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00:29:30 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
00:29:46 <Chazz> 'ello ChrisMorgan
00:32:06 <ChrisMorgan> 'ello
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00:50:11 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626 and RSSOwl Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/19271
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01:00:57 <PatrickPatience> You know what's more annoying than those reverse ordered logs?
01:01:50 <Chazz> what?
01:03:05 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPatience: the fact that you won't fix it?? :P
01:03:41 <PatrickPatience> I TRIED TO FIX IT, MAN.
01:04:08 <PatrickPatience> In fact, the way it's written, it's intended to be reverse-chronologically ordered by default.
01:05:41 <Gizmokid2005> there's ALWAYS a way to fix it PatrickPatience :P
01:05:54 <PatrickPatience> GO DO IT YOURSELF THEN, KIDDO.
01:06:08 <PatrickPatience> I spent like an hour trying different methods and functions.
01:06:16 <Gizmokid2005> ot
01:06:21 <Gizmokid2005> *it's YOUR bot PatrickPatience :P
01:06:24 <Gizmokid2005> I have to give you crap when I can
01:06:32 <Gizmokid2005> since you aren't ever around anymore
01:06:35 <PatrickPatience> Fair enough.
01:06:41 <PatrickPatience> So I guess we no longer have a pabot?
01:07:05 <ChrisMorgan> pabot is dead and gone.
01:07:07 <ChrisMorgan> Officially.
01:07:09 <Gizmokid2005> PatrickPatience: nope. rmccue had it running as a service, and it wasn't very happy with his mysql integration plus it had accumulated over 75GB worth of logs
01:07:17 <Gizmokid2005> so he took it down and GizmoBot has taken over
01:07:22 <PatrickPatience> Ahahahahahah!
01:07:33 <PatrickPatience> I'll miss pabot. Nice guy.,
01:07:37 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
01:07:45 <Gizmokid2005> may (s)he rest in peace
01:08:28 <PatrickPatience> I just bought Caddyshack for 6 bucks. Incredible or what?
01:08:39 <PatrickPatience> I also bought Gremlins, and I am so not proud of myself.
01:09:15 <Gizmokid2005> very nice PatrickPatience, I am, personally, a huge fan of Gremlins :D
01:11:43 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience, Gizmokid2005: would you guys insert <pre>tags</pre> around the enormous block of code at http://portableapps.com/node/21057?
01:12:01 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon so, got a note in as well, ready to submit (just checking what you reckon)
01:12:20 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: yes, I would, just because it just...bam starts, and it's a lot of code.
01:12:21 <ChrisMorgan> ... then maybe I'll be able to work out what he's saying... :/
01:12:47 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, done
01:13:58 <PatrickPatience> Whoa... dude, you weren't always a moderator, were you?
01:14:08 <ChrisMorgan> No. Just the last two days.
01:14:39 <PatrickPatience> Ouu.
01:14:45 <PatrickPatience> Instigated by my departure?
01:15:10 <ChrisMorgan> And Ryan's
01:15:30 <PatrickPatience> Fancay.
01:15:32 <Chazz> Congradulations ChrisMorgan! :o
01:15:41 <PatrickPatience> I'm gonna try to stick around... but I can't guarentee.
01:16:26 <ChrisMorgan> WHY must people misspell and mispronounce congraTulations!?
01:16:38 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: did you read my thought about Mac PortableApps.com?
01:16:43 <PatrickPatience> Yes.
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04:56:21 <JohnTHaller> miss anything?
04:56:30 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Ooh, hey JohnTHaller
04:56:31 <ChrisMorgan|Away> no
04:56:38 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Nothing has happened since you came in
04:56:53 <ChrisMorgan|Away> So, to quote some classic literature, "How is things?"
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04:57:46 <ChrisMorgan> You really shouldn't have released Tile World, JohnTHaller :P
05:01:06 <JohnTHaller> why not? addicted?
05:01:17 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly ;-)
05:01:25 <ChrisMorgan> It is a good game though.
05:01:42 <ChrisMorgan> Lack of animation in MS mode is a bit of a nuisance at times, makes it a lot harder to track what's happening
05:02:22 <JohnTHaller> yeah, it is annoying
05:02:22 <ChrisMorgan> Any news about the launcher or other things?
05:02:27 <JohnTHaller> you try warzone yet?
05:02:35 <ChrisMorgan> No, and I'm not planning on doing so
05:02:42 <ChrisMorgan> Don't like violent games
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05:02:47 <JohnTHaller> yeah. i'm working all weekend on it.
05:03:09 <JohnTHaller> it's a solid game. no killing of actual people. just machines and cyborgs.
05:03:29 <ChrisMorgan> Still violent... and also I've already wasted enough time :P
05:04:42 <JohnTHaller> i hear ya
05:05:03 <JohnTHaller> i was trying to get a good workaround for our qt issue into the launcher, but will just release it as is for now so we can get apps moving
05:05:21 <ChrisMorgan> OK, good-o
05:05:26 <ChrisMorgan> How about Java support, solid there?
05:05:56 <JohnTHaller> yeah, it'll pick up the env var from the platform and auto-search for it. you can use it in paths.
05:06:00 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon that the only thing needing real improvement from my launcher test would be making it download the installer if possible.
05:06:07 <ChrisMorgan> s/possible/wanted/
05:06:11 <ChrisMorgan> by the user
05:06:15 <ChrisMorgan> good
05:06:38 <JohnTHaller> that would increase the size a bit. we will let it open the page, though, i think.
05:06:49 <JohnTHaller> hmm... could pass it off to the updater later on...
05:07:13 <Bensawsome> k
05:07:29 <Bensawsome> darnit sry i put my head down on my keyboard XD
05:07:37 <ChrisMorgan> How big is the inetdl plugin?
05:08:16 <ChrisMorgan> Or whichever we're in the habit of using
05:08:20 <Chazz> Bensawsome, keyboard!=pillow. :P
05:08:59 <Bensawsome> lol i know that now :P
05:09:52 * ChrisMorgan got to remove a probably-spammy link from a message... :-)
05:10:16 <Chazz> lol
05:10:21 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, nice! :o
05:10:24 <JohnTHaller> inetdl may increase likelihood of false positives in launchers... not sure yet since we only have two things that do it out there.
05:10:40 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, s'pose so
05:10:48 <JohnTHaller> we shall see
05:10:49 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, opening the page is enough
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05:36:57 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... not so good. Tile World level sets are stored in App\TileWorld and they won't be preserved.
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13:45:52 <Bobby_> help
13:46:36 <Bobby_> how can I set portable apps open with my usb drive
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16:41:07 <Simeon> hi All
16:42:11 <Chazz> Howdy Simeon
16:46:48 <Simeon> Hi Chazz
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17:45:17 <Mir> dbdii407: i dont have autojoin
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17:50:46 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
17:50:46 <GizmoBot> TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( "
17:51:22 <Chazz> 'ello TimClark
17:52:04 <Simeon> hi Tim
17:54:52 <TimClark> Hello All
17:55:42 <TimClark> Simeon: i see assult cube is getting some bumps
17:57:07 <Simeon> bumps?
17:58:21 <TimClark> it's still high on the tracker
17:58:38 <TimClark> attention, notice, comments
17:59:27 <Simeon> yes. thats because JOhn removed the "run windowd?"-question and not its a little dirty to get the program to run windowed. You have to manually create a file etc. ill fix it for the next version.
18:00:10 <TimClark> so normally it's full screen, is that what you are saying?
18:00:16 <Simeon> yes
18:00:45 <TimClark> I must download it next week
18:00:47 <Simeon> but I understand john as the original is fullscreen by default too.
18:01:30 <TimClark> after the whole thing with warzone I like to wait a few days before downloading new stuff :/
18:02:11 <Simeon> yes. I suspected that its a wrong video installer becuase it created a file inside the /App folder which is very unlikely :)
18:02:32 <TimClark> testing fail :/
18:02:56 <Simeon> I wish the release team would have worked :(
18:03:23 <TimClark> you just got a new bump/reply
18:04:21 <Simeon> replied
18:04:41 <Simeon> How do you see this? I think this doesnt warrant a revision as the main program is fully functional.
18:05:39 <TimClark> I don't think a revison is needed, just include it as a feature in the next release
18:07:51 <TimClark> as far as the "system" is concerned does it matter, is one way or the other more responsive/stable
18:12:18 <TimClark> Simeon: ?
18:12:30 <Simeon> im back
18:12:40 <Simeon> system?
18:12:47 <TimClark> the computer
18:13:58 <Simeon> fullscreen mode is a little tricky as things like the menu wont be at their position after you run it because it changes the screen res somehow.
18:14:10 <Simeon> but other games like Warzone have the same problem.
18:14:26 <TimClark> so windowed would be preferred ?
18:14:49 <Simeon> that doesnt happen if i run it windowed but the local install has fullscreen by default and has the same problem too so its not really something I can do much about.
18:15:16 <Simeon> I prefer fullscreen cause the screen is bigger :)
18:15:20 <TimClark> I wish JTH had allowed the option to remain at startup
18:15:47 <Simeon> he says: theoriginal doesnt have it so we dont have it too.
18:15:58 <TimClark> i read
18:17:53 <TimClark> remind me Simeon , is it multiplayer/online only ?
18:17:59 <Simeon> no
18:18:09 <TimClark> good, i don't do online games
18:18:32 <Simeon> you can play single (=boring cause there is nboone to shoot ;)) or 2 teams against each other.
18:18:50 <TimClark> boring is safe :D
18:19:05 <Simeon> i think Warzone too is both online and local only isnt it?
18:19:30 <TimClark> that will be the question I ask after it is stable
18:19:55 <Simeon> if its just you, your chances of survival are much highter too!
18:20:17 <Simeon> my guess is that its stable now but you never know.
18:20:26 <TimClark> survival is good when you an old :P
18:20:37 <Simeon> haha
18:20:49 <TimClark> in this case stable will be a week w/o a revison or bug report
18:21:03 <Simeon> so 7Zip is stable? ;)
18:21:23 <TimClark> explain, i don't understand
18:21:40 <Simeon> has been there since a couple years without any revision
18:21:51 <TimClark> I don't use 7zip, as i just use zip files
18:22:11 <TimClark> I like standards
18:25:15 <Simeon> me too but sometimes I have to use others and then I like it - opens some installers too which is handy.
18:25:31 <Simeon> for people like me
18:25:32 <TimClark> true, i have it if i need it
18:26:54 <Simeon> to switch topics: I really hope Patrick still shows up every now and then!
18:27:00 <TimClark> 55 MB, my first HD was only "20" !!! I always wince at a game that is over 10 MB
18:27:16 <TimClark> He will
18:27:50 <Simeon> dont try flightgear then!
18:28:06 <TimClark> I predicted in my comment about his fairwells
18:28:14 <Simeon> I know
18:28:26 <TimClark> I wish someone would stop asking about flightgear already
18:28:59 <Simeon> Why? If there is a market for it someone will find a way to make it available.
18:29:31 <TimClark> from my read, if there were an interest, it would have been picked up already
18:29:48 <TimClark> Do we really need folks bumping old topics that have been dropped
18:30:03 <Simeon> I tried it once and its 400+ mb just tha basics.
18:30:20 <TimClark> yes, i read your comments in the bumped topic
18:30:43 <Simeon> I could delete some planes but that wouldnt save more than 100 max.
18:30:52 <TimClark> and of course someone always throws out the live installer thing for everything
18:31:22 <Simeon> ...which doesnt work here as I think the live installer can only handle zip files well.
18:31:27 <TimClark> Make the app work FIRST, live installer is a FINAL step, after everything else works
18:31:54 <Simeon> thats exactly ma point of view!
18:32:15 <Simeon> I would first make a version that works and then see what I can loose to make it smaller.
18:32:19 <TimClark> People keep bringing that up as if it is the solution to everything
18:32:54 <TimClark> If JoeDev can't even make the app work, why would you trust that he could make a live installer that works :/
18:33:19 <Simeon> in germany we have a saying for that: "its an egg-giving wool-milk-pig"
18:33:32 <Simeon> it gives everything: eggs, wool, milk and porc :)
18:35:16 <Simeon> And I never did a live installer - I like it "old-school"
18:35:39 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: are you back ?
18:35:47 <Gizmokid2005> I am TimClark
18:36:17 <TimClark> what are your views on folks who keep saying "Oh, but we could do a live installer " ?
18:36:44 <Simeon> I am all for original programm devs joining our forum, but the guy posting all over the SpyDllRemover thread gets a little anoying IMHO...
18:36:59 <Gizmokid2005> It depends on the application, but I'm strongly against live installers. There's no reason that an istaller should need to access the web for files, that more/less defeats the purpose of an installer.
18:37:26 <Chazz> Simeon, I agree.
18:37:31 <TimClark> Simeon: why is he bothering you, he seems to welcome our feed back
18:37:56 <TimClark> and he is sticking to that one topic
18:38:00 <Gizmokid2005> Now, in the case where we can't include the app because of licensing, I can understand a live installer for the application, but imho, that's the only reason it should ever be used.
18:38:18 * TimClark notes that he found the export in wrong location bug :P
18:38:39 <Simeon> what bug?
18:38:59 <TimClark> export report goes to root of the app instead of /data
18:39:11 <Simeon> ah. Congrats :)
18:39:13 <TimClark> but that was for JTH
18:39:25 <TimClark> I did not know the guy was gonna be around
18:39:33 <Simeon> I just think he is posting A LOT but maybe that gonna go away.
18:40:05 <Simeon> but youre right. Its constructive and he welcomes the feedback so its ok.
18:40:08 <Simeon> nevertheless.
18:40:14 <TimClark> would you like me to give you a list of the nonDevs that post ALOT , like from their first day
18:40:39 <Simeon> why would I need that list?
18:40:53 <TimClark> i was being sarcastic
18:41:03 <Simeon> ah
18:41:14 <TimClark> sometimes i feel like post from the new folks should need approval :/
18:41:28 <Simeon> I know what you mean
18:41:48 <TimClark> If I hear someone ask about folders/catagoires one more time i may scream
18:41:49 <Simeon> thats why we labeled them "gimme-posts".
18:42:31 <Simeon> on the other hand John needs to see that there is a lot of interest for that feature.
18:42:43 <TimClark> he knows
18:43:13 <Simeon> ok
18:43:40 <TimClark> I don't want a new beta every 2 weeks, I want the next release to be a good stable one, if it includes it fine, if we have to wait for the next, fine
18:44:15 <Simeon> but the beta we have could/should become final.
18:44:42 <TimClark> that's fine, then catagories could come in the next one
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18:45:42 <TimClark> Folks who say, "I won't use it, I will stick with MOD 27 or GeekMenu till I get my catogorises" I say, fine, see you then
18:46:08 <TimClark> It is NOT that important, really,
18:46:19 <Simeon> yes. I use the beta and am happy with it.
18:47:07 <Gizmokid2005> Just give john time, when he does something, he does it right...he doesn't just hack it together, that's not the point.
18:47:07 <Simeon> oh - another bump to "my" Assaultcube thread :)
18:47:30 <TimClark> i know, i was about to tell you
18:47:35 <Simeon> like this one guy posting that he took a little from here, a little from there...
18:50:42 <Simeon> I am glad people like AssaultCube; 8000 dl so far :)
18:51:49 <Gizmokid2005> good Simeon :)
18:52:08 <Gizmokid2005> games are gonna get a lot of downloads, that's one of the less capitalized on categories around here
18:52:36 <Simeon> yes. Atanks has almost 43'000.
18:53:30 <Simeon> gotta go -it was nice having a little chat with you guys!
18:53:36 <Gizmokid2005> see ya Simeon
18:53:43 <TimClark> take care Simeon , good to see you
18:54:42 <Simeon> you too tim
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19:20:55 <AGGELOS> test
19:21:27 <Gizmokid2005> AGGELOS: it works, no need for a testa
19:21:30 <Gizmokid2005> *test
19:22:34 <TimClark> Do we know Aggelos ?
19:23:26 <AGGELOS> hi to all i'm looking for the game arcanoid
19:24:06 <Gizmokid2005> AGGELOS: I don't know how we can help you with that.
19:24:22 <Gizmokid2005> if it's not listed in the applications page, and you've done a search on the forums, and its not there, we don't have it in any form whatsoever.
19:24:23 <AGGELOS> do you know whre i can download it??
19:24:33 <TimClark> I know we don't have a version of it
19:24:34 <AGGELOS> any site
19:24:40 <Gizmokid2005> AGGELOS: use google for that
19:24:44 <TimClark> Yahoo or google
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19:25:48 <TimClark> Aggelos i just checked our site, nothing there
19:25:59 <TimClark> not even in testing
19:26:16 <AGGELOS> google sows many sites and got lost
19:31:17 <AGGELOS> and what is the "warzone 2100 portable _2.2.4_rev.paf.exe"
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19:33:49 <TimClark> Aggelos do you mean what is the game or what do the numbers mean ?
19:34:47 <AGGELOS> what is the game is an action game??
19:35:07 <TimClark> yes, see here: http://www.wz2100.net/
19:36:45 <AGGELOS> thanks
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19:37:46 <TimClark> Your welcome
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20:40:08 <TimClark> Hello pa_7257 , can we help you with anything ?
20:40:44 <pa_7257> Hi; I'm having issues loading the new "Tile World" game that just came out.
20:41:07 <pa_7257> I installed it, and it pops up a window, but nothing loads. :\
20:41:21 <TimClark> what does the window say
20:41:34 <TimClark> is it a dos type window?
20:41:36 <pa_7257> It doesn't say anything.
20:41:47 <pa_7257> It takes on the background of my computer.
20:42:05 <TimClark> not sure what that means?
20:46:31 <TimClark> pa_7257: could you give us more information
20:47:07 <pa_7257> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Necrotica/Image1-2.gif
20:47:12 <pa_7257> Here is a screenshot.
20:47:35 <TimClark> i'm checking it now
20:48:20 <TimClark> that is after the install is done, right? Not during the install
20:48:40 <pa_7257> Yes; it's after the install. The install process went fine.
20:48:59 <TimClark> so the installer finishes , and this happens when you launch the game
20:49:24 <pa_7257> Yeah. When I go back to the PortableApps menu to launch the game, this is what happens.
20:49:44 <TimClark> from your hard drive or a flash drive
20:50:01 <pa_7257> It does it from both places.
20:50:35 <pa_7257> Ok; now something finally loaded after about 10 minutes.
20:50:49 <TimClark> No one active right now seems very familar with this situation , could you post here: http://portableapps.com/forums/support/other_apps at the forums
20:51:03 <TimClark> ahh, so it's slow
20:51:05 <pa_7257> But then when I come back here to type about it and then go back to the game, it doesn't work again.
20:51:08 <pa_7257> Yeah.
20:51:19 <pa_7257> Ok; I can post there.
20:51:30 <TimClark> yes, post in the fourm and give as much information as you can
20:52:03 <TimClark> OS, memory, processor speed, mention that you get the same result from hard drive and flash drive
20:53:05 <TimClark> and you might want to try it again, from your hard drive and with nothing else runnning
20:53:22 <TimClark> even a chat session
20:55:57 <pa_7257> Ok. Thanks for your help!
20:56:07 <TimClark> You're welcome
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22:15:41 <InsanePenguin> hey, i just installed portable apps on to my flash and put ff on it, works great, but one problem is it seems to be 'linked' to my local installation, or rather my local is linked to it
22:17:12 <MaienM> how do you mean, "linked"?
22:17:22 <MaienM> in what way do they seem to be connected?
22:17:28 <InsanePenguin> my local install has the same settings as the pa one, so much so that it has errashed my history and junk, like it were a fresh instal
22:17:58 <InsanePenguin> any settings i change in the pa ff also take place in my local ff
22:18:02 <MaienM> that is weird, that shouldn't happen...
22:18:16 <MaienM> did you by any chance update the portable version of firefox?
22:18:43 <InsanePenguin> no, i just got it off the pa site
22:19:12 <MaienM> hmm...
22:20:56 <MaienM> how did you run firefox portable?
22:23:27 <InsanePenguin> using the pa menu thing, think its called the suite
22:23:43 <MaienM> alright then, did you take any steps outside of simply installing the portable version and running it?
22:25:33 <InsanePenguin> nope
22:25:48 <MaienM> very weird indeed...
22:26:09 <MaienM> it shouldn't do that, but I can't think of any possible causes/solutions right now
22:26:28 <MaienM> I would advise you to make a post in the forums and ask for help there
22:27:02 <MaienM> sorry I can't be of much help :(
22:36:45 <InsanePenguin> kk
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22:52:00 <gluxon> InsanePenguin: Still need help?
22:54:33 <gluxon> MaienM: He could be using them at the same time... you know, the allow more than one instance setting in the ini file.
22:55:32 <MaienM> gluxon: as far as I know, firefox will detect running instances and just launch another window in the same instance instead of actually opening firefox again
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22:56:01 <MaienM> however..... if he already is running ff and then tried to run ffp, it could SEEM a new instance has opened...
22:56:29 <gluxon> Well, there's a setting in the ini file that lets him run more than one instance.
22:56:55 <gluxon> Check the FirefoxPortable.ini in the Source dir if you don't know what I'm talking about...
22:57:14 <avuton> Hello. I've created a test portable app for myself, the only problem I have figuring it out is that the 'ProgramPortable.exe' launcher, how am I supposed to get it to redirect to App/Program/Program.exe?
22:57:34 <InsanePenguin> no, i didnt have two open
22:57:37 <gluxon> avuton: Have you read the Guerila Field?
22:57:55 <MaienM> avuton: you need to create an launcher in nsi,
22:58:01 <MaienM> avuton: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
22:58:20 <avuton> The lightbulb comes on. Thanks!
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23:01:17 <gluxon> ... He's going to find that a lot harder than it looks...
23:01:52 <TimClark> You were warned gluxon, stop with the "..." to everything, since you were warned it is now seen as being sassy. You are muted in here now, And conversation about it will Not occur in the main channel unless you want to be muted there as well. General Warning, you are getting more annoying than usual lately
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