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01:42:51 <hsnopi> anyone home?
01:43:15 <hsnopi> i have a stupid ass quyestion. I install PA on the jump drive, correct?
01:43:28 <OliverK> sure
01:43:52 <hsnopi> ok
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02:35:10 <n8chavez> hello all
02:36:47 <Chazz> hello n8chavez
02:36:55 <n8chavez> is the geek menu fork still being developed?
02:39:56 <Chazz> no
02:40:47 <n8chavez> really?
02:40:49 <n8chavez> bummer
02:41:03 <n8chavez> are there any other forks being developed?
02:41:39 <Chazz> There's the R something fork
02:41:47 <Chazz> But I can't remember the name precisely.
02:41:57 <Chazz> And I'm not 100% sure it's still being developed
02:42:07 <n8chavez> hmmm....
02:42:11 <n8chavez> no name
02:42:13 <n8chavez> I'll look
02:44:59 <n8chavez> there is LiberKey
02:51:27 <n8chavez> thank you for your help
02:52:06 <OliverK> i think the dev of the geekmenu recently picked it back up
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02:52:25 <OliverK> but i'm not sure how active the development is
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02:53:01 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
02:54:25 <n8chavez> really
02:54:29 <n8chavez> that's good news
02:54:42 <n8chavez> I hope so bevause I have everything set up perfectly
02:54:58 <OliverK> then why update? :p
02:55:12 <OliverK> if it all works exactly as you want, then why worry about it
02:55:16 <n8chavez> dunno
02:55:21 <n8chavez> because I can
02:55:23 <OliverK> :D
02:55:40 <n8chavez> and I was curious
02:55:44 <ChrisMorgan> n8chavez: LiberKey is a bad site.
02:55:46 <OliverK> goood enough
02:55:46 <OliverK> i'm not trying to tell you no, or yes
02:55:49 <ChrisMorgan> They steal things of ours.
02:55:50 <OliverK> that also, is a good reason
02:56:01 <ChrisMorgan> And as far as their menu goes, it's an open source product called ASuite
02:56:02 <n8chavez> really
02:56:08 <ChrisMorgan> Yep.
02:56:09 <n8chavez> bad as in malware?
02:56:16 <ChrisMorgan> No, bad as in evil :-)
02:56:27 <n8chavez> oh...ok
02:56:33 <ChrisMorgan> They go stealing our things, violating trademarks, redistributing things without permission sometimes
02:56:49 <ChrisMorgan> Though they haven't stolen anything of ours for a while... that bit's mainly historical.
02:57:03 <n8chavez> I use my 16 titanium cruzer all the time. I use it when I work on people's systems
02:57:15 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK: geek.menu is completely dead as far as I know.
02:57:21 <OliverK> ChrisMorgan: bah
02:57:30 <n8chavez> so I need a reliable "OS"
02:57:33 <n8chavez> damn
02:57:47 <OliverK> operating system?
02:57:55 <OliverK> all the menu does is launch the programs
02:57:59 <n8chavez> no.....
02:58:09 <n8chavez> notice the quotes
02:58:16 <n8chavez> launcher sounded dumb
02:58:20 <OliverK> you could double click on the AppPortable.exe and still have everything work
02:59:02 <n8chavez> yes, to be be frank I don't like it. Geek menu offered a lot more functionality up front
02:59:03 <ChrisMorgan> That's all any of the platforms actually do.
02:59:06 <OliverK> ChrisMorgan: update on 10-17-2009
02:59:14 <ChrisMorgan> hmm...
02:59:17 <OliverK> its not dead
02:59:33 <OliverK> http://sourceforge.net/projects/geek-menu/files/
03:01:01 <n8chavez> nice
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04:18:54 <pa_4040> Familiar with teamviewer ?
04:18:59 <Chazz> Yup.
04:19:40 <pa_4040> awesome. Do I ned to have it running on a second computer running through a router ?
04:19:50 <ChrisMorgan> pa_4040: you shouldn't need to
04:19:57 <ChrisMorgan> The connection is made through their servers.
04:21:49 <pa_4040> Hmm I just installed it on my flash drive on this computer and enabled accetp incoming LAN connections but after that I AM lost..
04:22:58 <pa_4040> need to enter an ID I geuss, do I use the ip ?.
04:23:12 <ChrisMorgan> No, you're automatically assigned one.
04:23:28 <ChrisMorgan> You need the ID of the person you want to connect with... or give them yours
04:24:51 <pa_4040> okay so I go to my other computer and use this ID where? in teamviewer ? which means both computer have to have it..
04:26:07 <ChrisMorgan> They will have different IDs
04:26:17 <ChrisMorgan> Try looking around to find TeamViewer help
04:27:32 <pa_4040> so both computers HAVE to have teamveiwer ?.
04:27:36 <Chazz> Yup
04:27:52 <pa_4040> Lol, That was my second question...
04:28:27 <pa_4040> is 2x client the same type of thing ?..
04:29:58 <pa_4040> because 2x client says it works with ,(Remote Desktop Protocol ), I believe that is built in to Winxp..
04:32:21 <pa_4040> Although I guess I could just fire up netmeeting lol.
04:32:37 <ChrisMorgan> It's supported in NT and on, but it must be enabled (not sure if it is by default)
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04:33:43 <pa_4040> Yeah So, if using teamviewer need it on both, but I can use 2x client on just one with (Remote Desktop Protocol 0 enabled. ?
04:35:11 <ChrisMorgan> But you'd need a direct or VPN connection with it
04:35:43 <pa_4040> I have 4 computer sharing my connection using a 4 port router..?
04:36:16 <pa_4040> that should aloow direct right ?
04:37:36 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
04:37:52 <ChrisMorgan> 2X would be much faster for a local connection than TeamViewer.
04:37:59 <ChrisMorgan> They're meant for quite different scenarios.
04:39:25 <pa_4040> sounds like I need 2x, is this (3-connection free version) mean I can only use it 3 times ?
04:39:40 <ChrisMorgan> No, just only three at once
04:40:05 <pa_4040> 3 comps? lol only need it for one
04:40:19 <ChrisMorgan> Then you're fine :-)
04:40:21 <pa_4040> hey thanks!...
04:40:48 <pa_4040> here's your favorite liquid (on me).....
04:42:00 * pa_4040 loves PortableApps.com)
04:42:11 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
04:42:39 <pa_4040> hehe, have you played that assault cube or mana world ?.
04:42:47 <ChrisMorgan> Neither
04:43:08 <pa_4040> oh. AC isn't bad, fast paced.
04:43:43 <ChrisMorgan> I don't like that sort of game at all
04:44:21 <pa_4040> in a way it reminds me of an old game Unreal 1998 with a mod infiltration, army type and real world type weapons.
04:44:36 <pa_4040> what you like ? puzzle ? mmorpg ?
04:44:48 <pa_4040> none ?
04:45:16 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, I like some games... platform games is mostly it though.
04:47:31 <pa_4040> super mario 64...
04:47:48 <ChrisMorgan> Close to it.
04:47:55 <pa_4040> hehe
04:48:10 <ChrisMorgan> Don't like the mario games though, the controls are awful
04:48:21 <pa_4040> 64 was great...
04:48:58 <pa_4040> okay man thanks for the help, much appreciated..
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05:01:15 <syrius> hi everybody
05:01:52 <Chazz> 'ello syrius
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05:05:43 <syrius> Chazz how are you?
05:06:00 <syrius> the new gui looks all extra dark in wine
05:06:19 <Chazz> Good extra dark or bad extra dark? :P
05:07:10 <syrius> I wish portableapps worked together with wine and made the portableapps work better so they you can use it on mac and linux without having to install a linux, mac, and windows version of the software
05:07:16 <syrius> you could make wine portable
05:07:27 <syrius> so you can use windows software on linux and mac
05:07:51 <Chazz> That would be... an interesting idea...
05:07:53 <ChrisMorgan> syrius: we're working on that with darwine (the Mac version) but WINE and Linux are more complex.
05:08:07 <syrius> okay
05:08:16 <syrius> I talked about this before in this channel
05:08:38 <ChrisMorgan> I probably wasn't there?
05:08:41 <syrius> any linux software can run on any unix like os
05:08:51 <syrius> it was in the past
05:08:52 <ChrisMorgan> That's not true.
05:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> It's /much/ more diverse than that.
05:09:08 <ChrisMorgan> Programs may not even work on different Linux variants.
05:09:37 <syrius> you mean like linux variants as in different kernel setup?
05:10:04 <ChrisMorgan> I mean more just Debian-based, Red Hat-based, etc. things
05:10:18 <syrius> I see
05:10:26 <syrius> well it should work
05:10:46 <ChrisMorgan> That's actually part of the strength of Linux against viruses... they need different codebases to work on different OSes.
05:10:53 <ChrisMorgan> Diversity is good for security
05:11:14 <syrius> well it isn't a different os
05:11:19 <ChrisMorgan> It is.
05:11:21 <syrius> they just use a different setup
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05:11:31 <syrius> they all use linux kernel
05:11:31 <ChrisMorgan> Same(ish) kernel, different OS.
05:11:40 <syrius> the kernel is the os
05:11:51 <ChrisMorgan> To a certain extent.
05:12:41 <syrius> there are many distros that organize their flavor of linux differently
05:13:19 <ChrisMorgan> They do feature quite different things in many cases which change the way lots of core things work.
05:13:43 <syrius> some do so much so that they do a radical change such as using their own standards instead of the posix standard that most linux distros are based off of
05:14:16 <syrius> well I think that was what it was with this one distro
05:14:20 <syrius> forget its name
05:15:00 <syrius> but it would put all the libraries that a program required in its program directory rather than in a separate library folder
05:15:19 <ChrisMorgan> Not aware of any such a one
05:16:36 <syrius> ChrisMorgan so they are thinking about doing this?
05:16:50 <ChrisMorgan> About doing what?
05:17:05 <syrius> why not just get it to work with current mac os x and the most popular linux distros
05:17:11 <syrius> about making Wine portable
05:17:37 <ChrisMorgan> As I said, darwine is in progress but WINE is more complex, not sure yet about it.
05:17:53 <syrius> what is darwine?
05:18:04 <ChrisMorgan> As I said, the Mac version
05:18:12 <syrius> oo I see
05:18:37 <syrius> so you are going to do both then?
05:18:51 <ChrisMorgan> What did I just say?
05:18:56 <syrius> okay
05:19:12 <syrius> why can't you talk about it in more detail
05:19:17 <syrius> or is that all you know?
05:19:26 <ChrisMorgan> Just about, at this stage
05:19:53 <syrius> okay
05:20:00 <syrius> hmm
05:20:09 <syrius> when did you guys get this idea? ChrisMorgan
05:20:15 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure
05:20:22 <syrius> I remember talking about it a year or so ago
05:20:25 <syrius> here
05:20:30 <syrius> or it was 2
05:20:35 <syrius> don't remember when
05:20:40 <ChrisMorgan> Wouldn't have been two.
05:21:11 <ChrisMorgan> Actually it could have been... but I doubt it
05:21:13 <syrius> so portableapps has only been here for one?
05:21:26 <ChrisMorgan> No, it's been around much longer than that.
05:21:36 <syrius> thought so
05:21:48 <syrius> hasn't it been around since 2006
05:21:50 <ChrisMorgan> As PortableApps.com, it's been around for a whisker under 4 years
05:22:02 <ChrisMorgan> This channel has been around since 06
05:22:15 <syrius> okay then
05:22:43 <ChrisMorgan> The works of John T. Haller with portability actually predate U3. At that time it was at johnhaller.com, then it outgrew it and went to PortableApps.com.
05:22:48 <syrius> why do you doubt it ChrisMorgan ?
05:22:58 <ChrisMorgan> Dunno :D
05:24:32 <syrius> I have logs I could get back to you on it ChrisMorgan
05:24:47 <ChrisMorgan> WINE has only gained real solidity and stability in the past year and a half, as I remember it
05:25:12 <syrius> well I currently have been using portable apps with wine over 2 years now
05:25:17 <syrius> it works okay
05:25:30 <syrius> some apps don't work right because of fonts used
05:25:40 <syrius> some of the older versions worked
05:25:47 <ChrisMorgan> Google doesn't reckon it's in the past year and a bit
05:26:00 <syrius> but the people that make them portable change the fonts and it doesn't work now
05:26:08 <syrius> what?
05:26:17 <syrius> about wine?
05:26:24 <ChrisMorgan> No, about you being in
05:26:26 <syrius> wine works good I think
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05:26:43 <syrius> being in what? ChrisMorgan
05:26:50 <ChrisMorgan> In here.
05:27:04 <syrius> I didn't use the nick syrius
05:27:06 <ChrisMorgan> Our logs go back to 10/08, indexed by Google, no results for syrius :D
05:27:07 <syrius> in the past
05:27:11 <ChrisMorgan> Oh. :-(
05:27:18 <ChrisMorgan> Never mind then :D
05:27:32 <syrius> it was rocko
05:27:46 <syrius> it meant have been something else I am not sure
05:27:52 <ChrisMorgan> Still no results :-)
05:28:07 <syrius> I have been using portable apps since 2006 or 07
05:28:28 <syrius> I don't remember the nick I used ChrisMorgan
05:28:42 <ChrisMorgan> It doesn't really matter, you know :P
05:29:01 <syrius> well I would have thought you guys would have it done by now
05:29:18 <ChrisMorgan> We have a lot to do and that's not top priority at all
05:29:26 <syrius> how so?
05:29:44 <syrius> pidgin use to work great
05:29:54 <syrius> until someone changed the fonts
05:30:10 <syrius> it was pidgin or xchat
05:30:15 <syrius> don't remember which
05:30:31 <syrius> it is not the default encoding either
05:30:43 <syrius> used by pidgin if I remember correctly
05:31:14 <syrius> well I well send you screen shots of the problems
05:31:27 <ChrisMorgan> Don't bother, it's not our issue, it's their issue.
05:31:35 <ChrisMorgan> We can't help with problems with the base applications.
05:31:36 <syrius> how so?
05:31:43 <ChrisMorgan> You'll need to contact the Pidgin team about it.
05:31:47 <syrius> no
05:31:54 <syrius> I read about pidgin at your site
05:32:10 <syrius> the developer said he changed the default encoding
05:32:31 <ChrisMorgan> Have you checked it more recently?
05:32:41 <syrius> no
05:32:45 <syrius> it was old release
05:32:49 <syrius> let me check now
05:32:53 <ChrisMorgan> I doubt that we'd do anything like that now
05:33:29 <syrius> I love portableapps
05:33:38 <syrius> nice work ChrisMorgan and everybody else
05:33:39 <ChrisMorgan> Of course you do ;-)
05:33:43 <syrius> :)
05:34:00 <syrius> well I don't want to sound like a winer hehehe
05:34:03 <syrius> get it wine
05:34:05 <syrius> winer
05:34:11 <ChrisMorgan> :/
05:34:23 <ChrisMorgan> It's bad form to explain a joke...
05:34:32 <syrius> okay
05:34:34 <syrius> :(
05:34:37 <ChrisMorgan> :D
05:35:05 <syrius> what color was the original portable menu
05:35:09 <syrius> it was red something
05:35:14 <ChrisMorgan> It's always been red.
05:35:25 <ChrisMorgan> Since 1.5, it's got darker/shinier
05:35:27 <syrius> well I am talking about the hue
05:35:47 <syrius> the current huge it is messed up looking in wine
05:36:03 <ChrisMorgan> Shouldn't be. It's designed to work perfectly in WINE.
05:36:03 <syrius> the first one I used it looked the same in wine and on windows
05:36:18 <syrius> you guys work with wine then?
05:36:24 <ChrisMorgan> WINE can't handle the transparency so it gets square corners rather than round
05:36:29 <ChrisMorgan> There's a special check for it.
05:36:47 <ChrisMorgan> I can't say I do, but John has.
05:37:02 <syrius> check for it?
05:37:04 <syrius> where?
05:37:12 <ChrisMorgan> Dunno
05:37:18 <ChrisMorgan> Somehow though.
05:38:20 <syrius> here is what I am talking about http://www.filedump.net/dumped/screenshotportableappscomplatform1258609192.png
05:38:47 <ChrisMorgan> Using 1.5.2?
05:38:49 <syrius> see how the icons are extra dark
05:38:56 <syrius> it's current
05:39:05 <ChrisMorgan> I was looking more at the corners
05:39:09 <ChrisMorgan> I think that that's a WINE issue.
05:39:19 <syrius> I downloaded the menu a few days ago
05:39:19 <ChrisMorgan> Is it a recent version of WINE then?
05:39:24 <syrius> how can it be?
05:39:37 <syrius> the older menu worked fine
05:39:47 <syrius> wine is probably not current
05:39:53 <syrius> you know how distros can be
05:40:03 <syrius> they usually are a little behind
05:40:22 <ChrisMorgan> The newer one doesn't load the icons from the executable, it loads them from a PNG file, which speeds it up and increases some compatibility.
05:40:24 <ZachThibeau> yeah the old platform used bmp's for transparencies 1.5.2 and later beta's use transparent png files
05:40:43 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: 1.5.2 still uses BMP AFAIK
05:40:55 <ChrisMorgan> Note the magenta corners too, a sign of BMP
05:40:57 <ZachThibeau> it's been a while since I used 1.5.2 really
05:41:14 <ChrisMorgan> And I've used it once only, for helping someone in here.
05:41:52 <ZachThibeau> I've been using the 2.0 beta 3 release atm which is working fully in wine without the transparency issues afaik
05:41:57 <syrius> you use the beta releases ZachThibeau ?
05:42:06 <ZachThibeau> syrius: all the time :)
05:42:10 <syrius> I see
05:42:30 <ChrisMorgan> The betas are practically always stable
05:42:30 <syrius> I have question about the app commpressor thingly tool
05:42:34 <syrius> is it hard to use?
05:42:34 <ZachThibeau> the only way beta's become stable is if someone tests it :P
05:42:47 <ZachThibeau> and Chris is right it's very stable
05:42:49 <syrius> like if I have complied apps for linux before
05:42:58 <syrius> is it harder than compiling apps
05:43:06 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely not.
05:43:11 <syrius> okay
05:43:13 <ChrisMorgan> Just give it the directory, it takes care of the rest.
05:43:41 <syrius> so it has settings that are recommended by you guys?
05:43:57 <ZachThibeau> just the default one it comes up with
05:43:57 <ChrisMorgan> The default (NRV2E) is good.
05:44:07 <syrius> so using the updater in the portables doesn't mess up the compress right?
05:44:09 <ChrisMorgan> You can use BRUTE but it'
05:44:16 <ChrisMorgan> s more likely to wreck things
05:44:28 <ZachThibeau> it will throw false positives too with virus scanners too
05:44:40 <syrius> yes I know about that
05:44:42 <ZachThibeau> not all but a good deal
05:44:43 <ChrisMorgan> It can do, yes
05:44:46 <syrius> I read that on your site
05:44:53 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
05:45:03 <ZachThibeau> good man :)
05:45:09 <syrius> well I am not a noob
05:45:18 <syrius> I don't really use antivirus software
05:45:22 <ChrisMorgan> Very few will...
05:45:26 <syrius> if you know what you are doing you don't need it
05:45:33 <ZachThibeau> well I don't use virus scanners at all either
05:45:37 <syrius> just keep your software up to date
05:45:45 <ChrisMorgan> Nor do I... I'm too lazy :P
05:45:48 <ZachThibeau> sad to say last virus I had I found before my scanner found it xD
05:46:00 <syrius> I see
05:46:22 <ChrisMorgan> We've had viruses at home twice... and they both came from getting disks checked (damaged) at a computer store :/
05:46:22 <syrius> well I do have special tools to remove bad viruses that most anti viruses don't remove
05:46:32 <syrius> vundofix it is a great tool
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05:47:06 <syrius> I use clamwin once in a while
05:47:41 <syrius> I only really do stuff like that when I download software from p2p
05:48:10 <syrius> if I have to from p2p I use bt for sites that have a verification by its users
05:48:26 <syrius> so that if it is a virus it will get removed soon
05:49:09 <syrius> most users can viruses from using gnutella network
05:49:13 <syrius> get*
05:49:39 <ZachThibeau> one of the many reasons I don't use the gnutella network
05:50:01 <syrius> well you don't get it from just using it
05:50:06 <syrius> as far as I know
05:50:10 <ZachThibeau> I'm more of a bittorrent guy (downloading linux iso's etc)
05:50:30 <syrius> you just have to be more cautious
05:50:54 <syrius> yes of course linux iso's and old software you can't find any more :P
05:51:39 <syrius> well I dislike antivirus software because it is really slow
05:51:51 <syrius> slows done the pc
05:51:55 <syrius> down
05:52:07 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. None are noted for speeding up computers (unless they're infected)
05:52:35 <syrius> well infected pcs tend to be slower than non infected
05:52:45 <ZachThibeau> norton I find is great for detection but horrible performance
05:53:07 <syrius> due to the fact they are usually used as slaves to spam people or as a server for some service
05:53:24 <syrius> I hate norton
05:53:28 <syrius> well in the past
05:53:36 <syrius> not sure if it has gotten better
05:53:45 <syrius> this is norton from like 06
05:53:50 <syrius> it was really annoying
05:53:54 <ZachThibeau> I wouldn't use it on my system, but my parents computer had norton 09
05:53:56 <syrius> hard to remove too
05:54:06 <ChrisMorgan> I currently dislike Norton because they recently broke BPBible :-)
05:54:19 <syrius> what is that?
05:54:24 <ZachThibeau> syrius: nothing like a reformat can't fix :P
05:54:42 <ChrisMorgan> http://bpbible.com (or http://portableapps.com/bpbibleportable)
05:54:58 <syrius> yeah
05:55:07 <syrius> well I could have done that with this one virus
05:55:24 <syrius> it was in the past when I was an inexperienced user
05:55:26 <syrius> a noob
05:55:53 <syrius> but I continued to look for anti virus software solutions to solve my problem
05:56:04 <syrius> I found my free ones
05:56:08 <ZachThibeau> anyways time for me to continue coding my media player application
05:56:08 <syrius> but none worked
05:56:29 <syrius> after countless times of searching
05:56:35 <syrius> wikipedia was my hero
05:56:44 <syrius> it told me about vundofix
05:56:47 <syrius> I used it
05:56:52 <syrius> then it fixed it
05:56:59 <syrius> my computer was as good as new
05:57:01 <syrius> :)
05:57:36 <syrius> that is another reason why I dislike anti virus software
05:57:49 <syrius> they only cover their own interests
05:58:01 <ChrisMorgan> ... which is their customers
05:58:15 <syrius> if a software program they don't like they will label it has a virus or malware
05:58:27 <ChrisMorgan> If it is.
05:58:48 <syrius> or they won't support the getting rid of certain viruses
05:59:00 <syrius> winfixer was the virus I had
05:59:14 <syrius> it destroyed some peoples pcs
05:59:25 <syrius> but I was able to fix the problem with a little research
06:00:17 <syrius> I use the systernals suite and some other tools such as hijackthis, vundofix.... when my computer acts up and is doing weird things
06:00:40 <syrius> but I haven't used that in a long time
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06:30:55 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Hey... I just looked at http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aportableapps.com+wine and just look at those links it gives... breadcrumbs!
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15:42:44 <Flametail> hello?
15:42:53 * Flametail has a request
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15:43:43 <Flametail> hello twinkletoes
15:44:27 <sar3th> hello Flametail, what's your request?
15:45:07 <Flametail> that you post a warning on all of your web pages related to any secure deletion software
15:45:33 <Flametail> when you securly delete something, you dont get the space back
15:45:52 <Flametail> so after a while of deleting, your drive will become full
15:47:43 <ZachThibeau> have you tried emptying the trash in windows? sometimes it will create a local trashbin on the flash drive so when you delete it from there it's still there until you empty the trash on the desktop
15:48:19 <ZachThibeau> now I say sometimes as that isn't always the case
15:48:52 <Flametail> ... i was talking about things like eraser portable
15:49:55 <Flametail> they fill in the space created by deleting the file making recovering the file impossible
15:49:56 <ZachThibeau> I realize that, but also realize that sometimes windows does what it does as I said
15:50:31 <sar3th> Flametail: no, that's not how they work
15:50:42 <sar3th> Flametail: they overwrite the space from the file you want to delete
15:50:51 <sar3th> then they mark that space as free
15:51:02 <Flametail> the space still doesnt get freed up
15:51:11 <sar3th> yes it is
15:51:19 <Flametail> ive tried, i had to reformat to get my space back
15:51:20 <sar3th> how do you think windows frees up space?
15:51:29 <sar3th> it's marked as free
15:51:29 <Flametail> not securely
15:51:56 <sar3th> windows just removed the links that point to your file, thus marking the space as free
15:52:02 <Flametail> secure deleters like eraser portable overwrite the space
15:52:12 <sar3th> the undelete tools overwrite the space BEFORE marking it as free
15:52:39 <sar3th> if they don't, they have an error in their function, and i checked eraser portable before, it does free up space
15:53:27 <sar3th> at least, i couldn't get it to not free up the space
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15:55:09 <Flametail> test it by making a very large file(something you can notice) check free space, delete the file with eraser portable or eraserdrop portable, then check free space again and see if there is a difference
15:55:29 <sar3th> okay, i will check it again for you, just a second
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16:00:57 <sar3th> Flametail: i tested EraserDrop Portable
16:01:07 <sar3th> it worked as i expected
16:07:59 <Flametail> never does for me, wonder what im doing wrong
16:08:19 <sar3th> dunno :(
16:08:50 <sar3th> but we had someone else complaining about a similar problem before..which operating system do you use Flametail?
16:09:28 <Flametail> WinXP, WinVista, Win7(lotta computers)
16:10:13 <sar3th> hm :/
16:10:19 <sar3th> i tested it with xp
16:10:56 <Flametail> I last used XP
16:11:11 <Flametail> but i used all my comps to be sure
16:12:48 <sar3th> hm...what's your target drive? usb-thumbdrive?
16:12:55 <Flametail> yes
16:13:05 <Flametail> did you test with USB drive?
16:13:33 <Flametail> there may just be something with flash drives i dunno
16:13:59 <Flametail> but i own a lot so its not one particular brand
16:15:01 <sar3th> okay..i tested it with a ramdisk since i didn't have a usb-stick here, but now i found one, i'll try it again
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16:45:59 <Flametail> hows the testing going?
16:47:25 <Flametail> brb
16:47:26 <sar3th> still copying, my flashdrive is slow..
16:47:53 <Flametail> wow, that slow? must be from when flash drives first came out
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16:56:12 <Flametail> ok, im back
16:56:21 <sar3th> dunno why, it's not really old but somehow, windows needs a lot of time for copying
16:58:44 <sar3th> okay, wipe running
16:59:54 <Flametail> K
17:02:44 <sar3th> 40% wiped..
17:06:48 <Flametail> k
17:10:14 <sar3th> wipe done
17:10:22 <sar3th> free space is exactly the same as before
17:10:35 <Flametail> hmm, wonder whats wrong with mine then
17:10:57 <sar3th> yeah, strange :/
17:11:14 <sar3th> might be good to post that issue on the website
17:11:35 <Flametail> maybe
17:12:13 <Flametail> ill go do that then
17:12:16 <Flametail> cya
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17:35:21 <pa_2111> hello
17:35:52 <sar3th> hello pa_2111
17:36:01 <pa_2111> does anyone know how to change the colour of the portable aps menu?
17:36:32 <pa_2111> does anyone know??
17:36:37 <pa_2111> hello?????
17:36:38 <sar3th> which version of the menu are you using?
17:36:58 <pa_2111> the latest one on the website
17:37:17 <sar3th> okay, give me a minute
17:37:22 <pa_2111> v 1.5.2
17:37:31 <pa_2111> ps v1.5.2
17:38:20 <pa_2111> sure
17:38:24 <sar3th> pa_2111: the current menu doesn't support themes :(
17:38:33 <sar3th> so you cannot change the colour of it
17:38:59 <pa_2111> my friend changed his.
17:39:28 <pa_2111> hello
17:39:33 <sar3th> then he used another menu, probably one which looks similar to the portableapps menu
17:40:04 <pa_2111> he said he was using portable apps (pa)
17:40:13 <pa_2111> and i checked the logo
17:40:17 <sar3th> then he was using the beta
17:40:26 <pa_2111> can i get it?
17:40:40 <sar3th> pa_2111: sure, it's here: http://portableapps.com/node/20013
17:40:51 <pa_2111> thanks
17:40:54 <sar3th> but as always, be careful about beta software, it might contain bugs
17:41:00 <pa_2111> 1sec im checking it
17:41:47 <pa_2111> where do i download the beta?
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17:42:37 <sar3th> right where it says "DOWNLOAD PORTABLEAPPS.COM PLATFORM 2.0 BETA 3"
17:42:39 <sar3th> >_<
17:42:39 <sar3th> fail
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18:12:19 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
18:13:34 <vatts> mmfail.co.cc?
18:13:37 <vatts> .def
18:13:37 <GizmoBot> vatts is from Portableapps.com forums, likes linux much more than anyone else on planet Earth, has no site yet and has 4gbs of portableapps software. he programs now from 128mb USB key which has PythonPortable 2.6 installed.
18:14:39 <sar3th> vatts: what are you developing with PortablePython 2.6?
18:14:52 <vatts> sar3th, hmm
18:14:59 <vatts> sar3th, programs you'd not call programs... :p
18:15:29 <sar3th> i call everything program which has a pe stub and ends with .exe :P
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18:16:03 <cool> hi
18:16:09 <Gizmokid2005> Hello cool, how can we help you?
18:16:55 <cool> i want to put portableapps suite in my usb drive
18:17:07 <vatts> o_O
18:17:14 * vatts downloads packadge and installs it
18:17:17 <vatts> ^^
18:17:18 <vatts> btw
18:18:02 <vatts> is PA the best portable software?
18:18:08 <cool> so after downloading do i need to install it on my pc or usb drive
18:18:15 <vatts> yep
18:18:27 <Gizmokid2005> cool: your USB drive.
18:20:32 <cool> what about the download file
18:20:49 <cool> do i need to put it on my pc hard drive or usb drive
18:21:11 <Gizmokid2005> cool: typically you'd want to download to the local PC and install to the USB drive.
18:21:17 <vatts> ^^
18:21:27 <Gizmokid2005> otherwise you'd put undue stress on your flash drive with it reading AND writing to it.
18:21:31 <Gizmokid2005> at the same time
18:21:32 <vatts> or, you can put PA on your HDD, if you want. then you can copypaste it to usb stick or whatever ;)
18:21:50 <vatts> Gizmokid2005, is PA software teh best portable software i can find?
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18:23:31 <Gizmokid2005> vatts: pretty much yes.
18:23:37 <Gizmokid2005> it's the most legal for sure.
18:24:33 <vatts> Gizmokid2005, there are any else?
18:25:01 <vatts> :o
18:25:14 <Gizmokid2005> vatts: more/less...there are a few others out there, but they are typically breaking some type of law/licensing/trademark.
18:25:19 <cool> thanks a lot vatts
18:27:13 <vatts> ty Gizmokid2005, cool: np
18:28:33 <cool> thanks gizmokid2005 as well
18:30:05 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome cool
18:31:25 <vatts> Aye, das troutez. That had to hurt.
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19:32:49 <Flashoffliner> hello?
19:32:58 <Gizmokid2005> Hello Flashoffliner
19:33:01 <Gizmokid2005> what can we do for you?
19:33:32 <Flashoffliner> is it possible to have a portable app thrown together real quick for me? or are you busy?
19:33:50 <Flashoffliner> the program in question is freeware
19:34:12 <Gizmokid2005> it's not quite that easy Flashoffliner
19:34:13 <Gizmokid2005> what app?
19:34:29 <Flashoffliner> my namesake, Flash Offliner
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19:34:41 <Flashoffliner> http://rs478.rapidshare.com/files/270572334/FlashOffliner_v1.0.zip
19:34:56 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
19:35:00 <Flashoffliner> hello
19:35:10 <Gizmokid2005> Flashoffliner: there's really no way to make that portable
19:35:15 <Gizmokid2005> as it doesn't include flash from what I can tell
19:35:18 <Gizmokid2005> and flash is required for it.
19:36:57 <Flashoffliner> http://www.mystercrowley.com/flashoffliner.php
19:38:19 <Flashoffliner> can you throw together a luancher?
19:38:32 <Flashoffliner> i think ive had that done before?
19:38:42 <Ben|Adium> like we said… it isnt that easy
19:38:48 <Ben|Adium> especially since it requires flash
19:38:53 <Ben|Adium> which is a separate thing
19:39:20 <Gizmokid2005> we can't just throw one together Flashoffliner, your best bet is to post in the request apps forum.
19:40:28 <Flashoffliner> anyone remember a project involving password protected lock?
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21:16:36 <sar3th> RELEASE: Sublime Text 1.22 Development Test 1 [Launcher Only]: http://portableapps.com/node/21544
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21:23:08 * Guest81268 has a question regarding your IRC
21:23:46 <Gizmokid2005> ask away Guest81268
21:24:01 <Guest81268> where did you get your logbot& do you think it is compatitble with rizon.net channels?
21:24:19 <Gizmokid2005> Guest81268: there are a few logbots out there
21:24:22 <Gizmokid2005> palogbot: help
21:24:22 <palogbot> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=
21:24:29 <Gizmokid2005> there's the source for the logbot
21:24:36 <Gizmokid2005> and afaik, Rizon's ToS disallow bots.
21:25:25 <Guest81268> really? they have quite a lot of annoying ones....
21:25:50 <Gizmokid2005> Guest81268: they can host them, they are rizon, like Internets, those are THEIR bots...but look at the ToS, bots aren't allowed on the network iirc.
21:26:37 <Guest81268> hmm, hey, why is a bot named after you?
21:27:20 <Gizmokid2005> because GizmoBot is my bot.
21:28:17 <Guest81268> ok
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22:10:06 <rcmaehl> How much longer till PAP 2.0 is released?
22:14:18 <MaienM> haven't you been around for long enough now to know better than to ask that?
22:14:26 <MaienM> it will be released when its done
22:15:07 <MaienM> when that'll be is unknown to all of us
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23:12:20 <sar3th> BUGFIX RELEASE: Sublime Text Portable Development Test 2: http://portableapps.com/node/21544
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23:23:37 <Gizmokid2005> UPDATED: Songbird Portable 1.4 Beta 3 Pre-Release2: http://portableapps.com/node/20886
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