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00:08:33 <BrianALL> Hello.
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00:54:37 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test it and give feedback
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01:57:37 <pa_0291> why wont my app show up on the platform
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02:02:22 <[michael]> Hello,
02:02:36 <[michael]> would anyone know how to unistall an app?
02:03:58 <[michael]> hello?
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02:21:59 <ZachThibeau> [michael]: sorry for the late reply, but all you have to do is go to where PortableApps is installed to and remove the folder that contains the app you want to remove and refresh the platform and voila app has been removed
02:22:37 <ASL4U> wondering if anyone out there can help me - I'm trying out GeanyPortable and I want to figure out how to make it save as a text file - with the extention automatically applied to the file name
02:23:11 <ASL4U> I've tried to figure out how to make a template - but the program doesnt seem to recognize that I've put a new file in there
02:23:36 <ZachThibeau> you need to append the file extention manually other than that I couldn't tell you any more since I never really used GeanyPortable
02:23:44 <ASL4U> any ideas... surely there should be an easy way - it saves in a whole list of programming languages... - but not txt..
02:24:20 <ASL4U> sigh... ok... thanks
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02:25:31 <ZachThibeau> PatrickPatience: how have you been?
02:26:16 <PatrickPatience> ZachThibeau: Pretty good, thanks for asking. Yourself?
02:26:53 <ZachThibeau> working on my own compile of XChat that utilizes minigtk :)
02:27:53 <ZachThibeau> once I get that worked out I'll be porting my changes to PChat too
02:28:15 <ZachThibeau> but my builds will be a way to get XChatPortable working again :)
02:28:23 <ZachThibeau> but as a smaller package too :P
02:30:31 <ZachThibeau> and because of how John Feels about YChat I'm setting everything as XChat for this build :P
02:46:55 <PatrickPatience> How does he feel about it?
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03:19:55 <ZachThibeau> sorry PatrickPatience I was focusing on my compile xD and you don't remember, he doesn't like what zed did to the windows one by makeing it shareware and forcing thirdparty compiles to be YChat
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06:48:06 <JohnTHaller> hi all
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07:21:37 <pa_9916> how can i add the platform and the apps to my ipod so i can use it as an external drive?
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18:48:25 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test it and give feedback
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21:00:05 <computerfreaker> Hi gluxon!
21:01:23 <gluxon> Hey computerfreaker :P
21:01:56 <computerfreaker> I see you just upgraded eXpresso; did my changes work OK?
21:02:21 <gluxon> Yeah.
21:02:40 <computerfreaker> that's good, I wasn't sure how well they'd hold up
21:02:47 <gluxon> I made one adjustment. The launcher should have been handling the settings file though, not the AHK.
21:02:51 <gluxon> :)
21:02:56 <gluxon> Thanks though :P
21:02:59 <computerfreaker> np
21:03:10 <computerfreaker> Didn't I add the DefaultData handling to the launcher as well?
21:04:19 <computerfreaker> huh, apparently I didn't
21:04:26 <computerfreaker> I thought I had done that... even added DefaultData\Settings\eXpresso.ini (blank of course) just to be sure it would actually work
21:05:11 <computerfreaker> btw, I added that code to the AHK just to be absolutely certain Data\Settings would exist (unless the user did something majorly screwy, in which case it wouldn't be eXpresso's fault anyway)
21:05:34 <gluxon> Well, the only change you made was the MessageBoxes in the launcher :P. You added some settings stuff in the AHK file.
21:05:53 <gluxon> Well actually, you know when I had the weird menu problem? :P
21:05:59 <computerfreaker> when?
21:06:08 <gluxon> Wait, did you read my latest post? :P
21:06:23 <computerfreaker> yes, I saw it
21:06:43 <computerfreaker> didn't completely understand what happened, but I gather you were debugging and running eXpresso at the same time?
21:07:32 <computerfreaker> Re launcher messageboxes... *facepalm*
21:07:41 <computerfreaker> those were for debugging only, apparently I forgot to remove them
21:08:52 <gluxon> Yeah :P
21:09:13 <gluxon> You should have seen how many pop ups I use for debuggin :P
21:09:37 <computerfreaker> I usually just step through code, but that's more than a bit hard to do with no debugger - i.e. in NSIS or AHK
21:10:51 <gluxon> Wanna know what's wrong with eXpresso (AHK) writting to Data\settings though? :D
21:11:14 <computerfreaker> what's wrong?
21:11:24 <computerfreaker> I thought that was standard portable apps behavior...
21:11:40 <gluxon> Cause what happens if the launcher is configured differently through the INI file? Like, eXpressoDirectory=App\App\eXpresso.
21:11:51 <gluxon> Then eXpresso would be writing to App\Data\settings
21:11:54 <computerfreaker> O_O
21:11:58 <computerfreaker> *instant headache*
21:12:01 <computerfreaker> yes, I see...
21:12:05 <gluxon> Oh, lol :P
21:12:34 <computerfreaker> well, there's got to be a way to work around that
21:12:46 <computerfreaker> perhaps a parameter passed from the launcher to the AHK?
21:12:54 <computerfreaker> my apps use the same thing
21:12:59 <computerfreaker> -SETTINGSDIR=
21:13:09 <computerfreaker> with a fallback in case SETTINGSDIR isn't specified
21:13:45 <gluxon> Well, still. I like to keep the Apps PAF.
21:14:01 <computerfreaker> that's the thing - the launcher can specify SETTINGSDIR
21:14:06 <gluxon> eXpresso should still be working fine without the launcher and it's PAF settings.
21:14:43 <gluxon> So let's say somebody moves "App\eXpresso" to their desktop. It should still be running without problems.
21:14:45 <computerfreaker> if the launcher and its PAF settings don't exist, neither would eXpressoSettings.ini, so we can set the SETTINGSDIR fallback to Data\Settings
21:15:14 <gluxon> Yeah, but I've already got the solution.
21:15:18 <computerfreaker> in other words, SETTINGSDIR will be Data\Settings unless the user changes something in eXpressoSettings, in which case the launcher will send the appropriate SETTINGSDIR
21:15:24 <computerfreaker> what's your solution?
21:15:37 <gluxon> Leave eXpresso writing settings in it's own folder.
21:15:46 <gluxon> There was really nothing wrong with that.
21:16:16 <computerfreaker> doesn't that go against the PortableApps format, though?
21:17:15 <gluxon> No?
21:17:33 <gluxon> Cause the launcher transfers the settings back and forth in the Data folder.
21:18:15 <computerfreaker> oh, I see
21:18:39 <computerfreaker> Want me to edit eXpresso to do that?
21:20:14 <gluxon> Um... I already did? :P
21:20:22 <computerfreaker> nice!
21:20:52 <computerfreaker> *downloading 1.2.4*
21:24:47 <computerfreaker> just one minor thing, maybe not even fixable
21:26:05 <computerfreaker> when eXpresso.ini doesn't exist, go to Preferences -> Edit configuration ini file. Select Notepad++Portable (haven't tried any other text editors with this yet), and NPP will ask if you want to create the nonexistent file eXpresso.ini
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21:34:29 <JohnTHaller> hola
21:34:39 <computerfreaker> Hi JohnTHaller!
21:34:44 <computerfreaker> Happy New Year!
21:34:51 <JohnTHaller> in 7.5 hours, yes
21:34:55 <JohnTHaller> and ditto
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21:39:37 <ZachThibeau> .away
21:39:59 <ZachThibeau> sorry about that my keyboard doesn't know / from a . :P
21:40:10 <ZachThibeau> anyways Hi John
21:41:02 <gluxon> Hell John :)
21:41:07 <JohnTHaller> hell back
21:41:10 <computerfreaker> O_O
21:41:33 * computerfreaker thinks gluxon made a typo
21:41:44 <JohnTHaller> i know. i thought it was funny
21:41:45 <gluxon> O_O
21:41:47 <gluxon> lol :D
21:41:59 <gluxon> Sorry. I though John was the one who made a typo :P
21:42:30 <ZachThibeau> anyways John I almost perfected my build of XChat that utilizes minigtk :)
21:42:37 <JohnTHaller> cool
21:43:14 * JohnTHaller i still waiting for SourceForge to recognize the GIMP 2.6.8 relese
21:43:25 <ZachThibeau> therefore we can have an xchat portable thats smaller than the current build and looks more native on windows :)
21:43:59 <JohnTHaller> nice
21:45:38 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: I have a special request to make (don't hesitate to say no though)
21:46:16 <ZachThibeau> it's compiled using visual studio 2008 which was easy to compile in with the shared gtk but minigtk is a little more difficult to work with
21:50:19 <JohnTHaller> computerfreaker: what
21:51:13 <computerfreaker> I'm uploading one final point release for KidSafe right now; would it be possible for that to go official soon? (Don't hesitate to say no, I know there are a lot of apps that have been waiting longer than KidSafe)
21:53:29 <JohnTHaller> is it for locking a PC that's not necessarily your own? (is does it have a settable password that someone could, say, walk into a university computer lab and lock to prevent others from using it?)
21:53:53 <computerfreaker> it's for locking a PC that is your own; as the description says, it's for keeping little kids out of mischief ;)
21:54:01 <computerfreaker> and I did my best to keep people from locking other machines
21:54:05 <computerfreaker> only admins can use it
21:54:07 <JohnTHaller> Can it be used for that second scenario?
21:54:16 <computerfreaker> only if you have admin rights
21:54:45 <computerfreaker> and if the executable is deleted (e.g. if you run KidSafe from a flash drive and pull out the drive), KidSafe closes itself
21:54:59 <JohnTHaller> If it's admin only, it's not really appropriate for a portable app. All portable apps have to work guest, limited and admin unless they perform a very specific function (like maintenance: defragging a drive, cleaning up PC stuff)
21:55:11 <computerfreaker> TimClark and Gizmokid2005 took a look at it and made those security recommendations, btw
21:55:39 <computerfreaker> IMHO, KidSafe is for performing a very limited function: keeping a little kid from causing mischief
21:55:47 <JohnTHaller> We've only made the admin-only exception for a couple apps where it's already understood they require admin rights.
21:55:58 <computerfreaker> it technically works without admin rights, but I added that for security's sake
21:55:59 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but you can just as easily accomplish that by hitting WINDOWS-L
21:56:38 <computerfreaker> partly true...
21:56:55 <computerfreaker> I've built in more features than Win+L has
21:57:24 <computerfreaker> e.g. the ability to partly lock a PC
21:57:46 <JohnTHaller> No, I get that. But it seems like a pretty niche product. And the admin-only requirement make moving it to being promoted on PortableApps.com a bit harder to see.
21:58:08 <computerfreaker> if you say no, that's fine... you make the decision & I will abide by it
21:58:43 <computerfreaker> if there's anything you want me to change, I'm willing to do that as well
21:59:13 <JohnTHaller> I think it may be a part of the later set of apps when we really open the floodgates after the app directory rewrite is complete (database driven, ratings, recent lists, top downloads, etc) when we can better handle smaller niche apps. It's just that it isn't something with the broadest appeal to overcome that admin-only limitation (which is a big deal as normal users don't understand it)
21:59:48 <computerfreaker> so for now, the answer's no? But perhaps later?
22:00:16 <JohnTHaller> As a general rule, we're not big on anything on the flash drive that can 'lock' a PC in any way. There's the potential for abuse. Security at that level is better left up to the PC.
22:00:49 <JohnTHaller> It's less-so here because of the admin-only requirement... but in that case, you're only really going to use it on your own PC anyway... so what';s the need for a portable version?
22:00:57 <computerfreaker> would you like me to change anything? I've done my best to make it difficult/impossible to abuse, and I will continue to do so
22:01:23 <computerfreaker> Portability is nice for a home with multiple computers, so you don't have to set everything up multiple times
22:01:26 <JohnTHaller> I just don't know that I see there being much point to this being portable. It just strikes me as a local-install app, which would make more sense focus-wise.
22:02:32 <computerfreaker> You're right about it being mostly a niche product, and local-install perhaps being better, but I have a few thoughts
22:02:48 <JohnTHaller> Admin-only is a deal-breaker for inclusion at present unless it's a utility that's understood to require admin rights. Locking a PC using methods outside of the Windows security is also a deal-breaker due to abuse possibilities (someone could install this to a desktop and lock a PC without the owner having the ability to unlock it)
22:03:28 <computerfreaker> KidSafe's locks are all temporary, though
22:03:41 <computerfreaker> the worst that could ever happen is needing to reboot
22:04:12 <JohnTHaller> Right... but the reboot means they lose everything unsaved that they're working on
22:04:23 <JohnTHaller> That's what I mean by abuse.
22:04:43 <computerfreaker> I see what you're saying...
22:04:59 <computerfreaker> So, would you like me to make some more changes?
22:05:13 <JohnTHaller> You can't. The very nature of your tool runs afoul of these rules.
22:05:27 <JohnTHaller> Admin-only = dealbreaker. PC locker with potential for abuse = dealbreaker.
22:06:00 <computerfreaker> ok... well, thanks for taking the time to look at KidSafe and talk to me about it
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22:06:14 <JohnTHaller> We walk a very fine line in terms of our reputation in IT, so we're erring on the side of caution in terms of what becomes an official app. Only stuff that can't be used to really mess anything up.
22:06:38 <pa_7644> I need some general questions answered, is any up for that?
22:06:45 <computerfreaker> I see what you're saying, and I would never want to jeopardize the future or reputation of PortableApps.com
22:06:48 <JohnTHaller> what do you need pa_7644
22:07:08 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: do you want me to pull it from the Beta forums as well?
22:08:29 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome to call it final and post it in the forums. It just won't be going into the app directory because of the reasons I mentioned.
22:08:50 <computerfreaker> ok, thank you!
22:09:11 <JohnTHaller> You can continue developing it and seeking feedback in the forums as well. The forums aren't just for 'official' PA.c releases. They're for everyone. So, there's no reason your app can't become a successful niche app on its own.
22:09:31 <computerfreaker> thanks for the support, John! I appreciate it, and I will continue to develop KidSafe
22:10:48 <computerfreaker> idea: What if I required the user to know the current logon password to set/change the unlock text? That, when combined with the admin-only requirement, would essentially prove that the user has the right to run a tool like that...
22:11:45 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. And who knows, as things grow, it may work its way into the directory... oh, one possible suggestion... if there's a way you can incorporate a way for it to go against the local security as well, that would get over the abuse possibility. So if you ran it on my PC and locked it with your own password... I'd be able to unlock it with that or with my own Windows password. Or be able to CTRL-ALT-DEL out of it (somet
22:13:52 <JohnTHaller> On that note... why does it need a password? That implies more locking rather than keeping it safe from kids playing with mice or keyboards. If you had it say on the screen how to unlock it so that really only someone who knew what they were doing could get around, that would make it far more useful (and apply to cats walking on keyboards, too). If it didn't lock a PC artificially outside of the Windows security model, it wo
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22:14:48 <JohnTHaller> I had an app on my android like that... it made pretty colors on the screen, but you had to tap the 4 screen corners in a row to unlock it. So you could give it to your little nephew to play with and know they wouldn't call your doctor or something.
22:16:35 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: the password is designed to keep older kids out; e.g. my 5-year-old brother can read, but he takes every chance he can get to cause mischief on my computer ;)
22:17:22 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. See for that, I think locking the PC is more appropriate.
22:17:22 <JohnTHaller> Kidsafe implies more keeping little fingers away.
22:17:47 <computerfreaker> so should I delete the password thing entirely?
22:18:13 <computerfreaker> or better still (from a design viewpoint) just have the user type some predefined, fixed text in the entry field?
22:18:15 <JohnTHaller> If it semi-locked and just required, say CTRL-SHIFT-ENTER to unlock and said so in small letters... and didn't require admin rights... then that makes a bit more sense and couldn't really be abused. In that case, it would be much more useful.
22:18:56 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: I can do that tonight
22:19:19 <computerfreaker> I'll make the key shortcut customizable, but print the correct key shortcut onscreen
22:19:23 <pa_7644> Could I get a couple of general questions about portable apps answered
22:19:30 <computerfreaker> pa_7644: sure, what's up?
22:19:38 <JohnTHaller> Or just had a thing on the screen that said "type the word AWESOMESAUCE to unlock"... or whatever it should be... then it would work.
22:19:57 <JohnTHaller> pa_7644: Sure, I'd asked you what you needed earlier, but you didn't responded. What do you need?
22:20:03 <pa_7644> OK. I don't have an overview of the whole platform, bundle thing.
22:20:31 <pa_7644> Can you install your own apps without the bundle, is it a framework, can you make your own bundle etc.
22:20:39 <computerfreaker> pa_7644: the PortableApps Menu is essentially a container (think "portable Start menu") for apps
22:20:40 <JohnTHaller> The Platform is the Menu, Backup utility and, soon, a built in updater that ties everything together. The apps are all independent applications, but they're designed to work best with the platform and other apps.
22:21:15 <computerfreaker> you can put non-PAF apps in the menu too
22:21:26 <JohnTHaller> The "Suite" is just the Platform and a basic set of apps that most people need. You can start with the suite and remove apps you don't need and add ones you do... or start with just the platform and only add apps you want yourself.
22:21:28 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: once I get that implemented, would you be willing to make KidSafe official?
22:21:50 <pa_7644> So If I wanted to make my own bundle I would first download the platform and use the apps as say plug ins?
22:21:58 <computerfreaker> pa_7644: http://portableapps.com/apps
22:22:18 <computerfreaker> those are PAF-compliant, official PortableApps releases
22:22:25 <JohnTHaller> pa_7644: You're not making your own bundle... you're installing it on your own drive and then adding and removing any apps you want. It';s up to you what you want on it.
22:22:53 <computerfreaker> the apps aren't plugins - they're separate, independent apps. Think of the Menu as a portable Start Menu; you can put just about anything on it
22:23:10 <pa_7644> OK so do I load the platform on the PC or directly to a USB etc.
22:23:33 <computerfreaker> you can do either one
22:23:51 <JohnTHaller> pa_7644: Download the platform to your PC... say to your desktop directory... and then run it. When setting up, point it to your X:\ drive (where X is the drive letter of your USB drive)
22:24:22 <pa_7644> I am sorry to be so...dense... I am not a tech wiz
22:24:40 <JohnTHaller> Then you can download and install more apps as you need them. When you download and run their installers, they'll auomatically find the installation of the Platform on your USB drive and offer to install into it. They even tell the menu there's a new app and to show it if the menu is running.
22:25:21 <pa_7644> I have found though from being a mechanic and machinist that time, trial and error and persistence will win out.
22:26:26 <pa_7644> So, can I make the USB bootable, with a small OS and run the host PC as my own computer with the portable apps on the USB?
22:27:04 <JohnTHaller> Nope. It's not a whole OS. It's a set of apps and a system to manage them that runs under Windows 2000 and up (or Linux with Wine installed).
22:27:18 <computerfreaker> pa_7644: there's no need to make the USB bootable; you're just working with the Menu & apps like you'd work with any other programs
22:27:57 <pa_7644> OK, that makes sense. So the platform is a framework as you say like the start button and I just add the apps to the framework
22:28:05 <JohnTHaller> You got it
22:28:54 <pa_7644> Great, thanks, I don't know the ettiquete (sp) for this type of communication... do I sign off or something?
22:28:55 <JohnTHaller> We recommend using the current Beta version of the platform... it has more features... and themes :-) http://portableapps.com/node/20013
22:29:41 <computerfreaker> pa_7644: no need to sign off until you want to. Then, just close your IRC client.
22:30:10 <JohnTHaller> pa_7644: You can just navigate to a new page when you're done in your browser.
22:30:50 <pa_7644> Well, in the old, old days there were all these rules and some people got really prickly about it and flamed you if you didn't do things right.
22:31:21 <JohnTHaller> Nah, you can stick around and listen or head on out when you're done.
22:32:01 <computerfreaker> there's no flaming in here... you can come and go as you please. The rules (pretty generous rules at that) are at http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules
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22:33:02 <pa_7644> This interface reminds me of PINE and chatting on a mainframe using UNIX. I read those rules first but like anything there are the formal rules and the informal ones that get you.
22:34:08 <JohnTHaller> We're mostly informal here. It's mainly support. But we do developer chat. Some platform planning. Etc.
22:34:08 <JohnTHaller> It's all public so anyone can participate as long as they aren't being disuptive.
22:35:23 <pa_7644> Great, I was a tester before I retired and worked as a consultant and contractor after working at a third party test house.
22:37:07 <pa_7644> I was a "black box" tester for companies like SAI, Microsoft, Washington Mutual, and so on maybe I can help some time.
22:37:52 <computerfreaker> great! If you head over to the Beta Testing forum (http://portableapps.com/forums/development/beta_testing), you can always find plenty of apps waiting for testing & feedback
22:38:02 <JohnTHaller> Sure, we always have need of testers. We have a set of apps in test here: http://portableapps.com/development/test (be warned, it's a LONG list)
22:38:41 <pa_7644> Isn't it always...:)
22:39:25 <pa_7644> Is there some priority? Or do you just pick one? I would guess that games get lots of people.
22:40:19 <computerfreaker> pick what you want to pick... :)
22:40:37 <pa_7644> Games testing is really subtle, you have to not get sucked into the game and keep an edge so you find the issues.
22:41:11 <pa_7644> I tend to be the last guy or the first guy. I am the type of tester that the military talks about.
22:41:29 <JohnTHaller> Most of testing is to ensure it's portable (doesn't leave anything behind in the registry, APPDATA or temp... make sure the settings work as you move PCs... etc)
22:42:07 <pa_7644> If it is "Mikey" proof it ships :)
22:44:29 <pa_7644> Remember, I worked in a formal setting, meaning reams of test documents. Is there a repository of what is being tested for or do you just email the dev people?
22:46:12 <computerfreaker> after you test, you put a post in the appropriate topic in the Beta Testing forum, telling how your tests went
22:46:33 <computerfreaker> there's no formal structure; people test what they want when they want, and provide feedback when they want and how they want
22:47:24 <pa_7644> Well, thanks I've got to do, I appreciate the help <computerfreaker>, bye...
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22:47:35 <computerfreaker> bye pa_7644!
22:49:48 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: I'm deep in the KidSafe code right now, making those changes :)
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23:27:30 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller, you still there?
23:27:33 <JohnTHaller> ya
23:28:24 <computerfreaker> I've got probably 60% of those changes made... once those are done, would it be OK if KidSafe drops tomorrow?
23:28:32 <computerfreaker> A new year, a new face for KidSafe
23:28:41 <computerfreaker> a new life, actually
23:30:11 <JohnTHaller> I've got too much to do in the next week and a half
23:30:15 <JohnTHaller> Prepping for CES
23:30:19 <JohnTHaller> So no new apps ATM
23:30:24 <computerfreaker> ok, KidSafe can wait
23:30:33 <JohnTHaller> And it's def gonna need some testing with the changes
23:30:41 <computerfreaker> you're right
23:30:53 <computerfreaker> so... maybe in two weeks or so?
23:31:38 <JohnTHaller> when it's dopne
23:31:43 <JohnTHaller> no schedules promised
23:31:47 <computerfreaker> ok
23:32:01 <JohnTHaller> I can;t even get this done with the SF problems: http://portableapps.com/node/19705
23:32:08 <computerfreaker> should I drop you an e-mail when it's done & tested, or should I just post in the waiting queue like usual?
23:32:14 <JohnTHaller> No. Queue.
23:32:25 <computerfreaker> ok, queue it is
23:33:18 <JohnTHaller> And now WinSCP is done and stuck in the SF queue, too
23:33:21 <computerfreaker> thank you for all the time & advice!
23:33:28 <JohnTHaller> sure thing
23:45:14 <JohnTHaller> and now NSIS is done and stuck in the SF queue
23:45:37 <computerfreaker> what happened, SF is down?
23:45:40 <JohnTHaller> Oh, it looks like the SF queue is moving again... I'll start posting.
23:45:54 <JohnTHaller> Our file mirroring queue gets stuck a lot. We have more files than anyone else on SF
23:46:22 <computerfreaker> oh, I see... more files = more of a chance for the queue to get stuck?
23:46:38 <JohnTHaller> Not exactly. More like it just gets overloaded and can't handle it all.
23:46:55 <computerfreaker> wow. That can't be fun...
23:50:18 <JohnTHaller> Ok, GIMP is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-12-31_-_gimp_portable_2.6.8
23:51:00 <computerfreaker> yay! :D
23:51:11 <JohnTHaller> Anybody try Eraser 5.8.8 yet?
23:51:29 <computerfreaker> I've downloaded it, but I haven't used it yet; I don't use Eraser very often
23:52:09 <JohnTHaller> Fire it up and let me know what you think of the new interface. I redid the toolbar and sidebar and dropped in the Eraser 6 icon/logo. I think it all helps a lot.
23:52:34 <computerfreaker> ok, I'll go fire it up quick
23:52:51 <computerfreaker> nice icon, btw!
23:53:15 <computerfreaker> looks pretty good! :)
23:53:43 <computerfreaker> I didn't know Eraser was totally a PortableApps.com creation... you wrote it?
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23:54:18 <JohnTHaller> It isn't. I decided to rework all those bits as the 5.x branch of Eraser just looked awful.
23:54:34 <computerfreaker> oh, gotcha. Great job!
23:54:44 <JohnTHaller> Especially since we know they won't as they moved onto Eraser 6, which is .NET.
23:55:03 <computerfreaker> seems like everybody's moving to .NET these days... pity.
23:55:24 <JohnTHaller> Not everybody. Most of the big apps won't touch it. Especially the good cross-platform stuff.
23:55:39 <JohnTHaller> Heck, Microsoft doesn't even use .NET for their own software.
23:55:39 <computerfreaker> that's good to hear...
23:56:01 <computerfreaker> I thought MS used .NET for Vista, 7, etc...
23:56:24 <computerfreaker> oh, Gimp has a plugin to make it all one window! *NICE!!!* :DD
23:56:38 <JohnTHaller> Nope. The framework is included in the OS. But Windows, Office. etc etc... is all C/C++ (and some assembly and other stuff). No managed code.