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01:37:07 <TimClark> Hello, anyone familiar with AHK [AutoHotKey] and/or AutoIt ?
01:39:20 <SergentSiler> ive done a little AHK
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01:40:33 <TimClark> AutoIt is the one that has the problems with all the FPs [False Positives] right SergentSiler ?
01:40:44 <SergentSiler> not sure :/
01:41:36 <TimClark> I recall John saying something about avoiding it, but can't find it in search
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02:31:49 <pa_1260> can portable apps be loaded to an iPhone?
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02:34:27 <ZachThibeau> it can be stored on an iphone but not used in the IPhone OS
02:35:44 <pa_1260> Thanks
02:35:57 <ZachThibeau> no problems
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05:03:10 <Chazz> Evening JohnTHaller
05:03:15 <JohnTHaller> Help translate the PortableApps.com Installer for release tomorrow: http://portableapps.com/node/21517
05:03:25 <JohnTHaller> Howdy. Just popping in quick before bed. Conference call in the AM.
05:03:30 <ChrisMorgan> I'll translate it... to English :P
05:03:32 <Chazz> Ah
05:03:36 <ChrisMorgan> Hello :-)
05:03:43 <Chazz> :o Release /tomorrow/? :D
05:04:11 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz: stop acting surprised... we've had releases on schedule before...
05:04:20 <ChrisMorgan> I can't quite remember when, but never mind about that ;-)
05:04:28 <Chazz> lol
05:04:50 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: the real problem is in languages where plurals vary...
05:05:32 <ChrisMorgan> Also in your block link you've missed the opening " on the href
05:05:35 <JohnTHaller> I know. Which is why we'll just go with the singular for now. It's the way inetc plugin is coded
05:05:48 <ChrisMorgan> So in Firefox at least it then treats the end one as part of the URL
05:05:54 <JohnTHaller> oops fixed thanks
05:06:05 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
05:06:13 <JohnTHaller> I was debating skipping that, but if we can get em translated, we'll just do it.
05:06:24 <ChrisMorgan> skipping what?
05:06:29 <ChrisMorgan> Any plurality?
05:06:33 <JohnTHaller> translating the inetc stuff
05:06:42 <ChrisMorgan> ok
05:06:51 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, if we can, it's neatest to do it.
05:07:03 <ChrisMorgan> When're we going with NSIS Unicode?
05:07:30 <JohnTHaller> We can'
05:07:33 <JohnTHaller> t for a while
05:07:37 <JohnTHaller> none of the plugins work. at all
05:07:43 <ChrisMorgan> It occurred to me also that we could localize the launchers relative to the platform quite easily
05:07:48 <JohnTHaller> we need to recompile em all
05:08:05 <ChrisMorgan> I could take a look at their code and figure out any A functions which need updating to W
05:08:05 <JohnTHaller> we will. check the oo.o portable launcher, it already does that
05:08:09 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, OK
05:08:25 <ChrisMorgan> By which I mean the NSIS LangStrings, not the program of course
05:09:24 <JohnTHaller> I'm trying to come up with a string for when we're deleting files from the existing app install on upgrades.. but making it sound less scary. Mozilla uses "A little housekeeping...". I was thinkning "Preparing ${PORTABLEAPPNAME} for upgrade..."
05:09:29 <JohnTHaller> or is that too techie?
05:09:49 <JohnTHaller> Or I could just keep the whole thing as "Installing PORTABLEAPPNAME..."
05:10:02 <ChrisMorgan> Preparing for upgrade sounds good
05:10:14 <ChrisMorgan> And then just DetailsPrint list while actually doing it?
05:10:38 <JohnTHaller> (for the confused, the 1.0 installer will only list a status of "Installing PORTABLEAPPNAME..." during install. But if you click Show Details, it will show all the details)
05:11:13 <JohnTHaller> Maybe "Cleaning up existing installation..."
05:12:05 <Chazz> "Tidying up ${PORTABLEAPPNAME} ..." maybe?
05:12:07 <JohnTHaller> Anybody?
05:12:08 <ChrisMorgan> Nah, sounds as though it's deleting it.
05:12:17 <ChrisMorgan> Which it is, but the user doesn't need to know that.
05:12:27 <JohnTHaller> Maybe keeping the whole thing as "Installing..." would be best
05:12:30 <ChrisMorgan> Preparing ${PORTABLEAPPNAME} upgrade...
05:12:40 <JohnTHaller> It's least scary, I think
05:13:47 <ChrisMorgan> Initialising upgrade?
05:14:30 <JohnTHaller> Nah, it takes too long to call it an intialization, specially with OO.o
05:14:36 <Chazz> Wee! Upgrading ${PORTABLEAPPNAME}!
05:15:46 <JohnTHaller> "Preparing to upgrade ${PORTABLEAPPNAME}..."?
05:16:07 <Chazz> That sounds good.
05:16:13 <Scriptdaemon> I like the preparding the upgrade one.
05:16:16 <Chazz> Might be a bit long w/ OO.o though.
05:16:17 <Scriptdaemon> preparing*
05:17:14 <JohnTHaller> "Preparing to upgrade ${PORTABLEAPPNAME}..." or "Preparing ${PORTABLEAPPNAME} for upgrade..."
05:17:23 <ChrisMorgan> to upgrade
05:19:24 <JohnTHaller> Since it may take a minute and the progress bar won't move much... maybe we should say that. "Preparing to upgrade ${PORTABLEAPPNAME}. This may take a minute..."
05:19:59 <ChrisMorgan> Too long to fit in the Window in most cases.
05:20:18 <ChrisMorgan> And why won't it move? Are we using that RealProgress plugin?
05:20:44 <JohnTHaller> No, not in the installer. It's only a few apps that it won't move much initially.
05:21:46 <ChrisMorgan> Then it should advance, shouldn't it?
05:22:15 <ChrisMorgan> My understanding of the default behaviour was that it went up one bit per instruction or something more or less like that.
05:22:42 <ChrisMorgan> Which would be why with some small apps the last 30% is checking for the Platform.
05:25:28 <JohnTHaller> yeah. but deleting all those files is a single command.
05:42:04 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah.
05:59:25 <JohnTHaller> alright, crashing... conference call early. gnight all
05:59:36 <Chazz> night JohnTHaller
05:59:47 <ChrisMorgan> Sleep well
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07:31:31 <pa_4779> a question for vatts
07:32:18 <pa_4779> may i get help on mozilla
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10:10:16 <Guest93898> Hi, could i have question about the licenses of Portable application sfrom PortableApps?
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15:25:28 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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15:27:46 <SteveLamerton> Has everyone seen: "* Help translate the PortableApps.com Installer for release today *"
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15:33:01 <AppGuy> quick question: how qould i recover my password for my irc account?
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15:54:02 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
15:54:16 <SteveLamerton> Hi Zach :)
15:54:28 <ZachThibeau> I've finally broke free of wxmediactrl
15:54:36 <ZachThibeau> I"m using SDL as my backend
15:54:44 <ZachThibeau> so far works marvelously :)
15:55:54 <SteveLamerton> Awesome :)
15:56:15 <ZachThibeau> all I have left to do is code some more controls for playback add a progress bar and volume control and I will be ready for an alpha release for functionality then alpha 2 for playlist functionality too
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15:58:03 <KookyMan> Gizmo
15:58:12 <Gizmokid2005> Hello KookyMan
15:58:26 <KookyMan> Hey Giz.. Did I ask you my LVM Question that I've had for awhile?
15:58:39 <Gizmokid2005> Ummm...maybe?
15:59:23 <KookyMan> I have a F11 installation. If I wipe it and do a fresh F12 (Fedora), will my LVMs that are on other disks remain intact, or will I have to plan/special consideration to ensure they survive the reinstall?
15:59:56 <Gizmokid2005> Hmm, I can't say for sure, I don't run Fedora, but, being on another disk, the VM's should remain intact, as long as all the settings are on that drive as well, what app do you use?
16:00:52 <KookyMan> Not VMs, LVMs, Logical Volumes
16:02:05 <KookyMan> Fedora defaults to putting creating all LVMs (Except /boot)...
16:02:53 <Gizmokid2005> ooh
16:03:01 <Gizmokid2005> hmmm, can't say for sure then.
16:05:07 <KookyMan> See, its like noone can
16:05:23 <KookyMan> I'm starting to think noone knows really how LVMs work
16:07:45 <Gizmokid2005> Lol, it's one reason I don't use linux :)
16:07:46 <Gizmokid2005> I don't know.
16:07:49 <Gizmokid2005> so I use windows.
16:14:22 <KookyMan> hahahah
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16:22:43 <KookyMan> LVMs are the Linux Equivlent of Windows Dynamic Disks
16:23:20 <sar3th> i simply use traditional partitioning system instead
16:25:13 <KookyMan> yea.. I'm... thinking I should be doing that
16:25:44 <KookyMan> LVM has its advantages, however based on what I'm reading, my inteded needs may not actually be being served by my current config.
16:36:22 <KookyMan> So any rumors on the final of PA2?
16:37:25 <SteveLamerton> Given the banner says "* Help translate the PortableApps.com Installer for release today *" I would imagine fairly soon...
16:38:14 <Gizmokid2005> Yesterday john said next week...
16:38:19 <Gizmokid2005> but he also said today for 1.6
16:38:30 <sar3th> don't forget that the installer is not the platform
16:38:37 <Gizmokid2005> exactly.
16:39:03 <Gizmokid2005> KookyMan, SteveLamerton: see here: http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2009-11-17#T20-15-30
16:39:49 <SteveLamerton> Fair enough, the banner is new today though ;)
16:40:03 <SteveLamerton> And the installer is a clear prerequisit for the platform
16:40:33 <Gizmokid2005> yep :)
16:40:36 <sar3th> yep.)
16:40:37 <Gizmokid2005> I saw that banner this morning.
16:40:38 <sar3th> *:)
16:42:02 <SteveLamerton> Annoyingly I'll have to update the toucan installer again before we can go for 2.2.1 ;)
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18:05:02 <SteveLamerton> Hello everyone :)
18:06:33 <ZachThibeau> howdy Steve
18:06:44 <ZachThibeau> I created a bug in my own media engine xD
18:06:46 <MaienM> hello SteveLamerton
18:06:53 <ZachThibeau> one I didn't want D:
18:07:08 <SteveLamerton> Hi Zach, MaienM
18:07:09 <MaienM> is there such a thing as a bug you do want? :P
18:07:14 <Gizmokid2005> welcome back SteveLamerton
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18:07:31 <SteveLamerton> Thanks Gizmokid2005
18:08:14 <ZachThibeau> MaienM: yeah one that causes stuff to work properly :P
18:08:23 <MaienM> thats not a bug :P
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18:09:01 <ZachThibeau> MaienM: sure it can just call it a feature :P
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19:08:41 <SteveLamerton> Toucan 2.2.1 Pre-Release 2 now up, http://portableapps.com/node/21433
19:09:14 <Gizmokid2005> YAY SteveLamerton!
19:09:39 <SteveLamerton> :) Now I can get back to the more exciting work on 3.0 ;)
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19:43:18 <SteveLamerton> Gizmokid2005: Upgrading?
19:43:55 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: no, there were a few stray python processes from GizmoBot from the netsplits overnight I wanted to clear out. Wanted to make sure I didn't inadvertenly take him out in the process.
19:44:10 <SteveLamerton> Ahhhh ok :)
19:44:26 <Gizmokid2005> Yep, but he's pretty behaved otherwise. Stupid netsplits.
19:51:55 <SteveLamerton> I wish I had moved this thread when it was little to off topic: http://portableapps.com/node/21444 Too late now
20:00:03 <ZachThibeau> yay I fixed my playback issue :D
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20:32:20 <TimClark> SteveLamerton: are you active?
20:32:33 <SteveLamerton> I seem to be here ;)
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21:15:56 <SteveLamerton> Hello ChrisMorgan
21:16:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hey SteveLamerton\
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