IRC Log from 2010-01-12
00:00:20 <pa_3731> ptmb
00:00:50 <ptmb> Hello pa_3731
00:00:50 * pa_3731 help
00:01:07 <pa_3731> sea monkey has a update
00:01:34 <pa_3731> can i update thru portable
00:02:00 <pa_3731> or wait for a new version to come
00:02:12 <ptmb> You should not use the built in upgrader, as it messes up with the system
00:02:22 <pa_3731> ok
00:02:35 <ptmb> but i don't know if manually upgrading will harm the app or not, sorry
00:02:35 <pa_3731> so ill wait
00:02:55 <pa_3731> ok thanks
00:03:00 <ChrisMorgan> Upgrading will leave behind a registry key adding it to the uninstall list
00:03:04 <ptmb> you're welcome, and sorry I couldn't help more
00:03:27 <ChrisMorgan> If you don't mind that, feel free to upgrade. But it's probably not worth it anyway.
00:03:42 <pa_3731> thanks all i guess a new version will be out in a week
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00:04:18 <ChrisMorgan> I hope so. John's busy with CES though, and SourceForge has been having a lot of troubles with making releases
00:07:36 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: once I get done with the "admin unlock" feature, is there a way I can send it just to you, John and the rest of the mods?
00:07:47 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
00:08:07 <computerfreaker> I've been putting the KidSafe users through enough changes lately, and don't feel like publicly toying with a new feature that may or may not stay
00:09:04 <computerfreaker> if it gets the approval of you, John, and the other mods, it'll stay; otherwise, I'll just branch
00:09:34 <computerfreaker> either way, I don't want to do another round of the public runaround that's been going on with KidSafe lately...
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00:22:03 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: should I just do yet another public beta instead?
00:25:25 <ChrisMorgan> I think probably so. Create it in a new thread though.
00:27:14 <computerfreaker> ok
00:27:24 <computerfreaker> once I create the new thread, could you or another mod lock my old one?
00:27:46 <computerfreaker> (please don't do it now, though, as the new beta won't be ready for at least a week and probably more)
00:28:09 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
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00:28:34 <computerfreaker> thanks!
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00:43:00 <computerfreaker> g2g, more school work awaits me...
00:43:08 <computerfreaker> thanks for the advice, ChrisMorgan!
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02:42:56 <TimClark> Security Alert for Ben and our Mac users:
02:43:06 <TimClark> PoC for CVE-2009-0689 MacOS X 10.5/10.6 vulnerability
02:43:08 <TimClark> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=7942
02:53:07 <TimClark> Anybody awake for a question ?
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03:01:43 <OsterPenPortable> Does the portable version of Firefox accept the normal command line switches?
03:02:13 <OsterPenPortable> If yes, is there any special voodoo magic to make the menu accept command switches in appinfo.ini?
03:06:27 <TimClark> OsterPenPortable: what command line do you want to pass ?
03:08:38 <OsterPenPortable> "-url cisco.netacad.net" for one and a local file for another.
03:10:03 <TimClark> so you will have 2 launchers, one for each of the choices ?
03:10:17 <TimClark> the first could just be the homepage, no ?
03:10:32 <OsterPenPortable> Yes
03:11:01 <OsterPenPortable> Actually, I have for but the relevent part of [Control]:
03:11:02 <OsterPenPortable> Start2=FirefoxPortable.exe cisco.netacad.net
03:11:02 <OsterPenPortable> Name2=Cisco Network Academy
03:11:02 <OsterPenPortable> Start3="FirefoxPortable.exe 203\index.html"
03:11:02 <OsterPenPortable> Name3=Cisco - LAN Switching and Wireless Curriculum
03:11:11 <OsterPenPortable> s/for/four/
03:13:50 <TimClark> Sorry, it's beyond me
03:14:03 <TimClark> have you tried posting in the forum?
03:14:29 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/forums/support/firefox_portable
03:14:48 <OsterPenPortable> I'll give that a shot.
03:14:50 <TimClark> It seems everyone else is away at the moment, sorry :(
03:22:01 <OsterPenPortable> Not a problem, I'm working on it to keep my hands busy during lecture.
03:22:14 <TimClark> Good luck
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03:42:42 <OsterPenPortable> Is this clear enough: http://portableapps.com/node/22169 ?
03:45:29 <TimClark> moment
03:47:11 <TimClark> I am confused those are the contents of what , the app.ini in our FFP?
03:47:32 <TimClark> you want the laucher to ask you which choice you want , is that it ?
03:47:57 <OsterPenPortable> That's appini for FirefoxPortable. The start# commands are the menu items.
03:48:17 <TimClark> I thought you were launching our FFP from a batch file of some sort of you own, that asked you which you wanted
03:48:18 <OsterPenPortable> I can put in absolute pathnames, I'll go do that.
03:48:28 <OsterPenPortable> Nope, each is a different icon.
03:49:02 <TimClark> again, I am confused, but that's ok, I'm sure some one better at this than I will understand
03:49:51 <TimClark> again, good luck
03:52:39 <OsterPenPortable> Would you like me to break it down?
03:52:42 <OsterPenPortable> And thank you.
03:53:41 <TimClark> not really, it would go over my head
03:54:00 <TimClark> plus i am kind of distracted at the moment
03:54:55 <TimClark> was your edit of the post major/significant
03:55:23 <OsterPenPortable> Not really.
03:56:10 <TimClark> ok, if you should make significant changes, please note them, so folks don't get confused
03:57:09 <OsterPenPortable> I changed the start/end notation of appinfo.ini to it's absolute path.
03:57:24 <OsterPenPortable> And commented that I knew the fourth icon was disabled.
03:57:34 <TimClark> gotcha
04:09:09 <TimClark> someone has chosen to modify your post :/
04:10:23 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, I was fixing the <pre> tags, hadn't noticed this here
04:10:37 <ChrisMorgan> I only just got back
04:10:59 <TimClark> As you are both here it would have been better to ask him if that is what he wants to do
04:11:02 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry 'bout that
04:11:09 <ChrisMorgan> OsterPenPortable: you can't do it that way
04:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> It will be trying to execute an executable named `X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe cisco.netacad.net`.
04:11:48 <ChrisMorgan> And fiddling with quotes won't help either.
04:11:58 <OsterPenPortable> I've gotten around it by making bat files that call 'start /b'.
04:12:05 <OsterPenPortable> It seems to work fine, just flashes a console.
04:12:21 <ChrisMorgan> That's the simplest way of doing it. You can do a simple NSIS launcher if you want
04:12:27 <OsterPenPortable> NSIS?
04:12:36 <ChrisMorgan> FirefoxPortable.exe is compiled NSIS.
04:12:45 <OsterPenPortable> I don't know the acronym.
04:12:54 <ChrisMorgan> The simplest way is just create a new file with the following lines:
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04:14:25 <ChrisMorgan> OutFile Cisco.exe
04:14:26 <ChrisMorgan> RequestExecutionLevel user
04:14:26 <ChrisMorgan> SilentInstall silent
04:14:26 <ChrisMorgan> Section
04:14:26 <ChrisMorgan> Exec `"$EXEDIR\FirefoxPortable.exe" cisco.netacad.net`
04:14:26 <ChrisMorgan> SectionEnd
04:14:55 <ChrisMorgan> Put that as Cisco.nsi, next to FirefoxPortable.exe or somewhere else, and compile it with NSIS Portable.
04:15:11 <ChrisMorgan> If you had it in another directory, copy Cisco.exe next to FirefoxPortable.exe.
04:15:14 <OsterPenPortable> I think I'll pass, thank you.
04:15:21 <OsterPenPortable> I'm in class, and that would require thinking too hard.
04:15:28 <ChrisMorgan> OK :-)
04:15:47 <ChrisMorgan> A batch file will work fine though if you don't mind it flashing like that.
04:16:14 <OsterPenPortable> It isn't very intrusive. "start /b" is wonderful that way.
04:16:32 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
04:18:06 <OsterPenPortable> The hard one was integrated Pendrive Linux into the menu so that it would run.
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04:36:09 <OsterPenPortable> I got it to work, but it took two class lectures to do it.
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12:33:59 <pa_4150> hi there, I have a quick question about PA - anyone here to help?
12:35:32 <pa_4150> +GizmoBot
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13:34:42 <pa_2479> is it possible to make portable app platform entry witch opens 2 programms?
13:35:28 <pa_2479> or some other way to open 2 programms with one entry? maybe changing Autorun.inf?
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14:21:19 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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14:45:11 <pa_0542> I am new to pa. It runs fine with the exception of autorun. I have to start it from file manager. How can I fix it? The autorun.inf is there.
14:45:28 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0542: you can't
14:45:35 <Gizmokid2005> it's a security "feature" in windows
14:45:58 <pa_0542> How disappointing ...
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14:59:50 <pa_2479> http://www.instructables.com/id/How_to_Make_an_Auto_Hacking_USB_Drive/step3/The-Batch-File/
15:00:08 <pa_2479> how to make autoplay menu have 2 items?
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18:17:55 <ZachThibeau> Hiya everybody
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18:30:13 <Tim_> hello
18:30:51 <Tim_> Anybody out there know about profiles dissappearing in protable thunderbird
18:31:01 <Tim_> opened up my email this morning, it was all gone.
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18:55:27 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
18:56:44 <SteveLamerton> Have I been muted here or does no one say hello back any more?
18:59:34 <SteveLamerton> Gizmokid2005, MaienM, ZachThibeau?
19:00:02 <MaienM> hello SteveLamerton, I didn't notice you entering ;)
19:00:11 <MaienM> how are you?
19:00:12 <SteveLamerton> :P
19:00:50 <SteveLamerton> I am fine thanks, take a look at the fourth talk: http://www.fosdem.org/2010/schedule/tracks/lightningtalks
19:01:30 <MaienM> nice :D
19:02:02 <SteveLamerton> Indeed :D
19:02:22 <SteveLamerton> Pretty exciting really!
19:02:28 <MaienM> indeed :)
19:03:51 <SteveLamerton> Should be a good weekend, assuming it doesnt snow again
19:04:33 <MaienM> lets hope so
19:05:15 <MaienM> at the moment any work on our new house is stalled because of the weather, so I really hope it stops freezing soon so they can continue working
19:05:44 <SteveLamerton> I would rather not get stranded in Belgium if the Eurostar gets closed down again ;)
19:06:27 <MaienM> yeah, that'd be quite problematic to say the least ;)
19:07:05 <SteveLamerton> Indeed, lots of missed lectures, not good at all!
19:07:43 <MaienM> yeah, that could be quite a problem
19:08:29 <MaienM> its hard enough as it is without missing lessons
19:10:03 <SteveLamerton> Indeedm still it should have all calmed down in a few weeks!
19:12:21 <SteveLamerton> Anyway got to dash again now, see you all tomorrow
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19:20:45 <JohnTHaller> hi all
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19:24:03 <pa_3292> help!
19:24:04 <GizmoBot> pa_3292: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
19:24:18 <JohnTHaller> hi pa_3292, what can we help you with?
19:24:54 <pa_3292> Every portable app I download gives me an 'Installer integrity check has failed' message
19:25:15 <JohnTHaller> Are you right-clicking on the Download Now buttons and saving them that way?
19:25:38 <pa_3292> left clicking
19:26:38 <JohnTHaller> And you get to the SourceForge page where it then autoamtically pops up the download box (on Firefox, Chrome) or you have to click the download link (IE)
19:27:20 <pa_3292> auto pops - using firefox
19:28:37 <JohnTHaller> You using any kind of download manager?
19:28:46 <pa_3292> no
19:29:07 <JohnTHaller> Hmm.... what mirror is it using on SF? Have you tried picking a different one?
19:29:48 <pa_3292> not sure which one but I tried a different one and got the same message
19:30:27 <JohnTHaller> Which app?
19:30:36 <pa_3292> That was when I was using IE to download.
19:31:41 <pa_3292> App the Suite (which got the message but somehow managed to load, and today the puzzle game Joolem
19:32:45 <JohnTHaller> which mirrors have you tried? I'm gonna try the same one and ensure its copy of Jooleem is right
19:33:01 <pa_3292> hold on
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19:35:59 <pa_4395> help please, how i can make a passward on my pen drive. thanx
19:35:59 <GizmoBot> pa_4395: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
19:36:22 <pa_3292> softlayer.dl.sourceforge.net
19:36:48 <JohnTHaller> pa_4395: You either need a drive that supports password protection itself (it's usually advertised), or you need to encrypt your drive with something like TrueCrypt (which will then only work on PCs with admin rights).
19:38:09 <JohnTHaller> pa_3292: I just downloaded JooleemPortable_0.1.4.1_English.paf.exe from softlayer and it works just fine. The error you're seeing happens when the installer is either incomplete (didn't all download) or is corrupted (which can be caused by saving it to a bad drive or using it on a PC that is infected with a virus)
19:40:35 <pa_3292> I run avg nightly but it could be a virus. How can I get a new installer?
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19:42:55 <pa_3292> Umm... installer comes with the download , right?m
19:44:05 <JohnTHaller> pa_3292: The download IS the installer. You download it and run it. If it pops up the error, then something happened either on its way to you (bad connection, sometimes flakey wireless) or on your PC (virus, bad drive, bad USB port, etc)
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19:45:31 <pa_6936> help
19:45:31 <GizmoBot> pa_6936: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
19:46:12 <pa_6936> There's a lot of stuff in the portable apps suite that I will never use. I don't see any way to remove them. Is there a way?
19:46:25 <pa_3292> Okay, I think I'll try downloading it directly to the thumb drive and if that doesn't work I'll start looking for a virus or hard drive problem.
19:46:32 <pa_3292> Thanks for your help.
19:46:35 <JohnTHaller> pa_3292: Ok, good luck
19:46:48 <JohnTHaller> pa_6936: yes, you can delete the apps you don't want directly.
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19:47:20 <pa_6936> how do I do that -- can I simply delete the folders?
19:47:22 <JohnTHaller> pa_6936: In the PA.c Platform that comes with the suite, just click Explore and browse to the X:\PortableApps dirtectoryt of your drive. There, delete any apps you don't want. Then in the menu, click options and refresh app icons
19:47:57 <pa_6936> ok, thanks
19:48:05 <JohnTHaller> The current 2.0 Beta allows you to just right-click and uninstall, which is much easier, but it's not a part of the suite yet. It's pretty stable, just not translated into all languages... if you'd like to try it
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19:51:43 <ptmb> JohnTHaller, as it seems to me that the support is done, can I talk to you?
19:51:55 <JohnTHaller> sure, what do you need ptmb
19:52:17 <ptmb> I was thinking of changing my username to my real name or something close to that
19:52:37 <JohnTHaller> Let me PM you
19:52:41 <ptmb> ok
19:53:11 <JohnTHaller> Actually, nevermind :-)
19:53:19 <JohnTHaller> So thinking of... or do you want to?
19:53:41 <ptmb> I really want to, I want to eventually give up this nickname I have, it no longer makes sense to me
19:54:22 <ptmb> the question now is the combination of names
19:54:33 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I just emailed you at your registered address. Reply and I'll take care of it.
19:54:39 <ptmb> ok
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21:09:55 <vicc_pt> hi
21:13:38 <gluxon> Hello :)
21:14:48 <vicc_pt> I am developing a little script in autoit
21:15:08 <gluxon> Sweet, what's it do? :)
21:16:11 <vicc_pt> It shows what's yout OS, your RAM total and availiable, optionally cleans your Recycle Bin, ... etc
21:19:29 <vicc_pt> But it's in Portuguese
21:22:12 <vicc_pt> what about you?
21:25:49 <gluxon> ?
21:26:00 <gluxon> What about me? :P *sticks a fork in mouth*
21:27:49 <vicc_pt> vicc_pt has a reason to smile
21:31:44 <vicc_pt> Well gluxon, I have to go... If you got interested, see the user Vic749 @ Twitter, if you use it.
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21:51:54 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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22:12:02 <JohnTHaller|away> hi SteveLamerton
22:12:08 <SteveLamerton> Hi JohnTHaller|away
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22:12:22 <JohnTHaller> I just got back from CES late last night, sorry I've taken a bit to get back to ya
22:12:55 <SteveLamerton> JohnTHaller: No worries, it is just creeping up on me faster than I expected ;)
22:14:24 <JohnTHaller> yeah, it does that. OSCON and CES both did for me
22:15:15 <JohnTHaller> I can probably get you a small set of drives to give away to prospective partners. Def not enough to just give them away to everybody, though (since they're 9 bucks each)
22:15:58 <SteveLamerton> That sounds great to me, do you want to head into PM?
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22:20:36 <ptmb> Hello JohnTHaller, I've sent an email reply already and I'd like to thank you too for your help
22:22:03 <JohnTHaller> ptmb: Do you want the accent on the e or no? It may be annoying to type it in every time.
22:22:48
22:23:28 <JohnTHaller> Hehe, that showed up as a question mark for me.
22:24:09
22:24:22 <JohnTHaller> Ok. I just changed it. Try logging out and then logging in again
22:24:28 <ptmb> ok
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22:24:49 <ptmb> it worked, thank you JohnTHaller
22:25:20 <JohnTHaller> you're welcome :-)
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22:51:39 <ChrisMorgan> It really is rather nice, only using 700MB of my 2GB of memory rather than 1.8-2GB almost all the time... and Ubuntu is just /so/ much snappier than Vista ever was.
22:51:56 <ChrisMorgan> And the CPU doesn't sit on 30-100% all the time.
22:52:45 <ChrisMorgan> It tends to sit at 10-20% now. And most of that is gnome-system-monitor itself.
22:52:58 <JohnTHaller> Be curious about that vs Win7 on your system
22:53:24 <ChrisMorgan> It would be interesting.
22:55:55 <ChrisMorgan> Windows 7 was still guzzling lots of memory on Dad's computer when it worked.
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23:01:20 <ChrisMorgan> Then the drive started packing up (S.M.A.R.T. controller finally admitted it was "bad"), and the Windows 7 partition died. The Windows 2000 partition remained intact though... so Dad was able to move it over onto a new disk without needing to re-set-everything-up for his WaterSums development.
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