. I'm trying to help us (from altruistic motives and all that) to /make/ it good.
00:59:26 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: do you know what incorrigible means?
00:59:31 <ChrisMorgan> You're it :P
00:59:35 <Chazz> .dict incorrigible
00:59:37 <GizmoBot> incorrigible - 1. impossible to change, 2. unruly and unmanageable
00:59:48 <Chazz> sounds just like me :P
01:00:47 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: I've only ever heard "good grief" in real life from Canadians (a couple I met in India and you)... is it a common phrase there?
01:00:50 <TimClark> you used an interesting phase there, "from altruistic motives" , what would be NON-altruistic motives
01:01:14 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: good question I don't know
01:01:41 <ZachThibeau> I only picked it up from Charlie Brown strips called peanuts and the old Cartoon
01:01:44 * Chazz votes we shld all use small words
01:02:03 <Chazz> Peanuts! FTW!
01:02:17 <ChrisMorgan> :/!
01:02:34 <Gizmokid2005> Good grief is old school ChrisMorgan, my grandparents use it ALL the time
01:02:39 <Gizmokid2005> that's typically how it's passed down
01:02:39 <Chazz> O_O
01:02:47 <ChrisMorgan> And they're not Canadian?
01:03:59 <Gizmokid2005> Very far from it
01:04:02 <ChrisMorgan> Oh no! All is lost! :P
01:04:43 <ZachThibeau> Good Grief? :P
01:06:21 <TimClark> just looked up altruistic to find it's oppisite
01:06:49 <Chazz> Good grief!
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01:08:03 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... malevolent could possibly do.
01:08:17 <ChrisMorgan> Bit plain though.
01:09:10 <TimClark> altruistic (opposed to egoistic )
01:09:25 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, that'll do :-)
01:09:41 <ChrisMorgan> malevolent is more an opposite to benevolent
01:10:11 * Chazz is very benevolent
01:10:53 <TimClark> and egoistic :P
01:11:10 <Chazz> lol
01:11:26 * Chazz is antidisestablishmentaristic
01:11:44 <TimClark> do you even know what that means Chazz
01:11:49 <Chazz> yes! :D
01:11:55 <TimClark> and ...
01:12:11 <Chazz> and?
01:12:28 <TimClark> losely put, it means you belive in the church of england being a state church
01:12:41 <Chazz> no.
01:12:48 <TimClark> but, you knew that didn't you ...:P
01:12:48 <ZachThibeau> he's against people who are against establishments
01:12:49 <TimClark> yes
01:12:59 <Chazz> yes, what ZachThibeau said
01:13:00 <TimClark> it has a historical context
01:13:05 <ChrisMorgan> Which can include TimClark's example
01:13:19 <Chazz> TimClark, yes, but taken in litteral context, it's what Zach said. ^_^
01:13:20 <TimClark> not just breaking down the word to it's parts
01:13:31 * ChrisMorgan wonders what a nice Latin name for "lover of long words" is...
01:13:52 <Chazz> lol
01:13:57 <ChrisMorgan> Couple of years ago we looked at the job guide to find the longest entry they had... that was fun :P
01:14:36 <ZachThibeau> I need some ferric in body
01:14:44 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: sesquipedalian
01:14:48 <TimClark> ?
01:14:50 <ZachThibeau> I'm running a little low
01:14:56 <ChrisMorgan> .dict sesquipedalian
01:14:57 <GizmoBot> sesquipedalian - 1. using long words, 2. long
01:15:06 <ChrisMorgan> That'll do nicely :-)
01:15:09 <TimClark> sorry i broght it up :(
01:15:36 <ChrisMorgan> Hey... nice job Tim, getting us all off-topic like this ;-)
01:15:49 <ChrisMorgan> OK, end of word ruining now, I think.
01:15:58 <Chazz> lol
01:16:00 <TimClark> Anyway chris, there has been some question as to you motive in that blog
01:16:15 <ChrisMorgan> What has been suggested with it?
01:16:40 <TimClark> I was asked by a couple of folks if I could "accidentally" delete it. :/
01:16:53 <ChrisMorgan> Oh dear... that's not what I meant it for at all.
01:17:08 <ChrisMorgan> It was meant to be a (mostly) serious discussion of the future of PortableApps.com, really...
01:17:41 <TimClark> I believe the phrases used were "more of Chris's verbal masturbation" and "self-aggrandizement", ...something to that effect.
01:17:49 <ChrisMorgan> :O
01:18:06 <TimClark> I said it would not be right of me to delete it
01:18:17 <ChrisMorgan> That's /definitely/ not how I planned it.
01:18:41 <ChrisMorgan> Rest assured that if I'd been trying purely to promote Manta or similar I could have done it much more simply - it is relevant to PortableApps.com, just as Toucan is...
01:19:05 <TimClark> I don't read the blogs, I wish they would be removed from the tracker like the Off Topic forum, then the only folks that would have to see them are the folks who want to.
01:19:33 <ChrisMorgan> I think I agree generally, but the blogs don't get used much, so that's possibly why it's not the case.
01:19:48 <ChrisMorgan> One key point is that there's not only one way of doing it - I was suggesting the unlikely possibility.
01:20:10 <TimClark> understood
01:20:57 <Chazz> the blogs are on the tracker?
01:21:02 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
01:21:11 <Chazz> oh O_o
01:21:29 <TimClark> Of couse, I'm not a mod, I just go by what john decides :P
01:21:35 <Chazz> .dict aggrandizement
01:21:36 <GizmoBot> aggrandizement - 1. enlarge or extend something, 2. improve status of something
01:21:44 <ZachThibeau> does anyone know what the address for freenodes server?
01:21:53 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, huh?
01:21:58 <TimClark> irc.freenode.net
01:22:04 <ZachThibeau> thats ipv4
01:22:18 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, ask in #freenode
01:22:23 <TimClark> or irc.NOTsoFreenode.net :P
01:22:28 <Chazz> lol
01:22:28 <ZachThibeau> lol
01:22:31 <ZachThibeau> good one
01:23:06 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: are you saying irc.freenode.net was not what you were asking about
01:23:16 <TimClark> i guess i misunderstood
01:23:16 <ChrisMorgan> I think ipv6.freenode.net is the v6 address
01:23:27 <ChrisMorgan> KVIrc has it in its list :-)
01:23:34 <ZachThibeau> yeah I think so but my client says it's not working xD
01:23:34 <ChrisMorgan> Not that I use it... :P
01:23:34 <TimClark> ah, such things are beyond me
01:23:43 <ZachThibeau> I may use kvirc a try
01:24:08 <ChrisMorgan> XChat/PChat that is isn't it? Does it support IPv6?
01:24:20 <Chazz> better question
01:24:31 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, does your internet support IPv6?
01:25:03 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: yeah I compiled it with ipv6 support and my os has ipv6 natively too
01:25:27 <TimClark> help me out here guys , what is this ipv6 and 4 stuff ?
01:25:28 <ZachThibeau> maybe somewhere I goofed there :/
01:25:35 <ChrisMorgan> .wik IPv6
01:25:37 <GizmoBot> "Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation Internet Protocol version designated as the successor to version 4, IPv4, the first implementation used in the Internet and still in dominant use currently[update]|." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6
01:25:42 <Chazz> .wik IPv4
01:25:43 <GizmoBot> "Internet Protocol version 4 (IPv4) is the fourth revision in the development of the Internet Protocol (IP) and it is the first version of the protocol to be widely deployed." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4
01:26:06 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: IPv4 (e.g. 123.45.67.89) is running out soon, hence a larger space
01:26:07 <ZachThibeau> ipv6 give the old ip address 192.143.65.2 stuff and ipv6 is more or less a letter number address system
01:26:13 <ChrisMorgan> g2g now
01:26:17 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: hex
01:26:19 <TimClark> ahhhh, ok, .... i guess, so you can just use irc.freenode.net ?
01:26:32 <ZachThibeau> for ipv4
01:26:33 <Chazz> bye ChrisMorgan
01:26:34 <ZachThibeau> not ipv6
01:27:17 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, ipv6.chat.freenode.net
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01:28:06 <Whibo> .def TimClark
01:28:06 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
01:28:19 <TimClark> Whibo: please don't
01:28:30 <Whibo> why
01:28:34 <Whibo> :o
01:28:53 <TimClark> i don't like def flooding for one
01:29:04 <ZachThibeau> because it's annoying would be another
01:29:06 <TimClark> having it show once when i arrive is enough
01:30:09 <TimClark> and i usually turn it off if i leave and have to come back in a short period of time
01:35:07 <TimClark> chris just bumped his own blog post :(
01:35:17 <Chazz> o_o
01:41:39 <TimClark> where can i find a pic of an icq icon ?
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01:42:59 <Chazz> TimClark, icq.com
01:45:05 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/node/20670#comment-127255
01:45:55 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: http://portableapps.com/node/20670#comment-127261
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01:46:15 <Chazz> TimClark, LOL
01:48:22 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: since i have replied, should i correct your, is it spelling or grammer, Won , not One ?
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01:51:10 <Chazz> TimClark, this applies to that situation
01:51:18 <Chazz> .wik muphry's law
01:51:21 <GizmoBot> "Muphry's Law is an adage that states that 'if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written'." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law
01:51:28 <Chazz> :P
01:54:42 <Oni-Neoxes> win
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02:14:13 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
02:14:13 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
02:14:22 <Chazz> wb ChrisMorgan
02:15:59 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: I'm sorry you thought it was a bump :-( It was just adding more information, and I was loathe to add it to the page content, which is already too long. I was about to add some notes on the pros and cons of interpreted and compiled languages... do you think I should hold off on that (even though it's the most important area for it)?
02:18:27 <TimClark> sorry, i'm not quite here
02:18:43 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: it's your blog, you can put in it what you want
02:19:11 <ChrisMorgan> You seem to hear more closely what people's opinions are though... I would value your advice.
02:20:21 <TimClark> I think it is very long and folks eyes glaze over when they read it, it would have better as seperate smaller things
02:20:39 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... would John object if I used full HTML and separated it into headings?
02:20:51 <TimClark> and it comes across as, if john won't listen to my ideas, here's away to go around him
02:21:09 <ChrisMorgan> Wha..? Where would that idea come from?
02:21:24 <TimClark> don't ask me, i barely read it
02:21:37 <ChrisMorgan> I can't think of a single bit which would indicate that...
02:23:02 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: it is your blog, you can write what you want, i would just suggest in the future, small posts on smaller parts of subjects, not a whole, here's what we need to do with every aspect of the patform and apps
02:23:09 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, i think it's good in the way it is ^_^
02:23:29 <ChrisMorgan> Separating it into bits could help. It is a bit overwhelming.
02:23:40 <TimClark> yes Chazz , an intersting comment was made the last time you said that :P
02:23:43 <Chazz> sorta a little bit
02:23:58 <Chazz> TimClark, lol
02:25:24 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: have you used wxPerl or any other GUI toolkit for Perl?
02:25:31 <TimClark> anyway, i just came back to the comp to say i am eating dinner and watching big brother, my connection may time out while i'm gone
02:25:37 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, I personally have not
02:25:44 <ChrisMorgan> OK, bye if you do Tim
02:26:07 <ChrisMorgan> It's good seeing you on here more often, TimClark... would that freenode hadn't messed up like that :-(
02:26:12 <Chazz> bye TimClark :(
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02:39:08 <Oni-Neoxes> hmm
02:39:16 <Oni-Neoxes> http://portableapps.com/node/20672
02:39:23 <Oni-Neoxes> spam
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02:55:43 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626 and RSSOwl Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/19271
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03:06:00 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> .def TheWarden___
03:06:00 <GizmoBot> Lloyd_N_Cobb: Sorry, but I don't know about TheWarden___
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03:06:35 <Gizmokid2005> Lloyd_N_Cobb: how can we help you?
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03:07:17 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> yes
03:07:24 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> hmmm
03:07:25 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> no
03:07:29 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> :P
03:07:41 <ZachT|ZzZz> Lloyd_N_Cobb: night whibo
03:07:55 <Whibo> Night
03:07:55 <Chazz> lol
03:08:01 <Chazz> obai ZachT|ZzZz D:
03:08:29 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> rb beatles is awesome
03:08:35 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> someone wanna play?
03:08:41 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> wii
03:09:03 * Lloyd_N_Cobb iz in the wrong channel
03:09:09 <Lloyd_N_Cobb> srry
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03:26:11 <GizmoBot> timclark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
03:26:30 <timclark> dam he's gone
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03:27:18 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: pm?
03:27:42 <TimClark> sure
03:28:03 <Chazz> wb TimClark
03:35:53 <TimClark> sorry Chazz , busy
03:36:00 <Chazz> k
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03:37:36 <TimClark> GEBot: bot is not allow in nick names
03:37:39 <TimClark> ever
03:37:56 <TimClark> Whibo: bot is not allowed in nicks, ever
03:38:17 <Whibo> ok
03:38:28 <TimClark> all "bots" will be kicked and bannned
03:38:50 <TimClark> it's just easier that way, thanks for understanding
03:39:11 <Whibo> ok
03:39:23 <Whibo> it wasn't for that channel tho
03:39:26 <Whibo> :P
03:39:49 <TimClark> we have palogbot , and Gizmokid2005 , only
03:40:05 <TimClark> using bot in a nick just leads to confusions
03:40:41 <TimClark> oh, sorry, and StatBot :P
03:40:41 <Whibo> i'm a cyborg tho
03:40:52 <Whibo> halb bot, half human
03:40:53 <TimClark> but we ignore him :P
03:40:58 <Whibo> :P
03:41:26 <Chazz> TimClark, did you mean GizmoBot ?
03:41:36 <Bensawsome> TimClark you made StatBot cry to me in pm :P
03:41:41 <Bensawsome> he wants ur apoligy :P
03:41:42 <Bensawsome> lol
03:41:44 <TimClark> you know what i ment Chazz
03:41:49 <TimClark> joke Bensawsome , jk
03:41:58 <TimClark> sorry StatBot
03:42:03 <Bensawsome> StatBot forgives you ^_^
03:42:05 <Bensawsome> lol
03:42:08 <Chazz> oh, and occasionally we have pabot
03:42:19 <Bensawsome> XD
03:42:26 <TimClark> pabot looks like he is GONE Chazz
03:42:30 <Chazz> but he just fail these days
03:42:47 <Chazz> TimClark, is he finally dead perminately?
03:42:55 <TimClark> .def pabot
03:42:55 <GizmoBot> pabot has Sadly has been removed by Ryan McCue as he is too busy to maintain it, we thank him and it, for their service to the channel. Gizmobot is now the offical bot of the channel, and we thank Gizmokid2005, no further comments are really needed
03:43:05 <Chazz> O_O
03:43:13 <TimClark> no further comments are really needed
03:43:58 <TimClark> anyway, later
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05:01:14 <TimClark> chrismorgan if you are reading the log please login
05:36:48 <TimClark> sorry, have to go perhaps some other time
05:36:54 <Chazz> night TimClark
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05:43:38 <Chazz> hi PatrickPatience!
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05:47:19 <PatrickPatience> Yo.
05:47:43 <PatrickPatience> I have a Windows PC again. Everyone cheer with excited excitement of excitedness.
05:47:54 <Chazz> yay!
06:03:26 <PatrickPatience> Would anyone like to the Give Patrick Some Money So He Can Upgrade to a VPS fund?
06:03:40 <PatrickPatience> Otherwise I take all your files off my server immediately.
06:03:44 <PatrickPatience> And then step on them.
06:03:46 <PatrickPatience> Multiple times.
06:03:53 <PatrickPatience> After that I'll burn them.
06:04:04 <PatrickPatience> And then throw them in the ocean and cause pollution.
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07:00:15 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
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07:00:28 <GizmoBot> sar3th sets mode +ohai all
07:01:01 <sar3th> morning all
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07:13:50 <sar3th> D:
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08:38:29 <sar3th> hey chrismorgan
08:38:41 <ChrisMorgan> hoy sar3th
08:38:56 <sar3th> how are you?
08:39:02 <ChrisMorgan> Alive :-)
08:39:13 <sar3th> :D
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10:46:13 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
10:46:29 <ChrisMorgan> 'owdee ZachThibeau
10:47:04 <ZachThibeau> wow Patrick is having issues :/
10:47:14 <ZachThibeau> he could give the files to me :D
10:47:23 <ChrisMorgan> What fileses?
10:47:30 <ZachThibeau> 5000tb of space with unmetered bandwidth
10:47:35 <ZachThibeau> look at the logs
10:47:42 <ChrisMorgan> :/
10:47:43 <ZachThibeau> <PatrickPatience> Yo.
10:47:43 <ZachThibeau> <PatrickPatience> I have a Windows PC again. Everyone cheer with excited excitement of excitedness.
10:47:43 <ZachThibeau> <Chazz> yay!
10:47:43 <ZachThibeau> <PatrickPatience> Would anyone like to the Give Patrick Some Money So He Can Upgrade to a VPS fund?
10:47:43 <ZachThibeau> <PatrickPatience> Otherwise I take all your files off my server immediately.
10:47:44 <ZachThibeau> <PatrickPatience> And then step on them.
10:47:46 <ZachThibeau> <PatrickPatience> Multiple times.
10:47:50 <ZachThibeau> <PatrickPatience> After that I'll burn them.
10:48:12 <ChrisMorgan> :/
10:48:21 <sar3th|away> 5PB?
10:48:27 <ZachThibeau> FTW
10:48:27 <sar3th|away> *EB
10:48:37 <sar3th|away> ah screw that
10:48:40 <sar3th|away> 5000TB???
10:48:49 <ChrisMorgan> 5 petabytes is correct.
10:49:00 <ZachThibeau> a friend had the space and lent me some so I could try and max his server as much as possible
10:49:06 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I simplified the Tower of Babel by putting it under headings... the problem is, that makes it look professional...
10:49:23 <ZachThibeau> so far it's taken quite a beating
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10:49:34 <ZachThibeau> and let me check the blog again ChrisMorgan :)
10:49:52 <sar3th> 5PB is crazy
10:49:54 <ChrisMorgan> I also changed a few things in it a bit. Nothing too major.
10:49:57 <sar3th> i want that in my compy
10:49:59 <ZachThibeau> speaking of blogs I should post another one on portableapps.com again
10:50:12 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: think of the cost of /really/ having that much available.
10:50:26 <ZachThibeau> YEAH :D Ryan is back
10:50:35 <sar3th> chris, when i say i want it, i don't mean i want to pay it ;)
10:50:48 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: you misread it somewhat... he's saying, I'm back, bye... more or less :P
10:51:15 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: I know but it's nice to let people know he isn't *really* dead
10:51:21 <ChrisMorgan> :P
10:51:44 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I'm glad that he's given the good ol' bot of #portableapps a rest. pabot was sadly causing more trouble in its old age than it was worth... dimensia possibly? :P
10:52:00 <sar3th> lolz
10:53:07 <ZachThibeau> my only concern is palogbot and patrick :P
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10:53:15 <ZachThibeau> especially his server issues
10:53:43 <ZachThibeau> tis not really a *huge* issue but it's nice to have a set of logs
10:54:43 * ChrisMorgan wishes Roadsend would publish Roadsend PHP 2.9.3 for Windows...
10:55:00 <ChrisMorgan> >= 2.9.3 support PHP 5 syntax etc. and PHP-GTK 2.
10:55:08 <ZachThibeau> anyways all brb got some breakfast to attend to and I need to load a new playlist on my icecast stream
11:00:35 * ChrisMorgan wonders what Tcl/Tk is like
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11:08:07 <sar3th> gtg guys, bbl
11:08:15 <sar3th> bye chrismorgan, zachthibeau
11:08:21 <ChrisMorgan> bai
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11:41:04 <zx> app.ini fields - any URL wiht the list / explanations
11:41:19 <ChrisMorgan> zx: which file?
11:41:24 <ChrisMorgan> For launchers, or what?
11:41:55 <zx> .ini files that has the same name as the app, like KAV8Portable.ini
11:42:16 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. Read Other\Source\Readme.txt
11:42:25 <ChrisMorgan> Generally you won't need it though.
11:43:17 <zx> don't have source enlistment - just strayaed here by looking at one .ini :-)
11:43:43 <ChrisMorgan> What app is this that you've got?
11:43:54 <ChrisMorgan> All our official ones have a reame file in the directory Other\Source
11:43:55 <zx> stumbled on some mention in a forum that there's a field for passing options to actual all
11:44:13 <zx> KAV8 of course - works great btw
11:44:21 <ChrisMorgan> Never heard of it
11:44:26 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely not from us.
11:44:58 <zx> the only possible issue is that though of getting it to work all from USB drive - but without dumping reports there
11:45:21 <ChrisMorgan> What /is/ KAV8? I can't find any significant search results for it immediately
11:45:36 <zx> yeah yeah, I know - that's why I'm not lookg for a particular app but for a more general info on what's doable via that .ini
11:45:42 <ChrisMorgan> Only rapidshare links... and warez...
11:46:02 <ChrisMorgan> Well, if it supports them, then it should be documented. Other\Source\Readme.txt.
11:46:07 <ChrisMorgan> If it's in PortableApps.com Format, that is.
11:46:12 <ChrisMorgan> If it isn't, we can't help you.
11:46:33 <ChrisMorgan> If it's one of our official ones, it should work with AppNamePortable.ini, section [AppNamePortable], entry AdditionalParameters.
11:47:38 <zx> OK, thanks, woudl there be a field that would allow registry change or env var change before the actual app gets launched
11:47:51 <ChrisMorgan> That should all be handled by the launcher.
11:48:05 <ChrisMorgan> If it isn't, well, that's rather typical of stuff that's out there :-(
11:49:33 <zx> is the launched the small .exe, that's names the same as .ini ?
11:49:47 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
11:49:59 <ChrisMorgan> For PortableApps.com applications anyway. Other ones I cannot speak for.
11:51:02 <zx> ok, is that .exe generic, as in the smae for all apps or autogenned during the peparation of the app to become portable
11:51:17 <ChrisMorgan> No. Each one is different.
11:51:33 <ChrisMorgan> They are not the same, nor are they automatically generated.
11:52:17 <ChrisMorgan> But do remember that that KAV8 thing of yours (whatever it is, I still don't know) is not from us, has no guarrantee from us, may work fine, or more likely may be riddled with bugs :-)
11:52:36 <zx> meaning, each end every one of them gets custom written and compiled against some given SDK/includes/libs
11:52:49 <ChrisMorgan> We write ours in NSIS.
11:52:57 <ChrisMorgan> And they are open source. Unlike that, most likely.
11:53:05 <zx> it works likea charm - it's kust itching me to tweak it :-)))
11:57:50 <zx> does the launcher.ini "belong" to NSIS code (as in certain/all fields get processed the same) or does the launcher itself have to do the work
11:58:00 <ChrisMorgan> The latter.
11:59:46 <zx> so things like AllowMultipleInstances= are just the naming convention so to speak
11:59:54 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
12:00:06 <ChrisMorgan> If you look at the code in any of our launchers, you'll see that the parameters are read manually.
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12:01:18 <zx> is there a generic part - like if someone who's not really a dev or doesn't have time would use if he's shure that he just needs a wrapper
12:02:08 <ChrisMorgan> Not really... if you just want a wrapper, what for? You can add apps to the PortableApps.com Menu by just having them in the base folder there...
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12:09:35 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight :-)
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16:13:12 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 :D
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16:41:30 <Chazz> Hello pa_8327
16:41:51 <pa_8327> :)
16:42:12 <pa_8327> I need to ask 4 1 thing
16:42:33 <pa_8327> it's my 1st time try this app
16:42:46 <pa_8327> and I doenload the portableapps.com pro
16:43:02 <pa_8327> when I setup it on my Flash.mem
16:43:10 <pa_8327> or any of my friends
16:43:20 <pa_8327> It take a moooooore time to setup
16:43:28 <pa_8327> setup not download
16:43:46 <pa_8327> it take about 40 minutes
16:43:47 <ZachThibeau> sounds like you have a slow flashdrive then
16:43:47 <pa_8327> :(
16:43:50 <pa_8327> why?
16:44:05 <Chazz> pa_8327, some flash drives are just built slower than others
16:44:20 <pa_8327> no I try 6 flash.mem
16:44:37 <Chazz> then, might be a slow computer
16:44:50 <pa_8327> I try 2 computer
16:45:04 <pa_8327> the 1 thing I need to know
16:45:23 <pa_8327> if it in the real is slow or the problem in with me here?
16:46:25 <pa_8327> anybody there?
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16:49:44 <mmk> thanks to portablesapps.com
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17:12:10 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
17:12:18 <Chazz> hey TimClark :)
17:12:22 <TimClark> Hello All :D
17:12:42 <TimClark> Suggestion for case like this: http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2009-09-07#T16-42-12
17:12:45 <TimClark> First find out what the app is. If it is the whole suite and it is the "setup" that is the problem, recommend installing to c:\portableapps and then copying it over to the flash drive
17:13:49 <TimClark> It may help as installing the whole suite to the hard drive will be faster then to the flash for reasons which should be obvious
17:20:39 <TimClark> Of course there is that dam autorun.inf and startportableapps.exe to deal with :( , humm, maybe it's not such a good idea, especially of lang is a problem
17:21:19 <TimClark> oh, well, just a thought
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17:25:21 <Chazz> oh ya :/
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18:41:44 * Mac-on-Stick Help!
18:42:04 <Mac-on-Stick> is anyone there?
18:42:44 <Mac-on-Stick> have any of you tried the Mac-on-Stick you have posted?
18:45:08 <Chazz> ya
18:47:40 <Mac-on-Stick> did you do it with windows?
18:47:46 <Mac-on-Stick> I am trying it now
18:48:08 <Mac-on-Stick> and im stuck here "Unpack the System_7.0.1.smi.bin archiv"
18:48:18 <Mac-on-Stick> how do i unpack a bin?
18:50:15 <Chazz> umm...
18:50:27 <Chazz> sorry, but I don't know :(
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19:00:12 <Chazz> hey gluxon :)
19:00:18 <gluxon> Hello Chazz.
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19:10:14 <Chazz> wb TimClark
19:10:31 <TimClark> Hello Chazz
19:10:52 <Chazz> nice client, btw
19:11:23 <TimClark> not needed Chazz
19:18:12 <gluxon> what happened to mibbit?
19:20:06 <Chazz> gluxon, mibbit was banned from freenode a few months ago
19:22:16 <gluxon> oh yeah...
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19:54:00 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
19:54:00 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
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20:18:54 <TimClark> .
20:19:25 <ZachThibeau> I think it's done
20:19:44 <Guest13219> wee!
20:19:45 <ZachThibeau> I don't know though
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20:19:57 <Guest13219> I doubt it
20:20:09 <ZachThibeau> I hope so
20:20:25 <ZachThibeau> Guest13219: mind changing your nick Chazz
20:20:53 <Guest13219> ^_^
20:20:56 <Guest13219> erm
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20:22:58 <Chazz> freenode says the netsplits shld be over
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20:37:41 <GizmoBot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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20:41:49 * bat__ needs help!
20:42:24 <bat__> does the portable apps platform support bat files instead of executables?
20:42:57 <TimClark> not at this time bat__
20:43:12 <bat__> is it even being considered?
20:43:17 <bat__> same with links?
20:43:43 <TimClark> not sure, i know that some folks try turning a bat INTO an .exe to get around it
20:44:06 <TimClark> there are programs that do that, but i avoid them myself
20:48:16 <bat__> i just found one, but i do not think there is one for links
20:48:37 <TimClark> me either
20:49:14 <TimClark> As the Platform progresses in may come in later
20:49:26 <bat__> ok
20:50:01 <bat__> if you give in to using a bat to exe converter your linux project would be done already
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20:50:38 <ZachThibeau> huh?
20:50:47 <TimClark> nm
20:51:01 <ZachThibeau> yeah..
20:51:05 <Chazz> he's prbly talking about the Portable Ubuntu thing
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21:05:26 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is working on a super cool media player with MaienM :D
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22:44:28 <storm_> hi
22:44:34 <storm_> anyone out there?
22:44:40 <Chazz> hi StatBot
22:44:41 <Chazz> erm
22:44:45 <Chazz> storm_,
22:44:54 <storm_> very funny, haha
22:45:06 <storm_> I need help with keypass
22:45:33 <storm_> I tried to install the firefox import plugin, but the plugin doesn´t show up at all
22:46:02 <storm_> bit late for help, eh?
22:46:45 <storm_> what ever
22:47:02 <TimClark> Anyone awake that uses the keypass pluin for firefox ?
22:47:47 <TimClark> sorry storm_ most folks are away right now, and I don't use keypass plugin or otherwise
22:48:12 <storm_> no problem, thought so
22:48:27 <TimClark> it's a holiday here in the States
22:48:55 <storm_> I´m in germany and it 00:47 in the morning ^^
22:49:15 <TimClark> Guten Abend
22:49:24 <storm_> :) nice
22:49:26 <TimClark> ummm, Mogan
22:49:34 <TimClark> Morgan
22:49:44 <storm_> it´s spelt morgen ^^
22:49:56 <storm_> but close
22:50:01 <TimClark> my german is very rusty , as you can see
22:50:40 <storm_> no problem, it´s a very complicated language, took me 30 year to learn it and still do a lot of misstakes ;)
22:54:31 <storm_> damn, I´m so f******* stupid ...
22:55:54 <TimClark> yeeees ???
22:56:26 <TimClark> I take it you have had a revelation of some sort ?
22:56:32 <storm_> the problem was, that the ClockWork.KeePass.Firefox.Converter.exe didn´t find the gecko.dll
22:56:56 <storm_> well, I didn´t copy them in the keypass folder ...
22:57:17 <TimClark> oh, right , sure ,.... of course :P I have no idea what that meant
22:57:31 <TimClark> but i'm glad you found it :D
22:57:55 <storm_> my problem, I tried to import my firefox passwords into keypass (passwordmanager)
22:58:32 <storm_> and it was like crying for butter when there is no bred in the hole town
22:59:07 <storm_> it´s time for bed I thing, greets to USA, bye
23:00:12 <TimClark> bye
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23:00:56 <TimClark> i am too funny sometimes :D http://portableapps.com/node/18408#comment-127316
23:01:52 <TimClark> opps , sorry, that was for -ot
23:01:52 <Chazz> TimClark, nice :P
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