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01:25:48 <Mir_> hey guyz
01:26:01 <Mir_> i actualy have a support question
01:26:09 <Mir_> i need something for VLC
01:26:29 <Mir_> http://wiki.videolan.org/Gme
01:26:45 <Mir_> can someone comple it and make it portable?
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01:50:02 <Mir_> :<
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03:18:31 <Mir_> help
03:18:31 <GizmoBot> Mir_: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
03:18:42 <Mir_> reaking bot
03:18:53 <Mir_> i already asked for help you dumbnut bot
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03:21:25 <pa_4365> anyone know a simple way to install apps for other devices (u3) to work with portable apps?
03:22:00 <Mir_> no
03:22:03 <Mir_> they wont
03:22:18 <Scriptdaemon> There really isn't one. If it's already "portable" you can put it on the drive though (if that's what you use).
03:22:19 <Mir_> if there is a way it might be in the u3 board of the forum
03:22:55 <pa_4365> thx...i'll give it my best shot. portable apps seems to be better than u3 so i'd like to stick with it.
03:23:12 * Mir_ is annoyed at mingw
03:23:17 <Mir_> i cant work it
03:23:22 <Scriptdaemon> What apps in particular are you interested in?
03:23:29 <Mir_> this is suppose to be an easy command
03:23:39 <pa_4365> there's an avast portable antivirus for u3
03:23:49 <Mir_> g++ gme.cpp -o vlc.exe
03:24:08 <Mir_> use clamwin
03:24:10 <Scriptdaemon> Ah. Well, you can try Clamwin if you haven't already.
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03:24:28 <Mir_> its smaller and doesnt tag as many "goog" programs as viruses
03:24:36 <pa_4365> good idea
03:24:39 <Mir_> i have both running on this machine now
03:24:59 <pa_4365> thx all
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03:25:04 <Mir_> yw
03:26:20 <Mir_> mother .....
03:26:23 <Mir_> GRRRR
03:26:26 <chrisroby> O.o
03:26:40 <Mir_> how the *#&%^ing hell do you people compile *#^&$ for windows
03:26:57 <chrisroby> ahahaha
03:26:57 <Mir_> $*^^@( i think i might get this done faster in DOS
03:27:22 <chrisroby> thats why progrmmers use linux
03:27:23 <Scriptdaemon> I select the "compile" option in the drop-down menus.
03:27:24 <Mir_> "that command doesnt exist"
03:27:24 <Scriptdaemon> =P
03:27:35 <Scriptdaemon> But I use wxDev-C++.
03:27:35 <chrisroby> soml
03:27:51 <Mir_> there is a beta of that on the forum
03:28:19 <chrisroby> i use visual c++.......
03:28:34 <Mir_> not free
03:28:39 <Scriptdaemon> I know. It has a bug though which effects portability.
03:28:59 <Scriptdaemon> Actually, it depends which version of Visual C++ you use. There is a free one.
03:29:10 <Scriptdaemon> affects*
03:29:20 <chrisroby> i have...connections
03:29:23 <chrisroby> ahahaha
03:29:29 <Mir_> :|
03:29:31 <Mir_> so do i
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03:29:59 * Mir_ points to the federal discount and the student discoun.
03:30:07 * Mir_ also stabs SrgSiler|ZNC
03:30:15 * chrisroby points to uncle at microsoft
03:30:15 <Mir_> for good measure
03:30:17 <Scriptdaemon> Since I'm a CS major, I can get MS stuff for free.
03:30:32 <chrisroby> really?
03:30:36 <Scriptdaemon> But I don't bother since I don't use MS crap anyway.
03:30:44 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, thinking about using it to get Windows 7 though.
03:30:49 <Mir_> i can get it for free because of my certification program
03:31:17 <Mir_> all i want is a simple plugin for VLC
03:31:19 <Mir_> T____T
03:31:25 <Mir_> how hard can it be
03:31:32 <Scriptdaemon> A plugin to do what?
03:31:33 <chrisroby> get CCCP
03:33:11 <Mir_> its not included in CCCP
03:33:14 <Mir_> trust me
03:33:25 <Mir_> play NSF and SPC files
03:34:19 <Mir_> only FOO_GEP and GME
03:34:56 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
03:36:20 <Mir_> http://wiki.videolan.org/Gme <-- what i want
03:36:40 <Mir_> and i want it to work with VLCPAF
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03:44:35 <chrisroby> strange...
03:46:09 <Mir_> :|
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04:34:17 <Mir> ok
04:34:30 <Mir> i now made a request for GME to be compiled on PA
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13:17:31 <pa_5136> Hello. I'm using LiberKey as a main portable apps provider, but would like also try to check PA solution. Some time ago when I've been trying it, it required to check manually for an update for every application, something that LiberKey does automatically. My question is, is I will try the Suite, not separate programs, will it check for updates for all programs from the Suite on start?
13:23:32 <ChrisMorgan> No
13:23:53 <ChrisMorgan> The updater is coming in the next release, but you'll still have to run it manually.
13:24:22 <ChrisMorgan> Are you aware that LiberKey is a regular law breaker?
13:24:42 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I don't like anything which goes connecting to the internet when it feels like it. I prefer to look for updates manually.
13:26:01 <MaienM|Sleep> I guess that having an option for it to check for updates on startup or anything might be convenient for some people though.... I wonder if that has been requested yet.
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13:26:48 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly. At the moment though the architecture is not at all conducive to doing that.
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13:50:37 <pa_5344> Does anyone know how to deinstal portable apps?
13:50:55 <pa_5344> I need more room on my memory stick for coursework
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13:51:44 <morrjo84> its pretty easy
13:51:54 <morrjo84> just right click em in the apps menu
13:51:59 <morrjo84> and hit uninstall
13:53:01 <pa_5344> I meant the actual progam for it, sorry
13:54:01 <ChrisMorgan42> pa_5344: just delete the directory
13:54:26 <ChrisMorgan42> If you mean the whole PortableApps.com Platform and all PortableApps.com applications, delete X:\PortableApps and consider deleting X:\Documents
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13:56:37 <pa_5344> Thank you =) It's worked
13:56:46 <morrjo84> good
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15:32:25 <Happehwalrus> Will someone help me? All my icons on Pidgin are gone and just show a big X.
15:32:43 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Happehwalrus: have you restarted Pidgin?
15:33:00 <Happehwalrus> Yes, I tried that.
15:33:14 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Restarted Windows?
15:33:26 <Happehwalrus> No.
15:33:36 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Windows can run out of resources, then strange things can happen.
15:33:39 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Try restarting.
15:33:47 <ChrisMorgan|Away> If not, try reinstalling Pidgin.
15:34:07 <Happehwalrus> Um, also all my icons on Firefox are messed up.
15:34:23 <Happehwalrus> Restart time.
15:34:24 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Sounds likely to be the icon cache then. Restart Windows.
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15:47:23 <Happehwalrus> I restarted, now my flash drive won't work.
15:47:35 <ChrisMorgan|Away> OK, dead drive I'd say.
15:47:44 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Any light on it?
15:47:47 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Tried other USB ports?
15:47:50 <ChrisMorgan|Away> It's probably dead.
15:47:54 <Happehwalrus> Yes, there's a light.
15:48:14 <ChrisMorgan|Away> That doesn't mean anything though... the chip can die and the light still work.
15:48:26 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Just if the light wasn't working, you could /know/ it wasn't working.
15:48:28 <Happehwalrus> Die?
15:48:32 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Try a different machine?
15:48:41 <ChrisMorgan|Away> The chip can just stop working.
15:49:16 <Happehwalrus> Great, I've lost all my work!
15:49:23 <Happehwalrus> </sarcasm>
15:50:14 <Happehwalrus> Not to mention it had all of my passwords in it.
15:51:34 <Happehwalrus> Is there a way I could get all my stuff back?
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15:54:38 <ChrisMorgan|Away> I doubt it. Try another machine though.
15:57:20 <Gizmokid2005> I will throw out there, I had an issue like that with my drive, and using it in a linux machine I was able to mount the drive and pull a lot of data from it.
15:59:05 <Happehwalrus> Okay then...
16:00:00 <Happehwalrus> I have an old Ubuntu, but it's not hooked up, and everything's not where it should be, could I just use my 9.03 trial CD?
16:00:17 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Should be able to
16:00:24 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Live CD is the correct term :-)
16:00:55 <Happehwalrus> "Ubuntu Live CD", okay.
16:02:53 <Happehwalrus> Just when I actually need my CD it grows legs and jumps out the window.
16:04:35 <Happehwalrus> I found the CD holder, no CD.
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16:08:58 <Happehwalrus> It was in my Revolver case.
16:09:13 <ChrisMorgan|Away> You carry a gun? :O
16:09:15 <ChrisMorgan|Away> ;-)
16:09:51 <Happehwalrus> That was a joke, right?
16:10:09 <ChrisMorgan|Away> ... I'm not sure :/
16:10:28 <Happehwalrus> I mean the Beatles album, "Revolver".
16:10:35 <Happehwalrus> meant*
16:10:39 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Oh. Never heard of it.
16:11:17 <Happehwalrus> http://www.thebeatles.com/
16:11:33 <ChrisMorgan|Away> I'm busy... not really interested in the Beatles anyway :-)
16:11:42 <Happehwalrus> The Beatles were the best band ever, always will be.
16:12:22 <Happehwalrus> I'm gonna go get into Ubuntu, brb.
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16:17:18 <Happehwalrus> On Ubuntu,
16:17:24 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Any luck?
16:17:33 <ChrisMorgan|Away> What client are you using?
16:17:36 <Happehwalrus> Haven't tried yet.
16:17:39 <Happehwalrus> Pidgin.
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16:19:27 <Happehwalrus> No luck.
16:19:45 <Happehwalrus> Might be the computer?
16:19:55 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Remotely possible
16:20:21 <Happehwalrus> :-( I hope so.
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16:31:07 <Happehwalrus> Oh, yeah, I got Suite Beta 4 and now the icons work fine.
16:31:20 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Good.
16:31:38 <ChrisMorgan|Away> Wait... Beta /4/!?
16:31:45 <ChrisMorgan|Away> I hope you mean Beta 3..?
16:35:51 <Happehwalrus> I did, just was thinking of something else that's in Beta 4.
16:36:15 <Happehwalrus> Accidentally typed Beta 4 instead.
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17:13:52 <vicc_portugal> hello
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17:30:10 <Sadhow> Hi, I have a question. there is the tool PortableApps.com Installer in German? because my English is not very good
17:36:11 <vicc_portugal> I don't know
17:36:50 <MaienM> Sadhow: one second, let me check
17:36:57 <MaienM> vicc_portugal: do you need help with anything?
17:38:45 <Sadhow> Is there PortableApps.com installer will also ind German?
17:39:21 <MaienM> Sadhow: I don't think it is. However, since you only need it to create an installer for an app you portablised, you shouldn't have to use it that often for it to really be an issue.
17:42:12 <Sadhow> That's a pity
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17:51:10 <Mir> any developers here ?
17:51:18 <Mir> any of you guys alive
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17:51:48 <Gizmokid2005> Mir: whatcha need?
17:52:19 <Mir> i need some assistance in compiling something
17:52:41 <Mir> http://pastebin.ca/1703254
17:53:11 <Mir> videolan is being a bitch and telling me "dont bother you dont need it. lololol"
17:53:21 <Mir> and thats from an admin
17:53:27 <Mir> and a dev there
17:54:07 <Gizmokid2005> Not sure exactly, but I'm guessing you don't have the proper vlc libs for compiling
17:54:37 <Mir> http://wiki.videolan.org/Gme
17:54:55 <Mir> so do you think i need vlc_dev
17:55:08 <Gizmokid2005> most likely
17:55:12 <Gizmokid2005> judging by what the errors are
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18:00:25 <TimClark> Happehwalrus: are you still here?
18:00:44 <Happehwalrus> Yes.
18:00:48 <TimClark> going to pm
18:22:23 <Mir> Gizmokid2005: same error
18:22:34 <Mir> now i have vlc devel and vlc debug
18:22:49 <Gizmokid2005> Mir: I'm not sure then. Seems like something isn't pointing to the right files.
18:23:07 <Mir> i know
18:23:19 <Mir> and i dont know how to point them to the correct location
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18:55:19 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
18:55:28 <Mir> SteveLamerton: :D
18:55:34 <Mir> meybe you can assist me
18:55:44 <Mir> http://pastebin.ca/1703254
18:55:55 <Mir> i get this when compiling gme for vlc
18:56:15 <Mir> gme is a module/demuxer for game sound files
18:56:31 <SteveLamerton> It looks like it is looking for the vlc source, do you have it?
18:57:00 <Gizmokid2005> haha, see Mir
18:57:03 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton
18:57:14 <SteveLamerton> Hello Gizmokid2005
18:57:40 <SteveLamerton> Did I just say what you did Gizmokid2005?
18:57:54 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: yeah, Mir asked me about it already, and that's what I told him
18:58:27 <SteveLamerton> Unlucky Mir ;)
19:00:34 <Mir> :(
19:00:44 <Mir> good thing i requested it on PA.c
19:00:48 <Mir> >:D
19:01:23 * SteveLamerton notes Toucan is once again compiling on Linux
19:04:00 <Mir> http://portableapps.com/node/21749
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19:06:57 <vicc_portugal> hi
19:08:03 <Mir> there seriously is no information on how to compile this *#$^
19:08:13 <Mir> their forum fails
19:08:17 <Mir> google fails
19:09:16 * Mir is royaly flustrated
19:09:34 <Mir> and i am still being blown off by the admin and developers of VLC
19:11:25 <vicc_portugal> ?
19:15:15 <SteveLamerton> Mir: Do you have the vlc source?
19:15:41 <vicc_portugal> no
19:16:05 <TimClark> vicc_portugal: SteveLamerton is talking to Mir
19:18:38 <vicc_portugal> oh...
19:18:57 <vicc_portugal> * vicc_portugalhides in shame
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19:32:36 <vicc_portugal> hello again
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19:51:20 <vicc_portugal> hi
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20:55:42 <vicc_portugal> hi
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20:56:14 <vicc_portugal> olá!
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21:04:01 <vicc_portugal> hi
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21:44:57 <pa_5394> Hello
21:45:10 <TimClark> Can we help you pa_5394 ?
21:45:54 <pa_5394> Is it possible to add *.bat or *.cmd scripts to a menu so I can setup environment vaiables?
21:46:09 <pa_5394> vaiables=variables
21:46:13 <TimClark> Not at this point pa_5394 , perhaps in the future
21:47:08 <pa_5394> another question, since USB devices can mount as different drive letters, how can you tell the application which drive it's using?
21:47:08 <gluxon> Yes :D
21:47:08 <gluxon> With a catch :(
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21:47:39 <TimClark> pa_5394: explain please
21:48:27 <pa_5394> If I use Eclipse and I want the workspace directory to reside on the USB drive....
21:48:56 <pa_5394> can you pass command-line parameters to the executable?
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21:49:22 <TimClark> I do not use eclipse so do not know
21:50:06 <pa_5394> is there any environment variable that would tell me what drive portableApps is on?
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21:51:52 <TimClark> again pa_5394 could you explain what you mean?
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21:52:28 <TimClark> as far as the eclispe question, we are checking
21:53:19 <pa_5394> here's what I would like to do....I have an executable that I can execute with a command-line argurment to tell it where the "data" directory is so is it possible to excute this program with command-line argumants?
21:53:28 <gluxon> Oh, it's an Eclipse Portable question? :D
21:53:36 <pa_5394> it
21:54:04 <pa_5394> it's a general question about setting up my own applications so that they will run in the menu.
21:54:11 <gluxon> Ah.
21:54:29 <gluxon> Please wait a couple seconds :D
21:54:34 <ptmb> pa_5394, but you also had an eclipse portable question, right? gluxon is the developer and he can help you with that
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21:55:22 <pa_5394> meclipse was just an example but my real qusetion is a general question about setting up any application to run in the menus
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21:55:37 <gluxon> ?
21:55:52 <sar3th> pa_5394: you usually use a special launcher to handle the drive letter-related questions
21:56:14 <ptmb> eclipse portable does so automatically because of the special launcher developed by gluxon, for example
21:56:15 <sar3th> like find out on which drive we are, and launch the exe with --data-dir=X:\myapp\Data
21:56:19 <gluxon> Wait, did you download Eclipse from eclipse.org or the PortableApps.com edition?
21:57:02 <pa_5394> I have several applications that will run standalone (Tomcat, MySql, and Eclipse) which I would like to setup to execute from the menus.
21:57:13 <gluxon> oh.
21:57:36 <sar3th> pa_5394: if they require special treatment in order to work on your flash drive, you need a launcher to handle those things for you
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21:57:46 <pa_5394> none actually require any windows setup but need environment variables
21:58:03 <sar3th> you can set those with your launcher then :)
21:58:42 <pa_5394> I'm a newbee to portaleapps...what would my laucher be?
21:58:58 <ptmb> pa_5394, general rule, such applications have the user data stored somewhere, and if there isn't a command line argument for that, the developers create a launcher that detects the custom folders, files, and regestry entries in which these programs store their data and make sure that, a) the portable data is saved on the pen, and b) the app doesn't interfere with local app's data
21:59:24 <ptmb> when I say pen, I mean flash drive or usb drive
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21:59:31 <pa_5394> so how would I create a launcher?
21:59:45 <gluxon> Gotta be kidding me :P
21:59:56 <pa_5394> I'm a newbee, bear with me
22:00:01 <TimClark> gluxon: enter -ot
22:00:04 <sar3th> .def field_guide
22:00:05 <GizmoBot> field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
22:00:30 <sar3th> pa_5394: read that article, you should be able to understand more then :)
22:00:33 <gluxon> But that's really hard to make.
22:02:14 <gluxon> .g Bat2Exe
22:02:15 <GizmoBot> gluxon: http://www.computerhope.com/dutil.htm
22:02:18 <ptmb> pa_5394, I also advice you to search for the apps or for similar apps on the site and forums, as, just like gluxon said, making a launcher is very dificult and not easy for the not-experienced
22:02:21 <TimClark> pa_5394: the field guide pointed out by sar3th is a good place to start
22:02:57 <gluxon> Or you can convert your .bat file to an EXE so the Menu sees it :)
22:03:04 <TimClark> it will tell you about how launchers are made
22:03:31 <sar3th> pa_5394: the batch file issue you were talking about earlier is dealt with here: http://portableapps.com/node/21598#comment-134398
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22:03:40 <MaienM> gluxon: using a bat2exe converter will often results in false positives
22:04:44 <TimClark> as i mentioned to someone in off topic support, bat to exe i do not recomend, it often causes more problems then it's worth
22:06:57 <pa_5394> so it sounds like the txt file doesn't need to have a specific name???
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22:09:24 <ptmb> pa_5394, you can use a special scripting language, called autohotkey, to launch the .bat files. It can be compiled into a .exe, so it will show up in the menu
22:12:22 <ptmb> pa_5394, we noticed we are all out of sync and shooting answers here and there, so we will ask you, are you confused?
22:13:13 <ptmb> pa_5394, and if you are, how can we help you?
22:15:07 <pa_5394> I created the txt file and dropped it in both the PortableApps directory and the PortableApps\mysql directory but it's not showing up when I refresh the menu
22:15:28 <pa_5394> I called the file MySQLPortableApp.txt
22:15:33 <TimClark> .txt files will not show up, only .exe's
22:15:54 <TimClark> that is the whole point we have tried to make
22:16:23 <pa_5394> I was following the info on the link above "To turn a regular application into portableapps format. all you have to do is create a new text document in its root folder and include the following..."
22:16:24 <ptmb> pa_5394, what TimClark means is that the guide may not be very well made, this is because the menu only accepts executable files
22:17:50 <pa_5394> and it did specify an *.exe. Here's the file:
22:17:50 <pa_5394> [Format] Type=PortableApps.comFormat Version=5.1.31 [Details] Name=MySQL Publisher=MySQL Developers Homepage=www.mysql.com Category=Databases Description=MySQL Database 5.1.31 [License] Shareable=true OpenSource=false Freeware=true CommercialUse=true [Version] (note that these numbers must be above any of the other apps'. good idea to start at 5). PackageVersion=5.1.31 DisplayVersion=5.1.31 [Control] Icons=1 Start=mysql
22:18:02 <pa_5394> sorry for the formatting
22:18:05 <ptmb> pa_5394, please wait a second while one person is checking to see if the guide is possible or not
22:18:35 <TimClark> those instrutions only work for an app that is set up for a paf type app
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22:18:50 <vicc_portugal> hi
22:18:55 <TimClark> the lauchner you would have to make would look in that place for the info
22:19:01 <TimClark> vicc_portugal: support is occuring
22:19:07 <vicc_portugal> ok
22:19:14 <vicc_portugal> can I help?
22:19:24 <sar3th> vicc_portugal: join #portableapps-ot
22:19:25 <TimClark> join -ot vicc_portugal
22:20:24 <ptmb> pa_5394, the person searching found out it is possible with some changes, so please wait while we prepare to teach you how to do it
22:23:25 <sar3th> pa_5394: what is the name of your batch file?
22:24:13 <pa_5394> one would be startup.bat and another would be shutdown.bat
22:25:53 <sar3th> these are for starting mysql and stopping mysql, am i right?
22:26:54 <pa_5394> y, or for tomcat also...I would write/tweak the batch file if it doesn't do what I need
22:27:15 <pa_5394> as far as environment variables and settings
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22:28:14 <sar3th> okay
22:35:11 <sar3th> pa_5394: i can help you to get your two batch files to show up in the portableapps menu as two seperate Menu entries, should we go ahead?
22:35:28 <pa_5394> y
22:35:47 <sar3th> okay. first, you need to go to your PortableApps folder
22:36:05 <pa_5394> k
22:36:19 <sar3th> i assume the batch files belong to MySql, so create a new subfolder called MySqlPortable
22:36:36 <sar3th> tell me when you're ready to continue
22:37:25 <pa_5394> is the directory name important? I already have it in a directory called mysql-5.1.31-win32 in the portableAps directory.
22:37:50 <sar3th> the name is not important, but it must not contain spaces
22:38:00 <pa_5394> k, I'm good then
22:38:41 <sar3th> okay..where are shutdown.bat and startup.bat located right now?
22:38:46 <sar3th> in the mysql-5.1.31-win32 folder?
22:38:52 <pa_5394> y
22:39:00 <sar3th> good
22:39:13 <sar3th> now you need to create a new subfolder in mysql-5.1.31-win32, call it App
22:39:47 <pa_5394> k
22:40:03 <sar3th> then, create another subfolder in that App folder. name it appinfo
22:40:35 <pa_5394> k
22:41:49 <sar3th> now, open notepad
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22:43:15 <pa_5394> k
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22:44:30 <sar3th> copy the contents of the following link into notepad (use ctrl+c and ctrl+v): http://portableapps.pastebin.com/d1703ee2c
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22:45:32 <GizmoBot> daBomb69 is the genius that forgot to include Perl in Perl Portable xP
22:46:58 <pa_5394> k, I called the file MySQL.txt in the appinfo directory and added the contents and saved it
22:47:47 <pa_4954> isn't a INI file?
22:48:27 <pa_5394> k, I renamed it to MySQL.ini
22:48:27 <ptmb> pa_4954, we have a person helping pa_5394, so please don't interrupt them
22:48:27 <sar3th> pa_5394: no, you need to call it "appinfo.ini"
22:48:41 <sar3th> otherwise, it will not work
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22:49:57 <pa_5394> Ahhh, I see them now. Thx
22:50:12 <sar3th> no problem :)
22:51:11 <pa_5394> why is there a Start, and Start1 pointing to the same *.bat file? Is that necessary?
22:51:44 <sar3th> yes, it needs to be included
22:51:48 <sar3th> "Start is the command line to execute for the main application"
22:51:55 <pa_5394> great, thanks!
22:52:09 <sar3th> you're welcome
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22:53:28 <MaienM> pa_0000: hello, can we help you with anything?
22:54:06 <pa_0000> no, thanks
22:54:19 <pa_0000> I know there is support occuring
22:55:01 <TimClark> pa_5394: are you still in need of help ?
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22:57:02 <vicc_portugal> sorry about my participation
22:57:07 <TimClark> vicc_portugal: i am very pissed at you
22:57:22 <vicc_portugal> but i have only a doubt
22:57:24 <TimClark> do not play games during support, ever, period
22:57:39 <TimClark> do you understand
22:58:19 <vicc_portugal> If the bat files are the launchers, the main application can write to Windows Registry, or am I wrong?
22:58:59 <MaienM> whether you are wrong or right doesn't matter, support hasn't ended so take it to -ot
22:59:23 <MaienM> you have been told before, multiple times, so consider this a last warning.
23:00:04 <vicc_portugal> ?
23:00:42 <MaienM> take your discussion, whatever it may be, to -ot or -dev
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23:01:35 <TimClark> pa_5394 seems to have left, floor is open
23:01:35
23:02:03 <vicc_portugal> sorry, i thought he was talking to other user
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23:04:26 <MaienM> comments on support:
23:04:46 <MaienM> first of all, when we offer support, ONE person talks to our pa guy
23:04:49 <MaienM> in the start ptmb, sar3th and gluzon were talking to our pa_ guy, all coming with ideas and confusing him.
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23:04:57 <MaienM> that is NOT how we do stuff.
23:05:14 <MaienM> second, all talk about support goes to -ot
23:05:37 <MaienM> so if anyone has any ideas, state them in -ot so the guy talking to the pa_ can use them
23:06:10 <MaienM> because of this, during support -ot is reserved for support discussion, and all -ot discussion is banned from it.
23:06:22 <MaienM> and third, NO PLAYING AROUND
23:06:59 <MaienM> that disrupts support which is unacceptable, and doing so may very well result into a (temp) ban or mute, so you are warned.
23:07:52 <TimClark> I am in agreement with MaienM on all of this and I think Gizmokid2005|AFK is as well
23:08:27 <TimClark> And as a norm, folks who have a released app should be the first to give support if possible
23:08:38 <TimClark> or someone who is working on an app
23:09:08 <TimClark> or someone who has delt with the problem or question at hand and KNOWS the solution
23:09:45 <ptmb> I agree with TimClark and MaienM, we made maybe the WORST support untill now
23:10:21 <ptmb> anything more MaienM?
23:10:33 <MaienM> no, that was all
23:10:53 <ptmb> ok, so my proposal is as to avoid such things happen again (sort of)
23:11:27 <ptmb> we should have a place where to teach people how to do support and save pre-made answers to commonly questioned things
23:12:12 <ptmb> so I think a special page or site should be made, specifically by moderators, developers, and those who usually give support, on how to properly give support and all of such things
23:12:45 <ptmb> something like a "PortableApps.com Support Training Page/Site"
23:12:57 <MaienM> iirc, JTH was thinking of making a wiki on the site, which would be perfect for this
23:13:03 <MaienM> I might be wrong though
23:13:34 <TimClark> I know i have bookmarks to the most common questions that i can deal with
23:14:01 <ZachThibeau> which is general a good idea everyone should have handy if you are going to be participating in support
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23:14:23 <sar3th> i think it's a good idea, too
23:14:30 <ptmb> TimClark, that is great, but everyone should have those links available to them, and with some sort of canned response that explains all
23:14:50 <ptmb> that is why I think we should do something like that
23:15:05 <TimClark> ptmb: eveyone can have them , they just need to make them till we get a central spot
23:15:30 <TimClark> ptmb: i agree, but someone has to make and maintain it
23:15:37 <ptmb> TimClark, I agree
23:16:00 <ZachThibeau> I could host a general page on my blog at zachthibeau.com until a proper page on portableapps.com has been made
23:16:17 <ptmb> ZachThibeau, I think something more than just a page is necessary
23:16:58 <ZachThibeau> but the page can be a whiteboard until something can be done, or best of all something I've been meaning to do is setup a wiki on my site anyways
23:17:13 <ptmb> I think that works
23:17:31 <ZachThibeau> this way once the time comes you could copy and paste the data into portableapps.com once JTH gets to the idea
23:18:36 <ptmb> oh, sar3th, sorry to bother you, but when you are available, can you write that article on how to show bat files on the menu on the development forums?
23:18:43 <ZachThibeau> I'm setting up the wiki now, maybe we should get some volunteers to help contribute ideas to the wiki and generate a rough draft
23:19:06 <sar3th> ptmb: i'm working on it right now
23:19:08 <ptmb> i think we need a page for how to manage support
23:19:25 <ptmb> and then a page with a list linking to several canned responses
23:20:05 <ZachThibeau> well in a nutshell that was the direction I was going for :P guess I was misunderstood
23:20:10 <ptmb> we could grab some discussions from the logs so we know some questions
23:20:14 <ZachThibeau> thanks for clearing it up anyways
23:20:19 <ZachThibeau> and agreed
23:20:34 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm uploading mediawiki files to my server now
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23:20:57 <ptmb> and we should define which kind of support we give (if we give info about 3rd pary apps and such...)
23:21:28 <sar3th> and tools which we know can lead to improper results, like bat2exe solutions..
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23:22:23 <ptmb> I agree with sar3th
23:22:39 <ZachThibeau> if you guys want to get started on collecting data I'll let you know once the wiki is setup and then all you would have to do is paste what you have
23:22:47 <ptmb> ok ZachThibeau
23:23:37 <ptmb> one thing I want to point out is that this site (http://cubegames.net/development/faq) has some great questions and answers, but some are outdated
23:24:26 <ZachThibeau> I think to avoid the unfortunete but always an issue of wiki spam I may make users register to help prevent it from occuring
23:24:54 <ptmb> I agree
23:24:58 <daBomb69> ZachThibeau, agreed.
23:25:12 <daBomb69> Could we combine forum registration and Wiki registration perhaps?
23:25:34 <ptmb> daBomb69, this is a wiki made by ZachThibeau, so no integration
23:25:36 <MaienM> no, ZachThibeau's site is not tied to the pa forum.
23:25:57 <daBomb69> ptmb, I mean, if we get it onto PA.c
23:25:59 <ZachThibeau> this is just a sandbox for once john decides to make the official pa wiki
23:26:06 <ZachThibeau> thing
23:26:34 <MaienM> if JTH ever decides to make a wiki on pa.c it will probably be linked to the forum/site registrations, yes
23:26:46 <daBomb69> ah, ok.
23:28:25 <ZachThibeau> ok upload is (I would say) about 50% done
23:29:45 <TimClark> don't forget links to http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite and http://portableapps.com/node/20013
23:30:12 <sar3th> and handy .defs of GizmoBot
23:30:14 <TimClark> and the second one would of course be what ever the current beta is :P'
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23:30:35 <ZachThibeau> lol easy answer xD
23:30:51 <TimClark> sar3th: please don't make so many by the way, no one but you knows them
23:31:09 <ptmb> oh, yes, I think the home page of the wiki should be some sort of resource page with links to the instrctions on how to give support and links to the most common of the common questions
23:31:12 <sar3th> which is why i want to have them on the list
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23:34:43 <pa_5173> I was just on here asking about how to setup batch files in the menus and I have another question. How can I add icons to the menus for these batch files?
23:35:28 <ptmb> please wait a second as we organize pa_5173
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23:47:26 <ptmb> pa_5173, basically you need to add 4 images to App/appinfo with specific names and sizes
23:48:03 <ptmb> understood?
23:48:44 <ptmb> or, if oyu have the files in .ico format, 2 images
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23:49:16 <ptmb> can I go on explaining pa_5173?
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23:53:36 <TimClark> pa_5173: ptmb is waiting on you
23:54:37 <pa_5173> I tried a single *.ico file but it didn't pick it up
23:55:05 <ptmb> pa_5173, rename that file appicon.ico
23:55:22 <pa_5173> I trid that and refreshed but no luck
23:55:36 <pa_5173> trid=tried
23:56:26 <rcmaehl_dsi> May I suggest something?
23:56:31 <pa_5173> I even tried copying the FireFox *.ico and *.png files
23:56:36 <ptmb> rcmaehl_dsi, suggest it in -ot
23:56:59 <ptmb> pa_5173, try renaming it to appicon1.ico
23:57:47 <pa_5173> ahhh, that worked!!!
23:58:19 <ptmb> great! Is there anything else you need help with?
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