IRC Log from 2010-02-10

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00:05:17 <ChrisMorgan> Feiygn
00:05:35 <ChrisMorgan> Or perhappes I should saye fiygne
00:09:09 * ChrisMorgan watches the megabytes tick away on the 2.8GB of Windows Server 2008 R2... and it's achieving a flat 10 Mbps which is good.
00:09:30 <ChrisMorgan> That should help me with developing/testing the Launcher in particular.
00:11:09 <ChrisMorgan> And you know, dreamspark.com wasn't working in Chrome. Unknown error. So I had to run Firefox again...
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00:45:28 <ve4jhj> ChrisMorgan: I see there's a ScribusPortable sample launcher file in the current release of the PAL, and I'm wondering if I can use it in my portablization of Scribus
00:46:29 <ChrisMorgan> ve4jhj: please do. It should handle all data, but I haven't actually tested it. There may be extra Qt registry keys though which are fairly messy.
00:46:36 <ChrisMorgan> Try it though.
00:46:45 <ve4jhj> Ok, thanks. I'll give it a try.
00:46:53 <ChrisMorgan> I just did it having taken a look at Ryan's earlier launcher.
00:47:11 <ChrisMorgan> I had been going to do it myself but gave up in disgust as it was so trivially easy to crash Scribus in Vista.
00:47:28 <ChrisMorgan> Vista support is meant to be better now (a year or so later).
00:47:43 <ChrisMorgan> But then, it wasn't at all supported well.
00:48:40 <ve4jhj> K. That's what I'm starting basing my attempt off of anyhow. (Ryan's launcher). I thought of doing up the Scribus test version as well, but figured I'd start off with supported version first. I guess we'll see if Vista support is any better...I sure hope so.
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00:49:45 <ChrisMorgan> You should be able to stick PortableApps.comLauncher.exe in and ScribusPortable.ini as launcher.ini and have it work straight off.
00:50:22 <ve4jhj> Strangely enough, I don't see any Qt registry keys in my regshot...
00:50:25 <ve4jhj> sweet!
00:53:31 <ChrisMorgan> Good. I wasn't sure whether it created them or not.
00:53:46 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, and rename PortableApps.comLauncher.exe as ScribusPortable.exe
00:54:08 <ChrisMorgan> And the DT splash screen will be App\AppInfo\splash.jpg of course
00:54:11 <ve4jhj> That's what I figured...I think you mentioned that in some post or other on Pa.c
00:54:13 <ve4jhj> of course
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00:56:12 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, I did note it but for Pre-Alpha 1 it wasn't the case so I'm just making sure you caught up with the fact that it's back to being renamed.
00:56:36 <ve4jhj> Thanks for the heads-up.
00:57:10 <ChrisMorgan> There, Windows Server 2008 R2 downloaded. Now I really should shrink my remaining Windows partition and expand the Ubuntu one...
00:57:51 <ChrisMorgan> Then maybe I'll be able to test services on a kleen masheen some time.
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01:12:10 <alpha1beta> hello all
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01:12:24 <ve4jhj> hello alpha1beta
01:13:05 <alpha1beta> sup
01:18:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hey alpha1beta, haven't seen you here for rather a long time
01:18:57 <alpha1beta> your telling me
01:19:04 <ChrisMorgan> True, I am.
01:19:18 <alpha1beta> I only stopped in cause I was in roundcube irc
01:19:38 <alpha1beta> begging for help, as usual :P
01:20:00 <ve4jhj> Ok, all, I have to leave for work. Later!
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02:29:36 <pa_0772> hi
02:30:57 <pa_0772> i would like to know how i can add folder(s) to the main menu
02:31:04 <pa_0772> can anyone help me out?
02:31:37 <ZachThibeau> if you mean categories, thats not slated till 2.0 final last I heard
02:32:11 <pa_0772> categories? like...music, pictures?
02:32:35 <ZachThibeau> ahh if you mean that then you can't change it, that part is hard coded
02:33:00 <ZachThibeau> iirc there was talk about implimenting that but nothing has happened as of yet
02:33:05 <pa_0772> ic...it will be nice if i could've change them
02:33:17 <pa_0772> ic
02:33:33 <pa_0772> thank you for information
02:33:35 <ChrisMorgan> Do you mean putting different things on the right hand side of the Platform?
02:33:43 <pa_0772> yeah
02:34:14 <pa_0772> I want to put some other folders around the right hand side of the platform
02:34:19 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, you can't do that at the moment. And with theming coming in, it's going to be very difficult to implement properly. Most likely it won't happen for a loooong time.
02:34:44 <pa_0772> ok...
02:35:11 <pa_0772> maybe i should remove my folders to document folder
02:35:27 <ChrisMorgan> That's probably the easiest way of doing it.
02:35:36 <pa_0772> might make it easier to access them
02:35:42 <pa_0772> alright
02:35:48 <ChrisMorgan> The ability to rename and change the location to the buttons is coming soon though.
02:35:50 <ChrisMorgan> Just not adding more.
02:36:07 <pa_0772> thank you both
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03:27:56 <Meeda> hello
03:28:06 <rcmaehl> hi
03:28:31 <Meeda> I want to downoad yahoo messenger
03:28:42 <rcmaehl> for?
03:28:47 <Gizmokid2005> Meeda: there is no portable official yahoo messenger
03:28:51 <Gizmokid2005> you can download Pidgin or Miranda
03:28:53 <Gizmokid2005> which both support Yahoo
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03:29:40 <Meeda> hello
03:29:50 <Meeda> are you with me?
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03:31:31 <Meeda_> hello
03:31:52 <gluxon> Hello :)
03:32:04 <gluxon> Looking for help?
03:32:11 <Meeda_> yes
03:32:39 <Meeda_> I want to download yahoo messenger for your program
03:32:40 <gluxon> What's the problem? :)
03:32:56 <Meeda_> I want to download yahoo messenger for your program?
03:33:07 <Meeda_> where I can find?
03:33:22 <Meeda_> you don't have
03:33:29 <gluxon> Ah. Sorry, but Yahoo Messenger isn't Open Source :'(
03:33:35 <Meeda_> in your web site
03:33:51 <Meeda_> what do you mean?
03:33:52 <gluxon> Thus, there's a low chance it'll be portable
03:34:06 <Meeda_> how much
03:34:52 <gluxon> But I know a better program that can do everything Yahoo Messenger can, and more :)
03:35:26 <Meeda_> what is the name of it?
03:35:33 <gluxon> Pidgin Portable :D
03:35:50 <Meeda_> I tried it was Bad
03:36:04 <gluxon> Why?
03:36:15 <gluxon> What was wrong with it?
03:36:28 <Meeda_> I can't talk and see my friends
03:36:32 <gluxon> Ah.
03:36:58 <gluxon> I don't think you set it up right :'(
03:37:17 <Meeda_> No I did
03:37:20 <gluxon> Should I help you set it up for Yahoo? Step by step? :D
03:37:38 <gluxon> Then your buddies should have came up.
03:37:39 <Meeda_> I can't see the list of my contacts
03:37:48 <gluxon> Or Contacts.
03:38:07 <Meeda_> The both
03:38:26 <Meeda_> can I work with you?
03:38:35 <gluxon> Okay. :)
03:39:00 <gluxon> Download Pidgin Portable again :)
03:39:22 <Meeda_> ok wait please
03:39:40 <gluxon> :)
03:40:44 <gluxon> Pidgin is awesome, it supports almost every social network. Gmail, Facebook, AIM, MSN Live, Yahhoo, etc.
03:43:25 <gluxon> So it's like AIM + Google Talk+ Yahoo Messenger in one package :D
03:43:46 <ChrisMorgan> However, audio and video chat aren't supported by Pidgin or Miranda.
03:44:11 <gluxon> Yeah, that's the only defect :(
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03:52:32 <gluxon> brb.
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03:57:37 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
03:57:56 <ChrisMorgan> Ditto to you
03:59:41 <ZachThibeau> whats up
04:01:50
04:12:11 <ChrisMorgan> Currently trying to work my mind around the Monash Uni unit allocation system
04:18:07 <ZachThibeau> sounds easier than what I'm trying to do :/
04:20:09 <ZachThibeau> I'm trying to get minigtk setup to compile to be included with PChat but it's complaining about a lot of errors and missing headers :/ and no guide (as zed doesn't like to provide that information) and no one has done it for a while
04:26:05 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: sorry, I think this is harder.
04:26:43 <ZachThibeau> at this time, my brain is fried so it's hard either way
04:28:28 <ChrisMorgan> Allocate+'s sessions expire at an extremely alarming rate... and "Dont worry, no data is lost becaus of this." (sic*2)... well, what about that form I just submitted? Where's that data gone?
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05:11:17 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh* finally done.
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05:50:38 <ChrisMorgan> Working set! That was part of it!
05:50:46 <ChrisMorgan> FreeWorkingSet or something like that...
05:51:32 <ChrisMorgan> *YEESSSS*!!
05:51:35 <ChrisMorgan> I found it :-)
05:51:37 <ChrisMorgan> EmptyWorkingSet.
05:51:40 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/22009.
05:52:15 <ChrisMorgan> Now I can see if I can reduce memory usage.
05:53:21 <computerfreaker_> ChrisMorgan: I use a couple of "memory-freeing" apps that claim to use EmptyWorkingSet; I've never seen much of an improvement (there's generally a big RAM spike, then it drops to below the normal, then it returns to normal - all in about 30-60 seconds)
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05:54:13 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: DTaskManager has such a function. I found it useful at times. The point with this though is that nothing is happening while the launcher waits - so why should it use 10MB of memory?
05:54:52 <computerfreaker> Valid point, I just thought I'd let you know what my own experiences with EmptyWorkingSet have been
05:55:18 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
05:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> Would you like to test it for me, having a real Windows machine?
05:55:40 <computerfreaker> be happy to :)
05:57:03 <ChrisMorgan> Have you got the latest hg revision?
05:57:14 <computerfreaker> no
05:57:52 <ChrisMorgan> It's probably a good idea so you can test out all the goodies in it :-)
05:58:13 <ChrisMorgan> However, I don't think I'll do this EmptyWorkingSet in ProcFunc.nsh. Too messy there.
05:58:17 <computerfreaker> tbh, I don't even have a SVN client installed; I've been trying to work through the SVN instructions that come with TortoiseHG before installing
05:59:19 <ChrisMorgan> hg != svn
05:59:44 <computerfreaker> oh wait, I meant VCS
05:59:53 * computerfreaker finds VCS somewhat confusing
06:00:26 <ChrisMorgan> If you've got Mercurial, create a directory and "hg clone http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/". If you're using TortoiseHg, create a directory and right click on it and TortoiseHg->Clone http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/
06:00:40 <computerfreaker> ok, thanks for the instructions
06:01:08 <computerfreaker> I can't do that immediately, because I've got to run (something I forgot to do about 6 hours ago), but I'll do it later today
06:01:18 <ChrisMorgan> OK
06:01:31 <ChrisMorgan> I'll see if I can get EmptyWorkingSet working then
06:01:31 <computerfreaker> bye, see you later!
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06:13:07 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm...
06:14:07 <ChrisMorgan> There must be an easier way to find your own PID.
06:14:55 <ChrisMorgan> Typical. There is.
06:15:24 <ChrisMorgan> kernel32::GetCurrentProcess should do
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06:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> And so the following two lines should work:
06:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> System::Call 'kernel32::GetCurrentProcess()i.s'
06:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> System::Call 'psapi::EmptyWorkingSet(is)'
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06:53:03 <pa_2379> Hey anyone here familiar with PortableSkype?
06:54:00 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2379: what's your issue with it?
06:54:09 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not, but I might be able to help nonetheless.
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07:55:22 <JohnTHaller> hola
07:55:25 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller.
07:55:30 <ChrisMorgan> You should be asleep, I'm sure.
07:55:36 <JohnTHaller> Yup
07:55:57 <ChrisMorgan> Did you get my PM about the Russian site?
07:56:08 <ChrisMorgan> Any news about that?
07:56:27 <JohnTHaller> They only translated that bit on the current Ru homepage
07:56:40 <ChrisMorgan> OK. I misunderstood then.
07:56:57 <JohnTHaller> We can't do anything until I fix the friggin database anyway
07:57:07 <ChrisMorgan> I'm most of the way through my separation of the segments in the PortableApps.com Launcher into separate files. I'm hoping it will help as things are then grouped by action rather than chronological execution order.
07:57:13 <ChrisMorgan> What's wrong with the DB now?
07:57:38 <JohnTHaller> Same thing that's been wrong with it for over a year. Bad Drupal upgrade. No easy fix. Must manually rebuild it into a clean Drupal install.
07:57:49 <ChrisMorgan> EEK!
07:58:00 <ChrisMorgan> That /really/ sounds bad.
07:58:27 <JohnTHaller> It works ok, but it messes with a few extensions. Like the newsletter. And translations, I think.
07:59:52 <ChrisMorgan> Wonder how we'll go with Drupal 7.
08:01:26 <JohnTHaller> I have to do the DB fix first. No more upgrading until then. I did about 20% of it on Sunday when I took the site offline for 30 minutes.
08:01:27 <ChrisMorgan> I've also finally found that forum thread I had lost again... EmptyWorkingSet. I can't test it properly on Wine without difficulty but I'm expecting it should reduce memory usage while the launcher is waiting for the application from about 10MB to 100KB or so.
08:01:42 <JohnTHaller> Why is the launcher so big btw?
08:01:50 <ChrisMorgan> How big is it now?
08:02:02 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... 120KB.
08:02:03 <JohnTHaller> Someone said it was like 350KB, which is huge compared to our normal launchers
08:02:09 <ChrisMorgan> No, 120KB.
08:02:11 <JohnTHaller> Odd
08:02:40 <ChrisMorgan> 350KB sounds like almost the right size (should be a bit closer to 400KB) for an AutoHotkey executable
08:03:43 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, I have to go now. Bye.
08:03:48 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Must be thinking of something else
08:03:50 <JohnTHaller> gnight man
08:08:01 <JohnTHaller> Private Browsing update: http://portableapps.com/node/22520
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08:08:14 <JohnTHaller> And secondary profile support for Firefox Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/22519
08:10:42 <sar3th> 2x nice :D
08:11:17 <JohnTHaller> That was my 'take a break from the platform' coding for the day
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08:12:00 <sar3th> very productive break :)
08:24:10 <JohnTHaller> and sleep. gnight all
08:26:43 <sar3th> good night JohnTHaller
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15:02:51 <GizmoBot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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15:47:09 <JohnTHaller> hola
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15:47:19 <Bensawsome> yo JohnTHaller
15:47:22 <Bensawsome> wazzuuuuup
15:47:28 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
15:47:33 <Bensawsome> pretty good
15:47:40 <Bensawsome> getting ready for vacation and mai new car <3
15:47:46 <Bensawsome> should be epic
15:47:47 <JohnTHaller> You try 2nd profile for FFP or private browsing yet? :-P
15:47:50 <JohnTHaller> ah nice
15:47:55 <Bensawsome> lol
15:47:57 <Bensawsome> nope sorry
15:48:16 <Bensawsome> unfortunately i dont use portableapps much anymore cause i got my beast of a laptop
15:48:29 <Bensawsome> but if im stuck somewhere i always have my portable hdd
15:48:53 <Bensawsome> hows it goin with you?
15:49:32 <JohnTHaller> busy busy as usual
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18:08:02 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
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18:37:50 <rbrt13> hello
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18:42:09 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
18:45:48 <SergentSiler> ZachThibeau, poke
18:45:56 <ZachThibeau> yes SergentSiler
18:46:02 <SergentSiler> ur not in my chan D:
18:47:10 <ZachThibeau> I'm not on my znc, I'm stuck on a computer with out ssh access so I can't restart it xD
18:47:41 <SergentSiler> D:
18:54:06 <ZachThibeau> but this gives me an opportunity to test PChat on another computer though :)
18:54:14 <ZachThibeau> and it works rather well
18:54:33 <SergentSiler> cool beans :P
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19:13:06 <pa_4308> does portable apps have an FTP site?
19:13:12 <Gizmokid2005> no
19:13:20 <pa_4308> bummer
19:13:26 <pa_4308> and thanks
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19:16:12 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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20:22:59 <gluxon> O.M.G!!!! :D
20:23:05 <gluxon> I got theming into eXpresso! :D
20:23:52 <ve4jhj> If anyone's testing Scribus, please DO NOT download the Dev. Test 2 i currently have up: it's corrupted, and I'm replacing it now.
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20:40:26 <ve4jhj> Scribus Portable Dev. Test 2 uploaded :)
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20:46:44 <Gizmokid2005> .twitter Gizmokid2005
20:46:44 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005: Well, it took them long enough, but FB FINALLY integrated FB Chat with XMPP protocol standards! YAY!!! http://tr.im/NEBl #fb -- http://twitter.com/Gizmokid2005/status/8918121203
20:46:52 <Gizmokid2005> just for those that care ^^
20:47:09 <Gizmokid2005> now I can get it working on pidgin and get rid of that awful Facebook Pidgin Plugin.
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21:12:33 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
21:12:42 <JohnTHaller> How goes it
21:13:11 <ZachThibeau> pretty well
21:13:48 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller, hear about FB?
21:14:03 <ZachThibeau> considering on implimenting sasl in PChat, already have a couple of requests from some people to impliment it
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21:14:26 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: Gizmokid2005: Well, it took them long enough, but FB FINALLY integrated FB Chat with XMPP protocol standards! YAY!!! http://tr.im/NEBl #fb -- http://twitter.com/Gizmokid2005/status/8918121203
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21:14:32 <Everest> hello, I have a question
21:15:09 <Everest> can any1 help, please..
21:15:23 <ve4jhj> How can we help you, Everest?
21:15:44 <Everest> is there an IRC client (portable) ?
21:16:01 <ZachThibeau> why yes
21:16:19 <ZachThibeau> there is 1 in testing and there is another in Pre-release I'll link you if you want
21:16:35 <Everest> yes please
21:17:00 <Everest> or, what is the easiest/best/safest way to connect to an IRC channel ?
21:17:24 <Everest> can I use this interface to connect to another channel? [external]
21:17:52 <ZachThibeau> here is PChat Portable which is the one in testing http://portableapps.com/node/22485 and XChat Portable http://portableapps.com/node/15971 which is in Pre-Release
21:18:32 <Everest> which is more stable / better ?
21:18:51 <Everest> what do you recommend
21:19:21 <JohnTHaller> Well, XChat portable won't be used going forward, PChat is a rebranded version of it that will be getting an official release.
21:19:38 <ZachThibeau> well said :D
21:20:02 <JohnTHaller> Personally, I use Pidgin for IRC, but I'm not a power IRC user.
21:21:27 <Everest> is there a Pidgin portable? or is it a Chrome Extension ?
21:21:53 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/pidgin_portable
21:21:54 <Everest> I do have Chrome and FF, I may use an Extension if available :)
21:22:24 <JohnTHaller> I configure it to use this IRC channel by doing this: http://portableapps.com/support/chat#pidgin
21:22:46 <JohnTHaller> It shows up as another chat tab with a list of folks in the room. I like having it all together like that.
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21:24:09 <ZachThibeau> later all Supper Time
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21:25:45 <rbrt13> hello
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21:26:18 <JohnTHaller> hi
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22:02:52 <ZachThibeau> back y'all
22:04:27 <JohnTHaller> wb
22:04:49 <ZachThibeau> thanks
22:07:51 <ZachThibeau> kind of discouraging that I haven't recieved much feed back on PChat as a client from users on the forum :/
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22:35:08 <ve4jhj> does anybody know how to mark a file as eprecated on sourceforge?
22:35:13 <ve4jhj> *deprecated
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23:26:17 <JohnTHaller> Multiple Profile support for Firefox Portable, Thunderbird Portable and Sunbird Portable: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-01-21_-_multiple_profiles_for_mozilla_firefox_et_al
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