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04:00:26 <Steel> Hello
04:00:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, Steel! Can we help you with anything?
04:01:08 <Steel> Yeah. I have a question about making closed source apps portable.
04:01:19 <Steel> I understand that I wouldn't be able to release it.
04:01:25 <ChrisMorgan> It depends on their license.
04:01:34 <ChrisMorgan> And whether you get permission from them.
04:01:37 <Steel> But I was wondering if I could make something that I use portable, just for myself.
04:01:42 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
04:01:59 <ChrisMorgan> In a very few circumstances, no, due to the EULA, but that's very rare.
04:02:16 <Steel> Cool. My specific case is Civ 4.
04:02:54 <Steel> I already use it on my flash drive, and it works, I just always need to copy the My Documents/My Games folder to keep save files and stuff.
04:03:19 <Steel> Also, it never saves the settings. So I was hoping to be able to make it usable with the Portable Apps Launcher.
04:04:34 <Steel> So, assuming I check the EULA, and there's nothing that would prevent me, how do I go about starting?
04:05:13 <ChrisMorgan> If you care about it fitting into the PortableApps.com Format specification, read that, and then make a launcher
04:05:45 <Steel> I read a thread in the forum about how the folder heirarchy should be organized, but I didn't understand how to make the program look in it's own directory rather than a C drive directory.
04:06:11 <ChrisMorgan> Is it particular files in My Games?
04:06:26 <ChrisMorgan> i.e. civilisation4.sg or something like that
04:06:27 <ChrisMorgan> I have no idea
04:06:40 <Steel> Two folders in specific, and the files change.
04:07:24 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know how it would behave in Vista. Would it go in C:\Users\user\Documents\My Games?
04:07:53 <ChrisMorgan> Soon we will be releasing a universal launcher, but in the mean time you can try and work it out with a test generic launcher of mine: http://portableapps.com/node/19188
04:08:10 <Steel> For example, when it autosaves, the save file goes to "C:\Documents and Settings\mps042000\My Documents\My Games\Beyond the Sword\Saves\single\auto"
04:08:11 <ChrisMorgan> I think you would be wanting a [DirectoriesMove] section with lines like
04:08:48 <ChrisMorgan> bts=%DOCUMENTS%\My Games\Beyond the Sword
04:09:13 <ChrisMorgan> Or possibly just 'settings=%DOCUMENTS%\My Games', that'd work fine
04:09:41 <Steel> So, how do the Launchers work? Do I make most of the directory stuff in there?
04:10:01 <ChrisMorgan> Then it would move them back and forwards from Civilisation4Portable\Data\settings to the My Games location (backing up anything there before) and then back at the end
04:10:57 <Steel> So the launchers don't change how the program acts, it just copies the files when the program starts and when it ends?
04:11:34 <ChrisMorgan> All of our official applications (except Toucan, which doesn't need a launcher, and JkDefrag, which needs a frontend and so uses AutoHotkey) use NSIS launchers. We're moving to having INI-configured launchers. My launcher which I linked to is a prototype of that system and it works well.
04:11:54 <Steel> So I could use my existing installation, and just create a launcher for it and make it use the proper Folder Format?
04:12:11 <ChrisMorgan> Some you're able to use command-line options or environment variables to change where they will save their settings, and some you have to move things back and forth
04:12:17 <Steel> So yours is an INI launcher?
04:12:19 <ChrisMorgan> You should be able to.
04:12:21 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
04:12:42 <Steel> And it works with the current PortableApps.com Platform?
04:12:49 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
04:12:59 <Steel> I feel like you are my hero!
04:13:11 <ChrisMorgan> Uh oh... :/
04:13:20 <Steel> It's a good thing, no worries.
04:13:45 <ChrisMorgan> Read the help file in the launcher download, and read the Format specification.
04:13:58 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format that is
04:16:10 <Steel> I'm going to go read some. Thanks for your help.
04:16:22 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
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06:43:18 <taneth111> hi all.
06:44:03 <Chazz> heya taneth111 :)
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10:10:35 <purple> hi
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10:11:08 <Guest70498> im interested to know who is responsible person for portableapps.com
10:11:33 <ChrisMorgan> Guest53757: what for?
10:12:15 <ChrisMorgan> Guest70498: what for?
10:12:22 <ChrisMorgan> Three guests...
10:12:25 <ChrisMorgan> :/
10:12:38 <Guest70498> just a sec to change a nick
10:13:08 <Guest70498> something weird happening with this web chat tningie
10:13:12 <Guest70498> anyways
10:13:33 <ChrisMorgan> Guest70498: did you identify with the correct password?
10:13:33 <Guest70498> i would like to know what are the terms for getting a link in Sponsored Links section on PA.com
10:13:48 <ChrisMorgan> They're Google ads.
10:14:33 <Guest70498> oh, so can i put my link there for something in exchange like money or sponsorship or similar
10:14:46 <ChrisMorgan> They're Google ads.
10:14:58 <ChrisMorgan> Step 1: get a relevant Google AdWords ad...
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10:16:42 <purple> ok im back
10:16:53 <purple> i was asking for advertising with PA.com
10:17:14 <ChrisMorgan> As I said, they're Google ads.
10:18:05 <purple> so no sponsor links are accepted? im working for a SEO company and i would like to somehow advertise with PA.com and my client would like to give something in exchange if possible..
10:18:20 <purple> i never get an answer on question, who is the owner of PA.com?
10:18:38 <ChrisMorgan> If you like, you could get in contact with John, but I think you're unlikely to get a special ad run. It's possible though.
10:18:49 <ChrisMorgan> John T. Haller, JohnTHaller in here
10:19:28 <purple> OK, thanks, i willtry to contact him and possibly provide some donation or sponsorship of some sort to our beloved PA.com
10:19:28 <purple> :)
10:19:42 <ChrisMorgan> Use the business contact address
10:20:54 <purple> sure, thanks
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13:14:10 * ChrisMorgan is happy... his first complete Drupal theme has just been released at http://watersums.com/ - designed in Inkscape :-)
13:14:25 <ChrisMorgan> It being tomorrow now though goodnight until later today :P
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18:11:10 <pa_3558> hi, I am with problems with system tray icon. I cannot open it again.
18:11:38 <pa_3558> somebody knows how to help me
18:11:50 <pa_3558> please
18:13:12 <pa_3558> 1.5.2
18:14:39 <Bensawsome> so you click on the system tracy icon and it doesnt come up pa_3558?
18:14:47 <Bensawsome> tray icon rather lol
18:15:15 <pa_3558> yes, no action when I click
18:15:34 <Bensawsome> hmmm
18:15:46 <Bensawsome> it could ahve frozen... not likely though
18:16:09 <Bensawsome> can you right click on it and tell me what you get?
18:16:14 <Bensawsome> the tray icon that is
18:16:20 <pa_3558> nothing
18:16:23 <Bensawsome> hmmm
18:16:24 <Bensawsome> ok
18:16:25 <pa_3558> no response
18:16:34 <Bensawsome> go to the root of your usb drive
18:16:42 <Bensawsome> and open up startportableapps.exe again
18:16:57 <Bensawsome> it *should* open the menu if it's already running
18:17:05 <Bensawsome> also
18:17:22 <pa_3558> no action again
18:17:25 <Bensawsome> is this on your computer with full administrative priveledges or on a school/work/public computer?
18:17:44 <pa_3558> home computer
18:17:48 <Bensawsome> ok
18:18:00 <Bensawsome> so i guess you are gonna have to kill the process
18:18:09 <Bensawsome> press CTRL-ALT-Delete
18:18:54 <Bensawsome> and go to the processes tab
18:19:21 <Bensawsome> one sec i need to remember the name of the process XD
18:19:38 <pa_3558> ok I have done that
18:19:39 <Bensawsome> ok
18:20:23 <Bensawsome> cool now find a process called "portableappsplatform.exe" or portableappsmenu.exe and click the end process button
18:20:35 <Bensawsome> and say yes to the warning that comes up
18:20:46 <Bensawsome> if you cant find the process tell me
18:20:56 <pa_3558> ok it closes the program on system tray icon
18:21:05 <Bensawsome> cool
18:21:05 <Bensawsome> now
18:21:27 <Bensawsome> open up the startportableapps.exe file in the root of your drive and see if it works
18:22:38 <pa_3558> it seems like working now
18:22:45 <Bensawsome> :D
18:22:47 <Bensawsome> cool
18:22:57 <Bensawsome> so ya if that ever happens again just repeat those steps :)
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18:23:28 <pa_3558> yeah because it stopped again
18:23:34 <Bensawsome> oh now it's not?
18:23:40 <Bensawsome> hmmmm
18:23:49 <Bensawsome> strange
18:24:08 <StolenSteel> Hello.
18:24:10 <pa_3558> just when I run some application it stop again
18:24:12 <Bensawsome> do you have an older computer pa_3558?
18:24:17 <Bensawsome> oh
18:24:17 <Bensawsome> hmmm
18:24:25 <Bensawsome> well it could also be your usb drive is slow
18:24:37 <pa_3558> maybe
18:24:53 <Bensawsome> oh and did you try the new version of the menu? 2.0 beta?
18:24:56 <Bensawsome> it works fine :D
18:25:08 <Bensawsome> john is just fine tuning some things before the final release
18:25:13 <sar3th> however, it's beta software, always remember that ;)
18:25:16 <Bensawsome> you want to try and install that?
18:25:18 <Bensawsome> ya
18:25:24 <sar3th> it it kills your cat, it's your fault ;)
18:25:28 <Bensawsome> LOL
18:25:34 <pa_3558> thanks a lot, for your help
18:25:35 <Bensawsome> nice way to put it sar3th :P
18:25:40 <Bensawsome> no prob pa_3558 :)
18:26:00 <StolenSteel> How do you get the beta menu? And is there anything cool and new about it?
18:26:22 <Bensawsome> one sec StolenSteel
18:27:03 <Bensawsome> here ya go StolenSteel http://portableapps.com/node/20013
18:27:08 <Bensawsome> its all in the topic
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18:28:33 <StolenSteel> Thanks!
18:28:58 <StolenSteel> Would you mind helping me with a question?
18:29:36 <Bensawsome> ask away
18:30:03 <StolenSteel> I'm trying to make an app that I use portable. I have it almost completely finished, except for one part.
18:30:29 <StolenSteel> I'm using Chris Morgan's INI Launcher, and I can't change the icon associated with his exe.
18:30:34 <Bensawsome> what app?
18:30:36 <Bensawsome> oh
18:30:41 <Bensawsome> i dunno how to use his thing
18:30:43 <Bensawsome> sry
18:30:51 <StolenSteel> Ah...
18:30:52 <Bensawsome> you might not be able to
18:30:57 <Bensawsome> i dunno for sure though
18:30:59 <sar3th> StolenSteel: hang on, i'll try to find that out
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18:31:40 <StolenSteel> I tried using IcoFX to change it, but it corrupts the file (I think).
18:31:47 <StolenSteel> Oh well.
18:31:56 <StolenSteel> At least I have it fixed in the Menu.
18:31:57 <sar3th> StolenSteel: i think you don't need to change the launcher's icon
18:32:05 <sar3th> that should be enough
18:32:15 <sar3th> normally, people will launch the app throught the menu :)
18:32:19 <OliverK> sar3th: no just change it in the appinf\appicon.ico
18:32:33 <OliverK> otherwise you need to recompile it, beccause of the crc check
18:32:55 <sar3th> OliverK: that's what i'm thinking as well ;)
18:33:00 <StolenSteel> I guess it's fine as is then. Cool.
18:33:11 <OliverK> ohai sar3th, StolenSteel
18:33:52 <OliverK> sorta like hello ;)
18:33:53 <Bensawsome> but StolenSteel what app did ya do? (just curious)
18:34:15 <StolenSteel> Heh, well, it's not one that I'll put up.
18:34:20 <Bensawsome> lol
18:34:21 <StolenSteel> More for personal use.
18:34:31 <StolenSteel> Starcraft.
18:34:37 <Bensawsome> oh sweet :D
18:34:57 <Bensawsome> ya i think i remember there being an old old launcher for that on the forums somewhere but i dunno for sure
18:35:02 <Bensawsome> prbly dont even work anymore
18:35:20 <StolenSteel> Okay, so this is my second time using IRC, and I'm using xchat... What does it mean when someone's name is in red?
18:35:52 <StolenSteel> I was primarily using it to get a feel for how it works, my next two goals are Diablo II and Civ 4
18:35:56 <MaienM> it means in that line your name was mentioned
18:36:04 <StolenSteel> Oh.
18:36:10 <MaienM> the red is so it stands out
18:36:20 <NiveusLuna> it's often called a highlight or a ping
18:36:23 <StolenSteel> Makes sense. I thought it might be someone whispering me.
18:36:33 <Bensawsome> StolenSteel whisper whisper ;)
18:36:34 <Bensawsome> lol
18:37:34 <StolenSteel> Well, now I'm going to start working on Diablo.
18:37:56 <StolenSteel> This one shouldn't be too hard either, since I don't think it changes any files locally either.
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18:39:49 <andreasma> hi
18:40:09 <StolenSteel> Hello
18:44:28 <andreasma> Hi StolenSteel
18:46:15 <StolenSteel> Okay, class time. Bye everyone!
18:46:44 <OliverK> bye
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20:28:15 <JohnTHaller> hi all
20:29:56 <gluxon> Hello :)
20:32:50 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
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20:48:22 <SteveLamerton> Hi JohnTHaller :)
20:48:55 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
20:50:25 <computerfreaker> Hi guys! :)
20:50:34 <SteveLamerton> All is good thanks, loooks like I am going to FOSDEM too, I'll apply to do a 15min talk if that is still ok with you?
20:51:30 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: is it OK if I use 7-zip Portable in one of my GPL apps?
20:51:59 <JohnTHaller> yeah, SteveLamerton, that'll be cool
20:52:09 <JohnTHaller> computerfreaker: what are you makin?
20:52:41 <computerfreaker> It's a shell replacement application; I need a compression/decompression app to handle theme files (similar to PA.c themes) and regular archives
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20:53:00 <DjAbra> hi
20:53:03 <computerfreaker> 7-Zip would fit the bill nicely, and a private dev test has everything working just fine with it
20:53:19 <DjAbra> i have roblem witch utorrent portable 1.8.5
20:53:28 <JohnTHaller> DjAbra: what's your issue?
20:53:43 <DjAbra> i have errors when i dl
20:53:54 <computerfreaker> what kind of errors?
20:54:26 <DjAbra> just like dl folder is unavaible
20:54:31 <DjAbra> sry for my eng
20:54:47 <computerfreaker> have you selected a valid, existing folder that you have privs to write to?
20:56:01 <DjAbra> yes, i use standard setings afert install
20:56:26 <DjAbra> i think relativity adress to folder not working
20:56:38 <computerfreaker> DjAbra: what I'm trying to ask is if you're downloading to a folder you have write privileges for
20:56:51 <computerfreaker> if you're trying to download to a folder you don't have write privileges for, the DL will fail'
20:58:04 <DjAbra> i have privileges. i can format and mod* my pendrive
20:58:25 <DjAbra> i run on win7 x64 disable uac
20:58:29 <computerfreaker> ok... what kind of Internet connection do you have?
20:58:47 <DjAbra> adsl 1024/256
20:59:31 <computerfreaker> how fast is it usually? (Not looking for a precise speed, just relative - "fast", "very fast", "slow", etc.)
21:00:52 <DjAbra> if seeds is many i have full speed
21:01:50 <computerfreaker> are you sure you're downloading a valid torrent? I've heard (don't use torrents myself) that any invalid data you get from a seed could corrupt the whole DL
21:02:41 <DjAbra> i try other torren (other movie)
21:04:09 <computerfreaker> Not to raise too much trouble over this, but are you downloading a legal torrent? I've heard (once again, this is through the grapevine) that sometimes music/video companies will deliberately crash illegal torrents, usually by providing a "seed" with bad data
21:07:47 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: while DjAbra's checking his torrent issue, maybe we could keep talking about 7-Zip? I really want to get clearance/denied clearance ASAP, since I'm running out of time to make a major design change (changing the compression/decompression app would count as major) :S
21:08:24 <DjAbra> its no torrent file
21:08:51 <DjAbra> on regular PC client (not portable) dl is fine
21:09:10 <computerfreaker> weird. Is the download location the same?
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21:10:27 <DjAbra> if i must on any computer set destination folder utorrent portable is sucks
21:11:29 <computerfreaker> settle down... :) I think uTorrent remembers the destination folder, you just have to set it when your drive config changes (i.e. you move from a computer where your flash drive is D:\ to a computer where your flash drive is F:\)
21:12:57 <DjAbra> i hope i dont need do that
21:14:55 <DjAbra> but sprange *.torrent save correct to relavity destination ..\..\Data\torrent
21:15:04 <DjAbra> strange
21:17:11 <DjAbra> i think i found bug
21:17:59 <DjAbra> some one who made utorrent portable make dl folder "read only"
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21:31:13 <DjAbra> some one should remake utorrent portable. standard "downloads" folder is "read only"
21:33:06 <SteveLamerton> DjAbra: The easiest way to bring this to the attention of the utorrent developer is to post it on the forum
21:33:51 <DjAbra> they make portable instlation for PortableApps.com??
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