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01:22:53 <Happehwalrus> Very active.
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01:24:19 <Chazz> lol
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02:11:52 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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02:15:25 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is the awsomest and is... OMG!!! PIE!!! <3
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02:20:43 <OliverK|School> hey SrgSiler|AFK, did you see gizmo's announcment? I don't know if your .def counts, but wanna let you know
02:20:56 <SrgSiler|AFK> no i didnt see
02:21:14 <OliverK|School> [17:29] Gizmokid2005: ATTN EVERYONE (Even you reading logs)!
02:21:14 <OliverK|School> [17:30] Gizmokid2005: .defs that are set and are useless (ie - they spam, say nothing useful, or say something about getting to their def) are from this point forward disallowed. This goes for anyone and everyone. You will be warned once and it will be removed. After that, .def priveleges will be removed. This is NOT up for debate.
02:21:14 <OliverK|School> [17:30] GizmoBot: Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626 and RSSOwl Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/19271
02:21:14 <OliverK|School> [17:30] Gizmokid2005: That is all.
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02:21:47 <SrgSiler|AFK> fixed
02:21:52 <OliverK|School> k
02:22:11 <OliverK|School> he said my .def counted, so I imagine. . . .
02:22:16 <OliverK|School> Anyway, just wanted to let you know
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02:48:32 <Chazz> OliverK, how was school?
02:48:50 <OliverK> bah
02:48:52 <OliverK> i'm still at it
02:48:58 <OliverK> cisco is a pain in the rear
02:49:07 <Chazz> O_o
02:49:12 <Chazz> ah
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03:09:03 <OliverK> rmccue!
03:09:12 <rmccue> o/
03:11:43 <Chazz> rmccue! :D
03:11:50 <rmccue> \o
03:13:26 <Chazz> \o/
03:13:28 <Chazz> |
03:13:29 <Chazz> / \
03:14:16 <rmccue> ..|..
03:14:26 <rmccue> \ /
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03:14:43 <OliverK> combo breaker?
03:14:49 <OliverK> howdy time clark
03:14:50 <rmccue> Haha, nope.
03:14:54 <rmccue> o/
03:15:04 <OliverK> o/
03:15:07 <TimClark> could someone check out this post http://portableapps.com/node/12734#comment-132702
03:15:17 <TimClark> i have remove the links
03:15:27 <OliverK> maybe if my computer un freezes :p
03:15:36 <TimClark> but i don't think the post even really has anything to do with the topic
03:16:03 <TimClark> this was the third time 4th time today
03:16:09 <TimClark> 4th*
03:16:19 <TimClark> and hello rmccue
03:16:51 <OliverK> that's a old topic
03:16:52 <rmccue> Looks like spam to me.
03:17:03 <OliverK> it is
03:17:15 <OliverK> has IH Wake on lan has ntohign to do with DML
03:17:17 <OliverK> what ever that is
03:17:54 <TimClark> that's what i thought, but was not sure, the links were in Arabic and went to an Arabic site
03:18:33 <TimClark> rmccue: you have the power to delete the member don't you?
03:18:44 <rmccue> Mmm.
03:19:12 <TimClark> well, if you agree that this is spam it's the 4th time today
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03:45:28 <TimClark> thanks guys
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04:10:23 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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08:28:36 <GizmoBot> vatts is from Portableapps.com forums, likes linux much more than anyone else on planet Earth, has no site yet and has 4gbs of portableapps software. he programs now from 128mb USB key which has PythonPortable 2.6 installed.
08:28:36 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 and GEdit Portable! (And Gnumeric Portable) :D
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09:36:46 <GizmoBot> vatts is from Portableapps.com forums, likes linux much more than anyone else on planet Earth, has no site yet and has 4gbs of portableapps software. he programs now from 128mb USB key which has PythonPortable 2.6 installed.
09:36:46 <GizmoBot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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09:39:24 <ChrisMorgan42> Wow, this routing issue really is a nuisance... *sigh*
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10:28:25 <taneth111> hiya Hiccup
10:28:37 <vatts> yiha!
10:28:43 <Hiccup> hi :)
10:28:47 <vatts> hi
10:28:49 <vatts> ;)
10:28:53 <taneth111> hi vatts
10:28:59 <vatts> hi
10:29:31 <ChrisMorgan42> Services have been having a hiccup in the past couple of hours... :P
10:29:41 <vatts> ehwtf?
10:29:42 <ChrisMorgan42> I suppose that now services are fixed I can actually switch nick.
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10:29:50 <vatts> btw why did GizmoBot print my def 2 times -_-"
10:30:24 <ChrisMorgan> vatts: one hour ago, that was because of the routing issue between freenode's EU and US servers
10:30:33 <vatts> oh
10:30:35 <vatts> netsplant
10:31:09 <ChrisMorgan> Don't you read your global notices? :P "Hi all, we appear to have some routing issues between our US and EU servers, we're looking into it and will hopefully have a workaround shortly! Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using freenode."
10:31:26 <ChrisMorgan> I was stuck unable to get op while it was like that :O
10:31:58 <ChrisMorgan> If there had been incidents during that time we would have had no op... Gizmo was on the other side of the split.
10:32:15 <vatts> ChrisMorgan, no, since my BNC doesn't playback it.
10:32:39 <ChrisMorgan> Ah... excuses, excuses ;-)
10:33:01 <vatts> wanna see whole fucking playback from all channels? it would get pastebin.com down for ages
10:33:07 <ChrisMorgan> vatts: please don't swear.
10:34:07 * vatts ÀľàЧ ĎàШШÎŤ
10:34:35 <Hiccup> Any of you guys try installing skype?
10:34:54 <ChrisMorgan> Not I.
10:36:58 <Hiccup> I would like to, but i dont know how/if it preserves your settings (mic, audio, and so forth) from one machine to another
10:37:41 <ChrisMorgan> Such settings at the operating system won't be kept with you. Any volume settings configured inside Skype itself will be kept.
10:37:51 <ChrisMorgan> But things like microphone input volume, no.
10:39:46 <Hiccup> Im also kind of suprised cause i thought only open source stuff was allowed?
10:40:01 <ChrisMorgan> We support freeware now.
10:40:11 <ChrisMorgan> It's been in the pipeline for a long time, and it's finally here.
10:40:23 <taneth111> that is also why there's an official Google Chrome Portable
10:40:40 <ChrisMorgan> And 2X Client. And IcoFX.
10:40:47 <ChrisMorgan> And another one which I've forgotten
10:41:38 <Hiccup> Im confused. Isnt it an issue of whoever made the software giving portableapps.com permission?
10:42:19 <ChrisMorgan> It depends on the situation.
10:43:03 <ChrisMorgan> Skype and Chrome are online installers, meaning we host an installer which downloads it from their server and extracts it to the portable location (without running their un-portable installers)
10:43:16 <ChrisMorgan> TeamViewer they host on their own server.
10:43:43 <ChrisMorgan> IcoFX I think we host on our own server (not SourceForge as it's not open source), with the whole application included (by permission)
10:44:01 <ChrisMorgan> Those are the current three options.
10:44:17 <ChrisMorgan> Online installer, they host, we host
10:46:29 <Hiccup> "they host" meaning there's a page on portableapps.com just like for any other program, except when they hit download they get redirected to teamviewer's site?
10:46:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
10:46:48 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look :-)
10:47:01 <Hiccup> Cant right now
10:47:11 <ChrisMorgan> OK
10:49:16 <ChrisMorgan> Three Development Test Releases: Data Crow 3.7, GanttProject 2.0.10, Sweet Home 3D 2.1. See http://portableapps.com/tracker for links (and it looks pretty cool ;-) ) :-)
10:49:18 <Hiccup> Okay but about skype and chrome. Wouldnt it just be the same thing if i downloaded the regular installer, ran it, then after it was done i just copied the installation directory onto my flash drive?
10:50:02 <ChrisMorgan> No.
10:50:07 <ChrisMorgan> We provide a launcher.
10:50:33 <ChrisMorgan> Without which it isn't portable.
10:52:43 <Hiccup> When you say "it isnt portable" do you mean it wont work, period?
10:52:55 <ChrisMorgan> It may or may not - but it won't be portable.
10:59:34 <Hiccup> Im just curious cause a long time ago (before i even heard of portableapps) i wanted to use yahoo messenger at the library. I remember copying the installation directory from my computer at home onto my flashdrive. I copied it into program files on the library machine, then went into it and tried opening the exe that launches the program...And nothing happened. In task manager the process would appear briefly then disappear
11:00:46 <Hiccup> I also remember doing the same thing with a program called teamspeak, and it worked perfectly
11:01:32 <ChrisMorgan> Most will work, but some won't. Practically none will keep their settings with them.
11:01:51 <Hiccup> so im just curious about if/when/how you need to modify an app to make it portable
11:02:05 <ChrisMorgan> Always!
11:03:28 <ChrisMorgan> Not quite always, but close enough to always. Unless they say "portable" on their website (in which case you will still need to separate out data for PortableApps.com Format compliance) you'll need to do something about it.
11:06:50 <Hiccup> Im on a cellphone just so you know :P
11:06:56 <ChrisMorgan> :/
11:10:27 <Hiccup> I looked at the test releases page earlier. Some of the stuff has been in there for a really long time. Why do people not finish releasing stuff theyv started work on?
11:10:49 <ChrisMorgan> Don't ask me
11:11:09 <ChrisMorgan> Generally they just fizzle out... the person who started it loses interest, or runs up against an issue they can't cope with.
11:11:31 <ChrisMorgan> Or it gets to stable... and hits a plateau, not being released because we're too lazy to check it thoroughly.
11:12:21 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight
11:12:36 <Hiccup> Good night. And thanks
11:12:40 <Hiccup> :)
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11:18:15 <vatts> hi MaienM
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12:04:13 <pa_6851> hi! i just wanted to suggest or request to the site administrator of portableapps.com: Can you put some label something like "new", "updated",or "latest version" with regards to the list of applications in this page http://portableapps.com/apps, tnx!
12:06:01 <pa_6851> i think it would help at a glance which application which is new entry or updated version
12:06:39 <ZachThibeau> well the front page already shows updates, but I think your idea is pretty good, all we have to wait for John (site admin) to come in so it could be suggested or you can post on the forums about it too
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13:15:23 <pa_6851> i will repost request (edited and also posted in forum http://portableapps.com/node/21387)
13:15:41 <pa_6851> hi! i just wanted to suggest or request to the site administrator of portableapps.com: Can you put some label: something like "new", "updated",or "latest version" with regards to the list of applications in this page http://portableapps.com/apps ? I know that the front page already shows updates! but the former page (http://portableapps.com/apps) has the complete list of applications (i presume)
13:15:59 <pa_6851> and it would help at a glance (if one happens to miss the news) which application is new entry or updated version (and if i am not mistaken, the applications listed on the said page, are linked in their "stable version" - which i prefer to use, not beta or alpha - i just leave them to the geeks:-) Tnx!
13:16:18 <pa_6851> hope it will reach john :-)
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15:20:05 <Ablac> Can somebody help me?
15:21:10 <MaienM> Ablac: what do you need help with?
15:21:39 <Ablac> I installed Portableapps on my U3 drive, when i ejected it from the computer and put it back my computer says its got nothing on the flash driver and theres 0 Gigs out of 0 Left, When i try to format it it gets an error ever time.
15:24:06 <Ablac> Oh and Windows is trying to format it.
15:24:12 <MaienM> Ablac: hmm, I don't have any experience with u3 and I've never heard of an error like that... I don't think anyone else is active atm so I would advise you to post in the forums.
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15:50:03 <pa_6055> hi all. i have a question
15:50:28 <pa_6055> is it normal if PA wont start if its installed in another folder, not in the root of the USB drive?
15:50:35 <pa_6055> ex H:\portableapps
15:53:10 <MaienM> pa_6055: it should be able to run, but the auto-run dialog won't show up
15:54:41 <pa_6055> well no, it wont run
15:54:58 <pa_6055> well i deleted it, now ill try installing to the root, and see if it works
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17:36:38 <Gizmokid2005> hello TimClark
17:36:50 <TimClark> hello Gizmokid2005
17:37:04 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: did you hear about the SSH hack for the jailbroken iPhones?? LOL!
17:37:27 <TimClark> For those of you who use iphones, itouches, what ever iPhone worm in the wild
17:37:39 <TimClark> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=7549
17:38:01 <TimClark> Actually Gizmokid2005 , as you can see above, that's why i came in
17:38:28 <ZachThibeau> great minds think alike :P
17:38:40 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah, people don't take security seriously. Allow me to get you a screenshot of it, it's quite humorous actually.
17:39:05 <TimClark> I know some of our members use them, and i'll sure they ARE jailbroken
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17:39:30 <TimClark> and it seems the jailbroken ones are the ones in danger
17:40:27 <MaienM> TimClark: mine is jailbroken but I am not so stupid that I left the root password at default, so I'm not in danger
17:40:53 <Gizmokid2005> MaienM: unless you have an iPHONE you're ok :)
17:41:00 <Gizmokid2005> all - here's the other post containing the image: http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/11/08/jailbreakers-change-ssh-password-rickroll/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
17:41:33 <TimClark> ty Gizmokid2005 , i just threw in the iTouch to cover all the bases
17:41:39 <Gizmokid2005> yw TimClark :)
17:43:21 <TimClark> I really must admit, i don't get into "breaking" things, there is something to be said about only using "approved" "secure" apps from a secure source
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17:44:29 <TimClark> U3 would have been a secure platform if it had not been hacked by folks who wanted to "personlize" it, it was intended to only run apps that had been gotten from "the source"
17:44:45 <TimClark> Now, forget it
17:45:14 <ZachThibeau> if it's out there there will be people bound to break it in some way
17:45:41 <TimClark> It was Memorex's fault, but that's a whole long story
17:45:41 <Ben|Adium1> TimClark: IPOD TOUCH! :P *goes off to college*
17:45:59 <MaienM> TimClark: in some cases (like U3 afaik) the official sources just lack a lot of things and the only way to really use it the way you want to is to "hack" it in some way, unfortunately
17:46:20 <TimClark> understood MaienM , but it would have been secure
17:46:29 <TimClark> Ben|Adium1: I don't understand
17:46:44 <Ben|Adium1> Bensawsome: you said iTouch. it's iPod touch :P
17:46:47 <Ben|Adium1> errr
17:46:53 <Ben|Adium1> wow i just failed
17:47:01 <MaienM> as usual
17:47:02 <Ben|Adium1> that was directed at you tim ;)
17:47:06 <TimClark> oh, get over it Ben|Adium1 , everyone calls it an iTouch
17:47:10 <Ben|Adium1> lol but seriously i gtg
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18:26:23 <sw0b0da> hey can I make my own Portable Application Programs - for example Corel Wordpertect or Corel Draw
18:26:56 <sw0b0da> *Corel Wordperfect
18:27:29 <TimClark> Some apps are easier to make portable than others
18:27:40 <sw0b0da> oh ok
18:27:47 <sw0b0da> so how do I go abouts that ??
18:28:04 <TimClark> and we really don't support making portable apps out of closed soure commerial software
18:28:05 <MaienM> sw0b0da: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
18:28:33 <TimClark> so we could not help you with WP, you would need to do it on your own
18:28:51 <MaienM> that is a guide on what steps are needed to make an app portable. However, as TimClark said, only oss (open source) and freeware apps may be made portable
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19:04:40 <Yinny> hello
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19:05:33 <TimClark> Hello Yinny
19:05:40 <TimClark> good bye Yinny
19:06:12 <Chazz> lol
19:34:08 <gluxon> Who's Yinny?
19:34:33 <TimClark> a vistor who left quickly
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19:40:20 <gluxon> Phazon: Need help, or just here to lurk? :P
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19:42:48 <Phazon> gluxon, can't a guy join an IRC channel without being asked questions why he joined? :]
19:43:07 <Chazz> lol
19:43:09 <gluxon> That's right :P
19:43:15 <Chazz> Phazon, not a help channel. ;P
19:43:54 <TimClark> guys, he does not need to explain himself, if he wants help he'll speak
19:45:14 <gluxon> Phazon: Explain Yourself! :P
19:45:25 <Phazon> ...
19:45:37 <TimClark> gluxon: leave him alone
19:45:49 <gluxon> Phazon: Sorry :(
19:46:00 <Phazon> :/
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19:58:10 <b135> Is the forum the only way to suggest a app?
19:58:21 <TimClark> Hello b135
19:58:26 <TimClark> It's the best way
19:58:42 <b135> Why?
19:58:52 <TimClark> it will be seen by a wider group of folks, some who don't use irc
19:59:24 <TimClark> And it can be discussed and tracked as it develops
20:01:29 <TimClark> And if it can't be done for some reason, you will see it and not have to come back to the irc to find out it's status
20:02:10 <TimClark> But if you want to name the app, go ahead, we might be able to give you some feed back
20:03:05 <b135> Yahoo! widget engine (Konfabulator)
20:03:13 <TimClark> Ideally, it should be free and open source, with no license restrictions
20:04:29 <TimClark> i think it has been discussed in the forums, have you searhed for it
20:04:36 <b135> no
20:04:49 <TimClark> I'm sure someone came up with a version, but it never took off
20:04:59 <b135> I'll do that the next time.
20:05:13 <b135> bye
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20:09:05 <TimClark> Actually it looks like someone has tried to revive Yahoo Widgets not that long ago, August of this year
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20:40:16 <andreasma> hi
20:40:38 <TimClark> Hello andreasma
20:40:49 <andreasma> hello TimClark
20:41:06 <TimClark> All is quiet in here
20:41:24 <andreasma> no problem ;-)
20:41:52 <andreasma> I'm a little bit tired after my return from the OOoCon in Orvieto.
20:42:06 <TimClark> How did it go?
20:43:04 <andreasma> A very nice environment. I had some good discussions with people from other language projects.
20:43:50 <andreasma> I gave there a presentation about OOo Portable and about another topic.
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20:45:28 <andreasma> And I get some information about new features and procedures inside OOo.
20:46:53 <TimClark> Sounds good, glad you had a nice time
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20:50:33 <andreasma> Only the weather was not so nice. At monday afternoon it was raining and sometime pouring :-(
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20:54:58 <andreasma> During the conference it rains also sometimes. But the OpenSource community have the sun inside :-)
20:55:32 <Chazz> so, they had sun inside, but did they have /Sun/ inside? :P
20:57:47 <andreasma> Chazz, some yes, because they are employed by Sun ;-)
20:58:04 <Chazz> Ah, nice. :P
20:58:57 <andreasma> But they have also the OpenSource sun inside: they are double sun inside ;-)
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21:04:50 <Chazz> heh, yeah :)
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21:37:03 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
21:38:55 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, :o
21:39:12 <ChrisMorgan> :o?
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21:40:48 <Chazz> ?o:
21:41:01 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: why :o?
21:41:12 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, I do not know. :P
21:41:23 <MaienM> Chazz: if you have nothing useful to say then say in -ot
21:41:40 <ChrisMorgan> That way I don't have to suffer it :D
21:41:51 <Chazz> Sorry MaienM :(
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21:51:01 <andreasma> bye
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23:36:19 <Chazz> 'ello rbrt13
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