IRC Log from 2009-09-14
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00:58:39 <PatrickPatience> Oliver Krystal is not following me on Twitter, eh? I think that's 'bout all of you.
00:59:28 <PatrickPatience> ZachThibeau: May I request your accompaniment in a private message, good sir?
01:01:01 <OliverK> Release: Geany Portable .18 DT1 http://tinyurl.com/celppl
01:02:50 <OliverK> PatrickPatience: I did that so I coulod hope @pat you
01:02:56 <OliverK> but I'm not sure it would work that way . . .
01:03:19 <PatrickPatience> THAT was hardly English.
01:03:22 <PatrickPatience> But I think I got it.
01:03:57 <OliverK> :p
01:05:48 <OliverK> I followed you so that I could do a @PatrickPatience you on Twitter so that I could remind you about hunting down the variable it uses to figure out which language to be in
01:06:44 <PatrickPatience> I've just sent an account with 'Yahoo!', too. They provide a service called 'email' that allows me to send messages over the internet to people I know.
01:07:04 <PatrickPatience> (Or don't know, even). I've gotten plenty from a delightful Nigerian man.
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01:08:27 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPatience: I do believe he has gone to bed.
01:08:43 <OliverK> ?
01:08:56 <Gizmokid2005> that was in response to this: [21:00:28] <@PatrickPatience> ZachThibeau: May I request your accompaniment in a private message, good sir?
01:09:39 <OliverK> ah
01:09:47 <OliverK> i'm still curious about what partick said
01:09:51 <OliverK> patrick*
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01:12:23 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: reassess your "fixing" of the link...
01:12:26 <ChrisMorgan> missing http://
01:12:57 <Chazz> hi ChrisMorgan
01:13:11 <ChrisMorgan> hi Chazz
01:14:44 <ChrisMorgan> Symantec Endoint Protection was installed on these machines over the weekend, and the home directories moved server... the logon script wasn't updated on at least this machine (I think I'd be the only student in the school who could work out how to map the new location etc.), and executables are now blocked from USB disks... so much for me running BPBible Portable as I was planning to :-(
01:15:18 <sar3th> :(
01:15:24 * OliverK renames it to .cms and executes it anyway
01:15:47 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK: can't do *anything* with them.
01:15:58 <OliverK> bummer man
01:16:04 <ChrisMorgan> So you go to it in Explorer... and it can't even *read* the file.
01:16:08 <OliverK> ?
01:16:36 <powerjuce> ChrisMorgan: the tried to do that at my school
01:16:47 <powerjuce> btw does that make your entire drive read only?
01:17:04 <ChrisMorgan> Just a tray icon message saying "Application and Device Control rule File and Folder Access Attempts_File_Read has blocked Explorer.EXE trying to access {app}.EXE Unable to copy. Please contact administrator for assistance"
01:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> No, so far it's just executables I've found it with.
01:17:21 <powerjuce> ChrisMorgan: just exec from command line
01:17:48 <ChrisMorgan> powerjuce: you don't understand... it's hooking into the system hooks and blocking all reading or writing or copying or deleting or anything of executables.
01:17:53 <ChrisMorgan> So that doesn't help.
01:18:01 <ChrisMorgan> Apart from the fact that cmd.exe is blocked.
01:18:24 <ChrisMorgan> command.com isn't (can't be short of hooks again), and batch files still work though (of course)
01:18:29 <OliverK> bat.bat
01:18:33 <OliverK> cmd.exe
01:18:40 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK: if I need to I do it that way.
01:18:47 <powerjuce> yea, but if u run it from commandline, using the start command, that usually bypasses the hal, that is how i got my apps running
01:18:55 <ChrisMorgan> But it still doesn't help getting it.
01:19:16 <powerjuce> and just change the hex of cmd, it will run then
01:20:11 <ChrisMorgan> powerjuce: no. "...Attempts_File_Read has blocked cmd.exe..."
01:20:19 <ChrisMorgan> And "Access denied" in the command prompt window
01:20:26 <powerjuce> lol ChrisMorgan
01:20:26 <ChrisMorgan> Symantec do things properly.
01:20:33 <powerjuce> at home check the hex of cmd
01:20:41 <ChrisMorgan> huh?
01:20:52 <ChrisMorgan> Surely you wouldn't expect them to skimp on it? The only way of doing it properly is with the hooks, and with the hooks they've done it.
01:20:52 <powerjuce> look for D.i.s.a.b.l.e.C.M.D
01:21:06 <powerjuce> change the a to a 5
01:21:15 <ChrisMorgan> powerjuce: I tried editing the ntuser stuff a few years ago. It didn't help.
01:21:19 <powerjuce> and also cant u run the apps from the main drive?
01:21:33 <ChrisMorgan> From the main drive I can.
01:21:38 <ChrisMorgan> It's just USB disks it's blocked for.
01:21:41 <powerjuce> so copy the files to the main drive
01:22:08 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh* you don't understand... ANY reading is blocked. So you can't run, copy, rename, view, ANYTHING them
01:22:08 <powerjuce> or better yet, boot into a live distro rename all the relevant symantic files to disable teh service
01:22:38 <ChrisMorgan> powerjuce: surely you don't think our IT administrator would leave booting from other than HDD open, or the BIOS unprotected?
01:22:54 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, CD
01:22:55 <powerjuce> try using a usb device, that is usually left unblocked
01:22:59 <ChrisMorgan> It's OK though, it just means that I've got to go talk to Mr. Blackburne about it... we're friends, if it's a reasonable request he'll do it :-)
01:23:05 <Chazz> and, hack the BIOS pass
01:23:08 <ChrisMorgan> powerjuce: it isn't. Chazz: it won't work.
01:23:21 <ChrisMorgan> I know what it is. I know a couple of the school admin passwords. But I'm a nice guy :-)
01:23:25 <powerjuce> really? thats a good job, they forgot to do that a my school
01:23:26 <Chazz> O_O
01:23:47 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not allowed to use them for other than administrative stuff when asked to do it, or when it's needed... it isn't.
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01:24:14 <ChrisMorgan> Well, period three is about to end...
01:24:41 <ChrisMorgan> Now I've actually got work to do this period... no more slacking off :P
01:24:50 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
01:25:27 <ChrisMorgan> BTW, I /think/ I could get around it by renaming *.exe to something else on another machine and copying to the HDD before renaming and running. But I'm not going to try.
01:26:04 <ChrisMorgan> I came up with an AHK solution some time back which that wouldn't get around except for old DOS executables... it actually scanned the file contents to see if it had the VersionInformation stuff, not just an extension check.
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01:31:27 <powerjuce> theres a simpler solution just do a check for .pe or .exe files
01:31:30 <powerjuce> and hes gone...
01:32:41 * OliverK wodners why sys admins at schools don't just use deepfreeze and be done
01:34:13 <AppGuy> at my school they do
01:37:06 <powerjuce> they do at my school
01:37:23 <powerjuce> but the problem with that is that i can still bypass it by booting into another os
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01:39:34 <qwertymodo> PatrickPatience: The WinPenguins link is still wrong
01:39:55 <qwertymodo> you have portableapps.com/node at the beginning of the URL
01:40:01 <qwertymodo> remove that and it's fine
01:40:15 <AppGuy> hey qwertymodo nice request prompt
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01:43:09 <qwertymodo> AppGuy thanks... it was just one of those random ideas, coupled with enough free time to actually try to make it :P
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01:43:39 <AppGuy> are you still working on project64 portable?
01:43:56 <qwertymodo> kind of...
01:44:43 <qwertymodo> it's still launcher-only, and about the only thing I can really do to improve it is add registry keys for more plugins, and then only if they're requested... since the registry keys are different for each plugin
01:45:18 <qwertymodo> I was playing around with making it compatible with 1.7, but who knows when that will be released
01:45:56 <AppGuy> i remember you talking about adding an option to add more reg keys through ini
01:46:08 <qwertymodo> oh yeah, that
01:46:18 <qwertymodo> that's kind of a whole project unto itself
01:47:12 <OliverK> qwertymodo: I have some sample code you might find useful
01:47:34 <OliverK> would you like me to post it for you?
01:47:37 <qwertymodo> OliverK that'd be nice
01:47:55 <qwertymodo> I kind of have a working start already but it couldn't hurt :)
01:48:22 <qwertymodo> I'm basing it off of a similar project I had done for file cleanup
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01:51:04 <qwertymodo> the real hurdle is testing
01:51:19 <OliverK> i thought of doing it with the config giles
01:51:22 <OliverK> files*
01:51:31 <OliverK> never got around to actually code the registry part
01:51:35 <qwertymodo> with the file cleanup one, I could just create a folder with dummy files in it to make sure the script was working right
01:51:51 <OliverK> http://oliverkrystal.pastebin.com/m595fc8cd
01:51:54 <OliverK> yeah
01:52:03 <qwertymodo> but here I'd have to create dummy registry entries... which is just ever so slightly more annoying
01:54:39 <qwertymodo> here's what I'm basing this off of (my file cleanup header) http://portableapps.com/node/18806
01:55:26 <OliverK> something like this
01:55:27 <OliverK> http://oliverkrystal.pastebin.com/m685d3465
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01:56:16 <qwertymodo> basically with that, the program actually generates the INI file every time it's run, so it's still hard-coded into the program, but it would be easy to re-run the cleanup function on a user-defined INI also
01:56:32 <OliverK> okay
01:57:02 <OliverK> well, if you can use my code, great. If not, oh-well. Wasn't that much to throw together
01:59:40 <qwertymodo> yeah, I'll look into it, but really what I think I'll do is copy code from the launchers that mess with the registry, and then every time there's a section like RestoreTheKey:, RestoreTheKey9x, SetOriginalKeyBack, replace that with a function that iterates through the INI file rather than hardcoding the keys into the launcher
02:00:30 <qwertymodo> so it'd be really easy to replace the code in the existing launcher, because it would be the same code, it would just get the key list from the INI rather from the launcher code
02:00:38 <OliverK> yeah, pretty much what mine does.
02:00:53 <OliverK> mine just allows for pretty much infinite registry keys :D
02:02:01 <qwertymodo> yeah. the tricky part is reading the list since NSIS doesn't have loops :P
02:03:35 <OliverK> yeah, not natively
02:03:45 <OliverK> ${LogicLib} (I think) handles them
02:03:55 <qwertymodo> I see you're just using a counter variable in the section name. I thought about that, and then decided I wanted to be able to kind of group keys and values together with a useful name
02:04:15 <OliverK> #Ini Comments?
02:04:27 <qwertymodo> I suppose, yeah...
02:06:09 <qwertymodo> what I ended up with was more like
02:06:09 <qwertymodo> [Plugins]
02:06:09 <qwertymodo> Plugin1=Plugin1Name
02:06:09 <qwertymodo> Plugin2=Plugin2Name
02:06:09 <qwertymodo> [Plugin1Name]
02:06:10 <qwertymodo> Key1=
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02:06:12 <qwertymodo> Key2=
02:06:14 <qwertymodo> Value1=
02:06:16 <qwertymodo> [Plugin2Name]
02:06:18 <qwertymodo> Key1=
02:06:20 <qwertymodo> woops
02:06:22 <qwertymodo> that was hugs
02:06:24 <qwertymodo> sorry :S
02:06:26 <qwertymodo> huge*
02:12:41 <OliverK> that's okay
02:12:51 <OliverK> take it to #portableapps-dev where we encourage it
02:12:54 <OliverK> :D
02:14:01 <OliverK> btw you could have a section for the plugin name, I guess
02:14:16 <OliverK> like [Plugin$COUNTER]
02:14:24 <OliverK> Name = Plugin Name
02:14:26 <OliverK> Key =
02:14:43 <OliverK> the name key really does nothing :p, but it would help keep it straight
02:15:07 <qwertymodo> yeah, thats why i put the name in the section title, because it's not really useful as a value
02:15:53 <OliverK> then maybe a plugin name section
02:15:58 <OliverK> and then name$COUNTER
02:16:00 <OliverK> or such
02:19:37 <qwertymodo> that's exactly what I have :) I know it's hard to read the way it broke up all of my newlines into a new post, but that's what the example I had above does
02:22:04 <qwertymodo> where Plugins is the plugin name section, and Plugin1=Plugin1Name means Plugin$COUNTER=$SECTIONNAME
02:23:10 <qwertymodo> hmm... just for reference, can you think offhand of an app that handles the registry, preferrably a small app, just to look at the launcher code
02:26:50 <qwertymodo> nevermind, putty is it :)
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03:38:07 <xangua> ooh interesting
03:39:18 <Chazz> hi xangua
03:39:49 <xangua> hola
03:40:10 <Gizmokid2005> hello xangua, anything in particular we can help you with, or are you just dropping in?
03:40:52 <xangua> i just find this, i've no trouble using portableapps
03:41:12 <Gizmokid2005> just making sure, feel free to hang around and enjoy your stay :)
03:41:21 <xangua> but i barely use them since everytime i plug my memory stick it goes infected
03:42:02 <Gizmokid2005> what do you mean xangua?
03:42:44 <xangua> when i plug my usb in windows 90% of the time goes infected
03:43:38 <Gizmokid2005> what is saying it is in infected?
03:43:43 <Gizmokid2005> and what files does it say are infected?
03:45:50 <xangua> is just that my school pc's has no antivirus
03:46:16 <xangua> or at least are disabled most of the time :-(
03:46:17 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, so it's probably picking them up there
03:46:18 <Gizmokid2005> :(
03:46:33 <xangua> disabled antivirus and 'cracked' windows
03:47:12 <xangua> and the weirdest thing is that ALL of them has a firefox background but NONE have it installed
03:47:30 <Gizmokid2005> lol wow...
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03:53:54 <xangua> where*
03:54:08 <Gizmokid2005> xangua: it is
03:54:14 <Gizmokid2005> in the support
03:54:25 <Gizmokid2005> xangua: http://portableapps.com/support
03:54:47 <xangua> ok, i'll check that anoter day, my conection lags :-(
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06:58:32 <Brian_S> Bensawsome
06:58:41 <Brian_S> nvm
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09:40:19 <bobsmith789> help please
09:41:01 <bobsmith789> think I have lost all of my mail can any 1 help please
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09:43:38 <bobsmith789> hello
09:54:24 <bobsmith789> I have a big problem with thunderbird portable can any one adviceme please
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10:13:42 <ChrisMorgan> bobsmith789: what's the problem with it?
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10:16:11 <ChrisMorgan> Sometimes corruption of the profile can occur; generally if that has happened you can back it all up, create a new profile, create the account again, and then copy the mail back in.
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10:22:01 <ChrisMorgan> If you look through the Thunderbird Portable support forum, you'll find it mentioned a few times, with instructions. http://portableapps.com/node/11191 for example
10:24:54 <ChrisMorgan> bobsmith789: got that?
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13:58:08 <pa_9084> hey - with portable apps can we make our own custom apps? or only use the ones provided?
14:03:05 <pa_9084> whats a CTCP version ?
14:03:48 <Bensawsome> pa_9084:
14:04:01 <Bensawsome> if you know how to code you can make whatever apps you want portable
14:04:15 <Bensawsome> and the ctcp thing is just a server thing. you can ignore that.
14:04:27 <Bensawsome> but ya if you wanna develop lemme get you a link...
14:04:50 <Bensawsome> pa_9084: use this as a starting point :) http://portableapps.com/node/14868
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16:08:56 <Bensawsome> lol qwertymodo you really need to fix ur connection :P
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16:11:33 <qwertymodo> Bensawsome: my desktop and laptop like to fight with each other :P
16:13:20 <Bensawsome> o_0
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16:13:29 <Bensawsome> like
16:13:32 <Bensawsome> transformers?
16:13:37 <Bensawsome> MORE THEN MEETS THE EYES ;)
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16:28:15 <qwertymodo> no, more like ghostbusters
16:28:36 <qwertymodo> they keep ghosting each other and logging themselves in
16:28:37 <qwertymodo> :P
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16:53:53 <Bensawsome> lol
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17:55:44 <farmer.freenode.net> Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please keep things polite and avoid any discussions of illegal software | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | Please do not PM anyone without prior permission. | SF CCA Wins: http://portableapps.com/node/20079
17:55:44 <farmer.freenode.net> Users on #portableapps: palogbot xangua Darwin4Ever Suiseiseki Twinkletoes|W excid3 d4rk` tarbo +GizmoBot BjornH @Gizmokid2005 Zarggg Bensawsome +MaienM sar3th|away SrgSiler|ZNC daBomb|Not-Here Whibo +ZachThibeau Mir dbdii407 TheWarden___
17:55:44 <MaienM> Auto-Message: palogbot has been restarted.
17:55:47 <GizmoBot> palogbot is the logging bot for #portableapps . Logs are found at http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs . If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart
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18:00:43 <farmer.freenode.net> Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please keep things polite and avoid any discussions of illegal software | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | Please do not PM anyone without prior permission. | SF CCA Wins: http://portableapps.com/node/20079
18:00:43 <farmer.freenode.net> Users on #portableapps: palogbot xangua Darwin4Ever Suiseiseki Twinkletoes|W excid3 d4rk` tarbo +GizmoBot BjornH @Gizmokid2005 Zarggg Bensawsome +MaienM sar3th|away SrgSiler|ZNC daBomb|Not-Here Whibo +ZachThibeau Mir dbdii407 TheWarden___
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18:28:47 <GizmoBot> Roamer is addicted to cracked.com
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19:00:50 <Bensawsome> wait...
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19:50:47 <GizmoBot> gluxon is awesome
19:50:47 <GizmoBot> gluxon is awesome
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22:03:00 <GizmoBot> gluxon is awesome
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