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00:13:26 <Reddy> Hi, I've a question: can I distribute portable applications already extracted? I need it because my site is for blinds and all people with vision problem.
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02:40:22 <pa_8975> hello
02:41:27 <pa_8975> how long should it take for portable apps to install?
02:42:15 <pa_8975> hello
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04:31:20 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
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10:24:03 <Someone> hey
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10:24:28 <ChrisMorgan> Hello Someone, can we help you with Something today?
10:24:30 <Guest32070> have problem installing portable apps
10:24:38 <ChrisMorgan> What's your problem?
10:24:40 <Guest32070> having*
10:24:48 <Guest32070> umm the dowloading wont start
10:24:52 <Guest32070> it wont connect to the server to download the apps
10:25:00 <Guest32070> just freezes on connecting..
10:25:03 <ChrisMorgan> What's the URL you're getting?
10:25:05 <Guest32070> uTorrent is the app
10:25:25 <Guest32070> no no i am talking about online installer
10:25:32 <Guest32070> the one that downloads the app while installing
10:25:40 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, yep. Okay.
10:26:03 <Guest32070> so yea any advice ? XD
10:26:11 <Guest32070> its been stuck at connecting for 5 mins now
10:26:23 <ChrisMorgan> All I can really recommend is starting it again.
10:27:23 <ChrisMorgan> You can terminate the installer in Task Manager (uTorrentPortable_1.8.5_Rev_2_online.paf.exe, may appear as uTorrentPortab or something like that)
10:27:23 <Guest32070> k
10:27:48 <Guest32070> hmm
10:27:57 <Guest32070> i am thinking that the firewall wont let it connect to the internet..
10:28:08 <ChrisMorgan> That's probably it.
10:28:15 <Guest32070> yea but i cant disable it XD
10:28:20 <Guest32070> not my comp
10:28:23 <Guest32070> and its password protected lol
10:28:25 <ChrisMorgan> In that case, you're stymmied :-(
10:28:37 <Guest32070> haha i guess so XD
10:28:51 <ChrisMorgan> But you couldn't have used µTorrent anyway for the same reasons... :P
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16:14:10 <pa_3554> My quesstion is this...how do you uninstall an app from the portableapps interface?
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16:14:28 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3554: just delete the directory
16:14:31 <pa_3554> My quesstion is this...how do you uninstall an app from the portableapps interface?
16:14:51 <pa_3554> oh okok gotcha...thank you
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16:23:38 <pen16> hi there
16:23:46 <pen16> I'm having some trouble with portableapps.com programs
16:23:50 <ChrisMorgan> Hello there, pen16
16:24:03 <pen16> when they start up, I am getting a "busy cursor" for some period of time
16:24:16 <ChrisMorgan> This isn't an issue. It's just part of the way Windows works.
16:24:38 <pen16> hmm.. not issue why not?
16:24:39 <ChrisMorgan> It's on our "won't fix" list as it's practically impossible to track down. And it's not major at all.
16:24:52 <ChrisMorgan> The question is more, why /is/ it an issue.
16:25:13 <pen16> well I am trying to use the portable version of WinMerge and like I am practically done looking at the diff and 5 seconds later the cursor is sitll an hourglass
16:25:17 <ChrisMorgan> I think you're the fourth person to ever ask about it.
16:25:46 <ChrisMorgan> Obviously the diff was small :-)
16:25:55 <pen16> yeah it was small, a few lines of code
16:26:26 <pen16> well this is a real problem, i dont like the hourglass
16:26:36 <ChrisMorgan> We haven't been able to work out why it happens at all and can't be bothered spending lots of time debugging NSIS code to work out where it is - especially as in my experience in looking into it at all it's the sort of thing which doesn't happen when you debug it. Or ever, for me.
16:26:38 <pen16> i have used other portable programs why dont they have this problem?
16:26:59 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think any of us have ever confirmed it (I certainly haven't managed to)
16:28:28 <pen16> if you turn off the start up banner
16:28:45 <pen16> if the start up banner is enabled then it doesnt happen
16:28:47 <pen16> so it seems fix able
16:29:38 <Gizmokid2005> pen16: like ChrisMorgan said, it's hard to fix something you can't reproduce...I've never seen the problem on my end.
16:29:59 <pen16> you arent getting the busy cursor at all, ever?
16:30:10 <Gizmokid2005> Nope.
16:30:20 <pen16> ive used these portableapps on maybe 10 computers i've never seen it not happen?
16:30:23 <ChrisMorgan> To the best of my knowledge, it's been reported by one user in the forums, confirmed by another user in the forums, and complained about extremely verbosely by one person twice in here, and now you.
16:30:49 <pen16> happens on XP, Vista, and 7
16:31:03 <Gizmokid2005> Nope, I just tried it with winmergeportable here on Win7 with splash disabled
16:31:06 <Gizmokid2005> and it works just as normal
16:31:28 <Gizmokid2005> I only get the busy cursor when expected, while the app is actually working.
16:32:11 <Gizmokid2005> whic for me, is about 1.5 seconds after I launch the app.
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16:33:16 <pen16> ok i have a windows XP machine i just installed last night
16:33:28 <pen16> its a msdn copy of windows no alternations / fresh
16:33:32 <pen16> let me check if it happens there
16:35:18 <pen16> yep same thing
16:35:57 <pen16> maybe you guys are so used to it that you arent seeing it?
16:35:57 <ChrisMorgan> Its possibly your definition of what it should be doing...?
16:36:08 <pen16> ok i have winmerge and also winmerge portable
16:36:16 <pen16> if i start winmerge
16:36:17 <Gizmokid2005> pen16: trust me, it doesn't happen.
16:36:21 <pen16> it starts instantly, no busy cursors
16:36:32 <pen16> if i start winmerge portable with splash disabled
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16:36:41 <pen16> i get about 4-5 seconds of busy cursor
16:36:54 <Gizmokid2005> and I don't
16:37:02 <Gizmokid2005> it doesn't even take more than 2 seconds from double-click to launch.
16:37:10 <pen16> it launches right away
16:37:18 <pen16> but the busy cursor is there after it has finished starting up
16:37:23 <Gizmokid2005> not here
16:38:27 <ChrisMorgan> Anyhow, whether it's there or not, we can't really do anything about it.
16:38:45 <pen16> how come it only happens when splash screen is disabled?
16:38:56 <pen16> that makes it seem like a bug in portableapps
16:39:05 <Gizmokid2005> pen16: we can't tell you, if there's no reason it should be happening in the first place...
16:39:10 <ChrisMorgan> pen16: feel free to look at the source code. There is no such bug.
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16:42:21 <pen16> ok I'm gonna make a video of it and post it on the forums
16:42:24 <Gizmokid2005> pen16: I just tried it again. WinMerge Portable, disabled splash, 2 second launch, no busy cursor afterwards
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16:42:51 <pen16> do you have a modified OS in some way?
16:42:56 <pen16> since this happens on stock/fresh install
16:43:02 <Gizmokid2005> no pen16
16:43:03 <Gizmokid2005> just updated
16:43:10 <Gizmokid2005> Win7 Ult x64 from msdn
16:43:15 <ChrisMorgan> pen16: something has just occurred to me what it might possibly be; if it is this, then the new universal launcher will be fixing this. Could you please try the DisableSplashScreen on one of my projects (links available from http://chrismorgan.info/): GanttProject, Data Crow, Sweet Home 3D, WinDjView, DropUpLoad
16:43:38 <pen16> sure
16:43:39 <pen16> one sec
16:43:44 <ChrisMorgan> Any will do
16:44:39 <pen16> GanttProject Portable 2.0.10 Development Test 1 ?
16:44:48 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
16:45:20 <pen16> i'm doing WinDjView instead since it doesnt require java
16:45:29 <ChrisMorgan> OK, that's fine
16:46:59 <pen16> yes 5 seconds busy cursor on WinDjView
16:47:17 <ChrisMorgan> OK then. I reckon it's some crazy phantom then :D
16:47:47 <ChrisMorgan> You've been cursed by a waiter ;-)
16:47:54 <pen16> a waiter?
16:47:56 <pen16> oh
16:48:44 <pen16> alright thanks for the help, i will try to read the nsis script
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16:51:31 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, pa_5791! Can we help you with anything?
16:52:28 <pa_5791> hang on :-)
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16:53:42 <prapper> I was just reading the logs but missed pen16 and his splash screen issue
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16:54:10 <ChrisMorgan> Have you any light to throw on the situation?
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16:55:11 <prapper> recompile the nsi with the splash time set to 0 is the only way I found to fix it. I know what he means, happens here with all apps, all the time
16:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> Oh? So we have a developer who's able to confirm it now?
16:55:56 <ChrisMorgan> How about just removing all the newadvsplash stuff (INCLUDING the unload at the end). Does that fix it?
16:56:02 <prapper> If you mean me, then yes
16:56:12 <prapper> no, tried all that
16:57:11 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, I'm convinced that it's purely due to a window being shown to which it can assign the "business", otherwise it has to tell the user with a wait cursor; and so it's entirely Windows' fault.
16:57:19 <prapper> I always keep the splash personally, but for those that don't I could see how it could be a bit irritating :-)
16:57:27 <ChrisMorgan> Pah. :D
16:57:37 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for that, prapper
16:58:10 <prapper> If I emember, you can also remove the SILENT switch from the launcher LOL
16:58:21 <prapper> yeah, right!
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17:03:41 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... that would fit in with that reason.
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17:04:21 <ChrisMorgan> prapper: how about, timout=0, no /nounload? If that doesn't produce any window flicker, then I think that may be our no-splash-screen solution for the Launcher
17:04:48 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight now.
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21:44:39 <WoodWork> .beats
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21:44:44 <WoodWork> .time
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21:45:32 <MaienM> WoodWork: please stop abusing the bot
21:45:37 <WoodWork> Sorry.
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22:03:59 <gluxon> Hi guys :)
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23:14:57 <pa_9621> hi i have just got portableapps and i am trying to figure out how to save bookmarks in fire fox portable?
23:16:00 <pa_9621> ?nick
23:16:13 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9621: they save automatically
23:16:16 <Gizmokid2005> just like normal firefox.
23:16:27 <pa_9621> it dint save them
23:16:47 <pa_9621> didnt/\
23:16:56 <Gizmokid2005> were you running in private browsing mode?
23:17:02 <pa_9621> did i set it up wrong?
23:17:18 <pa_9621> how do i fing that out?
23:17:23 <pa_9621> find
23:17:50 <Gizmokid2005> it would say it in the title bar while you are using it.
23:18:20 <Gizmokid2005> did you just install Firefox Portable pa_9621?
23:18:42 <pa_9621> i installed the portable light
23:18:54 <Gizmokid2005> what portable light?
23:18:56 <Gizmokid2005> from where?
23:19:07 <pa_9621> it came with a bunch of apps including firefox
23:19:27 <pa_9621> portable apps.com
23:19:31 <Gizmokid2005> you downloaded the suite?
23:19:52 <pa_9621> ya the light one
23:20:00 <Gizmokid2005> are you running it from a flash drive?
23:20:03 <pa_9621> yes
23:20:13 <Gizmokid2005> Ok
23:21:08 <pa_9621> should i re set it up or is there a setting i need to change
23:23:16 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not sure pa_9621
23:23:21 <Gizmokid2005> do you have any extensions installed at all?
23:23:30 <Gizmokid2005> do you have anything saved in this copy of firefox at all yet?
23:23:57 <pa_9621> i saved a few bookmarks but that was it
23:24:12 <Gizmokid2005> did those actually save?
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23:24:21 <pa_9621> but i had to restart my comp when i loaded it back up they were gone
23:24:31 <Gizmokid2005> Ok
23:24:48 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9621: go into your X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable folder
23:24:51 <Gizmokid2005> and rename the data folder
23:24:55 <Gizmokid2005> to "DataOld" or something
23:25:01 <Gizmokid2005> with firefox closed of course
23:25:10 <Gizmokid2005> and then relaunch firefox and attempt to save a bookmark again
23:25:16 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: may i ask a question ?
23:25:27 <pa_9621> sure
23:25:34 <Gizmokid2005> feel free TimClark
23:25:39 <TimClark> are you using FFP right now
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23:26:16 <TimClark> i guess he was
23:26:17 <Gizmokid2005> he must've been.
23:27:15 <TimClark> When he comes back we should ask him to open another tab to someplace else and see if he can bookmark it, and check it
23:27:36 <TimClark> while FF is still running, just as a test
23:27:56 <Gizmokid2005> right
23:27:58 <Gizmokid2005> thanks TimClark :)
23:28:28 <TimClark> and we should have him tell us his current version of FFP, just to be sure
23:29:21 <TimClark> If he could be here w/o using FFP i would suggesting then closing FFP waiting and then launching again
23:29:47 <TimClark> Perhaps we could get him to use the Support Chat thru IE?
23:30:23 <Gizmokid2005> possibly
23:30:26 <Gizmokid2005> it shouldn't be needed
23:30:37 <Gizmokid2005> with a fresh profile, chances are it's a profile issue, something is corrupt.
23:31:39 <TimClark> Of course, but once he restarts we can't check till he shuts down FFP and opens it again, unless he tries to bookmark something before he rejoins
23:31:52 <Gizmokid2005> right
23:32:19 <TimClark> which, now that i think about it, would have been a good thing to suggest :P
23:32:31 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
23:32:37 <Gizmokid2005> maybe he'll just try it anyways :)
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23:47:12 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: maybe he's fine now and just hasn't thought to come back and let you know :/
23:47:25 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
23:49:17 <TimClark> Anyway, later Gizmokid2005
23:49:24 <Gizmokid2005> see ya TimClark\
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23:53:15 <GizmoBot> sar3th is developing LyXPortable together with OliverK and thinks you should give http://portableapps.com/node/21544 a try!