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01:39:03 <Chazz> OliverK, hi! :D
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01:40:08 <OliverK> grr. . .
01:40:17 <OliverK> hello everyone!
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01:49:18 <qwertymodo1> ...oh the joys of having 2 irc clients simultaneously running and both trying to ghost the other and automatically log themself in...
01:52:27 <sar3th> sounds liek fun
01:52:53 <Chazz> hey OliverK, jw, how's nano coming?
01:53:13 <OliverK> i haven't worked on it :p
01:53:22 <Chazz> lol, nice
01:53:34 <OliverK> i think i'm gonna include unix utils in my package as well, becuase yours is different from mine.
01:53:39 <Chazz> ah, nice
01:53:39 <sar3th> nano? the unix editor? :D :D :D
01:53:42 <OliverK> heh, I've been busy
01:53:43 <sar3th> or linux
01:53:45 <sar3th> *nix
01:53:46 <OliverK> sar3th: , yeah
01:53:51 <Chazz> although, exactly what /is/ you package? :P
01:54:03 <OliverK> its a cygwin port, though I might try to compile it with mingw
01:54:11 <OliverK> CommandLine Tools portable
01:54:26 <OliverK> just a collection of things. Its starting to become annoying, the mouse is
01:54:41 <Chazz> ah
01:54:41 <Chazz> cool
01:54:41 <sar3th> lolz
01:57:13 <OliverK> its different from yous I think becuase you are attempting to emulate the bash shell core on windows in a portable manner
01:57:32 <Chazz> ya
01:57:49 <OliverK> i'm just using a collection of tools becuase sometimes its fastet to go via the command line
01:57:55 <Chazz> ah, nice
01:57:55 <sar3th> i see mingw has changed some stuff, i will need more than one day to get into that
01:58:08 <sar3th> and msys, too >_>
01:58:45 <OliverK> bummer
01:58:51 <Chazz> OliverK, do you know, if cmd was to invoke an NSIS launcher for a cli app, would it run in the same cmd window?
01:59:19 <sar3th> Chazz: i don't think so
01:59:23 <OliverK> you know, I don't know
01:59:27 <OliverK> but I don't think so
01:59:29 <Chazz> ok
01:59:36 <Chazz> thanks
01:59:55 <OliverK> what you would do, is handle all of the options that your app uses
02:00:06 <Chazz> ah, ok
02:00:20 <OliverK> and leave it to the developer of the next app to handle its commandline-ness
02:00:41 <OliverK> thnakfully, i think most all of the tools will react to a HOME redirect
02:00:54 <OliverK> and Lynx will just need a file to be moved about
02:02:35 * Chazz is mad at lynx
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02:04:48 <sar3th> ya
02:05:01 <Chazz> lovely :/
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02:08:15 <qwertymodo1> hey zachthibeau
02:08:39 <SergentSiler> qwertymodo1, hes idle
02:08:55 <qwertymodo1> ah i couldn't tell
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02:09:51 <qwertymodo1> anyone know, in pidgin is there any way to tell if someone is idle or whatnot other than if they change their nick?
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02:12:51 <sar3th> goodnight all
02:13:39 <Chazz> morning sar3th
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03:27:22 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher.
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04:38:29 <qwertymodo> zachthibeau, you active?
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04:39:23 <Chazz> rmccue was here? O_o
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04:40:48 <PatrickPatience> Pidgin users: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-embeddedvideo/
04:41:09 <PatrickPatience> No binaries yet, but it looks fantastic.
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05:17:51 <qwertymodo> PatrickPatience just checked out that pidgin plugin and you're right, it does look fantastic :D
05:20:28 <qwertymodo> ...now if they'd just get pidgin-vv working with msn and yahoo...
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06:42:13 <Chazz> ello rmccue, Horusofoz|Away
06:42:30 <rmccue> Hola senorita,
06:43:04 <Horusofoz|Away> Hey Chazz
06:43:19 <Chazz> howsitvgoin?
06:43:26 <Chazz> crap, sorry
06:43:35 <Chazz> *hows it going
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06:45:17 <Horusofoz> Things are good for the most part. On the tech part just loking at blueMarine development
06:45:35 <Chazz> ah, cool
06:46:59 <Horusofoz> Its a great app but development is pretty much a one man show. Also their forums have been spammed to shreds. But emailed and development is still active
06:47:14 <Chazz> oh
06:47:17 <Horusofoz> How's things at your end?
06:47:23 <Chazz> good :)
06:47:46 * Chazz doesnt have any fun tech stuff going on :P
06:49:49 <Horusofoz> Could you drop that line on the DataCrow thread? Would be helpful for both devs.
06:50:00 <Chazz> oh ya, i'll do that
06:50:06 * Chazz forgot last time :(
06:50:49 <Horusofoz> :D
06:50:51 <Horusofoz> Cheers
06:53:47 <Horusofoz> Chazz: Just realised I hadn't posted confirming Chris had fixed the image bug I had encountered :-X Done now
06:54:12 <Chazz> Horusofoz, do you happen to have a link to the data crow post?
06:55:08 <Horusofoz> http://portableapps.com/node/20087
06:55:21 <Chazz> ok, thanks! :)
06:58:42 <Horusofoz> Catch y'all
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07:16:32 <Horusofoz> Back again. Has anyone here tried booting Ubuntu from a portable hard drive before?
07:16:46 <Chazz> wb
07:16:51 <Chazz> nope :(
07:21:51 <Horusofoz> Its weird cause I know if I disable my internal hard drive in the BIOS it will boot to the Grub loader and into Ubuntu from there, but with it not disabled it goes straight to Windows XP despite "USB-HDD" bein set as a high priority in the boot sequence. rmccue, ZachThibeau, either of you two care to hazard a guess at what's up?
07:22:11 <Chazz> :/
07:22:30 <rmccue> Not being recognised as a USB drive?
07:23:14 <Horusofoz> Its not being picked up on boot?
07:23:49 <Horusofoz> Once in windows I know it won't be recognised as its formatted to ext3/4
07:24:25 <Horusofoz> I know the bios knows there's a device because when I disable my internal hard drive it boots the external one
07:30:37 <rmccue> Hmm.
07:30:44 <rmccue> What's your boot sequence set to?
07:31:04 <Horusofoz> cd, usb-hdd, hard disk
07:31:19 <rmccue> Move the USB-HDD above CD and try again.
07:34:03 <Horusofoz> Will do. Just going to look a bit before hand as I only have the one pc and ecery time I try to do something I have to close my lines of communication, test, then if fail reload windows>Pidgin and try to get people to talk again. Thanks. Can you tell me if this looks likely to relevant. I'm looking at it but totally understanding it all - http://book.opensourceproject.org.cn/distrib/ubuntu/hacks/opensource/0596527209/i-0596527209-c
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08:54:49 <Horusofoz> Back again and still no Ubuntu :(
08:55:03 <Chazz> D:
08:55:36 <Horusofoz> rmccue: Tinkered with the boot priority with no luck.
08:56:09 <Horusofoz> I've updated my weeks old post at the ubuntu forums and heopfully someone there will respond.
08:56:26 <Chazz> Horusofoz, have you tried #ubuntu
08:57:30 <Horusofoz> Yeah. Was directed to a faq for creating a live USB Ubuntu
08:57:47 <Horusofoz> I'm trying to get a regular install but
08:58:29 <Chazz> oh
08:59:37 <Horusofoz> I think from all the different sources I read that there's a couple little settings I need to change such as telling grub what is the correct drive to boot from and set a 10-15 second delay on the boot so the machine has time to load the kernel over the USB connection. Unfortunately Finding out how to do this aint easy. Also there's probably other twaeks required but well... I don't know :(
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13:49:10 <pa_1665> hi
13:50:46 <sar3th> hi pa_1665, do you need help?
13:50:58 <pa_1665> why not delete app in my option menu ?
13:51:22 <pa_1665> why not have "delete app..." in my option menu ?
13:51:44 <sar3th> that's in beta if i remember correctly
13:51:53 <sar3th> to remove an app, follow this guide: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#removingapps
13:52:44 <pa_1665> Is a direct or Remove Programs folder?
13:53:09 <pa_1665> Direct Remove Programs folder?
13:54:43 <pa_1665> Well, I give it a try
13:56:30 <pa_1665> it's ok.THANKS!
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18:01:22 <Mike> Hi
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18:02:12 <sar3th> hi [Mike], how can we help you?
18:03:01 <[Mike]> Waite I did forget
18:04:19 <[Mike]> I was thinking can portable from a USB Flash Drive make a computer slow or damage the computer
18:04:31 <[Mike]> portable sofware
18:04:39 <ZachThibeau> no it won't damage it
18:04:59 <[Mike]> How?
18:06:44 <[Mike]> Is it because It is installed on a USB Flash Drive so it can not slow it down or damage it?
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18:08:33 <GizmoBot> gluxon is awesome
18:09:41 <Chazz> [Mike], exactly.
18:10:39 <[Mike]> Thanks for telling to me.
18:10:47 <Chazz> yw :)
18:11:37 <[Mike]> Any new news about beta 4 of PortableAppa Platfrom 2.0?
18:12:29 <Chazz> not that I've heard :(
18:14:10 <[Mike]> Thanks for your help.
18:14:12 <[Mike]> Bye
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18:44:56 <Chazz> hey powerjuce :D
18:46:52 <powerjuce> wassup Chazz
18:47:01 <Chazz> np, u?
18:47:02 <Chazz> *nm
18:47:09 <powerjuce> nm
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20:10:36 <Dia_user> is anyone having problems with the portble app Dia
20:11:01 <Dia_user> it freezes on me when opening the program and when closing the program
20:11:27 <sar3th> Dia_user: which operating system are you using?
20:11:28 * Dia_user hi
20:11:44 <Dia_user> windows xp pro
20:11:47 <Dia_user> with sp3
20:12:00 <sar3th> okay, wait a second, i'll test it for you :)
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20:12:59 <gluxon> :D
20:13:02 <rcmaehl> ...
20:13:04 <rcmaehl> ok
20:13:14 <gluxon> rcmaehl: hold on.. a user's getting help.
20:13:24 <Chazz> gluxon, rcmaehl support happening, -ot time
20:13:42 <rcmaehl> cant
20:13:46 <rcmaehl> banned
20:13:48 <gluxon> ...
20:13:58 <sar3th> then please be quiet a second
20:13:59 <Bensawsome> Dia_user: well it could be your usb drive
20:14:07 <gluxon> Dia_user: It shouldn't be freezing at all.
20:14:11 <Bensawsome> sdome usb drives are slower then others
20:14:19 <gluxon> And Bensawsome is probably right, it's your usb.
20:14:27 <Bensawsome> or the port
20:14:30 <Dia_user> it frezes for a minute then load ok
20:14:31 <Chazz> Dia_user, it could also be a slow computer.
20:14:33 <Bensawsome> the port could be using usb 1.1
20:14:40 <Dia_user> when i try to close, same thing happens again
20:14:45 <gluxon> When write and read speed is slow, it'll freeze most of the time.
20:14:54 <sar3th> Dia_user: it works fine for me, also on xp sp3
20:14:55 <Dia_user> all other portable apps work fine
20:15:02 <gluxon> Dia_user: Are you overloading it? Like clicking the X button like 20 times?
20:15:12 <Dia_user> no
20:15:28 <Dia_user> gluxon: no
20:15:46 <gluxon> Okay.. then try copying it over to the C: drive.
20:15:49 <gluxon> Then run it.
20:15:53 <Dia_user> i tried all the usb ports and the same issue
20:15:59 <gluxon> Then we'll know if it's the comp or usb that's wrong.
20:16:03 <Dia_user> all other portable apps works fine, no lag
20:16:09 <gluxon> What drive?
20:16:19 <gluxon> And brand?
20:17:08 <Dia_user> the usb drive is a kingston data traveler 8gb
20:17:13 <Bensawsome> have you tried another computer Dia_user?
20:17:52 <Dia_user> i've formated the drive and tried just putting the platform and Dia onto it, but same issue
20:18:31 <Dia_user> i have not yet tried anotherpc
20:18:47 <Dia_user> i'll try another pc on monday
20:20:14 <Dia_user> gluxon: i've installed directly on teh c drive and works fine
20:20:32 <Dia_user> i've tested with other brands of usb key
20:22:03 <Dia_user> i'll try another pc, and report back, thanx
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20:23:22 <gluxon> ...
20:23:27 <gluxon> He should have pinged earlier :D
20:23:45 <rcmaehl> ...
20:23:52 <gluxon> Okay.. it's obviously his drive.
20:24:06 <gluxon> Doesn't Dia have a RunLocally function?
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21:18:32 <PatrickPatience> palogbot: uri
21:18:32 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-09-13#T21-18-32
21:18:42 <PatrickPatience> I love you, Microsoft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssOq02DTTMU
21:18:53 <sar3th> windows 7 commectial?
21:18:54 <sar3th> .title
21:18:56 <GizmoBot> sar3th: YouTube - Good News - Windows 7 Commercial
21:19:00 <sar3th> :D
21:19:31 <rcmaehl> OMG LOL
21:19:44 <PatrickPatience> Omg that cannot be beat.
21:20:04 <rcmaehl> I can beat that
21:20:16 <PatrickPatience> I mean, Comic Sans and Europe with The Final Countdown... a damn recipe for awesome.
21:21:39 <Chazz> wow... PatrickPatience, that IS win.
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21:21:52 <rcmaehl> Epic Win
21:22:02 <rcmaehl> Fail blog worthy win
21:25:03 <rcmaehl> http://flipnote.hatena.com/5BE159D031C6548D@DSi/movie/C6548D_09141B1B3EEC8_001
21:25:10 <rcmaehl> Awesome
21:25:50 <Chazz> .title
21:25:52 <GizmoBot> Chazz: うごメモはてな - 「I'm Blue (Fast)」Robert M.さんの作品
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21:26:59 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626 and RSSOwl Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/19271
21:27:06 <Chazz> wb Gizmokid2005
21:28:28 <rcmaehl> funny?
21:28:31 <rcmaehl> Chazz,
21:28:49 <Gizmokid2005> heljlo Chazz
21:28:52 <Gizmokid2005> *hello
21:29:03 <Chazz> rcmaehl, O_o
21:29:11 <rcmaehl> you watch it
21:29:12 <rcmaehl> ?
21:29:31 <Chazz> ya...
21:29:37 <Chazz> seizure alart! :P
21:29:49 <rcmaehl> lol
21:30:21 <rcmaehl> http://flipnote.hatena.com/5BE159D031C6548D@DSi/movie/C6548D_091D1CB94F1C2_001
21:30:23 <rcmaehl> Mario
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21:31:14 <PatrickPatience> LOOK AT THOSE MAD ANIMATION SKILLS AND GRAPHIC DESIGN.
21:31:39 <rcmaehl> ?
21:31:45 <Chazz> xD
21:31:52 <rcmaehl> I didn't have time to make mario
21:31:57 <rcmaehl> so I made a stick amn
21:33:55 <rcmaehl> iab
21:34:01 <rcmaehl> tdy
21:34:11 <rcmaehl> hbu
21:34:12 <rcmaehl> ?
21:34:38 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: quit spamming...if you don't make sense you aren't going to get replies.
21:35:13 <rcmaehl> oops
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21:36:22 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
21:36:37 <Chazz> Hi TimClark :)
21:38:12 <TimClark> hello Chazz
21:38:21 <Chazz> How are you today?
21:38:30 <TimClark> busy
21:38:33 <rcmaehl> lol
21:38:42 <rcmaehl> Stupid pop-up
21:38:45 <Chazz> ah
21:38:50 <rcmaehl> teling me to delete explorer.exe
21:39:11 <rcmaehl> I iz no stupid
21:39:14 <TimClark> rcmaehl: that fact that you are still banned in -ot does not mean do -ot stuff here
21:39:20 <rcmaehl> k
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22:01:16 <GizmoBot> OliverK thinks he needs a new .def
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22:07:43 <GizmoBot> OliverK thinks he needs a new .def
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22:15:45 <qwertymodo> zachthibeau you active?
22:15:54 <ZachThibeau> yeah I hope so
22:16:16 <qwertymodo> heh i just asked that way cus last night you were online but not answering
22:16:18 <ZachThibeau> my current machine I had to pull from the dust balls of my basement asd my new pc isn't very stable
22:16:28 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: sorry that was my znc :/
22:16:39 <qwertymodo> it's fine :P
22:16:48 <ZachThibeau> it seems to not like changing my nick anymore when it's not in use xD
22:16:55 <qwertymodo> just had a question about the whole direct3d thing
22:17:04 <ZachThibeau> ok
22:17:23 <qwertymodo> because monster2 seems to use direct3d as one of its display options
22:17:33 <qwertymodo> and it is distro'd with the dll
22:17:42 <qwertymodo> so i'm not sure what to do...
22:18:04 <ZachThibeau> the license for the directx runtime says not to include any of their dll files
22:18:05 <qwertymodo> i finally have some time to work on it, and i want to make sure everything's proper and whatnot
22:18:33 <qwertymodo> yeah, I know. the problem is that the package I got from the official website has it
22:18:43 <ZachThibeau> the only way you could is if you get it to download the directx installer and get it installed there
22:19:05 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: that really isn't your fault but it's best to contact them about it and present the issue
22:19:35 <ZachThibeau> btw qwertymodo how's the launcher for vba-m coming along?
22:19:49 <qwertymodo> had to put it on the shelf as the summer came to a close
22:20:02 <qwertymodo> shouldn't take much to update it from vba to vba-m
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22:20:21 <ZachThibeau> just only the --configpath param
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22:20:27 <qwertymodo> the main problem was going to be the sdl version using a totally different config file
22:20:54 <qwertymodo> but now that the whole d3d thing is sorted and we can use the directx version it won't take much work at all :)
22:21:44 <ZachThibeau> qwertymodo: I gave you a build that had direct3d disabled prermanently :P
22:21:52 <qwertymodo> yes
22:21:55 <qwertymodo> that's what i mean
22:22:12 <ZachThibeau> lol call it the mfc build since that's what it is :P
22:23:06 <qwertymodo> before you figured that out we were going to use the sdl version which would have been more work, now that you succeeded with the mfc build the launcher's almost identical to vba, just a few ini values renames
22:23:43 <qwertymodo> so the param would be like --configpath "$SETTINGSDIR" right?
22:23:46 <ZachThibeau> yup and a new parameter to ensure portability properly
22:23:51 <ZachThibeau> and yes
22:24:43 <qwertymodo> awesome... so all i need to do now is compare a vba ini to a vba-m ini to make sure all of the values are right and should be good to go :)
22:25:11 * qwertymodo needs to find that vba-m mfc build...
22:25:47 * qwertymodo found it :)
22:26:23 <ZachThibeau> there has been more revisions since that build but not much changed in functionality so this should suffice until a major change has occured :)
22:26:41 <sar3th> hey may i interfere and ask a ot question related to ffp?
22:27:15 * qwertymodo just discovered WinPenguins... Patrick sure does release some weird apps... but so addicting...
22:27:32 <ZachThibeau> I won't answer then since thats not my area of expertise sorry
22:27:58 <sar3th> someone wants to burn it to a cd for a company and asks whether he has to do anything special
22:28:28 <qwertymodo> http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#cd
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22:28:59 <sar3th> the question is, are there any legal issues ;)
22:29:12 <qwertymodo> i've seen that answered elsewhere
22:29:18 <qwertymodo> you have to delete the Data dir
22:29:22 <qwertymodo> and then you're fine
22:29:51 <ZachThibeau> actually I think sar3th is talking about redistrinuting (correct me if I'm wrong)
22:29:55 <qwertymodo> that question gets asked a lot in conjunction with people wanting to distribute pre-installed flash drives
22:30:09 <qwertymodo> and that's the answer that i've seen in that case
22:30:11 <sar3th> ZachThibeau: exactly
22:30:23 <ZachThibeau> then qwertymodo's answer is not it
22:30:37 <qwertymodo> yes it is
22:30:40 <MaienM|Sleep> as long as you don't modify it it should be fine afaik
22:30:49 <ZachThibeau> they would have to follow some stipulations to comply with portableapps.com license and mozilla's license
22:31:00 <ZachThibeau> which yes lead down to modifications :P
22:31:11 <ZachThibeau> which MaienM|Sleep explained
22:31:22 <ZachThibeau> shh MaienM|Sleep get back to sleep :P
22:31:27 <qwertymodo> ah yes, sorry. default install (no add-ons) and THEN delete the data dir
22:31:27 <MaienM|Sleep> lol
22:31:39 <MaienM|Sleep> I just never changed my nick back to normal ZachThibeau :P
22:31:48 <MaienM|Sleep> and it almost time for bed again anyway xD
22:32:06 <sar3th> lol MaienM|Sleep
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22:33:45 <OliverK> anybody used the optional files for the installer?
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23:43:23 <OliverK> maybe should not have done that :(
23:43:40 <Gizmokid2005> no, you are ok OliverK
23:43:45 <Gizmokid2005> I just hadn't seen it.
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