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01:54:21 <Alcasar> Hi
01:54:44 <Alcasar> I'v just got a trojan, Not a false positive, in autirun.inf
01:55:02 <Alcasar> oops autorun
01:55:20 <computerfreaker> Alcasar, what AV do you have? And what does it say?
01:55:58 <computerfreaker> Also, what file gets flagged? Just autorun.inf?
01:56:14 <Alcasar> Antivir says TR/Autorun.TE.4
01:56:38 <computerfreaker> ok, and what file(s) does it list?
01:56:38 <Alcasar> but i checked with http://virusscan.jotti.org/fr/scanresult/3196de3651333e2cc4b22d08e3f53a070d2d00d9
01:57:07 <Alcasar> yep, just autorun.inf
01:57:30 <Alcasar> weird as it's just a text file, right
01:59:01 <Alcasar> after deleting the file i scanned my whole key and got no other hits
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02:04:21 <OliverK> Alcasar: yeah, its just a text file
02:04:52 <Alcasar> then how can it be a trojan
02:05:04 <OliverK> false positive
02:05:08 <OliverK> the av is over reacting
02:05:50 <OliverK> we'd have to know the contents of the autorun.inf to be absolutely sure
02:06:07 <Alcasar> from 18 out of 21 virus scanners
02:06:10 <computerfreaker> sorry about that, I had to go for a second
02:06:18 <OliverK> but my guess is if the autorun was bing manipulated, the av should have found the manipulator
02:06:21 <OliverK> howdy computerfreaker
02:06:30 <computerfreaker> Alcasar, can you post the contents of autorun.inf to pastebin, then post the pastebin link?
02:06:36 <computerfreaker> Hi OliverK :)
02:06:48 <Alcasar> nope deleted the file
02:06:59 <computerfreaker> :O
02:07:04 <Alcasar> http://virusscan.jotti.org/fr/scanresult/3196de3651333e2cc4b22d08e3f53a070d2d00d9
02:07:05 <computerfreaker> probably not a bad idea, on second thought
02:07:28 <Alcasar> they do give the md5
02:07:44 <computerfreaker> sorry, I don't speak French... what does "Pas de résultats trouvés" mean?
02:08:03 <Alcasar> no result
02:08:25 <computerfreaker> http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/3196de3651333e2cc4b22d08e3f53a070d2d00d9
02:08:39 <computerfreaker> is that identical to the French page, just with the text translated?
02:09:03 <Alcasar> yes
02:09:10 <computerfreaker> should be clean then :)
02:09:16 <computerfreaker> the AV probably over-reacted
02:09:19 <computerfreaker> that happens sometimes
02:09:42 <Alcasar> ???
02:09:47 <computerfreaker> AutoRun has been used to spread a LOT of attacks, so a lot of AV software is especially suspicious of autorun.inf
02:09:57 <Alcasar> 18 found out of 21
02:10:14 <computerfreaker> wait - 18 scanners DETECTED a virus?
02:10:36 <Alcasar> what 'did' they find? just a normal autorun.inf text file?
02:10:44 <Alcasar> yes
02:10:47 * computerfreaker wishes you still had the file
02:10:56 <computerfreaker> they *probably* found a normal autorun.inf file
02:11:03 <computerfreaker> there's no way to be certain, since you deleted it
02:11:21 <Alcasar> Does the md5 match the normal file?
02:11:29 <computerfreaker> "normal" depends on the flash drive
02:11:39 <Alcasar> ah
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02:11:51 <Alcasar> didn't know that
02:11:51 <computerfreaker> autorun.inf is just a simple preferences file; it contains a list of programs you want to run when the flash drive is inserted into the computer
02:12:08 <computerfreaker> since it varies from flash drive to flash drive, there is no normal autorun.inf
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02:12:27 <computerfreaker> so there's no way of checking based on anything other than the actual contents of autorun.inf
02:12:28 <Alcasar> ok but it was just the file that installs with the portable apps platform
02:12:35 <computerfreaker> you should be good then
02:12:52 <computerfreaker> 18 false positives seems like a lot, but I reckon it *could* happen... :S
02:13:26 <Alcasar> mmm ... if the scanners are that unreliable ...
02:13:47 <computerfreaker> Alcasar, I'd recommend getting several scanners (Ad-Aware, MalwareBytes Anti-Malware, Spybot Search and Destroy, Avast) and scanning your entire system
02:13:56 <computerfreaker> it'll probably take awhile, but it's well worth it
02:14:20 <Alcasar> It's not 'my' system
02:14:21 <computerfreaker> each of those AV programs is free, so you're trading time for security & peace of mind
02:14:37 <computerfreaker> oh
02:14:48 <computerfreaker> whose system is it? Public computer, or maybe a friend's?
02:15:02 <Alcasar> parents
02:15:03 <computerfreaker> (don't bother answering that if you don't want to)
02:15:25 <Alcasar> my brother is in charge of it
02:15:32 <computerfreaker> if your parents are willing, I'd run the AV stuff
02:15:35 <Alcasar> i'm just a user
02:16:10 <Alcasar> I'd like to know how and where i got that trojan if trojan there was
02:16:21 <computerfreaker> well, the virus warning should be enough to convince your parents/brother to let you run the AV stuff
02:17:04 <computerfreaker> as for where you got a trojan from... maybe warez (if you or your family use/used any), file-sharing (LimeWire is infamous for this), or even a hacked site (even Google's been hacked before)
02:18:42 <Alcasar> no warez and no file-sharing recently (last couple of years)
02:19:02 <computerfreaker> have you run any AV since you stopped warez & file-sharing?
02:19:11 <computerfreaker> I mean a full-system scan with multiple scanners, btw
02:20:24 <Alcasar> the only up to date scanner i can have for 'my' system is clanwin portable and i use it
02:20:52 <Alcasar> as for this system, no one ever did warez or file-sharing on it
02:21:10 <computerfreaker> has the flash drive been in the file-sharing computer before?
02:21:43 <Alcasar> yes, my computer and public computers
02:22:02 <computerfreaker> ok...
02:22:10 <computerfreaker> either you've gotten a false positive (not very likely)
02:22:20 <computerfreaker> or you got a virus from one of the public computers the flash drive's been in
02:23:53 <Alcasar> probably the public computer, but they reset the computers every day with a kind of ghost or something and they have virus scanners
02:24:20 <computerfreaker> you mentioned the flash drive's been in the file-sharing computer, too... could have come from there
02:24:30 <Alcasar> how could the 'autorun.inf' file be infected? that seems weird some how
02:24:33 <computerfreaker> a lot of viruses automatically spread to flash drives (Conficker being the best-known example)
02:24:46 <computerfreaker> autorun.inf isn't itself infected, but is pointing to an infected file
02:25:09 <Alcasar> but no infected file has been detected
02:25:09 <computerfreaker> something like Conficker could obfuscate autorun.inf, too, so humans can't see the programs in the list
02:25:16 <computerfreaker> that's a red flag for AV
02:26:43 <computerfreaker> and btw, AV software frequently doesn't detect viruses ("false-negatives")
02:26:52 <computerfreaker> Conficker, for example, had extremely low detection rates
02:27:05 <computerfreaker> so there are really any number of possibilities right now
02:27:46 <OliverK> computerfreaker: it had low detection rates, but when it was known there were multiple ways to find out if a computer had it
02:27:53 <OliverK> using nmap was a famous example
02:28:32 <Alcasar> so the infected file could still be there and antivir would not necessarily detect it
02:28:44 <computerfreaker> correct
02:29:05 <OliverK> but, if the computer is infected, it should recreate the autorun, right?
02:29:07 <Alcasar> mmm ... any Online scanners that would?
02:29:15 <computerfreaker> OliverK: I was just using Conficker as an example
02:29:27 <OliverK> yep
02:29:27 <computerfreaker> and I'm guessing it would recreate autorun.inf, but idk for sure
02:29:32 <OliverK> Alcasar: virus total
02:29:37 <Alcasar> OliverK, not if it's a file on the key
02:29:37 <computerfreaker> or Jotti
02:29:44 <OliverK> has 41 scanners
02:29:55 <OliverK> Alcasar: if it propogates
02:30:02 <Alcasar> Jotti for the whole computer?
02:30:04 <OliverK> i'm not sure with viruses, not really my area of expertise
02:30:07 <OliverK> nah
02:30:26 <OliverK> i think trend micro had a 'house call' thing
02:30:39 <OliverK> there's also the microsoft malicous software removal tool
02:30:41 <Alcasar> ya i'v used housecall
02:30:54 <Alcasar> microsoft???
02:31:18 <computerfreaker> Microsoft has a good, free (AFAICT) scanner - Microsoft Forefront Client Security
02:31:30 <computerfreaker> and it is FAST to hit viruses
02:31:37 <computerfreaker> of course, it isn't perfect
02:31:47 <computerfreaker> but it absolutely slammed a virus I was analyzing
02:32:20 <Alcasar> microsoft and good, rarely see those words together. ;-)
02:32:26 <computerfreaker> true... lol
02:32:40 <computerfreaker> and just for the record, I'm not affiliated with MS in *any* way
02:32:45 <OliverK> night all
02:32:49 <OliverK> sorry to run
02:32:51 <computerfreaker> bye OliverK!
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02:33:22 <Alcasar> so basicaly it has nothing to do with portableapps, probably just and autorun targeting virus
02:33:30 <computerfreaker> pretty much
02:34:06 <Alcasar> will my portable apps work whith out the autorun
02:34:09 <computerfreaker> PortableApps is virus-free; it just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time
02:34:13 <computerfreaker> and yes, it'll work without autorun
02:34:23 <computerfreaker> just double-click the appropriate launcher
02:34:29 <computerfreaker> like you would with any file
02:34:48 <Alcasar> ok, that's what i always do anyways
02:34:57 <computerfreaker> good :)
02:36:12 <computerfreaker> anything else we can help you with?
02:36:30 <Alcasar> ya, how can i use Jotti to scan my key?
02:36:37 <computerfreaker> just a sec
02:37:26 <computerfreaker> http://virusscan.jotti.org/en
02:37:34 <computerfreaker> upload the appropriate file(s)
02:38:18 <Alcasar> mmm one file at a time it's going to be long
02:38:26 <computerfreaker> sorry :(
02:39:01 <Alcasar> ok thanks
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02:39:13 <computerfreaker> np
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20:06:30 <pa_9175> I'm a newb....short on attention too....I just d/l the suite. It's on the hard drive. Do I move the whole file over to the flash drive or do I install it on my hard drive and then move it?
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20:07:36 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9175: just install it directly to your flash drive.
20:07:57 <pa_9175> thanks
20:08:03 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
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21:26:56 <qwertymodo> Gizmokid2005: Songbird Portable 1.4.1 is looking awesome. Can't wait for the release.
21:27:09 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: thanks :)
21:27:22 <Gizmokid2005> I've packaged up 1.4.2, which only has some minor UI tweaks for one bug on upgrading from 1.2
21:27:33 <Gizmokid2005> otherwise it's all the same. Now we just wait on John.
21:28:23 <qwertymodo> yeah. not that my opinion counts or anything, but I vote for the unified splash. the new SB splash is pretty cool
21:28:46 <Gizmokid2005> I do like it, my only qualm with that, is that it takes a bit to show up, unlike the launcher's splash.
21:29:27 <qwertymodo> yeah, it was about 3 seconds slower for me. but it does stay up until the program actually launches, unlike the launcher splash
21:29:53 <Gizmokid2005> yep, because they have the parameters for that...they can check to see when the main window launches.
21:33:32 <qwertymodo> yeah, that's why I tend to prefer integrated splashes
21:33:45 <Gizmokid2005> Yup, so we shall see
21:33:56 <Gizmokid2005> maybe we'll plan that with the Songbird team on a future release
21:35:08 <qwertymodo> well, I have a brand new 750gb WD external that is severely lacking in PAM 2.0 and RawkSD 3.0, but I suppose SB will have to do for now :)
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21:42:10 <Gizmokid2005> lol qwertymodo,I hear ya. I'm glad to hear all is well with it :0
21:42:12 <Gizmokid2005> *:)
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21:55:02 <gluxon> Ben|Adium: There? :D I forgot my download manager password. Again :/
21:59:23 <Ben|Adium> lol...
21:59:24 <Ben|Adium> k
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22:00:39 <Ben|Adium> lol
22:01:16 <Ben|Adium> gluxon: you there? >_>
22:01:22 <Ben|Adium> i pm'd u ur new pass
22:03:43 <Ben|Adium> lol i guess he doesnt want it xD
22:08:35 <pa_9175> songbird is crashing from a new install. How do I delete the app? Do I just delete the folder?
22:09:50 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9175: just delete the folder, yes
22:09:57 <Gizmokid2005> do you get any errors?
22:09:59 <pa_9175> thanks
22:10:12 <pa_9175> error is the database is corrupt...or something to that effect
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22:10:54 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9175: something in the data isn't right. Rename the Data folder and launch it again
22:10:57 <Gizmokid2005> (close it first of course
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22:11:28 <pa_9175> will do
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22:22:11 <pa_9175> I reinstalled songbird. The splash screen came on and then nothing...it went away and there's no active window. The program is running but won't show a window. Maybe it won't work on Windows 7?
22:22:34 <pa_9175> any clues? Not a necessary app so I can just delete it
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22:23:48 <pa_9175> I shoulda waited a few more seconds...it took a long time to bring up the install options
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22:29:03 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9175: it just takes a while, it's a big app. It works fine for me on Win
22:29:05 <Gizmokid2005> *Win7
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22:35:02 <pa_9175> ok, finally songbird is running...man, if it takes that long regularly then I don't think it'll stay as a portable app
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22:35:20 <Gizmokid2005> it shouldn't normally
22:35:27 <Gizmokid2005> but on a slower drive it'll take quite a while to start up
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