IRC Log from 2010-01-27

00:03:29 <ZachThibeau> KevinPorter I belive would say Hi if he would come into freenode again
00:05:38 <ZachThibeau> in case if you all are wondering I'm talking to him atm on dave's irc server :)
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00:57:03 <gluxon> kai_62656! :)
00:57:10 <kai_62656> hi
00:57:20 <gluxon> pm?
00:59:26 <kai_62656> ok
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01:21:49 <GizmoBot> jwyanze is an amateur app developer a Tester and theme Maker for PA (Portableapps.com)
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03:20:38 <pa_7494> hi there, i'd like to ask a few questions about the portableapps platform, if i may?
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03:21:44 <Chazz> Ask away. =)
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03:22:29 <solisys> What makes a particular application a portableapp that can run in the portableapps platform?
03:23:22 <solisys> Mir
03:24:04 <solisys> tarbo
03:24:24 <solisys> help!
03:24:24 <GizmoBot> solisys: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
03:24:44 <Chazz> solisys, one moment. I'm typing. :)
03:25:48 <Chazz> For it to be /launched/ from the platform, it just needs to be a .exe in <drive root>\PortableApps\folder\yourapphere.exe. For it to actually be a PA.c-approved app, it needs to go through all the stuff talked about here: http://portableapps.com/development
03:26:58 <solisys> OK. I will review the stuff in the /development section then. I am about to develop an app for a cutomer and i'd like it to be a PA. thanks!
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05:14:50 <Tenebrous> Hello.
05:15:26 <Tenebrous> Quick question, if anyone can answer - does this app allow you to create links to any portable program? I couldn't find that in any online help file.
05:15:39 <Tenebrous> Or does it just let you use the ones here?
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05:26:01 <ChrisMorgan> .def addingotherapps
05:26:01 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: Sorry, but I don't know about addingotherapps
05:26:06 <ChrisMorgan> .def addingapps
05:26:06 <GizmoBot> addingapps is about adding applications to the PortableApps.com Menu; read http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps for details.
05:26:16 <ChrisMorgan> Tenebrous: look just below that
05:37:56 <ChrisMorgan> Hey... what happened to Firefox?
05:38:38 <ChrisMorgan> \/That/ must have been why my system suddenly became more responsive.
05:39:37 <Bensawsome> lol
05:42:59 <ChrisMorgan> Well, now I have something to show: http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/
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06:37:32 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 and GEdit Portable! (And Gnumeric Portable) :D
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06:50:08 <JohnTHaller> Ok, 1.6 Beta 1 is posted for testing. Yes, really: http://portableapps.com/node/22341
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06:54:52 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 and GEdit Portable! (And Gnumeric Portable) :D
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06:56:32 <pa_2410> Ah how convienient
06:56:35 <pa_2410> Anyone on?
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07:35:39 <JohnTHaller> Anyone grab 1.6 B 1 yet?
07:38:50 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, so you /did/ get in contact with the USB Disk Ejector guy :-)
07:38:53 <ChrisMorgan> That's good to see.
07:38:58 <ChrisMorgan> I expect it will crash it on Wine.
07:39:02 <JohnTHaller> Prob
07:39:03 <ChrisMorgan> Not that that will matter :P
07:39:24 <JohnTHaller> Actually, he got it up on google code and got it all properly licensed, it seems
07:39:29 <ChrisMorgan> Good
07:39:40 <ChrisMorgan> I did contact him about it, can't remember whether I ever got a response
07:39:41 <JohnTHaller> Try it on Wine and post your results. Maybe I'll disable it on Wine
07:40:25 <ChrisMorgan> `Set portable homepage` is disabled, good.
07:40:40 <ChrisMorgan> Square corners, success
07:40:48 <ChrisMorgan> Window fade out, success
07:41:29 <ChrisMorgan> "Check drive for errors" doesn't crash it, it just doesn't do anything
07:41:37 <ChrisMorgan> I see you've got transparency in too
07:42:17 <JohnTHaller> Ah, I'll disable check drive on Wine, too
07:42:25 <JohnTHaller> try eject and see what happens
07:42:41 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't bother really. It just doesn't do anything. Anyone using Wine should expect it not to work.
07:42:53 <JohnTHaller> Just try it, please :-P
07:42:53 <ChrisMorgan> Eject makes it close, could be crash, could be not, no way of telling.
07:43:02 <JohnTHaller> Ok
07:43:04 <ChrisMorgan> I meant drive check before
07:43:17 <ChrisMorgan> Clicking on the system tray icon is very dodgy though.
07:43:22 <JohnTHaller> It's like 1 additional line to check before doing stuff. Better to not have things enabled that don't work.
07:43:24 <ChrisMorgan> I'll restart it now...
07:43:24 <JohnTHaller> How so?
07:43:36 <JohnTHaller> Dodgy how?
07:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> Clicking on the icon just wasn't doing anything most of the time.
07:44:02 <JohnTHaller> It should show it when hidden. But it doesn't hide it when shown anymore
07:44:56 <ChrisMorgan> Click one: nothing. Click two: tick. Any double clicking and that click fails
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07:45:46 <ChrisMorgan> And double click just messes it up... since double clicking last I haven't been able in a dozen clicks, double clicks and miscellaneous quantities of clicks to get it to show up again :-/
07:46:17 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, got it again. Seems like the double click time may just be unusually long with Wine rather than using the native time.
07:46:27 <JohnTHaller> hmm
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07:47:44 <ChrisMorgan> Wine is a bit dodgy all round with tray icons though, I was using KidSafe with it and it was a bit weird at times
07:48:25 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... it used to work alright. I had to rework the icon behavior quite a bit to get the Win7 thing in. Maybe that is causing it.
07:49:57 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly. I'll try 1.5.2 again
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07:50:09 <ChrisMorgan> Right click works fine though
07:50:23 <JohnTHaller> it should. that's unchanged
07:50:38 <SteveLamerton> Hi ChrisMorgan, JohnTHaller, all
07:50:43 <JohnTHaller> hi
07:50:52 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Steve
07:50:57 <JohnTHaller> we're messing with this: http://portableapps.com/node/22341
07:51:17 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: the tray icon in 1.5.2 works fine in Wine.
07:51:23 <ChrisMorgan> Looks like it's your Windows 7 fixes.
07:51:35 <JohnTHaller> well, damn
07:52:20 <ChrisMorgan> SteveLamerton: are you ready to move your Toucan repository?
07:52:40 <ChrisMorgan> John game me the permissions and so I've created and am using http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/
07:53:11 <SteveLamerton> ChrisMorgan: Yep
07:54:09 <ChrisMorgan> Either get John to do the same for you or email me the commands you want me to do.
07:54:36 <SteveLamerton> JohnTHaller: Can you get my permission added?
07:54:39 <ChrisMorgan> I imagine that it'll just be mv portableapps toucan?
07:54:56 <JohnTHaller> steve has shell access already
07:55:39 <SteveLamerton> I do?
07:56:30 <SteveLamerton> ChrisMorgan: Should be
07:56:40 <SteveLamerton> I'll do it shortly
07:58:22 <ChrisMorgan> Ha ha, great, Steve... all this time you've been waiting, and you could do it all the time... :D
07:59:25 <SteveLamerton> Oh well :)
08:00:27 <SteveLamerton> JohnTHaller: When you send out the biz card file any chance you have a higher res copy of the drive from the suite page?
08:00:50 <JohnTHaller> i will
08:01:27 <SteveLamerton> Thanks :)
08:01:34 <SteveLamerton> ChrisMorgan: I am certianly logged in :O
08:01:47 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: See what you mean on Wine. I'll work on it.
08:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> Good
08:02:15 <ChrisMorgan> Another revision hits the launcher repository... hey, I like this.
08:02:31 <ChrisMorgan> I'm actually working on it again now that I can commit to it in a repository.
08:05:44 <SteveLamerton> ChrisMorgan: All done it seems...
08:06:20 <ChrisMorgan> Great :-)
08:06:27 <ChrisMorgan> Then you'll just need to update the binding on your working copy
08:06:34 <ChrisMorgan> Wonder how you do that.
08:07:37 <SteveLamerton> Just done it, easy to edit from TortoiseHG
08:07:47 <ChrisMorgan> Good
08:07:56 <ChrisMorgan> I like using the command line.
08:08:48 <SteveLamerton> ChrisMorgan: I might update the description and contact fields too http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps presumably you are the contact for the launcher?
08:09:38 <ChrisMorgan> SteveLamerton: I thought about it but left it because (a) I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered working out the command to change it and (b) John will also be working on it. I'm the main developer so far though.
08:09:41 <ChrisMorgan> So probably yes please :-)
08:10:41 <SteveLamerton> I'll do it in 20min, be back!
08:10:55 <ChrisMorgan> I'll be off for the night by then
08:11:24 <JohnTHaller> Ditto need sleep
08:11:24 <JohnTHaller> gnight
08:12:30 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight John, I think we've achieved a lot today... on the 27th for me, the 26th for you :P
08:12:39 <JohnTHaller> indeed
08:13:30 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
08:13:43 <ChrisMorgan> One last commit for me and now that's all
08:13:46 <ChrisMorgan> Rebranding complete
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08:24:33 <SteveLamerton> Bye then ChrisMorgan, I'll just set it to 'The universal launcher repository' or something?
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12:55:01 <fcf_user0109> I need help! What do I do if I delete my portableapps backup file?
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19:38:52 <Alcasar> Hi
19:39:03 <Alcasar> i'm having problems with firefox portable
19:40:06 <Alcasar> since 3.5.6 - 3.5.7 when i restart or even sometimes when i close it uses over 95% cpu and still doesn't close in over 5 minutes
19:40:37 <Alcasar> 3.6 did not resolve the problem
19:41:32 <Alcasar> also the portablefirefox process doesn't close after firefox starts evn tough i put WaitForFirefox=false in the ini file
19:44:38 <Alcasar> help!
19:44:38 <GizmoBot> Alcasar: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
19:52:33 <Alcasar> help!
19:52:33 <GizmoBot> Alcasar: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
19:52:38 <kai_62656> hi
19:52:59 <Alcasar> i'm having problems with firefox portable
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19:53:06 <Alcasar> since 3.5.6 - 3.5.7 when i restart or even sometimes when i close it uses over 95% cpu and still doesn't close in over 5 minutes
19:53:07 <kai_62656> since it seems like a Firefox bug, you might want to contact Mozilla
19:53:23 <Alcasar> 3.6 did not resolve the problem
19:53:28 <Alcasar> also the portablefirefox process doesn't close after firefox starts evn tough i put WaitForFirefox=false in the ini file
19:53:30 <kai_62656> yea....
19:53:32 <kai_62656> well
19:53:49 <kai_62656> thats because the firefox.exe and the firefoxportable.exe is a seprate process
19:54:18 <Alcasar> firefoxportable.exe should close once firefox is started
19:54:31 <kai_62656> not really,
19:54:50 <kai_62656> cause after you finish it needs to copy data onto your flash drive
19:54:53 <Alcasar> well that's what it says in the readme the came with the ini file
19:55:04 <kai_62656> hm
19:55:07 <Alcasar> i'm not running localy either
19:55:11 <kai_62656> are the Dev's in here away?
19:55:26 <Alcasar> ok you,r just another user
19:55:32 <kai_62656> yes,
19:55:42 <kai_62656> I use PortableApps but I am not a official developer
19:55:48 <Alcasar> I don't know, tey'r just not talking
19:55:50 <kai_62656> you might want to contact mozilla
19:55:59 <kai_62656> they are probably not here
19:56:20 <kai_62656> try joining the firefox support channel
19:56:30 <kai_62656> since it seems like a firefox bug
19:57:12 <Alcasar> That's what i'm trying to figure out before going to the firefox support channel coz tey'r usualy not much help
19:57:20 <kai_62656> why?
19:57:53 <Alcasar> most of the time i get ignored or vague answers
19:58:02 <SteveLamerton> Alcasar: You would be best off writing a thread on the forum as the developer of Firefox Portable will see it there
19:58:21 <Alcasar> i'v gotten better answers here even about viruses
19:58:32 <Alcasar> well SteveLamerton how about you?
19:59:36 <SteveLamerton> Well as far as I am aware it should close, but as the dev is not here I cannot say for certain
20:01:15 <Alcasar> I know it "should" close i'm wondering why it doesn't and if it could have something to do with my ff closing problem
20:01:52 <Alcasar> also do you know a way to know what ff is doing when it's using over 95% of the cpu?
20:03:23 <SteveLamerton> Sounds like something is pretty badly wrong to me, is it the firefox or firefoxportable that uses the cpu?
20:04:04 <Alcasar> firefox
20:04:20 <SteveLamerton> ave you tried a copy with a new profile?
20:04:23 <SteveLamerton> *Have
20:04:32 <Alcasar> no
20:05:07 <SteveLamerton> Might be worth it, install it into a different directory and see if you have the same problem
20:05:11 <Alcasar> anyways it doesn't always do it
20:06:52 <SteveLamerton> Could still be a profile issue
20:07:30 <Alcasar> well i'll try that
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21:48:24 <Alcasar> help!
21:48:24 <GizmoBot> Alcasar: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
21:49:07 <Alcasar> any devs here?
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21:50:00 <OliverK> depends
21:50:58 <Alcasar> my firefoxportable process doesn't close when ff is oppened
21:51:07 <ChrisMorgan> Alcasar: that's by design
21:51:27 <ChrisMorgan> It's crucial to maintaining portability, as there are tasks which must be done after the closing of Firefox.
21:51:58 <Alcasar> but i put "wait for firefox=false" in the ini file
21:52:09 <ChrisMorgan> That's not a good idea.
21:52:20 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not sure whether that even works any more. It was never a good idea.
21:52:28 <Alcasar> well then you should correct the read me file that comes with it
21:52:39 <OliverK> everyone's a critic
21:52:39 <ChrisMorgan> And it will definitely be being removed completely in the near future along with many of the other options.
21:53:11 <OliverK> well, yes, it should be updated. Unfortanately, its hard to write a good program and even harder to write good documentation
21:53:18 <Alcasar> but then how is it that when i restart ff firefoxportable "does" close
21:53:42 <Alcasar> right now it's not opened
21:53:50 <ChrisMorgan> It shouldn't. That's probably just something about the way WaitForFirefox works.
21:54:19 <ChrisMorgan> If you want it to be portable, leave the defaults as they are and particularly don't touch ones like WaitForFirefox
21:54:50 <Alcasar> i like portability but i prefer performance
21:55:18 <Alcasar> If there was a way to have it local and yet still save changes i would
21:55:20 <ChrisMorgan> The performance dint will be utterly negligible
21:56:22 <ChrisMorgan> I've been wondering about the possibility of having a modification of Live mode which copies the settings back afterwards. Such a feature may get into the universal Launcher after the first release.
21:57:52 <Alcasar> cool :-)
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23:24:15 <pa_8255> hey can i take other programs with me other than the ones on yalls download page
23:24:45 <pa_8255> like my own personal ones on my computer
23:25:51 <pa_8255> ??????
23:26:09 <pa_8255> any one there
23:27:01 <crazy2be> uh
23:27:08 <crazy2be> they aren't portable
23:28:05 <pa_8255> iws there a way to make some portable
23:28:32 <crazy2be> i beleive there was some work on that
23:28:46 <crazy2be> but it's finicky at best
23:28:53 <pa_8255> wat do u mean
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