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01:03:57 <TimClark> Your attention please:
01:04:09 <TimClark> There appears to be an out of band update being released by MS for those who use IE, If you don't normally check for updates till patch Tuesday, you might want to check for this now.
01:04:27 <TimClark> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=976749
01:05:12 <TimClark> That is all :P
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02:54:59 <justasking> hello anyone around?
02:55:39 <TimClark> Hello justasking
02:55:50 <justasking> hello TimClark
02:56:02 <justasking> i want to ask a question
02:56:21 <OliverK> k
02:56:21 <TimClark> go right a head
02:57:04 <justasking> im trying to create a portable app but windows 7 doesnt want to run it
02:57:14 <TimClark> OliverK: might be able to help you with this better than I, OliverK ?
02:57:18 <justasking> im using a virtual windows 7
02:57:18 <OliverK> maybe
02:57:29 <OliverK> justasking: that's perfectly fine
02:57:47 <OliverK> does the base app start withing windows 7?
02:57:55 <OliverK> within*
02:58:04 <justasking> the base app doesnt start
02:58:18 <OliverK> does it start without the launcher?
02:58:19 <justasking> the problem is about sys something
02:58:35 <justasking> nope
02:58:48 <justasking> it doesnt start with or without the launcher
02:58:50 <OliverK> oh
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02:58:52 <OliverK> well
02:58:56 <OliverK> then its not gonna work
02:59:16 <OliverK> i don't know what exactly the problem is, but without it working installed within windows 7
02:59:23 <OliverK> it won't start as a portable
02:59:39 <justasking> will it work with the virtual xp inside windows 7?
02:59:50 <OliverK> what's the app
02:59:59 <justasking> sketchup
03:00:04 <justasking> google
03:00:22 <OliverK> and that doesn't work within windows 7?
03:01:02 <justasking> what i did was copy the sketchup portable app that i created inside virtualpc windows 7
03:01:12 <justasking> but the app wont start
03:01:15 <OliverK> hmm
03:01:40 <OliverK> well, you need to recreate the enviroment that the app has within a installation
03:01:50 <OliverK> can you paste bin the source for the app
03:01:58 <OliverK> you may have something goofy within the source
03:02:06 <OliverK> use a service like portableapps.pastebin.com
03:02:26 <justasking> the error is got is "The application has failed to start because its side-by-side configuration is incorrect"
03:02:40 <OliverK> hmm . . .
03:02:48 <OliverK> then it IS starting
03:03:00 <OliverK> you just haven't created the envinroment properly
03:03:07 <justasking> i see
03:03:14 <OliverK> recread is guess
03:03:15 <justasking> what does it mean?
03:03:18 <OliverK> I*
03:03:44 <justasking> so i just need to run nsis inside windows 7?
03:03:47 <OliverK> what it means it the launcher is pretty much a over glorified installer\uninstaller
03:04:04 <OliverK> justasking: no, you need to recreate EXACTLY what the program expects yo see
03:04:17 <OliverK> i don't use google sketchup
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03:04:30 <OliverK> but that may envolve envorimental variables
03:04:47 <OliverK> registry
03:04:49 <OliverK> etc
03:05:00 <justasking> i see
03:05:32 <justasking> do you know where to get a portableapps template?
03:05:43 <OliverK> theres a couple running around
03:05:55 <OliverK> but my prefrence is to write them myself
03:06:04 <OliverK> that way I know I have what I need
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03:06:48 <OliverK> hmm . . .
03:06:54 <OliverK> have you read the guerilla guide?
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03:07:16 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/node/14868
03:07:19 <justasking> a little
03:07:33 <OliverK> i'd start there, it'll give you a good base point
03:07:41 <OliverK> i gues sits a little technical, but I can't help it
03:08:17 <justasking> is the registry from xp different from 7?
03:08:19 <OliverK> if you run into anymore problems, you can leave a note in the portableapps development forum
03:08:20 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/forums/development/portable_app_development
03:08:21 <OliverK> not really
03:08:27 <OliverK> why? Does it work in XP?
03:08:41 <OliverK> (without being installed in XP)
03:08:43 <justasking> yup, it works inside xp
03:08:50 <justasking> yup
03:09:04 <OliverK> no installed XP?
03:09:12 <OliverK> err, not installed on XP?
03:09:27 <justasking> i can run it in xp
03:09:34 <OliverK> hmm . . .
03:09:38 <OliverK> well, this is above me
03:09:41 <OliverK> I post something here
03:09:42 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/forums/development/portable_app_development
03:09:58 <OliverK> and see if anyone else on the forum knows whats going on
03:10:04 <justasking> ok
03:10:08 <justasking> thanks for the time
03:10:13 <OliverK> no problem
03:10:20 <OliverK> feel free to stop by again
03:10:29 <justasking> ok, thanks
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03:34:52 <Raleigh034> OliverK, can we talk about that great little program Pnotes for a few moments?
03:34:59 <OliverK> go for it
03:35:50 <Raleigh034> My partner and I use the same computer, I in the early morn and her a little later. I run through the messages and make several notes, but can't save them with a 'hide all' without confirming each note individually.
03:35:59 <Raleigh034> and I have unchecked the confirmation boxes.
03:36:10 <Raleigh034> It prompts for a name for each message.
03:36:32 <OliverK> title?
03:36:43 <Raleigh034> If I get 20 messages and then have to take off, its kind of frustrating. Yes, it asks for a Title for each one.
03:37:03 <OliverK> that would be pnotes base
03:37:17 <OliverK> umm . . . I'm not really sure if there's a way to disable that
03:37:32 <Raleigh034> It worked well in the previous versions.
03:37:51 <Raleigh034> I would pop the notes up and then hide them from prying eyes.
03:39:00 <Raleigh034> So something changed, and it really takes away from a great program for me.
03:39:18 <OliverK> well
03:39:20 <Raleigh034> I don't need an answer tonight either, but just wanted to plant the seed.
03:39:24 <OliverK> let me look
03:39:26 <OliverK> sell, see
03:39:29 <OliverK> well*
03:39:35 <OliverK> that something with the base app
03:39:43 <OliverK> you'd have to email lamer about that
03:39:49 <Raleigh034> Ok, thanks.
03:39:55 <OliverK> he has a fairly active forum on sourceforge
03:40:11 <OliverK> http://pnotes.sourceforge.net/
03:40:14 <Raleigh034> I shall look there then, thanks for the info.
03:40:18 <Raleigh034> and the link
03:40:19 <OliverK> no problem
03:41:32 <Raleigh034> Guess I had the link all along with the Pnotes home page.
03:41:39 <Raleigh034> thanks
03:41:44 <OliverK> no prob
03:41:50 <OliverK> wow, he's got a alpha
03:41:58 <OliverK> now is definately the time to make a feature request
03:42:01 <OliverK> 5.5 :D
03:43:38 <Raleigh034> Yep, guess I better go sign in. Cya
03:43:43 <OliverK> night
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05:07:10 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
05:11:25 <Chazz> Hey ChrisMorgan :)
05:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Chazz :)
05:12:01 <Chazz> How goes it?
05:12:11 <ChrisMorgan> fyne
05:12:19 <ChrisMorgan> s/ne/gn/
05:12:43 <Chazz> lol
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07:30:41 <Chazz> wb ChrisMorgan
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07:31:28 <Chazz> Night guys :)
07:31:34 <Horusofoz> Anyone know how to make the theme switcher in Pidgin Portable work?
07:31:44 <Chazz> Horusofoz, no clue. :(
07:31:45 <ChrisMorgan> night Chazz
07:31:49 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: no
07:31:57 <Horusofoz> :(
07:31:59 <ChrisMorgan> Just the same way as in normal Pidgin I'd say
07:32:07 <Horusofoz> Night Chazz
07:32:13 <ChrisMorgan> (Thus, colour me ignorant).
07:33:07 <Horusofoz> Buddy list theme drop down box in the Pidgin preferences area but no entries. I checked and there are a number of themes in F:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\GTK\share\themes
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08:48:05 <Horusofoz> This sucks. Someone spammed ChrisMorgan|Away blog post "Chris's code-related ideas, plans and proposals" - http://portableapps.com/node/21313#comment-132138
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09:01:37 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
09:03:04 <ChrisMorgan> Ain't it marvellous... I post a blog entry (http://portableapps.com/node/21313) and it gets spammed...
09:07:04 <sar3th> :(
09:07:09 <sar3th> i like your ideas though :)
09:07:11 <ChrisMorgan> Can you see the spam comment?
09:07:16 <ChrisMorgan> If you refresh now?
09:08:06 <ChrisMorgan> In editing it to remove the spam and mark it for deletion I changed it to Not Published, which adds it to the moderation queue (for John) and I presume removes it from your view (as a moderator I can see it)
09:08:30 <sar3th> yes
09:08:34 <sar3th> it's gone now
09:12:58 <ChrisMorgan> OK, good
09:13:09 <ChrisMorgan> Now I know how to do it properly I think :-)
09:37:29 <ChrisMorgan> Uh oh... site offline (database trouble)
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09:59:51 <taneth111> anyone else getting site offline errors?
10:00:09 <ChrisMorgan> taneth111: I commented on it in here 20 minutes ago
10:00:29 <ChrisMorgan> It's the sort of error that if you get it everyone will: database problems are at that end, not yours
10:02:10 <taneth111> ah.
10:02:50 <ChrisMorgan> It's been offline for between 25 and 50 minutes
10:03:20 * ChrisMorgan wonders whether it's another Rackspace issue which will have John working all day
10:04:26 <taneth111> hopefully not, so that way john will be well rested when he releases the next beta
10:05:38 <taneth111> Hey chris, check this out: http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Matt/jesus-is-a-pretty-bad-backseat-driver-too.png
10:05:49 <ChrisMorgan> ... why?
10:06:02 <ChrisMorgan> It's the Universal Launcher I care about more than the Platform.
10:06:41 <ChrisMorgan> *ahem*
10:06:46 <ChrisMorgan> Well...
10:09:06 <ChrisMorgan> I think it's likely to be another RackSpace failure
10:10:39 <sar3th> .g rackspace
10:10:42 <GizmoBot> sar3th: http://www.rackspace.com/
10:10:49 <sar3th> ty GizmoBot
10:10:56 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com is hosted on a RackSpace server
10:11:02 <sar3th> i see
10:12:54 <taneth111> ChrisMorgan: http://www.rackspace.com/blog/?p=690
10:15:06 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh* it'll be database corruption then.
10:15:10 <ChrisMorgan> As I expected.
10:19:04 <ChrisMorgan> I wonder whether this will tip the balance finally against RackSpace.
10:19:27 <taneth111> who else would john be able to use?
10:19:34 <ChrisMorgan> John was investigating a couple of other ones after a couple of months ago when we had four outages (database corruption each time) in as many weeks
10:19:39 <ChrisMorgan> There are others.
10:19:54 <ChrisMorgan> He mentioned the name of one, can't remember off-hand
10:22:54 <ChrisMorgan> What's more I'll probably have to recreate that nice post of mine... fortunately I still have the thread open so I can just copy its source back.
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10:31:07 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
10:31:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hey SteveLamerton
10:31:20 <ChrisMorgan> Pity, isn't it :-(
10:31:38 <SteveLamerton> Hey ChrisMorgan, what the site being down?
10:31:42 <ChrisMorgan> RackSpace was "testing" their UPS system... and it failed :/
10:31:50 <SteveLamerton> Nice ;)
10:31:54 <ChrisMorgan> So now we've got a corrupted database... again.
10:32:12 <SteveLamerton> There was me hoping it was the site update before 2.0 ;)
10:32:16 <ChrisMorgan> So I predict that John will get nothing done in the next few hours that he wanted to get done.
10:32:17 <taneth111> http://www.rackspace.com/blog/?p=690
10:32:27 <taneth111> Steve, ^^
10:32:45 <ChrisMorgan> SteveLamerton: "technical problems", "If you are the maintainer of this site, please check your database settings in the settings.php file and ensure that your hosting provider's database server is running. For more help, see the handbook, or contact your hosting provider."
10:32:53 <ChrisMorgan> i.e. its database is broke
10:33:25 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, nasty
10:34:43 <taneth111> hey guys, can I get some testers for RM Portable 1.1?
10:34:52 <ChrisMorgan> Not at the moment sorry
10:35:13 <ChrisMorgan> It might help others if you said RainMeter rather than RM
10:35:18 <ChrisMorgan> Or better still RainMetre ;-)
10:35:45 <taneth111> ah, but its technically Rainmeter
10:35:56 <ChrisMorgan> Then you should say Rm
10:36:26 <taneth111> but then it sounds like i'm deleting something :P
10:36:39 <taneth111> anywho, if anyone reads the logs: http://cubegames.net/taneth/uploads/test/RainmeterPortable_1.1_English.paf.exe
10:49:39 <ChrisMorgan> Imagine... John'll probably be waking up some time soon (possibly already) and he'll discover the corrupted database and all his plans for the day will suddenly be ruined... :-(
10:51:26 <sar3th> :(
10:52:04 <ZachT|ZzZz> not if you were once under the british (Canadians and Aussies) we still use metre even Centre :P
10:52:19 <ZachT|ZzZz> and wow I'm slow
10:52:21 <ChrisMorgan> ZachT|ZzZz: that was off topic :-)
10:52:56 <ZachT|ZzZz> yeah I just woke up
10:53:09 <ZachT|ZzZz> but now I must run off to work :/
10:53:21 <ZachT|ZzZz> see ya guys in 4 hours time
10:53:26 <ChrisMorgan> bye,
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10:53:29 <taneth111> bye
10:53:33 <ChrisMorgan> I can see that you go to work while asleep ;-)
10:54:21 <ZachT|AFK> my morning usually starts as getting up in the morning and leaving for work :/
10:55:19 <ZachT|AFK> as we french people say Au reviour
10:56:24 <taneth111> ah, so he's a french canadian. I was wondering about that.
10:58:03 * ZachT|AFK is more than just a french Canadian but he's Acadian French Canadian
10:58:11 * ZachT|AFK goes away fully now
11:18:35 <ChrisMorgan> g'nite
11:22:10 <sar3th> good night ChrisMorgan
11:23:05 <SteveLamerton> Bye ChrisMorgan
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14:09:45 <GizmoBot> OliverK will get to this later
14:13:06 <OliverK> so, when did the site crash . . .
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14:27:30 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
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14:33:59 <Gizmokid2005> OliverK: about 4.5 hours ago
14:34:08 <OliverK> heh
14:34:11 <OliverK> its back now :D
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15:34:58 <pa_7151> i am using amsn. my panda anti-virus complain this program has adware
15:36:08 <pa_7151> hello....
15:36:10 <pa_7151> help
15:36:10 <GizmoBot> pa_7151: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
15:36:20 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7151: what file does it say is infected?
15:36:32 <pa_7151> amsn
15:36:44 <pa_7151> amsn.exe
15:37:10 <Gizmokid2005> it's most likely just a false positive, it happens a lot with our applications as they use compression
15:37:11 <pa_7151> this is a brand new system
15:37:17 <Gizmokid2005> and most anti-virus products see that as a threat.
15:37:54 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7151: go here and scroll down: http://portableapps.com/support
15:38:49 <pa_7151> there is no amsn support
15:39:39 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7151: that's not what i said, scroll to the bottom of the page
15:39:46 <Gizmokid2005> where it says: AntiVirus and AntiSpyware False Positives
15:40:09 <pa_7151> what do you mean
15:40:27 <pa_7151> it only point to this file and neutralized..
15:40:56 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7151: did you read that section?
15:42:05 <pa_7151> i know different anti-virus will report differently
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15:42:42 <Gizmokid2005> that's what i'm trying to tell you, the file detection is a false positive, if you are really worried about it, check the links given there, but there is no issue with that file.
15:43:00 <pa_7151> thanks ...
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17:38:15 <SteveLamerton> .seen JohnTHaller
17:38:15 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen johnthaller around.
17:38:45 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
17:39:13 <SteveLamerton> Hey Zach
17:39:24 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
17:41:28 <SteveLamerton> I am annoyed ;)
17:41:36 <ZachThibeau> O_o
17:41:46 <Gizmokid2005> why SteveLamerton?
17:42:08 <ZachThibeau> yeah why?
17:42:22 <SteveLamerton> John has put out 16 releases after he said mine was next on the list :(
17:42:42 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, I can imagine SteveLamerton :( I'm sorry
17:42:51 <SteveLamerton> Kinda sucks
17:43:00 <Gizmokid2005> no, it more than /kinda/ sucks
17:43:08 <ZachThibeau> it must be hard trying to do it all on his own :/
17:43:12 <Gizmokid2005> you'd think he'd be adamant about getting stuff out that's at home with us...
17:43:21 <Gizmokid2005> stuff that's been around, before new stuff
17:44:20 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, I huess the problem is that he tries to get out portable releases as soon as possible after their non portable release, as Toucan doesnt have a non portable release it is easy to move down the list, no one will know
17:44:45 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but, most of this stuff is just new apps in general
17:44:53 <Gizmokid2005> you'd think that already released apps would get updates out first.
17:45:06 <SteveLamerton> Exactly
17:45:22 <ZachThibeau> I'm still waiting for beta 4 that he said he was going to release :/
17:45:49 <ZachThibeau> I can understand that delay but toucan as you said would be the easiest to do
17:46:40 <SteveLamerton> All he has to do is run the installer so he can digitally sign it, I have written the release notes and such
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17:51:31 <SteveLamerton> I would email him, but I suspect it might not get read for some time ;)
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17:53:11 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: you are probably right
17:53:35 <SteveLamerton> I was hoping to catch him on here, but he seems to be avoiding irc ;)
17:53:56 <Gizmokid2005> he's online though, you could PM him
17:53:59 <Gizmokid2005> he's just not inchannel
17:55:37 <SteveLamerton> Hmmmmm
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18:49:58 <eeexcid3> hey Gizmokid2005
18:50:20 <Gizmokid2005> hello eeexcid3 :)
18:50:24 <Gizmokid2005> eeexcid3: /j #gizmokid2005
18:58:35 <SteveLamerton> Site is down again
18:59:06 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: wfm
18:59:11 <SteveLamerton> And back again
18:59:14 <Gizmokid2005> lol
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22:04:05 <SteveLamerton> Gizmokid2005: Progress ;)
22:04:15 <Gizmokid2005> I see that SteveLamerton :)
22:04:22 <Gizmokid2005> congrats
22:04:43 <SteveLamerton> Thanks :) Did someone tell him? Or does he read the logs? Or was today just the day anyway?
22:04:52 <Gizmokid2005> *shrugs* I never talked to him
22:05:44 <SteveLamerton> I guess we will never know :) Hopefully this release will put Toucan past 750,000 downloads :D
22:08:01 <SteveLamerton> And if he does read the logs, thanks John!
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22:09:11 <Gizmokid2005> Lol yeah :)
22:09:18 <Gizmokid2005> and congrats again SteveLamerton :)
22:09:52 <SteveLamerton> Thanks, I will have to post a blog entry soon, definitely when it hits 3/4 million and again about what I have in the works for Toucan 3
22:10:12 <Gizmokid2005> :)
22:10:16 <Gizmokid2005> any word on FTP yet?
22:13:38 <SteveLamerton> The plan is to make the scripting interface powerful enough so you can add stuff like ftp, I dont really want to add it directly as it is a pretty big job (lots of code would need rewriting to deal with ftp paths) and there are plently of programs that do ftp transfer way better than I will ever be able to ;)
22:14:17 <Gizmokid2005> Hmm ok :)
22:15:31 <SteveLamerton> It is something I have had in mind whilst starting the new scripting stuff though :)
22:15:41 <Gizmokid2005> ok :)
22:18:46 <SteveLamerton> Basically I have the new Lua backend mostly integrated at the moment, sync works great, backup and secure are getting some changes on the backend so they fit the new scripting stuff better, it is *seriously* powerful as there is now a real programming language rather than my badly written script parser. For example I have the code somewhere so that my sync job doesnt run if the date is the 13th an
22:18:51 <SteveLamerton> d it is a friday!
22:19:46 <Gizmokid2005> very nice SteveLamerton! :D
22:19:57 <Gizmokid2005> I will admit, I haven't used it much lately, but it's always installed :)
22:22:02 <SteveLamerton> Yes, I think v3 should bring it a bit of a new lease of life!
22:23:15 <Gizmokid2005> :)
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22:23:21 <Gizmokid2005> it's not that I don't like it, just haven't had a need
22:23:59 <SteveLamerton> Fair enough :) I think the extra power it will bring means for a lot of people it becomes a lot more useful
22:24:04 <Gizmokid2005> :) good :D
22:24:10 <SteveLamerton> Hi ChrisMorgan
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22:30:27 <ChrisMorgan> hey guys
22:30:45 <MaienM> SteveLamerton: any news on the linux side?
22:31:40 <SteveLamerton> It compiles ok at the moment, sync and secure work fine, backup doesnt, however when I change the way backup is handled (using the dll rather than the exe) it should get fixed as a by-product
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22:39:04 <SteveLamerton> Anyway ought to go all, bye
22:39:12 <ChrisMorgan> bye SteveLamerton
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