IRC Log from 2009-12-09
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00:47:49 <alexander_> hey all
00:47:53 <rcmaehl> OHAI
00:48:04 <alexander_> i have a worse than noob query
00:48:12 <rcmaehl> ?
00:48:38 <rcmaehl> what is it
00:48:40 <alexander_> do i install the platform straightaway to my usb? or locally first?
00:48:51 <Bensawsome> you download it to your hard drive
00:48:52 <rcmaehl> Straight away
00:48:56 <alexander_> ok
00:48:56 <Bensawsome> then install it to your usb drive
00:48:58 <Bensawsome> :)
00:49:02 <alexander_> haha
00:49:12 <alexander_> thanks
00:49:19 <rcmaehl> I choose run instead of save
00:49:23 <rcmaehl> Faster
00:49:33 <rcmaehl> but less relyible
00:49:37 <alexander_> ok
00:49:48 <rcmaehl> YW
00:49:49 <alexander_> and is there a way to sync a firefox and thunderbird install?
00:50:06 <alexander_> with the same add-ons and bells and whistles
00:50:56 <EvilChazz> FF and TB don't use the same addons, so no.
00:51:17 <alexander_> i guess i mean FF and TB respectively
00:51:24 <rcmaehl> eh
00:51:25 <alexander_> their respective add ons
00:51:32 <rcmaehl> hard but yes
00:51:34 <Bensawsome> oh
00:51:37 <alexander_> bummer
00:51:44 <Bensawsome> alexander_ try mozilla weave for firefox
00:51:52 <alexander_> ah yes
00:51:53 <Bensawsome> not sure how to do it in thunderbird though
00:52:00 <rcmaehl> copy and paste
00:52:04 <alexander_> weave works for TB i believe
00:52:28 <alexander_> copy and paste weave itself?
00:52:29 <Bensawsome> ya i dont use thunderbird so i dunno :/
00:52:32 <Bensawsome> no no no
00:52:41 <Bensawsome> if it says weave is only for firefox
00:52:47 <Bensawsome> DO NOT try and install it on thunderbird
00:52:59 <Bensawsome> it will more then likely screw it up
00:53:07 <alexander_> k
00:53:27 <alexander_> does FEBE work ?
00:53:31 <alexander_> on portable FF
00:53:47 <Bensawsome> yep
00:53:52 <alexander_> super
00:54:00 <Bensawsome> i've used it myself
00:54:04 <Bensawsome> works wonderfuly ^_^
00:54:14 <alexander_> febe + weave i think is the answer
00:54:18 <Bensawsome> ya
00:54:22 <Bensawsome> that sounds perfect
00:54:27 <Bensawsome> OH WAIT
00:54:31 <Bensawsome> alexander_ lemme show ya something
00:54:35 <alexander_> k
00:54:46 <Bensawsome> mozilla made this new extension
00:54:52 <Bensawsome> it's called addon collections
00:54:55 <Bensawsome> basically
00:55:02 <alexander_> yeah
00:55:02 <Bensawsome> you can make your own collection of addons
00:55:05 <Bensawsome> what i use it for
00:55:14 <Bensawsome> is to have the same extensions on all my ff installs
00:55:17 <Bensawsome> which is alot xD
00:55:22 <alexander_> so u save ur collection to the cloud or some such thing?
00:55:25 <Bensawsome> yep
00:55:26 <Bensawsome> then
00:55:35 <Bensawsome> alll you have to do
00:55:40 <alexander_> is load them all
00:55:43 <Bensawsome> is install the addons collection extension
00:55:47 <Bensawsome> it wont load them all
00:55:54 <Bensawsome> you still have to right click em and install
00:55:59 <alexander_> oh ok
00:56:07 <Bensawsome> but it still makes it ALOT easier to collection all your favorite addons in one place
00:56:16 <Bensawsome> i just made my own colections
00:56:18 <alexander_> how do u keep them all synced?
00:56:18 <Bensawsome> "my addons"
00:56:25 <alexander_> or can u keep them synced?
00:56:29 <Bensawsome> you dont keepo the settiongs syncve unfortunately
00:56:35 <Bensawsome> you have to install them individually
00:56:38 <alexander_> rats
00:56:46 <Bensawsome> but it's still alot eassiser then searching and installing
00:56:50 <alexander_> of course
00:57:01 <alexander_> its a pretty sharp idea regardless
00:57:05 <Bensawsome> yep ^_^
00:57:09 <Bensawsome> darnit where is it :/
00:57:30 <Bensawsome> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/
00:57:34 <Bensawsome> there is more info
00:57:46 <Bensawsome> but ya ^_^
00:58:06 <alexander_> how do u keep a local folder of docs or whatever - synced with ur USB drive without having to do anything
00:58:18 <alexander_> thats not a portable apps Q i guess - hehe
00:58:19 <Bensawsome> hmmmmmm
00:58:21 <Bensawsome> well
00:58:31 <Bensawsome> hmmm i dunno about that
00:58:31 <alexander_> synctoy or something?
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00:58:43 <Bensawsome> i mean i've never had to sync em :/
00:58:46 <Bensawsome> you could try that
00:58:49 <Bensawsome> i dunno though
00:59:28 <alexander_> if ur working on a txt or something and u save it locally - and want to take it on the go or whatever - what do u usually do?
01:00:03 <Bensawsome> i usually just keep all of my stuff on my usb drive >_<
01:00:04 <Bensawsome> well
01:00:07 <Bensawsome> portable hard drive
01:00:12 <Bensawsome> then when i need to i back it up
01:00:51 <Bensawsome> sorry dude :(
01:00:59 <Bensawsome> oh wait
01:01:05 <Bensawsome> i just thought of something you could try :D
01:01:14 <Bensawsome> have you heard of dropbox?
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01:01:33 <Bensawsome> or not
01:01:34 <Bensawsome> lol
01:01:46 <Bensawsome> well if he comes back show him this: http://wiki.dropbox.com/DropboxAddons/DropboxPortable
01:02:06 <Bensawsome> if im not here i mean :P
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01:02:32 <alexander_> argg
01:02:45 <alexander_> restarted without thinking after i loaded that add on
01:02:52 <alexander_> what did u last say?
01:03:33 <Bensawsome> oh ya
01:03:34 <Bensawsome> lol
01:03:41 <Bensawsome> ok alexander_ have you heard of dropbox?
01:05:28 <alexander_> ya
01:05:50 <Bensawsome> well there is a portable version of it alexander_
01:05:53 <alexander_> i tried it out and remember it being so painfully slow and it angering me
01:05:56 <Bensawsome> you could use that for it
01:05:57 <Bensawsome> O_O
01:06:00 <Bensawsome> it aint slow
01:06:01 <Bensawsome> well
01:06:09 <Bensawsome> depending on your connection speed
01:06:12 <alexander_> i didnt know there was a port version
01:06:18 <Bensawsome> if it's slow it's cause of your connection
01:06:24 <Bensawsome> yep: http://wiki.dropbox.com/DropboxAddons/DropboxPortable
01:06:25 <Bensawsome> try it
01:06:32 <Bensawsome> mnaybe that can help you sync em :D
01:06:32 <alexander_> but if ur not a paying acct isnt ur UL and DL capped?
01:06:37 <Bensawsome> nope
01:06:49 <alexander_> im gonna give it another shot
01:06:50 <Bensawsome> its unlimited bandwidth no matter what account type
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01:06:59 <Bensawsome> i've gotten about 10 mbs download once
01:07:05 <Bensawsome> same for upload
01:07:07 <alexander_> ben - you are true to your namesake - awesome
01:07:13 <Bensawsome> why thank you ^_^
01:07:30 <alexander_> no problemo
01:07:55 <alexander_> lets see what other knowledge i can get from ya - this is a great learning experience!
01:07:55 <Bensawsome> but ya. just install portable dropbox to ur usb drive and normal dropbox to your desktop computer and let it sync :D
01:07:59 <Bensawsome> lol
01:08:00 <Bensawsome> yep
01:08:02 <alexander_> ok
01:08:40 <alexander_> do u autorun the platform when u insert ur usb?
01:08:48 <Bensawsome> yep
01:09:01 <Bensawsome> there is no way to make the platform come up right away
01:09:09 <alexander_> and do u get all of ur apps from this portal?
01:09:10 <alexander_> oh really
01:09:17 <Bensawsome> there is always gonna be that confirmation box
01:09:23 <Bensawsome> most of em i get here
01:09:38 <Bensawsome> there are various apps which make their own portable version of their app
01:09:43 <Bensawsome> so i use that
01:09:44 <alexander_> i see
01:09:49 <Bensawsome> but most of em are from here
01:10:15 <Bensawsome> but unfortunately i rarely use my usb drive anymore
01:10:18 <alexander_> what would u say u primarily use ur drive for
01:10:20 <alexander_> hehe
01:10:23 <Bensawsome> lol
01:10:25 <Bensawsome> well
01:10:31 <Bensawsome> no a days is file transfer
01:10:37 <Bensawsome> but when i didnt have a laptop
01:10:42 <Bensawsome> i used it for firefox mainly
01:10:46 <Bensawsome> and a few games
01:10:48 <Bensawsome> lol
01:10:49 <alexander_> on other PCs?
01:10:52 <Bensawsome> yep
01:11:10 <Bensawsome> fortunely my school was quite open about usb drive
01:11:16 <alexander_> i see
01:11:24 <Bensawsome> i know some these days which are afraid they wilkl get viruses that way
01:11:25 <Bensawsome> LOL
01:11:26 <Bensawsome> in fgact
01:11:39 <Bensawsome> i used to intern at this place that didnt allow usb drives
01:11:40 <alexander_> what a bunch of bums
01:11:44 <alexander_> really?
01:11:46 <Bensawsome> i knoiw :/
01:11:51 <alexander_> prob cuz they saw boiler room
01:11:52 <Bensawsome> so me and the other it guys made a pic
01:11:54 <alexander_> or soemthing
01:11:55 <Bensawsome> one sec xD
01:12:17 <Bensawsome> lol need to find it thoguh
01:13:17 <Bensawsome> found it but i need to upload it :/
01:13:23 <Bensawsome> stupid college internet is SLOW
01:13:44 <alexander_> what kind of pic??
01:14:01 <Bensawsome> lol u will see
01:14:11 <Bensawsome> it is sfw though
01:14:19 <Bensawsome> sfw = safe for work
01:14:28 <Bensawsome> ie it isnt innapropriate
01:14:34 <alexander_> right
01:14:59 * Bensawsome stabs his college's internet
01:15:03 <Bensawsome> WOOOOOOORK
01:15:03 <Bensawsome> lol
01:15:13 <Bensawsome> *SIGH* im getting 1kb/s download...
01:15:13 <Bensawsome> wow
01:15:16 <alexander_> haha
01:15:22 <alexander_> thats atrocious
01:15:48 <alexander_> is FAT32 the preferred way to format ur usb for apps?
01:15:57 <Bensawsome> ya
01:16:01 <Bensawsome> well
01:16:05 <Bensawsome> the apps dont care
01:16:13 <Bensawsome> but it's better for the usb drive
01:16:32 <rcmaehl> I like ext3 format
01:16:58 <Bensawsome> well unfortunately that's linux only :P
01:17:06 <alexander_> i see
01:17:22 <alexander_> ya - u can run portable fedora os right?
01:17:25 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: it's stuff like that, which prevents you from being unbanned in -ot.
01:17:37 <rcmaehl> ah
01:17:41 <Bensawsome> here ya go alexander_: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/88521/Media/Pictures/LEARNzilla.JPG
01:17:51 <Bensawsome> security: your network is mine!
01:17:52 <Bensawsome> lol
01:18:02 <Bensawsome> but ya
01:18:16 <Bensawsome> they were afraid of a virus getting on the network
01:18:40 <Bensawsome> alexander_ oh and at portable fedora
01:18:48 <Bensawsome> i dunno about portable fedora
01:19:03 <Bensawsome> but i know some linux distrubtions allow you to make a bootable usb drive
01:19:08 <Bensawsome> like ubuntu for one
01:19:10 <alexander_> i see
01:19:15 <Bensawsome> but i've never checked out fedora
01:19:18 <alexander_> i wonder abt suse
01:19:26 <alexander_> suse its supposed to be cats PJs
01:19:38 <alexander_> hahaha
01:19:44 <alexander_> very nice pic
01:19:48 <Bensawsome> lol thanks
01:19:54 <Bensawsome> shoot, thats the unedited version
01:20:01 <alexander_> i dont even wanna know
01:20:10 <Bensawsome> under it is supposed to say SECURITY: Your netowkr is mine
01:20:11 <Bensawsome> lol
01:20:14 <Bensawsome> nothing bad dude :P
01:20:20 <alexander_> u rock the cruzer?
01:20:22 <Bensawsome> lol
01:20:24 <Bensawsome> yep
01:20:26 <Bensawsome> i got one myself
01:20:29 <alexander_> i just bought myself one of those lacies
01:20:35 <Bensawsome> and actually the one in the pic is mine xD
01:20:36 <Bensawsome> 4gb
01:20:42 <alexander_> nice
01:20:46 <Bensawsome> i want to get the 8gb titanium cruzer though
01:20:50 <alexander_> 15 mins of fame for ur usb
01:20:57 <Bensawsome> it can be runover by a car and it will be fine
01:21:28 <alexander_> thank god for that
01:21:38 <Bensawsome> yep
01:21:48 <alexander_> hehe
01:21:49 <Bensawsome> and they are reletively inexpensive these days
01:21:55 <alexander_> super inexpensive
01:21:58 * rcmaehl has an IronKey
01:22:11 <alexander_> you braggard!
01:22:14 <alexander_> hehe
01:22:22 <Bensawsome> oh the 16 gb is only 50 bucks on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Titanium-SDCZ7-016G-A11-Silver/dp/B001FOQI7O
01:22:32 <Bensawsome> that's a good price
01:22:39 <alexander_> thats a bargain
01:22:42 <Bensawsome> the 8gb used to be 70-100 bucks
01:22:49 <rcmaehl> I dropped my Ironkey from a 10 story window and it barely scratched
01:22:57 <Bensawsome> lol
01:23:02 <Bensawsome> ya ironkeys are good too
01:23:07 <Bensawsome> but they are way to exzpensive
01:23:13 <alexander_> i heard chuck norris tried to break his ironkey - and it ended in a truce
01:23:21 <rcmaehl> I hadz coupon code
01:23:25 <rcmaehl> z
01:23:36 <Bensawsome> lol ya alexander_ :P
01:23:41 <Bensawsome> how much and how many gb rcmaehl?
01:23:50 <rcmaehl> 16GB
01:24:08 <Bensawsome> how much did it cost >_>
01:24:33 <Bensawsome> jesus the 1gb is 80 bucks
01:24:38 <Bensawsome> 16gb is 300
01:24:50 <rcmaehl> half off with coupon
01:24:53 <alexander_> wow
01:24:54 <Bensawsome> WOW
01:24:55 <Bensawsome> nice
01:24:58 <alexander_> f'ing bargain
01:24:59 <Bensawsome> still
01:25:01 <Bensawsome> 150 bucks
01:25:07 <Bensawsome> that's alot for a simple usb drive
01:25:17 <Bensawsome> and do you REALLY need military grade security rcmaehl? :P
01:25:19 <rcmaehl> It's not just a simple falsh drive
01:25:23 <rcmaehl> Bensawsome: Yes
01:25:28 <rcmaehl> I have a business
01:25:33 <rcmaehl> Faincess
01:25:48 <rcmaehl> Employee Records
01:26:01 <alexander_> what are the features on it?
01:26:01 <rcmaehl> Bank INfo
01:26:03 <Bensawsome> lol
01:26:12 <rcmaehl> alexander_: go tot hte website
01:26:27 <rcmaehl> oh plus
01:26:29 <alexander_> ill do that
01:26:50 <Bensawsome> here ya go alexander_: https://store.ironkey.com/basic
01:26:52 <alexander_> but i guess i meant one's that are useful in ur experience - but nevermind
01:26:52 <Bensawsome> many moneies
01:27:39 <rcmaehl> moneies is such a harsh word
01:28:05 <rcmaehl> I prefer it to be called debt
01:28:08 <rcmaehl> card
01:28:34 <rcmaehl> *AR: INF* i'm getting -ot
01:30:15 <alexander_> bensawsome - which irc client do u use (portable or not)
01:30:27 <Bensawsome> xchat
01:30:29 <Bensawsome> it wins
01:30:30 <Bensawsome> lol
01:30:35 <Bensawsome> the free one
01:30:55 <Bensawsome> this one: http://www.silverex.org/news/
01:31:04 <Bensawsome> not the xchat.org one
01:31:07 <Bensawsome> those guys are mean
01:31:13 <Bensawsome> they made an originally open source app
01:31:18 <Bensawsome> then they changed it to not open source
01:31:39 <alexander_> thats lame-o
01:32:04 <Bensawsome> i know :/
01:32:39 <alexander_> and what are the worthwhile geek-esque channels
01:32:52 <Bensawsome> lol
01:32:53 <Bensawsome> well
01:32:58 <Bensawsome> irc in itself is geeky
01:33:03 <alexander_> sure sure
01:33:06 <Bensawsome> so you'll prbly be in luck with any of em
01:33:19 <Bensawsome> well
01:33:21 <Bensawsome> i should say most
01:33:30 <Bensawsome> there are some which are... not good persay
01:33:37 <Bensawsome> ie mostly trolls
01:34:14 <alexander_> which would u say are worth a darn?
01:34:49 <Bensawsome> well
01:34:50 <Bensawsome> lol
01:34:53 <Bensawsome> me being on 40
01:35:06 <Bensawsome> but usually it depends what you are interested in
01:35:20 <Bensawsome> there is a channel for windows, mac, and many linux distros
01:35:31 <Bensawsome> there is a channel for many open source programs
01:35:42 <Bensawsome> it all depends
01:35:54 <alexander_> ok
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01:37:16 <alexander_> ok im splitting for now - ben - many thanks my man - see u around
01:37:22 <Bensawsome> cya dude ^_^
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01:37:27 <Bensawsome> and no prob
01:37:28 <Bensawsome> lol
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03:41:43 <JohnTHaller1> hola
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04:56:37 <JohnTHaller> Thunderbird Portable 3.0 has just been posted: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-12-08_-_thunderbird_portable_3.0
05:06:30 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> =-O
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05:06:31 <Gizmokid2005> final?!
05:07:04 <Gizmokid2005> YAY!
05:07:55 <EvilChazz> JohnTHaller, nice! =D
05:08:52 <Gizmokid2005> Thanks JohnTHaller!
05:09:54 <Gizmokid2005> I didn't even know it went final yet...lol
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05:37:16 <JohnTHaller> yeah it just went final a bit ago
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11:43:14 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
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13:01:14 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005|AFK: I searched all through the m_bPortable occurrences, there's nothing there that could make it not do the OrganizationDefaults stuff
13:01:53 <ChrisMorgan> However, I did find http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/plugins-howto.html and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qsettings.html
13:03:13 <ChrisMorgan> I think it would be good if we recommended setFallbacksEnabled(false) for Qt applications (means it won't go looking for values in the system if it doesn't find "user-specific" portable ones)
13:05:46 <ChrisMorgan> And also that their QSettings instances should be passed an extra two arguments when in portable mode; QSettings::IniFormat, QSettings::UserScope
13:09:46 <ChrisMorgan> KVIrc doesn't use a QSettings object.
13:10:25 <ChrisMorgan> But the plugin cache does. Something's strange about it all, I don't see any way that you can stop Qt from creating the plugin cache registry junk.
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13:23:15 <rcmaehl_school> Eh, I just found out that there's a small glitch once you get past 50,000 .exe files on your drice
13:23:19 <rcmaehl_school> drive*
13:23:29 <ChrisMorgan> Meaning what?
13:24:05 <rcmaehl_school> When you rename an app it doesn't work until you restart the menu
13:24:20 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, you mean in the PortableApps.com Platform
13:24:25 <rcmaehl_school> Yeah
13:24:31 <ChrisMorgan> How many executables do you have in your list?
13:24:32 <EvilChazz> rcmaehl_school, why on earth would you /have/ over 50,000 apps in PAP?
13:25:14 <ChrisMorgan> EvilChazz: I hope you weren't taking him seriously?
13:25:14 <rcmaehl_school> EvilChazz: cuz i like apps, and I'm random
13:25:28 <rcmaehl_school> Yes, I do have over 50,000 apps
13:25:35 <rcmaehl_school> Compressed
13:25:39 <EvilChazz> ChrisMorgan, of course not. But, it's difficult to portray sarcasm over IRC.
13:25:56 <ChrisMorgan> EvilChazz: haven't you read WP:SARCASM?
13:26:07 <EvilChazz> erm... no? :P
13:26:10 <ChrisMorgan> The PortableApps.com Platform is not meant to cope with 50,000 applications
13:26:16 <ChrisMorgan> Do. You will find it enlightening.
13:26:31 * rcmaehl_school headdesks, I"M NOT LYING! The school system is just so strict
13:26:32 <ChrisMorgan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SARCASM
13:26:50 <ChrisMorgan> rcmaehl_school: what is the correct number of entries in your PortableApps.com Platform list?
13:27:05 <rcmaehl_school> eh
13:27:07 <rcmaehl_school> hold on
13:27:12 <rcmaehl_school> let me lauch the counter app
13:27:20 <ChrisMorgan> :S
13:27:22 <rcmaehl_school> launch*
13:27:41 <ChrisMorgan> Just say that there are N items per page, how many pages, plus the remainder
13:28:13 <ChrisMorgan> rcmaehl_school: EvilChazz says that there's no way in four stars you have 50,000 apps... wonder what he means ;-)
13:28:25 <EvilChazz> lol
13:28:40 <rcmaehl_school> .exe files: 61,281 average size: 4.08 MB
13:28:44 <ChrisMorgan> And quite frankly, I believe him. Though one star is enough for me... any more nearby and we'd roast.
13:29:02 <rcmaehl_school> eh
13:29:11 <rcmaehl_school> wow
13:29:19 <ChrisMorgan> So you have 250MB of executables?
13:29:26 <EvilChazz> That would be 250026.48 mb
13:29:37 <EvilChazz> ChrisMorgan, you were a few thousand MB off. :P
13:29:48 <ChrisMorgan> s/MB/00MB
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13:30:09 <ChrisMorgan> s/MB/GB/ :S
13:30:09 <EvilChazz> Which would be, if I am correct, ~244GB of .exe files
13:30:10 <rcmaehl_school> plus
13:30:27 <EvilChazz> 244.166484375GB according to Windows Calc. :P
13:30:33 <rcmaehl_school> yeah
13:30:40 <EvilChazz> rcmaehl_school, is this a /flash/ drive? Or an external HDD?
13:30:41 <rcmaehl_school> portable hard drvies rock
13:30:45 <rcmaehl_school> HDD
13:30:51 <rcmaehl_school> WHOOP!
13:31:21 <ChrisMorgan> EvilChazz: you're dealing with 1024MB/GB... depends on what you happen to be using whether it's 1024 or 1000...
13:31:30 <ChrisMorgan> rcmaehl_school: how big is this hypothetical hard drive?
13:31:32 <EvilChazz> ChrisMorgan, I went w/ 1024
13:31:38 <rcmaehl_school> 360GB
13:32:03 <ChrisMorgan> And how many dependencies (DLLs, images, files, etc.) are used by each?
13:32:16 <rcmaehl_school> Don't have a porgram for that
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13:32:35 <rcmaehl_school> average size include all the things in the apps folder
13:32:35 <ChrisMorgan> So... what /are/ these hypotheatrical programs?
13:32:54 <rcmaehl_school> and most of my apps are only .exe files
13:32:57 <ChrisMorgan> Oh. Then your ".exe files
13:33:01 <ChrisMorgan> " count is inaccurate
13:33:34 <rcmaehl_school> ?
13:33:36 <rcmaehl_school> How
13:33:58 <ChrisMorgan> If it's including files which don't match *.exe
13:34:06 <rcmaehl_school> eh
13:34:08 <rcmaehl_school> oh
13:34:11 <rcmaehl_school> Hold on
13:34:21 <rcmaehl_school> ...
13:34:36 <ChrisMorgan> Quite frankly, I don't believe you :-)
13:34:42 <ChrisMorgan> Did you expect me to?
13:34:42 <rcmaehl_school> Okay don't
13:34:50 <rcmaehl_school> Yes
13:34:56 <ChrisMorgan> How would you ever use more than 2-3% of them?
13:35:16 <rcmaehl_school> ChrisMorgan: One word: autorun
13:35:20 <EvilChazz> And, if you seriously have that many apps, perhaps you should be seeking mental help? Learning how to use that nice shiny 'Delete' key?
13:35:50 <rcmaehl_school> EvilChazz: last time i use the 'delete' key I went made deleting things
13:35:56 <rcmaehl_school> mad*
13:36:12 <ChrisMorgan> rcmaehl_school: systems don't tend to work very well with more than a couple of hundred processes running on them at all
13:36:29 <ChrisMorgan> And even that is stretching it
13:36:31 <rcmaehl_school> Virtual Pc App
13:36:44 <ChrisMorgan> That doesn't stop them demanding resources
13:36:58 <rcmaehl_school> eh.
13:37:01 <EvilChazz> And, VPCs aren't portable. :P
13:37:03 <rcmaehl_school> Gonna test that
13:37:22 <ChrisMorgan> Anyhow, sorry to disillusion you, but the PortableApps.com Platform isn't designed to cope with 61,281 entries in its list. We've called it "corner-case".
13:37:33 <rcmaehl_school> Whoa
13:38:05 <rcmaehl_school> that's a lot of lag on my pc...
13:38:29 <rcmaehl_school> Thank you alt+f4
13:38:48 <ChrisMorgan> rcmaehl_school: recite the list of your applications. Even 1% of your items (613, that is) from memory will satisfy me.
13:38:55 <rcmaehl_school> Okay... maybe 61,000 Apps are to much
13:39:33 <ChrisMorgan> And if you try running all 61,281 at once... your computer will never recover. Windows *will* die, guarranteed.
13:39:43 <rcmaehl_school> I didn't
13:39:51 <EvilChazz> ChrisMorgan, most things will make Windows die. :P
13:39:53 <rcmaehl_school> I ran about 120
13:39:58 <rcmaehl_school> eh
13:40:01 <ChrisMorgan> Even that's stretching it
13:40:08 <rcmaehl_school> got the ram low message
13:40:19 <ChrisMorgan> Computers are not designed to be run with more than a dozen or so applications at once.
13:40:48 <ChrisMorgan> And in my experience it's generally only computer programmers and the likes that get past that much.
13:41:18 * EvilChazz is running 131. :P
13:41:21 <ChrisMorgan> 32 windows open is more than I normally have open
13:41:25 <ChrisMorgan> EvilChazz: that's EVIL!
13:41:37 * EvilChazz was feeling evil today. :P
13:41:51 <EvilChazz> And, ChrisMorgan, it's only because of how Chrome make each tab = 1 process
13:41:56 <rcmaehl_school> *sigh8 deleting apps that are related.
13:42:34 <ChrisMorgan> 6 Explorer, 7 gVim, 6 Command Prompt, Picasa, 2 Process Explorer, NSIS Manual, 2 Python, 2 Inkscape, KVIrc, 2 Firefox, BPBible, Calculator
13:42:46 <ChrisMorgan> EvilChazz: I'm talking about windows, not processes.
13:42:58 <EvilChazz> erm, I knew that. :P
13:43:02 <ChrisMorgan> I've got 104 processes running
13:43:06 <EvilChazz> lol :o
13:43:15 <rcmaehl_school> ok, I'm down to 60,145 Apps
13:43:23 <ChrisMorgan> rcmaehl_school: :S
13:43:39 <ChrisMorgan> A lot of them probably have malware in them (I mean that seriously)
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13:43:50 <EvilChazz> Bai ChrisMorgan|Away D=
13:43:56 * rcmaehl_school now has a headache, which ones do i delete?
13:44:02 <EvilChazz> rcmaehl_school, do this:
13:44:05 <EvilChazz> Ctrl+A
13:44:07 <EvilChazz> Delete
13:44:08 <EvilChazz> :P
13:44:28 <rcmaehl_school> NEVER!
13:44:49 * EvilChazz thinks this conversation is now mostly -ot worthly
13:44:54 <EvilChazz> *worthy
13:44:59 * EvilChazz waddles over to the -o
13:45:01 <EvilChazz> *-ot
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13:58:10 <EvilChazz> ohai gluxon
13:58:53 <gluxon> Hi.
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14:15:46 <vicc_portugal> hi
14:15:50 <EvilChazz> hola
14:16:06 <vicc_portugal> todo bien?
14:16:09 <vicc_portugal> lol
14:16:39 <EvilChazz> lol
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14:43:52 <UweAlt> Hi - hope some of the web page responsibles are here?
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14:46:39 <UweAlt> Found an spam/advertising link: http://portableapps.com/apps/operating_systems/mac-on-stick sounds great, but the "mac-on-a-stick" homepage link only leads to a mobilephone ad page.
14:48:34 <Bensawsome> UweAlt must mean that they finally got rid of the page, it wasnt spam, it's just they havent updated their page and their domain must have expired
14:48:44 <Gizmokid2005> Thanks for the report UweAlt
14:49:17 <UweAlt> The instruction mentioned there is available on http://www.linuxbeacon.com/doku.php?id=minivmac instead - maybe you just change the linked URL?
14:49:26 <Bensawsome> that sucks though that they are gone :(
14:49:35 <Bensawsome> well it's all the choice of the site admin
14:49:43 <Bensawsome> I hope he does
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14:51:15 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan! :D
14:51:29 <ChrisMorgan> UweAlt: I'll see that John hears about that, thanks
14:52:09 <UweAlt> You're welcome.
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14:56:47 <ChrisMorgan> Reported.
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15:14:37 <vicc_portugal> hi sar3th
15:14:50 <sar3th> hello vicc_portugal :)
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15:19:21 <mysour> How can I change the icons of apps?
15:19:37 <ChrisMorgan> mysour: you don't
15:19:53 <mysour> Aw.
15:19:55 <ChrisMorgan> There's no need, so such functionality has never been implemented anywhere
15:20:00 <ChrisMorgan> Why would you want to?
15:20:20 <mysour> I've installed CDisplayEx and the icon sucks.
15:20:54 <ChrisMorgan> Where from?
15:21:22 <mysour> Where did I install it from?
15:21:31 <ChrisMorgan> yes
15:21:48 <mysour> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdisplayex/
15:21:56 <ChrisMorgan> So it's not portable
15:22:15 <mysour> It doesn't make changes to the registry and so the contents can be portable.
15:22:20 <ChrisMorgan> We don't/can't support non-PortableApps.com applications, sorry
15:22:30 <ChrisMorgan> The registry alone is not what makes a program un-portable.
15:22:49 <mysour> Well, this one works just fine from my PortableApps menu.
15:22:59 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, it may run, but that doesn't mean it's portable.
15:23:22 <ChrisMorgan> Does it keep all its settings with it? Very few (decent) applications do (by default at least).
15:23:32 <mysour> I believe it does.
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15:23:51 <mysour> Yup, it does.
15:24:46 <gluxon> So you just want the icon looking better right?
15:25:19 <mysour> Yeah, I found an awesome replacement from Deviantart, but the usual properties window offers no option.
15:25:55 <mysour> The other PortableApps apps, you can change the icons just by replacing the appicon with the wanted one.
15:26:16 <mysour> Just rename your icon to 'appicon.ico'
15:26:18 <ChrisMorgan> You could create the App\AppInfo directory and put in a new icon as appicon.ico
15:26:56 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry I'm not attentive... just setting about dealing with a whole pile of Inkscape win32 packaging bug reports which I just got told about...
15:28:54 <mysour> Is okay, just looking for solution, it's aight.
15:31:54 <vicc_portugal> do u have any doubts?
15:36:01 <sar3th> mysour: create App\Appinfo\appinfo.ini and add fill the file
15:36:31 <sar3th> mysour: you can follow this guide, just copy your application instead of the batch files ;) http://portableapps.com/node/21757
15:37:21 <mysour> I went ahead and used IcoFX Portable's resource editor to change the icon. It was a snap.
15:37:24 <mysour> Thanks though.
15:37:35 <mysour> I'll copy your method down, I may prefer it.
15:38:52 <sar3th> it doesn't alter the executables, some applications to a hash check before launching; the appinfo method would work on those nevertheless
15:40:27 <mysour> I'll check it out, thanks for your help.
15:40:57 <sar3th> :)
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15:41:05 <sar3th> you're welcome
15:54:44 <vicc_portugal> hey, a twitter client: http://www.yasst.org/ written in c++
15:55:23 <EvilChazz> O_O
15:55:25 <EvilChazz> EPIC!
15:55:30 <EvilChazz> vicc_portugal, what's the license on it?
15:55:51 <EvilChazz> erm, wait, we can do freeware now... :P
15:55:56 <EvilChazz> *headdesks*
15:55:58 <vicc_portugal> i can't find the source code
15:56:12 <EvilChazz> Yeah, looks to me like just freeware
15:56:30 <vicc_portugal> what about it?
15:56:57 <EvilChazz> Looks... awesome...
15:58:12 <gluxon> :)
15:58:14 <gluxon> C++!!! :D
15:58:32 <gluxon> So, wait, is it OSS or Freeware?
15:58:43 <sar3th> looks more like freeware to me than oss
15:58:48 <sar3th> and Qt!!! :D
15:58:49 <vicc_portugal> agreed
15:59:08 <EvilChazz> lol
15:59:40 <ZachThibeau> eww qt
15:59:47 <gluxon> The source isn't included :(
15:59:49 <ZachThibeau> at least it's C++ and not adobe air though
15:59:52 <gluxon> Or at least I don't think so.
16:00:02 <gluxon> ZachThibeau: You made a QT browser Portable :/
16:00:45 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: I don't care, I'm just not a fan of qt, I'll use them but I don't like them, I'm more of a wxwidgets fan
16:00:50 <MaienM> seeing how he uses the LGPL version of Qt its probably not oss
16:01:08 <EvilChazz> MaienM, looks freeware from what I can see.
16:01:14 <sar3th> though he clains to use the gpl version ;)
16:01:26 <sar3th> lol
16:01:27 <MaienM> "Yasst is built using the Qt, the cross platform development framework by Nokia. This is licenced under the Lesser GPL version 2.1. For more information see the Qt website."
16:01:31 * sar3th fails at reading
16:01:40 <sar3th> i overlooked the "lesser" :(
16:01:54 <gluxon> Doesn't matter.
16:02:04 <gluxon> Could still be easily portablalized.
16:02:05 <sar3th> anyhow, nice find vicc_portugal
16:02:10 <gluxon> Since it's in C++ :D
16:02:16 <vicc_portugal> and the next is better
16:02:20 <gluxon> ?
16:02:24 <gluxon> OH.
16:02:25 <gluxon> :D
16:02:25 <ChrisMorgan> LGPL is better than GPL
16:02:29 <vicc_portugal> delphi & oss: http://tekblues.com/?page_id=171
16:02:31 <ChrisMorgan> MIT is better than either
16:03:05 <ChrisMorgan> Qt still leaves its mess in the registry... haven't managed to track it down yet (Gizmokid2005)
16:03:27 <Gizmokid2005> Hummm
16:03:30 <Gizmokid2005> alright ChrisMorgan
16:03:50 <ChrisMorgan> I don't see how the portable switch can be changing anything with it.
16:04:20 <vicc_portugal> delphi & oss: http://tekblues.com/?page_id=171
16:04:34 <ChrisMorgan> There's just no active code. All it does is change the settings path in one place and 'return true' in another, thus skipping file association stuff
16:04:38 <sar3th> vicc_portugal: the link is still loading :(
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16:05:12 <sar3th> looks okay to me
16:05:51 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't look like you can tweet using it though, just a checker
16:07:31 <sar3th> it looks like you're right :(
16:09:18 <vicc_portugal> http://sourcewalker.net/software/tway/
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16:11:57 <vicc_portugal> hey, do u want a oss app written in c and c++?
16:12:38 <vicc_portugal> http://stickytweets.codeplex.com/
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16:31:06 <vicc_portugal> bye
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17:28:11 <vicc_portugal> hi
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18:36:03 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
18:36:10 <SteveLamerton> Hi ZachThibeau, all
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18:43:09 <ZachThibeau> so whats new SteveLamerton
18:43:43 <SteveLamerton> Not much, just doing more Toucan 3 work, I see a number of 2.2.1 bugs have cropped up so I guess there will be a 2.2.2 releaese
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18:44:23 <ZachThibeau> hmm fun
18:45:17 <ZachThibeau> I'm just recompiling qt and realized how much I love wxwidgets more than qt, reason #1 wxwidgets doesn't take 20 minutes to compile on a 3gig of ram 2.0 ghz dual core processor >_>
18:46:29 <SteveLamerton> Wow, I actually downloaded qt the other day, havent got round to looking at it though
18:47:27 <ZachThibeau> well I recompiled it to be a static build and get phonon support but it takes a long time to configure and then make :/
18:48:46 <sar3th> that's because it offers WAY much more that wxwidgets, sorry, but it's true
18:49:04 <ZachThibeau> you obviously don't know about wxcode :P
18:49:17 <sar3th> no, i mean it
18:49:22 <sar3th> it includes webkit eG
18:49:26 <ZachThibeau> it offers just as much if not more ;)
18:49:58 <ZachThibeau> default library only contains what is neccessary unlike qt which offers unneccessary components
18:50:23 <sar3th> you can --disable-any-component, just check with --help
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18:50:28 <ZachThibeau> however the wxcode can provide components that can extend wxwidgets to be pretty much equal to qt
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19:46:04 <computerfreaker> Hi guys! :)
19:46:44 <ZachThibeau> hey computerfreaker
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21:21:30 <SteveLamerton> Blog post, The Future of Toucan - Part 2: http://portableapps.com/node/21825
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21:24:07 <ZachThibeau> :O SteveLamerton I didn't know you had steam on your computer :P
21:24:15 <SteveLamerton> Indeed I do ;)
21:25:02 <ZachThibeau> lol awesome
21:27:51 <SteveLamerton> Play a fair bit of Team Fortress 2, or rather I did when I had a decent connection ;)
21:29:41 <ZachThibeau> lol
21:29:52 <ZachThibeau> I play Half life 2 death match :P
21:30:17 <SteveLamerton> :P Get a real multiplayer game ;)
21:30:44 <ZachThibeau> I have it's Called Halo :P
21:30:50 <ZachThibeau> and Halo CE and Halo 2 :P
21:31:36 <ZachThibeau> ohh an nexuiz :D
21:32:42 <SteveLamerton> :) It is any good?
21:33:03 <ZachThibeau> ask Gizmokid2005 ;)
21:33:35 <ZachThibeau> brb
21:34:13 <Gizmokid2005> Nexuiz is, yes :)
21:35:04 <SteveLamerton> Maybe I will give it a go :)
21:36:17 <Gizmokid2005> I'm still the master :)
21:36:30 <Gizmokid2005> sar3th, MaienM, ZachThibeau - none of them can beat me...even in a 3v1 :)
21:36:43 <SteveLamerton> :O
21:41:49 <MaienM> yeah :P
21:42:02 <MaienM> I recently scored 5-30 playing against him
21:42:11 <MaienM> and I think that was the best I've ever did
21:42:44 <Gizmokid2005> that's the best anyone has done :)
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21:48:02 <sar3th> well, it's lame since MaienM and i have pings around 300ms :(
21:50:55 <Gizmokid2005> no
21:50:58 <Gizmokid2005> it's 150ms
21:51:23 <sar3th> last time i played, it was 300 :(
21:51:43 <MaienM> it varies :P
21:51:57 <MaienM> but average is 200-300 ish
21:52:08 <MaienM> for me at least
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22:14:45 <computerfreaker> Hi gluxon, you there? :)
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22:31:20 <ZachThibeau> got to go guys, company is here at my house
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22:45:08 <pa_9049> hi....someone can help me?
22:45:37 <computerfreaker> pa_9049: sure, what's up?
22:46:08 <pa_9049> i would like to know if there is a specific process to update my portable apps in my usb stick
22:46:35 <computerfreaker> well, you could use the PortableApps.com RSS feed to be notified when apps are updated
22:46:38 <pa_9049> for example if i have to unistall firefox 3.5 before install firefox 3.6
22:46:43 <computerfreaker> oh, no
22:46:55 <computerfreaker> just install right over the top of the app that's there already
22:47:01 <pa_9049> it works just as a normal update?
22:47:08 <computerfreaker> yes
22:47:17 <computerfreaker> although, since FF 3.6 is a beta, you probably don't want to install over the top of FF 3.5 ;)
22:47:21 <pa_9049> even if i have packed executables?
22:47:27 <computerfreaker> shouldn't be a problem
22:47:57 <pa_9049> because i'm trying to pack them to have a smc exe
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22:48:13 <pa_9049> with a K-execution
22:48:14 <computerfreaker> well, I don't think there will be a problem there
22:48:41 <computerfreaker> maybe try backing up your portable apps, then try overwriting and see what happens
22:49:05 <pa_9049> portable apps are free for every use or i have to analyse every single license?
22:49:32 <computerfreaker> PortableApps.com portable apps are generally open-source, which means you can use them for every use
22:49:56 <computerfreaker> all freeware apps (and some open-source apps) will have a license attached; for freeware, you'll need to read the license
22:50:02 <computerfreaker> for OSS, you probably don't need to worry about it
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22:53:03 <pa_9049> wondeful :D
22:53:24 <pa_9049> thx and goodbye!
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23:00:11 <computerfreaker> gluxon: are you there?
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23:30:05 <computerfreaker> gluxon: are you there? (Sorry to keep asking, just saw you came back)
23:30:37 <gluxon> Sorry.
23:30:49 <computerfreaker> That's OK, no worries :)
23:30:51 <gluxon> To keep you waiting :D
23:31:03 <computerfreaker> that's OK :)
23:31:06 <gluxon> :)
23:31:30 <computerfreaker> Just wondering if you got a chance to check the Orb-hiding thing in KidSafe?
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23:31:47 <computerfreaker> I'm *hoping* to get it officially released soon, and I'd like to clear the buglist first ;)
23:31:49 <gluxon> Ill check it now :P
23:31:54 <computerfreaker> thanks
23:31:57 <gluxon> I was suppose to do it last week :P
23:31:59 <gluxon> Sorry.
23:32:25 <computerfreaker> no problem, I know how it goes
23:32:37 <computerfreaker> I'm frequently overdue on things too
23:34:24 <gluxon> BTW, great simple app :D
23:34:40 <computerfreaker> thanks! :D
23:34:55 <gluxon> :)
23:35:02 <gluxon> Orb was definately fixed :D
23:35:09 <computerfreaker> YESS!!! :D
23:35:14 <computerfreaker> thanks for the testing! :D
23:35:31 * computerfreaker marks bug as fixed
23:35:42 <gluxon> :/
23:35:43 <gluxon> Wow.
23:35:56 <gluxon> It's no longer simple from last time I ran it :/
23:35:57 <gluxon> :P
23:36:42 <computerfreaker> I know
23:37:02 <computerfreaker> people asked for new features, and I added them... people reported bugs, and I fixed them
23:37:08 <computerfreaker> typical app development... :(
23:37:43 <computerfreaker> it's still pretty simple, though; the default settings are good enough for most people once they set the things to block
23:39:23 <computerfreaker> gluxon: do you want me to make it simpler again?
23:39:37 <computerfreaker> I could probably do that with little/no trouble
23:40:00 <gluxon> Um.. no :P
23:40:08 <gluxon> BTW,
23:40:29 * gluxon doesn't think John'll appreciate you using SCREWING in the appinfo.ini :P lol! :D
23:40:36 <gluxon> Just a thought.
23:40:36 <computerfreaker> huh?
23:40:59 <gluxon> young kids from SCREWING something up.
23:41:14 <computerfreaker> what do you mean? I haven't been in appinfo.ini except to update the version #...
23:41:54 <gluxon> :/
23:41:56 <gluxon> O_O
23:42:46 * computerfreaker checks appinfo.ini
23:43:08 <computerfreaker> hmm, looks standard... did I do something wrong?
23:43:28 <computerfreaker> :idea: Wait, on re-reading your comment it looks like a joke...
23:44:24 <gluxon> It was :/
23:44:47 <computerfreaker> sorry... :S
23:45:01 <computerfreaker> I typically take things seriously, especially in the absence of body language cues
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23:46:22 <gluxon> :P
23:46:56 <gluxon> BTW, Screw = Slang for F****. F*** = slag for... uh.... you know what...
23:47:24 <computerfreaker> uh-oh
23:47:33 * computerfreaker thinks it's time to get a new app description
23:48:50 <computerfreaker> gluxon: so, is there anything I can do for you? I'd like to repay the testing favor...
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23:49:07 <gluxon> No!! :(
23:49:07 <gluxon> I barely did anything :/
23:49:29 <computerfreaker> You did a lot, actually; that bug report & subsequent test was really big
23:49:40 <computerfreaker> I got to cross off the last known major bug
23:49:49 <computerfreaker> so if there's anything I can do for you... maybe test one of your apps?
23:51:50 <gluxon> Nope :P
23:52:06 <gluxon> Okay... come catch me in a game of tag.
23:52:15 <gluxon> Good luck crossing half the nation :P
23:53:20 <computerfreaker> lol
23:53:50 <computerfreaker> wait, how would you know where I am? 0_0
23:55:37 <computerfreaker> actually, come to think of it, there is something I can & will do for you
23:55:48 <computerfreaker> http://portableapps.com/node/21809#comment-136113
23:55:49 <computerfreaker> :)
23:57:06 <gluxon> Oh yeah :P
23:57:07 <gluxon> lol.
23:57:27 <computerfreaker> where do you want me to upload that video?