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00:48:57 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626 and RSSOwl Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/19271
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03:19:08 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller1
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03:20:24 <JohnTHaller> That's better. Hi all.
03:20:32 <Gizmokid2005> lol, hello JohnTHaller
03:21:10 <JohnTHaller> Site is offline for maintenance for a few hours
03:22:20 <JohnTHaller> This some overdue Drupal db work.
03:22:30 <JohnTHaller> How is everything in here?
03:22:34 <Gizmokid2005> I figured as much :)
03:22:36 <Gizmokid2005> quiet like normal
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03:46:56 <JohnTHaller> And we're back
03:47:11 <JohnTHaller> Pleaqse double-check the site is working properly :-)
03:47:30 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: I've got tracker
03:47:54 <JohnTHaller> I just did some basic quick stuff tonight. Prepping for the big fixes. But didn't want to mess stuff up while I tested it.
03:48:01 <Gizmokid2005> I got forums here.
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03:53:04 <JohnTHaller> yeah, seems like all is well
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04:51:26 <OliverK> night all
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05:16:00 <Brian_S> =DDD
05:16:06 <Brian_S> ZachThibeau!
05:16:13 <Brian_S> hey
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06:04:00 <JohnTHaller> hi all
06:08:37 <sar3th> hi JohnTHaller
06:08:42 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
06:08:53 <sar3th> good, thanks
06:09:07 <JohnTHaller> I'm posting 1.6.1 with your fix tomorrow :-)
06:10:17 <sar3th> cool :)
06:10:38 <sar3th> by the way, do we have a list of known issues for the platform?
06:10:53 <JohnTHaller> don't think so. just in the beta thread. why, you find something?
06:11:22 <sar3th> no
06:11:40 <sar3th> but i would go on "error hunt" if we had such a list ;)
06:11:42 <JohnTHaller> only one I know of post your fix is installation seeming to freeze on vista/win7
06:11:56 <JohnTHaller> which is mentioned in the 20b4 thread
06:12:45 <sar3th> hm okay, maybe i will take a look ath the beta thread then :)
06:12:52 <JohnTHaller> heh ok
06:13:20 <JohnTHaller> btw - can you successfully post a forum thread and a comment at the moment? You can post each and then immediately delete em
06:14:05 <sar3th> i'll check that
06:15:48 <sar3th> comment posting = ok, but i can't delete it
06:15:51 <sar3th> http://portableapps.com/node/22443#comment-141531
06:16:14 <JohnTHaller> hmm... hang on
06:16:41 <Bensawsome> wow sar3th's an admin now o_o
06:16:44 <Bensawsome> err mod
06:17:04 <sar3th> posting and deleting threads works as usual
06:17:09 <JohnTHaller> ah, no you can't, but you can delete your own forum posts. it's a current db bug.
06:17:10 <sar3th> and no ben, i am not ;)
06:17:18 <Bensawsome> lol
06:17:20 <Bensawsome> ok
06:17:25 <JohnTHaller> one of the reasons the site was offline for 30 mins tonight and will be offline tomorrow or tues for longer
06:17:29 <Mir> whew =_=
06:17:36 <Bensawsome> :P
06:17:45 <Bensawsome> aH ok
06:17:45 <sar3th> the database failure you told us before
06:17:54 <sar3th> *previously
06:18:19 <Bensawsome> oh god its almost 1:30
06:18:19 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'm rebuilding bits of it.
06:18:20 <Bensawsome> o_o
06:18:38 <JohnTHaller> alirght. i am off for some game and then bed
06:18:50 <Mir> night
06:18:54 <Bensawsome> lol me too
06:18:55 <Bensawsome> nite
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06:19:48 <sar3th> bye
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06:44:48 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator
06:45:26 <ChrisMorgan> And the question for the day is, do we still support Windows 2000?
06:47:08 <sar3th> i think so
06:47:18 <sar3th> as we still use PAnsiChars
06:51:27 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: the story starts just under eight months ago...
06:52:22 <ChrisMorgan> It starts at http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2009-06-09#T07-31-03 with the main point being at http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2009-06-09#T07-43-37
06:54:52 <sar3th> whoa
06:56:14 <sar3th> lol...did you remind him yet?
06:57:09 <ChrisMorgan> Haven't seen him just yet. And I've got to get confirmation from John that it's supported :-)
06:57:53 <ChrisMorgan> Naturally, I had completely forgotten about it. Ain't Google Calendar (or an equivalent) great.
06:58:26 <sar3th> yeah, reminders are a nice thing
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07:06:14 <taneth111> hi all.
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07:30:03 <taneth111> hiya markomlm
07:30:20 <markomlm> hi taneth111
08:01:14 <sar3th> good morning markomlm
08:01:49 <markomlm> good morning sar3th
08:02:09 <sar3th> how are you?
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12:00:56 <pa_7747> hi, anyone know why my autostart isnbt working?
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12:02:09 <pa_7747> autostart for portableapps isnt working on memory stick - any ideas anyone?
12:05:27 <pa_7747> anyone?
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18:15:52 <ZachThibeau> howdy markomlm
18:16:21 <markomlm> howdy ZachThibeau
18:16:55 <ZachThibeau> how's things been for you? it's been a little while since I last seen you online here
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19:59:22 <SteveLamerton> Hello Gizmokid2005, ZachThibeau, all
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20:05:24 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton
20:07:08 <qwertymodo> hey Gizmokid2005, are you going to do a beta release of Songbird 1.5?
20:07:35 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, when it finally goes beta
20:08:40 <qwertymodo> isn't it already?
20:10:47 <Gizmokid2005> not that I'm aware of
20:11:14 <qwertymodo> http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Release_Notes/1.5.0b1
20:11:50 <qwertymodo> there's a download link on the page
20:12:31 <qwertymodo> so they've released something :)
20:12:38 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm
20:12:39 <Gizmokid2005> maybe
20:12:44 <Gizmokid2005> I still haven't seen anything in my feeds/etc
20:13:32 <qwertymodo> ok, well good to hear you'll be working on it
20:13:49 <SteveLamerton> Not it their blog, I would guess that is actualy a pre-beta
20:13:52 <SteveLamerton> *in
20:14:40 <qwertymodo> can't wait for video support (even though it won't be fully implemented until 1.6), then I can ditch itunes entirely :)
20:21:35 <Gizmokid2005> SteveLamerton: yep.
20:22:15 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: as long as you don't have an apple device
20:22:16 <Gizmokid2005> qwertymodo: once it hits their blog I'll probably do a build of it.
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20:30:52 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
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20:34:12 <JohnTHaller> hola
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20:36:13 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
20:36:23 <JohnTHaller> how goes it in here today?
20:36:28 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
20:36:38 <SteveLamerton> Hi JohnTHaller
20:36:53 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: not bad, finally stabalized PChat's ssl routines and I think it's ready for public testing :)
20:36:56 <JohnTHaller> hi SteveLamerton. welcome home
20:37:03 <JohnTHaller> nice
20:37:04 <SteveLamerton> Thanks John :)
20:37:10 <JohnTHaller> how did it go?
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20:38:13 <markomlm> Howdy JohnTHaller
20:38:33 <JohnTHaller> hi markomlm
20:38:38 <JohnTHaller> SteveLamerton: So how did it go?
20:38:38 <SteveLamerton> Pretty well I think, didnt get to give much away, lots of big organisations that we already have portable versions of, not easy to find the small developers really, talk went well I think though
20:38:56 <JohnTHaller> How many folks came?
20:39:36 <SteveLamerton> Probably around 80-100
20:39:49 <JohnTHaller> Nice. Good crowd. Folks seem to like it?
20:41:14 <SteveLamerton> Definitely, had a few people come up afterwards to say nice talk, a couple had longer questions. Amusingly the guy who set me up with the mic said how he loved using them at work as his sys admin wouldnt let him install anything, but didnt mind stuff on drives ;)
20:42:02 <JohnTHaller> nice :-) i had a friend that went to see it. friend of mine I met at OSCON who used to work for SourceForge. she said the talk went really well :-)
20:42:15 <SteveLamerton> :D
20:43:20 <SteveLamerton> It is always a little hard to tell as the speaker ;)
20:44:02 <JohnTHaller> You enjoy being the face of PA.c at FOSDEM complete with shirt, drives and business cards? :-)
20:44:54 <SteveLamerton> Definitely, I would do it again, maybe we could organise a stand next year, hmmmm.....
20:45:09 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that'd be cool. I'm trying to figure out what to do with OSCON this year.
20:45:28 <ZachThibeau> man I would love to go to something like that, not much here in Atlantic Canada :/
20:46:16 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: I know how you feel...there isn't anything around here either.
20:46:18 <SteveLamerton> Just got to organise early I guess
20:48:08 <ZachThibeau> true
20:48:20 <SteveLamerton> Most places were selling drives, could definitely do that :)
20:48:50 <markomlm> JohnTHaller:Any ideas for the missing environment variables in Beta 4?
20:48:58 <SteveLamerton> Make some profit ;)
20:49:06 <ZachThibeau> lol
20:49:50 <ZachThibeau> I think I'm pretty much the only person (as far as I know anyways) that has an XChat fork thats compiled totally with MinGW still
20:50:01 <markomlm> JohnTHaller:The new OOoPBuilt environment is ready ;-)
20:51:03 <JohnTHaller> SteveLamerton: Yeah, we could sell drives I spose. I know that's against the spirit of OSCON. THought it would be at FOSDEM, too.
20:51:25 <JohnTHaller> markomlm: I'm gonna get the PortableApps.comDOcuments variable in 1.6.1 and 2.0b5
20:51:45 <SteveLamerton> JohnTHaller: Most stands were doing it, no-one minded :)
20:51:49 <JohnTHaller> markomlm: On the temp variable... what were we gonna use the PA.cTemp for? I'm thinking of having the platform take over temp anyway
20:52:54 <markomlm> I think every pafed App and OOoP too should use the PA.cTemp
20:53:24 <JohnTHaller> No, I mean I think I'm just gonna have the platform set the TEMP variable to its own directory and we'll use that in all apps automatically. No need to specially code it.
20:54:35 <JohnTHaller> 1. Platform starts up and sets its env var internally changing %TEMP% from the actual temp directory to %TEMP%\PA.c 2. When apps launch, they save to temp, but it's actually our own temp 3. On exit, we clean that %TEMP%\PA.c directory out. Normal apps will be unaffacted. Apps not launched from the platform will be unaffected.
20:54:50 <JohnTHaller> I can set PA.cTEMP to it as well for backwards compatiblity witrh the existing OO.oP launcher
20:55:32 <markomlm> Thats what I want and was the intention for using the env variables in OOoP
20:55:57 <JohnTHaller> You can ignore it in future OOoP builds. Since PA.cTemp will be the exact same thing as %TEMP%
20:56:40 <JohnTHaller> There's no need for it, since when apps are launched from the platform, %TEMP% will actually be %TEMP%\PA.c (unbeknownst to them)
20:57:24 <JohnTHaller> Oh, I posted an article about the blocking of Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria: http://portableapps.com/node/22511
21:04:15 <markomlm> JohnTHaller:OK
21:05:40 <JohnTHaller> Technically it'll be %TEMP%\PortableApps.comX where X is the current drive letter. That allows for multiple drives with platforms running at the same time.
21:08:21 <markomlm> But in this case a pafed App outside the suite will use the default temp ...
21:08:58 <JohnTHaller> Yup. WHich is what the launcher was going to do on PA.cTemp existing vs not. So now, no additional work needs doing by the launchers.
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21:11:23 <markomlm> Accept the OOoP Launcher! It will use the temp or docu path only if it exist and as default a path within the own directory
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21:11:59 <JohnTHaller> Well, %TEMP% kinda has to exist.
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21:12:09 <markomlm> :-)
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21:14:44 <ZachThibeau> PChat Portable Dev Test 2 is now out http://portableapps.com/node/22485
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21:20:30 <JohnTHaller> So it seems the finally switched the license on the Tango icon set when I wasn't looking
21:21:42 <Gizmokid2005> hahah JohnTHaller, going to switch to it now?
21:22:13 <JohnTHaller> Nope. We like Oxygen. Seems like Tango isn't really having any more work put into it. We'll probably use them to supplement Oxygen, though
21:22:32 <Bensawsome> lol
21:22:36 <Bensawsome> i love the names they give em
21:22:46 * markomlm needs some sleep
21:22:56 * Bensawsome waves good nite to markomlm
21:24:58 * SteveLamerton was thinking of updating a lot of the Toucan icons with ones from Oxygen, he is also doing a blitz of the Toucan questions which he has gotten behind on :(
21:25:39 <JohnTHaller> gnight markomlm
21:26:31 <markomlm> JohnTHaller: thx. Send me a ping if help is needed, I'll try to finish up the next OOoP version soon
21:27:21 <markomlm> bye
21:27:27 <markomlm> :-)
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21:48:38 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: you could give out drives and ask for donations ;)
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21:50:53 <joses> hi
21:51:14 <joses> there is someone here?
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21:52:18 <JohnTHaller> how can we hlp
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22:00:02 <Oni-Neoxes> Sorry about the Relogging all the time guys, Just testing PChat.
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22:33:34 <bg_temp> Can somebody please point to some reading about portable app security. I travel a lot and want to ensure I leave no trace in internet cafes, etc..
22:36:54 <JohnTHaller> The apps themselves leave nothing behind on the local PC
22:37:35 <JohnTHaller> But everything you do on the network can be tracked by the cafe. And the cafe's computer itself can have spyware on it. It comes down to trusting the establishment. You can scan it using ClamWin Portable. And CCleaner.
22:37:41 <JohnTHaller> I mean Spybot, sorry
22:40:17 <qwertymodo> hey JohnTHaller, was there ever a decision made regarding Audacity 1.3? I haven't been around much...
22:40:45 <bg_temp> thank you...is this different than a "virtual pc"? Does it just use the PC's hardware?
22:40:57 <JohnTHaller> Gonna do it at some point. But it needs a new launcher. It won't be in the updater and stable is recommended over the beta because it's stable, not a beta.
22:41:22 <JohnTHaller> bg_temp: Yes, this is not a virtual PC. Virtual PCs won't usually work on net cafe machines, though.
22:41:37 <qwertymodo> Thanks John, that's pretty much what I figured
22:42:25 <bg_temp> thanks for your help!
22:43:06 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing, bg_temp
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22:44:54 <pa_7556> lets do more good apps
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23:47:10 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
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