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03:55:48 <GizmoBot> OliverK will get to this later
03:57:01 <Chazz> 'ello OliverK :)
03:57:14 <OliverK> 'ello Chazz
03:57:23 <Whibo> 'ello Whibo
03:57:31 <Chazz> lol
03:57:36 <Whibo> 'ello you
03:57:39 <Whibo> sup
03:57:41 <OliverK> 'ello Whibo
03:57:42 <Whibo> nothin
03:57:45 <Whibo> and you
03:57:47 <Whibo> well
03:57:50 <Whibo> exams
03:57:52 <Whibo> ok
03:58:26 <Whibo> any girl you like?
03:58:29 <Whibo> well
03:58:35 <Whibo> school's president
03:58:37 <Whibo> ok
03:58:42 <Whibo> awesome
03:58:52 <Whibo> me too i find her attractive
03:58:52 <Chazz> Whibo,,,
03:58:55 <Chazz> *...
03:59:03 <ChrisMorgan> Whibo: could you please stop just posting lots of short lines... especially also review their content.
03:59:13 <Whibo> OMG
03:59:19 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, I think he's talking to himself... :P
03:59:21 <Whibo> we r in #PA
03:59:25 <Whibo> :O
03:59:29 <Whibo> sorry
03:59:31 <Whibo> :(
03:59:35 <ChrisMorgan> Whibo: try /query Whibo
03:59:39 <Chazz> lol
03:59:40 <Whibo> lol
04:00:56 <Res2216firestar> lol
04:01:12 <Chazz> C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
04:05:48 <OliverK> C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
04:06:19 <Chazz> C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER BREAKER
04:06:30 <ChrisMorgan> Shush guys. -ot.
04:06:45 <ChrisMorgan> Random stuff goes in #portableapps-ot. Not #portableapps.
04:06:47 <Chazz> Sorry ChrisMorgan :P
04:06:50 <ChrisMorgan> And that's /really/ random.
04:07:12 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK: could you please translate "That and I don't think that a PAUL will EVER carry what a REAL developer needs in his toolbox." for me?
04:07:31 <OliverK> what did I write?
04:07:32 <OliverK> read it
04:07:37 <OliverK> that's what i mean
04:07:48 <OliverK> i'm very straight forward about things
04:08:03 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm? What do you mean though?
04:08:11 <OliverK> it won't work
04:08:14 <OliverK> i won't use it
04:08:15 <OliverK> its stupid
04:08:21 <ChrisMorgan> Of course it will. Why won't it?
04:08:25 <OliverK> your making a tone of code for something like pnotes
04:08:31 <OliverK> that basically does a command line config
04:08:46 <OliverK> why the hell would I want to be able to support registry with that thing?
04:08:56 <OliverK> it'll just slow it down and its not needed
04:09:06 <ChrisMorgan> "All" it does is simplify our launchers so that they can be configured with INI files. If you don't need registry support, it won't load it.
04:09:07 <OliverK> and screamer needs xml support to handle the switching
04:09:16 <ChrisMorgan> So it'll have XML support in some form.
04:09:17 <OliverK> but it still is another step
04:09:27 <OliverK> and stuff thats in the launcher that makes it just that much bigger
04:09:30 <ChrisMorgan> But put it this way: it's happening whether we like it or not.
04:09:36 <ChrisMorgan> It's actually still pretty small.
04:09:40 <OliverK> oh really?
04:10:04 <OliverK> why would i carry a job site box to change the switch plate in my house
04:10:08 <OliverK> that's what you're doing
04:10:09 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. CPALT5 was under 80KB (then add on 35KB for the splash screen)
04:10:14 <ChrisMorgan> It's /not/ what we're doing.
04:10:37 <ChrisMorgan> And remember it's not me that's doing it... it's John too. He started work on it first.
04:10:42 <OliverK> um
04:10:43 <OliverK> yeah
04:10:45 <OliverK> then i did
04:10:53 <OliverK> and I figured out its not gonna work
04:10:56 <ChrisMorgan> You slotted in before me and possibly before John.
04:11:27 <OliverK> i think john was working on it
04:11:34 <ChrisMorgan> I think yours was just missing a bit of flexibility in reading its configuration (iterators in INI reading and all, which is made /soo/ much easier with LogicLib)
04:11:41 <OliverK> and that's how i know its not gonna work
04:11:46 <OliverK> i've revamped it since then
04:11:50 <OliverK> no logic lib
04:11:57 <OliverK> handles multiple registry etc
04:12:00 <OliverK> well, it would have
04:12:03 <OliverK> i quit working on it
04:12:10 <ChrisMorgan> I've used CPALT very successfully with a number of applications of mine.
04:12:11 <OliverK> the idea behind intellilaunch was I have the ini
04:12:29 <OliverK> then you havne't been working on the applications i have been doing
04:12:34 <OliverK> btb4
04:12:41 <OliverK> i share the ini
04:12:44 <ChrisMorgan> I've done several Java apps and a couple of others
04:12:58 <OliverK> you take the ini, put it in the data, and copy over th eprogram files
04:13:00 <ChrisMorgan> GanttProject, Sweet Home 3D, DataCrow, WinDjView, and one or two others
04:13:20 <OliverK> sar3th and i have one that i gaurentee your launcher won't work with
04:13:28 <ChrisMorgan> Great :-)
04:13:36 <ChrisMorgan> That's what we need to improve functionality in it :-)
04:13:56 <OliverK> i'm not going to
04:14:01 <Gizmokid2005> Not to add flames to the fire, but ChrisMorgan, a universal launcher will never work...
04:14:07 <Gizmokid2005> Especially with Songbird
04:14:08 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: why not though?
04:14:17 <Gizmokid2005> with the way a lot of coding has gone with actual apps
04:14:24 <Gizmokid2005> have you actually /ever/ looked at the launcher source?
04:14:25 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: well I know that John's planning on making it so that it will work.
04:14:32 <OliverK> in ten years
04:14:33 <Gizmokid2005> it won't happen.
04:14:35 <ChrisMorgan> No, not the Songbird one. Never downloaded it even...
04:14:46 <OliverK> i'' have moved on by then
04:14:46 <Gizmokid2005> Songbird's launcher has to handle hex editing
04:14:48 <OliverK> RFL
04:15:30 <ChrisMorgan> I should download it and have a look at it.
04:15:40 <ChrisMorgan> I believe that we'll have it supported though before too long.
04:15:52 <OliverK> again
04:15:55 <OliverK> tomorrow
04:15:58 <OliverK> or in real speak
04:16:00 <OliverK> ten years
04:16:24 <ChrisMorgan> "before too long", John style ;-)
04:16:38 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: just like "Wednesday" right?? :P
04:16:40 <ChrisMorgan> I'll have a look at the launcher
04:16:53 <ChrisMorgan> Oh come, come, come. That wasn't the first date promised :P
04:17:05 <Gizmokid2005> Which is my point :)
04:17:11 <OliverK> i'm not holding my breath
04:17:19 <OliverK> i will have died by then
04:17:51 <ChrisMorgan> As soon as the first release of PAUL comes out I'll be working on it again... that'll be nice :-)
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04:27:00 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm...
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04:27:50 * ChrisMorgan wonders how hard it would be to substitute AppSongbirdxulrunnersqlite3.dll for AppSQLitesqlite3.exe
04:28:08 <OliverK> that's -dev
04:28:47 <Gizmokid2005> huh ChrisMorgan?
04:29:37 <ChrisMorgan> What that was was "/me wonders how hard it would be to substitute App\Songbird\xulrunner\sqlite3.dll for App\SQLite\sqlite3.exe" but KVIrc killed the \ in it :/
04:30:11 <Gizmokid2005> there were no slashes in your first one ChrisMorgan
04:30:25 <ChrisMorgan> Could do it with System::Call
04:30:31 <OliverK> -dev chris
04:31:10 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: stripped by KVIrc (I forgot it does that with them, \ and ; are special characters when you run a command with / )
04:31:31 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: not if you escape them or CTRL+Send them
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05:30:37 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: corner case bug (requires partial INI file), line 143 in your pastie (`${ReadINIStrWithDefault} $WAITFORPROGRAM "$INIPATH\${NAME}.ini" "${NAME}" "WaitFor${APPNAME}" "false"`), default value is false, should be true
05:30:58 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, I meant that to go in #portableapps-dev, sorry
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06:23:10 <Horusofoz> Hello boyz and girlz
06:23:31 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... are there any of the latter in here?
06:23:34 <ChrisMorgan> Hello though :P
06:24:33 <Horusofoz> Hey ChrisMorgan
06:24:54 <Horusofoz> One must be courteous and offer the greeting all the same.
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06:28:14 <Horusofoz> It's quite likely that the perception of the OSS scene as being a man's land that probably leads to many female contributors not openly identifying their selves as female. Then again I don't see any reason for them too in the first place so there is a very good chance that there are female users in the room who simply choose not to identify their self as such as a matter of preference.
06:29:11 * ChrisMorgan has no idea... but I programming generally /is/ mostly males. You don't find many females in it, though there are some.
06:29:15 <Chazz> Horusofoz, you know the rule.
06:29:22 <Chazz> "No girls on the internet."
06:29:23 <Chazz> :P
06:29:24 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, hello :-)
06:29:48 <Horusofoz> Chazz: Despite myself I gotta laugh at that
06:29:55 <Chazz> lol :P
06:31:39 <Horusofoz> Has anyone tried out TeamViewer Portable as yet?
06:31:45 <ChrisMorgan> Not I
06:31:56 <Gizmokid2005> Horusofoz: nope, thought about it...then recalled all the revisions lately, then decided against it.
06:33:46 <Horusofoz> I've downloaded and successfully connected to their test computer but haven't yet had the chance to do a real run :(
06:34:13 <Horusofoz> Pretty sure it worked from behind a firewall without admin rights at college :)
06:35:11 <Horusofoz> With that said I just realised it probably left behind the firewall whitelist entry?
06:35:35 <Gizmokid2005> possibly Horusofoz
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06:50:39 <Ben|Adium> O_O
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07:28:36 <Ben|Adium> darnit the power went out :(
07:31:59 <Chazz> that sucks :(
07:32:15 <Chazz> :|
07:32:21 <Chazz> Paint just froze...
07:32:31 <Chazz> Photoshop is still running fine... :|
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11:52:44 <pa_8532> hi all
11:53:50 <pa_8532> just had a question, I'm kinda not familiar with the portable apps. I'd like to know how to convert any app to portable app.
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19:20:14 <Simeon> hi all
19:21:20 <kai_62656> Hi Simeon
19:21:37 <Simeon> hi Kai
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19:37:57 <Simeon> lots of lurkers here :)
19:38:11 <Gizmokid2005> always Simeon, always
19:38:18 <Simeon> haha
19:38:31 <Simeon> waiting for John to chime in and give you a preview?
19:41:36 <Gizmokid2005> won't happen Simeon
19:41:47 <Gizmokid2005> I don't wait for the impossible ;)
19:42:24 <Simeon> he did it last time...
19:42:43 <Gizmokid2005> yes, but the platform was also supposed to be out a week ago ;)
19:43:06 <Simeon> I know that.
19:43:26 <Gizmokid2005> :)
19:54:15 <Simeon> Gizmokid2005: You could check this link in your spare time: http://portableapps.com/node/21335 ;)
19:54:37 <Simeon> Im kinda lost there
19:54:56 <Gizmokid2005> sounds like he just hosed his profile again
19:56:03 <Simeon> yep
19:56:19 <Simeon> I wonder how that happens cause it never happened to me:-/
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20:00:58 <Gizmokid2005> some profiles just go haywire.
20:02:17 <Simeon> that must be it
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20:54:36 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
20:55:25 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
20:55:54 <SteveLamerton> Hi Zach
20:56:31 <ZachThibeau> how are you today?
20:57:05 <Simeon> hi Steve
20:58:12 <SteveLamerton> Much better thanks Zach, thanks
20:58:14 <SteveLamerton> Hi Simeon
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21:36:53 <pa_6424> how can I make Google Chrome the default browser on Portable Apps
21:37:15 <Simeon> You cant. I think that hardcoded into the menu
21:38:31 <pa_6424> Have you heard if anyone contacted John Haller and asked if he would make Chrome a default browser option?
21:39:18 <Simeon> I guess we will - The default browser thing is from a time where there was nothing else than firefox
21:39:36 <pa_6424> Thanks!
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22:13:56 <[Duuude]> Hi I wante to asl for support
22:14:08 <sar3th> hello [Duuude], how can we help you?
22:16:01 <[Duuude]> I did see this of some software. They are many versions of it and it is says 32-bit and 64-bit what is it
22:16:41 <[Duuude]> What is 32-bit or 64-bit
22:16:51 <[Duuude]> I have no clue
22:17:20 <sar3th> "32-bit is[...] a term given to a generation of computers in which 32-bit processors were the norm."
22:18:00 <sar3th> it's the common processor type
22:18:19 <[Duuude]> Graphics Card?
22:19:07 <sar3th> no, you processor (often refered to as CPU)
22:20:04 <[Duuude]> I have Penitum 4. Can I use software with 32 or 64 bit
22:20:52 <sar3th> that depends on the specific model of your pentium, i'm not sure whether there are pentium 4 processors with 64 bit technology
22:20:58 <sar3th> do you have a model number or anything?
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22:22:30 <[Duuude]> Yes. But it is late. And I need to work next day and can ask then.
22:22:49 <[Duuude]> I need to sleep now
22:22:49 <sar3th> okay, sure
22:22:52 <[Duuude]> Have a nice day
22:23:00 <[Duuude]> or nightr
22:23:04 <[Duuude]> night
22:23:19 <sar3th> thanks, you too
22:23:19 <sar3th> bye
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22:27:22 <CousticKingz> hello
22:29:57 <CousticKingz> im having a problem with installing portableapps
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22:37:20 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
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22:42:02 <pa_4662> I wish I could remove the splash pages from these apps, I use a lot of them on public computers and its really hard to be discreet with the splash pages popping up and they won't even fall behind
22:42:27 <ChrisMorgan> pa_4662: you can hide each application's splash screen individually.
22:42:40 <pa_4662> how?
22:42:46 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look at Other\Source\Readme.txt in each application's directory for details
22:43:25 <ChrisMorgan> It involves copying Other\Source\AppNamePortable.ini to the same directory as AppNamePortable.exe, and then changing the "DisableSplashScreen" line from false to true
22:44:01 <pa_4662> thanks!!!!! You should put that somewhere easy to see on the site, I couldn't find any references by using the search tool. Thanks a lot.
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22:44:30 <ChrisMorgan> It's referenced from each application's help file (help.html)
22:44:43 <ChrisMorgan> And I think it's somewhere in the Support section of the site... but can't remember exactly
22:44:55 <pa_4662> no worries, thanks
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22:49:49 <ChrisMorgan> I think http://portableapps.com/node/21332 has illegal stuff in it (Mac ROM), but I'm just checking now. I'll remove it if I can confirm it.
22:53:07 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, includes the rom. Removing.
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23:47:55 <Happehwalrus> I have the PortableApps Suite beta, none of the icons will show for my apps?
23:49:13 <ChrisMorgan> Happehwalrus: did you install it to the right location?
23:50:03 <ChrisMorgan> You should be ending up with X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\PortableApps.comPlatform.exe with your apps in X:\PortableApps
23:50:49 <Happehwalrus> Yes, I do.
23:51:07 <ChrisMorgan> In the right locations and all?
23:51:41 <Happehwalrus> Yes.
23:52:45 <Happehwalrus> I had the same problem with the previous stable version.
23:53:03 <Happehwalrus> I had installed in on an XP, and on Vista it won't show the icons.
23:53:11 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, that
23:53:24 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not sure why that issue happens, but it has been reported a couple of times.
23:53:30 <ChrisMorgan> None of us have ever been able to reproduce it.
23:53:43 <ChrisMorgan> Try Refresh App Icons in Options
23:53:50 <Happehwalrus> I did.
23:54:06 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... anything special about your configuration of Vista?
23:54:13 <Happehwalrus> Nope.
23:54:30 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think I can help you really :-(
23:54:45 <Happehwalrus> Are there different settings for the suite in vista and XP?
23:55:14 <ChrisMorgan> Not that I'm aware of.
23:55:56 <ChrisMorgan> 64-bit?
23:56:16 <Happehwalrus> Yes.
23:56:28 <ChrisMorgan> Which edition of Vista?
23:56:39 <Happehwalrus> Professional.
23:56:42 <ChrisMorgan> (I doubt this will help but if we have the info we may be able to use it)
23:56:54 <ChrisMorgan> Professional? Do you mean Business or Ultimate?
23:57:00 <ChrisMorgan> Or Enterprise?
23:57:24 <ChrisMorgan> The editions are Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, Enterprise
23:58:18 <Happehwalrus> Ultimate, sorry.
23:58:50 <ChrisMorgan> I'm on Business 32-bit and it's working fine.
23:59:26 <ChrisMorgan> I might possibly be able to test it on Dad's Ultimate 64 laptop soon, but not just now
23:59:36 <ChrisMorgan> But I don't think it's at all a normal problem
23:59:56 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not aware of any time that any of us have reproduced it. Just one or two users.