IRC Log from 2010-01-07

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00:19:20 <root-beer> hello, am I chatting yet?
00:19:41 <Computator> yup
00:20:30 <root-beer> OK, I'ts taken me a while to get this far. First, what's the correct way to start a Chat?
00:21:23 <Computator> I'm not exactly sure what you mean but just type something like you did and we can answer you
00:22:30 <Gizmokid2005> root-beer: what looks like the problem you were having before, is you were trying to use the same username that someone else already "owns"
00:22:53 <root-beer> OK, first I went to the URL poratableapps./com/support/livechat. Then I think I have to enter a name (e.g. root-beer) using a / comand.
00:23:22 <Gizmokid2005> root-beer: you don't HAVE to enter a name
00:23:28 <root-beer> OK if root-beer is already in use, how do I pick an unused nick name?
00:23:29 <Gizmokid2005> you can just use what is assigned when you join
00:23:43 <Gizmokid2005> root-beer: ross was already in use, root-beer isn't. If it was, you couldn't use it.
00:25:16 <Computator> so root-beer is fine, you don't need to change it
00:25:30 <root-beer> When I "joined", I was giveen the name azwwypnee (I think). Is this the assigned nick name?
00:26:08 <root-beer> OK, if root-beer is OK, can I used the same nick name next time?
00:26:24 <Computator> if someone else hasn't used it
00:26:33 <Computator> nobody probably will
00:27:22 <root-beer> Is there a way I can see which nick names are in use. Maybe I should just one like Ross4731 which is unlikely that anyone else has?
00:27:41 <Computator> that works
00:28:09 <root-beer> OK, I think I'm finally ready to ask my qustion.
00:28:31 <root-beer> OK, here is comes
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00:31:52 <root-beer> I've used portable apps before like firefox, but I tried to make a fresh restart today, and use the "platform" in the hopes that it wou ld create a MENU ZFOLDER (or file) which would autoimatically get hte names of the apps that I install. I got a MENU file alright, but it was empty. Maybe you can point me to some step-by-steps that I need to follow to load "platform" and then load a portable app like firefox and an app
00:33:53 <root-beer> Also, I just got a line that said that SrgSiler|ZNC has changed nick to SergentsSiler. What does this mean and do I need to knos.
00:34:13 <Computator> that means he changed his nick
00:34:38 <Computator> and the part after the | means something...
00:35:12 <Computator> for example, it is currently SrgSiler|afk, the afk means away from keyboard
00:35:32 <Computator> and no, you don't need to worry ;-)
00:35:54 <Computator> i don't know what ZNC stands for
00:36:12 <root-beer> If I am chatting with you (Computor), why should I care about SrgSiler| away from keyboard?
00:36:54 <root-beer> Maybe this is a multi[person chat? I thought it was one on one
00:37:09 <Computator> yeah it is
00:37:44 <root-beer> Is is multiperson or it is one-on-one?
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00:37:59 <Gizmokid2005> root-beer: this is an IRC chat, which is multi-person
00:38:07 <Gizmokid2005> right now there are ~20 people in here
00:38:09 <Gizmokid2005> .wik IRC
00:38:09 <GizmoBot> "Internet Relay Chat (IRC) is a form of real-time Internet text messaging (chat) or synchronous conferencing." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
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00:38:43 <Computator> the list of names on the right are the people online
00:38:52 <root-beer> OK. To save time, I'd like to write up myu questions offline, and then include it at the beginning of the chat.
00:39:26 <root-beer> Can I do this by just copying the question into the chat, or is tjhere a way to "attach" it.
00:39:38 <Gizmokid2005> just paste it in root-beer
00:40:18 <Computator> you don't have to type your whole question at once though, you
00:40:20 <Computator> can do it
00:40:28 <Computator> a little bit at a time
00:40:33 <Computator> sortof like this
00:40:52 <root-beer> Just one more question -- are all the people with names on the right listening in. If not, can I tell who is listening to me?
00:40:56 <Gizmokid2005> that's not encouraged Computator, root-beer, but it is ok. Preferably one question/whole sentence per line
00:40:57 <Computator> but you usually do a whole sentence at a time
00:41:08 <Gizmokid2005> root-beer: those are the people who could see what's going on
00:41:14 <Gizmokid2005> most of the time they aren't active or paying attention to the chat
00:41:38 <root-beer> And if they have a comment or insight, they could then join in. Right?
00:41:46 <Computator> yeah
00:42:53 <root-beer> I think I understand. I'll compose some suscint questions and come back later. Also, if @Gizmokid2005> another chatter or something else?
00:43:20 <Gizmokid2005> root-beer: just post them to the channel
00:43:27 <Gizmokid2005> if someone is here and can answer, they will
00:43:43 <Computator> yeah, I am kinda new here, gizmokid2005 has been here for a long time
00:44:47 <root-beer> OK Gizmok and Computaor, thanks for getting me reacquintled with chat. The last time I chatted was on Unix about 25 years ago. Havewa good evening (both of you) and evryhone else on the roight too.
00:45:15 <Computator> your welcome :)
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00:54:22 <root-beer> OK, I just tried to type "/help" to get more info on IRC, but nothing happened. How can I can IRC help?
00:56:36 <root-beer> help!
00:56:37 <GizmoBot> root-beer: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
00:57:23 <root-beer> OK, where can I find the commands etc. for IRC?
00:58:14 <Computator> here is a list of almost all of them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_commands
00:58:25 <Computator> but that os probably overwhelming
00:59:15 <Computator> here is a better one http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
01:00:24 <root-beer> OK, thanks very much. I'm going "away" now.
01:00:38 <Computator> here is some general info about IRC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
01:00:39 <Computator> ok
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01:33:10 <OsterPenPen> Greetings all.
01:34:24 <OsterPenPen> Question: I'm trying to add PendriveLinux to the list of apps in the PortableApps menu. Is there any easy way for me to add a program not specifically supported?
01:35:02 <Computator> put the app's folder in the PortableApps Directory...
01:35:28 <Computator> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
01:35:46 <OsterPenPen> Doh. Figured it would be blindingly obvious. I'll give it a shot.
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01:40:13 <pa_7921> Hello What is the name by which the program that is making programs portable?
01:41:14 <pa_7921> Hello What is the name by which the program that is making programs portable?
01:41:32 <Computator> what do you mean?
01:42:57 <pa_7921> How to make programs portable ?
01:43:48 <Computator> you usually have to edit the source code so the program won't change anything on the host computer
01:44:09 <Computator> or make a program that will undo any changes it makes
01:45:08 <Computator> or do you mean how to package a app once it is portable?
01:46:26 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7921: your answer is in the field guide, which can be found
01:46:30 <Gizmokid2005> .def field_guide
01:46:30 <GizmoBot> field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
01:46:34 <Gizmokid2005> there ^
01:46:53 <pa_7921> yes
01:48:09 <Computator> hey Gizmokid, did you make GizmoBot?
01:48:51 <Gizmokid2005> Computator: not really
01:49:08 <Gizmokid2005> I host him and helped modify some features.
01:49:14 <Gizmokid2005> but I didn't write it from scratch
01:49:26 <Computator> oh ok, does it have a help thing?
01:49:37 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> Is there any way to add a .bat file to the apps menu?
01:49:59 <Computator> yes, in the appinfo.ini file
01:50:12 <Gizmokid2005> Computator: yes, just PM GizmoBot with .commands
01:50:18 <Computator> but the PortableApps Installer won't work with them
01:50:29 <Computator> ok thx gizmokid
01:51:30 <Computator> oh wait, you are just adding a folder, it probably won't have an appinfo.ini file
01:52:22 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> Just a link to the right chapter of the manual would be amazing. I can RTFM and try to ask more intelligent questions.
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01:52:47 <Computator> :) i do that all the time, just a sec...
01:52:50 <Gizmokid2005> OPP|WorkinAweigh: adding bat files to the menu aren't /officially/ supported
01:52:57 <Gizmokid2005> OPP|WorkinAweigh: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
01:53:06 <Gizmokid2005> take off the #addingotherapps tag and that's the manual
01:53:12 <Computator> I already sent him that
01:53:22 <Computator> it is???
01:53:29 <Gizmokid2005> yes
01:53:35 <Gizmokid2005> pretty much
01:54:01 <Gizmokid2005> or you can look in the Other folder in the PortableApps.com folder
01:54:18 <Computator> i think he was looking for this http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format
01:54:47 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> I'll check it out, but here's a link to another document describing it in detail: http://portableapps.com/node/21757
01:54:54 <Gizmokid2005> Computator: that's just the spec for our apps
01:55:01 <Gizmokid2005> OPP|WorkinAweigh: yes, that will work too
01:55:29 <Gizmokid2005> but like I said, there's not "official" support for it yet
01:55:50 <Computator> and there isn't going to be, i already asked john
01:55:54 <Computator> :(
01:56:51 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> That's a shame.
01:56:54 <Computator> that other thing opp had is just part of the link i gave him
01:57:16 <Computator> to the spec that is
01:58:22 <Computator> he said they are too "unprofessional" and it is easy to make a launcher in c or whatever in a few minutes, which is true
01:59:07 <Computator> although you could make a c (or whatever) exe that launches a batch file
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02:25:31 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> OK, is there a way to make it so that .exe files in .\PortableApps\<app name> that are used by the main executable don't appear in the list?
02:26:27 <Computator> I don't think so, those are supposed to be in \PortableApps\<app name>\AppNamePortable
02:26:40 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> Ahh, I see.
02:26:47 <Gizmokid2005> yes
02:26:48 <Gizmokid2005> you can
02:26:54 <Gizmokid2005> depends on what version of the menu you are using
02:27:12 <Gizmokid2005> in the latest stable 1.5.2? just right-click, rename it, and put a hyphen in front of the app name
02:27:19 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> Yes. It's 1.5.2
02:27:22 <Gizmokid2005> in the beta of the menu, just right-click and choose hide.
02:27:23 <Computator> did you look at the spec i put in? i think it talks about that.
02:27:43 <Computator> oh yeah, that works, but that is a "per menu" option
02:27:57 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> I think I figured it out. Nm.
02:27:59 <Computator> if you are making a app you should do it differently
02:28:00 <Gizmokid2005> Computator: what do you mean per menu?
02:28:37 <Computator> well, if you put that app on a different pa installation you will have to hide them in there too
02:28:49 <Gizmokid2005> Computator: yes...but this is for your menu
02:28:57 <Gizmokid2005> in app development it should be handled differently
02:28:58 <Computator> so you put them in the other folder than you don't have to
02:29:02 <Gizmokid2005> such as the way that OpenOffice.org is.
02:29:08 <Computator> yeah
02:29:30 <Computator> that's what I was talking about
02:29:49 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> I typoed the name of appinfo.ini. That was my problem.
02:30:04 <Computator> oh ok :)
02:34:06 * OPP|WorkinAweigh crosses fingers and hits the button
02:34:30 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> Haha! Success!
02:34:35 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> I am now running this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/run-pendrivelinux-2009-in-windows/
02:34:42 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> via PA.
02:34:49 <Mir> in some other part of the world a kitten explodes
02:34:55 <Computator> congragulations
02:35:19 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> I am most happy. Now I just need to configure PDL...
02:35:26 <OPP|WorkinAweigh> Anyway, I am off. Thank you all for your assistance.
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03:18:47 <pa_5434> hello
03:19:02 <Computator> hi
03:19:17 <pa_5434> How can I uninstall the system?
03:20:05 <pa_5434> I want to remove the potableapps from my U disk,Could you help me?
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03:21:02 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5434: just delete the files
03:21:38 <Computator> you just need to delete the PortableApps folder, the autorun.inf file, and StartPortableapps.exe
03:21:49 <pa_5434> I have done like this, but I can't rename the u disk.
03:22:12 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5434: then the autorun.inf file must still be present.
03:22:40 <pa_5434> It is also have been deleted.
03:22:58 <Computator> http://portableapps.com/node/5819
03:25:47 <pa_5434> l've done all these steps. But problem is still there.
03:26:47 <pa_5434> And my flash drive was branded with PortaleApps. How can I change it?
03:27:49 <Computator> try right clicking on the drive and clicking on properties
03:27:59 <Computator> then change the name at the top
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03:47:45 <pa_5434> The information in properties has changed. but in the explorer the name is till "portableapps".
03:48:03 <OliverK> you're editing the ini file?
03:48:08 <OliverK> eject and reinsert the drive
03:48:14 <OliverK> then the changes will be present
03:48:19 <pa_5434> No.
03:48:21 <Computator> ohhh, yeah, i forgot that
03:48:44 <OliverK> teach me to jump in without the backstory
03:48:46 <OliverK> just a sec
03:48:52 <Computator> when you delete the ini file (which he did) you have to do that too
03:49:08 <Computator> he is removing portableapps
03:49:15 <OliverK> oh
03:49:28 <OliverK> yeah, just delete everything and resinsert the stick :)
03:49:28 <Computator> (or trying to)
03:49:55 <pa_5434> I have removed and reinsert.
03:50:17 <pa_5434> But I get the same problem.
03:50:36 <Computator> then you must have not deleted the autorun.inf file
03:50:49 <Computator> that's the only explanation
03:50:49 <pa_5434> I have done
03:50:55 <OliverK> do you have anything at all on the drive?
03:51:09 <Computator> you sure? you set it to show hidden files?
03:51:19 <pa_5434> Yes, I do.
03:51:23 <OliverK> Computator: shouldn't be hidden
03:51:33 <Computator> it is by default
03:51:52 <OliverK> ?
03:52:04 <OliverK> not here . . .
03:52:08 <Computator> autorun.inf is set as hidden by default
03:53:05 <Computator> Oliverk: you probably have it set to show hidden files and/or have edited the inf in the past
03:53:14 <OliverK> fine
03:54:27 <Computator> oh, oops, i thought pa_5434 said that
03:54:40 <Computator> sorry, don't mean to be pushy
03:54:45 <OliverK> that's fine
03:55:01 <OliverK> yeah. AFAIK its not hidden by defualt. I don't think it ever was.
03:55:31 <OliverK> if he's deleted teh file, maybe he needs a reboot or try it on another system. Our system doesn't permanately modify the drive
03:56:18 <Computator> idk, but it is hidden by default on mine and the instructions here talk about unhiding it too http://portableapps.com/node/5819
03:56:43 <Computator> that's why i think he didn't really delete it, cuz it doesn't modify it
03:57:07 <Computator> mabye they recently changed if it is hidden or not
03:57:17 <OliverK> i would try a different computer or a reboot.
03:57:44 <OliverK> its possible that windoze got stuck in a loop
03:58:24 <Computator> yeah, if i boot with a drive in the computer it won't change the label if i eject it
03:59:02 <Computator> if i dont have it in at boot and then insert it it will switch back when i eject
03:59:05 <Computator> :P
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03:59:35 <OliverK|Away> Computator: never tried that. I usually just set the appinfo.ini and go.
03:59:57 * Computator is confused
04:00:07 <Computator> what does that have to do with it?
04:00:36 <Computator> i am talking about any drive that i use btw, not just portableapps
04:01:20 <pa_5434> Thanks for all. Bye.
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04:02:10 <OliverK> Computator: once I set up the information in my appinfo.ini I don't change it.
04:02:26 <Computator> do you mean autorun.inf?
04:02:36 <OliverK> ph. yeah.
04:02:39 <OliverK> oh*
04:02:59 <Computator> oh ok
04:03:07 <Computator> me too
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04:03:58 <Computator> i meant that (for example) if i stick a cd in the drive and then boot my pc it uses the cd's label as expected...
04:04:25 <Computator> if i eject that cd and put in a different one it still shows the same label...
04:04:51 <OliverK> wow.
04:04:56 <OliverK> never seen that
04:05:07 <Computator> if however there is nothing in the drive when i boot the computer it works right...
04:05:23 <Computator> when i put in the cd it changes to that cd's label...
04:05:56 <Computator> when i switch it for another it will use the new cd's label, just like it's supposed to
04:06:21 <Computator> and i think it does a somewhat similar thing with flashdrives, etc...
04:06:33 <Computator> it's a weird/annoying bug
04:07:38 <Computator> btw, do you know what ZNC stands for? like with ZachT|ZNC
04:07:49 <OliverK> that I don know :)
04:07:52 <OliverK> do*
04:08:02 <OliverK> ZNC is a bouncing service for IRC
04:08:33 <OliverK> sorta like a personal irc server that logs into channels and brings them back to one place for you
04:08:40 <OliverK> i haven't been able to use one yet
04:08:44 <OliverK> .g ZNC
04:08:44 <GizmoBot> OliverK: http://znc.in/
04:08:48 <OliverK> hmm.
04:08:52 <OliverK> .wiki znc
04:08:53 <Computator> oh, i did see that...i thought it was some other type of thing
04:09:02 <OliverK> .wik znc
04:09:03 <GizmoBot> "The Zomi National Congress (ZNC) is the name of a political party in Burma, registered in 1988." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zomi_National_Congress
04:09:08 <OliverK> lol!
04:09:13 <OliverK> .wik znc irc
04:09:14 <GizmoBot> "Wikipedia:WikiProject IRC collaboration is based on IRC, in their Freenode channel #Wikipedia-En preferably, and jurisdicts all Wikipedia articles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_IRC
04:09:20 <OliverK> heh
04:09:24 <OliverK> GizmoBot: fail
04:09:31 <Computator> that's all the stuff i found too
04:09:43 <Computator> i thought it was something like afk
04:09:48 <Computator> guess not
04:15:22 <OliverK> .wik bnc
04:15:23 <GizmoBot> "The BNC (Bayonet Neill-Concelman) connector is a very common type of RF connector used for terminating coaxial cable." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_connector
04:15:36 <OliverK> .wik irc shell
04:15:37 <GizmoBot> "Traditionally a shell account was a user account on a remote server which gave you access to a unix shell via a command-line interface protocol such as telnet or ssh." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_account
04:15:48 <OliverK> .g znc application
04:15:49 <GizmoBot> OliverK: http://www.file-extensions.org/znc-file-extension
04:15:53 <OliverK> drat
04:16:11 <OliverK> laters guys. Time for making of the bed and then sleeping in the bed
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09:34:47 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
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11:20:00 <Horusofoz> Smells like spam - http://portableapps.com/news/2009-11-24_-_portableapps.com_format_1.0#comment-138803
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17:29:32 <pa_2539> hi stupid question... i'm trying to install the suite in the usb and it says that the file isn't a valid win32 app
17:31:07 <pa_2539> hello anybody
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17:40:26 <vicc_pt> hi pa_2539
17:40:39 <vicc_pt> do you need help?
17:42:30 <vicc_pt> pa_2539
17:44:28 <pa_2539> ya please!
17:44:46 <pa_2539> stupid question... i'm trying to install the suite in the usb and it says that the file isn't a valid win32 app
17:45:22 <pa_2539> i've a simple 1G usb and want to try out this kind of app
17:46:19 <vicc_pt> i think you may have to re-download the suite or run an anti-virus scan on that file
17:46:41 <pa_2539> already done...
17:47:19 <vicc_pt> and you re-downloaded it?
17:47:27 <pa_2539> yes
17:48:11 <vicc_pt> scan your entire pc, you may have virus in another place
17:49:33 <pa_2539> ok tks..
17:50:20 <vicc_pt> this has already happened with me ( not in this site)
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17:52:44 <vicc_pt> pa_2539
17:53:02 <vicc_pt> what edition of the suite did you choose?
17:59:04 <vicc_pt> pa_2539: i'm leaving. maybe someone will appear to help you. if it doesn't happen, post a forum topic.
17:59:54 <vicc_pt> and, be careful with the space in your usb if you picked the full suite
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